Reform UK 'Set Out To Take Down The Tories' | Isabel Oakeshott On Nigel Farage's Progress
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Isabel Oakeshott says the performance of Reform UK across the country has "astonished" everybody locally, adding it's the "foundation" for the party.
"They set out unashamedly to take down the Conservatives, that's what the party wanted!"
Reform UK had won four seats after its leader Nigel Farage said in a speech in Clacton, Essex: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”
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I voted with my Head, I voted with my Heart, I proudly voted Reform
Putin's party of choice.
@@Andrew-tx9jy What's Putin got to do with it. Reform is blatantly pro British. Put Britain first, always
Who cares what Putin’s party of choice is?
@@Andrew-tx9jy surely Putin's party of choice is Labour being as they are corrupt and communist like him
@@Andrew-tx9jy Troll along
Reform UK got 4,051,969 votes but only 4 seats, Liberal Democrat got 3,451,969 votes and 70 seats in Parliament, what a great system we have in the UK.
Same sort of result as UKIP vs SNP in 2015. Ten years and the stupidity continues.
It makes no sense unless you are the parties who gain by it.
Voting sistum is rigged for this country is unbelievable so wrong wrong sistum
This is exactly the point i am trying to express ..non of the media are reporting this incredible achievment ...thanks for giving these figures
@@michaeldoolan7595 the system is designed to keep the 2 party system
UK decline began with Tony Blair. He should be deeply ashamed and maybe in prison.
Tony Blair destroyed the fabric of this country, mass immigration, took us into an illegal war, brought national and international Islamic terrorism to our shores, broke up the UK with devaluation, mass university attendances dolling out Mickey Mouse degrees, messed up the NHS, sold all our gold reserves and his government left the country bankrupt. Great job Tony your a traitor and damaged this country beyond repair.
Very well said!
No maybe about it
He made UK into a German province
Nonsense, it started with Thatcher.
Congratulations Nigel! We now have a glimmer of hope on this dark day for Britain under Labour
Labour won't last long when people realise what they actually want to do to the country.
@@AT-bq1kg They can't make things better but can certainly make things worse.
Ditto
They're all the same ,even Farage ,if he or anyone else is pm they'll do the big banks/corporations bidding. 😮
Well done Reform .
Starmer thinks he won; but the real winner today is Nigel Farage.
...and whoever voted REFORM!!
He's deluded
Farage won nothing.Labour are in charge suck it up
Only 1 in 3 of the votes cast.
👍💪👏
Lets keep the Reform movement going. Next stop Labour. Enough is enough.
Reform will fizzle out like UKIP did after Farage told them to vote Tory as they are the only party that could deliver Brexit and then spent the next 6 years moaning about it and them.
He is like a mischievous school kid who probably would hate any sense of responsibility.
If they go with unfunded tax cuts twice as bad as truss frappage will end up the same way I cannot believe how stupid pensioners are
The country voted Right, overwhelmingly between Conservatives and Reform.
It’s the most unpopular Labour government in history.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves mate, we need to cement the decline of the Tory party first 😉
They made big in roads in the North. The wall is cracking
❤ from Northeast England ❤️
WELL DONE REFORM 👍👍👍🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🩵🩵🩵🇬🇧
Reform is a joke, they will be just like UKIP, they will never get the votes, Labour will turn UK into an Islamic state "Allah u Akbar"
For what? They lost. 5 years of Labour coming, ENJOY!
@@Andrew-tx9jy So what? Both Cons and Lab are high tax, high immigration, woke lefty parties. Now Reform has a foot in the door, genuine conservatives like me finally have a real centre-right option to root for.
@@Andrew-tx9jywe will enjoy the next five years of labour because things are going to get that bad it should cause all the sheep to wake up. The uk is just 4/5 years behind the USA look what the last 4 years of the American equivalent to labour has done. All coming to the UK very soon an then people will wake up an vote for the change needed
@@Andrew-tx9jy Just Farage in the house highlighting Starmer's pro immigration policies is enough..........he won't get a clear run at it.........Farage will see to that!
Congratulations Mr. Farage! Be strong and of good courage! Well done!
Yes well done Reform glad to see conservatives gone .
Reform is a joke, they will be just like UKIP, they will never get the votes, Labour will turn UK into an Islamic state "Allah u Akbar"
He IS strong and of good character and a BRAVE man.
Well done everyone who voted REFORM UK 😊
Thank you! You’re welcome.
Well done everybody who voted reform
BOYCOTT BBC AND SKY TV
I will not pay I do not watch live TV and I’m not paying even though I get a threatening letter once a week
Hope they arrive at my door they keep threatening
@@kimhoward2112...Stop telling lies ..If you don't watch live TV you only have to contact BBC or go online and fill a form in and then you do not have to pay the TV licence and that's the end of it ...Your watching live tv and just not paying your licence that's why they are threatening you ..😂😂😂😂😂😂
and chn 4
Defund the bbc...now
absolutely: the jimmy saville channel and the weapons of mass destruction channel.
Nigel for prime minister 🏴🇬🇧♥️✝️⚔️
Let's hope not mate because reform is a company and frappage wants to get rich crashing the economy with trusstnpmics only twice as fast,in fact mate I am so sick of poorly educated fascist pensioners that I work in Madrid earning rather more the nearest mp
HOW ????
Well done to all the people who voted reform. We must build this for 2029😊
😁👍🇬🇧
The number if witless fascwho have absolutely no idea what frappage is upto with his company, he wants to rerun trussynonmics and get rich crashing the economy again
It's too late. Labor will open doors to mass migration and accelerated path to citizenship. It's over.
Reform 4 million votes - 4 MP's.
Lib Dem 3.4 million votes - 71 MP's.
Aint that weird?
If that true it clearly indicates our voting system needs to change. Starmer said he was in favour of a change to the voting system ( when he was in Opposition). Let’s see what he does now he’s PM.
But will Nigel Farage call for Proportional Representation? No he will not!
@@MrGraemeb2022 Starmer and Labour will not change the system, more likely they will try to alter things to keep themselves in power - for instance if they think that 16 year olds will vote labour we can expect the voting age to be lowered
@@Batters56 He already has.
@@Batters56so why did he already call for it in June
I genuinely fear for this country now that Labour are at the wheel. God help us.
But they are gonna get hell from Nigel .
Fear what exactly ? nothing changes ,people arrive on boats every day as they have for FOURTEEN YEARS . puzzles me why no one just never asked any of them why cant you just deport these people like the rest of the EU can ?
Don't worry kid. Klaus Schwarb was in charge yesterday, and he'll be in charge tomorrow
@@deecook9638 you mean Nigel and his huge Parliamentary army?
It makes me feel physically sick Especially after listening to Sadiq Khan on labour’s plans.
Farage is in finally at last now we shall go after Labour I am very happy
You are a moron who breathes through his mouth reading the daily wail, reform is a company, frappage wants to get rich crashing the economy rerunning trussynomics,only twice as bad
With a racist leader and four seats. Get a life and grow up.
Nigel is the real PM and will be next PM and save our country get our country back.🏴🇬🇧
POLLS SAY OTHERWISE UNFORTUNATLY
This is the start.
@@NellyTheG19 Reform had half as many voters as Labour. unfortunately we have not PR .... yet
In what delusional world do you live?
Where is your country, who took it, when, have you reported it. You got it back 2016, 8 years and you've lost it?
Congratulations Reform.
Oacenshot works at the same far right think tank as frappage, frappage wants to rerun trussynomics and crash the economy twice as hard as truss
I voted reform and i will again at the next election. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇮🇱
That's if they are still around !!
What's the betting there will be a Reform company come the next GE, it will be a part of the Tory party just as UKIP and Brexit party did.
@@mikewilson8513 I thought that too. I generally don't do politricks but Farage said he had a 5yr plan.
@@briandoherty3249 And you believe an habitual liar like Fage ? Clacton will have had enough of him in 5 years time.
He had a 'plan' when he advocated leaving the EU. Look what a crock of s**t that has turned out to be.
Sunak did THIS by doing NOTHING....pathetic deliberate betrayal of this once great country
They all did this. Starting with the traitor Boris . As a life long conservative voter I can honestly say they didn’t deserve loyalty. I voted Reform and I’ll do it again if I get the chance . Bravo Nigel and Richard 👏👏👏
Agreed! But he had a lot of help from his weak, inept cohorts.
@@stephenhaywood5672 Likewise my friend. Looking forward to 2029.
Labour voted against the Rwanda scheme.
@@dragonfly6908 Let’s see what they are going to do as an alternative - Starmer never once told us!
Well done Reform 😊
Good luck to Reform, keep working for us
Congratulations to Richard Tice, well deserved for all his hard work.
Well done REFORM.
Wendy you are yet another elderly moron, reform is a company, frappage wants to get rich crashing the economy with trussynonmics only twice as bad,learn to read and write it might help
Well done Nigel and Reform, we have a glimmer of hope, they got my 1st ever vote!!!
In my town Labour won with 13k, Reform got nearly 9k. I voted Reform. Plenty to play for.
@jfro5867 Those 13k are all clueless, brainwashed, and braindead!! Nobody can help them !!
And so the battle begins. Well done Reform UK.
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Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 🤦 of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
Thanks to my co-worker (Alex) who suggested Ms Christy Fiore.
She's a licensed broker in the states 🇺🇸
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.
Wow that's nice She makes you that much!! please is there a way to reach her services, I work 3 jobs and trying to pay off my debts for a while now!! Please help me.
Will msm continue to ignore and negate Reform… ..? Congrats Reform knew in my heart you would make it…!!! 🇬🇧✝️
That is their job, propaganda for the establishment.
The BBC and the rest will spend the next four years reporting only good things about Labour and disparaging Reform where they cannot ignore them.
Yes they will 😩
Probably since frappage has been on bbc more times than ent other so called politician sadly he's conning elderly morons who cannot read,he wants to rerun trussynomics only twice as bad
Oh did they win I did t know that
Yes Sir, Reform can boogie.
Dream on…They handed it to Labour….
@@michaellabram5980 The Conservatives did that, if they had just put the country before their own self serving interests and stepped aside for Reform in key seats..oh well. 🎉🎉
Well done Reform! We really do need to change the system to PR. 🇬🇧
Huge congrats to Nigel, Richard, Lee, Ben and their colleagues! 👏😀👍🍾
No mention of Benjamin Naeem Habib?
Agreed! And to concur with Lee’s acceptance speech, I too want ‘my country back’.
Well done Clacton,well done Nigel just a pity others didn't get off their Rs & vote reform instead of just moaning about the mess the countries in.
Yea my region is majority labour since forever, but I still got off my arse and voted reform.
When someone is robbed ,can't afford the bills can't get a doctors or dentist appointment r ped I truly want to know who they voted for.
Reform now and forever, I will never vote for any other 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Our electoral system is mad. Labour only get a third of the vote and have a landslide. Their vote has only gone up by 2% from 2019 when they were pretty much wiped out. Reform got four million votes and are the third biggest party but only get four seats. Oh well, let the Labour catastrophe unfold.
Brilliant news congratulations Nigel now the only way is forward 🎉
The Tories must be replaced by a patriotic party.
They just have been. Have you not watched the TV for the last 24 hours ?
I have to say a big thank you to Isabel for her balanced views on this election.
Balanced? Haha, come on man
@NapoleonicWargaming I bet you think the BBC is balanced right 😂
@@NapoleonicWargamingWell her boyfriend is Richard Tice she gave it her best 😅
Balanced ? What Oakeshott ? suggest you look up the word on google !
@@mikewilson8513 You may not like it but not everyone in media is full of hatred, intolerance and bigotry.
Nigel isn't mesmeric...he speaks plain TRUTH
No you are a standard issue racist moron,reform wants to rerun trussynomics only twice as bad
No he doesn't. Never has done.
I’m still amazed at the number of seats Conservatives won!
Those who voted for them clearly live in a totally different country to me.
Well done Reform, great results achieved in a very short space of time.
Exactly. A huge section of our country must just vote out of habit and pay no attention to our country circling the drain.
Reform will smash it in ‘29.
Any one broken down at the road side won't be asked if they need assistance, first it may well be who you voted for.
@@thehammer9599not a cat in hells chance 4 seats proved that the British people do not want reform in power
Do you not get the message ? Deform and their odious nasty ways are not wanted.
@@thehammer9599that is exactly what a lot of people do.
Starmer and his MPs are re-elected despite the fact that they turned their backs on this country in the commons debates on the excessive deaths of British people. Starmer has also publicly declared that he prefers the WEF over our Westminster parliamentary systems. He also shuns the 'The Sun' newspaper (memories of Hillsborough then says how proud he is to have their support; I won't go into his protection of Saville when Starmer was head of the CPS. Surely it must be more than just a coincidence that Nigel Farage MP and his colleagues arrive at Westminster just as Starmer is about to take the PMs office and try to Govern this country?
Omg, he'll have to come off the fence and make a decision now he's PM ...won't he?!!!
Congratulations Nigel you deserve it we will get you one number 10 next time. 🥳🥳
Just how ? Getting a job as the door man ?
Congatulations to reform 👍the question should be the tories should have stepped down !!! Lets hope the party grows to represent working folk 🙏
God bless common folk
Congratulations To the Reform Party 🇬🇧 great to have some opposition, hopefully some of the true conservatives will defect to reform.
The current Conservative Party is a left leaning shower.
In 2019 it was the Brexit party which latee become the reform party, the Brexit party stood down in many seats allowing the conservatives to win a 80 seat majority, then the conservatives broke every promise they made, the conservatives have ignored the people and have now got what they deserve
I hope that Suella Braveman will do the right thing and join Reform. This woman had tried her best but like us all, she was let down by the PM.
She's got her eyes on leading the Tories. No chance she will give this up to be a subordinate in the Reform party.
You need real politicians like Suella Braverman in Reform,you most certainly don’t have very many at this moment in time.
Great news for reform I voted for reform 🎉🎉🎉🎉 Well done nigel and all the candidates for reform let's go after labour in parliament go reform !!!!!
Yes you are a standard issue moronic pensioner reform wants to rerun trussynomics only twice as bad Frank I give up with semiliterate fucking pensioners
Well done anyone who voted REFORM ! I spoke to so many voters who bottled it at the last minute ,, next time REFORM WIN !
Another Deform defeat excuse.
Rejoice Heroes 🍻🏴🇬🇧
With 4 seats ha 😂
@@nowgrownup Typical ignorant Anti West islamicommie Gleee
@@nowgrownup 5
Conservatives should be called liberal democrats Isobel 💯 reform is needed.
Since 97 we have had liberal socialists in charge 27 years and now look at the state of the country we have another 5 years liberal socialists but I am hopeful reform can get things changed.
Lol. We have a ridiculously right sided Government in power for a long time. You must be so to the right that you are rubbing shoulders with the Nazis
Isabel is amazing! She’s great at what she does…. Reform! Stage 1 done. Stage 2 commencing. I have campaigned hard in Wales and will continue to do so, so much encouragement I may stand and flip the script from ludicrous Labour to common sense Reform 🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧
If your house is on fire, you phone for a fire engine. Not if your the British public you don't.
They've just phoned for a plumber.
Only they have all gone back to Poland!
No you are a standard issue elderly moron,frappage wants to rerun trusstnomics only twice as bad
If only the Conservative MPs who knew they would lose their seat had repaid the favour to the Brexit Party when Nigel stood down candidates for Boris. Well done Reform just need Ben Habib to get in now and they will have the fab 4 .
Isabel for pm this woman don’t mess about. 😊
Mourdant lost her seat!
Gonna be a good day!😊
Penny is mightier than the sword,ok.
I voted Reform UK. Congratulations Nigel, Richard, Lee, Rupert. The journey begins, to every other party, we are coming for you
The awesome lsobel ❤❤❤
Reform couldn't take Torys down let alone Labour
@@theavengers01labour will show their true colours in power and their votes will drift back to parties which represent small C conservative voters.
@theavengers01 they're big beasts have overturned huge Tory majoritys Tices was one of the biggest in the country in Boston and Skegness
@@simongarthwaite7695 lol they won 4, on they already had. They lost over 600 races.
@@golfbulldog maybe but Reform is all out fash
Well done Reform UK ❤
FANTASTIC...NIGEL ...REFORM....
how in the hell could you vote for hunt, wtf
Same way as a bunch of muppets voted for Farage.
Everyone waiting for Reform to take a proper charge
I voted reform, I'm usually a Labour person.
As good as we can hope for, labour are in and I think that the damage and pain they will cause will make for a massive surge to the right in 28,29, Nigel has done it,so much respect to Richard Tice who was so astute,saw the big picture and stepped back,great political teamwork, beginning of a long haul to reclaim Britain,we have done it so many times through the centuries,it's just sad that this time the threat to our great nation comes from within,and some are even our own....
It's bogus to claim Reform helped Labour. I voted Reform, but if they were not an option, I would have simply stayed home and not voted at all.
Yet another in the eye for that LBC clown O'Brien who was adamant Reform would not win a single seat...
Odious little toad must be crying into his latte
I'm sure he's a closet tory
@@BarryR. Nah - he hates the Tories too. He has just never progressed from his university debating society years.
Now now, just go and find a quiet corner where nobody can hear you sobbing.
@@mikewilson8513 Ah, another left-wing prick who thinks he's funny....
Well done Reform, thank you to a fair and balanced discussion
🎉🎉🎉reform 🎉🎉🎉🎉
1 million more people voted for Reform than the Lib Dems !!!! Yet only 13 seats compared to Lib Dems 30+ ...This is WRONG ....on a grand scale ...we want change in the voting system !!!
Wrong reform won 4 seats and Liberal Democrats 71 seats and Conservative 118 seats 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Reform got x4 seats - the exit poll incorrectly predicted x13 (mores the pity!)
This is ESSENTIAL !!!!!!
Hope for us
with Reform ✌️💕
well done Reform ,we voted for change .
But it has in the name of the labour party..Maybe good maybe not time will tell 😂😂
So sad Ben Habib didn’t win a seat. I can’t believe he wasn’t given a safer seat. What a loss for Reform he is such an impressive man.
It won’t be over for him!
Can't believe it!! Where was the seat please?
@@phoenixrising6245Wellingborough
@@johannabarry4672 Thank you. ..still find it unbelievable!!
Agree
The game has not changed. Labour,. Conservative, same old same old.
Except that hopefully Reform's success has given the gruesome twosome a bit of a fright. My feeling is that no one voted for flip-flop Starmer - everyone is just sick of 14 years of the Tories and needed a change. Well done Nigel and Reform.
Love her - what a GOOD Journalist! 🇬🇧
Well done Reform UK........for those that support Labour It will take a while for them to realise just what they have done.Yes change will come..we will go from appalling Tories to diabolically bad Labour. .....Regrets on the way.
The British need to re-learn how to kneel and pray.
A 100% we do 😮
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*_John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth"._*
*Matthew 10:34* *_“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”_*
*_What's a anagram for sword? Yeah, that's "words"._*
*_Jesus never needed a sword, because he was the word._* ✝️
@@Human_Being__ Sounds like a labour voter
@@beachcaster56 *_HOW? What's wrong with been a Christian? Please explain._*
@@beachcaster56
*Well done to M.P. Mr Farage.* 👍
🔹 *_Our hospitality has been trampled on for far to long. Britαin is ours, fought for & protected by our ancestors so they we might have a future. Now we just give it away! Not on your nelly_* 🔹
🔹 *Reform & Reformers are realist's & are not rαcist's. We can't continue with this slow drip, drip, drip of Isl-αmisαtion of our Christiαn based society which was painstakingly built on the backs of our ancestors!* 🔹
We still haven’t been told very much about what the Labour Party’s plans are. They were always known for practising the politics of envy. Fingers crossed times have changed.
EXCELLENT..
We are doomed expect things to get a lot worse
Absolutely devastated, 5 years of hell ahead, Glad Nigel and Reform got plenty of votes 🗳 ❤
Nice coverage! The only thing I’d say that in Reform we don’t want any MPs to defect into Reform to save their seats. We want people who are passionate because they strongly believe in families, community and country.
Well said.
Well done, Nigel, I look forward to seeing you take on Starmer and his cronies
Where? Reform only got 4 MPs.
Hardly enough to fill a taxi let alone a parliamentary voting session.
Its a total disaster.
@@ljt3084 Farage will tie Starmer in knots in Parliament
Im gutted, I was praying for Reform to win!!
Seriously!!!?
Vote Reform Party
But late it's trying to lock the gate after the horse has bolted 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Reform so far has 4 top MP’s in Westminster! So many million votes but so few seats☹️ The next GE will be the real major breakthrough for Reform.
Mr Starmer, please remember that there is now no need to 'take the knee.'
This woman sounds like Maggie Thatcher.
looking at some of the results Reform had millions of votes still didn't give them more seats. Let's hope Reform work for us
If only the Conservative MP’s who knew they would lose their seat had stood aside for the Reform Candidate to repay the favour Nigel did when he stood down the Brexit candidates for Boris. Now need Ben Habib to get his seat and we will have the fab 4 in parliament. Well done Reform .
Labour. O M G.
It’s the will of the people. 🎉
Well done farage and tice. A bet labour are scared 😂
😂😂😂
Instead of asking if Reform would be up to fixing potholes, he should ask why the previous incumbent DIDN'T fix them
Tory voters should be pleased. They voted Consocialist and they got the socialist bit. If they had wanted actual Conservative values and policies then they should have voted for the party backing Britain. They will pay for their stubborn stupidity.
Congratulations Nigel, Michael and the team, now the people will start to see some hope for a British country.
TUV won against Paisley in NI. They have a pact with Reform. So Reform will have an ally in parliament with 5 SEATS.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Isabel you have more sense in your little finger than most have in their whole
Reform getting handful of MPs who can hold a party line is a good thing. Last thing they needed was a few lucky winners who were loose cannons and embarrassed the Reform movement. You can be sure that amongst the labour winners there will be some loons who embarrass Sir Keir.
5 seats won but they crushed the Tories and they have been responsible for costing the Tories at least 50 seats .Next time they will take hundreds of seats when labour fall over themselves .
Correction. 4 seats.
Crushed the Tories ? And your justification for that statement is ..........?
Congratulations to Reform UK for getting 13 sest. Yaay
They got 4 seats.
@@RaRa-eu9mwmight have more later on today
@@ab8865 Nah. None of the ones left to declare are going to be Reform. It's a failure.
@@ab8865one with the Alliance in N Ireland
@@simongarthwaite7695it's the TUV here in NI but yes Nigel has won 5seats as TUV have a pact with reform.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
4TH July 2024 " Judgement Day " , Labour in Power Forever .
Boats on the way ,
Energy Bills will sky-rocket ,
Money will be cheaper than toilet paper " money printing " ,
inflation will Rise ,
Tax Pensioner , working class and everything ,
It’s the will of the people. 🎉
@@matthewcook9404The will of naive, compromised , self-serving dull.ards,corrupt.ed and/or lunatics voting for the same chaos which exists already, in the vile befuddled JOE.tato world in the USA
Watch the Left eat their own Labour is a house cards. The honeymoon won’t last long.
Wakjng up to the saddest day of my life unfortunately 😢😢
This will embolden radicals.
Reform need to keep the preasure on ,There have been 24 by elections since 2019 and there will be more during this Parliament .Reform must be ready to fight when they occur.
Very pleased for both Isabel and Richard.