Personally, I do not believe any opportunities will happen unless Humanity confronts the Grieving of our Planet. Without arriving at the 5th stage of grief, there will be no acceptance of Reality; hence, when Climate Change becomes obvious, most people will be FREAKING OUT, unable to lend a helping hand. Most will be searching for medical or psychological assistance. Approx 38,800 views in 2 years? Really? 54 viewers/day! People don't give a HOOT about Climate Change.
The result from the COP25 meeting is grim: co-operation between countries around the globe is far away. Emissions are still going up, and there is no sight of any action that emissions will be getting lower by the end of 2020. I fear we missed the goal of oppurtunity and are heading towards the inevitable.
We've already spent enough money in the last three months in the USA alone to engineer our way out of a crisis. The highest estimates for sufficient carbon capture and sequestration are $5 trillion. It faces huge technological and engineering challenges, but it can be done.
@@squamish4244 The issue is that this crisis requires ALL countries to work together. Do you see USA and China working together, or Saudi Arabia and iran? Not only will they not work together, but their mind is set on economic recovery. They will not invest 5 trillion for carbon capture technology. They are currently waiting for the arctic ice to melt so they can divide the arctic region into trading routes. That is the mindset of our " leaders" .
But it doesn't. The USA or China could pay for this all by themselves with no international cooperation. Just as we've already done with Covid, as terrible as the response has been. Therefore, the goal may not be as far out of reach as we may think. And that a technological intervention IS within reach. If things get dire enough in about ten years, one rich country may decide to act unilaterally. It's either this or some billionaire deciding to spray the air with sulfur - which will be tried in an emergency, make no mistake - so we might as well advocate for the safer route. I'm a pragmatist about these things - if pragmatism is anti-human suffering by whatever means necessary. International cooperation will certainly be required to transition to a carbon-neutral economy, but until such time, we will need technological solutions to buy us that time.
@@squamish4244 I understand your position, but I am more pessimistic when it comes to human nature. We could have easily solved the hunger problem, but did we? No. We could have ended slavery worldwide. Did we? No. As of today slaves are sold on the open market in Libya. We could do many great things, but in the end one country or one billionaire will not be able (or be willing) to solve this global issue. And if things get dire? Things ARE dire right now. Not in ten years. Right now the permafrost is melting, making things sink and collapse (see Norilsk last week). We need to act right now, and we don' t. In ten years we are way too late.
The capitalism is formed by billions of people, which can only see a threatening situation when it comes close to them. It's just now that some of us are realizing that we're all gonna die and that we've been warned. Something that was going to happen since we began to live in an industrial civilization, around 1750.
But it gives us a space to reflect. Do all the intelligent forms of life in the universe reach this point where we are, when they annihilate themselves and the life on the planet simply because they cannot understand nature enough?
@@ramondias3037 > Bro, our race against time ain't over till it's over. Yes, humanity will eventually go extinct, 1 way or another. So, the key issue is quantity vs. quality of life. So, choose a great death & a best-case ecotopian future ASAP or more dystopian oblivion & horrific mass-extinction by default.
David is an optimist. He believes that population will increase by 2100. That 4 degrees increase indicates how much power we have to control global warming. He believes food production will decrease 50% by 2100. He doesn't want people to become paralyzed with fear, just afraid enough to act.
I read the introduction 'Cascades' in his book. I cried as I read it: it is much much worse than I knew. I found even that section alone a shock. This is truly terrifying!...Everybody should read it - all heads of state, heads of corporations and the public... It should be turned into a no holds barred documentary movie illustrating what the world he describes at different temperatures will look like including what is happening today. It should pull no punches. James Lovelock, the scientist who wrote about the earth as being an organism, in an interview published in New Scientist a few years back, said in so many words that it was all too late - the theme being, to quote the words of the song, "enjoy yourself, it's later than you think." Governments have been toying with or "dabbling" in addressing global warming as if it was an unimportant afterthought to score political points. The political will just isn't there: too busy are they in amassing private and personal wealth and depriving the vast poor whilst ignoring what is happening to the environment right under our very noses - some even vilifying the Greta Thunbergs of this world! I weep for the massive decline of bird song - and that's just the tip of the iceberg (no pun intended). I cannot believe this is happening in my lifetime. We have to start believing it: it really is undeniably here. 😢
Why aren't there more headlines on climate change? Why isn't this a daily topic of conversation for everyone? Why aren't climate and sustainability courses mandatory in schools?
How does this only have 3.835 views (22-OKT-19) when David Wallace is well known by now, and the channel has 1,06 mln subs? It is such a dramatically low number it almost feels as if Google is censoring itself on this?
As Carl Sagan realized, too many of us are too easily bamboozled, and human foibles make it most likely that the longer & worse we're bamboozled, the less we want to know about it. In other words, the all too common defect of vanity + conceit + corruption + stupidity + neurotic denial.
The latest climate models revealed at COP25 are showing a worst-case scenario of about 8C by 2100, so that is twice what he said we were heading toward. Basically, it just gets worse each year. The more computing power they throw at the models, the worse the results seem to get.
Rite! We need mass-collaboration now to avoid a worst-case scenario by 2030 to 2040. Yes, it requires all-out global commitment to an ecotopian alternative (to dystopian horror-show) beyond imagining ASAP.
We've already spent enough money in the last three months in the USA alone to engineer our way out of a crisis. The highest estimates for sufficient carbon capture and sequestration are $5 trillion. It faces huge technological and engineering challenges, but it can be done.
Throughly enjoyed this in depth account of the future - brilliant mind . So refreshing to listen to a totally honest account of just how scary our future really is . I was delusional before listening this - twice . He is right on the money . Anyone criticizing David has either not read the book or is so complacent denial is their comfort zone . The severity of the consequences of another +1degree will be catastrophic . 2030 looks challenging guys ..........
It's March 22, 2020. It's not quite so hard anymore to imagine reducing air travel, eliminating the cruise industry, or slowing and redirecting our economy. to grow in a different more sustainable direction.
@989Bigboss > Maybe we'll get lucky & the shock & heat waves of a supernova in our stellar neighborhood will blow away the air vaporze all the water & turn Earth into a cinder ball, very quickly. The last we'll know about it is a sudden sensation of increasing brightness. Or, less luckily, maybe some rogue generals will get so pissed off they launch H-bomb satellites that do mega-EMPs over all continents (except Antarctica), melting the power-grids & killing billions who depend on electricity, refrigeration, pumps for oil, gas, water, etc., hospitals, grocery stores, liquor stores, computer games, cellphones & the Internet. That would be less miserable than the much slower version as sea-level floods coastal areas, roads, cities, towns, refineries, chem plants and nuke-power plants. On the other hand, as Dave mentioned, there are many unforeseeable options for mass-response equivalent to the productive development accomplished in 3 years, from December 1941 to mid-1944, but times 10x or more.
Doing nothing will make slow death Way mo horrific than doing our best to minimize the damage & suffering. We have only 2 main choices: Do we want the best possible ecotopian future or horrific dystopian oblivion?
High temperature (molten salt) nuclear reactors can be used to combine carbon (taken from the air) and hydrogen (from water) to form liquid fuels for transport, including for air travel. No long-term buildup of carbon in the atmosphere using this technology. Some fraction of the total production of fuel could be buried (if we don't frack all rock strata) as a very stable form of carbon sequestration. The most efficient and fair way to cause the economy to transition to a sustainable path would be to make prices honest by charging fees to industries that put pollution or deplete resources or destroy wildlife habitat, then share fee proceeds to all people. Sadly, reporters do not mention systemic solutions when they report systemic problems. And they report only the *symptoms* of the systemic problems. 'Make prices honest' is a plain-language way of saying "account for externalities". When we account for externalities, we will align profit motive with societal and environmental health. When we do this in a fair way, we will end poverty throughout the world. Equal sharing of natural wealth promotes justice and sustainability: gaiabrain.blogspot.com/2018/06/equal-sharing-of-natural-wealth.html
John Champagne First, MSR are a long way from commercial viability, and we may all be gone before we get there. Second, it takes years to build reactors, and between Chernobyl and Fukushima, it’s not going to happen.
@@mitchellsmith4601 Molten salt reactors operate at close to normal atmospheric pressure. No need for an expensive pressure vessel and containment building. They can be built in factories at a rate of about 1GW of new generating capacity per day. Factory production makes it possible to benefit from economies of scale. It also means increased ability to attain high quality control standards. Molten salt reactors do not require triple backup generators and pumps. In the event of a problem, fuel can be drained from the reactor under the influence of gravity. No need to rely on equipment being maintained or operators doing specific tasks. Safety is assured not by engineered systems but by the fact that liquids flow downhill. How rapidly we develop MSRs depends on how rapidly we change the regulatory environment (so, for example, a drain plug can be accepted in place of diesel generators and cooling pumps), and how high we make the carbon extraction fee.. The willingness of banks to lend money for new power plants depends in part on how many years it will take to recoup the money. If we know now how to make molten salt reactors that would last for seven years, then banks will finance those projects if the carbon extraction fee is high enough that a power plant can pay off investors in seven years. If there is little or no fee charged proportional to how much carbon is extracted, then the economic prospects for a new nuclear plant would suggest a 20- or 30-year time frame to recoup the investment. The test of various alloys in the presence of various fission products hasn't gotten to the point that we are confident that they would last 30 years. Making prices honest (by charging fees proportional to pollution or extraction) would promote faster development of sustainable options. Honest prices would mean a huge improvement in the economic appeal of molten salt reactors that can make jet fuel and other fuels for transport. The development time for molten salt reactors will depend on many factors. We can make the transition happen faster if we make prices show environmental impact costs, by charging pollution and extraction fees. Sharing fee proceeds will ensure that the policy benefits, rather than harms, those who are least well-off. A change in the system that causes prices to honestly represent costs will encourage action on all of the millions of little things that would help move us in the right direction. LFTR in Five Minutes: ruclips.net/video/uK367T7h6ZY/видео.html
@@JohnChampagne I appreciate your explanation, but I already know all this. There's no doubt that MSRs are safer than PWRs: MSRs will automatically shut down when power is cut off. That's great. But nobody has one working at scale yet. The Chinese have been working on this problem for years, and so far, there isn't a commercial scale solution. But it's too late, nuclear had its chance, and the people of this world are terrified of Fukushima and Chernobyl, so that's it for nuclear power. The stigma attached to nuclear can't be undone, and it shouldn't be: years later, we still haven't contained Fukushima, and we may never be able to contain it. You can talk yourself blue in the face educating the public on the relative safety of MSRs, but nobody is going to listen so long as Fukushima is spreading radiation.
knowing how humans are forgetful and short-sighted (like the NIMBYism in renewable energy opposition) this is the most realistic analysis of how humans and society responds to climate change.
I'm back after 2 years and have read David's book twice. Truly do believe that there is going to be a massive die off in the next couple of years (myself included - not that I care) but I think it is a tragedy for the animal kingdom.
Cover crops (which farmers used to use) could drastically increased carbon recapture. Also farming with the terrain to avoid runoff. Fertilizing with animal manure as nature intended. When we abandoned age old soil management techniques, and became dependent on commercialized techniques - our food system and our public health deteriorated fast. Wake up People!!!
I think if, I think if, I think if. If we, if we, if we. I think if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass every time it hopped, or one may have a good case study for the evolutionist. You know that you don't put a waste disposal inside of the fish aquarium. (You must clean the filters, or change them, removing the waste from that ecosystem) There's a hell of a lot more going on here than climate change alone and it's a burden to know what to expect. I'll be praying for all of us. AIRBORNE
Great interview, really, but some things I have an issue with. Firstly, what about global dimming? If we cut our emissions we increase temperature through loss of global dimming. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. This seems to be simply ignored despite it being well known and researched by leading scientists. Secondly, talking about additional warming by the end of this century, without being honest about the impacts of those temperatures, is unhelpful and creates an impression that humans can continue to live in +4C, +5C etc. We cant. +2C is catastrophic, +3C sees many, many millions of people dead. Billions of people are dead at warming above that. Really, forget any possibility of significant numbers of humans surviving past +4C. Thirdly, alarmism is about taking the very worst possible case scenario, and then hamming it up some just to ram the point home. There is no need for alarmism about climate and biodiversity loss.. what we need is truth. The truth is hideous, the most frightening thing any of us can ever imagine. Its not alarmist, its truth. Think about this.. +4C by the end of this century (the current trajectory) means 3 more degrees of warming in the next 80 years, 1.5 more degrees of warming in the next 40 years (temps will then be at +2.6C), 0.75 more degrees of warming in the next 20 years (temps will then be at +1.85C.) These figures dont take into account the impacts of various tipping points which might occur, like mass methane release. We really could be completely f*ucked within months.. or it could take a little longer.
@@mitchellsmith4601 I'm using the figures from the IPCC.. I am aware that some figures now start later than pre-industrial, which of course makes the increase look smaller. In terms of explaining it to people I think its difficult to get into that, it can be confusing to understand the politics and impact of academic rigour in addition to the science, especially as the international bodies are using different data to that which you've quoted. Personally I think the IPCC data is way too conservative (it doesn't use current data until it has been universally accepted, which takes some time) and that seems to be borne out by scientists constantly producing data which says things are happening faster and to a more severe extent than had previously be thought. For example the IPCC has an ice free arctic in something like 2075 but all the currently observable data tells us it is imminent now. So I agree we will reach degrees of warming before the dates the IPCC uses. But frankly, the IPCC data is scary enough, and I am reaching the conclusion that the scariness of the data doesn't make people react.. they cant think into the future when they look out the window and see the green and pleasant land they live in right now. And they dont want to change, they like their life the way it is. This affects people across the board the same way, doesn't matter if they're educated or not. They just block the issue out because its far too challenging for them to process let alone act on.. even if they're the prime minister.
@@IckyTzatziki It's definitely scary enough, but by the time enough people are terrified, it will be too late to do anything about it. How many people are willing to raise taxes so we can figure out new carbon sequestration or capture technologies? We could be planting trees anywhere they'll grow, but we aren't. I think there are more ignorant people than informed people, and as you write, many are living in denial. And even if we got our act together, we are no longer the largest emitters, India and China are. I just don't see a way to survive this without everyone on Earth working toward a common goal.
"The story received immediate criticism from the climate change community along two fronts: the piece is too pessimistic; or it contains some factual errors." From a casual look at his Wikipedia page. Still, we all love a horror story, esp when delivered by a personable chancer. Although I think I believe him more when he wears glasses.
I never even considered the repercussions of a rise as small as 2 degrees. BUT its at a global level. More ice will melt, less water will freeze. Water will cover more land and there will be less land to live on and grow food on, etc.
Overpopulation has to be addressed to prevent pain and suffering . Every child born is a consumer that will need to be fed, housed , heated and cooled in a world that is overheating and polluted with carbon dioxide and plastic . Fresh water is also a major problem for the poor kids that are born .Birth control should be promoted worldwide .
The think tank says, 500.000.000 ppl world wide is what the earth can handle comfortably, that means 7 billion of us needs to leave as soon as possible! lol
The thorium nuclear reactors made me optimistic. But too many are still naive about nuclear. Also, it will be done under the same profit model umbrella. And thus resulting in slow implementation and too expensive for most countries. On top of that, fun fact. Here in Holland, climate change Skepticism is actually rising. Yes really, it's rising. So... It's not looking great. To say the least.
Common Sense, and simple observations say Warming is Real. And Common sense says we must move quickly to inititate major international programs to suck CO2 out of the air asap. But we must also initiate serious Communication Programs and Social Scientist type programs to substantially change our culture, if we wish to survive. Continuing hydrocarbon burning will not only smother humanity, but likely end all relevant supportive life on our home.
That's because we need a productive response like a global version of the USA's post-Pearl Harbor mobilization that made this the world's first super-industrial super-power in just 3 years.
yep great interview. And this is now almost 3 years old. And critically, the talk of cities in S E Asia becoming unliveable by 2050, nah, latest science is looking at 2030 it's moving that fast. The response time of the earth to the heating is unsurprisingly faster than thought. How many times have we heard that phrase, faster than anyone thought. In scientific circles many realised the speed of changed but were squashed by scientific reticence, political interference with the IPCC reports and all in servitude to the wealth and profit of corporations, and oligarchs around the planet from USA to Eu to India, China, wherever. And still GHG's are racing onward, co2 equivalent is at 508 ppm as of nov 2021. 450 ppm co2 is 2 deg C global avg rise in temp preindustrial. That's 7 deg C over land. I'll leave it there. Except to say. Time past to get out on the streets in mass numbers of people. non violence civil disobedience, if you want your kids and grand kids and life generally to continue after 2060 or thereabouts. up to you. get organised your governments won't save you. they're in hock to wealth
I truly do not understand why not a single word in this talk was about Nuclear Energy. When you look at the numbers, it is painfully obvious that it needs to be part of the conversation.
there's much in the book - of course nuclear has its own other kinds of concern - what to do with the waste and the danger of release from environment or war.
@@tiapessopowell5327 Yes, but the thing is. Batteries are also a problem, the waste isn't any better. Nuclear doesn't give any air pollution + it doesn't kill birds. None of the solutions are perfect. But it needs to be part of the conversation.
There's a thing called homeostasis. This planet we're riding is pretty good at it. This is how they do us every generation. Always inventing new partial truths to suppress us with. You concentrate on building yourself a nice big family and life and career and you won't be sorry
@@michaelg1569 , science its always full of disagreement. And it's amazing what some people will do when their wage and career and sense of identity and self and putting food in their children's mouths and getting sex from their partner depends on it. Gotta weigh it all in the balance
The frequent problem with crises and moving from crises to crises is the crises are not resolved but only mentioned. The nuclear nonproliferation treaty enforcement is missing and the backup generators for emergency use in nuclear power plants were never installed anywhere in the world 🌎.
Worry less and work more. We should be focusing on the maintenance of the long term solutions to our environmental industrial pollution that have been represented by Treaties instituted by scientists and ratified by Congress to address global warming and global infertility . The global atmosphere ionization and loss to halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon and nuclear technology is the primary cause of global warming climate change.
*Something optimistic:* Technology penetration is normally driven by people understanding and then acquiring devices, motivated by themselves. Climate technology penetration is driven by external motivation, it is limited by a bottleneck in production or deployment. You do not need to wait for users to notice, get interested and getting it. You can compel or even force everybody.
This fellow has come across what many of us call the "technocornocopian"-technology will solve all. These people are so misguided. No different than thinking some nebulous God will come to save us.
@A SH it's not a skeptic virtue to believe when the odds are 90% against you. You're promulgating Pascal's Wager. It's logically fallacious. Famous skeptics like Matt Dillahunty have great rebuttals to it.
Lots of work installing insulation in tropical areas, where all the work is presently put on the air conditioners, that have been thrown into some hot box to avoid the insulation cost. Thus increasing electricity.. Maybe we will live underground.
So, My feelings are if You really want to accomplish something to aid the planet for the future. Use your voice to convince the powers that be to shut down all functionally obsolete nuclear power plants. If you could manage even that, you will have made a giant contribution! What is written in stone is that further warming is baked in. Co2's effects are 10 years behind it's release.
We can travel by airlines with Edison generators and dynamos powered electric airlines. A high torque electric motor can be powered an unlimited range electric power without fuel using Edison generators and dynamos. We are still grossly misinformed about power generation and power use.
We are not alarmist. This is not unwarranted alarm. What is known to the public discussion is not sustained to gain the real right and long term changes we know have to be done. No halogenated vinyl no halogenated carbon no nuclear technology. These are absolute boundaries that have been known to scientists more than 50 years.
These absolute boundaries are represented by Treaties instituted by scientists to initiate survival and enlist the military and ratified by Congress and USSR and 180 countries. The chemical weapon manufacture treaty enforcement and obligations is aiming at elimination of halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon manufacturing use and disposal. The nuclear nonproliferation treaty enforcement and obligations is not allowing nuclear technology: we don't build develop or share nuclear technology. The biological weapons convention does not allow E coli plasmids inserts research. The people of the USA were so misinformed about power generation genetic engineering production and chemical weapons manufacturing pollution that none of the necessary restraint of deadly industrial pollution was imposed. We are stumbling in political Idiocracy. Conflict conflict conflict pay no attention to the heat and refrigeration stupidity.
I disagree that we need absolute zero emissions, life itself emits carbon so we cant get rid of it altogether. But we have to limit it, severly and itll take global cooperation and yes new technologies will be needed but cant the world heal, to some extent? And life on earth has become super successful and it's emissions altered the climate, its sorta like life never evolved to ever grow too successful- i hope we can figure it out
@@90klh Search for Global Dimming on Google. Reducing greenhouse gases would not avoid our extinction, in fact, it would even accelerate the process. It's a paradox. There's no way out.
At least he’s not denying CC. Don’t know why he keeps talking about the end of the century. If we get to 4C by end of century?? We’re history before 3C.
@@alstewart1186 > There will be exponentially accelerating frequency of increasingly severe disasters, incentivizing an all-out global response equivalent to responding to an alien invasion war
Last time I watched Guy McPherson was when he announced a few foot sea level rise by 2030. In time, the waters will rise, but will take quite a bit longer to actually see Florida drown.
No we are not sociopathic, we all know who is. It was not our hands that did this, who brought us to point. No, We the Real People, are not the sociopathic ones. When you have had time to adapt/digest this information, you seem to those new and very alarmed at this information, kind of detached. Military and police, now firemen, have to be somewhat detached to deal with these things for others.
@Kio Revana Many Americans are easily influenced by the appearance of the person who is bringing them any message on TV, that is why the POTUS has orange skin and a "hair surgeon" . So I beleive if Mr Wallace wants to bring his good message home he really should get some advice about his semi-monobrow. 'Jeez Vern, the world is really burnin ain't she'
California is the 'Land of the Tutti Fruities'. So im-PEACH-ing by im-PAIR (PEAR)-ing, or im-ORANGE-ing the 'Orange man' won't cut the mustard ! Consider that the War is already lost to 'Accelerated Global Warming' a la McPherson, who seems to be a very nice 'Guy' ! What I recommend is Plan B ...' It came from Outta ( Outer) Space' ... that is for the new 'Space Force', the first order of business should be creating a 'Terra Forming industry' , perpetuating self sufficient independent colonies, like we'd do for Mars or the Moon (though conditions would be more like Venus or Arakus (the desert planet) in the movie 'Dune' ! Just some ruminating (thinking aloud) on my part !
Hank Stalica The more people who raise there voice and shout the better. Those who have the ability and camera need to speak. All of us will see the end, cry for the children 👶.
From UK: The pestilence is not humanity or fossil fuels.... In my personal opinion it is Capitalism, or more specifically Neo-liberal Capitalism or simpler still cop-it-all-ism!
People will die of cold and hunger in Germany and Britain this winter because of catastrophic reliance of renewables and the destruction of the energy systems that brought wealth and prosperity to so many
Here we are in 2022 and the US Supreme Court, had to the US didn't it, decide that the EPA cannot write regulations that would restrict CO2 emissions. US emissions have continued to climb. So basically we are hosed.
Here are some other delusions. 2050 and 2100. These dates no longer apply as the IPCC reports do not take into account the exponential self reinforcing feedback loops. These are tipping points which have already been breached. The big issue is the rapid loss of human and other species habitat, which is already occurring and accelerating. This means a rapid loss of food, water, and shelter for humans. This will make the human race extinct within the next 5 years. Guy McPherson is now of the opinion that this will happen even sooner than 5 years. Once food become scarce, society falls apart, and extinction comes rapidly. It is too late but neither the IPCC or the politicians will admit that they failed the human race on such an epic scale. They obviously don't want panic. Once the Arctic ice is completely gone (forecast for 2023), it won't be long and we will all be gone...most from starvation.
Why are we not teaching a greater range of transport sports in K-12 education? Human movement is infrastructure that is completely over looked. The practice of transport sport awakes human consciousness. One thing is for certain, none of the field sports will ever help fix climate change.
Malibu, Calif as an example? That area should NOT be built on! It's topography is a disaster. It's also a tiny area! Build on hills which slope to the ocean. Who builds there? It is dominated by rich celebrities who squak endlessly about "global warming".
It depends. Substituting dairy milk for nut milks has a severe environmental impact. Imports of foods such as avocados are similarly bad (depending on where you live of course). The best thing from a diet perspective would be to cut down on meat (drastically in terms of beef) and to eat locally as much as possible.
When the military complex shutdowns down completely, I mean all their manufactures of death, and when all their useless war toys are parked away in a desert, then we can start thinking about changing our diesel cars, otherwise lets all die together singing kumbaya.
The primary effort should be Edison generators and dynamos to replace nuclear power and fossil fuels so that we can divert our limited resources to atmosphere support against halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon and nuclear technology.
At 44.00 that guy talking about us as though we are some kind of 'pestilence' has got it about right. It is extremely unlikely that the human race is going to solve this little problem - personally believe the sooner we become extinct the better. Just imagine it a world without factory farms/slaughterhouses/vivisection labs/whaling ships etc etc etc - just hope that the animals survive the coming cataclysm in order to finally enjoy a world without us.
There is nothing "good" about getting extinct. The planet itself is oblivious about what's going on on its surface. Nature doesn't give a shit about us. If we are to dumb to react to the catastrophe we are creating, then we are just another failed evolutionary experiment. I can't see what is good about us or our childrens children dying in a world that is much worse than ours? It's worse enough that we all have to die and our children will too. We don't have to make it worse for them.
@@pcuimac and 2 years later - that is why it is best if us humans go extinct - we are a nasty cruel species and I for one am sick sick sick sick sick sick sick to death of us.
2 years later.. we're finding out that worst-case scenario is happening. Our actual situation is significantly worse that what DW describes in his book, and MUCH worse than he presents it in this Google talk. Civilization is absolutely, positively doomed. We need to focus on preparing for hyper-local survival, as well as minimizing suffering as much as possible as civilization breaks down over the coming decades.
. I am trained as a philosopher not a biologist, or an ecologist or a naturalist. Consequently my view regarding climate change takes a broad overview rather than the view of the specialist. It appears to me that we (humanity) have perhaps ten more years of relatively stable societies in which to live. As the seasons disappear so does agriculture. It seems to me that human civilization is about to collapse. This is a Greek Tragedy. We all know the fates of the actors. We know the innocence of the guilty. The actors do not seem to know their end, while the audience freely watches their fate. Herein the end of the human race. This species with no predator, other than himself, now eats his seed corn as the famine approaches. The trees are dying. The birds are far fewer. The insects are disappearing. And we humans are not and perhaps can not do anything about it. In the story of the Titanic I am reminded of the capton stepping forward fulfilling his duty as the water came rushing in, the old couple who returned to their bed gently holding each other and the band, the band played on. May we play all these roles in our life. May we be found fulfilling our duties, sharing moments of love, and may we express the beauty of this amazing phenomenon: humanity. My heart is filled with sorrow and loss, and with acceptance and forgiveness. Somehow love appears. It is my continuing experience that a life filled with empathy, forgiveness, and acceptance makes for a day of joy. I speak here of acts not of beliefs. I prefer to go extinct loving than to go extinct filled with anger, hate, and greed. For indeed we are soon gone and forgotten. It does seem that all we do amounts to nothing. Good luck in all you do. Absurd? Yes, absurd! ...and the band played on...
This is the Guy McPherson, planetary hospice remedy. He probably is right, but if people think they can take action to avoid what seems to be our fate, they will at least make an attempt.
All you need is India & Pakistan heading into a fight over declining Himalayan water supply once glaciers have shrunk. Little religious riots to warm things up, and there you go, 2 junior nuclear armed neighbors having a fit !
@Jacob Zondag I guess I saw you in one of McPherson's videos. This decade will be a freaking hell, and I guess I'll have to follow your advise, staying with my family is the only thing that makes sense in this nightmare.
AOC said that the world will end in 9 years, so I have been spending down my bank account with worthless purchases. I am counting on AOC the Economics major to know everything about Climate Change because she says she knows everything
So what do you think would happen if the oil companies stopped producing oil and gas? I guess you would see this solving the problem since billions would die.
I have an idea, the developed countries that have used all the oil so far, will not be allowed to burn a single barrel of oil…only those countries whose turn is now, will be able to use oil. let see what happens.
"wrong perspective on science, which we can talk about, if you re interested"? That is a ploy to say he can make this argument, but does not need to. Anyone that says this should be selling used cars.
I just don't understand why some people, governors, and industries around the world don't see this issue as a serious threat. Climate change will affect everyone including the rich/wealthy and powerful. We all have to take serious and strong action now!!
Climate change will have basically zero appreciable effect on the upper classes of western society, beyond the broader political tumult that will effect the world
No, but it’s still useful. Splitting water into O2+H2 seams pretty straight forward, and it produces peak power during peak demand, making the power grid more resilient and efficient.
At the beginning when the author mentioned that fear motivated him, I thought of Bane saying: "Calm down doctor, now is not the time for fear. That comes later. " There's some truth there. Could go either way.
So you are a billionaire that wants to invent something that will save Earth? Do you have that skill set? Shut the fuck up and stop pretending to know things you don't know. This guy does the same. Maybe he will grow up soon and stop thinking that Marx was a good person.
@@iopohable, I almost asked you the same thing while handing you a bearskin and arrowhead, not a university chair in economics. Billionaires hoarding? Is that really how you see innovators like Bezos? Think again about insulting the inventors that have improved every aspect of your life. Gates made your life incalculably better, and all you can do is ask him to stop hoarding and give it all away. What an ungrateful ass you are...
@@Objectivityiskey yeah youre right people should starve so vezzos can take more steroids. After all he is such an inovator! He invented buying things online amirite
@@iopohable Sadly you missed the point of Bezos's innovation. People were already buying things online, Jeff made it possible to compete with brick and mortar stores at a similar price. I thought you would value reducing the number of cars on the road from people driving to buy stuff individually. Jeff made it useful to have one driver deliver all the goods in an area in a timely fashion while saving on gas, people's vehicle and road wear and tear, just to name a few benefits.
It is possible to face a great crisis without despair and with compassion. Every crisis is an opportunity to do something positive.
Personally, I do not believe any opportunities will happen unless Humanity confronts the Grieving of our Planet. Without arriving at the 5th stage of grief, there will be no acceptance of Reality; hence, when Climate Change becomes obvious, most people will be FREAKING OUT, unable to lend a helping hand. Most will be searching for medical or psychological assistance.
Approx 38,800 views in 2 years? Really? 54 viewers/day! People don't give a HOOT about Climate Change.
The result from the COP25 meeting is grim: co-operation between countries around the globe is far away. Emissions are still going up, and there is no sight of any action that emissions will be getting lower by the end of 2020. I fear we missed the goal of oppurtunity and are heading towards the inevitable.
In the words of Metallica- sad, but true
We've already spent enough money in the last three months in the USA alone to engineer our way out of a crisis. The highest estimates for sufficient carbon capture and sequestration are $5 trillion. It faces huge technological and engineering challenges, but it can be done.
@@squamish4244 The issue is that this crisis requires ALL countries to work together. Do you see USA and China working together, or Saudi Arabia and iran? Not only will they not work together, but their mind is set on economic recovery. They will not invest 5 trillion for carbon capture technology. They are currently waiting for the arctic ice to melt so they can divide the arctic region into trading routes. That is the mindset of our " leaders" .
But it doesn't. The USA or China could pay for this all by themselves with no international cooperation. Just as we've already done with Covid, as terrible as the response has been. Therefore, the goal may not be as far out of reach as we may think. And that a technological intervention IS within reach. If things get dire enough in about ten years, one rich country may decide to act unilaterally.
It's either this or some billionaire deciding to spray the air with sulfur - which will be tried in an emergency, make no mistake - so we might as well advocate for the safer route.
I'm a pragmatist about these things - if pragmatism is anti-human suffering by whatever means necessary. International cooperation will certainly be required to transition to a carbon-neutral economy, but until such time, we will need technological solutions to buy us that time.
@@squamish4244 I understand your position, but I am more pessimistic when it comes to human nature. We could have easily solved the hunger problem, but did we? No. We could have ended slavery worldwide. Did we? No. As of today slaves are sold on the open market in Libya. We could do many great things, but in the end one country or one billionaire will not be able (or be willing) to solve this global issue. And if things get dire? Things ARE dire right now. Not in ten years. Right now the permafrost is melting, making things sink and collapse (see Norilsk last week). We need to act right now, and we don' t. In ten years we are way too late.
Our greatest folly since the Industrial Revolution was underestimating the impact of advertising on social norms.
The capitalism is formed by billions of people, which can only see a threatening situation when it comes close to them. It's just now that some of us are realizing that we're all gonna die and that we've been warned. Something that was going to happen since we began to live in an industrial civilization, around 1750.
But it gives us a space to reflect. Do all the intelligent forms of life in the universe reach this point where we are, when they annihilate themselves and the life on the planet simply because they cannot understand nature enough?
@@ramondias3037 > Bro, our race against time ain't over till it's over. Yes, humanity will eventually go extinct, 1 way or another. So, the key issue is quantity vs. quality of life. So, choose a great death & a best-case ecotopian future ASAP or more dystopian oblivion & horrific mass-extinction by default.
David is an optimist. He believes that population will increase by 2100. That 4 degrees increase indicates how much power we have to control global warming. He believes food production will decrease 50% by 2100.
He doesn't want people to become paralyzed with fear, just afraid enough to act.
I like blunt honesty of this guy.
David Wallace Wells is articulated and on point, he needs all the exposure that is possible with his simple and honest perspective - a beautiful man.
I read the introduction 'Cascades' in his book. I cried as I read it: it is much much worse than I knew. I found even that section alone a shock. This is truly terrifying!...Everybody should read it - all heads of state, heads of corporations and the public... It should be turned into a no holds barred documentary movie illustrating what the world he describes at different temperatures will look like including what is happening today. It should pull no punches. James Lovelock, the scientist who wrote about the earth as being an organism, in an interview published in New Scientist a few years back, said in so many words that it was all too late - the theme being, to quote the words of the song, "enjoy yourself, it's later than you think." Governments have been toying with or "dabbling" in addressing global warming as if it was an unimportant afterthought to score political points. The political will just isn't there: too busy are they in amassing private and personal wealth and depriving the vast poor whilst ignoring what is happening to the environment right under our very noses - some even vilifying the Greta Thunbergs of this world! I weep for the massive decline of bird song - and that's just the tip of the iceberg (no pun intended). I cannot believe this is happening in my lifetime. We have to start believing it: it really is undeniably here. 😢
Ever heard of solar cycles and food chain cycles? Global warming is a scam! Dan Pena ruclips.net/video/QHxauhxtYtk/видео.html
you're an i d i ot
all the co2 has been in the athmosphere in the past an nothing bad happened
Why aren't there more headlines on climate change? Why isn't this a daily topic of conversation for everyone? Why aren't climate and sustainability courses mandatory in schools?
How does this only have 3.835 views (22-OKT-19) when David Wallace is well known by now, and the channel has 1,06 mln subs? It is such a dramatically low number it almost feels as if Google is censoring itself on this?
I agree -- we need to start yelling louder - ALL of us. It's not Google.
Because the majority of people don't want to know that they're life will be drastically reduced due to abrupt climate change.
As Carl Sagan realized, too many of us are too easily bamboozled, and human foibles make it most likely that the longer & worse we're bamboozled, the less we want to know about it. In other words, the all too common defect of vanity + conceit + corruption + stupidity + neurotic denial.
Climate change is still a JOKE among the Elite
The latest climate models revealed at COP25 are showing a worst-case scenario of about 8C by 2100, so that is twice what he said we were heading toward. Basically, it just gets worse each year. The more computing power they throw at the models, the worse the results seem to get.
domitron we are in big trouble. My advice to you is enjoy the ride out. Humanity will collapse soon.
Rite! We need mass-collaboration now to avoid a worst-case scenario by 2030 to 2040. Yes, it requires all-out global commitment to an ecotopian alternative (to dystopian horror-show) beyond imagining ASAP.
Nestled in the Mecca of technohopium.
Humans have always been nestled in the Mecca of Technohopium. What do you think fire is?
We've already spent enough money in the last three months in the USA alone to engineer our way out of a crisis. The highest estimates for sufficient carbon capture and sequestration are $5 trillion. It faces huge technological and engineering challenges, but it can be done.
Agrivoltaics help protect plants from extreme heat & sunlight some. Also maybe helpful against fires since they keep ground more moist too.
Throughly enjoyed this in depth account of the future - brilliant mind .
So refreshing to listen to a totally honest account of just how scary our future really is .
I was delusional before listening this - twice .
He is right on the money .
Anyone criticizing David has either not read the book or is so complacent denial is their comfort zone .
The severity of the consequences of another +1degree will be catastrophic .
2030 looks challenging guys ..........
EVERY BODY MAKE NOISE!! Spread the word and VOTE properly... our government needs to be on the same page.
It's March 22, 2020. It's not quite so hard anymore to imagine reducing air travel, eliminating the cruise industry, or slowing and redirecting our economy. to grow in a different more sustainable direction.
What makes him think there will be seaweed to feed to cows? The oceans are dying.
@989Bigboss > Maybe we'll get lucky & the shock & heat waves of a supernova in our stellar neighborhood will blow away the air vaporze all the water & turn Earth into a cinder ball, very quickly. The last we'll know about it is a sudden sensation of increasing brightness. Or, less luckily, maybe some rogue generals will get so pissed off they launch H-bomb satellites that do mega-EMPs over all continents (except Antarctica), melting the power-grids & killing billions who depend on electricity, refrigeration, pumps for oil, gas, water, etc., hospitals, grocery stores, liquor stores, computer games, cellphones & the Internet. That would be less miserable than the much slower version as sea-level floods coastal areas, roads, cities, towns, refineries, chem plants and nuke-power plants. On the other hand, as Dave mentioned, there are many unforeseeable options for mass-response equivalent to the productive development accomplished in 3 years, from December 1941 to mid-1944, but times 10x or more.
Doing nothing will make slow death Way mo horrific than doing our best to minimize the damage & suffering. We have only 2 main choices: Do we want the best possible ecotopian future or horrific dystopian oblivion?
Tell people the hard truth don't shelter them.
Fear= Control
High temperature (molten salt) nuclear reactors can be used to combine carbon (taken from the air) and hydrogen (from water) to form liquid fuels for transport, including for air travel.
No long-term buildup of carbon in the atmosphere using this technology. Some fraction of the total production of fuel could be buried (if we don't frack all rock strata) as a very stable form of carbon sequestration.
The most efficient and fair way to cause the economy to transition to a sustainable path would be to make prices honest by charging fees to industries that put pollution or deplete resources or destroy wildlife habitat, then share fee proceeds to all people.
Sadly, reporters do not mention systemic solutions when they report systemic problems. And they report only the *symptoms* of the systemic problems. 'Make prices honest' is a plain-language way of saying "account for externalities". When we account for externalities, we will align profit motive with societal and environmental health. When we do this in a fair way, we will end poverty throughout the world.
Equal sharing of natural wealth promotes justice and sustainability:
gaiabrain.blogspot.com/2018/06/equal-sharing-of-natural-wealth.html
John Champagne First, MSR are a long way from commercial viability, and we may all be gone before we get there. Second, it takes years to build reactors, and between Chernobyl and Fukushima, it’s not going to happen.
@@mitchellsmith4601 Molten salt reactors operate at close to normal atmospheric pressure. No need for an expensive pressure vessel and containment building. They can be built in factories at a rate of about 1GW of new generating capacity per day.
Factory production makes it possible to benefit from economies of scale. It also means increased ability to attain high quality control standards.
Molten salt reactors do not require triple backup generators and pumps. In the event of a problem, fuel can be drained from the reactor under the influence of gravity. No need to rely on equipment being maintained or operators doing specific tasks. Safety is assured not by engineered systems but by the fact that liquids flow downhill.
How rapidly we develop MSRs depends on how rapidly we change the regulatory environment (so, for example, a drain plug can be accepted in place of diesel generators and cooling pumps), and how high we make the carbon extraction fee..
The willingness of banks to lend money for new power plants depends in part on how many years it will take to recoup the money. If we know now how to make molten salt reactors that would last for seven years, then banks will finance those projects if the carbon extraction fee is high enough that a power plant can pay off investors in seven years. If there is little or no fee charged proportional to how much carbon is extracted, then the economic prospects for a new nuclear plant would suggest a 20- or 30-year time frame to recoup the investment. The test of various alloys in the presence of various fission products hasn't gotten to the point that we are confident that they would last 30 years. Making prices honest (by charging fees proportional to pollution or extraction) would promote faster development of sustainable options. Honest prices would mean a huge improvement in the economic appeal of molten salt reactors that can make jet fuel and other fuels for transport.
The development time for molten salt reactors will depend on many factors. We can make the transition happen faster if we make prices show environmental impact costs, by charging pollution and extraction fees. Sharing fee proceeds will ensure that the policy benefits, rather than harms, those who are least well-off.
A change in the system that causes prices to honestly represent costs will encourage action on all of the millions of little things that would help move us in the right direction.
LFTR in Five Minutes:
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@@JohnChampagne I appreciate your explanation, but I already know all this. There's no doubt that MSRs are safer than PWRs: MSRs will automatically shut down when power is cut off. That's great. But nobody has one working at scale yet. The Chinese have been working on this problem for years, and so far, there isn't a commercial scale solution. But it's too late, nuclear had its chance, and the people of this world are terrified of Fukushima and Chernobyl, so that's it for nuclear power. The stigma attached to nuclear can't be undone, and it shouldn't be: years later, we still haven't contained Fukushima, and we may never be able to contain it. You can talk yourself blue in the face educating the public on the relative safety of MSRs, but nobody is going to listen so long as Fukushima is spreading radiation.
I wish I could think we can pull this off and turn the world around but I don’t see it happening...
knowing how humans are forgetful and short-sighted (like the NIMBYism in renewable energy opposition) this is the most realistic analysis of how humans and society responds to climate change.
Most people believe that "worst case scenario" means "unlikely", then dismiss it.
I'm back after 2 years and have read David's book twice. Truly do believe that there is going to be a massive die off in the next couple of years (myself included - not that I care) but I think it is a tragedy for the animal kingdom.
it's a tragedy that people like you exist
Cover crops (which farmers used to use) could drastically increased carbon recapture. Also farming with the terrain to avoid runoff. Fertilizing with animal manure as nature intended. When we abandoned age old soil management techniques, and became dependent on commercialized techniques - our food system and our public health deteriorated fast. Wake up People!!!
43:13 "I don't think of the pestilence as humans, I think of the pestilence as fossil fuels". Great come back!
Young activists have moved to call my generation
(circa boomer ;)
"The Fossil Generation"
To what do I owe this honor, David Wallace?
I think if, I think if, I think if.
If we, if we, if we.
I think if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass every time it hopped, or one may have a good case study for the evolutionist.
You know that you don't put a waste disposal inside of the fish aquarium. (You must clean the filters, or change them, removing the waste from that ecosystem)
There's a hell of a lot more going on here than climate change alone and it's a burden to know what to expect. I'll be praying for all of us.
AIRBORNE
The human race has survived on "If wes" and "I thinks" for all of our history.
Great interview, really, but some things I have an issue with.
Firstly, what about global dimming? If we cut our emissions we increase temperature through loss of global dimming. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. This seems to be simply ignored despite it being well known and researched by leading scientists.
Secondly, talking about additional warming by the end of this century, without being honest about the impacts of those temperatures, is unhelpful and creates an impression that humans can continue to live in +4C, +5C etc. We cant. +2C is catastrophic, +3C sees many, many millions of people dead. Billions of people are dead at warming above that. Really, forget any possibility of significant numbers of humans surviving past +4C.
Thirdly, alarmism is about taking the very worst possible case scenario, and then hamming it up some just to ram the point home. There is no need for alarmism about climate and biodiversity loss.. what we need is truth. The truth is hideous, the most frightening thing any of us can ever imagine. Its not alarmist, its truth.
Think about this.. +4C by the end of this century (the current trajectory) means 3 more degrees of warming in the next 80 years, 1.5 more degrees of warming in the next 40 years (temps will then be at +2.6C), 0.75 more degrees of warming in the next 20 years (temps will then be at +1.85C.) These figures dont take into account the impacts of various tipping points which might occur, like mass methane release. We really could be completely f*ucked within months.. or it could take a little longer.
IckyTzatziki We reached 1.72C above the 1750 baseline in 2018, so it seems likely we will reach +1.85C much sooner than 2039.
@@mitchellsmith4601 I'm using the figures from the IPCC.. I am aware that some figures now start later than pre-industrial, which of course makes the increase look smaller. In terms of explaining it to people I think its difficult to get into that, it can be confusing to understand the politics and impact of academic rigour in addition to the science, especially as the international bodies are using different data to that which you've quoted. Personally I think the IPCC data is way too conservative (it doesn't use current data until it has been universally accepted, which takes some time) and that seems to be borne out by scientists constantly producing data which says things are happening faster and to a more severe extent than had previously be thought. For example the IPCC has an ice free arctic in something like 2075 but all the currently observable data tells us it is imminent now. So I agree we will reach degrees of warming before the dates the IPCC uses. But frankly, the IPCC data is scary enough, and I am reaching the conclusion that the scariness of the data doesn't make people react.. they cant think into the future when they look out the window and see the green and pleasant land they live in right now. And they dont want to change, they like their life the way it is. This affects people across the board the same way, doesn't matter if they're educated or not. They just block the issue out because its far too challenging for them to process let alone act on.. even if they're the prime minister.
@@IckyTzatziki It's definitely scary enough, but by the time enough people are terrified, it will be too late to do anything about it. How many people are willing to raise taxes so we can figure out new carbon sequestration or capture technologies? We could be planting trees anywhere they'll grow, but we aren't. I think there are more ignorant people than informed people, and as you write, many are living in denial. And even if we got our act together, we are no longer the largest emitters, India and China are. I just don't see a way to survive this without everyone on Earth working toward a common goal.
@A SH we are out of time to depopulate.. and nature will now do it for us
The end of the Century? This guy needs to dig deeper. I consider him a poser. Aurhentic people don't irritate me.
"The story received immediate criticism from the climate change community along two fronts: the piece is too pessimistic; or it contains some factual errors." From a casual look at his Wikipedia page. Still, we all love a horror story, esp when delivered by a personable chancer. Although I think I believe him more when he wears glasses.
I never even considered the repercussions of a rise as small as 2 degrees. BUT its at a global level. More ice will melt, less water will freeze. Water will cover more land and there will be less land to live on and grow food on, etc.
Seemed to have been portrayed pretty well in "Interstellar"
Overpopulation has to be addressed to prevent pain and suffering . Every child born is a consumer that will need to be fed, housed , heated and cooled in a world that is overheating and polluted with carbon dioxide and plastic . Fresh water is also a major problem for the poor kids that are born .Birth control should be promoted worldwide .
J. Milton Jeffreys .. how many people on this planet can we have until we become overpopulated?
The think tank says, 500.000.000 ppl world wide is what the earth can handle comfortably, that means 7 billion of us needs to leave as soon as possible! lol
The thorium nuclear reactors made me optimistic. But too many are still naive about nuclear. Also, it will be done under the same profit model umbrella. And thus resulting in slow implementation and too expensive for most countries. On top of that, fun fact. Here in Holland, climate change Skepticism is actually rising. Yes really, it's rising.
So... It's not looking great. To say the least.
Common Sense, and simple observations say Warming is Real. And Common sense says we must move quickly to inititate major international programs to suck CO2 out of the air asap. But we must also initiate serious Communication Programs and Social Scientist type programs to substantially change our culture, if we wish to survive. Continuing hydrocarbon burning will not only smother humanity, but likely end all relevant supportive life on our home.
many days of protest have not yet led to any change in policy. reporting from the future
That's because we need a productive response like a global version of the USA's post-Pearl Harbor mobilization that made this the world's first super-industrial super-power in just 3 years.
Personally, I don't care much for what happens to us. I'm more worried about animals and the ecosystem. They're the innocent ones.
yep great interview. And this is now almost 3 years old. And critically, the talk of cities in S E Asia becoming unliveable by 2050, nah, latest science is looking at 2030 it's moving that fast. The response time of the earth to the heating is unsurprisingly faster than thought. How many times have we heard that phrase, faster than anyone thought. In scientific circles many realised the speed of changed but were squashed by scientific reticence, political interference with the IPCC reports and all in servitude to the wealth and profit of corporations, and oligarchs around the planet from USA to Eu to India, China, wherever. And still GHG's are racing onward, co2 equivalent is at 508 ppm as of nov 2021. 450 ppm co2 is 2 deg C global avg rise in temp preindustrial. That's 7 deg C over land. I'll leave it there. Except to say. Time past to get out on the streets in mass numbers of people. non violence civil disobedience, if you want your kids and grand kids and life generally to continue after 2060 or thereabouts. up to you. get organised your governments won't save you. they're in hock to wealth
I truly do not understand why not a single word in this talk was about Nuclear Energy. When you look at the numbers, it is painfully obvious that it needs to be part of the conversation.
there's much in the book - of course nuclear has its own other kinds of concern - what to do with the waste and the danger of release from environment or war.
@@tiapessopowell5327 Yes, but the thing is. Batteries are also a problem, the waste isn't any better. Nuclear doesn't give any air pollution + it doesn't kill birds. None of the solutions are perfect. But it needs to be part of the conversation.
@@Milanvaneijk true
David ignores tipping points. We could reach a point where runaway hothouse earth means that it will be beyond our ability to control the destruction.
There's a thing called homeostasis. This planet we're riding is pretty good at it. This is how they do us every generation. Always inventing new partial truths to suppress us with. You concentrate on building yourself a nice big family and life and career and you won't be sorry
36:10 Wallace: "The California wildfires last year were the worst in history."
Outright untruth.
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Some scientists believe there's a significant possibility that we have already reached that point.
@@michaelg1569 , science its always full of disagreement. And it's amazing what some people will do when their wage and career and sense of identity and self and putting food in their children's mouths and getting sex from their partner depends on it. Gotta weigh it all in the balance
@@stupidtreehugger I think you're saying self interest trumps (no pun intended) global interest.
I have literally had to re borrow it again and again to get through it.
Great book...just finished....and scary....we need to act quickly...
What a Brillant mind this guy has!!!
I have been trying to read the book. It has been too depressing.
The truth always is and things are far worse than he is suggesting by virtue of the fact that there is no solution.
Read my comment above, it's a work of fiction mate. x
The frequent problem with crises and moving from crises to crises is the crises are not resolved but only mentioned. The nuclear nonproliferation treaty enforcement is missing and the backup generators for emergency use in nuclear power plants were never installed anywhere in the world 🌎.
Worry less and work more. We should be focusing on the maintenance of the long term solutions to our environmental industrial pollution that have been represented by Treaties instituted by scientists and ratified by Congress to address global warming and global infertility . The global atmosphere ionization and loss to halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon and nuclear technology is the primary cause of global warming climate change.
*Something optimistic:*
Technology penetration is normally driven by people understanding and then acquiring devices, motivated by themselves.
Climate technology penetration is driven by external motivation, it is limited by a bottleneck in production or deployment.
You do not need to wait for users to notice, get interested and getting it. You can compel or even force everybody.
The Canadian Arctic is warming up four times faster than the rest of the world.
Says who ?
This fellow has come across what many of us call the "technocornocopian"-technology will solve all.
These people are so misguided. No different than thinking some nebulous God will come to save us.
@A SH so you are a middle road person; in other words, a Fence Sitter. Be stronger.
@A SH it's not a skeptic virtue to believe when the odds are 90% against you. You're promulgating Pascal's Wager. It's logically fallacious. Famous skeptics like Matt Dillahunty have great rebuttals to it.
Is that a cosmic rule? No. Therefore, perhaps technocornocopianism can work.
Technohopium
Gambling the future on non-existent inventions
Lots of work installing insulation in tropical areas, where all the work is presently put on the air conditioners, that have been thrown into some hot box to avoid the insulation cost. Thus increasing electricity.. Maybe we will live underground.
It's to late the cake is BAKED.
Well this is pretty late but I just bought the 📗 book. You and recently Mr Zeihan. Authors take note, YT is a marketing tool that keeps on giving! 😸
This ought to be titled "The worst case scenario laid out by an alarmist climatologist" then perhaps it would not have received the 39k views it has.
So, My feelings are if You really want to accomplish something to aid the planet for the future. Use your voice to convince the powers that be to shut down all functionally obsolete nuclear power plants. If you could manage even that, you will have made a giant contribution! What is written in stone is that further warming is baked in. Co2's effects are 10 years behind it's release.
We can travel by airlines with Edison generators and dynamos powered electric airlines. A high torque electric motor can be powered an unlimited range electric power without fuel using Edison generators and dynamos. We are still grossly misinformed about power generation and power use.
We are not alarmist. This is not unwarranted alarm. What is known to the public discussion is not sustained to gain the real right and long term changes we know have to be done. No halogenated vinyl no halogenated carbon no nuclear technology. These are absolute boundaries that have been known to scientists more than 50 years.
These absolute boundaries are represented by Treaties instituted by scientists to initiate survival and enlist the military and ratified by Congress and USSR and 180 countries. The chemical weapon manufacture treaty enforcement and obligations is aiming at elimination of halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon manufacturing use and disposal. The nuclear nonproliferation treaty enforcement and obligations is not allowing nuclear technology: we don't build develop or share nuclear technology. The biological weapons convention does not allow E coli plasmids inserts research. The people of the USA were so misinformed about power generation genetic engineering production and chemical weapons manufacturing pollution that none of the necessary restraint of deadly industrial pollution was imposed. We are stumbling in political Idiocracy. Conflict conflict conflict pay no attention to the heat and refrigeration stupidity.
So...woo stories. Not facts.
I disagree that we need absolute zero emissions, life itself emits carbon so we cant get rid of it altogether. But we have to limit it, severly and itll take global cooperation and yes new technologies will be needed but cant the world heal, to some extent?
And life on earth has become super successful and it's emissions altered the climate, its sorta like life never evolved to ever grow too successful- i hope we can figure it out
K H. Sorry, the answer is no.
@@kirstinstrand6292 no in regards to what? That the world can heal? Cuz earth itself is gonna be fine no matter what.
@@90klh Search for Global Dimming on Google. Reducing greenhouse gases would not avoid our extinction, in fact, it would even accelerate the process. It's a paradox. There's no way out.
Why do you think we can't get rid of surplus/superfluous life ? ;)
I don't see them starting anytime soon!
It's 2022 and governments are still fuckin around on policy. We're fucked. Our decendants are fucked. God help us.
the arctic ice measured by volume is nearly gone....
@J. Milton Jeffreys It will, you dope.
we arent in control of the environment. We won't make it past 2 deg. With everything that will occur on the planet.
Mr hope here stealing Guy's work.
At least he’s not denying CC. Don’t know why he keeps talking about the end of the century. If we get to 4C by end of century?? We’re history before 3C.
True, at least he's raising the issue !
@@wadeinn463 > Actually, maybe not. I envision & recommend discussion several possible ecotopian alternatives.
@@alstewart1186 > There will be exponentially accelerating frequency of increasingly severe disasters, incentivizing an all-out global response equivalent to responding to an alien invasion war
Last time I watched Guy McPherson was when he announced a few foot sea level rise by 2030.
In time, the waters will rise, but will take quite a bit longer to actually see Florida drown.
No we are not sociopathic, we all know who is. It was not our hands that did this, who brought us to point. No, We the Real People, are not the sociopathic ones. When you have had time to adapt/digest this information, you seem to those new and very alarmed at this information, kind of detached. Military and police, now firemen, have to be somewhat detached to deal with these things for others.
Plagiarizes Guy McPherson.
Nah, he's just been "inspired" by Guy. And, sure it's for the best that as many people as possible propagate the truth about the climate crash?
@Kio Revana Many Americans are easily influenced by the appearance of the person who is bringing them any message on TV, that is why the POTUS has orange skin and a "hair surgeon" . So I beleive if Mr Wallace wants to bring his good message home he really should get some advice about his semi-monobrow. 'Jeez Vern, the world is really burnin ain't she'
California is the 'Land of the Tutti Fruities'. So im-PEACH-ing by im-PAIR (PEAR)-ing, or im-ORANGE-ing the 'Orange man' won't cut the mustard ! Consider that the War is already lost to 'Accelerated Global Warming' a la McPherson, who seems to be a very nice 'Guy' ! What I recommend is Plan B ...' It came from Outta ( Outer) Space' ... that is for the new 'Space Force', the first order of business should be creating a 'Terra Forming industry' , perpetuating self sufficient independent colonies, like we'd do for Mars or the Moon (though conditions would be more like Venus or Arakus (the desert planet) in the movie 'Dune' ! Just some ruminating (thinking aloud) on my part !
Hank Stalica The more people who raise there voice and shout the better. Those who have the ability and camera need to speak. All of us will see the end, cry for the children 👶.
From UK: The pestilence is not humanity or fossil fuels.... In my personal opinion it is Capitalism, or more specifically Neo-liberal Capitalism or simpler still cop-it-all-ism!
People will die of cold and hunger in Germany and Britain this winter because of catastrophic reliance of renewables and the destruction of the energy systems that brought wealth and prosperity to so many
No, it's 1.89C over baseline of 1750. Too late, kids.
Lower sea level, make too much ice risky. Big gravity engine danger!
Zero carbon is a pipe dream. No avoiding 2 doublings from pre-industrial, just a matter of when
Here we are in 2022 and the US Supreme Court, had to the US didn't it, decide that the EPA cannot write regulations that would restrict CO2 emissions. US emissions have continued to climb. So basically we are hosed.
Here are some other delusions. 2050 and 2100. These dates no longer apply as the IPCC reports do not take into account the exponential self reinforcing feedback loops. These are tipping points which have already been breached. The big issue is the rapid loss of human and other species habitat, which is already occurring and accelerating. This means a rapid loss of food, water, and shelter for humans. This will make the human race extinct within the next 5 years. Guy McPherson is now of the opinion that this will happen even sooner than 5 years. Once food become scarce, society falls apart, and extinction comes rapidly. It is too late but neither the IPCC or the politicians will admit that they failed the human race on such an epic scale. They obviously don't want panic. Once the Arctic ice is completely gone (forecast for 2023), it won't be long and we will all be gone...most from starvation.
really talented talker
Why are we not teaching a greater range of transport sports in K-12 education? Human movement is infrastructure that is completely over looked. The practice of transport sport awakes human consciousness. One thing is for certain, none of the field sports will ever help fix climate change.
Malibu, Calif as an example? That area should NOT be built on! It's topography is a disaster. It's also a tiny area! Build on hills which slope to the ocean. Who builds there? It is dominated by rich celebrities who squak endlessly about "global warming".
The #1 most helpful thing you can, more than activism, more than talking about this, is to adopt a vegan diet.
@@ph1748 good job friend :)
It depends. Substituting dairy milk for nut milks has a severe environmental impact. Imports of foods such as avocados are similarly bad (depending on where you live of course). The best thing from a diet perspective would be to cut down on meat (drastically in terms of beef) and to eat locally as much as possible.
When the military complex shutdowns down completely, I mean all their manufactures of death, and when all their useless war toys are parked away in a desert, then we can start thinking about changing our diesel cars, otherwise lets all die together singing kumbaya.
So easy to fix. I have a hydrogen making machine that only needs sunlight, water and off the shelf parts
To mend the dam, somebody has to point out the crack.
It is not the crack that breaks the dam, it is the internal erosion behind the crack that causes the dam to fail.
The primary effort should be Edison generators and dynamos to replace nuclear power and fossil fuels so that we can divert our limited resources to atmosphere support against halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon and nuclear technology.
The increase in soot and smoke is becoming an absolute boundary to be tolerated by everyone.
At 44.00 that guy talking about us as though we are some kind of 'pestilence' has got it about right. It is extremely unlikely that the human race is going to solve this little problem - personally believe the sooner we become extinct the better. Just imagine it a world without factory farms/slaughterhouses/vivisection labs/whaling ships etc etc etc - just hope that the animals survive the coming cataclysm in order to finally enjoy a world without us.
There is nothing "good" about getting extinct. The planet itself is oblivious about what's going on on its surface. Nature doesn't give a shit about us. If we are to dumb to react to the catastrophe we are creating, then we are just another failed evolutionary experiment. I can't see what is good about us or our childrens children dying in a world that is much worse than ours? It's worse enough that we all have to die and our children will too. We don't have to make it worse for them.
@@pcuimac Well said, Pneumatic !
@@pcuimac and 2 years later - that is why it is best if us humans go extinct - we are a nasty cruel species and I for one am sick sick sick sick sick sick sick to death of us.
You have no idea how high Michael Scott can fly, David.
2 years later.. we're finding out that worst-case scenario is happening. Our actual situation is significantly worse that what DW describes in his book, and MUCH worse than he presents it in this Google talk. Civilization is absolutely, positively doomed. We need to focus on preparing for hyper-local survival, as well as minimizing suffering as much as possible as civilization breaks down over the coming decades.
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I am trained as a philosopher not a biologist, or an ecologist or a naturalist. Consequently my view regarding climate change takes a broad overview rather than the view of the specialist. It appears to me that we (humanity) have perhaps ten more years of relatively stable societies in which to live. As the seasons disappear so does agriculture. It seems to me that human civilization is about to collapse.
This is a Greek Tragedy. We all know the fates of the actors. We know the innocence of the guilty. The actors do not seem to know their end, while the audience freely watches their fate. Herein the end of the human race. This species with no predator, other than himself, now eats his seed corn as the famine approaches. The trees are dying. The birds are far fewer. The insects are disappearing. And we humans are not and perhaps can not do anything about it.
In the story of the Titanic I am reminded of the capton stepping forward fulfilling his duty as the water came rushing in, the old couple who returned to their bed gently holding each other and the band, the band played on. May we play all these roles in our life. May we be found fulfilling our duties, sharing moments of love, and may we express the beauty of this amazing phenomenon: humanity.
My heart is filled with sorrow and loss, and with acceptance and forgiveness. Somehow love appears. It is my continuing experience that a life filled with empathy, forgiveness, and acceptance makes for a day of joy. I speak here of acts not of beliefs. I prefer to go extinct loving than to go extinct filled with anger, hate, and greed. For indeed we are soon gone and forgotten. It does seem that all we do amounts to nothing. Good luck in all you do. Absurd? Yes, absurd!
...and the band played on...
Absolutely brilliant!
This is the Guy McPherson, planetary hospice remedy. He probably is right, but if people think they can take action to avoid what seems to be our fate, they will at least make an attempt.
400 odd nuclear power stations will make sure there is no survivors !
All you need is India & Pakistan heading into a fight over declining Himalayan water supply once glaciers have shrunk. Little religious riots to warm things up, and there you go, 2 junior nuclear armed neighbors having a fit !
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25:00 and its the cellphone that contributed massively to the climateproblem were in now
it’s 2020. maybe we can get the emissions down by having ww3, because the pandemic didn’t work
it's the end of the world.. live every day like it's your last and create eternal memories.. it's far to late to change anything
@Jacob Zondag I guess I saw you in one of McPherson's videos. This decade will be a freaking hell, and I guess I'll have to follow your advise, staying with my family is the only thing that makes sense in this nightmare.
AOC said that the world will end in 9 years, so I have been spending down my bank account with worthless purchases. I am counting on AOC the Economics major to know everything about Climate Change because she says she knows everything
My suggestion is that we need to Tax The Oil Companies so much they have to stop producing
So what do you think would happen if the oil companies stopped producing oil and gas? I guess you would see this solving the problem since billions would die.
UN and WWII? What exactly did the UN do in WWII??? The cold war was over human rights???
The UN did NOT exist in WW2 for a start. So this clown believes there never was a Garden of Eden on earth. He is a full blown idiot.
Yeah it’s ok
I have an idea, the developed countries that have used all the oil so far, will not be allowed to burn a single barrel of oil…only those countries whose turn is now, will be able to use oil. let see what happens.
"wrong perspective on science, which we can talk about, if you re interested"? That is a ploy to say he can make this argument, but does not need to. Anyone that says this should be selling used cars.
I just don't understand why some people, governors, and industries around the world don't see this issue as a serious threat. Climate change will affect everyone including the rich/wealthy and powerful. We all have to take serious and strong action now!!
Climate change will have basically zero appreciable effect on the upper classes of western society, beyond the broader political tumult that will effect the world
Did you hear that Kobe died
Typical for alarmism. Heavy on the panic, almost zero data/facts.
...as usual.
Next few decade try 2030
He kept the IPCC report as his framework. So he kept 2100 as his horizon. Consider also that he has a young child.
24 minutes... No we cannot replace our current power with solar. We cannot store the power before you even start discussing the other issues.
No, but it’s still useful. Splitting water into O2+H2 seams pretty straight forward, and it produces peak power during peak demand, making the power grid more resilient and efficient.
At the beginning when the author mentioned that fear motivated him, I thought of Bane saying: "Calm down doctor, now is not the time for fear. That comes later.
" There's some truth there. Could go either way.
Millions died a 100 years ago due to weather conditions. Last year it was 20,000. In 1,900 world pop was about 2B. Today it is 7B.
alternatively, we can get billionaires to not kill the planet by stop hoarding. but that wouldn't be on google talks
So you are a billionaire that wants to invent something that will save Earth? Do you have that skill set? Shut the fuck up and stop pretending to know things you don't know. This guy does the same. Maybe he will grow up soon and stop thinking that Marx was a good person.
@@Objectivityiskey are you ok mate? Crack isnt good for you.
@@iopohable, I almost asked you the same thing while handing you a bearskin and arrowhead, not a university chair in economics. Billionaires hoarding? Is that really how you see innovators like Bezos? Think again about insulting the inventors that have improved every aspect of your life. Gates made your life incalculably better, and all you can do is ask him to stop hoarding and give it all away. What an ungrateful ass you are...
@@Objectivityiskey yeah youre right people should starve so vezzos can take more steroids. After all he is such an inovator! He invented buying things online amirite
@@iopohable Sadly you missed the point of Bezos's innovation. People were already buying things online, Jeff made it possible to compete with brick and mortar stores at a similar price. I thought you would value reducing the number of cars on the road from people driving to buy stuff individually. Jeff made it useful to have one driver deliver all the goods in an area in a timely fashion while saving on gas, people's vehicle and road wear and tear, just to name a few benefits.
I do not deny climate change but I do deny climate crisis which is not true. Listen to Patrick Moore or John Robson for sensible facts.
I doubt we get to 2100
From what I know, unless aliens or Jesus, or alien Jesus decides to help us, we are well fucked and will be lucky to make it to 2035.
@Jacob Zondag Ah.. come on Jacob, an alien Jesus would be good.
Ha, ha. 4°C and we are all toast.