You may be able to use a separate router if you connect a router via WiFi as a repeater. It's a hacky work around but may grant you some additional options
It's pretty barebones but it's actually a pretty decent router speed & consistency wise, just doesn't have a lot of customization unfortunately, hopefully that will change
That Thinkpad is probably equipped with 802.11n Wi-Fi, 50 Mbps is quite fast. Starlink router is at least 802.11ac or ax (WiFi 6), that's why your phone is considerably faster.
@@mastercontrol5000 phone's probably still hooked to the 5Ghz wifi and it's on par with my 5GHz router which lacks a physical antenna (120mbps in the same room, 50ishmbps next room, and no signal in the next room), best solution is to give 5GHz and 2.4GHz different SSIDs so your phone can jump between them instead of clinging to the 5G signal as far as it can until it becomes painful slow or unresponsive
you may find the Router design without an ethernet port was totally deliberate to STOP the router performing wire speed internet bandwidth delivery to preserve overall service performance across the whole delivery system. a sneaky way of bandwidth throttling......
5:40 The indicator light on the bottom is GOOD design IMO. How many rooms are annoyingly illuminated at night by lights that are constantly on? If you have a problem, you can check. No need for light indicator 99.9% of the time.
I sleep with my bedroom door open for better air quality (small bedroom). The amount of shit I have to pile onto my router in the hallway so I can sleep is ridiculous. It probably also ruins any thermal properties. I thought about just taping all the indicator lights over with aluminum tape but that wouldn't solve the problem as lots of light is coming out of the ventilation slots in the back of the router as well because the indicator lights also illuminate the inside.
in my room theres always on leds on: the two monitors the speakers subwoofer the gpu in my desktop the external usb hard drive the GaN 65W charger my modem, which has an entire array of lights that will actively blink all the time + all connetected ethernet ports i went and taped every single led in my room because i was fed up of living in a christmas tree
@@HansPeter-qg2vc A little soldering should take care of those. Either pop them off or possibly add some bigger resistors to dim them down. Some routers allow you to do this in the settings.
You're right. Even if you design your router for remote location you need to at least add a WAN port for cascading to an actual router or meshing system. The absence of a LAN port makes no sense. I guess the design team has focused more on people going hiking and in remote locations occasionally rather than actual human being living remote.
I guess since he lives remote anyway he could get a router right next to the starlink router and use Wifi to connect to it and use a different channel to repeat the signal. Would be really silly though.
@@hoodplayz8883 same here. I found out about Luke when he did his video mentioning Luke's LARBS. I'm glad though, because now I have whiteface Kenny to watch. Double the based content.
I did the research out of curiosity and the documentation around Starlink is truly awful. I cannot confirm this since Starlink is not available where I live, but you can factory reset the router by putting the antenna/dish in "stow mode" and then unplugging the router from the power socket (AC) and keeping that way for at least 20 min -- after that you can plug into power again the set the WiFi SSID and password. The "stow mode", to my understand, is a way to fold the antenna into it's original position so you can transport it. I've also saw something about accessing the "admin page" that the app would give you by using the internal address "192.168.100.1/support" -- on this YT video (v=lA5XtyctSPA).
The ethernet port was actually removed. The earlier Starlink models with the circular disk had an ethernet port on the router. The model where its shaped like a square doesn't have an ethernet port. With the square one you have to buy an adapter off their store separately.
Luke could in theory install an android emulator on his Linux laptop, it comes with the Play Store, and then in there install the Starlink app. In that way you have an android app without any tracking of the phone, you just turn on the emulator when needed.
He would've had a bad time with AnBox on a x220. It's very unstable in my experience and crashes way too often to actually do something on it. Not to mention that he would probably have to install a custom kernel (like linux-zen) to actually use it. It would also make him pretty much accept the fact that he is forced to do this rather than having some sane network controls. If it was me i would preffer not installing this crap at all. I would just wait for my family to visit and asked them to install the app temporarly to change the settings, as they are already a part of Google and Apple ecosystem.
@@MrBladejs There are some cloud hosted android providers with web interfaces available. It is a stupid problem, but cutting your own foot to prove a point is never the way to go...
@@milosCivejovidar It's just changing the ssid, he dosen't have to do it every day, more like once a year or even less than that. Btw, Luke dispises the concept of doing your computing via cloud services. If you think changing ssid is worth breaking his principles then why not just tell him to install Google services on his phone? Of course he's not going to do it.
all problems could have been solved with a SINGLE gigabit port. JUST ONE. I guess the solution is to buy a wireless booster and put it right next to the thing, which is absurd.
They sell $25 ethernet adapters that go between the router and the antennae, and work well. The high performance models however dont need that. My guess is that the "router" isnt actually a router. Its just a wifi point for the main system, which is the Antennae.
honestly I think that is how Tesla's tend to be. Awesome "headline" features, great innovation, but with the deadlines elon espouses, among other reasons for sure, they actual implementation is cheap/proprietary/under-developed etc. Of the top of my head, tesla door-handles just not ejecting, unable to repair teslas, etc etc
@@Jarrettmonty99 New Teslas replaced the indicator switch (the whisker thing) with touch buttons. Not even mechanical buttons, but those strange capacitive "buttons" that are flush and give no physical feedback. Has this been an issue with automotive design? The turn signal being too easy to activate without needing to look at it? Tesla (and Starlink) are definitely trying to copy Apple with their increasingly dumb ways to "innovate" with things that needed no reinventing.
Just an FYI. I write software at an ISP. That business is margin thin. The problem is you need world class support when margins are thin because everyone can charge the same price you’ll have to win on service. Call centres are super expensive. They are a sunk cost that constantly balloons up. Then they unionize. See where this is going? You want to sell your product with ZERO options. Why. Because any knob that can be turned will be turned incorrectly and that means something will stop working. Now you’ll get call to your very expensive margin eating call center with an angry customer yelling. They’ll even damage the hardware and cancel their service. If for every knob that can be turned, it means down time for your call center staff who have to be trained how to spot that issue, troubleshoot that issue and fix that issue. This compounds if you keep adding more knobs to modify. Then you’ll have to invest in refresher training for the staff to retain all these things over the years. So why not hire smarter call center agents? 1) cost 2) they won’t stay even if you find one desperate enough to take the job. To avoid all these issues, you sell a product that just plugs and plays. This cuts out all the above garbage. If it doesn’t make dollars, it doesn’t make sense.
I set up a new nighthawk router for a friend recently and I was extremely annoyed that I had to download an app in order to do it. I think a big part of it is to hold the hand of someone who has never been into a router menu before, but I just hated using it.
I hate app based stuff. My new WIFI mesh system is all app controlled there is no desktop interface. So annoying and I feel locked out of my own device because any other Routers have a million settings in a proper desktop interface but no all you get with TP Link devices is a crappy app.
@@alouisschafer7212 Patch your TPL with OpenWRT. It's really easy to do, just don't panic when the router needs an hour to properly connect to the interwebs, it's perfectly normal. I used the russian forum 4pda.
Sometimes you can access web pages for setup even without apps. I don't mind apps for some hand-holding for those who need it but they should always be optional.
Most ISPs don't let you forward ports and shit even with a custom router. The ISP I'm on right now requires a custom router OS that really only lets you change the name and password
I was honestly excited to get Starlink and the biggest bonus was compatibility with existing hardware, now customers have proprietary equipment, dongles and reduced speeds on the standard plan because of the new business tier subscription plan. It'll still be better than being stuck on cellular with a data cap, but it's kind of like a punch in the gut demanding you hand over your lunch money for less of an experience.
Yea you need to get an ethernet port seperately. I guess in a way they tried to dumbify it as much as possible, but it still sucks. Well its just an extra $25. Prolly much cheaper than installing it on every router itself
Whenever my internet is messed up Ookla speedtest says my ping is 0. I think if it can't connect quick enough it times out and just says 0, instead of putting an error up for whatever reason.
I think that starlink sells an adapter to add a ethernet port if you want it. As far as I have heard, they are giving you the shittiest router because they need to reduce capital costs because the whole systems is not profitable yet, which given that it is a beta, I think is understandable.
@@mskiptr to be fair 8P8C modular connectors are terrible for outdoor applications. Of course that doesn’t excuse them from using a nonstandard connector, they could have gone with IEC 61076-2-109 M12 instead.
They sell the ethernet adaptor cheap. There's a lot of dim bulbs out there that just need someone to hold their hand to figure stuff out because otherwise it gets "annoying". Yeah, he has stated that he's losing money on every unit sold as it is but the entitled are going to cry until they get someone to wipe their butt for them. They want it sent out as a full mesh system or they'll throw a fit.
Old vs New... I have the older round version. I don't know if they are the same for this. Mine has/had the worthless router (although mine did have one lan port) but you don't want to use it anyway. Again on the old version, it had a brick with a wire running to the dish and another running to the router. The port that ran to the router is just a POE Lan/Wan port. I unplugged the router from the brick and plugged my choice of router into it. I prefer wired connections where it's available anyway but then for wireless you can use a real router that will give you a decent signal. If this newer version is setup the same then I would absolutely do your own router. Keep in mind you still won't be able to do port forwarding because starlink uses CGNAT. There are ways around it but they aren't as easy as I would like. The phone app thing...I'm on android but assume the apple stuff has the same features. There are three things it's good for. It shows the area that should be open for the dish. It has a stats section that will show the outages and the type which is informative. It allows you to setup the WIFI on the router. Since I don't use their router the last one doesn't matter to me. Actually all three don't matter to me as you can get the same info (except I don't think you can do the WIFI setup) from any computer connected with a web browser. Just go to 192.168.100.1. They have something hard coded to take you to their stats screen. The stats page is one thing you have to work around with your own router. There are several you tube videos on how to get it to work with your own router...
In the Netherlands you get 50Mbit/s (up+down) of actual internet speed for €30. For €50 you can get 200+ Mb/s down 20Mb/s upload. The rest of western Europe has slightly higher prices, but still well below €100. In the post soviet countries that are not part of the EU, you have similar coverage and speeds, at one 3rd the price of western Europe. U.S. consumers rights are just pretty unfortunate.
Explain to the folks at home how much your electricity and gas prices have risen in the past year. Your prices are also only available in the slums and not in the few areas that you could call rural.
@@otten5666 So you're basically just proving my point: 1) Countries in western Europe have affordable internet despite being high wage countries with high prices. 2) European countries have more taxes on energy resources than the US, but at least tax payer money is actually used to help people in need. 3) Internet service doesn't depend on oil prices, and oil prices don't correlate to consumer protection laws. And if there is any correlation, then internet should be cheaper if you have cheaper electricity prices. 4) In rural Russia you can get sattelite internet from trikolor (with no data cap) at 10-5 Mb/s for $23, and 40-10 Mb/s for 63$, Gazprom offers sattelite internet 100-10Mb/s for 37$ with a 20GB data cap; but most Russian villages have cabled or mobile internet.
@@sasjadevries You are misunderstanding. You have affordable fast internet in your urban area's because of your government's decisions. These same decisions have you pay 50% more for your gas and electricity than a year before. Good for you to enjoy the crumbs of a failing government while paying absurd amounts every time you fill up your car or turn on your heater. I guess if you don't have a car and spend your time browsing meme's it's a good trade off.
@@otten5666 Nope, you are misunderstanding. European ISPs aren't subsidized or anything, and they are making big profits; it just takes a competitive market to get affordable internet, you don't have to make sacrifices to get cheap internet. The costs of energy is a different topic. In the US you have suburbs and big distances to travel; in the EU stores and job locations are spread out more evenly, so you don't need to travel as far (compared to a US city/town/village of similar size), and there is more public transport. In Europe you get job stalibity, education and healthcare in excange for some of the taxes you pay. Your net income and buying power kinda boils down to similar numbers, but you just have less financial risks in Europe, and a lower likelyhood to get ripped off. Now, in Russia you have similar laws to Europe, and they have both with cheap energy prices, cheap public transport and cheap internet; that too can be done. I do like driving cars, and I do own one; but I appreciate the existance of public transport. I mean with good public transport, you don't need to own a car if you're not a carguy, hence there will be less bad/uninvolved drivers on the road. Europeans don't buy a car because they need to, but because they want to. The bottom line is: European laws overall make a lot of sense, and the model does just work out. Obviously there is enough room for improvement (as in any country), but European govts certainly aren't failing: they don't have a 30 trillion$ state debt, and they don't have mass looting.
Phone and internet in thr US is atrociously expensive for crappy service. I am so glad we have quality and cheap services in India. It was a shock coming back to India
@@CrazyMineCuber Just look at the amount of money it costs to launch these satellites (They only orbit a few years), then you look at how many users they would need to just cover that cost to be competitive, then look at how congested the network would be if there were that many users on it (way too many to be competitive).
Why would the government subsidize something that actively undermines their control over existent ISPs that need to get government concessions to be able to operate in any given country lol i've heard of the German subsidy, but that's for customers not for SpaceX itself, the Germans are just subsidizing the purchase of Starlink devices for rural citizens who can't otherwise get good internet but they're not funding the development of Starlink that's entirely self-funded by SpaceX
Luke this isn't how you test wifi signal strength. Your laptop likely cant do more than a 40mhz bond to the router because the wifi card is older. You need to use software to report the dbM value of the wifi ssid. You can do this on your phone and walk around the house, there should be no noticeable difference in speeds and signal reliability until that number falls below ~-65dbM
On pricing I don't think you're so spot on: where i live, getting fiber to the cabinet internet at 50-100 MBit/s costs about 70 bucks upfront + 30 bucks a month. So i don't think your opinion of "most of the world" internet price/quality ratio is so accurate
When I visited Italy it was difficult to tell when I'm leaving the city and entering some village since it felt more like some suburb than a separate village.
I received my dish about 3 weeks ago. For anyone interested in latency, in my case at least it pings only about 10ms higher than when I had DSL (early dsl before it was left to rot). At the moment the second constellation nor the third are in place to my knowledge. I mention that because there are several very brief disconnections and maybe 2 10-30 second ones per day. Once more satellites are up I imagine the stability will improve.
@_____ It's a common trend across all of their engineering, be it the cockpit of a self-flying rocket from spaceX, or attempting to repair an electric car. The conclusion here is that the philosophy behind this is... unnecessary.
I got starlink about a month ago and recieved a dishy v1, with dishy v1 you can connect it straight to your own router. With that I used a router with openwrt on it, the dishy v1 was pretty much plug and play. Too bad you got the dishy v2 however.
Dishy ver.2 is also idiot proof plug & play. You just can't get "annoyed" at every little thing though. Life is hard, you gotta adapt and overcome. Sounds like he's making everything harder than it needs to be.
Hopefully they don't go the starband route where the 180 modem was everything you needed but they forced you to replace that with the 360 which was a winmodem. They made you send the 180 back too which many felt meant they actually had plans to use them for a project they could charge more for.
In my country I pay $32 for 250 MB download and 15 MB upload with 11 ms ping. I am speechless by the prices you have to pay. Why? how do you justify that kind of price?
I was paying $89/month for Frontier dsl. It's 1.1mbps down on a good day but it's the only game in town. This is a lifechanger for people in rural areas.
You'll need another router, preferably with DD-WRT, and setup it up as an AP or bridge. Just like every ISP gives you a modem that doubles as a terrible router so you supply your own router if you want good coverage or just half decent control over your network.
One thing I've been wondering since forever: In some european countries including my home germany, internet customers have got what's called "Router freedom", which means that the internet provider must give the opportunity to customers to use alternative routers. Does starlink abide by this?
luke why did you get the soylink? i can see from a mile away a camera inside that router looking at your soul and the glowies now have your location with that antenna. you should have connected you ethernet cable to mycelium instead, now that is the only network without any glowies
I recently bought a mid-range Linksys router to discover that not only does it require an app, but that app has less features than the settings page of the 10 year old router it was replacing. I guess now you need to pay out the nose for enterprise grade routers to have access to what used to be pretty standard features...
Recently I got a mesh network kit and in order to set it up, the only thing the "manual" said was to use the app. Thankfully, I could go to the local IP for it, but I feel like in a few years, more and more tech will be going for the apps. Guess I'll be keeping all of my current networking hardware forever.
$100 a month and $500 for equipment all for maybe 100-200 mbps down, seems kinda steep for me, I pay significantly less and I get triple in my speeds than what I've seen so far in this video. But if you live in a more rural location, it might be a smart investment, I guess if its your last resort.
If you live in a rural county that has something like a Touchstone Electric Coop, they are all connecting their grids with fiber, and as a benefit they are offering internet. I will have to wait 3-5 years for it, but eventually I will be able to get 1 Gbps for $79.99
The worst part about the Gen2 router's lack of ethernet is that the $20 adapter can only be used in "bypass mode." In short, the Starlink router MUST be a part of your network even if you don't want it. Allegedly the router firmware is based on OpenWRT but the fact that Starlink hasn't GPL'd (or even soy licensed) their additions means there might be some nefarious shit in there. Oh, and the ethernet adapter is backordered. My Starlink got here this week after a 1 year waiting period yet I'm using a Raspberry Pi and forwarding WiFi to my wired network over DHCP. What a joke. The Starlink app does have GSF dependencies, namely location for the obstruction finder, but seems to work okay otherwise on LineageOS and Graphene. IIRC you can access the dish directly from 192.168.1.100, even with your own networking equipment, but not sure if you can change the SSID or password from there.
You can reset the password on the mobile app, or by holding down the reset switch beeneth the router until it changes color. Still sucks that it cannot reach longer though.
The same shit is with the Solar inverters, they give you pretty much nothing, and if you want to connect or see the production logs you need to install a crapy cellphone app that absolutely spy on you, so I put several hours head to head and build my own app for pc to monitor the produced/consumed power, don't know if can be the case for Starlink, maybe they remove any hard connect to the device to avoid people bypass their login, is forcing users link the device to their identity thru app/login.
Could it be to keep the network from being overused, like cut the ways they can "abuse" the internet and we can ship to more devices. If you cant use ethernet and wifi for more than 1 meter, then the internet usage will exponentially drop, compared to a normal router. So maybe this could be a scaling solution? Like the package is intended as limited, because a basic router has all the basic things, but the thing is, even though it's a router, it's not a router in the common sense, the way its connected to the rest of the world is different, which has i guess you could call it optimization engineering, so calling it a router is a reference to what people already are accustomed to, not necessarily what it is, based on the way it works. This is my take on maybe why it is like that.
@@sharpieman2035it still gives network profit margin for free, and it scales. And second, why would they do it like the way they did instead of what everybody already is accostumed to? There has to be a reason
Honestly those wifi speeds are really good. It's clearly running in 5 GHz mode which is BLAZING fast but it can get interrupted by practically anything. I'd recommend setting up the router in a high enough place or purchasing some repeaters (preferably with an ethernet plug) and installing them on your ceeling. Or if you want to go the cheap route you can slow it down to 2.4 GHz which will be slower but it will allow it to cross some thiner walls (cca 5 to 10 cm) You can access all of these settings and more by going into the configuration site of your router. Here's a quote from the user manual: "Access the Router Admin Portal by entering this IP address into a browser: 192.168.1.1." Hope that helps!
12:44 That's kinda like Comcast/Xfinity does it. With their router they provide you use a phone app to set it up and you can like change settings with it. The most ridiculous things is that you also do port forward in the app and like 90% of the time it craps out on you. Also it's pretty scary because it's not like the app communicates over the local network, but instead the router receives the configuration via the internet meaning that they have an open back door that could technically be exploited if anyone ever founds out a vulnerability. I seriously recommend for most people to just buy your own router: you'll skip over the $14 equipment fee and it gives you a heck-of-a-lot more control if you ever need it.
Appaz there is a reset button somewhere on the bottom of the device. Press that, and it should present the default interface again. Or you have to reconnect.
Dude... I live in rural North FL and the closest cell towers are 4 miles away. I have a little device that gets me LTE data at 30/30 on the best days... 20/20 on most. I have a pre-paid unlimited data sim in there for $60/month and have not been throttled. Yeah, playing an MMO is annoying, but I have at least 8 devices on my router and can stream all day, connect to all my VPSes, and do all the video conference calls my work demands with very little issues. Thanks to this video, I'm cancelling my Starlink order... I had the original pre-ordered for about a year now- not the Premium- and I saw this morning they cut the speed to it. I'd rather get fiber at 1200/month for 300/300 than pay 500 a month for 100/15 and shitty hardware.
Your phone isn't focusing properly because it's not seeing enough contrast to focus. If it sees nearly blank paper or nearly white sky there's not enough contrasting details for it to grab.
Damn, this just reminded me how good we have it here in my country with internet and how grateful I am for it. I pay around 9 USD a month for 1 Gbps fiber that's actually good. And they also plan on adding 10 Gbps for about the same money sometime this year.
@@amshel9029 Yeah but Bucharest isn’t the countryside, and I imagine you live in a city. Also I’ve seen images of all the cables hanging around, have they been fixed or at least covered up yet?
@@Madeguydo Nah, not only Bucharest, in every city and since a few years back, even in the countryside. For example, my parents house from a random rural village in the North East part of the country have the same kind of internet: 1 Gbps max for the same price, and there are even 2 providers available there which you can choose from. Regarding cables... Well, in the big cities I've seen some cables be put underground when they renovated the whole streets, but that's it, isolated cases AFAIK. There's still lots of cables hanging around.
@@amshel9029 Nice, I'm from Italy and here in the countryside it's still the dark ages as far as internet speed is concerned, for example I'm from northern tuscany and we have 65 Mbit/s speeds AVERAGE while most regions hover around 40. 1Gbps in rural areas is complete fantasy in less affluent regions unfortunately, but that's probably because the government doesn't give a shit about south of Rome or whoever doesn't live in a big city. I mean 1Gbps wasn't even available in a city with 200k population near me up until 2019. Madness.
I'm sorry, while I agree that not having an Ethernet port is stupid, and starlink's ap may be bad, but that's just the Thinkpad's wireless card being trash. If you don't wanna change the Thinkpad's wireless card (wifi 6 cards are pretty cheap nowadays) , you can connect your Android phone to the wifi, and using USB tethering to your laptop, and it will kinda act like a USB wifi card. (Make sure you disable your mobile data)
@@bbseal6174 that's one thing, I didn't say it's a great ap, just saying the difference between the phone's and laptop's speeds isn't due to distance, rather caused by different wifi cards. I can get 800/900 Mbit/s while creating a wifi 6 hotspot on my 5g phone and using a wifi 6 laptop. In the specific case showed in the video the laptop's wifi card is just bad
Why don't you buy an Wi-Fi repeater/extensor to connect to the Starlink Router, so it can spread the signal through your whole house? I mean, maybe it has more efficiency spreading the signal. I don't know '-'
You might Check Amazon for a AC600 dual band USN adapter for your computer. The ac600 comes with drives. If you still have a CD reader it is a fast set up. You can find a USB CD reader on amazon.. It possibly is your laptop not the Star Link Router. I get the same speed 30 feet away with my Star link. You are not suppose to touch the surface of your satellite terminal. (dish).
I was gonna post the same thing. If he doesn't have at least ac over 5Ghz, he isn't going to get the speeds he is getting on his phone. So, it doesn't matter how close his laptop is to the wifi router if he doesn't have a fast wifi adapter. In addition, if he is using a usb adapter and the laptop has older usb, that will further limit what he sees.
I’m probably gonna have to end up getting this myself, it’s cheaper and higher speed and doesn’t have a 50 gig data cap like my current ISP. But not having an Ethernet port is a real dealbreaker for me, I built my PC without wifi because I knew I was going to have it wired in the whole time. Why? Because it works better. Unless there’s some way to add that functionality or ideally, use another router completely with custom firmware I won’t be able to use this.
There are plenty 3rd world countries with fast internet far cheaper than 100$/month, it's just that coverage in rural America is especially terrible to this day, and competition is basically non-existent.
I found the ethernet port! You gotto cut the cable and get a compatible POE power injector though :/ Also its not normal POE wiring, so you have to make your own crossover cables. After plugging it directly in to my network its showing full duplex gigabit ethernet, and pings dropped by 20-30ms! I'm hoping as more sats are launched I see bandwidth closer to 350mbps or above.
You made a comment that "If you have easy access to fast internet you're probs just a brat," Wow have you been isolated from the rest of society. I have lived in many third world countries from cameroon to indonesia, travelled to many other countries all across the first, second, and third world. Unless the country is currently at war or run by a crazy dictator, it's possible to get north of 10mb/s, which for me is perfectly fine. I'm currently in one of those evil cities right now in europe, and my housemates and I share the second worst internet package that's offered it sits at 50mb/s and roughly 15up.
Living in the US and using that as a reference point is not being isolated from society. Not everyone enjoys being a tourist and using their holiday experience to virtue signal in RUclips comments.
EXACTLY ! That crAPP everyone try to push on you is so annoying. What if i dont even have damn phone and i probably not if i live in middle of nowhere without reception if i need satellite internet in the first place.
Here are some of my measurements, just as a comparison (not Starlink, regular optical internet). On my X220 I have a speed of 98 Mbps down and 19 up with ping 2 thorough a wired connection and around 85 down and 19 up with ping 5 through Wi-Fi. The router is about 4m from the laptop. The router also has 5G Wi-Fi to which the X220 can't connect but my phone can and it gets 94 down and 19 up, ping 2 at the same distance.
Do you have to pay 100$ every month or you can choose which months you want to use the service? If it's reliable it is great for digital nomads since they can basically use it only when they are off road for a month or two. If there is some pay-per-use model I would actually consider investing in the device.
As long as it's not some proprietary modem, then you can use any modem-router setup you want and toss that thing in the garbage. Literally any modem-router you use will work fine, As long as you have the access to edit your Protocol account the device is pretty irrelevant. 500$ for that satellite without the device is still pretty reasonable in my eyes, and the modem/router is literally just bare essentials if you don't have anything else. If it is a special modem, then you can absolutely still use your own router and disable the built in router.
Why are people calling this soylink? My dad lived in a place with no internet at all and bad cell service. He got starlink and it's live changing for him.
I pay $50 for my home internet. You get the router, a power cable, and an ethernet cable. You don't have to set anything up. Just set everything up through the app. And the router is easy to understand
I will defend the Starlink router by saying that it being designed this way means it's water resistant and durable. Which is important if it's to be used in harsh environments like camp sites or campers or thrown around. Buy the ethernet module for 30 bucks pleb EDIT: the old receiver has an ethernet port. It also uses twice the electricity and is slower. Starlink uses a lot of electricity (50-90W).
The light is underneath because who WANTS to see another light in their room? I agree with everything else though and the whole "oversimplify everything" mindset is hilariously bad.
Yeah it should have ethernet. Or come with repeaters. I need to get a repeater in my small 2 bedroom apartment. My cell signal is much better than my Starry router from my bedroom for some reason.
Satellite internet is a terrible idea both with LEO's (as in the case of Startlink), as well as with GeoStats. Oh and btw ... Starlink just Doubled the price of their service a couple of month ago ... annoying more expensive ... If you could have line of sight to some mountaintops you would get Much better internet by making a couple of bridges to the nearest Town or place with high bandwidth. ... just saying ... look for long range wifi ... ubiquity is known to have some 15miles links that can be powered with solar panels in remote locations ... and they can Chain Link Multiple bridges between very very long distances.
phone is most likely wireless AC/N and that laptop is wireless G or N which is limited and maybe only on the 2.4ghz. $40 Solution is get a wireless AC bridge and then connect that bridge to your router or network on good networking great with separate APs Etc.
Does starlink has dual band? Aka 2.4 and 5G. I was having a similar problem with an old laptop vs my phone, It turns out the laptop was only able to use 2.4 band that has a limit of 60 mbps the phone with 5G was able to get 100+ mbps
"in most of the world" actually most of the world has decent internet now. suvks to live in parts where there is no good internet options available but by now that is not the majority of places. NA ISPs just suck
It's incredible how they went far as launching satellites to provide internet worldwide and then they screw it with a shitty router
You may be able to use a separate router if you connect a router via WiFi as a repeater. It's a hacky work around but may grant you some additional options
@@bubbleboy821 Or just plug in your own router to the dish. Its just a bog standard router for those that dont have one.
It is absolutely not a standard router. It has a proprietary connection to connect to the antenna.
It's pretty barebones but it's actually a pretty decent router speed & consistency wise, just doesn't have a lot of customization unfortunately, hopefully that will change
@@AoElite Doubt. Companies hate third party for some reason these days.
That Thinkpad is probably equipped with 802.11n Wi-Fi, 50 Mbps is quite fast. Starlink router is at least 802.11ac or ax (WiFi 6), that's why your phone is considerably faster.
It is 802.11ac
@@andreaswahl6644 he also tested the phone in the other room, and it was down to 40 Mbps
@@mastercontrol5000 phone's probably still hooked to the 5Ghz wifi and it's on par with my 5GHz router which lacks a physical antenna (120mbps in the same room, 50ishmbps next room, and no signal in the next room), best solution is to give 5GHz and 2.4GHz different SSIDs so your phone can jump between them instead of clinging to the 5G signal as far as it can until it becomes painful slow or unresponsive
@@amnottabs No, he did A/B. Phone in one room, phone in the other room. 70% decrease in bandwidth.
you may find the Router design without an ethernet port was totally deliberate to STOP the router performing wire speed internet bandwidth delivery to preserve overall service performance across the whole delivery system. a sneaky way of bandwidth throttling......
The Ethernet port is stored in the balls.
5:40 The indicator light on the bottom is GOOD design IMO. How many rooms are annoyingly illuminated at night by lights that are constantly on? If you have a problem, you can check. No need for light indicator 99.9% of the time.
Hmm, you're actually right. That does make sense.
Definitely. I put my router in "the bad room" with all the other gently illuminating objects because I can't stand unnecessary lights.
I sleep with my bedroom door open for better air quality (small bedroom). The amount of shit I have to pile onto my router in the hallway so I can sleep is ridiculous. It probably also ruins any thermal properties. I thought about just taping all the indicator lights over with aluminum tape but that wouldn't solve the problem as lots of light is coming out of the ventilation slots in the back of the router as well because the indicator lights also illuminate the inside.
in my room theres always on leds on:
the two monitors
the speakers subwoofer
the gpu in my desktop
the external usb hard drive
the GaN 65W charger
my modem, which has an entire array of lights that will actively blink all the time + all connetected ethernet ports
i went and taped every single led in my room because i was fed up of living in a christmas tree
@@HansPeter-qg2vc A little soldering should take care of those. Either pop them off or possibly add some bigger resistors to dim them down. Some routers allow you to do this in the settings.
they went stupidly hardcore on minimalism, that manual is hilarious
You're right. Even if you design your router for remote location you need to at least add a WAN port for cascading to an actual router or meshing system. The absence of a LAN port makes no sense. I guess the design team has focused more on people going hiking and in remote locations occasionally rather than actual human being living remote.
If you move too far from your selected location, the entire system just stops working.
I guess since he lives remote anyway he could get a router right next to the starlink router and use Wifi to connect to it and use a different channel to repeat the signal. Would be really silly though.
@@goeiecool9999 id probably do that. And curse Elon lol
I think it gas a lan port but they made some retarded proprietary connector for that
An RJ45 is scary
Thanks for the info, Kenny.
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It was through Kenny that I came across luke smith
@@hoodplayz8883 same here. I found out about Luke when he did his video mentioning Luke's LARBS. I'm glad though, because now I have whiteface Kenny to watch. Double the based content.
@@seanld444 it was the same video for me
@@seanld444 Blackface Luke 🤝Whiteface Kenny
I did the research out of curiosity and the documentation around Starlink is truly awful. I cannot confirm this since Starlink is not available where I live, but you can factory reset the router by putting the antenna/dish in "stow mode" and then unplugging the router from the power socket (AC) and keeping that way for at least 20 min -- after that you can plug into power again the set the WiFi SSID and password. The "stow mode", to my understand, is a way to fold the antenna into it's original position so you can transport it. I've also saw something about accessing the "admin page" that the app would give you by using the internal address "192.168.100.1/support" -- on this YT video (v=lA5XtyctSPA).
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I am so proud of Luke. Now he can start to backup github/youtube onto his hdd
🤣🤣
lol
The ethernet port was actually removed. The earlier Starlink models with the circular disk had an ethernet port on the router. The model where its shaped like a square doesn't have an ethernet port. With the square one you have to buy an adapter off their store separately.
I wonder if it's still there under the plastic. Or at least the pads for it.
@@chaos.corner total respin of the board
Luke could in theory install an android emulator on his Linux laptop, it comes with the Play Store, and then in there install the Starlink app. In that way you have an android app without any tracking of the phone, you just turn on the emulator when needed.
You can, but you are still acepting dumb ways to do very simple things.
He would've had a bad time with AnBox on a x220. It's very unstable in my experience and crashes way too often to actually do something on it. Not to mention that he would probably have to install a custom kernel (like linux-zen) to actually use it.
It would also make him pretty much accept the fact that he is forced to do this rather than having some sane network controls. If it was me i would preffer not installing this crap at all. I would just wait for my family to visit and asked them to install the app temporarly to change the settings, as they are already a part of Google and Apple ecosystem.
@@MrBladejs There are some cloud hosted android providers with web interfaces available. It is a stupid problem, but cutting your own foot to prove a point is never the way to go...
android without tracking, thats a generally false claim... i can hear GOOGLE and Oracle laugh out loud in the background
@@milosCivejovidar It's just changing the ssid, he dosen't have to do it every day, more like once a year or even less than that. Btw, Luke dispises the concept of doing your computing via cloud services. If you think changing ssid is worth breaking his principles then why not just tell him to install Google services on his phone? Of course he's not going to do it.
all problems could have been solved with a SINGLE gigabit port. JUST ONE.
I guess the solution is to buy a wireless booster and put it right next to the thing, which is absurd.
They sell $25 ethernet adapters that go between the router and the antennae, and work well.
The high performance models however dont need that.
My guess is that the "router" isnt actually a router. Its just a wifi point for the main system, which is the Antennae.
Soylink good. Roads bad.
Gottem
Amazing that they did the hardest thing and somehow failed at basically just providing a modem
honestly I think that is how Tesla's tend to be. Awesome "headline" features, great innovation, but with the deadlines elon espouses, among other reasons for sure, they actual implementation is cheap/proprietary/under-developed etc. Of the top of my head, tesla door-handles just not ejecting, unable to repair teslas, etc etc
@@Jarrettmonty99 New Teslas replaced the indicator switch (the whisker thing) with touch buttons. Not even mechanical buttons, but those strange capacitive "buttons" that are flush and give no physical feedback.
Has this been an issue with automotive design? The turn signal being too easy to activate without needing to look at it? Tesla (and Starlink) are definitely trying to copy Apple with their increasingly dumb ways to "innovate" with things that needed no reinventing.
Just an FYI. I write software at an ISP. That business is margin thin. The problem is you need world class support when margins are thin because everyone can charge the same price you’ll have to win on service. Call centres are super expensive. They are a sunk cost that constantly balloons up. Then they unionize. See where this is going? You want to sell your product with ZERO options. Why. Because any knob that can be turned will be turned incorrectly and that means something will stop working. Now you’ll get call to your very expensive margin eating call center with an angry customer yelling. They’ll even damage the hardware and cancel their service. If for every knob that can be turned, it means down time for your call center staff who have to be trained how to spot that issue, troubleshoot that issue and fix that issue. This compounds if you keep adding more knobs to modify. Then you’ll have to invest in refresher training for the staff to retain all these things over the years. So why not hire smarter call center agents? 1) cost 2) they won’t stay even if you find one desperate enough to take the job. To avoid all these issues, you sell a product that just plugs and plays. This cuts out all the above garbage. If it doesn’t make dollars, it doesn’t make sense.
Luke Smith back at it again with the super late night uploads
he accidentally left his laptop across the room
The worst thing about Starlink is it attracting awful people to rural areas.
We have ruined rural areas. Nothing is sacred anymore. I want off this ride
Femboys will soon be the new scene. Àntifâ will start their ops.
I set up a new nighthawk router for a friend recently and I was extremely annoyed that I had to download an app in order to do it. I think a big part of it is to hold the hand of someone who has never been into a router menu before, but I just hated using it.
I hate app based stuff. My new WIFI mesh system is all app controlled there is no desktop interface. So annoying and I feel locked out of my own device because any other Routers have a million settings in a proper desktop interface but no all you get with TP Link devices is a crappy app.
@@alouisschafer7212 Patch your TPL with OpenWRT. It's really easy to do, just don't panic when the router needs an hour to properly connect to the interwebs, it's perfectly normal. I used the russian forum 4pda.
Sometimes you can access web pages for setup even without apps. I don't mind apps for some hand-holding for those who need it but they should always be optional.
@@iskamagopen wrt is awesome!
$500 upfront + $100/mo? lmao yeah it's getting internet everywhere bro!!! people in africa and small towns will love this!!!
The whole town could use one dish though lol
Remember when routers were actually configurable?
Oh I do and I have one
Most ISPs don't let you forward ports and shit even with a custom router. The ISP I'm on right now requires a custom router OS that really only lets you change the name and password
@@spicynoodle7419 man that's really retarded. All this means is that you just have to hack into your own router just to get the bare minimum working
I was honestly excited to get Starlink and the biggest bonus was compatibility with existing hardware, now customers have proprietary equipment, dongles and reduced speeds on the standard plan because of the new business tier subscription plan. It'll still be better than being stuck on cellular with a data cap, but it's kind of like a punch in the gut demanding you hand over your lunch money for less of an experience.
Yea you need to get an ethernet port seperately.
I guess in a way they tried to dumbify it as much as possible, but it still sucks.
Well its just an extra $25. Prolly much cheaper than installing it on every router itself
I searched it up and apparently the high performance models have way better compatibility.
Im not sure why its like that lmfao
That router doesn't host website like any other does? Imagine installing an app to configure your router, what a joke.
Whenever my internet is messed up Ookla speedtest says my ping is 0. I think if it can't connect quick enough it times out and just says 0, instead of putting an error up for whatever reason.
lul his ping is that high
He could have just pinged dns.google, his own VPS and maybe a few other hosts to see what the ping time roughly is
and if it's screwing up the ping, what makes him think it's not giving false results on the speed?
@@mskiptr I get 0ms on speedtest and when I ping google manually from the command line I get "
I think that starlink sells an adapter to add a ethernet port if you want it.
As far as I have heard, they are giving you the shittiest router because they need to reduce capital costs because the whole systems is not profitable yet, which given that it is a beta, I think is understandable.
Ethernet (or actually PoE) _but with a different plug_ does not lower the costs lol
@@mskiptr to be fair 8P8C modular connectors are terrible for outdoor applications. Of course that doesn’t excuse them from using a nonstandard connector, they could have gone with IEC 61076-2-109 M12 instead.
They sell the ethernet adaptor cheap. There's a lot of dim bulbs out there that just need someone to hold their hand to figure stuff out because otherwise it gets "annoying".
Yeah, he has stated that he's losing money on every unit sold as it is but the entitled are going to cry until they get someone to wipe their butt for them. They want it sent out as a full mesh system or they'll throw a fit.
Old vs New...
I have the older round version. I don't know if they are the same for this.
Mine has/had the worthless router (although mine did have one lan port) but you don't want to use it anyway.
Again on the old version, it had a brick with a wire running to the dish and another running to the router. The port that ran to the router is just a POE Lan/Wan port.
I unplugged the router from the brick and plugged my choice of router into it.
I prefer wired connections where it's available anyway but then for wireless you can use a real router that will give you a decent signal.
If this newer version is setup the same then I would absolutely do your own router.
Keep in mind you still won't be able to do port forwarding because starlink uses CGNAT.
There are ways around it but they aren't as easy as I would like.
The phone app thing...I'm on android but assume the apple stuff has the same features. There are three things it's good for. It shows the area that should be open for the dish. It has a stats section that will show the outages and the type which is informative. It allows you to setup the WIFI on the router. Since I don't use their router the last one doesn't matter to me.
Actually all three don't matter to me as you can get the same info (except I don't think you can do the WIFI setup) from any computer connected with a web browser. Just go to 192.168.100.1. They have something hard coded to take you to their stats screen.
The stats page is one thing you have to work around with your own router. There are several you tube videos on how to get it to work with your own router...
In the Netherlands you get 50Mbit/s (up+down) of actual internet speed for €30. For €50 you can get 200+ Mb/s down 20Mb/s upload. The rest of western Europe has slightly higher prices, but still well below €100.
In the post soviet countries that are not part of the EU, you have similar coverage and speeds, at one 3rd the price of western Europe.
U.S. consumers rights are just pretty unfortunate.
Explain to the folks at home how much your electricity and gas prices have risen in the past year.
Your prices are also only available in the slums and not in the few areas that you could call rural.
@@otten5666 So you're basically just proving my point:
1) Countries in western Europe have affordable internet despite being high wage countries with high prices.
2) European countries have more taxes on energy resources than the US, but at least tax payer money is actually used to help people in need.
3) Internet service doesn't depend on oil prices, and oil prices don't correlate to consumer protection laws. And if there is any correlation, then internet should be cheaper if you have cheaper electricity prices.
4) In rural Russia you can get sattelite internet from trikolor (with no data cap) at 10-5 Mb/s for $23, and 40-10 Mb/s for 63$, Gazprom offers sattelite internet 100-10Mb/s for 37$ with a 20GB data cap; but most Russian villages have cabled or mobile internet.
@@sasjadevries You are misunderstanding. You have affordable fast internet in your urban area's because of your government's decisions. These same decisions have you pay 50% more for your gas and electricity than a year before.
Good for you to enjoy the crumbs of a failing government while paying absurd amounts every time you fill up your car or turn on your heater. I guess if you don't have a car and spend your time browsing meme's it's a good trade off.
@@otten5666 Nope, you are misunderstanding.
European ISPs aren't subsidized or anything, and they are making big profits; it just takes a competitive market to get affordable internet, you don't have to make sacrifices to get cheap internet.
The costs of energy is a different topic.
In the US you have suburbs and big distances to travel; in the EU stores and job locations are spread out more evenly, so you don't need to travel as far (compared to a US city/town/village of similar size), and there is more public transport. In Europe you get job stalibity, education and healthcare in excange for some of the taxes you pay.
Your net income and buying power kinda boils down to similar numbers, but you just have less financial risks in Europe, and a lower likelyhood to get ripped off.
Now, in Russia you have similar laws to Europe, and they have both with cheap energy prices, cheap public transport and cheap internet; that too can be done.
I do like driving cars, and I do own one; but I appreciate the existance of public transport. I mean with good public transport, you don't need to own a car if you're not a carguy, hence there will be less bad/uninvolved drivers on the road. Europeans don't buy a car because they need to, but because they want to.
The bottom line is: European laws overall make a lot of sense, and the model does just work out.
Obviously there is enough room for improvement (as in any country), but European govts certainly aren't failing: they don't have a 30 trillion$ state debt, and they don't have mass looting.
It helps on the costs to run fibre when entire countries in Europe are smaller than a lot of STATES.....
Phone and internet in thr US is atrociously expensive for crappy service. I am so glad we have quality and cheap services in India. It was a shock coming back to India
Good morning sir. Everything is cheaper in India.
@@AndalusianLuis good morning sir
Old thinkpads wifi card is probably pretty weak you know, laptops and their bios blacklists makes upgrading those a pain.
Starlink is almost fully government subsidized and not economically viable by itself. Nor can it ever be.
But it just werks.
@@CrazyMineCuber Just look at the amount of money it costs to launch these satellites (They only orbit a few years), then you look at how many users they would need to just cover that cost to be competitive, then look at how congested the network would be if there were that many users on it (way too many to be competitive).
@@バカ-l9o Source's? It sounds like you are spouting your own opinion
Couldn't you say the same thing sbiut internet or cell phones in there beta phase?
Why would the government subsidize something that actively undermines their control over existent ISPs that need to get government concessions to be able to operate in any given country lol i've heard of the German subsidy, but that's for customers not for SpaceX itself, the Germans are just subsidizing the purchase of Starlink devices for rural citizens who can't otherwise get good internet but they're not funding the development of Starlink that's entirely self-funded by SpaceX
Luke this isn't how you test wifi signal strength. Your laptop likely cant do more than a 40mhz bond to the router because the wifi card is older.
You need to use software to report the dbM value of the wifi ssid. You can do this on your phone and walk around the house, there should be no noticeable difference in speeds and signal reliability until that number falls below ~-65dbM
What software do you recommend for this?
I soyfaced so much looking at how badly designed this product is
Make a better one then.
On pricing I don't think you're so spot on: where i live, getting fiber to the cabinet internet at 50-100 MBit/s costs about 70 bucks upfront + 30 bucks a month. So i don't think your opinion of "most of the world" internet price/quality ratio is so accurate
You must live in a relatively large city for prices like those
@@justman412 nah i live in an Italian town with ~25k inhabitants
I pay $45 a month for 5 MBits where I live.
...what's worse is the houses that are about a block away get like 50 MBits for the same price.
I pay 9.90e/mo for 200 down 80 up
When I visited Italy it was difficult to tell when I'm leaving the city and entering some village since it felt more like some suburb than a separate village.
I received my dish about 3 weeks ago. For anyone interested in latency, in my case at least it pings only about 10ms higher than when I had DSL (early dsl before it was left to rot). At the moment the second constellation nor the third are in place to my knowledge. I mention that because there are several very brief disconnections and maybe 2 10-30 second ones per day. Once more satellites are up I imagine the stability will improve.
This sounds like Apple.. Except that they "simplify" it 10 times more.
Yes, sure grandpa loves it, but not everyone are grandpas...
@_____
It's a common trend across all of their engineering, be it the cockpit of a self-flying rocket from spaceX, or attempting to repair an electric car. The conclusion here is that the philosophy behind this is... unnecessary.
Imagine getting the beta package and not the sigma package, kinda cringe
How about plugging the dish directly into a pfsense firewall? Then creating your own network. I've heard that's doable.
propietary plug, not a standard ethernet plug, they charge around $70 extra for that.
That's exactly what I did but it was the old round dish...
I got starlink about a month ago and recieved a dishy v1, with dishy v1 you can connect it straight to your own router. With that I used a router with openwrt on it, the dishy v1 was pretty much plug and play. Too bad you got the dishy v2 however.
wow saying 'dishy' seems like a very punchable offense
Dishy ver.2 is also idiot proof plug & play. You just can't get "annoyed" at every little thing though. Life is hard, you gotta adapt and overcome. Sounds like he's making everything harder than it needs to be.
Seems like v2 exists solely to prevent people from doing just that.
Hopefully they don't go the starband route where the 180 modem was everything you needed but they forced you to replace that with the 360 which was a winmodem. They made you send the 180 back too which many felt meant they actually had plans to use them for a project they could charge more for.
Early video i saw on this a guy had it going to his pfsense box directly
It looked awesome
In my country I pay $32 for 250 MB download and 15 MB upload with 11 ms ping. I am speechless by the prices you have to pay. Why? how do you justify that kind of price?
I was paying $89/month for Frontier dsl. It's 1.1mbps down on a good day but it's the only game in town. This is a lifechanger for people in rural areas.
You will only get 2MB/s with $30 in my country
America sucks
American ISPs are legal monopolies they can basically charge whatever they want, it's obnoxious
You'll need another router, preferably with DD-WRT, and setup it up as an AP or bridge. Just like every ISP gives you a modem that doubles as a terrible router so you supply your own router if you want good coverage or just half decent control over your network.
X220 caps at 50mbps wifi. My X230 was the same. Buy a newer laptop, upgrade the wifi card, or use ethernet. That's not the fault of the router.
_or use ethernet_
yeah, I'm baffled by him saying that moving a meter away gives you a fifth of the speed lol
@@TwizzElishus the product is not profitable, no way to add ethernet at this beta stage
Ethernet was omitted for durability. See my other comment. Starlink sells an Ethernet module for 25 bucks
@@josipX except v1 did had an ethernet port
One thing I've been wondering since forever:
In some european countries including my home germany, internet customers have got what's called "Router freedom", which means that the internet provider must give the opportunity to customers to use alternative routers. Does starlink abide by this?
luke why did you get the soylink? i can see from a mile away a camera inside that router looking at your soul and the glowies now have your location with that antenna. you should have connected you ethernet cable to mycelium instead, now that is the only network without any glowies
Based and tedpilled.
I recently bought a mid-range Linksys router to discover that not only does it require an app, but that app has less features than the settings page of the 10 year old router it was replacing. I guess now you need to pay out the nose for enterprise grade routers to have access to what used to be pretty standard features...
Nah, just set up pfSense
Good. Tech should have less features imo. It should be way more simpler
Maybe you already know it, but for those who don't know, an ethernet adapter is available for separate purchase at their website (i think it's $20).
Recently I got a mesh network kit and in order to set it up, the only thing the "manual" said was to use the app. Thankfully, I could go to the local IP for it, but I feel like in a few years, more and more tech will be going for the apps. Guess I'll be keeping all of my current networking hardware forever.
$100 a month and $500 for equipment all for maybe 100-200 mbps down, seems kinda steep for me, I pay significantly less and I get triple in my speeds than what I've seen so far in this video. But if you live in a more rural location, it might be a smart investment, I guess if its your last resort.
If you live in a rural county that has something like a Touchstone Electric Coop, they are all connecting their grids with fiber, and as a benefit they are offering internet. I will have to wait 3-5 years for it, but eventually I will be able to get 1 Gbps for $79.99
The worst part about the Gen2 router's lack of ethernet is that the $20 adapter can only be used in "bypass mode." In short, the Starlink router MUST be a part of your network even if you don't want it. Allegedly the router firmware is based on OpenWRT but the fact that Starlink hasn't GPL'd (or even soy licensed) their additions means there might be some nefarious shit in there.
Oh, and the ethernet adapter is backordered. My Starlink got here this week after a 1 year waiting period yet I'm using a Raspberry Pi and forwarding WiFi to my wired network over DHCP. What a joke.
The Starlink app does have GSF dependencies, namely location for the obstruction finder, but seems to work okay otherwise on LineageOS and Graphene. IIRC you can access the dish directly from 192.168.1.100, even with your own networking equipment, but not sure if you can change the SSID or password from there.
You can reset the password on the mobile app, or by holding down the reset switch beeneth the router until it changes color. Still sucks that it cannot reach longer though.
The same shit is with the Solar inverters, they give you pretty much nothing, and if you want to connect or see the production logs you need to install a crapy cellphone app that absolutely spy on you, so I put several hours head to head and build my own app for pc to monitor the produced/consumed power, don't know if can be the case for Starlink, maybe they remove any hard connect to the device to avoid people bypass their login, is forcing users link the device to their identity thru app/login.
Could it be to keep the network from being overused, like cut the ways they can "abuse" the internet and we can ship to more devices. If you cant use ethernet and wifi for more than 1 meter, then the internet usage will exponentially drop, compared to a normal router. So maybe this could be a scaling solution? Like the package is intended as limited, because a basic router has all the basic things, but the thing is, even though it's a router, it's not a router in the common sense, the way its connected to the rest of the world is different, which has i guess you could call it optimization engineering, so calling it a router is a reference to what people already are accustomed to, not necessarily what it is, based on the way it works. This is my take on maybe why it is like that.
It's gotta all be about money.
@@user-zu1ix3yq2w of course
That’d be a bad way to do it imo
@@sharpieman2035it still gives network profit margin for free, and it scales. And second, why would they do it like the way they did instead of what everybody already is accostumed to? There has to be a reason
Honestly those wifi speeds are really good. It's clearly running in 5 GHz mode which is BLAZING fast but it can get interrupted by practically anything.
I'd recommend setting up the router in a high enough place or purchasing some repeaters (preferably with an ethernet plug) and installing them on your ceeling.
Or if you want to go the cheap route you can slow it down to 2.4 GHz which will be slower but it will allow it to cross some thiner walls (cca 5 to 10 cm)
You can access all of these settings and more by going into the configuration site of your router.
Here's a quote from the user manual: "Access the Router Admin Portal by entering this IP address into a browser: 192.168.1.1."
Hope that helps!
12:44 That's kinda like Comcast/Xfinity does it. With their router they provide you use a phone app to set it up and you can like change settings with it. The most ridiculous things is that you also do port forward in the app and like 90% of the time it craps out on you. Also it's pretty scary because it's not like the app communicates over the local network, but instead the router receives the configuration via the internet meaning that they have an open back door that could technically be exploited if anyone ever founds out a vulnerability. I seriously recommend for most people to just buy your own router: you'll skip over the $14 equipment fee and it gives you a heck-of-a-lot more control if you ever need it.
Appaz there is a reset button somewhere on the bottom of the device. Press that, and it should present the default interface again. Or you have to reconnect.
Dude... I live in rural North FL and the closest cell towers are 4 miles away. I have a little device that gets me LTE data at 30/30 on the best days... 20/20 on most. I have a pre-paid unlimited data sim in there for $60/month and have not been throttled. Yeah, playing an MMO is annoying, but I have at least 8 devices on my router and can stream all day, connect to all my VPSes, and do all the video conference calls my work demands with very little issues.
Thanks to this video, I'm cancelling my Starlink order... I had the original pre-ordered for about a year now- not the Premium- and I saw this morning they cut the speed to it. I'd rather get fiber at 1200/month for 300/300 than pay 500 a month for 100/15 and shitty hardware.
*$100/month
good god I hope you mean 120 a month and not 1200
Good choice
Your phone isn't focusing properly because it's not seeing enough contrast to focus. If it sees nearly blank paper or nearly white sky there's not enough contrasting details for it to grab.
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There's gotta be a way of using a third party router right?
Damn, this just reminded me how good we have it here in my country with internet and how grateful I am for it. I pay around 9 USD a month for 1 Gbps fiber that's actually good. And they also plan on adding 10 Gbps for about the same money sometime this year.
Wanna rent me a box on your LAN? Which country is this, Lithuania?
@@evanesoteric Romania. We lack many things, but internet, thankfully, it's not one of them
@@amshel9029 Yeah but Bucharest isn’t the countryside, and I imagine you live in a city.
Also I’ve seen images of all the cables hanging around, have they been fixed or at least covered up yet?
@@Madeguydo Nah, not only Bucharest, in every city and since a few years back, even in the countryside. For example, my parents house from a random rural village in the North East part of the country have the same kind of internet: 1 Gbps max for the same price, and there are even 2 providers available there which you can choose from.
Regarding cables... Well, in the big cities I've seen some cables be put underground when they renovated the whole streets, but that's it, isolated cases AFAIK. There's still lots of cables hanging around.
@@amshel9029 Nice, I'm from Italy and here in the countryside it's still the dark ages as far as internet speed is concerned, for example I'm from northern tuscany and we have 65 Mbit/s speeds AVERAGE while most regions hover around 40.
1Gbps in rural areas is complete fantasy in less affluent regions unfortunately, but that's probably because the government doesn't give a shit about south of Rome or whoever doesn't live in a big city.
I mean 1Gbps wasn't even available in a city with 200k population near me up until 2019.
Madness.
I'm sorry, while I agree that not having an Ethernet port is stupid, and starlink's ap may be bad, but that's just the Thinkpad's wireless card being trash. If you don't wanna change the Thinkpad's wireless card (wifi 6 cards are pretty cheap nowadays) , you can connect your Android phone to the wifi, and using USB tethering to your laptop, and it will kinda act like a USB wifi card. (Make sure you disable your mobile data)
the cell phone one room away still had shit speeds
@@bbseal6174 that's one thing, I didn't say it's a great ap, just saying the difference between the phone's and laptop's speeds isn't due to distance, rather caused by different wifi cards. I can get 800/900 Mbit/s while creating a wifi 6 hotspot on my 5g phone and using a wifi 6 laptop. In the specific case showed in the video the laptop's wifi card is just bad
Ethernet is way more consistent, people lirerally ban Wi-Fi users from online tournaments.
Why don't you buy an Wi-Fi repeater/extensor to connect to the Starlink Router, so it can spread the signal through your whole house? I mean, maybe it has more efficiency spreading the signal. I don't know '-'
You might Check Amazon for a AC600 dual band USN adapter for your computer. The ac600 comes with drives. If you still have a CD reader it is a fast set up. You can find a USB CD reader on amazon.. It possibly is your laptop not the Star Link Router. I get the same speed 30 feet away with my Star link. You are not suppose to touch the surface of your satellite terminal. (dish).
I was gonna post the same thing. If he doesn't have at least ac over 5Ghz, he isn't going to get the speeds he is getting on his phone. So, it doesn't matter how close his laptop is to the wifi router if he doesn't have a fast wifi adapter. In addition, if he is using a usb adapter and the laptop has older usb, that will further limit what he sees.
I’m probably gonna have to end up getting this myself, it’s cheaper and higher speed and doesn’t have a 50 gig data cap like my current ISP. But not having an Ethernet port is a real dealbreaker for me, I built my PC without wifi because I knew I was going to have it wired in the whole time. Why? Because it works better. Unless there’s some way to add that functionality or ideally, use another router completely with custom firmware I won’t be able to use this.
You could buy the adapter
@@GhostofTradition Yep, $20 and you're golden
1. Reverse engineer Starlink app
2. Create alternative desktop app?
There are plenty 3rd world countries with fast internet far cheaper than 100$/month, it's just that coverage in rural America is especially terrible to this day, and competition is basically non-existent.
I don't know about the rest but I live in Mozambique and my cable internet costs about 50$ a month with a downloading speed of 2 Mbps.
you could use a Mesh Network to distribute the internet connection around.
I found the ethernet port!
You gotto cut the cable and get a compatible POE power injector though :/ Also its not normal POE wiring, so you have to make your own crossover cables.
After plugging it directly in to my network its showing full duplex gigabit ethernet, and pings dropped by 20-30ms! I'm hoping as more sats are launched I see bandwidth closer to 350mbps or above.
What about weather? Do you not have Wi-Fi when it's raining?
You made a comment that "If you have easy access to fast internet you're probs just a brat," Wow have you been isolated from the rest of society. I have lived in many third world countries from cameroon to indonesia, travelled to many other countries all across the first, second, and third world. Unless the country is currently at war or run by a crazy dictator, it's possible to get north of 10mb/s, which for me is perfectly fine. I'm currently in one of those evil cities right now in europe, and my housemates and I share the second worst internet package that's offered it sits at 50mb/s and roughly 15up.
Living in the US and using that as a reference point is not being isolated from society. Not everyone enjoys being a tourist and using their holiday experience to virtue signal in RUclips comments.
EXACTLY ! That crAPP everyone try to push on you is so annoying. What if i dont even have damn phone and i probably not if i live in middle of nowhere without reception if i need satellite internet in the first place.
Can the router be bridged so you can use your own?
edit: No Ethernet port. NVM..
It's evolving, just backwards.
Here are some of my measurements, just as a comparison (not Starlink, regular optical internet).
On my X220 I have a speed of 98 Mbps down and 19 up with ping 2 thorough a wired connection and around 85 down and 19 up with ping 5 through Wi-Fi. The router is about 4m from the laptop.
The router also has 5G Wi-Fi to which the X220 can't connect but my phone can and it gets 94 down and 19 up, ping 2 at the same distance.
starlink and elon musk's satellites are the mark of the beast
Do you have to pay 100$ every month or you can choose which months you want to use the service? If it's reliable it is great for digital nomads since they can basically use it only when they are off road for a month or two. If there is some pay-per-use model I would actually consider investing in the device.
Your internet is literally 8 times as fast as my rural ASDL internet
Regarding wireless reception indoors, couldn't you use signal boosters/extenders?
Literally? Seriously? Honestly? Literally?
I am glad you inserted that 'literally' in there. Really gives weight to your comment and makes me take you seriously.
@@otten5666 he's definitely NOT gay
@@Pooles1738 He is literally not gay.
buy a router, change it repeater/extender mode then use the ethernet cable. easy
I live in rural Appalachia and have mine on the way. We'll see how it works out in my valley.
As long as it's not some proprietary modem, then you can use any modem-router setup you want and toss that thing in the garbage. Literally any modem-router you use will work fine, As long as you have the access to edit your Protocol account the device is pretty irrelevant. 500$ for that satellite without the device is still pretty reasonable in my eyes, and the modem/router is literally just bare essentials if you don't have anything else. If it is a special modem, then you can absolutely still use your own router and disable the built in router.
Why are people calling this soylink? My dad lived in a place with no internet at all and bad cell service. He got starlink and it's live changing for him.
In Argentina internet is around 10 dollars, so yeah, no, 100 bucks is a lot in a whole lot of the world. especially when you make 400 a month
I pay $50 for my home internet. You get the router, a power cable, and an ethernet cable. You don't have to set anything up. Just set everything up through the app. And the router is easy to understand
This is really easy too as long as you know how to download the app. Sounds like someone needs to show him a few things to get him going is all.
I will defend the Starlink router by saying that it being designed this way means it's water resistant and durable.
Which is important if it's to be used in harsh environments like camp sites or campers or thrown around. Buy the ethernet module for 30 bucks pleb
EDIT: the old receiver has an ethernet port. It also uses twice the electricity and is slower. Starlink uses a lot of electricity (50-90W).
Yey, more space junk.
Thats a cap
ALREADY CONSOOOOOOMED ON PEERTUBE!
The light is underneath because who WANTS to see another light in their room? I agree with everything else though and the whole "oversimplify everything" mindset is hilariously bad.
You may try Aurora to install APKs. It's backed by Calyx OS. A degoogled android replacement
yes agreed
@@drishalballaney6590 cool to see another calyx OS user here. Which pixel are you on?
@@maximus6884 nah I am not using calyx, not available for my device (mi 11x)
Instead i am using ArrowOS with microg
@Vornamed Nachnamed Aurora Store is the play store alternative
and Aurora Droid is an f-droid client
Thank god that ISPs are investing on fiber these days. Imagine if this came before they decided to go from copper and coaxial to fiber.
Yeah it should have ethernet. Or come with repeaters. I need to get a repeater in my small 2 bedroom apartment. My cell signal is much better than my Starry router from my bedroom for some reason.
Which credit provider did you defraud this time to get your Starlink equipment?
Satellite internet is a terrible idea both with LEO's (as in the case of Startlink), as well as with GeoStats. Oh and btw ... Starlink just Doubled the price of their service a couple of month ago ... annoying more expensive ...
If you could have line of sight to some mountaintops you would get Much better internet by making a couple of bridges to the nearest Town or place with high bandwidth. ... just saying ... look for long range wifi ... ubiquity is known to have some 15miles links that can be powered with solar panels in remote locations ... and they can Chain Link Multiple bridges between very very long distances.
Instructions be like: *uga booga, no english*
Should have included latin
Why not use Aurora Store?
Btw, I agree with you that the router sucks
Can't you connect a different brand router to it?
phone is most likely wireless AC/N and that laptop is wireless G or N which is limited and maybe only on the 2.4ghz.
$40 Solution is get a wireless AC bridge and then connect that bridge to your router or network on good networking great with separate APs Etc.
Does starlink has dual band? Aka 2.4 and 5G.
I was having a similar problem with an old laptop vs my phone, It turns out the laptop was only able to use 2.4 band that has a limit of 60 mbps the phone with 5G was able to get 100+ mbps
It does
Looks like there’s an Ethernet port adapter you can buy (I’m guessing it plugs into the PoE the router uses).
Let him figure it out for himself. Can't just make a whiny youtube video just so people will teach you stuff your whole life.
Is that instruction pamphlet good enough to be used as a mouse-pad?
"in most of the world"
actually most of the world has decent internet now. suvks to live in parts where there is no good internet options available but by now that is not the majority of places. NA ISPs just suck
I'm sure it's not tracking you in any conceivable way, don't worry about it