i really get why most people say "no lame characters only lame players" but i think the next level take is that all characters are inherently lame and its up to the player to decide how hard they want to make it on themselves to win. i mean sheik, falco, fox, puff, falcon, marth, mfs ALL have tools that are inherently lame af imo
I've played both lame and not-lame versions of every character. It's the player, not the character. But Fox/Falco/Puff/Marth/Sheik/Peach/Falcon players tend to be on the lamer end because you can easily be bad at the game and spam Downsmash, Lazers, Forward Air, Turnips, Raptor Boost, Back Air etc and be very annoying to deal with where other characters aren't that busted and can't abuse stuff like that to be as lame.
This but also generally the best characters also have the most tools, and among those tools are ones that can be used to play lame so I'd have to say Fox overall.
@@Spaminator3000 Plup gave up being sick to focus on putting out results. Is what it is. Plup has shown he can play characters like Luigi even and do well af, but he plays ftilt uptilt brainless neutral sheik lol
Sheik. Camp until my opponent gets bored, shield grab, do the same training wheels combo that I've done a million times, repeat. I wish I had chose to be a Marth or Falco main instead when I started.
Ah yes because Jmook definitely does that. Lol just because you're bad with a character and bad at the game, that doesn't make a character lame smart one.
for me there's a difference between a character being lame to play/play against and lame to watch. I _hate_ playing against Falco, if Falco was removed from the game I'd genuinely have like 10x more motivation to grind Ranked. He turns the fluid and expressive neutral game of melee into a series of skewed mini games that you essentially have to either get lucky or hard read through to win. However, I like watching Falco because of the pace he can force opponents to play at. Marth is the opposite for me, I love the agency and freedom he gives you to approach and experiment with different timing and movement mixups - however he is one of my least favorite characters to watch because of how one sided the aggresion is, it feels like ur watching someone play a single player game against a really hard boss.
None's take on sheik sounds like a indirect response to jmook. Jmook says he plays sheik because ninjas are cool and she's sick to play. Nones soul crushing loss to jmook at genesis 9 basically ended his chance of him getting to top 8 because he ran into hbox after... I don't see how a puff camping ledge for 3 minutes isn't the lamest thing in this game. At least you can make a sheik recover on stage if they try to shino stall.
bro i dont even like cpt falcon i don't even care to watch him, but n0ne? He is pure entertainment, i don't even care who he plays, literally just enjoy watching him play, do you guys feel me?
Falcon is one of the lamest. He just happens to have amazing representation at the top. Mid-level Slippi falcons are just grab happy and so boring to play.
The lamest character is Link. Think about it, he has low run speed, sub-par frame data, 3 different projectiles, and a laggy ass grab (albeit actually situationally really handy), which means in order to not get fucked up by rushdown/good movement, you HAVE to zone your opponent out/play lame until they're at least high enough percent to actually be able to combo, since Links tilts are slow and he struggles to combo a lot of characters at low percents. Additionally, a lot of his combos can incorporate projectiles at higher percents to straight juggle the opponent from halfway across the stage, and since he can get frame data'd by top tiers pretty hard in close quarters, it's in your benefit to play campy most of the time in neutral.
@@scythea428 As a fellow Link main, I respect the hustle, but Link's a mid-range zoner. You're gonna be playing lame sometimes whether you like it or not lol. Edit: Hey shit a minute, you're RedX? I should really hop on the Linkcord VC once in a while lol. I see your messages on there all the time.
@@TheKornstalker nah dude I ain't redX but I'm inspired by him. I don't projectile nearly as much as a Link player should lol I'm just too concerned with acid drops and vudu up Bs and shit
@@TheKornstalker links kit outside of projectiles IMO is really fuckin cool. He can do sick stuff with his projectiles but it's situational. Like the sweet spot of boomerang right after it's thrown being able to combo is really sick. If you have a bomb when you do it you can Z drop or throw it on bad DI and get more follow ups. Not to mention slide off shit and ledge grab run off up Bs into bomb walljump down air. Shits a guaranteed nut every time lolol. Also what are the odds that Bowser PFP dudes tend to be Link players lol
I'm inclined to say fox is the lamest since I fight 50 of them every online session but as far actual game play and mechanics goes I would have to say either Kirby or zelda
Fighting a lot has nothing to do with how lame they are though. And definitely Zelda, all that character does is spam fair and bair, which is just the exact same move except they won't be equally staled
I’m not even a falco main but just on the fact that falco has so few guaranteed combos assuming good defensive play there’s a lot of creativity/mixups that have to happen to play falco at a high level. Creativity and mixups are hype, at least to me!
I can agree with certain play styles, you can play the bird very lame if you want to. However, that’s the case for a lot of the characters. So I’d argue it’s more of a player thing than a character thing.
@@zoyboy1914 lazer might be lame but at least it doesn't lead to instant guaranteed KOs like so many grabs. Grab is easily the worst thing in melee IMO.
It takes some serious lack of awareness to say sheik hides what she is while playing falcon LOL. Love getting air wobbled into the 4th up air and all the seals clapping in the crowd thinking it's hype. Falcon players smh
imo Wobbling icies and puff are the lamest. Falco (I know unpopular opinion) is right after since that character just feels like it was given everything on a silver platter between the dair being invincible, frame 1 shine, and having the best projectile in the game (online side b busted AF too). Sheik while usually lame has more to do with the player playing then the character itself. Unfortunately MOST Sheiks play lame. Plup, Jmook, and Borp are all pretty exciting to watch and are for sure the peoples champ a lot of the time.
@@kona7014 Aside from fox shine which you could argue is about as broken as falco's, and marth grab range I wouldn't say either of those two were gifted anything on a silver platter. They have good frame data and hitboxes yes, but nothing that just makes you want to say: "why does an already top character have 3-4 (online dependent) bs moves that are better than the entire cast aka falco." No other character do you have to learn how to powersheild their projectiles, no other character has a move that beats everything (dair), and only Fox has the same frame 1 invincible move in shine which is unanimously the best move in the game as Falco. You then add an non-reactable recovery option whilst online and yeah, falco is gifted everything on a silver platter. Marth is easy combo food and has bad recovery. Fox while "better" than falco is only due to his ability to kill floaties off the top, other than that his drill (which isn't broken) helps versus yoshi, and his shine (about as broken as falcos), helps against icies. Despite all those upsides fox has, none of his ATTACKS besides shine feel "game warping" in how you have to approach the matchup specifically to that one character.
@@zxien1 I didn't bother reading past the first sentence when you said Fox's shine was "about as broken" and only Martha's grab range. Ultimately, every top character is lame and broken but Falco probably has the least flowchart playstyle.
starting today, the legend @c0rnflake is gonna be editing the vids, so expect some subtle differences in style. Feedback always welcome btw :)
This was solid. Felt like a regular video 👍.
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i really get why most people say "no lame characters only lame players"
but i think the next level take is that all characters are inherently lame and its up to the player to decide how hard they want to make it on themselves to win. i mean sheik, falco, fox, puff, falcon, marth, mfs ALL have tools that are inherently lame af imo
this argument just loses to low tiers because they are cooler than high tiers
@@tristian14 how so? So many of the low tiers are so lame
@@tristian14 most low tiers are lame and gimmicky af
@@RIADAPLE nah ness and mew2 are better and cooler than falco/fox lmao
@@tristian14 low tier mains are usually s.xually attracted to their main its wild.
The editing on this video makes it so much better than normal, love the style change
It was edited by c0rnflake
Most of us just suck at the game and we're lame with every character
The correct answer, sadly
Sometimes I get pissed playing netplay, but somehow your videos always bring me back, favourite player by far
half the time i'm watching n0ne i'm hitting the left arrow on my keyboard
I've played both lame and not-lame versions of every character. It's the player, not the character. But Fox/Falco/Puff/Marth/Sheik/Peach/Falcon players tend to be on the lamer end because you can easily be bad at the game and spam Downsmash, Lazers, Forward Air, Turnips, Raptor Boost, Back Air etc and be very annoying to deal with where other characters aren't that busted and can't abuse stuff like that to be as lame.
6:30 certified shenanigans ✅️
6:44 I've never laughed that hard at a melee moment before lolllll
There are no lame characters, only lame players
This but also generally the best characters also have the most tools, and among those tools are ones that can be used to play lame so I'd have to say Fox overall.
Sheik disagrees
There are no lame characters, only sheik players.
@@scythea428 But Plup tho
@@Spaminator3000 Plup gave up being sick to focus on putting out results. Is what it is. Plup has shown he can play characters like Luigi even and do well af, but he plays ftilt uptilt brainless neutral sheik lol
Sheik. Camp until my opponent gets bored, shield grab, do the same training wheels combo that I've done a million times, repeat. I wish I had chose to be a Marth or Falco main instead when I started.
Never too late, could be fun to learn a new character
Still time to convert my son 🇻🇦
I switched to fox back in 2017. No regrets.
Ah yes because Jmook definitely does that. Lol just because you're bad with a character and bad at the game, that doesn't make a character lame smart one.
Ah yes, a casual player is supposed to play at the very top level in one of the most technical games of all time
for me there's a difference between a character being lame to play/play against and lame to watch. I _hate_ playing against Falco, if Falco was removed from the game I'd genuinely have like 10x more motivation to grind Ranked. He turns the fluid and expressive neutral game of melee into a series of skewed mini games that you essentially have to either get lucky or hard read through to win. However, I like watching Falco because of the pace he can force opponents to play at. Marth is the opposite for me, I love the agency and freedom he gives you to approach and experiment with different timing and movement mixups - however he is one of my least favorite characters to watch because of how one sided the aggresion is, it feels like ur watching someone play a single player game against a really hard boss.
Can’t say i agree on the Marth part, but i’m with you on Falco
if wobbling wasn't banned we'd alllllll be in agreement lol
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@kizrgd he still plays?
@kizr He didn't wobble because it was hard for him, he was a wobbling supporter and would not go to tournaments that had it banned iirc
@@TheMacaroniPanda carried
@@TheMacaroniPandawhy does it matter tho fly was still super fun to watch and proved how entertaining ics could be
@1:20 how did falco grab ledge?? Cause n0ne let go to up air or did it push him off?? I always die as falco in that scenario?
Yeah n0ne let go to upair there
0:46 That freaking hitbox is huge from behind what the hell.
lmao lots of good laughs in this video thanks n0ne!
I do generally find nothing sheiks do impressive. But the high level ones do something neat every now and again.
Sheik tech chasing spacies is a skilled wobble
i completely agree
Sheik is the most baby character ever. Thinking about picking her as my main because of that but my heart can’t be lame
@@Avatarbutters’Skilled’ lol. Just grind tech chasing /chain grabbing and you can zero to death damn near every character pretty consistently
None's take on sheik sounds like a indirect response to jmook. Jmook says he plays sheik because ninjas are cool and she's sick to play. Nones soul crushing loss to jmook at genesis 9 basically ended his chance of him getting to top 8 because he ran into hbox after...
I don't see how a puff camping ledge for 3 minutes isn't the lamest thing in this game. At least you can make a sheik recover on stage if they try to shino stall.
bro i dont even like cpt falcon i don't even care to watch him, but n0ne? He is pure entertainment, i don't even care who he plays, literally just enjoy watching him play, do you guys feel me?
was accidentally watching on 1.25x for the first minute and thought u were just the fastest melee player of all time
It's Falco.
After Sheik, it's 'definitely' Falco...
6:24 was craaazy
Surprised no one had said puff with all the planking
Puff is awesome
2:19 AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH how do you not pop off like randy savage after that man wtf
i thought this was an asumsaus video for a second when I looked at the thumbnail 😂
I had to stop what I was doing to give this video my full attention because there was too many sick things per seconds going on
i love these videos, i hate how many people get absolute destroyed by Ed lol props to c0rnflake, this vid was great
the one Hbox is using
3:28 👀
it's secretly falco, there will never be another mang0 (magi is close). But unsecretly it's sheik.
i love n0ne’s Falcon, but he can be the coolest in the game just as well as one of the lamest
Nice shit at 2:32 on, damn 😮
1:08 Has to be the most lamest Falco player I've ever seen.
He's playing online nor grand finals.. let the guy learn
None said it not me.
Falcon is one of the lamest. He just happens to have amazing representation at the top. Mid-level Slippi falcons are just grab happy and so boring to play.
I feel like most Falcons I run into on netplay, play dash dance grab, but with Falcon instead of Marth
@@Michael-hc2hpThis is it tbh, Throw in an occasional Nair or Stomp/knee lmao
El legendario Super Nunujin❤
3:01 a… hater?
Real answer
they all are.
The lamest character is Link. Think about it, he has low run speed, sub-par frame data, 3 different projectiles, and a laggy ass grab (albeit actually situationally really handy), which means in order to not get fucked up by rushdown/good movement, you HAVE to zone your opponent out/play lame until they're at least high enough percent to actually be able to combo, since Links tilts are slow and he struggles to combo a lot of characters at low percents. Additionally, a lot of his combos can incorporate projectiles at higher percents to straight juggle the opponent from halfway across the stage, and since he can get frame data'd by top tiers pretty hard in close quarters, it's in your benefit to play campy most of the time in neutral.
Let me change your mind. Link player here and my main emphasis is on being as sick as possible since day 1 in melee.
@@scythea428 As a fellow Link main, I respect the hustle, but Link's a mid-range zoner. You're gonna be playing lame sometimes whether you like it or not lol.
Edit: Hey shit a minute, you're RedX? I should really hop on the Linkcord VC once in a while lol. I see your messages on there all the time.
@@TheKornstalker nah dude I ain't redX but I'm inspired by him. I don't projectile nearly as much as a Link player should lol I'm just too concerned with acid drops and vudu up Bs and shit
@@scythea428 Ah, checks out lol. I can't deny, Link's bombs are like 50 percent of why I main the character hah.
@@TheKornstalker links kit outside of projectiles IMO is really fuckin cool. He can do sick stuff with his projectiles but it's situational. Like the sweet spot of boomerang right after it's thrown being able to combo is really sick. If you have a bomb when you do it you can Z drop or throw it on bad DI and get more follow ups. Not to mention slide off shit and ledge grab run off up Bs into bomb walljump down air. Shits a guaranteed nut every time lolol.
Also what are the odds that Bowser PFP dudes tend to be Link players lol
Cormflamke
puff, obviously
I play sheik because she's a ninja and I love OoT. Also needles are funny
Sheik and it’s not close
The answer is Puff even though I like Hbox.
Marth is my least favorite character to play against personally, platform stages make his combo extensions otherworldly.
And yet fd is his best stage lol.
@@Caleb-xw4tw against fox/falco, idk if the same can be said about other characters really
@@Barsee23I think Spacies beat Marth on FD nowadays
@@TheBeggies95 Good joke
I'm inclined to say fox is the lamest since I fight 50 of them every online session but as far actual game play and mechanics goes I would have to say either Kirby or zelda
I never found a kirby but I feel like kirby as at least some move diversity. Zelda however...
Fighting a lot has nothing to do with how lame they are though. And definitely Zelda, all that character does is spam fair and bair, which is just the exact same move except they won't be equally staled
As a Ganon main, I agree with Sheik being the lamest
Obviously depends on the player, but Falco, marth and sheik are lame to me.
Switch Marth for Falcon here
Hot take, Falco is fake hype
Not a hot take at all
I’m not even a falco main but just on the fact that falco has so few guaranteed combos assuming good defensive play there’s a lot of creativity/mixups that have to happen to play falco at a high level. Creativity and mixups are hype, at least to me!
I can agree with certain play styles, you can play the bird very lame if you want to. However, that’s the case for a lot of the characters. So I’d argue it’s more of a player thing than a character thing.
Cope harder
You prolly play peach
all top tier characters are lame except for falco because they all get too much off grab so all they do is fish for it.
falco‘s lazer is the LAMEST move in melee… but you probably play falco so that‘s hard to admit
@@zoyboy1914 so is grab
@@zoyboy1914 lazer might be lame but at least it doesn't lead to instant guaranteed KOs like so many grabs. Grab is easily the worst thing in melee IMO.
@@Gpsi861Lasers destroys neutral and single handedly push new players off the game since its so broken
S Q U E A K
Falco
falco
Puff
couldnt be falcon
ok but we all agree falco's the coolest, right
Hot take, he is the lamest.
Marth and Samus are lowkey hype
Peach
It takes some serious lack of awareness to say sheik hides what she is while playing falcon LOL. Love getting air wobbled into the 4th up air and all the seals clapping in the crowd thinking it's hype. Falcon players smh
Fire ass video
Puff (I didn’t watch the video)
idc what anyone says. Sheik gimps are fire
lamest is easily peach, no contest.
the lamest character in melee is ironically none's main lmfao
ganon is not lame ok
No one is saying it but Samus is the lamest character in the game
Falcon
I didn't know none was a hater🙄
Sheik is dope 🔥
Shiek lame for sure, everyone has to pull out the two exceptions for sake of argument when there’s hundreds of sheiks that play the exact same way
I guess you can say the same about other characters to some degree but lets keep it real
imo Wobbling icies and puff are the lamest. Falco (I know unpopular opinion) is right after since that character just feels like it was given everything on a silver platter between the dair being invincible, frame 1 shine, and having the best projectile in the game (online side b busted AF too). Sheik while usually lame has more to do with the player playing then the character itself. Unfortunately MOST Sheiks play lame. Plup, Jmook, and Borp are all pretty exciting to watch and are for sure the peoples champ a lot of the time.
Crazy how I could list a dozen Falcos off the dome with disgusting play, and your third option is Borp xD
how was falco given everything on a silver platter when fox n marth exist
@@kona7014 Aside from fox shine which you could argue is about as broken as falco's, and marth grab range I wouldn't say either of those two were gifted anything on a silver platter. They have good frame data and hitboxes yes, but nothing that just makes you want to say: "why does an already top character have 3-4 (online dependent) bs moves that are better than the entire cast aka falco." No other character do you have to learn how to powersheild their projectiles, no other character has a move that beats everything (dair), and only Fox has the same frame 1 invincible move in shine which is unanimously the best move in the game as Falco. You then add an non-reactable recovery option whilst online and yeah, falco is gifted everything on a silver platter. Marth is easy combo food and has bad recovery. Fox while "better" than falco is only due to his ability to kill floaties off the top, other than that his drill (which isn't broken) helps versus yoshi, and his shine (about as broken as falcos), helps against icies. Despite all those upsides fox has, none of his ATTACKS besides shine feel "game warping" in how you have to approach the matchup specifically to that one character.
@@zxien1 I didn't bother reading past the first sentence when you said Fox's shine was "about as broken" and only Martha's grab range.
Ultimately, every top character is lame and broken but Falco probably has the least flowchart playstyle.
Its Falco
Sheik by far
None spreading anti-sheik propaganda to improve his tournament results long term? Loll😂
n0ne speaking facts
Fox, everyone knows this. How could the character Cody and Leffen plays NOT be the lamest?
EASY
Marth, peach, sheik, dr Mario, Dk, puff, samus, pikachu 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🤧🤧
Almost all😂
Marth pretty obvious
Marth easily
Sheik for sure
its falco
The lamest players are the ones still wearing face diaper slave masks when it's not forced upon you
True