It's not Pietro, because Evan Peters is playing him. It's meta-misdirection: the character _obviously_ isn't Pietro, but Wanda still feels like he really might be Pietro _regardless._ How do you make the _audience_ feel the same way? Easy: you cast the other guy who played Quicksilver. We see with our own eyes that this unquestionably isn't Wanda's brother - but there's a way that he _could_ be, and we want that to be true, so we believe that it is - even against the evidence standing right in front of us.
Agnes controlling Pietro kinda makes sense. This is the only episode where she's not active in the plot. Maybe that's why her body went NPC mode when she usually isnt
@@jalel7962 right, but she never seems to actually be under Wanda's control in the first place. Maybe she went NPC because her conscious mind was I Pietro until vision called it back by waking her up
@@jalel7962 Angnes is never in NPC mode, this episode showed the logic and boundaries of the hex. Characters who are far from Wanda are frozen. However, Angnes had full control over herself even though she was far away from Wanda. Showing that she is able to talk to vision and move even before he touched her. Which means that she must have been acting to get Vision to walk out the hex or was coming out the hex but got caught from Vision which made her to pretend like it Wanda controlling her to get away.
@@jalel7962 I feel a big thing being overlooked is Herb, who has shown himself to be equally aware constantly, and Monica also being aware. Agnes is treated as unique when really she isn’t when you think about it. Also, if she was controlling Pietro and wanted the twins.... but didn’t take them when left alone with them and allowed Wanda to expand the area under her control which works against making an easy escape, she has to be a pretty dumb villain.
@@atourist9135 yeah, she said that she was going to drive, somewhere and "got lost...". HOW? I think Agnes has some hidden relevance to the plot, but besides this occasion, she hasn't been the only one to show that Wanda doesn't have as much control over her. Herb has also shown that he knows exactly what's up, and said in that episode that "don't worry about your dog, your mom won't let it get too far". Weird how the dog died in Agnes' yard though, where poisonous berries just happened to be there.
I feel like similar, because no theory covers the fact that "Pietro" made a huge slip with the "dead husband" line. Namely, how would Pietro know that Vision should be dead? The MCU Pietro was dead when Vision died, and the Fox Pietro obviously shouldn't know MCU history at all. "Pietro" knows because its Wanda's own mind.
@@jalel7962 This is generally my theory, as well, though I do hope there’s something else or more going on, for no other reason than that feels a little too obvious.
@@jalel7962 what if the plot twist is Wanda turns into the villain in Doctor Strange Multiverse Of Madness? Because if Vision ends up dying again and something happens to the twins she could go full nuts. Then explaining Quicksilvers appearance in episode 5 could be either Wanda when she talked with Sword and touched the hex (breaking the multiverse barriers or something like that) or the twins themselves as Billy has a powerset similar to Wanda and could've tried to bring back his mom's brother, but as Wanda said previously in the episode that neither she or them could bring dead people back, they tried to bring the closest thing to her brother, another version of her brother that could fit with the narrative but as Wanda can't control her kids, neither she or the kids can't control Pietro.
Showrunners said 2 things that really stand out to me: 1) Wandavision is about Wanda dealing with Trauma, and 2) they put in a lot of red herrings (presumably to mislead all of the theorizing.) This makes me think 1) if there's a secret villain manipulating Wanda's trauma, then the show isn't really about her trauma--it's about how a villain uses her trauma against her. And 2) with all these red herrings, the real story can hide in plain sight. In other words, what if the character dialogue isn't lying? Monica: "It's all Wanda." Wanda: "I don't know how all of this started." Pietro: "I'm just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the bro in law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that's what you wanted isn't it?" So Pietro isn't really X-men Quicksilver--the casting was just a red herring. Pietro AND Vision are just recreations from Wanda's memories, created by her subconscious and animated solely by magic. Without her magic, they revert to being dead (a hinted by in the commercial and illustrated by Vision when he goes beyond the Hex barrier.) Pietro, Jimmy Woo, Monica, and Darcy all said that prior to the Hex, Wanda only had telekinesis and mind control/telepathy. Their dialogue reinforces Wanda's statement that she doesn't know how everything started--everyone assumes Wanda knows how to warp reality--but if she's never done it, how would she know she has that power? So flashback reveal: Wanda retrieves Visions body. She reassembles him but doesn't resurrect him. She sobs uncontrollably and the same way comic book Wanda said "No more mutants" she says something like "I wish we lived happily ever after..." And without knowing it, her subconscious created the Hex and began episode 1. She's been piecing it together through each episode, and the key to breaking the hex is for Wanda to overcome her PTSD, to heal, and move forward. Pietro and Vision are elements of her subconscious trying to help. Vision is her conscience who knows it's wrong to imprison the other residents, Pietro is like her therapist, trying to help her process, and Agnes and the kids are trying to teach her to accept death. Which leads perfectly to DS Multiverse of Madness when Strange makes a cameo to help fix reality, and explain that he needs to mentor her to control her reality warping abilities or it puts their entire reality in danger.
This is really well thought out but I think fans would hate this ending. If there isn’t a greater reveal then people will look back at all the Easter eggs and red herrings as a betrayal of their investment.
@@niledunn1542 Nahhh, this is on pepole for making big stretches The story works better without a villan There have been 0 hints at nigthmare or mephisto, its just pepole stretching
This is an amazing theory, I sincerely hope the ending is self contained because introducing a main antagonist when it’s all about Wanda would sour the show’s themes for me
I mean he(as in Pietro) also was left alone with the kids multiple times.... and didn’t take them which is his assumed endgame atm. Mephisto would probably have to be the worst MCU villain period ngl.
@@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250 One reason that it could be made so obvious, is because Marvel wants to make sure that people, who have only watched the movies and know nothing else, also feel like they are understanding the mystery? I only know about Mephisto by brief mentions of him in the Child-Loki storyline (I don't own the comics, I borrowed some to read ages ago) but I member mentions of something like "fear crown" that was created partly by Child-Loki, and I remember a chair that Mephisto wanted to sit on (I think it was a throne of Satan, or throne of antichrist), that would have made Mephisto super powerful if he could sit on it with the power of the crown. (Child-Loki let himself be consumed by his older self's memories to destroy the crown). I don't remember Mephisto to have been mentioned anywhere in the movies or spinoff TV-shows... So for those who didn't go through a Loki-obsession phase like I did, a devil-like bad guy will come completely out of left field. What might feel on the nose for comic readers, is a bare minimum to introduce a completely new character and his minions (Agatha/Agnes). Just a thought.
I feel like pietro and the kids act like they do because they are just, entirely wanda’s mind projected onto bodies she created. When she talks to them, she’s talking to herself, and so they sort of act like an egging “voice in her head” except it’s outside of her head
That feels abit too straightforward, wanda keeps saying she doesnt remember how this started and the sword agent confidently says she is the one behind this which makes me think she isnt and theres more going on
@@han-363 throwing in a puppet master and explaining their background in 3 episodes seems like much. They’d be risking making the antagonist pretty lackluster. I’m open to it, don’t get me wrong, my point is just there’s no need to be looking for more than what’s being presented. Let the surprise be surprising if it comes.
@@hephsforge9236 I'm almost sure we're gonna figure out who the real antagonist is next week and the final two episodes are gonna be stopping the bad guy or at least setting up for Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness. like we're running out of sitcom era's and there are 3 episodes left, its either next episode or never from a story perspective lol
Something’s definitely up with Quicksilver, but I don’t think him being Evan Peters is exactly a coincidence. I think Mephisto or Dormammu could have looked to the multiverse to find a Pietro/Peter Maximoff to give to Scratch to control and infiltrate the Hex.
and this could explain why this quicksilver also has superspeed. It wouldn't make sense that Scratch would be able to replicate Pietro's power just by transforming into him.
I think Dormammu ha already opened the Multiverse possibly merged it already. Remember Strange Disappeared for 5 years and Dormammu was out there with his mischief. Remember VenomVerse Moribus Movie will feature Vulture.
See I think it is a coincidence though. How often does a movie/show recast someone that also played the same character in another franchise that *just so happened* to have the rights to that character? I think it works perfectly to cast Peters as ATJ is technically dead in the MCU, and he may or may not be a figment of her imagination anyway.
Chthon is obssessed with Wanda's powers because they are his. Pietro seemed weirdly curious about her powers. The kids called Pietro a vampire, Chthon created vampires.
I just commented something similar... We know this show ties directly into DOCTOR STRANGE 2, i.e. the multiverse. So, best bet is probably that it's just FOX X-Men universe Quicksilver. But that's probably wrong, since, "It's never the person you most suspect. It's also never the person you least suspect, since anyone with half a brain would suspect them the most. Therefore I know the killer to be Phyllis, AKA Beatrix Bourbon, the person I most medium suspect."
@@itsmytoast666 my theory is that Even Peters quicksilver is from the fox universe and Wanda pulled a random peatro from the multiverse and Dr strange and the multiverse of madness will be about fixing this stuff and the cameo at the end of the show could be magneto from fox X-men
The big thing that caught me off was saying he was "shot in the street for no reason" when he very clearly had a reason to be and sacrificed himself to do so and not mentioning ultron either. This implies he doesn't know why Pietro was shot or he doesnt dind Pietros reason for being shot valid to me.
I love how “Pietro” was calling Wanda out the whole episode. “What happened to your accent?” “What happened to yours?” “Relax sis it’s not like your husband can die twice.” “So where were you hiding all these kids?”
I don't understand his reasoning for being there. He simply said that he got shot, everything went dark, and then he heard her voice and he knew that she needed his help. Why right at that exact moment of that episode? She's been in the Hex for a while, why didn't he show up sooner?
@@minimonkeymasher8888 If he is actually a Pietro, maybe Wanda's children called him there, and he only thinks it was Wanda. Before Pietro showed up, in the episode, Wanda had told the twins she had a brother whom she misses, *but she didn't tell them he was dead, just that he was far away* Just before Pietro showed up, Wanda and Vision were arguing loudly, Vision questioning Wanda. Maybe the the twins wished for their uncle to show up to stop their parents from arguing. Billy does have the same powers as Wanda...
I am so glad Disney releases these Wandavision episodes on a weekly basis. That waiting in between episodes is perfect for fan theories and and discussion. It's a lot of fun. And I'm not pressured to go through the entire series before joining in on said discussions.
Reminds me how tv used to be. Remember Walking Dead in its heyday? The speculation and fun fans had. Or even Breaking Bad? More shows need to return to the weekly format. It’s a lot more fulfilling and easier to digest
Thoughts: If there's a guy capable of breaking into Wanda's hex, resisting her control, and imitating Pietro's powers to the extent that this character would theoretically be doing, you'd think he would be able to get his appearance right. He doesn't even really act like MCU Pietro, but he DOES act like XMen Pietro, enough so that he's referred to explicitly as a "manchild". Why go with such a specific disguise and personality if it's not even the right one? Yes, his questioning of Wanda started to seem hostile and menacing, but I still think that reflects Wanda's perspective. She's the villain protagonist of the show and clearly on some level she wants to keep this illusion going, so Pietro's abrasive attempt to kind of cut through the BS is seen as a threat.
After the most recent episode. I think it's Nicolas Scratch possessing the body of X-Men Peter, and Agatha is trying to get her son to materialize in the real world.
Something to add on to your Scratch theory, Pietro has a tattoo of the word "Mom" on his left shoulder. It's a tattoo that the actor has in real life so it could be nothing, but it is worth noting that they didn't attempt to cover it up.
Agreed, I hope he gets to play the MCU's Quicksilver going forward or at least be involved in it because I really loved the energy he brought in this episode.
It's really not so different from Nando's usual content at heart. Typically he takes a completed work, and applies a character/thematic analysis to change how events could have played out differently given the starting conditions, if the creators had accounted for the factors Nando brings up. Often this involves bringing in a character that fits a certain need, or using characters at hand in a different way, which the creators might never have considered. Here he's just going in the opposite direction. From these starting conditions, apply a character/thematic analysis to say where the story could be going, and bring in characters that could fit the story. Only difference is there's no finished product to contrast against, yet. It's framed as a "prediction" video but it really doesn't matter if he's right or wrong about what they _actually_ do with the show. The analysis itself is the point.
I thought it was weird Pietro has a “as himself” when the other characters doesn’t I also really thought we would get The Grim Reaper busting through the house which unless we get next episode with the kids in their first fight after won’t happen at all
It's kinda funny because "as himself" implies that he's the only one not pretending to be someone else, even though he very clearly *has to be* pretending to be someone else.
I highly doubt we will have any appearance of The Grim Reaper in WandaVison. The show is only taking small queues from The Vision, not any outright pieces of that story.
Thats for you. For me it would be superlame if he is coming from another universe. Cuz that is just lazy writing IMO. Your brother dead? Pull him from another universe. Ouh your mentor dead? Pull hik from another universe.
@@cheetosleopard9861 I agree. In its defense, it's been done already in Endgame. I feel like this show might be leading to an attempt by characters like Doctor Strange to seal that "easy fix for death" that Endgame opened up. The show has been building a theme around coming to terms with death already. I'm anticipating that the multiverse being cracked open and starting to chaotically merge will be a conflict spanning a few different MCU properties. In that time, some of the Fox stuff could make its way into the MCU, but maybe - hopefully - not in the way anyone expects.
@@cheetosleopard9861 Nah, multiverses in comics have always turned out to be a confusing mess in the end that added little to no actual value to the franchises, which is why they usually end up being destroyed. I really hope they do not go down that route wit Wandavision or the MCU in general.
Honestly i really do want this just to be Wanda, i don't want there to be so mysterious villain. The shows already doing so well with adapting the decimation storyline with their own spins. And Wanda is getting a lot of character nuance and development I really just wanted to stay focused on her
It would also feel unsatisfying for a new character to be revealed as the one pulling all the strings. If there is a villain, it's likely someone we've seen already.
Could be the fox quicksilver caught up in the hex. That’s why he has some of the original pietro’s memories but not all of them or context. Whoever he is he is a speedster 🤷🏻♂️
@@AbjectPermanence I mean, when wanda first sees him and asks 'Pietro?' He never says 'yes, that's me!' Or anything, he just awkwardly nods in a 'yeah,sure?' Kind of way. But like I said, I know the chances of him being the real Pietro are low.
Marvel is doing the multiverse leading into doctor strange so don’t lose hope just yet. I think quicksilver was sent here by an outside force since he said he’s here to cause her grief
I’m still 90% certain he’s actually Piertro from the x men but possessed, brainwashed or altered in some way. I can’t see them using Evan Peter then not taking advantage of the potential of starting the multiverse and bringing in mutants. I also don’t think they would be so mean to tease him then do nothing.
The idea of him not being X-Men Pietro is just so weird to me. Why cast the X-Men actor if he's not really the guy from X-Men? I hope it's not that simple because it would feel disappointing and bad for MCU to use "meta" (real world actor knowledge) as a red herring. Instead of this being a villain in disguise, maybe he's just being told what to do by a villain.
I think it's a bit of meta-symbolism. Wanda knows that this person, whoever he is, isn't Quicksilver, as much as she wants it to be, he looks like Pietro, he acts like him, he even seems to have his memories, but somethings off about him, so how would they convey that to the audience? Cast an actor that we would recognise as Quicksilver, but know that he's not Pietro, but still want so badly for him to be real.
@@oceankim8791 I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the fact that the merger was so so recent, and if the multiverse concept wasn't being heavily speculated online so much (with Spiderman and Doctor Strange for example)
@@vxder9854 You do realise that Marvel plans their shows and movies years in advance so it's unlikely that they would've known they would have access to Fox X-Men characters in the future.
@@oceankim8791 I'd argue that the legal agreements for the acquisition of the characters would take much longer, but also that doesn't change the point at all. They also would never have been able to utilise the actor in that capacity before, as it would've been ridiculously risky in terms of plagiarism claims, and a serious of other copyright terms.
@@vxder9854 Fair enough. At this point it could go either way, but I'd argue there's more evidence to support that it's not really Quicksilver. Is he the FOX Quicksilver? Possibly. But we can't say for certain.
I personally keep thinking that most of the odd stuff such as the off handed comments Pietro makes comes from Wanda's mental stability as she knows she's constantly lying to herself to have something resemble a normal life after everything she went through.
I think it's gotta be another Quicksilver from somewhere in the multiverse, even if not the exact one from the X-Men movie universe. I think it'd be a total waste and even a letdown if he's not the first instance of the multiverse, as they're clearly going in that direction, and a lot of people like his version of the character. Maybe another Quicksilver with MCU Pietro's memories/soul? I dunno, I just don't want him to end up being someone else. If he was just cast as Mephisto or Nightmare from the beginning, that's one thing, but now it would be a major disappointment.
Personally I think the one pulling the strings is going to end up being Mojo. He's a great "new" X-Men villain that's never been shown before, he's all about realities / timelines, mind control, television broadcasts, ratings, etc After the events of Endgame and the massive bursts of cosmic radiation coming from Earth, Mojo puts his sights on the planet for a bunch of new television show opportunities. He finds the most emotionally compromised individual with the same radiation signature, finds what they desire most, and unknowingly give them the ability to make it happen, with a little help along the way and even throwing in a character like Pietro to throw Wanda further off the deep end emotionally. All while filming it and broadcasting it as a sitcom series to the residents of Mojoworld. This could very easily lead into the Loki series as well wince Mojo is all about pulling individuals from alternate realities / timelines and putting them into situations that would be entertaining to film and watch. Doctor Strange & TMoM could be used to expand the character of Mojo and the Mojoworld into a Phase 4 level threat to Earth and any realities that Mojo is involved in. Overall I think that this Pietro isn't the MCU one, or the Fox one, but a third one that was pulled from the multiverse by Mojo and is being given the memories of the MCU Pietro for ratings and for Wanda's sake.
Charlie from Emergency Awesome has a theory that Pietro is really just Wanda’s memories of Pietro embodied and come to life. Like similarly with Vision, how his memories and personality is based on Wanda’s memories with him. A creation of the hex, like Tommy and Billy. Her subconscious needed to deal with the grief of losing her brother, so it whipped up this version of him. Or maybe Evan Peters’ actual character has been mind wiped and given these memories?
I hope it’s Mephisto! Even Peters is such a great actor and so fun to watch on screen, so just coming in as “fan service” would be a complete waste. I hope he reveals to be Mephisto and comes to the MCU! Like an epic transition of coming in as a Fox character and literally transforming in to a MCU character would be so cool!
I feel like he was planted there by Haywood to distract Wanda so they could recover vision and get back to the work they were doing on him. Still doesn’t explain fully who he is but I do think he could be working with SWORD.
one of my theories is someone wants wanda to bring back the dead .in ep 5 when sparky dies the twins say something like "mom you can bring back sparky" but wanda has never brought back the dead other that vision but hes a robot (also in ep 6, did wanda recreate the mind stone!?!? bc vision leaves the hex and it looks like the thing thats hurting him is the force of wanda trying to pull him back in) the way she could have brought back quicksliver is if she cant revive the dead but just took X-men quicksilver from the X-men universe and dropped him into the mcu (not a bullet proof theory but its fun to come up with these)
This was my exact same thought! It's got to be someone trying to find a way to resurrect the dead. And if it's not the exact same QS from X-men, maybe it's one from a universe very close to that one.
It looked more like what was hurting Vision is that the "life" he was given within the Hex cannot escape with him. If he had succeeded in breaking through he would have gone back to being a dead grey vibranium corpse. Clothing, drones, etc. can have their physical properties permanently altered, but the Mind Stone powers that allow Vision to be anything other than a lump of metal can't be so easily replicated. The Hex can't make a new Infinity Stone. I'm pretty sure that inside of Westview he's still just a corpse, animated to be lifelike, but once he leaves that magic no longer affects him.
I still believe it’s Wanda teaming with mephisto not realising how much danger she’s actually putting people in Also if pietros not mephisto,he could be like (if it happens)Agnes (Agatha harkness)where mephisto sent nightmare
What if Agnes and Scratch ( who is an actor by day looks close enough) are both part of a coven that worships Miphisto. That why it's close to the comics without getting bogged down on complex cannon. She was helping guide Wanda on the path to birth Miphisto's vessels (her kids) and then passed the batton to her son when she became too obvious
Personally I’ve been thinking that Pietro is mostly a red herring. While his identity is probably going to be a big reveal, I feel like he is acting like an antagonist in the way that a regular crazy uncle might from the perspective of a protective mom, and it’s distracting from them figuring out what is really going on.
What I hope happens: Wanda is being Gaslighted by Agatha so she can see the maximum of Wandas reality bending powers and steal them. Wanda was so powerful, she plucked Pietro out of the multiverse, and infused him with MCU’s Pietro’s Memories. She eventually finds out this truth, and thus lashes out at Agatha, killing her. Hawkeye then shows up, and is able to calm her down. The town regains their memories, Tommy And Billy are taken in by Sword, and Xmens Quicksilver regains his memories from the xmen movies, and he is stuck in our universe. Vision is also alive, how ever, Wanda was powering his humanity, and thus becomes a pure white android. Wanda runs off out of sadness, anger, and embarrassment. An after credits scene reveals Doctor Strange feels that Wanda is too dangerous a weapon to be left alone, and partners with Sword to go and find her in the multiverse.
He can be X-Men Pietro as he doesn't know anything about MCU Pietro that someone on the outside world couldn't have told him before he entered the Hex. I think he was sent in there by someone (maybe Doctor Strange) to try and find out what Wanda is doing and in an attempt to convince her to stop. This would explain why he knows some things about MCU Pietro's life.
I think this is A "peitro" not either one we've seen but literally an amalgam of the two, I don't think they are straight up pulling characters from the x-men universe in yet, if they do. I think deadpool is the only one who is directly pulled over. But that they will create an amalgam of everything. Humorously I don't think it'll in wandavision but it's what they are building up to
That's my thought. Or maybe if not an amalgamation of the two, one from a universe that is between the MCU and the Fox X-men, wherein many events played out almost exactly the same, so Pietro remembers some events but not all.
It’s weird how wanda shrieks after closing the door after vision when pietro scares her but when she sees dead vision and dead pietro her reaction isn’t so extreme or maybe im just overthinking
I’m not as knowledgeable about the marvel character backlog but I think we’ve gotten more than a few hints in plain sight about Pietro. The kids are afraid he’s a vampire, so he’s some type of creature that feeds off energy/magic. Nando already mentioned Pietro seeing the camera but it does also feed into the vampire piece sleeping during the “day.” As we saw outside the hex it’s actually still night, the same night mere minutes after Wanda attacked Hayward by controlling the troops. Pietro knows it’s night outside and hasn’t adjusted his sleep patterns. The commercial this episode wasn’t based on Wanda’s past like the others. I think it’s based on her present. Her subconscious trying to warn her. The snack is called Yo Magic, as in your magic. The shark, which is colored very similar to Quicksilvers costume, is feeding on your magic Wanda. I think it’s Pietro feeding off Wanda and pushing her to use more magic so he can “eat” more. I think the Hex is all Wanda and her subconscious trying to deal with all the loss she’s suffered. Agnes having her breakdown at the car shouting “dead” repeatedly and laughing like a witch was really how Wanda was feeling and it expressed through Agnes. I don’t think Agnes is Agatha Harkness...yet. I think this whole ordeal will have her seeing Wanda as an enemy and a threat and will get her to side with whatever entity Pietro really is to gain witch like powers (or she gains them similar to what Monica is experiencing) and then becomes Agatha.
I definitely think it's either Nightmare or Mephisto, and Agnes is an agent or an ally to him. Nightmare is whom is rumours to show in Dr.Strange next movie.
@@darkphoenix3901 it’s canon in that universe. The mcu is earth-19999 and the X-men movies are earth TRN-414. Technically they are all canon but in different universes
Love this show so much. I’ve been sharing weekly recaps on my channel. I’m floating a theory that Hayward has sent this Pietro in. As soon as he showed up they were able to track Vision. Maybe SWORD learned how to tap into the multiverse?
>Wanda leaves the twins with Agnes while she repairs the Hex. >Vision finds Darcy, restores her memories and they discuss his death and rebirth. >Monica goes into the Hex to rescue Darcy and confronts Wanda with her newfound photon powers. >They realize that the twins are missing and go to Agnes’ house, where they learn that Agnes is Agatha Harkness. >In flashbacks, Agatha masquerades as a psychiatrist helping Wanda overcome her grief over Vision’s death in order to control her. >Under Agatha’s influence, Wanda creates the Hex, which Agatha describes as a dream world but also a “nightmare”. >Episode ends with Agatha once again putting Wanda under her influence.
I don't even think he "has" MCU Pietro's memories. He's just another actor in WestView playing his role as scripted by Wanda. Vision needs free his mind with that trick before we'll learn the truth... I hope.
I like the Scratch theory. He was all the animals (lobster on the door, rabbit in the cage, dog out back ((altho the dog died??))) and now Pietro. Agnes is Agatha for sure, but who knows if she's any significant role yet. Him being scratch makes it more significant, and if the Town really is after the children, Scratch is now testing the children after witnessing them growing last episode.
3:20 Nightmare is actually hinted at a few times in the episode: 1. Earlier in the episode during the SWORD meeting, Hayward states "we take her out, this whole *nightmare* ends" could be an innocuous but if this show taught us anything, it's that nothing is just as it seems. And 2. The term "nightmare" is mentioned again near the end by Pietro ahem... sorry "Pietro" when he remarks to Wanda how he's impressed by what she created rather than be distressed like everyone else "It's a big leap from giving people *nightmares* and shooting red wiggly-woos out of your hands". 3. It could be argued that Wanda's whole dream reality is slowly turning into a nightmare when she sees both Vision and Pietro turn into talking dead corpses and thus being reminded of her trauma.
@@thebudyentertainmentchanne8845 its not China friendly to have a demon/devil character. So they have to amalgamate characters like they did with Ego The Celestial or Hela
Oh hey, this is a theory I also had. I mean characters being syncretised in the MCU is pretty common after all, and it would be much easier to introduce one new character, than two that pretty much fulfil the same role.
Pietro is probably a manifestation of Wanda’s grief, an emotion out of her control, a reminder of her loss (which he says outright in the episode as well). His calling out of all these things Wanda does is like a subconscious doubt from Wanda herself. He probably has the wrong face because of her internal denial of her own grief, her refusal to remember the exact details of events in Ultron (hence the shock with the bullet holes). While it would be amazing if he’s another comic character in disguise as it expands the new MCU players, but from a narrative stand point it makes more sense for the show to really focus on her grief. While she’s surrounded by antagonists such as Hayward and Agnes, the show is ultimately about her psych and her mental unraveling, and all these antagonists are there to probe and tease so it pushes her progression forward.
My guess: He's Ultron. In Infinity War, Bruce mentioned that Vision's mind was made of multiple overlays, one of which was a version of Ultron. I've been thinking that when Wanda stole Vision's body and inevitably tried to revive him, she didn't revive Vision's consciousness, but Ultron's by mistake. Ultron tried to manipulate Wanda, maybe by creating a mental paradise world for her as he understood it, using sitcoms for reference. But Wanda fought back by hijacking the sitcom world from him and making it real. Ultron was genuinely shocked by the vast evolution of her powers, and has been trying to figure out her powers and how to use them since. When Pietro was mentioned, he figured that was his way in and hijacked a rando human's body to pull off this ruse and figure out Wanda's power from the inside. That's why he knows some things about the twins, but had to guess others. And the cruel things he says--they'd definitely be 100% in character for Ultron. And the fringe townsfolk on constant loops and the fact that they're in constant pain--that's also something a human-hating AI would do. Plus, unlike all the other villains mentioned, Ultron HAS been mentioned and referenced several times now, and would much more appropriate foe for Wanda given her personal history with him. Just a theory though. We'll see how things play out.
I feel like making it just be some random guy that just so happens to have the same face as xmen quicksilver despite that face meaning nothing to anyone in this universe is kind of a cop out.
I don't like the idea of them bringing in the X-Quicksilver actor as a red herring, especially since I loved him in the X-universe. It just feels like a waste.
I personally think that Mephisto killed the X Men Quicksilver and put his soul into the MCU Quicksilver and their memories got mixed up, I believe he’s a victim of Mephisto and he’s ultimately part of some plot he doesn’t know about yet
I think it'd be the other way around. MCU Pietro's soul in either Peter's body from X-Men or at least an alternate universe Quicksilver who looks like him.
@@melancholyentertainment that’d actually make sense, maybe he took MCU Pietro’s should and killed Peters body from X-Men to put him in that body, also I don’t think that any character is playing Pietro, think about it, if the point is to connect more and have more relationship with, it’d just make more sense to take the form of MCU Pierrot, wouldn’t it?
Nightmare has been "featured" on Wandavision. In episode one while animated Vision is getting "dressed" you can see Nightmares helmet in the floorboards as he phased through. Check it out
If he's an imposter, I submit that he looks the way he does because that's just his real face, not because he doesn't know what Quicksilver looks like.
The reason I think he’s actually Quicksilver is simply that it would make casting Evan Peters a mean prank on the audience with no logical purpose in the plot. Wanda doesn’t know Evan Peters. I think it’s lazy when a show or movie does something exclusively to trick the audience without it making sense in the plot. And I think Marvel is above that. So if that’s the big plot twist, I won’t be impressed I’ll just be annoyed.
It's not Pietro, because Evan Peters is playing him. It's meta-misdirection: the character _obviously_ isn't Pietro, but Wanda still feels like he really might be Pietro _regardless._ How do you make the _audience_ feel the same way? Easy: you cast the other guy who played Quicksilver. We see with our own eyes that this unquestionably isn't Wanda's brother - but there's a way that he _could_ be, and we want that to be true, so we believe that it is - even against the evidence standing right in front of us.
I like this train of thought right here.
I had the exact same thought.
This needs more likes!!
that would be so bad from disney tho because people loved the x-men quicksilver so much and he will not be playing means its little discouraging
Me and my daughter have agreed throughout the episode, that it's definitely not the real Pietro.
Pietro is the friends we made along the way
It's not about Pietro, it's about the journey
Chief Hawk: It’s not about Pietro.... Is it about Pietro?
Inb4 joke
Their not friends!😂
Pietro is not a place. It’s a people.
Nobody asks " How is Pietro? " smh 😞
I’ll do you one better: why is Pietro?
I am sorry, I ruined your 69 likes by giving one😞
@@Sienisota the hardest choices require the strongest wills
@@Sienisota We'll just have to shoot for 420 likes now.
@@Sienisota there's always a 70th like, and a 421st, don't worry, we've all been there, and we understand your pain
Agnes controlling Pietro kinda makes sense. This is the only episode where she's not active in the plot. Maybe that's why her body went NPC mode when she usually isnt
@@jalel7962 right, but she never seems to actually be under Wanda's control in the first place. Maybe she went NPC because her conscious mind was I Pietro until vision called it back by waking her up
@@jalel7962 Angnes is never in NPC mode, this episode showed the logic and boundaries of the hex. Characters who are far from Wanda are frozen. However, Angnes had full control over herself even though she was far away from Wanda. Showing that she is able to talk to vision and move even before he touched her. Which means that she must have been acting to get Vision to walk out the hex or was coming out the hex but got caught from Vision which made her to pretend like it Wanda controlling her to get away.
@@jalel7962 I feel a big thing being overlooked is Herb, who has shown himself to be equally aware constantly, and Monica also being aware. Agnes is treated as unique when really she isn’t when you think about it. Also, if she was controlling Pietro and wanted the twins.... but didn’t take them when left alone with them and allowed Wanda to expand the area under her control which works against making an easy escape, she has to be a pretty dumb villain.
@@atourist9135 yeah, she said that she was going to drive, somewhere and "got lost...". HOW? I think Agnes has some hidden relevance to the plot, but besides this occasion, she hasn't been the only one to show that Wanda doesn't have as much control over her. Herb has also shown that he knows exactly what's up, and said in that episode that "don't worry about your dog, your mom won't let it get too far". Weird how the dog died in Agnes' yard though, where poisonous berries just happened to be there.
She wasnt NPC mode, she was heading out but Wanda still had some strings on her so she couldnt leave.
Is Pietro being the self loathing part of Wanda who is calling her out on her baggage completely off the table?
I feel like similar, because no theory covers the fact that "Pietro" made a huge slip with the "dead husband" line. Namely, how would Pietro know that Vision should be dead? The MCU Pietro was dead when Vision died, and the Fox Pietro obviously shouldn't know MCU history at all. "Pietro" knows because its Wanda's own mind.
@@medgeworth80 it’s even weirder since he didn’t even recognise vision at first but then suddenly knows that he’s already dead
Honestly every development can be explained as Wanda’s subconscious, the whole of last video was the same. Just not as interesting to people ig.
@@jalel7962 This is generally my theory, as well, though I do hope there’s something else or more going on, for no other reason than that feels a little too obvious.
@@jalel7962 what if the plot twist is Wanda turns into the villain in Doctor Strange Multiverse Of Madness? Because if Vision ends up dying again and something happens to the twins she could go full nuts. Then explaining Quicksilvers appearance in episode 5 could be either Wanda when she talked with Sword and touched the hex (breaking the multiverse barriers or something like that) or the twins themselves as Billy has a powerset similar to Wanda and could've tried to bring back his mom's brother, but as Wanda said previously in the episode that neither she or them could bring dead people back, they tried to bring the closest thing to her brother, another version of her brother that could fit with the narrative but as Wanda can't control her kids, neither she or the kids can't control Pietro.
Showrunners said 2 things that really stand out to me: 1) Wandavision is about Wanda dealing with Trauma, and 2) they put in a lot of red herrings (presumably to mislead all of the theorizing.) This makes me think 1) if there's a secret villain manipulating Wanda's trauma, then the show isn't really about her trauma--it's about how a villain uses her trauma against her. And 2) with all these red herrings, the real story can hide in plain sight. In other words, what if the character dialogue isn't lying?
Monica: "It's all Wanda." Wanda: "I don't know how all of this started." Pietro: "I'm just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the bro in law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that's what you wanted isn't it?"
So Pietro isn't really X-men Quicksilver--the casting was just a red herring. Pietro AND Vision are just recreations from Wanda's memories, created by her subconscious and animated solely by magic. Without her magic, they revert to being dead (a hinted by in the commercial and illustrated by Vision when he goes beyond the Hex barrier.)
Pietro, Jimmy Woo, Monica, and Darcy all said that prior to the Hex, Wanda only had telekinesis and mind control/telepathy. Their dialogue reinforces Wanda's statement that she doesn't know how everything started--everyone assumes Wanda knows how to warp reality--but if she's never done it, how would she know she has that power?
So flashback reveal: Wanda retrieves Visions body. She reassembles him but doesn't resurrect him. She sobs uncontrollably and the same way comic book Wanda said "No more mutants" she says something like "I wish we lived happily ever after..." And without knowing it, her subconscious created the Hex and began episode 1. She's been piecing it together through each episode, and the key to breaking the hex is for Wanda to overcome her PTSD, to heal, and move forward. Pietro and Vision are elements of her subconscious trying to help. Vision is her conscience who knows it's wrong to imprison the other residents, Pietro is like her therapist, trying to help her process, and Agnes and the kids are trying to teach her to accept death.
Which leads perfectly to DS Multiverse of Madness when Strange makes a cameo to help fix reality, and explain that he needs to mentor her to control her reality warping abilities or it puts their entire reality in danger.
Honestlt bro. This is the most likely scenario for wandavision. Great analysis!
this, people are way overthinking what the story really about.
This is really well thought out but I think fans would hate this ending. If there isn’t a greater reveal then people will look back at all the Easter eggs and red herrings as a betrayal of their investment.
@@niledunn1542 Nahhh, this is on pepole for making big stretches
The story works better without a villan
There have been 0 hints at nigthmare or mephisto, its just pepole stretching
This is an amazing theory, I sincerely hope the ending is self contained because introducing a main antagonist when it’s all about Wanda would sour the show’s themes for me
Obviously the real villain of WandaVision is the abstract concept of loss
YEAH!!!! I HATE HOW EVERYONE IS TRYING TO PROJECT A VILLAIN ONTO THIS SERIES
@@benepic3101 because there more than likely is a villain
@@cecilabbott6092 yeah but we can hope there isn't
@@alexturlais8558: But there is. Paul Bettany has already stated in interviews that the show is going to devolve into the average MCU beat 'em up.
Drats! The one villain we can’t punch or blast away!
Mephisto would be really bad at his job if he kept dropping hints that he was Satan in front of Wanda all the time, same with Agnes.
I dunno Mephisto seems like a cheeky mess around felkow
Ikr i feel like its obvious that he is the villain that's why i think he isnt everything else is subtle and a mystery so why not him?
I mean he(as in Pietro) also was left alone with the kids multiple times.... and didn’t take them which is his assumed endgame atm. Mephisto would probably have to be the worst MCU villain period ngl.
I don't know if I was the devil I would totally do that
@@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250 One reason that it could be made so obvious, is because Marvel wants to make sure that people, who have only watched the movies and know nothing else, also feel like they are understanding the mystery?
I only know about Mephisto by brief mentions of him in the Child-Loki storyline (I don't own the comics, I borrowed some to read ages ago)
but I member mentions of something like "fear crown" that was created partly by Child-Loki, and I remember a chair that Mephisto wanted to sit on (I think it was a throne of Satan, or throne of antichrist), that would have made Mephisto super powerful if he could sit on it with the power of the crown. (Child-Loki let himself be consumed by his older self's memories to destroy the crown).
I don't remember Mephisto to have been mentioned anywhere in the movies or spinoff TV-shows... So for those who didn't go through a Loki-obsession phase like I did, a devil-like bad guy will come completely out of left field.
What might feel on the nose for comic readers, is a bare minimum to introduce a completely new character and his minions (Agatha/Agnes).
Just a thought.
I feel like pietro and the kids act like they do because they are just, entirely wanda’s mind projected onto bodies she created. When she talks to them, she’s talking to herself, and so they sort of act like an egging “voice in her head” except it’s outside of her head
That’s also why he’s so bluntly critical of Wanda, because he IS her
That’s what I was thinking too, I feel a lot of the “oddities” of the show can be read as Wandas subconscious affecting the world ngl.
That feels abit too straightforward, wanda keeps saying she doesnt remember how this started and the sword agent confidently says she is the one behind this which makes me think she isnt and theres more going on
@@han-363 throwing in a puppet master and explaining their background in 3 episodes seems like much. They’d be risking making the antagonist pretty lackluster. I’m open to it, don’t get me wrong, my point is just there’s no need to be looking for more than what’s being presented. Let the surprise be surprising if it comes.
@@hephsforge9236 I'm almost sure we're gonna figure out who the real antagonist is next week and the final two episodes are gonna be stopping the bad guy or at least setting up for Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness. like we're running out of sitcom era's and there are 3 episodes left, its either next episode or never from a story perspective lol
Something’s definitely up with Quicksilver, but I don’t think him being Evan Peters is exactly a coincidence. I think Mephisto or Dormammu could have looked to the multiverse to find a Pietro/Peter Maximoff to give to Scratch to control and infiltrate the Hex.
and this could explain why this quicksilver also has superspeed. It wouldn't make sense that Scratch would be able to replicate Pietro's power just by transforming into him.
I think Dormammu ha already opened the Multiverse possibly merged it already. Remember Strange Disappeared for 5 years and Dormammu was out there with his mischief. Remember VenomVerse Moribus Movie will feature Vulture.
@@faltielsonjr5831
Likewise, Spider-Man 3 will feature Sony Villains recast with their old roles.
See I think it is a coincidence though. How often does a movie/show recast someone that also played the same character in another franchise that *just so happened* to have the rights to that character? I think it works perfectly to cast Peters as ATJ is technically dead in the MCU, and he may or may not be a figment of her imagination anyway.
Chthon is obssessed with Wanda's powers because they are his. Pietro seemed weirdly curious about her powers.
The kids called Pietro a vampire, Chthon created vampires.
It’s too on the nose for him to be a villain
The twist is gonna be that he’s actually just himself and Mephisto is someone else
I just commented something similar... We know this show ties directly into DOCTOR STRANGE 2, i.e. the multiverse. So, best bet is probably that it's just FOX X-Men universe Quicksilver. But that's probably wrong, since, "It's never the person you most suspect. It's also never the person you least suspect, since anyone with half a brain would suspect them the most. Therefore I know the killer to be Phyllis, AKA Beatrix Bourbon, the person I most medium suspect."
@@itsmytoast666 my theory is that Even Peters quicksilver is from the fox universe and Wanda pulled a random peatro from the multiverse and Dr strange and the multiverse of madness will be about fixing this stuff and the cameo at the end of the show could be magneto from fox X-men
@@itsmytoast666 What's that from again?
@@driveasandwich6734 huh?
@@itsmytoast666 The quote
i always love when nando puts this much effort into wandavision theories just to have them age horribly in a week or less
It would only age horribly if Nando was sure that this theory without a doubt was correct.
The big thing that caught me off was saying he was "shot in the street for no reason" when he very clearly had a reason to be and sacrificed himself to do so and not mentioning ultron either. This implies he doesn't know why Pietro was shot or he doesnt dind Pietros reason for being shot valid to me.
I love how “Pietro” was calling Wanda out the whole episode.
“What happened to your accent?”
“What happened to yours?”
“Relax sis it’s not like your husband can die twice.”
“So where were you hiding all these kids?”
“You’re suppressing a lot of trauma”
There are A LOT of callouts. To the point where it seems like he's TRYING to cause Wanda to go haywire...
@@tailedgates9 I honestly burst out laughing when he made that comment about vision not being able to die twice.
I don't understand his reasoning for being there.
He simply said that he got shot, everything went dark, and then he heard her voice and he knew that she needed his help.
Why right at that exact moment of that episode? She's been in the Hex for a while, why didn't he show up sooner?
@@minimonkeymasher8888 If he is actually a Pietro, maybe Wanda's children called him there, and he only thinks it was Wanda.
Before Pietro showed up, in the episode, Wanda had told the twins she had a brother whom she misses, *but she didn't tell them he was dead, just that he was far away*
Just before Pietro showed up, Wanda and Vision were arguing loudly, Vision questioning Wanda. Maybe the the twins wished for their uncle to show up to stop their parents from arguing. Billy does have the same powers as Wanda...
I am so glad Disney releases these Wandavision episodes on a weekly basis. That waiting in between episodes is perfect for fan theories and and discussion. It's a lot of fun. And I'm not pressured to go through the entire series before joining in on said discussions.
Reminds me how tv used to be. Remember Walking Dead in its heyday? The speculation and fun fans had. Or even Breaking Bad? More shows need to return to the weekly format. It’s a lot more fulfilling and easier to digest
Agreed! It makes each episode more memorable in the long run, because we have that time to meditate in each one.
Indeed! My friends complain a lot about the format but I think it's just dope
it’s like Lost was in the 2000’s. (i think, i’m only 20)
Yessss!
Thoughts: If there's a guy capable of breaking into Wanda's hex, resisting her control, and imitating Pietro's powers to the extent that this character would theoretically be doing, you'd think he would be able to get his appearance right. He doesn't even really act like MCU Pietro, but he DOES act like XMen Pietro, enough so that he's referred to explicitly as a "manchild". Why go with such a specific disguise and personality if it's not even the right one? Yes, his questioning of Wanda started to seem hostile and menacing, but I still think that reflects Wanda's perspective. She's the villain protagonist of the show and clearly on some level she wants to keep this illusion going, so Pietro's abrasive attempt to kind of cut through the BS is seen as a threat.
yes it could be the x-men from the multiverse coming to solve this issue themselves and using quicksilver to gain knowledge of what is happening.
After the most recent episode. I think it's Nicolas Scratch possessing the body of X-Men Peter, and Agatha is trying to get her son to materialize in the real world.
No matter what your best guest as to who Pietro actually is, I bet we’re all going to say, “I didn’t see that coming.”
Ideally, we'll also say 'but it's obvious in hindsight.'
@@boobah5643 r/wooosh
Something to add on to your Scratch theory, Pietro has a tattoo of the word "Mom" on his left shoulder. It's a tattoo that the actor has in real life so it could be nothing, but it is worth noting that they didn't attempt to cover it up.
If it's nothing they would have covered it up. Tattoos are big parts of character's identities.
MOM = Multiverse Of Madness?
Better yet, who ISN’T Pietro?
I'll do you one better, WHY is Pietro?
@@josh-tt4fq 100 comedy points
But WHEN is Pietro?
Nobody asks, how is Pietro?
whomstn't isn't tirepo "
I’m just glad Evan Peters is in the MCU. He’s my second favourite actor.
Never seen him act before, but I enjoyed his performance here so freaking much!
your first favourite?
Who's your first
Agreed, I hope he gets to play the MCU's Quicksilver going forward or at least be involved in it because I really loved the energy he brought in this episode.
@@jordanhedington2421, Jake Gyllenhaal.
The thing with Wanda vision videos is that they are outdated the next time a new episode comes out with new information about the mystery 😂
Pretty much! 😂😂 Because they either get proven extremely wrong or Marvel completely proves these theories and then add new mysteries 😂😂
Yep lol, but it pays them
Glad to see I'm not the only one that's thought this lol.
It's really not so different from Nando's usual content at heart. Typically he takes a completed work, and applies a character/thematic analysis to change how events could have played out differently given the starting conditions, if the creators had accounted for the factors Nando brings up. Often this involves bringing in a character that fits a certain need, or using characters at hand in a different way, which the creators might never have considered.
Here he's just going in the opposite direction. From these starting conditions, apply a character/thematic analysis to say where the story could be going, and bring in characters that could fit the story. Only difference is there's no finished product to contrast against, yet. It's framed as a "prediction" video but it really doesn't matter if he's right or wrong about what they _actually_ do with the show. The analysis itself is the point.
In that episode they related things to being a “nightmare” about 3 times. I’m leaning towards that being who’s behind this
I thought it was weird Pietro has a “as himself” when the other characters doesn’t
I also really thought we would get The Grim Reaper busting through the house which unless we get next episode with the kids in their first fight after won’t happen at all
thats a whole 90s TV show thing when they had actors play fictionalised versions of themselves
@@HellTheeHarold yeah that's the reference, but it could also be a subtle clue
It's kinda funny because "as himself" implies that he's the only one not pretending to be someone else, even though he very clearly *has to be* pretending to be someone else.
I highly doubt we will have any appearance of The Grim Reaper in WandaVison. The show is only taking small queues from The Vision, not any outright pieces of that story.
@@what._._._
It could also mean Pietro from another universe is playing Pietro from another universe, hence "Pietro as himself."
Quicksilver being anything but a multiverse version of himself would be super anticlimactic
Thats for you. For me it would be superlame if he is coming from another universe. Cuz that is just lazy writing IMO. Your brother dead? Pull him from another universe. Ouh your mentor dead? Pull hik from another universe.
@@laluwahyupiw the doors being opened by the fact she’s breaking the multiverse is way more interesting than him being a villain
@@cheetosleopard9861 like i said. Your bro dead and you cant bring him back to life?? Pull him from another universe.
@@cheetosleopard9861 I agree. In its defense, it's been done already in Endgame. I feel like this show might be leading to an attempt by characters like Doctor Strange to seal that "easy fix for death" that Endgame opened up. The show has been building a theme around coming to terms with death already. I'm anticipating that the multiverse being cracked open and starting to chaotically merge will be a conflict spanning a few different MCU properties. In that time, some of the Fox stuff could make its way into the MCU, but maybe - hopefully - not in the way anyone expects.
@@cheetosleopard9861 Nah, multiverses in comics have always turned out to be a confusing mess in the end that added little to no actual value to the franchises, which is why they usually end up being destroyed. I really hope they do not go down that route wit Wandavision or the MCU in general.
Honestly i really do want this just to be Wanda, i don't want there to be so mysterious villain. The shows already doing so well with adapting the decimation storyline with their own spins. And Wanda is getting a lot of character nuance and development I really just wanted to stay focused on her
It would also feel unsatisfying for a new character to be revealed as the one pulling all the strings. If there is a villain, it's likely someone we've seen already.
@@D_Fyre
Especially with 3 episodes left. That'd be boring. I Agree.
that's what i want as well. i want marvel to be brave enough to give us villain!wanda
Could be the fox quicksilver caught up in the hex. That’s why he has some of the original pietro’s memories but not all of them or context. Whoever he is he is a speedster 🤷🏻♂️
I can see him being a proxy but still being Pietro at the end of the day just with a different set of memories which she can remedy
I REALLY want it to actually be Pietro, even though I know there's basically 0 chance he actually is.
The X-Men version of the character didn't even go by the name Pietro. His name is credited as "Peter".
@@AbjectPermanence I mean, when wanda first sees him and asks 'Pietro?' He never says 'yes, that's me!' Or anything, he just awkwardly nods in a 'yeah,sure?' Kind of way. But like I said, I know the chances of him being the real Pietro are low.
Marvel is doing the multiverse leading into doctor strange so don’t lose hope just yet. I think quicksilver was sent here by an outside force since he said he’s here to cause her grief
I mean, in all fairness, Wanda really wants it to be Quicksilver too, but she knows he's not.
#1 “Nicholas scratch”
Me: WHO?!?!?
Literally same 😂😂
Senior scratchy
Bet it’s the mailman.
Like watching a wedding video after the divorce
Lol
I’m still 90% certain he’s actually Piertro from the x men but possessed, brainwashed or altered in some way. I can’t see them using Evan Peter then not taking advantage of the potential of starting the multiverse and bringing in mutants. I also don’t think they would be so mean to tease him then do nothing.
The idea of him not being X-Men Pietro is just so weird to me. Why cast the X-Men actor if he's not really the guy from X-Men? I hope it's not that simple because it would feel disappointing and bad for MCU to use "meta" (real world actor knowledge) as a red herring.
Instead of this being a villain in disguise, maybe he's just being told what to do by a villain.
I think it's a bit of meta-symbolism. Wanda knows that this person, whoever he is, isn't Quicksilver, as much as she wants it to be, he looks like Pietro, he acts like him, he even seems to have his memories, but somethings off about him, so how would they convey that to the audience? Cast an actor that we would recognise as Quicksilver, but know that he's not Pietro, but still want so badly for him to be real.
@@oceankim8791 I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the fact that the merger was so so recent, and if the multiverse concept wasn't being heavily speculated online so much (with Spiderman and Doctor Strange for example)
@@vxder9854 You do realise that Marvel plans their shows and movies years in advance so it's unlikely that they would've known they would have access to Fox X-Men characters in the future.
@@oceankim8791 I'd argue that the legal agreements for the acquisition of the characters would take much longer, but also that doesn't change the point at all. They also would never have been able to utilise the actor in that capacity before, as it would've been ridiculously risky in terms of plagiarism claims, and a serious of other copyright terms.
@@vxder9854 Fair enough. At this point it could go either way, but I'd argue there's more evidence to support that it's not really Quicksilver. Is he the FOX Quicksilver? Possibly. But we can't say for certain.
I personally keep thinking that most of the odd stuff such as the off handed comments Pietro makes comes from Wanda's mental stability as she knows she's constantly lying to herself to have something resemble a normal life after everything she went through.
🎶 It Was Agatha All Along 🎶
#1 and 2 are the best theories I've heard so far. I've seen them mentioned but I really appreciate your input.
Plot twist, Pietro is Mephist... (CHINA CENSORSHIP)
Plot twist, Pietro is Ultron.
You dont need China to avoid Mephisto. American brand christianity is more than enough reason not to go there.
I think it's gotta be another Quicksilver from somewhere in the multiverse, even if not the exact one from the X-Men movie universe. I think it'd be a total waste and even a letdown if he's not the first instance of the multiverse, as they're clearly going in that direction, and a lot of people like his version of the character. Maybe another Quicksilver with MCU Pietro's memories/soul? I dunno, I just don't want him to end up being someone else. If he was just cast as Mephisto or Nightmare from the beginning, that's one thing, but now it would be a major disappointment.
EXACTELY!
Thank You.
It wouldn’t be a waste or a letdown.
@@mathiaswalker350 No not exactly. Just because something doesn’t go the way you want or expect doesn’t mean it’s a letdown or waste
@@jasonmoukala8909 That's...literally the definition of "a letdown."
Me too. I mean, they brought J. Jonah Jameson from the Raimi movies into this universe. Why not Quicksilver?
Haven't been this excited about a TV series mystery since gravity falls.
Personally I think the one pulling the strings is going to end up being Mojo. He's a great "new" X-Men villain that's never been shown before, he's all about realities / timelines, mind control, television broadcasts, ratings, etc
After the events of Endgame and the massive bursts of cosmic radiation coming from Earth, Mojo puts his sights on the planet for a bunch of new television show opportunities. He finds the most emotionally compromised individual with the same radiation signature, finds what they desire most, and unknowingly give them the ability to make it happen, with a little help along the way and even throwing in a character like Pietro to throw Wanda further off the deep end emotionally. All while filming it and broadcasting it as a sitcom series to the residents of Mojoworld. This could very easily lead into the Loki series as well wince Mojo is all about pulling individuals from alternate realities / timelines and putting them into situations that would be entertaining to film and watch. Doctor Strange & TMoM could be used to expand the character of Mojo and the Mojoworld into a Phase 4 level threat to Earth and any realities that Mojo is involved in.
Overall I think that this Pietro isn't the MCU one, or the Fox one, but a third one that was pulled from the multiverse by Mojo and is being given the memories of the MCU Pietro for ratings and for Wanda's sake.
Amazing! I hope this comes to pass.
Leave it to Nando to propose a character I’ve never heard of and still make me think of them as plausible.
Charlie from Emergency Awesome has a theory that Pietro is really just Wanda’s memories of Pietro embodied and come to life. Like similarly with Vision, how his memories and personality is based on Wanda’s memories with him. A creation of the hex, like Tommy and Billy.
Her subconscious needed to deal with the grief of losing her brother, so it whipped up this version of him. Or maybe Evan Peters’ actual character has been mind wiped and given these memories?
I hope it’s Mephisto! Even Peters is such a great actor and so fun to watch on screen, so just coming in as “fan service” would be a complete waste. I hope he reveals to be Mephisto and comes to the MCU!
Like an epic transition of coming in as a Fox character and literally transforming in to a MCU character would be so cool!
I feel like he was planted there by Haywood to distract Wanda so they could recover vision and get back to the work they were doing on him. Still doesn’t explain fully who he is but I do think he could be working with SWORD.
one of my theories is someone wants wanda to bring back the dead .in ep 5 when sparky dies the twins say something like "mom you can bring back sparky" but wanda has never brought back the dead other that vision but hes a robot (also in ep 6, did wanda recreate the mind stone!?!? bc vision leaves the hex and it looks like the thing thats hurting him is the force of wanda trying to pull him back in) the way she could have brought back quicksliver is if she cant revive the dead but just took X-men quicksilver from the X-men universe and dropped him into the mcu (not a bullet proof theory but its fun to come up with these)
This was my exact same thought! It's got to be someone trying to find a way to resurrect the dead. And if it's not the exact same QS from X-men, maybe it's one from a universe very close to that one.
It looked more like what was hurting Vision is that the "life" he was given within the Hex cannot escape with him. If he had succeeded in breaking through he would have gone back to being a dead grey vibranium corpse. Clothing, drones, etc. can have their physical properties permanently altered, but the Mind Stone powers that allow Vision to be anything other than a lump of metal can't be so easily replicated. The Hex can't make a new Infinity Stone.
I'm pretty sure that inside of Westview he's still just a corpse, animated to be lifelike, but once he leaves that magic no longer affects him.
I dunno I think it may have been Agatha all along
It was kinda obvious though, ngl.
I still believe it’s Wanda teaming with mephisto not realising how much danger she’s actually putting people in
Also if pietros not mephisto,he could be like (if it happens)Agnes (Agatha harkness)where mephisto sent nightmare
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What if Agnes and Scratch ( who is an actor by day looks close enough) are both part of a coven that worships Miphisto. That why it's close to the comics without getting bogged down on complex cannon.
She was helping guide Wanda on the path to birth Miphisto's vessels (her kids) and then passed the batton to her son when she became too obvious
It was Agatha all alone
Personally I’ve been thinking that Pietro is mostly a red herring. While his identity is probably going to be a big reveal, I feel like he is acting like an antagonist in the way that a regular crazy uncle might from the perspective of a protective mom, and it’s distracting from them figuring out what is really going on.
The kids CLEARLY arent attached to Pandemonium so we can rule that out....
What I hope happens: Wanda is being Gaslighted by Agatha so she can see the maximum of Wandas reality bending powers and steal them. Wanda was so powerful, she plucked Pietro out of the multiverse, and infused him with MCU’s Pietro’s Memories. She eventually finds out this truth, and thus lashes out at Agatha, killing her. Hawkeye then shows up, and is able to calm her down. The town regains their memories, Tommy And Billy are taken in by Sword, and Xmens Quicksilver regains his memories from the xmen movies, and he is stuck in our universe. Vision is also alive, how ever, Wanda was powering his humanity, and thus becomes a pure white android. Wanda runs off out of sadness, anger, and embarrassment. An after credits scene reveals Doctor Strange feels that Wanda is too dangerous a weapon to be left alone, and partners with Sword to go and find her in the multiverse.
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He can be X-Men Pietro as he doesn't know anything about MCU Pietro that someone on the outside world couldn't have told him before he entered the Hex. I think he was sent in there by someone (maybe Doctor Strange) to try and find out what Wanda is doing and in an attempt to convince her to stop. This would explain why he knows some things about MCU Pietro's life.
Nando making me appreciate Ep. 7 even more with all the lore
I'm so shocked at how early I am that I have nothing to say. I honestly did not see this coming.
What's the matter? Didn't see that coming?
Snooper's gonna snoop.
I think this is A "peitro" not either one we've seen but literally an amalgam of the two, I don't think they are straight up pulling characters from the x-men universe in yet, if they do. I think deadpool is the only one who is directly pulled over. But that they will create an amalgam of everything. Humorously I don't think it'll in wandavision but it's what they are building up to
That's my thought. Or maybe if not an amalgamation of the two, one from a universe that is between the MCU and the Fox X-men, wherein many events played out almost exactly the same, so Pietro remembers some events but not all.
It’s weird how wanda shrieks after closing the door after vision when pietro scares her but when she sees dead vision and dead pietro her reaction isn’t so extreme or maybe im just overthinking
My theory, he's a sword agent sent in by the director to try and weaponize wanda.
I’m not as knowledgeable about the marvel character backlog but I think we’ve gotten more than a few hints in plain sight about Pietro.
The kids are afraid he’s a vampire, so he’s some type of creature that feeds off energy/magic.
Nando already mentioned Pietro seeing the camera but it does also feed into the vampire piece sleeping during the “day.” As we saw outside the hex it’s actually still night, the same night mere minutes after Wanda attacked Hayward by controlling the troops. Pietro knows it’s night outside and hasn’t adjusted his sleep patterns.
The commercial this episode wasn’t based on Wanda’s past like the others. I think it’s based on her present. Her subconscious trying to warn her. The snack is called Yo Magic, as in your magic. The shark, which is colored very similar to Quicksilvers costume, is feeding on your magic Wanda.
I think it’s Pietro feeding off Wanda and pushing her to use more magic so he can “eat” more. I think the Hex is all Wanda and her subconscious trying to deal with all the loss she’s suffered. Agnes having her breakdown at the car shouting “dead” repeatedly and laughing like a witch was really how Wanda was feeling and it expressed through Agnes.
I don’t think Agnes is Agatha Harkness...yet. I think this whole ordeal will have her seeing Wanda as an enemy and a threat and will get her to side with whatever entity Pietro really is to gain witch like powers (or she gains them similar to what Monica is experiencing) and then becomes Agatha.
Also, The Shark sounds very similar to Pietro.
A Bohner in disquise
I definitely think it's either Nightmare or Mephisto, and Agnes is an agent or an ally to him.
Nightmare is whom is rumours to show in Dr.Strange next movie.
I think it’s actually Pietro from X-Men but he’s being mind controlled by an outside force
But the x men universe isn’t canon tho
@@jasonmoukala8909 I think he’s quite literally pulled out of the X-Men universe multiverse style same way Deadpool might be pulled into the MCU
@@jasonmoukala8909 who says that?
@@darkphoenix3901 what do you mean? This is common knowledge
@@darkphoenix3901 it’s canon in that universe. The mcu is earth-19999 and the X-men movies are earth TRN-414. Technically they are all canon but in different universes
Love this show so much. I’ve been sharing weekly recaps on my channel. I’m floating a theory that Hayward has sent this Pietro in. As soon as he showed up they were able to track Vision. Maybe SWORD learned how to tap into the multiverse?
Spoilers.
*_♫ It was Agatha all along ♫_*
>Wanda leaves the twins with Agnes while she repairs the Hex.
>Vision finds Darcy, restores her memories and they discuss his death and rebirth.
>Monica goes into the Hex to rescue Darcy and confronts Wanda with her newfound photon powers.
>They realize that the twins are missing and go to Agnes’ house, where they learn that Agnes is Agatha Harkness.
>In flashbacks, Agatha masquerades as a psychiatrist helping Wanda overcome her grief over Vision’s death in order to control her.
>Under Agatha’s influence, Wanda creates the Hex, which Agatha describes as a dream world but also a “nightmare”.
>Episode ends with Agatha once again putting Wanda under her influence.
*FBI OPEN UP*
It's Ralph Boener!!!!!!!!
Major problem with Pietro being some mastermind is that Pietro was asking how it started
Honestly, not bad theories in hindsight.
This guy giving Mat-Pat a run for his money
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I personally think he is from the X-Men universe and someone(maybe Wanda) gave him MCU Quicksilver’s memories.
The x men universe isn’t canon tho
I don't even think he "has" MCU Pietro's memories. He's just another actor in WestView playing his role as scripted by Wanda. Vision needs free his mind with that trick before we'll learn the truth... I hope.
I like the Scratch theory. He was all the animals (lobster on the door, rabbit in the cage, dog out back ((altho the dog died??))) and now Pietro. Agnes is Agatha for sure, but who knows if she's any significant role yet. Him being scratch makes it more significant, and if the Town really is after the children, Scratch is now testing the children after witnessing them growing last episode.
where is pietro!?
WHO is pietro!?
WHY is pietro!????
how is pietro
HOW is pietro???
WHEN is pietro???
WHAT is pietro???
Bro u crazy, i just realized u change all of your thumbnail even the old ones. That’s just dedication right there.
Now it can be told: Pietro isn't Pietro because Aaron Taylor-Johnson wanted too much money. 😉
You were so close! Correct about Agatha Harkness, but wrong about here not being Pietro
I hope after WandaVision is over Evan Peters sticks around
Honestly Nando, your Nicholas Scratch theory is some next level theorising, great idea.
Congratulations on #4
3:20 Nightmare is actually hinted at a few times in the episode:
1. Earlier in the episode during the SWORD meeting, Hayward states "we take her out, this whole *nightmare* ends" could be an innocuous but if this show taught us anything, it's that nothing is just as it seems.
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2. The term "nightmare" is mentioned again near the end by Pietro ahem... sorry "Pietro" when he remarks to Wanda how he's impressed by what she created rather than be distressed like everyone else "It's a big leap from giving people *nightmares* and shooting red wiggly-woos out of your hands".
3. It could be argued that Wanda's whole dream reality is slowly turning into a nightmare when she sees both Vision and Pietro turn into talking dead corpses and thus being reminded of her trauma.
Mephisto and Nightmare combined
Or, Mephisto, Nightmare, and The Grim reaper, separate, but working together.
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Oh hey, this is a theory I also had. I mean characters being syncretised in the MCU is pretty common after all, and it would be much easier to introduce one new character, than two that pretty much fulfil the same role.
Pietro is probably a manifestation of Wanda’s grief, an emotion out of her control, a reminder of her loss (which he says outright in the episode as well). His calling out of all these things Wanda does is like a subconscious doubt from Wanda herself. He probably has the wrong face because of her internal denial of her own grief, her refusal to remember the exact details of events in Ultron (hence the shock with the bullet holes).
While it would be amazing if he’s another comic character in disguise as it expands the new MCU players, but from a narrative stand point it makes more sense for the show to really focus on her grief. While she’s surrounded by antagonists such as Hayward and Agnes, the show is ultimately about her psych and her mental unraveling, and all these antagonists are there to probe and tease so it pushes her progression forward.
It was Agatha all along
My guess: He's Ultron.
In Infinity War, Bruce mentioned that Vision's mind was made of multiple overlays, one of which was a version of Ultron. I've been thinking that when Wanda stole Vision's body and inevitably tried to revive him, she didn't revive Vision's consciousness, but Ultron's by mistake. Ultron tried to manipulate Wanda, maybe by creating a mental paradise world for her as he understood it, using sitcoms for reference. But Wanda fought back by hijacking the sitcom world from him and making it real. Ultron was genuinely shocked by the vast evolution of her powers, and has been trying to figure out her powers and how to use them since. When Pietro was mentioned, he figured that was his way in and hijacked a rando human's body to pull off this ruse and figure out Wanda's power from the inside.
That's why he knows some things about the twins, but had to guess others. And the cruel things he says--they'd definitely be 100% in character for Ultron. And the fringe townsfolk on constant loops and the fact that they're in constant pain--that's also something a human-hating AI would do. Plus, unlike all the other villains mentioned, Ultron HAS been mentioned and referenced several times now, and would much more appropriate foe for Wanda given her personal history with him.
Just a theory though. We'll see how things play out.
This a great theory that I haven’t seen yet, that’d be a great twist!
Really?? he picks a random face and randomly he pick the face of the actor that plays the same character in the X-Man franchise???
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Yep
I feel like making it just be some random guy that just so happens to have the same face as xmen quicksilver despite that face meaning nothing to anyone in this universe is kind of a cop out.
that Ralph Bohner twist is a smart trolling
I don't like the idea of them bringing in the X-Quicksilver actor as a red herring, especially since I loved him in the X-universe. It just feels like a waste.
Interesting to come back after the finale to see that one of them is pretty close to what happened
doubtful they'd introduce these wild comic characters this late.
He's a manifestation of her self-loathing, and her grasp of the situation is slipping
Loving all the theories! Best thing there are no wrong answers until we see what is actually going on.
I personally think that Mephisto killed the X Men Quicksilver and put his soul into the MCU Quicksilver and their memories got mixed up, I believe he’s a victim of Mephisto and he’s ultimately part of some plot he doesn’t know about yet
I think it'd be the other way around. MCU Pietro's soul in either Peter's body from X-Men or at least an alternate universe Quicksilver who looks like him.
@@melancholyentertainment that’d actually make sense, maybe he took MCU Pietro’s should and killed Peters body from X-Men to put him in that body, also I don’t think that any character is playing Pietro, think about it, if the point is to connect more and have more relationship with, it’d just make more sense to take the form of MCU Pierrot, wouldn’t it?
Nightmare has been "featured" on Wandavision. In episode one while animated Vision is getting "dressed" you can see Nightmares helmet in the floorboards as he phased through. Check it out
Oh
Oh this is kinda hard to watch now lol
If he's an imposter, I submit that he looks the way he does because that's just his real face, not because he doesn't know what Quicksilver looks like.
The reason I think he’s actually Quicksilver is simply that it would make casting Evan Peters a mean prank on the audience with no logical purpose in the plot. Wanda doesn’t know Evan Peters.
I think it’s lazy when a show or movie does something exclusively to trick the audience without it making sense in the plot. And I think Marvel is above that.
So if that’s the big plot twist, I won’t be impressed I’ll just be annoyed.
"This isnt a missing persons case, it's a missing town"
Does everyone just forget that?
None of your points explain why they'd use Evan Peters! You make no sense
I buy your theory!!! So far the most relevant, since you bring up the reason why they have to recast Pietro. Nice job! 😉