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00:00:00 The top manga of all time
00:04:37 How the scores are calculated
00:07:06 1. Berserk
00:08:42 2. JoJo Part 7
00:10:32 Connor's first manga
00:11:04 Adapting Bersker
00:15:19 Garnt wants a Berserk game
00:17:11 JoJo Part 7
00:18:59 Does it deserve the second place
00:20:45 3. Vagabond
00:23:27 The best manga don't have an ending
00:27:59 4. One piece
00:36:56 What is art
00:41:12 5. Monster
00:45:11 6. Slam Dunk
00:46:45 9. Grand blue
00:48:14 12. Houseki no Kuni
00:48:34 14. Real
00:49:34 15. Ashita no Joe
00:50:18 16. Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai
00:51:30 Yotsuba to!
00:52:33 GTO
00:52:55 Twilight of the Golden Witch
00:53:31 Haikyuu!!
00:54:08 The most popular list
00:54:54 2. Shingeki no Kyojin
00:55:22 5. Tokyo Ghoul
00:55:38 4. Chainsaw Man
00:56:56 6. Solo Leveling
01:02:31 7. One Punch-Man
01:03:28 8. Oyasumi Punpun
01:04:22 9. Boku no Hero Academia
01:05:02 11. Naruto
01:06:42 Would The Manga Man been successful on RUclips
01:08:11 13. Death Note
01:08:58 17. Promised neverland
01:11:09 Connor keeps getting One Piece spoilers
01:11:30 Spy x Family
01:17:10 21. Tokyo Ghoul:re
01:17:22 23. Fairy Tail
01:17:36 24. Koe no Katachi
01:17:46 Kaguya-sama
01:18:03 Top rated manga vs anime
01:20:54 28. Komi-san wa, Comyushou desu
01:22:20 30. Gantz
01:22:37 32. Uzumaki
01:22:55 33. Black Clover
01:23:14 36. Deadman Wonderland
01:23:21 37. Claymore
01:24:05 Oshi no Ko spoilers
01:26:25 40. Soul Eater
01:27:49 41. Ao Haru Ride
01:29:20 43. Does it matter if the protagonist is a man or a woman
01:31:04 Frieren
01:35:51 49. Pandora Hearts
01:36:24 Using Google Trends to check MAL
01:37:57 57. Blue Lock
01:39:59 63. Dragon Ball
01:40:05 Made in Abyss
01:40:11 Top selling manga of all time
01:43:49 Bleach has sold more than Jojo
01:45:03 The next manga that we'll be reading
01:45:52 Does Joey still read manga
01:47:00 Avid manga readers
For those who don't know in the subreddit the mod said that the awards will be in the middle of may because the boys are on vacation and this ep is prerecorded
Thx bro
Ahhh makes sense. Thx bro
Kind if low effort, but fine
@@Jimmy-Mctbf Connor just finished biking so
@@Jimmy-Mcbrother they're overseas, the fk you want them to do? fly back to Japan?
The whole “vibe” discussion just destroyed my brain cells
Connor doesn't know what it means, he just like word. Monkey say thing feel good, monkey don't know how to describe. Lol
@@TheIceman101418 Connor is just one of those people who doesn't like to think. I don't mean that as an insult, but that's a pretty consistent thing with him.
He knows when he likes the thing or doesn't like the thing, but he doesn't care enough to think about why. For example: he infamously said music is just noise despite clearly enjoying music.
He's just using the word "Vibe" because he doesn't know how to articulate his feelings. It's basically the same as if someone asked him why he liked something and he responded with "I just do."
@@Sharkofspace I disagree. He is very smart and articulate and I'm sure he'd find a way to articulate his thoughts if he felt the need. The entire point of his argument is that reasoning out what makes a story good is not neccesary. What matters is what emotions/atmosphere/vibe are evoked, not pedantics about plot, story, themes etc.(these terms are very inconsistent every time they're used). In the end of the day all these concepts serve to describe the emotions art creates in us, at least in mine and prob connors view, which btw is not a simplistic view and indeed corresponds to one of the core beliefs of existentialism(existence before essence).
I would say he is trying not to be overly pedantic about art, because thats what art truly is to him. He would be in great company , since most artists think intuitively about art as opposed to how academics and critics view art. That makes sense since out of the 3 he is most concerned with creative pursuits (garnt and joey are primarily critics). His view is completely valid and in no way inferior to a more analytic view of art.
@@martindang7333 Great point. The "vibe" is like your own taste in art. Subjective and unique to you.
@@martindang7333 I agree with this. Joey and Garnt's points are that you can pinpoint a specific factor of the art style or the plot or the music that quantifies the vibe. But Connor's point is that it doesn't boil down to any one of those factors, it's your initial gut reaction to the work (the vibe) that quantifies your experience. The whole is not the sum of its parts.
Nominating "The Vibe" for a new Trash Taste Awardw category - The Confusion Award
Or the monkey brain award
Hell nah it made perfect sense to me 😤
@@blank9789 Connor isnt hard to understand, because his definition of anything is all surface level in its raw form. If a person cannot explain what they like about the anime, they will just think "I just vibe with it". But in reality, there is of course a reason, any reason that makes you vibe with a medium. Exactly why connor refers to music as beeps and boops. He's actually the definition of monke and doesnt really think deeper on topics like this.
The talk about what a vibe is and art without humans has to be simultaneously the most insightful and most frustrating conversation I have ever listened to involving these guys.
It's very "I am 14 and this is deep" territory.
Sometimes Connor in a nutshell. Lol
It was hilarious I wished it never ended 😂
They just didn't have the right vocabulary to convey what they were trying to say, "vibes" based mood pieces are a very normal and respected style in plenty of mediums.
Bone in and boneless was even more frustrating
“What did you like about this manga”
Connor: The vibe
“Okay. But what specifically”
Connor: The vibe
“Like the art, the story, or-“
Connor: The vibe
That's a vibe
He’s so real for that
Monke activated.
Joey pointed out things on what makes a manga or anime compelling, and this guy just says vibe. He discuss about art and then when asked what's an art, he can't even explain what an art is, even on his own standards. This casual should not be in this panel.
@@knaveofsouls6080honestly as an artist, i agree with connor it doesnt really have to mean anything, its your view of the art, when i create "art" i dont really think about what it means, its just how i feel about something.
The mistake conor made with the "vibe" explanation is that he kept switching back and forth from it being a subjective thing to an objective thing. That's why Joey and Garnt were confused.
I agree with this. Like when he said One Piece didn’t have a vibe. I wouldn’t consider it a series with strong vibes, which is what I think he was trying to say when he said its main strength was its story and world-building, it definitely has some vibes. I’d argue its vibe is the wacky humor.
But anyway, I think if he had just said he didn’t really enjoy One Piece for its vibes that he would not confused them.
Connor doesn't know the difference between those two words, lol. Hard concepts for monkey, lol
@@amazing2157channel He said the vibe because he got One Piece Video, so he need to keep hype it up LOL
Connor can just cancel reading One Piece just like Joey did if he did not enjoy it
also because he kept saying The Vibe, as if its a single unchanging entity that requires a proper noun. If he said "an individual story's vibes" I think everyone would understand what he means.
I agree. On a side I agree with him on things like they can't be quantified etc, on the other side I'm with them: he's way too much doublestandard in determining what vibes are and if there are or not. In that way one can use the term for everything and nothing :| Like: I agree with that thing about every panel in Berserk having powerful vibes, but "vibes" aren't some esoteric power, they aren't there cause the page has midichlorians or the ink was made by some mysterious isotope that emanates "vvvvvibes". The vibes are conveyed through the masterful way Miura used composition, lineart, portrayal of motion, design, etc. They aren't thing that can be quantified in numbers, but they are thing you can determine and analyze, they aren't some nebulous "VVVVVVIIIIBEEEES!" xD
When Connor's talking about "vibe", he seems to be talking about a work's tone or atmosphere and the art style that provides that. For the "art" description, me and my art professor discussed about it. "Art" is a human-made creative expression through a medium. It's why scenery or objects that are naturally created by nature rather than humans don't count as art just because it looks "beautiful".
Strictly speaking, I think he means vibe as in, his emotional connection to a piece of work. Although, it's definitely different from how you would use the word in "good vibes" and "bad vibes", which is more about tone I think. To Connor's point, there doesn't seem to be a single definition of "vibe".
@@_ch1pset Emotional connection can also be due to the tone/atmosphere. If that's the case, then Connor's meaning of "vibes" would be too vague. Even people are arguing about what he meant.
@@_ch1pset very simple:
Berserk vibes:
lonely formidable warrior guts
companionship of puck and his antics
creepy souls and demons
dark and gloomy weather (often)
even if a Berserk episode was super slice of life and fillerish, you would be able to enjoy it because it has set such an immersive atomsphere. And this is what he meant when he was pointing to a random Berserk panel, it's pure unique vibes at play.
Meanwhile people literally make episode lists of skippable OP filler cuz its boring lol. You can't watch OP without at least a mini story(episodic) or some small advancement in the over arching story.
@@_ch1pset You cannot define what makes something a vibe, because it is subjective. But vibe is using human instinct and gut feeling to describe something, and that gut feeling of what makes something look good or feels good to you does have a basis behind it.
I swear "the vibe" is a fucking all time legendary segment imo
its just joey and garnt disagreeing with connor but actually agreeing with him without realizing it
The word that Connor should've used is catharsis loll would've made the conversation much simpler lmaoo
Kind of sounded like Connor was just saying one piece makes him feel nothing but it's a good story
@hysteriaval that's literally what they did lmao every counter point they laid out against him was everything he already said or agreed with and yet they still said he was wrong 😂 like they wanted to argue for no reason. He was basically saying everyone has their own personal vibe on a subject that may affect their way of thinking
@@JewJitSuSixty9 he was describing it like he was talking about the art style and he mentioned that like three times.
"The episode they filmed 20 mins ago" as mentioned by Joey, is 196 .
It's funny cuz that's ep they talk bout Toriyama
@@grodymakes this guy is just lying for no reason 😭😭
@@andromedamnn you mean op? If you looked at their clothes, 196 is the episode with highest possibility and relevance
@@ryana5435 oh no I was referring to joey
@@andromedamnn what's the lying part?
Joey was so based talking about shoujo. Yes we need more shoujo rep!!!!
I'm surprised that no one mentioned Fruits Basket there, or that it wasn't high up on either Top rated or most popular lists. It's one of the most recognizable Shoujo manga, also outside the usual audience for the genre, and it had a big boost of popularity thanks to the new anime. Hell, last season of Fruba was even on the #1 spot for a while after it ended.
The way Connor start speaking like a cult leader the moment they started talking about THE vibe is insane
Clearly this episode was to give us more options for "Worst Take" and "I Made it the Fuck Up" awards.
Wake up babe new trash taste episode just dropped
Also, for those who are not on reddit, they decided to delay the annual trash taste awardw because the bois have been busy. So look forward to that in a few weeks!
More in details, cuz the boys have been super busy with the Cyclethon, and they’re going to be in Australia for Dreamhack at the end of the month, so with all the travel they’re doing they didn't have enough time to get everything setup according to Alex in sub pinned post
Cringe
@@balabanasiretigonna cry?
I love how mudan edit the podcast. The beginning of this video is so funny!
This was such an enjoyable episode.
Please do more anime and manga episodes.
Maybe you guys can talk about specific anime and manga you've all seen?
😊
When I was in year 12 my art teacher said that if we ever used the word vibe when trying to describe a piece of art she would throw us out of the classroom because it is a nonsense word with no tangible meaning and I feel like that is very relevant here.
That's very fair.
😂😂
what is she an art nazi? policing how one ought to speak about art? yes we can't just only say vibes but vibes is a valid response
@@AJJ129 Uneducated way of saying different elements that melds well together.
@@WieldMyWordIt's a slang...
And how is it uneducated when it literally describes what you said perfectly?
A "vibe" is the felling you get from the way that all the elements of the piece work together to form a product greater than the sum of it's parts.
I understand if that teacher just didn't like the word for whatever reason because the generation before never likes the slang of the generation that comes after but to say that "vibe" makes no sense or is an "uneducated" way of saying something is just wrong in my opinion.
The word "cool" is an uneducated way to describe something you like and think is interesting and exiting, and also, it makes no sense since the thing you are referring too is not cold.
Language changes and evolves over time, abbreviations and expressions are a natural product of that.
Listening to a discussion about "vibe" devolving [evolving?] into a metaphysical discussion about the relation of the human mind to reality is a peak moment.
I love listening to these idiots just waffling. Feels like a night out with your lads when no one makes any sense. Super grateful for this podcast, I can't say I've ever stumbled upon other content creators who capture this feeling as well :)
The vibe and art convos are Connor’s “I feel” definitions without ever digging deeper into what either term means
I like how Garnt is so used to their BS that he just goes silent and picked up his phone when they were talking about "Bean Piss"
oh so "bean piss" is what they keep talking at the beginning and got bleeped by Mudan?
@@ryana5435 piss isnt even a word that youtube hates, why did he censor it lmao
Better safe then sorry.
@@srutoIIRC, they have mentioned in previous episodes that youtube thoroughly checks first 15-20 minutes for obscene/curse words, so they try to tone down their british/australian sides for that time period
I feel the same way when he shares his "reviews"
Takehiko Inoue is the GOAT.
49:24 to correct Joey, Real came out AFTER Vagabond started releasing so its actually the other way around. Inoue took a hiatus from writing Vagabond to write Real instead. Inoue has this sense of responsibility in maintaining an impossible perfectionist standard in regards to Vagabond so he writes Real as a break from his burnout working on Vagabond. Also it's not in "permanant hiatus". Real's latest chapter was released this February.
bro was like, this thing so good i'm gonna ruin it if I keep going
@@KyleYousef.Nah fr. This guys standard is crazy. I remember there was a documentary of him working on a chapter of Vagabond behind the scenes and despite it releasing as a 10/10 chapter he was very unhappy with it. So much so he slammed his manuscript on the ground.
Real is so goated. It gave me a new perspective on the lives of physically disabled people
Real is a real masterpiece
Inoue definitely is a perfectionist when it comes to his work but I don’t mind it since it’s his passion that keeps him going and not monetary value in selling his work which I really despise when it comes to artists and creators.
42 mins in but this has been an one of the funniest eps i've watched period. Garnt drinking weeks old water after almost moving on from the vibes conversation (instant classic) just destroyed me
28:50 god that discussion on vibes made my day
Easily one of my favorite openings to an episode. Garnt drinking foul mystery liquid he found on the floor, a half-inaudible argument about coffee beans. Unhinged. I'm hyped.
200 straight weeks of non stop trash taste, almost 4 years and it's still as entertaining if not more, you gotta respect this consistency
Definitely feel like it's improved over time. Just gets funnier and funnier.
🤨
They became unoriginal and boring to me
Fell off hard
almost 4 years is crazy it feels like the first episode of trash taste was like 6 months ago. sadge
In an attempt to help Connor try to understand what "Vibe" is
Vibe is basically STYLE. And it's not limited to art style.
Style can be fashion direction, cinematography (how the panel is sliced/framed), music direction, etc etc.
You, Connor, happen to like dark + cool + violent vibes, which lines up perfectly with Berserk.
One Piece's vibes are silly + fun vibes.
And yes, slice of life stuff ALSO HAS A VIBE. Chill vibes.
Stuff like Domestic Kanojo and Kuzu no Honkai has a vibe. Angsty vibe.
Yes, "Vibe" can be quantified, but not by the average laymen.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Yes it called feelings. Connor feels happy and enjoyable when he saw something with dark, violent, cool stuff.
In my understanding, it's supposed to be any kind of underlying composition that creates atmosphere and enhances or convey underlying themes. This does not require the characters as agents of the story to do anything in particular to invoke an emotional response.
My latest example would be Boy and the Heron. The movie is a very simple story for the fundamental plot. But there are so many aspects to the millions of details that create underlying themes that are hard to grasp without external context. Thus it creates a vibe that doesn't rely on the plot of the movie to move in this direction.
BUT I think it's a very different thing for evefy medium due to the qualities of each medium. Anime has different dimensions such as time which makes pacing of moment to moment situations more relevant. While manga has a pacing on the bigger the scale, the flow of panels and the way how much is portrqyed in the limited pages. But a reader is the one dictating the amount of time they view each page. So every page can become a painting to observe and "vibe" with.
And then there is the entire aspect of systems theory and cybernetics but that's going too deep. Media student out.
@@albertl5444 Yes, he is using the word to represent "I'm into this type of stuff"
But he sadly dismissed that things outside of what he likes are also Vibes. Just not his kind of vibes, I hope I explained it in an easy to understand manner
@@yarion4774 Found the fellow media person lol
And yes. It can be something as simple as a "pause" in certain scenes.
Some movie/anime will just blaze through a convo, but then you find those shows that do dramatic pauses with excellent results and feel "Damn, that's so vibe when the music stopped as he paused before saying 'I loved you' " or something
It is everything as a package, the combination of fashion, music, art style, camera work, timing, but not focused on the story/character action itself.
For example, a show can be about the horrors of WW2, but if you use comedic vibe with silly cuts and upbeat BGM, you get a completely different product.
To anyone interested, I think the best publicly documented case of controlling the vibe to a perfect degree that you can in essence ORDER your audience to cry on cue, is Kimi No Na Wa / Your Name.
Of course, it affects each person in varying degrees, but a good writer/director has always been able to quantify what to do/include in order to make the audience feel certain ways
I think that conversation about the vibe is the exact vibe of this podcast, Crazy and chaotic!
"Vibe" is a noun that describes a distinctive feeling or quality that can be sensed. It can also refer to the character, quality, or atmosphere of a place or situation.
here ya go meaning for vibe
Land of the Lustruous (Houseki no Kuni) deserves a lot more rep. Deserves to be on this list for sure. Shame none of the boys have read it. It's something that Garnt would definitely make a video on.
a lot of manga deserve a lot more rep tbh , stories like hnk , usogui , pandora hearts aren't very popular despite the fact that they have amazing writing
@@SkeetWeet4368 I feel like pandora hearts got quite a bit of rep back in the day, nowadays nobody mentions it or talks about it
@@HyperKrystit had a lot of traction on tiktok the last year or two, people who make videos on manga on tiktok mention it
Houseki no Kuni’s manga is so good but god is it also just pure depression
can't wait for the final chapter next week, I'mma do a re-read of the entire thing from the beginning on before it drops so I can be ready to be emotionally destroyed on an astronomical level
Started rewatching the oldest trash taste episodes and have been watching since they originally came out. It’s weird seeing them change so little yet so much hard to describe it’s like their vibe has evolved a little.
Them being surprised stuff like Horimiya or Pandora Hearts were popular really tells you that they only started reading manga in recent years. When I was getting into reading manga back in the early 2010s, these were the manga that were recommended to me from looking up manga recommendations so its not really that surprising that they have a lot of members on MAL.
that's exactly how i felt abt them getting surprised over ao haru ride😭 (shoutout to joey for reading the shoujo classics and connor mentioning the female lead thing)
Joey has been reading manga since childhood so I don't think that's why. Popularity of certain things change and so people just forget really, that and these just might not be the stuff they're interested in.
@@ardrensc6630 I know he has. However these manga were popular at one point for people getting into reading manga in the West.
Joey reading manga since childhood doesn't mean he knows what people found popular at the time.
@@VectorCross Exactly. Difference in environment and interests. Was just saying I didn't think it was due to how recently they started reading :)
@@ardrensc6630 It definitely still has to do with how recent they started reading. Joey is more an exception. Him reading manga in his childhood is no different from me reading some random series in a school library.
Connor and Garnt are very much new to reading manga obviously. They had never even heard of Horimiya before its anime adaption yet MAL numbers which are mainly users from the West give a good idea of what was popular back then and why the number of users are so high.
My original comment was explaining why these manga were popular. If they were scouring the internet at the time for manga recommendations in the early 2010s then they wouldn't be surprised.
This was definitely an all time Trash Taste episode. Arguably up there with the boneless chicken one.
I am still a very big user of MAL. Have been for more than 14 years now. At first (when I was younger) I was actually active on the forums and clubs, but for the past 10 years I have just mostly been using it to track and discover shows. I think a lot of people tend to be like that as well.
same here
I only use it to save anime I enjoyed, because hell if I'm able to remember every good anime I watch in my brain!
Mal was godlike back then to track animes that I was watching between pirate sites and apps 🙏🙏🙏 even nowadays I still use It to track the longer mangas that I read
half expected this episode to be the trash taste awards
Yeah same
Awardw*
But yea same
Awardw*
Yeah What Happened
Sad
Congrats on 200 episodes!
Also, this video kept reminding me of my favorite Filthy Frank line:
I'll always be one step ahead of you... cause I read the manga ~
Someone please replace every time Connor says "the vibe" with the vine boom sound
52:57 Umineko is easily one of the best stories out there and is incredibly overlooked outside of the visual novel reader community. The manga adaptation is amazing too, which is why it’s rated highly. Extremely powerful and emotional journey, highly recommended for anyone who loves a good mystery.
How tf are you already at 1h 😭
it also has the best female character in animanga
@@SkeetWeet4368Who? Cause imo Beato, Ange and Eva are all contenders
@@Ash_Wen-li beato is on a whole different level imo , she's easily the best female character in animanga imo . whats your opinion on bernkastel
Everybody that starts their journey with Umineko visual novel gets impacted by it in some way or another, this shit is so insanely good
Joey and Garnt failed the Vibe Check.
Nah they were making a good point, Connor had pretty much nothing to say so he just said vibe over and over
@@SquareOstrichnah the sheer people in the comments who got his idea alone bear witness to the fact that isn't true
@@Caleb-zl4wk Numbers mean nothing, he just thought something was cool and tried to spin it into something bigger that's all
@@SquareOstrich I disagree but like... it's all good. Mb for sounding combative in that last comment, I forgot how exhausting doing this all over a comment section was lmao
@@Caleb-zl4wk Dw my dude, I like your vibe
I liked how the conversation goes
I actually liked that discussion about the art and vibe. Yeah its gonna open up a big worm hole. But that's what trash taste it about. A tangent which leads to the darkest time line or a talk about completely different topic than you ever imagined. Kinda like drawing yourself a dream car and ending up a nuclear missile rocket with infinite food glitch.
Connor: "what the hell is Umineko?"
bruh
Anime podcast, but doesn't know Umineko.
Maybe don't f*cking mimics a different language pronunciation .
Do works with translation
@@miksuixnot an anime podcast genius
@@miksuix there are no umineko anime
weeb ahh pfp
This episode is such a vibe man
this has been one of the most entertaining episode of the year
They're all really on edge this episode and I love it haha
Mudan really putting in work with that intro, huh? Seriously masterful work there, on the random cup and then all those bleeps haha!
I am so confused…aren’t they saying “piss”? How is piss considered bleep worthy but all the swears are ok?
@@amazing2157channelBecause it’s early on the video. Advertisers/youtube that’s just how it works.
@@amazing2157channel maybe "bean piss" is a new thing will trigger snowflake YT demonetization bot?
@@amazing2157channel I believe its mainly how early in the episode it is
@@willzombieking8100 Yeah, that's what I think it is, too!
From how I'm understanding the vibe discussion I think Connor is thinking not only about the artstyle but also the perspectives, povs, mood settings shown through the art etc.
Exactly! I got what he meant. Think of the vibe of as a place. It's not JUST the lighting. The crowd. Scenery, location, food and drink. It's the subtle combination of seemingly distinct things that make a vibe!
my Artdirector and I got an aneurysm from conners explanation. Mood, lighting, setting, povs are literally artstyle/ artdirection I kinda get what he is putting down but joey hits the nail on the head tbh
@@Kliefer you are going too into it while trying explaining what he meant lol it's subjective and very few intelligent humans like us and connor can comphrend what actual vibe is for us we know when we are vibing with sm shtt like flow state
true they didnt liked connors comment on one piece which they are simp for it and banded together to destroy connors opinion
@Typhonnyx Whats subjective? Because quite literally all art has a "vibe" in reality Connor was just saying he liked one manga better so its a "vibe".
The whole "vibe" and schrodinger's art arguments had my head spinning.
Congratulations on the big 200. 🎉
Before clicking on this, I just knew none of them had read Land of the Lustrous, and I feel both validated and saddened.
real
it so unfortunate since hnk is so amazing
I hope they get into it at some point
honestly, Tokyo Ghoul deserves the ranking... Yes, we all know the anime is garbage, it's pretty much the poster child of manga that got butchered when they adapted it. Hell Garnt even made a video in defense of it when he actually went and read it so it's surprising to me that he didn't really talk about or defend it here because it's so obvious that Joey and Connor haven't read it and are just basing their reactions of the memes and anime...
I read Tokyo ghoul before watching the anime and I honestly don’t think any adaptation would have done the manga justice. It’s the same with berserk
Yeah, I thought Garnt would defend it atleast a little bit, but I am not surprised. In his video he did say Manga was better and really good but did consider it as a Masterpiece or something near that level. For me it is a masterpiece.
I feel like thats the general community's opinion on Tokyo Ghoul too. That the manga could really be considered a masterpiece, even people who haven't read it know that so I was really surprised to see how they wrote it off here. At the very least they didn't even discuss what they dislike about it :/
@@minie776 Exactly my reaction. I think the reason they didn't get into it is that it seems only Garnt has actually read the manga, and while it's hard to say based on his video alone it doesn't seem like he completely caught onto a lot of the smaller details and things that would elevate it from just a good manga to a great one. I could also be wrong here as it could just be time restrictions making him cut things down for the video, or him trying to avoid any spoilers... But he never got into things like how the characters and their personalities are represented as tarot cards and how the story mirrors the fool's journey. He never got into any of the foreshadowing and small details such as the "chin touching", Kaneki's relationship with his mom, the symbolism of his hair color, even the damn title of :re which was right in front of readers for like 80 chapters without the community catching onto what it actually meant. He did touch on some of the great points though such as the depth of characters, how morally ambiguous it can sometimes be, and how Ishida breaks the mold with his panels to really show the emotions of the characters.
But despite all this it doesn't feel like he really "got" everything, at least not from just what was presented in the video. Again, it could just be to avoid spoilers, but from his video he still presents it as if Kaneki became a ghoul by accident and incompetence on the doctors parts... He doesn't really discuss some of the major differences between the anime and manga such as what actually happens post "white hair Kaneki" and he doesn't really touch on the details missed in any of the anime adaptations, such as the scene in :re where they forgot to make Haise touch his chin in the anime! Out of context it sounds like an extremely nitpicky details to complain about, but in the context of Tokyo Ghoul it's about as bad as it gets as it litterally gives the scene the opposite meaning of what it's supposed to convey!
Well, I always have the manga to look back at. It's a masterpiece imo. Sad that some people won't give it a read based on what the adaptation showed.
I'm a manhwa reader and totally agree on Garnt's take. If I want to feel cultured, I'll read manga. If I want to quickly satisfy my base desire to see an underdog surpass his competition or a shy girl get a hot guy, I'll read manhwa. Manhwa is mostly composed of stories that objectively aren't that great, but have pretty colors, characters, and tropes that people love.
I think a really interesting way to adapt a manga that is intrinsically tied with its unique art (such as berserk) is through neat little additions of impact frames. In the post-wano OP adaption you get little call backs to original panels and I think berserk has the potential to take that idea to a whole different level
It pains me so much to see that two of you guys don’t know Pandora Hearts, it’s a genuinely great dark fantasy / mystery manga that you’re doing yourself a disservice with not experiencing it at least once, because that is one where everything - from beginning to end - has been planned out in complete detail and you really notice it the longer it goes and the more you read
It’s my favorite story of all time
it's one of the best shonen manga around imo , unfortunately it had a trashy anime adaptation and because of that it fated into obscurity . it does get a lot of appreciation on elitist circles on tiktok though
Yes! I've re-read it many times and it just keeps getting better as I notice things I missed previously.
@@alyssa8167 I got my hands on a limited box-set of 12 2-in-1 physical volumes of it with the box the style of the series at the beginning of this year when only 3 were left, and I cannot wait for my next re-read
Pain-dora Hurt as they called it
Imagine spending that much energy and time in your life that someone else who you don’t know doesn’t like the thing you like.
I completely understood connor's view on the vibe because thats exactly how i feel.
There is more to the vibe than the story. There is the setting, the mood, the character designs, the aura and so much more.
Lets say one piece is drawn in miura's style. The vibe would still be different due to the character designs. Just by looking at guts and his gritty armor, you can see his dark vibe. Luffy on the other hand looks more carefree with his free flowing bright red vest, light blue jorts and slippers.
He can just say "I dislike One Piece & like Berserk more"
Joey asked about what Connor does not like about One Piece, but he only answer "I don't like the vibe" which is the same as i dislike One Piece in a smooth way of saying
@@HapPawhere connor has said that he likes one piece tho. I mean hes still reading it and wants to continue reading. Correct me if im wrong tho.
In the same vein, Miura's artstyle probably would not work for One Piece. It's vibes require a more cartoonish artstyle.
The art and vibe argument is so fun
i feel like when talking about manhwa's story it kinda shows that maybe japanese mangaka having an editor helps so much in terms of how well the story is made
No trash taste awards? WHYYYY 😭😭😭😭
I've prepared my suit and wine for this episode.
comin mid may
In subreddit pinned post, Alex said “We're going to be delaying the actual episode till mid may, as the boys have been super busy with the Cyclethon, and we're going to be in Australia for Dreamhack at the end of the month!
With all the travel we're doing we sadly didn't have enough time to get everything setup so just wanted to apologize and thank you for your patience 🙇♂️”
they fell off
@@NTNG13 ???
wtf it’s episode 200 we have always expected a Trash Taste a Ward show every 50 episodes so why are you just giving us a mediocre one 😭
42:45 That Johan impression XD
Jesus Christ Connor, I'm crying lol!
“I feel like it’s only recently that manga has gotten more popular internationally…”
Once again female otaku fandom gets ignored. Manga especially shoujo manga has been getting read en masse by international fans for DECADES, but they were so isolated from the male otaku fandom who mostly stuck to anime. Then the admittedly much bigger male otaku fandom gradually got into manga from wanting to hop onto whatever chapter the anime they just watched ended on, and here we are, as if only recently manga has become a popular thing for international otakus to consume. I will say though, in the 2020s it seems like these fandoms have pretty much fully overlapped and it’s been great to see!
YES, shoujo fans have been reading manga for so long. A big factor to this for me personally was to compensate for the lack of anime adaptations initially but it got a point where I started enjoying them exclusively.
Yeah, outside like the really big stuff (naruto, dragon ball, maybe some ranma) back in the say there was no shounen (and definitely no seinen) manga in libraries and the like, but there was a heck of a lot of great shoujo!
Indeed I didn’t even know there was a western male otaku base in the mid-late 2000s. The boys were always the minority in my teen library anime club. The anime shown and asked about on trivia were usually shoujo or shoujo adjacent works such as Tsubasa, Vampire Knight and Ouran koukou host club. In fact if you look at MALs formative top 30 most popular manga from 2007 on Wayback, a third of them are either Shoujo, produced by Clamp, or both.
Tbf, most of josei and shoujo have more overused troupes than your typical isekai. But at least no ones think you having a trash taste by reading it
@@user-vs8ms5cu8ttell me you don't read shoujo or josei without telling me you don't read shoujo and josei. There sure are a lot of derivative works within the demographics, but not any more I've found than in Shounen and Seinen
this episode was such a vibe
52:58 UMINEKO MENTIONED‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️
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I totally get what Connor means by feeling the "vibe" of a media. You can and cannot explain the specifics of the vibe. I think vibe is a very personal way of how people connect with a piece of media. Garnt's and Joey's interpretation of vibe seems to be based on more logical and rational factors (like art style or storytelling etc.) that convey the vibe of a piece of media. As Connor said, for him, the "vibe" can't be clearly defined. A show can make no sense at all but you can still connect with the show; you feel the "vibe" even though you can't really explain why you enjoy the show. It's more on an emotional basis, therefore it can be rather irrational that sometimes can't be explained in a logical way.
I mean in the end it's totally subjective what gives you the vibes.
yup like peeing on top of a mountain
true they didnt liked connors comment on one piece which they are simp for it and banded together to destroy connors opinion
You are overthinking it imo, Connor was pushing it just to mess with them. Initially yeah he tried to pass it off as a real thing but he saw that the others were confused and he rolled with it and made it way bigger of a thing than he initially envisioned
Vibe is gen z slang of "Enjoyable" probably
So, just another word for "personal preference" or "taste"?
1:30:40 joey was so based for this
The vibe segment was a vibe
I think I get Connor’s vibes thing its just hard to describe. I agree One Piece isn’t a vibes show, but I do get the vibes from characters like Kizaru and Aokiji. And when the camera zooms out dramatically to show a ridiculously sized character standing over everyone. That shits a vibe
Bleach
Yeah there are many different types of vibes one piece has lots of fun adventurous vibes and just like you say many villains feel unstoppable because of their height and design.
How Garnt went from discussing the nature of art to immediately drink of some cup that was lying around is a moment I expect to see at the best of this season of Trash Taste
Vibe - a person's emotional state or the atmosphere of a place as communicated to and felt by others.
The vibe of a piece of art is but one small part of what makes it unique. The unique thing about it is that it changes from person to person, and that a vibe takes all other pieces of a work into account. Not that it’s the end all be all.
Yay more manga eps these are my fav to watch 💝great vid boys
52:55 Umineko no Naku Koro Ni is my favorite piece of fiction ever. I highly recommend both the VN and the manga! Episode eight is the final part and totally deserves to be up there
W it is peak.
To put real words to Connors Vibe argument, I kinda agree. A vibe can be anything and anywhere, if you're feeling the feels from it. A vibe could be a cool night at a bummy 711 gas station parking lot and a vibe can also be entering the world of different stories. It's the entirety of the Atomsphere that makes up a vibe. Color, tone, story, location, weather, feeling, and all them coming together. Thats what creates people's unique environment and if you enjoy that environment, that's your vibe. The hardest part in figuring out who you are as a character is narrowing down your vibe 🤙
I love Mudan's edits
Garnt is valid for forgetting everything and just seeing a cup and go, Mmmm, drinky drink!
* SLURP *
The ADHD is real ✌️🤣🤣🤣
wydm is real garnt literally did the test and exposed and confirmed he has ADHD on this podcast lol
I know, that’s why I said it. I’m liable to do the same thing because of my adhd
Connor must be JoyBoy because I haven't laughed so much at the word "Vibe"
People said Lord of the Rings was unadaptable too. Then Peter Jackson did the impossible and made a movie basically the first of its kind filming all 3 back to back with just tons of budget and prep and just everything. Sure it is not a perfect adaptation of the books but it was amazing.
Connor's rant about vibes is so based tbh. It's like atmosphere in games, you can't exactly describe it tangebly or accurately, especially for someone who doesn't see it or care for it, but man does it elevate something to a new level when it hits the spot
vibes is the whole package. take out 1 element and it wouldnt be the same.
Skill issue , check your ability to orchestrate words describing abstract concept
You just define what vibes is. Vibes is what you feel toward something. Everything can be a vibes if you feel something towards it.
Not really, it's bad and poorly explained
@@albertl5444 All these comments about you people saying nothing 😂
I genuinely can’t believe Garnt and Joey couldn’t comprehend what Connor meant by vibe 💀
Connor makes no fucking sense/contradicts himself 80% of the time
@@anhedonia420when?
@@anhedonia420 bro did you even watch or just spouting nonsense . Connor was right about vibe.
@@shadmanbashar6067at one point he said vibe is combination of art, story, etc. But on other point he said he can feel the vibe with only one panel of manga
@@haruki5360 What does that contradicts? Those "vibe" Connor described can be felt through just a single panel but because that panel is a part of the story and combines it with art of course you can feel the "vibe" from one panel. It's like seeing the berserk Eclipse panel, you can appreciate it as an art piece without reading berserk but if you read berserk you can appreciate the panel more than just a sick looking art.
This episode had quite the vibe
Vibe = atmosphere thats created, how it makes you feel “comforting, nostalgic, excited etc”
Just to add my opinion on the Vibe Discussion:
I have this idea of 'charm' where you can let a story with objective faults slide because the other aspects carries it.
this episode was truly a vibe
*The vibes* are great as always
Man this episode had such vibes
Congrats on Episode 200!
My sculpture teacher said it’s important to explain what you like about some thing in art but it’s completely useless to explain why you like something in art and I feel like the “ vibe “argument that happened in this episode is prime example of that
I loved this whole episode. It was interesting, entertaining, and I got to learn about some other manga to check out.
I'd love it if you guys read some shoujo manga or read their anime adaptations and gave your opinions.
This episode is a vibe
52:55 Umineko mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️✍️🔥
It’s peak 🦧
Rat mentioned :D
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the best out of context clip which might win a TT awardw started here at 41:19
Garnt just casually grad a cup of stale water out of nowhere and sipped it two times (the second time he might finished it) until he frowned and realized it at 41:42
Mmm well actually, Studio Eclipse, an independent studio made up of Berserk fans, is working on a faithful adaptation of the first Berserk arc (The Black Swordsman) and they're said they are going to adapt the whole arc and no censorship. First trailer it will be released in May of this year.
the Vibe talk almost had me screaming at my monitor. like he uses vibe like it's a mcguffin and when I hear all I can think of is the term brain rot.
I had a stop in the middle of my shower because as someone that loves literature the thing that Connor is describing as the vibe is tone! TONE. in modern times a lot of people have actually described tone as vibe probably starting from the beach boys good vibrations. But yes, tone is something you can specifically like about a piece of literature.
Garnt’s description of “vibe” made total sense to me, Connor’s made no sense to me and made me feel like I was going crazy
(and I do have an arts degree haha)
3:14 Joey: “we filmed that 20 minutes ago”. Oh so they filmed those backlog episodes back to back?
Listened to this on Spotify and needed to come here to say We NEED a supercut of this episode for every "The vibe" moment. That shit was both infuriating and hilarious.
Y'all and philosophy are like brain cells and fentanyl.... Connor is right through and both y'all gaslighting that man.
Facts lmao
It was weird cause they were agreeing with each other but for some reason thought they were disagreeing haha. Ended with joey saying all I'm saying is xyz and Connor being like wait but that's all I've been saying aswell.
The vibe explanation? Sure. Art existing without human observation? Nahh
Nah i agree everything effects the vibe, vibe is like a sampling of everything, tone, art, story, characters, dynamics, dialogue, pacing etc. Not everything is weighted the same between each individual piece of media but everything plays a part. A lot of times vibe is mostly art & tone but even then everything plays a part. Like even if the artstyle is gorgeous and consistent if the characters and dialogue conflicts with it in a way that doesnt mesh, it wont vibe well. Even the medium effects the vibes to the point where some pieces just cant be the vibe in one form. Also personal perspective also effects vibe significantly, theres a reason works, like some shoujo stuff, vibes much more for women.
The "VIBE" in this episode is good, favorite ep so far just really felt the "VIBE" in this one
this episode is a vibe
Definitely agree with Connor about vibes, to me vibes are something that I use to describe something I like when I don't have any other words for it.
The vibe of this episode was impeccable