This is a first... a video that gives me deep joy in seeing classic cars race and at the same time deep anxiety in the chance of a classic being wrecked. 🥴
This race organization would do very well in the US, where there is a huge untapped market of people that want to see real production and muscle cars race. How have they not thought about that? 330,000,000 potential customers.
even now,clipsal race or what ever they call it,when ford ran the mustang,it won every race,,so they penalised it..i dont care as i have a dodge challenger,340 r/t 1973..
Is good, is Touring Car Masters. I agree with Blake ramp up the lap numbers per race. Actually replace supercars after 2021 with TCM! Great race and top racing.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more Commodores and XD Falcons coming into the series, that's rather the era when I really started paying attention to racing. Loving the Tru-Blu tribute livery on the Johnson car. That Capri Perana is going to be one to watch, and I think it's going to surprise a few people when it has more development under it. Mustang power in a significantly lighter body, there's definitely good potential for a lot of speed there, and track Capris always seemed to be able to be made to handle well, even if the road cars, well, didn't really...
This is easily the best racing ive seen in a long time I just wish this kind of racing was more popular in America ive always loved Aussie muscle but I wish I could recognize the cars better haha only ones I could really pick out were the mustangs camaros the 1 capri I saw and the toranas which I thought were monaros at first haha
our racing died in 1989,when we banned all,foreign cars,why,??.we couldnt compete with them.sierra,s,godzilla,nissans,blitzed everything we had,so,ban them,why,.,because we have to sell shit box holdens,,thank fk they have gone..IF,,your GM,,cretins,,had let us import,denali,s,camero,s,chevy 4x4,s,ect.they might still be here,...we sent or had a contract to sell''holden''chevs,to you,,you sent them back,,as the quality was crap..holden & gm,never talked,,..least i drive ford,,as its a world wide car..NOT,just aus..[ i also own a 73 r/t challenger,340..thank you u.s, ]]...ever watched british touring cars,,there aint no rules..unlike here where you get a drive thru for touching..frigin garbage racing..theres a vid,of an escort at spa,,flat chat,,brilliant race.
plus,,When they ran camero,s at bathurst,with the 6lt,,they were stopped from fitting disc brakes,,as they had in the u.s,,as they would of killed the holden domination,,any excuse to ban a winner..one eyed ass hole holden drivers..
@@phantomwalker8251 wow id never heard any of that but again im in the U.S. and i never got to see any of this growing up all we had here was a couple of the major NASCAR races and Indy unless i wanted to go watch rally out in the woods but that only comes around once a year or go to the drag strips but now i understand some of the animosity ive heard from some people when it comes to holdens i didn't realize they were changing rules to keep their cars competitive that seems like a load of bull to me if the car cant compete make a better car if you cant make a better car get a better driver if all else fails there's no shame in losing to a better team
So the blue Falcon they were talking about at the start with the Detroit locker issues, is a 1979 XD Falcon, somewhat similar in shape to your foxbody mustangs, only a 4 door sedan. The valiant pacer, also blue, is very much the sedan version of your Dodge Dart. We used to have great motor racing in Australia, but the direction the main series (known as V8 Supercars, Marcos Ambrose started here!) has gone in, has left many fans looking elsewhere, such as this TCM series! Great cars, great sound, great racing! As opposed to the one team dominated supercar series....
Is it just me or is this better than supercars? How about flick the modern mustang and commodore bodies. And replace them with vintage tin. And FFS put it all back on free to air.
You are right Ian, way more exciting to watch. They could take the concept and modernise it then we would see all sorts of current model cars racing instead of the oh so boring formula that Supercars has become!
The UK needs some of these racing as opposed to the namby pamby tin tops we have with probably half the horsepower and 20 x the cost!! Awesome racing..
This is so much better than stupid V8 Supercars Dick Johnson is a legend I just pulled a little metal ring out of the Detroit locker and turn it into a spool. So cool👍
It would be great to see these cars in the original paint jobs as they were off the show room floor. Sponsors on the roof only. Power to weight ratio rules could make for great racing. I agree, not enough about the cars on the race info. Historic group N is very strict on car presentation, maybe there is a format out there for everyone.
@@bimercatracho One thing about it my use of the English language is light years ahead of your welding skill and choice of rusted metal you are butchering that BMW with. Buzz box welder , nice.
that vb should have a 308 in the engine bay not a chev same as the toranas as that's what the car came with I like tcm racing love it a lot more tho if the Holdens had 5 litre in them I'm waiting for the haters comments now don't worry everybody I no I'm a dying breed I'll always love the iron lion
@Andrew Ongais I don't have a race ready car but I do own a 308 and have done for a very long time now and if it comes a time you can't get parts for them anymore I'll put a coyote 5.0 in my car as I love those motors as well
@@shellez101 I would think you are right on that I don't no if he still has it or not but John bowe did have the Holden 5litre in his torana I clearly remember that but that was a number of years ago now he could have changed
you are joking arnt you.??.no holden was ever good at handling.most torana,s at bathurst,had v8 running gear,in a 6 cyl,,just to keep up with ford..no std, torana had 3 degrees camber.or v8 brakes..holdens had to win at any cost,THAT,, is why the sierras got banned when they were 4 laps ahead.holdens had no chance,,frigin dinasour cars..IF,holdens are soooo,goood,,why did they run ford 9" diffs.????????????????????????????????????????????...chev,s were allways the poor mans cheap car,,holdens didnt even come close to that..
Yes, I had a hard time admitting the Toranas were better balanced than XB/XC Falcons. Holden’s Torana is the best-sized classic muscle car the world has ever seen.
Good job love just watching racing and not them piss farting around tha pits talking about suspension and dumb ass rule changes love TCM need more laps!!!! Triple it up to 30 laps!!! 10 not enough especially when 3 of them go into sand trap there goes 4 laps straight up!!!
TCM is a classic class for hobbyist drivers or owners. Discussion of suspension happens alot but it doesnt get published because its a more casual series.
@Ade Matthews alot of those kind of people just want a series where there isnt any professionalism because professionalism is boring to them. they want the 'cowboy' era of racing back where different groups of people were trying lots of different things because the mechanics were not completely understood. Back when you could just pay to win by buying the best car and driver.
That would be awesome but a lot of these cars wouldn’t last 30 laps. Stricter Homologation rules would have to be placed so it would end up being all similar builds with just different shells. But I’d love to watch it!
Team member blocking the master..... that's a dirty win! Master needs to put a little NASCAR bump team member out the way. It got Tat! Google spell check is college Spam....when text.
This wonderful category should become Australia,s number 1 .., Forget the idea that gen 3 is going to be any better! Infact its the opposite, no Holden v Ford , no interest..
Haven't seen this for a while, and when they introduced the Torana without the wheel arch flares, I thought that's fair. Now they have fucked it, as usual. I see the Commodore is allowed large wheel arches as well. Why would you bother with a larger car when you can do a smaller package with the same wheel track and tyre width, these classes always end up fucked up and balanced towards one car, what the fuck is the point. Within 2 years it will be Torana Vs Commodore racing.
Formula 1 drivers get how much per year? They're pre-madonas, fragile, and ultimately would be demolished in this type of racing. I'm from the US, and THIS is the type of racing I love most!
I wouldn't say fragile - any non conditioned driver getting in an F1 car is bound to lose their lunch and not put enough brake pressure due to the strength required.
Nascar is the equivalent of WWE wrestling. It has been for decades. The last remnant of actual racers and real life racing died when Dale died. All racing, other than this touring car masters, is nothing but pointless 200mph billboards. And it needs to change.
"TCM engine" Great now they have made this category boring as well by making all the cars run the same engines....When they show the grid they only mention the driver and sponsor..no mention of the car type.....it is not footy...people actually watch car racing because they like the cars...
TCM spec is a "nominal' its a rules free engine and a great idea for entry level teams. they dont have to develop an engine when an entry level is purchasable off the shelf. Often in series where development or homologation is allowed you have a situation where money wins. Look at WRC or F1. its all about the money. Thats not to say a spec series is free of money buying you wins, but its alot harder to buy a win in a spec series.
TRUTH SEEKER you can run whatever engine you want but if you don’t have unlimited money there is the option to run their spec engine which will be relatively competitive
@@mitchellrobinson9810 Unfortunately it takes away the excitement of seeing different types of engines running..racing once meant seeing technical development being tested before your eyes...in a win or die trying environment....a lot more exciting...but in 2020 everything has to be about the money...
TRUTH SEEKER the likes of Bowe and Johnson etc. are all doing exactly that, except the motors are all 40 years old anyway so I don’t see what’s good about that, there’s only like 10 or so guys running the spec motor because they don’t have an extra 200,000 a year allocated to spending on engines, have to remember most of these guys in Touring Car Masters build these cars in their own workshops with a very small team, it’s mostly privateer racing
I'm saying it again. This stuff is the best road racing going. It should make some money. It's the best show in town.
Cam Tilley and his Pacer Valiant are my favourites!!!
This is a first... a video that gives me deep joy in seeing classic cars race and at the same time deep anxiety in the chance of a classic being wrecked. 🥴
This is way more entertaining than the current touring cars
This is what racing is all about 👍🏻
“Fantastic to watch”
As someone who watches more F1 and LMP, I'm thoroughly impressed the driver hopping the corner at 4:51 didn't end up in a wall. These cars look sick.
Thank you so much for uploading this!!
This race organization would do very well in the US, where there is a huge untapped market of people that want to see real production and muscle cars race. How have they not thought about that? 330,000,000 potential customers.
even now,clipsal race or what ever they call it,when ford ran the mustang,it won every race,,so they penalised it..i dont care as i have a dodge challenger,340 r/t 1973..
This makes me want to play some GRID.
How’s the new one?
Just sitting at work listening to these glorious noises! Makes me want to go drive!
Outstanding, real racing from Florida!!
Is good, is Touring Car Masters. I agree with Blake ramp up the lap numbers per race. Actually replace supercars after 2021 with TCM! Great race and top racing.
Love this, thanks for posting for those of us otherwise unable to see it.
Wow.....What a race, well done to Lily if bowe had one more lap he would have taken a gteat race win too. Awesome racing gents!!!!!
Thanks by the way, great Race and commentary!!!
Proper racing, thuroughly enjoyed this.
Great commentary. Thanks!
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more Commodores and XD Falcons coming into the series, that's rather the era when I really started paying attention to racing. Loving the Tru-Blu tribute livery on the Johnson car. That Capri Perana is going to be one to watch, and I think it's going to surprise a few people when it has more development under it. Mustang power in a significantly lighter body, there's definitely good potential for a lot of speed there, and track Capris always seemed to be able to be made to handle well, even if the road cars, well, didn't really...
This is easily the best racing ive seen in a long time I just wish this kind of racing was more popular in America ive always loved Aussie muscle but I wish I could recognize the cars better haha only ones I could really pick out were the mustangs camaros the 1 capri I saw and the toranas which I thought were monaros at first haha
our racing died in 1989,when we banned all,foreign cars,why,??.we couldnt compete with them.sierra,s,godzilla,nissans,blitzed everything we had,so,ban them,why,.,because we have to sell shit box holdens,,thank fk they have gone..IF,,your GM,,cretins,,had let us import,denali,s,camero,s,chevy 4x4,s,ect.they might still be here,...we sent or had a contract to sell''holden''chevs,to you,,you sent them back,,as the quality was crap..holden & gm,never talked,,..least i drive ford,,as its a world wide car..NOT,just aus..[ i also own a 73 r/t challenger,340..thank you u.s, ]]...ever watched british touring cars,,there aint no rules..unlike here where you get a drive thru for touching..frigin garbage racing..theres a vid,of an escort at spa,,flat chat,,brilliant race.
plus,,When they ran camero,s at bathurst,with the 6lt,,they were stopped from fitting disc brakes,,as they had in the u.s,,as they would of killed the holden domination,,any excuse to ban a winner..one eyed ass hole holden drivers..
PLUS,,holden would flood the field..10 cars entered,they even let brocky change cars,illegal,,when his blew..its all rigged for holdens..
@@phantomwalker8251 wow id never heard any of that but again im in the U.S. and i never got to see any of this growing up all we had here was a couple of the major NASCAR races and Indy unless i wanted to go watch rally out in the woods but that only comes around once a year or go to the drag strips but now i understand some of the animosity ive heard from some people when it comes to holdens i didn't realize they were changing rules to keep their cars competitive that seems like a load of bull to me if the car cant compete make a better car if you cant make a better car get a better driver if all else fails there's no shame in losing to a better team
So the blue Falcon they were talking about at the start with the Detroit locker issues, is a 1979 XD Falcon, somewhat similar in shape to your foxbody mustangs, only a 4 door sedan. The valiant pacer, also blue, is very much the sedan version of your Dodge Dart. We used to have great motor racing in Australia, but the direction the main series (known as V8 Supercars, Marcos Ambrose started here!) has gone in, has left many fans looking elsewhere, such as this TCM series! Great cars, great sound, great racing! As opposed to the one team dominated supercar series....
Awesome cars and great category
Beautiful racing. :)
Great cars, great racing!
Where has this series been all my life??
That was a great little race!
Bowe Wow! what an excellent and intellignet driver!
John Bowe is a legend. That is one driver you don’t want to see in your mirrors . . . you’ll grow up real quick!
This is better racing then the V8 super cars, damn they are on it full time
Was good watching almost real cars!
@Gus Johnson. You do realize that most of these TCM cars have about 75% composite (plastic) body panels.
@Gus Johnson How many times can you post the same shit comment in one forum?
This what racing is all about =)
I hear, I like already.
Great racing.
Best Racing in the WORLD !!!!
seeing old cars race is far more entertaining to watch compared to todays racing. I'd rather see this than watch F1
Awesome racing
now that's real racing..
Long live the Torana hatchback. Wish I still had mine.
Is it just me or is this better than supercars?
How about flick the modern mustang and commodore bodies.
And replace them with vintage tin.
And FFS put it all back on free to air.
Ian Moylan They reproduce the original chassis this is really great :D
Ian Moylan not just you. These cars look and sound better!
You are right Ian, way more exciting to watch. They could take the concept and modernise it then we would see all sorts of current model cars racing instead of the oh so boring formula that Supercars has become!
Race Start at
4:35
Who won here?
What a race!
Better than any over regulated modern eco toss racing happening in Britain.
Si las pistas fueran de tierra sería la mejor categoría del automovilismo .... nada más que agregar
The orange mustang is the coolest looking, imo. Someday ill have a classic
This man John Bowe, what planet is he from? He is not human.
The UK needs some of these racing as opposed to the namby pamby tin tops we have with probably half the horsepower and 20 x the cost!! Awesome racing..
Good work that man.
Bless you sir!
Wheres the super production car the honda eg and the ae86 fghting few years back?
This is so much better than stupid V8 Supercars Dick Johnson is a legend I just pulled a little metal ring out of the Detroit locker and turn it into a spool. So cool👍
Way cool. Old guys rule.
Well its more entertaining but they'll never go as fast as V8 Supercars.
Nice race
It would be great to see these cars in the original paint jobs as they were off the show room floor. Sponsors on the roof only. Power to weight ratio rules could make for great racing. I agree, not enough about the cars on the race info. Historic group N is very strict on car presentation, maybe there is a format out there for everyone.
I'm curious, Cameron Mason related to Steve Mason ??
These guys should be at the grand prix
What's the make and model of the blue and white #60 car?
Thats Cameron Tilley in his 6 cylinder, normally aspirated Valiant Pacer . Check this out Roman ruclips.net/video/cj6rnE6WRHE/видео.html
@@TassyDeval, it used to have the 265 hemi 6 cylinder but it now has a mopar v8 in it.
This is real racing... F1 is nothing like it !
Are these original historic racecars or tribute cars?
Blue car 17 name?
XE Ford Falcon. Australian model. Steve Johnson driving ☺
At 9:14 - that’s not a ‘69 Camaro ..... car 95 is
Mad fun. No XA,s B,s Or C,s. Coupe Four door's what ever True blue look's fast.
Gary Easdale I really wish there was an XC out there, though.
So much better than Supercars!
Better racing than today’s circus.
Wait... no FIA handing out after race penalties to benefit their ferraris???? This IS good! Thanks for posting!
11:47 nice
Cool!
Why are toranas so fast?
they have to win,so there rules are different..even at bathurst.they cheated..
@ 2:31 a bit redundant really...
Supercars take note moving forward more of this.
@Gus Johnson you ok friend?
@@Agent_Clark He's just some salty boomer that's been copy-pasting the same response to every comment he sees
The Toranas own this series
Is it sad that I thought it was a video game when the video first started?
This is where nascar needs to get back to. Instaead of cookie cutter cars with decals.And loose the desstruction deby driving.
@Kool Change destruction derby---- i fired my spell check
The English language is like algebra to you.
@@bimercatracho One thing about it my use of the English language is light years ahead of your welding skill and choice of rusted metal you are butchering that BMW with. Buzz box welder , nice.
These cars are better than the crap they race around in now.
This is for the 20 dislikers.....
Go grab your E-Scooter or E-Board....put on your concrete boots...and Jump in a lake or sea .
Torana car masters.
Yep with a chev same as the commador
its got a fing LS in it.
yes, making special rules for Holden again. And it shat itself anyway. Just like the old days.
Why only ten laps? More would be better.
that vb should have a 308 in the engine bay not a chev same as the toranas as that's what the car came with I like tcm racing love it a lot more tho if the Holdens had 5 litre in them I'm waiting for the haters comments now don't worry everybody I no I'm a dying breed I'll always love the iron lion
@Andrew Ongais I don't have a race ready car but I do own a 308 and have done for a very long time now and if it comes a time you can't get parts for them anymore I'll put a coyote 5.0 in my car as I love those motors as well
Pretty sure the toranas have the 6 litre engine
@@shellez101 I would think you are right on that I don't no if he still has it or not but John bowe did have the Holden 5litre in his torana I clearly remember that but that was a number of years ago now he could have changed
De-stroked 327 chev
@@leighmartin5151 Was the 302......Different animal.
Go Toranas!
Ford is Lord
commodore,huge tunnel ram,,4 cyl brake rotors...
Torana LH/LX great handling cars
you are joking arnt you.??.no holden was ever good at handling.most torana,s at bathurst,had v8 running gear,in a 6 cyl,,just to keep up with ford..no std, torana had 3 degrees camber.or v8 brakes..holdens had to win at any cost,THAT,, is why the sierras got banned when they were 4 laps ahead.holdens had no chance,,frigin dinasour cars..IF,holdens are soooo,goood,,why did they run ford 9" diffs.????????????????????????????????????????????...chev,s were allways the poor mans cheap car,,holdens didnt even come close to that..
@@phantomwalker8251 do you homework. Get your facts in order.
Yes, I had a hard time admitting the Toranas were better balanced than XB/XC Falcons. Holden’s Torana is the best-sized classic muscle car the world has ever seen.
Good job love just watching racing and not them piss farting around tha pits talking about suspension and dumb ass rule changes love TCM need more laps!!!! Triple it up to 30 laps!!! 10 not enough especially when 3 of them go into sand trap there goes 4 laps straight up!!!
TCM is a classic class for hobbyist drivers or owners. Discussion of suspension happens alot but it doesnt get published because its a more casual series.
@Ade Matthews alot of those kind of people just want a series where there isnt any professionalism because professionalism is boring to them. they want the 'cowboy' era of racing back where different groups of people were trying lots of different things because the mechanics were not completely understood. Back when you could just pay to win by buying the best car and driver.
They have to cater for everyone mate, I really enjoy the engineering aspect behind the cars
That would be awesome but a lot of these cars wouldn’t last 30 laps. Stricter Homologation rules would have to be placed so it would end up being all similar builds with just different shells. But I’d love to watch it!
B R A S I L.
Team member blocking the master..... that's a dirty win! Master needs to put a little NASCAR bump team member out the way. It got Tat! Google spell check is college Spam....when text.
Jesus Racing :D
Number 33 Mason nothing to see here.
Bowtie John
John bowe
John bowe hi mate how much you can
South Australia is Australia's flyover state
This wonderful category should become Australia,s number 1 ..,
Forget the idea that gen 3 is going to be any better! Infact its the opposite, no Holden v Ford , no interest..
Haven't seen this for a while, and when they introduced the Torana without the wheel arch flares, I thought that's fair. Now they have fucked it, as usual. I see the Commodore is allowed large wheel arches as well.
Why would you bother with a larger car when you can do a smaller package with the same wheel track and tyre width, these classes always end up fucked up and balanced towards one car, what the fuck is the point. Within 2 years it will be Torana Vs Commodore racing.
Formula 1 drivers get how much per year? They're pre-madonas, fragile, and ultimately would be demolished in this type of racing. I'm from the US, and THIS is the type of racing I love most!
I wouldn't say fragile - any non conditioned driver getting in an F1 car is bound to lose their lunch and not put enough brake pressure due to the strength required.
@@jordongonzales emotionally fragile...not physically.
iconic commodore,?.be real. look up the meaning of iconic..
Nascar is the equivalent of WWE wrestling. It has been for decades. The last remnant of actual racers and real life racing died when Dale died. All racing, other than this touring car masters, is nothing but pointless 200mph billboards. And it needs to change.
"nascar brakes" uuhhhh they are brembos on your car dude...
i think he ment nascar spec brakes
@@nkill6 well alright then, guess my ford F150 has racing spec brakes then.
Nascar uses Brembo brakes, he very well could have a NASCAR brake package on his car.
@@Stiverson73 then that means i have nascar brakes on my V6 mustang (if i upgraded to brembos) so big fucking deal, it wasnt even worth mentioning.
"TCM engine" Great now they have made this category boring as well by making all the cars run the same engines....When they show the grid they only mention the driver and sponsor..no mention of the car type.....it is not footy...people actually watch car racing because they like the cars...
TCM spec is a "nominal' its a rules free engine and a great idea for entry level teams. they dont have to develop an engine when an entry level is purchasable off the shelf.
Often in series where development or homologation is allowed you have a situation where money wins. Look at WRC or F1. its all about the money.
Thats not to say a spec series is free of money buying you wins, but its alot harder to buy a win in a spec series.
@@20110102 YAWN.....
TRUTH SEEKER you can run whatever engine you want but if you don’t have unlimited money there is the option to run their spec engine which will be relatively competitive
@@mitchellrobinson9810 Unfortunately it takes away the excitement of seeing different types of engines running..racing once meant seeing technical development being tested before your eyes...in a win or die trying environment....a lot more exciting...but in 2020 everything has to be about the money...
TRUTH SEEKER the likes of Bowe and Johnson etc. are all doing exactly that, except the motors are all 40 years old anyway so I don’t see what’s good about that, there’s only like 10 or so guys running the spec motor because they don’t have an extra 200,000 a year allocated to spending on engines, have to remember most of these guys in Touring Car Masters build these cars in their own workshops with a very small team, it’s mostly privateer racing
hahaha holden without a holden motor, typical
The logo's on the cars could be a lot more creative pritty boring!!!
"Jesus Racing" ... Jesus Christ. Some people have to insert their religion into absolutely everything.
Watch these cars comeback into the spotlight. Supercars today are shit and it's only gonna get smellier
Can NASCAR! Road racing is far more interesting
Junk trash racing ...
THIS IS F@#$%ING RACING