+Mike R So... did Violator just break the fourth wall? Is he aware of being fictional and knows we're watching?... OH FUCK! Violator knows we're watching!
3:31 1) Why would violator kill him with a gun whens a demon monster who has so many other ways he could do it lol 2) I'm mad that the sick fuck child killer gets off that easy, in the comics Spawn tortured his fat ass before killing him.
***** he hangs him up by chains and its implied that he stabbed him a bunch and he left a message on his body. "Boys screamed and girls screamed so i made him scream....and scream....and scream" and it really was worth it to see the sick fuck get it
And I thought his "telepathic voice" was chilling enough... Goodness gracious, he's even MORE creepy when talking with his mouth! _"ThIs AiN't oVeR, SpAWn... _*_You made a FFFFFFUCKING deal._** Mmhuhohahahahahaha...!"*
Well, He is a half breed demon. After all lol. I belive his breif orgin explination is... His mother was human his father was a demon summoned by a perist or somthing along those lines! Anyways his human mother was an offering to his father whom was a murderous pure blood demon who took joy killing and had a high sex drive in a nut shell basically he Proceeds to kill the priest and rape the woman which ended up getting her pregnate and eventually giving birth to Violator the child birth killed her. After that through the years. His Father then proceeded to rape 3 more women for fun.Which resulted in all three of them getting pregnate. And the same happend They all died giving birth as well just like Violators mother. To him and his brother. He's the oldest strongest of 4 brothers. Time skipping ahead. His brother though often blamed their failures or any problem that arised in the family on him.and their father would.always.punish him even though nothing was.his fault. Eventually he snapped one day and brutally killed their father malbogha saw this and satated this one of the most vial and brutal.actsmof violencenhenhad witness and made himmthe watcher of spawns. Violator is responsible for.some.of human historys legends (for example he is what people called dragon). Thesis I guess because he and his brothers are half demons that somehow gave them better abilities as demons in general or else.their.father would have survived cause the violator brothers practically close to unkillable.
2:30 Gonna be real, most normal people wouldn't spare a child predator that was in the process of taking a kid right in front of them. It took an inhuman amount of willpower for Spawn to not to just kill Billy on the spot.
You have to understand spawns fucked up mind. There was plenty of times innocent people died from him standing by he is far from a "normal" thinking mentality.
I love how the violator is completely honest about what he is during 1:01 through. And the looks he gives billy like he kinda disappointed or something when he asks if he likes kids n replies that he loves kids cuz he's a clown. Comical yet twisted. Not saying violator is good but in a sense represents the cruelty that should be apposed
@@higaiwokeru he’s actually one of five I’m pretty sure and he just wants to bring mayhem and chaos into the world and to make spawn play by his and his bosses script because spawn is like a portal for souls and the more he kills the more he sends to hell to become warriors of hell some being just as powerful as him but violator has one job just to make sure spawn brings hell to earth so they can win
kincaid is merely Clown's/Violator's ploy just to get spawn to kill. Doing so would have made Kincaid a hellspawn. I kinda wanted him dead to begin with, but clown shot him instead. Bitter sweet but spawn should have killed him. Lot gorier in the comics. Massacred his ass. "So I made him scream and scream and scream." Mcfarlane really nailed the art in the comics.
Batman *WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING WHERE IS HE WHERE'S THE JOKER WHERE'S HARVEY WHERE ARE THEY WHERE'S RACHEL WHERE'S THE TRIGGER WHERE IS IT YOU'D NEVER GIVE IT TO AN ORDINARY CITIZEN WHERE'S YOUR TRIGGER WHERE'S THAT TRIGGER WHERE* Spawn *WHERE ARE YOU*
I love the way Billy goes from visible confusion to maliciousness the very second Violator mentions kids and makes it obvious what he's there for. Bro has his act DOWN
I still find it crazy that clown killed his father because the father favored the other brothers of clown over him . But clown and his brothers share all their father’s traits if not worse than their father .
I love Violator's laugh much more than any Joker's, its not as much as a psychopath who enjoys watching the world burn after set it on fire, it's more like a demon in the shadow who's mocking how small and pathetic humanity is
@darkfullgor 0_0 thanks and I hope mcFarlane keeps his word I'm really excited for it because spawn is one of my full time favorite comic book character in my top 5
@darkfullgor 0_0 Whoa, really? Is there an article or something where I can get the details? I want to see this for myself. Thank you for telling me this man
Not really. Joker tries to corrupt Batman. Spawn is already corrupt. It's just that this guy is forcing him to to his job and kill for Malborgias (I forget how to spell it). It means torturing him in dreams or quietly taunting him to do his bidding. Think of him as not only Joker, but Bueno Excellente and Mr. Burns all in the body of a literal demon. If he and Joker collided, this guy would murder and eat him until he barfs from the gas Joker lets out. Unlike anything else, the true Joker Toxin will just give him food poisoning.
@@ghostfacegrillah7891 Nah, voice isn't right. Devito's vocals are too deep, even when he tries a higher pitch. What makes this... clown so twisted is how light and smooth his voice is when his lines deliver, going raspy and vicious in a moment's notice.
They coulda drawn that a little better. Violator isn't that tiny. It makes him look like a little imp instead of a giant demon. He looks alot better in other parts ... I mean all I can see is his mouth and stick arms
No. The Demon form is made to look twisted and evil. The clown form is twisted and evil, in what should be a normal man... And it's scarier because the clown could be real...
4:00 Its a shame, aside from the telepathy speaking, this is the only time we see Violator speak in his true form. Incredibly menacing sounding. Wish we could've gotten more.
Violator in cartoon and Comics: let's make him an imposing force with actual power over Spawn. Violator in movies: LET'S MAKE HIM AS ANNOYING POSSIBLE!!
@@mvader7188I watched some of the movie until I noticed something about a particular scene was about to happen so I stopped watching it altogether before I would risk getting scarred for life as I don't swing that way.
I'm trying to answer this intelligently, I believe the reason his human form is a clown because typically clowns are fun, friendly and nice and Todd McFarlane wanted to show that even something so "great" (in the eyes of some people) can be nothing but pure evil. I guess... Or maybe Todd McFarlane just liked clowns. Either way Clown is badass.
Gothivore yeah maybe that's only in the animated series version. Or maybe you're right. I don't know. All I know is that he does actually say that in this animated series.
Violator was pretty upset in that scene so it's probably just done to casually show Violator was too upset to fuck with Spawn and was a couple of seconds away from attacking him but didn't because he knew full well he won't do anything because it would go against Maelbolgia's interests
I love the chemistry between Spawn and the Violator in this show, they have the best passive-aggressive and full-on aggressive banter of all time.
Char baby
@@cornholio8411thank you for saying that
"You like kids billy?" Yea"Hehehehahe me too but am a clown Am supposed too." DAMN!!
Michael Jackson yeesssssssss
Michael Jackson I have a feeling that he can make you fall asleep every time he talks softly
Mr. Incredible I agree with you.
Pretty sick -_-
Why are all of your names icon?!!!
I GET IT!!
Violator says it wasn't in the script because in the comic book spawn tortures and kills Kincaid. The cartoon doesn't follow the script!!!!
Mike R cencorship
Mike R *s
+Mike R So... did Violator just break the fourth wall? Is he aware of being fictional and knows we're watching?... OH FUCK! Violator knows we're watching!
Mike R When he whispers he makes me sleepy and he is making me fall asleep.
@@maryjane4827 Censorship? Have you watched this show??
Man, Violator's laugh still gives me chills.
MR.RARE TWINKIE nnhnnhnnhnnhnnheeheeheeheeheehehehehehahahaha
Daniel Cannata Thats exactly It! Right on the dime my man.
His laugh is more infectious than it is scary
It's like a evil sinister chuckle
Screw you pennywise this clown is the real demon.
3:31
1) Why would violator kill him with a gun whens a demon monster who has so many other ways he could do it lol
2) I'm mad that the sick fuck child killer gets off that easy, in the comics Spawn tortured his fat ass before killing him.
Violator killed him off with the gun because he wasn't worth the damn powers
Tru dat.
***** he hangs him up by chains and its implied that he stabbed him a bunch and he left a message on his body. "Boys screamed and girls screamed so i made him scream....and scream....and scream" and it really was worth it to see the sick fuck get it
Because guns are for fun
"Confusius said don't bother killing a mosquito with cannon ball"
3:56 that’s a badass transformation.
BloodyFlowerFilms
It’s like at the end of Men in Black
"You made a *ffffFUCKIN* deal!"
Swear word detected in this video
And I thought his "telepathic voice" was chilling enough... Goodness gracious, he's even MORE creepy when talking with his mouth!
_"ThIs AiN't oVeR, SpAWn... _*_You made a FFFFFFUCKING deal._** Mmhuhohahahahahaha...!"*
2:13 - "it's not... even his... kid!" Lmaooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😆
I only just realized that the violator has 4 fingers.
The Mookster we'll 3 fingers and thumbs
Well, He is a half breed demon. After all lol. I belive his breif orgin explination is... His mother was human his father was a demon summoned by a perist or somthing along those lines! Anyways his human mother was an offering to his father whom was a murderous pure blood demon who took joy killing and had a high sex drive in a nut shell basically he Proceeds to kill the priest and rape the woman which ended up getting her pregnate and eventually giving birth to Violator the child birth killed her. After that through the years. His Father then proceeded to rape 3 more women for fun.Which resulted in all three of them getting pregnate. And the same happend They all died giving birth as well just like Violators mother. To him and his brother. He's the oldest strongest of 4 brothers. Time skipping ahead. His brother though often blamed their failures or any problem that arised in the family on him.and their father would.always.punish him even though nothing was.his fault. Eventually he snapped one day and brutally killed their father malbogha saw this and satated this one of the most vial and brutal.actsmof violencenhenhad witness and made himmthe watcher of spawns. Violator is responsible for.some.of human historys legends (for example he is what people called dragon).
Thesis
I guess because he and his brothers are half demons that somehow gave them better abilities as demons in general or else.their.father would have survived cause the violator brothers practically close to unkillable.
@@Adam-wy7mj huh?
@@dredvax was talking abput violators orgins
@@Adam-wy7mj he has 4 more brothers theres 5 of them in total.
2:30 Gonna be real, most normal people wouldn't spare a child predator that was in the process of taking a kid right in front of them. It took an inhuman amount of willpower for Spawn to not to just kill Billy on the spot.
You have to understand spawns fucked up mind. There was plenty of times innocent people died from him standing by he is far from a "normal" thinking mentality.
Also, the fact Kinkaid would become a Hellspawn like Al, same powers but lack of any morality, probably have him pauce.
@@TheAngriestReptileAlive what do you mean
Most normal people wouldn’t kill him either. Our minds just don’t want to kill other humans
@@jimmyelkordy3752 I would
I love how the violator is completely honest about what he is during 1:01 through. And the looks he gives billy like he kinda disappointed or something when he asks if he likes kids n replies that he loves kids cuz he's a clown. Comical yet twisted. Not saying violator is good but in a sense represents the cruelty that should be apposed
my guess is because he is a native from Hell so he is more about torturing sinners than commending those who sin
@@higaiwokeru I'm assuming it's like curing meat for them, the "juicer" the juicer the soul for the spots in Hell's Army.
@@higaiwokeru he doesn’t care he enjoys torturing people for no reason and he not a hell native oddly enough
@@higaiwokeru he’s actually one of five I’m pretty sure and he just wants to bring mayhem and chaos into the world and to make spawn play by his and his bosses script because spawn is like a portal for souls and the more he kills the more he sends to hell to become warriors of hell some being just as powerful as him but violator has one job just to make sure spawn brings hell to earth so they can win
kincaid is merely Clown's/Violator's ploy just to get spawn to kill. Doing so would have made Kincaid a hellspawn. I kinda wanted him dead to begin with, but clown shot him instead. Bitter sweet but spawn should have killed him.
Lot gorier in the comics. Massacred his ass. "So I made him scream and scream and scream."
Mcfarlane really nailed the art in the comics.
ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN
XD
@@Skorm731 0:02 to 0:08
Aaaatatatata let's not _blow..._
*Shows grenades*
...this out of proportion.
Batman *WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING WHERE IS HE WHERE'S THE JOKER WHERE'S HARVEY WHERE ARE THEY WHERE'S RACHEL WHERE'S THE TRIGGER WHERE IS IT YOU'D NEVER GIVE IT TO AN ORDINARY CITIZEN WHERE'S YOUR TRIGGER WHERE'S THAT TRIGGER WHERE*
Spawn *WHERE ARE YOU*
@@ichheieelsenorandorayashi4824 *_SWEAR TO ME!!!!!_*
I love the way Billy goes from visible confusion to maliciousness the very second Violator mentions kids and makes it obvious what he's there for. Bro has his act DOWN
4:00 I really loved Violator’s demon voice right there, So evil sounding!
Writing of this show was genius for the time
Dark twisted unsettling, yet some how very real and impactful
Read the comic lol
6:31 Wow, this Spawn guy is hard core. I think I might get into this series~
Its a sin unto God that this series was never continued.
@@davecrupel2817 yeah, I really wished to have seen malbojia and other fights in the series
8 years later and they still never continued with this series 😒
He wants him to keep his wife's name out of his mouth? Man, who does that remind me of?
I have been a spawn fan since I first learned of him, even mom who doesn't exactly know the origans of spawn admited she likes the character.
2:59
Violator:..what the F"**?!! Hey that was not in the script!!
The voice acting in this show is exceptionally good
Christ they couldn't have picked a better voice actor for the violator even if they tried.
yeah he has a mixture of so many things
What’s the name of the voice actor
Dante steve micheal nicolosi
Same for Spawn like i couldent imagine a better voice for him other than David Keith's.
@@thewildtigre3339 That's KEITH DAVID. David Keith is a different guy.
7:35 a quote I couldn’t possibly relate to more
@Ai7A simps
I barely understood what he said
It’s a motive, and yet despite the fact that I understand it, I don’t agree with it
Sometimes it really is better to just move on
@@logeyperogi1805 I got no idea what did he say
@@eitanchami2608 he took my moomin. Aka the guy stole his woman
His laugh is so addictive :D
Spawn: "I DONT WANNA HEAR HER NAME FROM YOUR FILTHY MOUTH!"
Violator: "WANDA WANDA WANDA!!!" XD 😂🤣
Spawn got his hoe card pulled 😂
Violator looks alot smaller when he transforms here, compared to when he fights Spawn.
shapeshifting. a common paranormal ability.
He can change his size, like Malebolgia.
Yes, he too has the power to make the animator ditch size consistency.
Tell me about it, during one of Spawn's flashbacks to back when he was in Hell Violator was like 3 times his size holding Spawn on a leash.
Literal shapeshifting demon
2:59 the way he said wtf still cracks me up
"I can't take this. He grabs her, *AND THE HOUSE BLOWS UP* "
My fucking ribs, every single time.
Michael Nicolisi is the man!! This short animated series is still my favorite.
"Its not even his kid!"🤣
So evil but still hilarious.
I still find it crazy that clown killed his father because the father favored the other brothers of clown over him . But clown and his brothers share all their father’s traits if not worse than their father .
I love Violator's laugh much more than any Joker's, its not as much as a psychopath who enjoys watching the world burn after set it on fire, it's more like a demon in the shadow who's mocking how small and pathetic humanity is
Joker has a grate laugh too, he mental af
To me he sounds like an echo inside your head that just won’t leave you alone.
That's because he is one.
Spawn: STAY OUT OF MY DREAMS!
Violator: ya don't have *shit*
Spawn:at least I have a body that women actually like.
"It's about Dominance and Submission!" Cool. One of my favorite Blue Oyster Cult songs.
Especially since he's not exactly Rong.
Love how he pulls out a revolver but the shell casing still comes out
5:57 That was Grim
"😂🤡, Your Dreams ? Malbogia, *OWNS* Youuu,You are his Bitch"
that was Grim af
😂😂😂
God damn it I really wish the Spawn animated series wasn't canceled :(
Why was it cancelled because I don't know
@darkfullgor 0_0 thanks and I hope mcFarlane keeps his word I'm really excited for it because spawn is one of my full time favorite comic book character in my top 5
@darkfullgor 0_0 Whoa, really? Is there an article or something where I can get the details? I want to see this for myself. Thank you for telling me this man
@darkfullgor 0_0 Oh snaps!!!
@darkfullgor 0_0 when and where did he say this?
Billy in the show gets off way easier than he did in the comics.
That may be what he means by "that's not in the script"
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 More than likely yeah, which is a funny fourth wall break.
like a scooper in his chest with popcicle sticks to his stomach while in chains
At least Violator put a bullet in his skull
So Violator is Spawn’s very own Joker!
Just more fucked up
A far more sinister joker
Not really.
Joker tries to corrupt Batman.
Spawn is already corrupt. It's just that this guy is forcing him to to his job and kill for Malborgias (I forget how to spell it). It means torturing him in dreams or quietly taunting him to do his bidding.
Think of him as not only Joker, but Bueno Excellente and Mr. Burns all in the body of a literal demon.
If he and Joker collided, this guy would murder and eat him until he barfs from the gas Joker lets out. Unlike anything else, the true Joker Toxin will just give him food poisoning.
Yeah if the joker wasnt a bitch.
He’s like a demonic Joker
“You made a fuckin deal” I’ve got goosebumps
"This ain't over, Spawn. *You made a fucking deal! Hehehehehehehehe"*
"Who said I ain't cultured"
Damn this show was ahead of it's time
Danny Devito would make a great Violator.
William Glass true
Joe Pesci would be way better
Jack black
Mason Verger Nah devito was great as penguin, this role is so similar to penguin that devito could almost do it in his sleep
@@ghostfacegrillah7891 Nah, voice isn't right. Devito's vocals are too deep, even when he tries a higher pitch. What makes this... clown so twisted is how light and smooth his voice is when his lines deliver, going raspy and vicious in a moment's notice.
i'm starting to remember why i'm afraid of clowns
And I grew up on ICP
@@Nuka0420 WOOP WOOP
@@ninjyangproductions7696 MMFWCL!
Is it weird that I find the demon's true form less disturbing/creepy than it's clown form? ( 4:00 )
They coulda drawn that a little better. Violator isn't that tiny. It makes him look like a little imp instead of a giant demon. He looks alot better in other parts ... I mean all I can see is his mouth and stick arms
No. The Demon form is made to look twisted and evil. The clown form is twisted and evil, in what should be a normal man... And it's scarier because the clown could be real...
Violator (Clown)'s true form is awesome.
Louie Man Gaming Vascillator looks the coolest doe
Jamie Hanes as clown/violator is right up there with mark hamil as the joker for best comic book villain portrayals.
This show deserves more attention.
6:30 “I don’t want to hear her name from your FILTHY MOUTH!”
This man makes Joker look sane. Only one can imagine what he could do if he was in the DC universe.
The way Violator “sheds” his Klown skin to reveal his True Form Is Hella Sikk!!! 😈🤘🏾🦂🔥🔥🔥
He is terrifying and funny at the same time. As if the joker had the powers of a demon
Facts
McDonald's Costumer: Do you have any ice cream?
McDonald's Ice Cream Dispenser: 3:26
Louie Man Gaming try restaurant ice cream dispensers especially hometown buffet😔
3:29
You like pizza, don't you Billy?
"Yeah..?"
Me too. But I'm an italian! I'm supposed to.
Violator has an oddly calming voice. I think it’s fantastic
4:18 I love that squealing laugh.
4:00
Its a shame, aside from the telepathy speaking, this is the only time we see Violator speak in his true form.
Incredibly menacing sounding.
Wish we could've gotten more.
3:56 LOVE THAT PART! MY FAVORITE PART!
4:01 that's the real voice of a demon it's terrifying
Violator in cartoon and Comics: let's make him an imposing force with actual power over Spawn.
Violator in movies: LET'S MAKE HIM AS ANNOYING POSSIBLE!!
Violator is pure evil.
Duh, hes a freaking demon 😅
Im loving this violator!
Hilarious....and soul freezing.
.
this guys VA mustve had a blast in the recording booth
You made a deal Hellspawn,. You made a FUCKIN deal.
Love that damn quote hahaha
@@cameronmoreno7313 :D
6:25 Will Smith moment.
Hard to believe, Billy Kincaid is voiced by Dick Jones from RoboCop.
Yup and he was cohaggen in total recall
And the banjo player from Deliverance...
@@mvader7188I watched some of the movie until I noticed something about a particular scene was about to happen so I stopped watching it altogether before I would risk getting scarred for life as I don't swing that way.
imagine a homeless man yelling stay out of my dreams in an alley way
His voice is pure asmr
the moment spawn shoots up the building in anger at 6:29 is the coolest spawn moment
3:23 Billy: I want my ice cream
Violator: Sorry asshole we're all outa ice cream
Always hated how they made Spawn back off from killing Billy Kincaid. In the comics Spawn beyond brutally kills Billy.
Turn on captions for a good laugh. Seriously though the voice acting in this show is beyond amazing.
5:46 "NooooooOo!" 💀💀💀
Chris Rock: “Love your wife’s haircut and I cannot wait for G.I. Jane 2!”
Will Smith: 6:25
Damn voice acting at its peak
Did this randomly get recommended to anyone? Or not? Anyone can respond.
I'm here cus mk11, i don't know much about Spawn but he looks cool and back in the day i watched the 90's movie
I fucking love this character and VA here
Yep.
Been recommended to me for awhile
You probably got recommended this because of Spawn being in Mk11
Jeez, his laugh at 4:12 reminds me of Paula Deen's from all those YTP vids. I knew she made a deal with Malebolgia.
The first R18 cartoon I’ve ever seen.
I swear a remake of spawn film and cast Danny devito as Violator, Keith David as spawn and a wild card out of the hat: a cameo of rob zombie.
“Get with the fucking program”!
I don’t know why but the clown’s laugh gets me exited 😁
I like theScene when the Violater say Kill him to Spawn and Spawn didn't kill the Children Killer! That show us that the Spawn not so Evil at the End!
I'm trying to answer this intelligently, I believe the reason his human form is a clown because typically clowns are fun, friendly and nice and Todd McFarlane wanted to show that even something so "great" (in the eyes of some people) can be nothing but pure evil. I guess... Or maybe Todd McFarlane just liked clowns. Either way Clown is badass.
EXACTLY LOL
ImCastorTroy8 the violator himself tells spawn he's a clown because he's being punished by malebolgia for screwing up.
In the comics, Violator CHOOSES to be a clown because he thinks human beings are ugly slobs
Gothivore yeah maybe that's only in the animated series version. Or maybe you're right. I don't know. All I know is that he does actually say that in this animated series.
I think he uses it to show that he sees his job as a joke
It'S nOt EvEn HiS...KID...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😍🤣🤣🤣
Wonder what he was doing when he shapeshifted into the preist? Jk its pretty obvious, what he said after that wasnt about being in that form.
Thy Oblivion_ it’s in the show...
1:48 My favorite part.
(4:25)-When your familiar is genuinely *from hell* 🤣
The perfect villain speech doesn’t exi-
4:40
I wish they brought this back looks neat
2:13 Lmao
This part makes me laugh the delivery was awesome 3:00
2:14 It's not even his kid.
5:40
NO. Just NO.
Pika Zilla 5:40
I dont get it did the clown transform?
What you get when fusing joker and a random demon.
Nah. Joker is just chaos.
Clown/Violator is just evil.
@@JunkyardGod True. Chaos and Evil are two different things.
@@fynnthefox9078 they do collide often though
Joker effing wishes....
3:58
If Violator can talk like normal, then what was up with that disgusting telepathy thing from before?
I had the same question
To fuck with Spawn.
He needed to drive the point home, and establish mental dominance.
Why was the violators mouth moving in his demon form I thought it couldn't move. He said they communicated throughout telepathy
Doesn't mean he can't talk in that form.
It means the animators figured out a way to make his mouth work between episodes. lol
Violator was pretty upset in that scene so it's probably just done to casually show Violator was too upset to fuck with Spawn and was a couple of seconds away from attacking him but didn't because he knew full well he won't do anything because it would go against Maelbolgia's interests
Nice shot spawny
Wanda was a bopper 💯
(0:09 and the end of the scen) vilonater broke the 4th wall.
I relate to Violator's speech the older I get... 4:34
I was actually thinking about the Violator after watching Haunt (cuz of the clown) yesterday after a really really long time. Then I found this.
That hi-pitched laugh at 4:20 is creepy.
I always loved Violator
O feel sorry for spawn when he screams
The clown and violator sounds different.
Must say the voice actor is amazing
He was.
... unfortunately 2020 took him away from us as well.
@@jayjay86443 what was his name?
@@Glori4n
Michael Nicolosi.
You'll see his obituary from November, I think he was in Chicago.