As an xbow/dagger main I genuinely dont understand how people play this class in arena.... The arenas are absolutely flooded with GS and Spear daggers and it genuinely feels like there is 0 counterplay unless you get extremely lucky prediction blocks
Putting crossbow dagger in S tier is a crime, it’s B tier in GvG the spin to win does no impact at all unless you have multiple crossbows spinning, in this meta of shields and high HP crossbow dagger lacks a lot due to low survivavibility. Coming from main crossbow dagger full gear and leader of a deathsquad crossbow daggers.
@@SplitPushLoL I just said that solo xbow is bad that’s why I have a deathsquad xbow party which is good. Sometimes you just have to read . You proved my point
And you are the 1% of the population that can play the class correctly. I said in the video, the class is still really good in the right person's hands. You just have to be him.
Still running staff dagger fully kitted and decimating dominion events, arena, and LS pvp…. Very few people stacking magic evasion on west coast servers.
@@gs7605 I agree. Imo (as an SnS / GS main) it is the scariest ST ranged class. I haven't seen many staff / spear players, so maybe it is better. Wand / Dagger is also pretty slept on rn with runes, there is a guy in our alliance constantly posting 1vX clips as w/d. I don't think any other classes are consistently 1v6ing parties like that these days.
@@gs7605 It was alot better when 90% of the server wasn't running magic evasion is the point I was trying to make. Yes, you can still get massive kills on opponents who don't know when to reset the fight, and who don't have stealth. CC is more reliable than pure dps and staff lacks cc. It also lacks the build diversity that other weapons have such as longbow or greatsword. In terms of nuking small clumps, spear is just better because the targets that are nukeable typically don't have high melee evasion. Spear just does it's role better so staff deserves a lower tier than it did pre 1.11 patch
relative to pvp what stun trinket are you currently using, PPS or one of the newer ones and if so what color? blue makes more sense but idk what its like at high mmr @SolAshur
blue trinket is my favorite because it counters stunlock combos like greatsword even though it doesn't cc break the knockdown, it will heal you and prevent you from dieing before their combo ends. It's also really nice to recover from sleep bombers
Thanks again for the content. Just a heads up, your Staff/Spear Rang/Mag eva questlog has purple runes in the weapons, so the stat allocation isn't obtainable currently.
If your running dagger, don’t waste your time with melee evasion, you can’t get to a high enough threshold… max your magic/range and try to stealth/roll/purify out of melee attacks.
I prefer melee evasion because without it, you just get curb stomped by greatsword users. Typically with the higher hp of melee evasion sets, you can survive more against magic range users and still 1 combo them. However, the magic range set does more dmg, and has a higher skill ceiling. If you want to do large scale, you have to have a magic range set.
You dont have enough hit if youre having trouble with evasion players as staff dagger. I have 1059 hit and with high focus its over 1500 hit. Add 100 food buff and youre over 1600 hit. Staff dagger still hits like a truck just fine. 7 out of top 20 kills on our server are staff daggers.
That's about the same as my setup, though I'm thinking of raising the hit and dropping my evasions. it's good, but it's not better than spear dagger. I'm sure if those players swapped over to spear they would out frag that staff dagger any day. The only problem is that currently, people have not seen the true potential of spear because they are still learning the class. There are enough staff guides out there, ones I've created myself, and the community has created. This bring the average level of a staff user higher than the average spear user. I'm telling you now though, spear has a much higher skill ceiling.
Damn get a cam and a mic. you can get a decent one for $30 each cuh. You think dagger/spear is better than gs/dagger in small scale/arenas? anyway overall solid tier list tho man
im in singapore on a laptop brother relax lmao. Not buying a cam just so you cam to fap to my face while I'm out the country. Ill be back in America in jan on my setup but i'd say for soloque, gs dagger is better than spear dagger in MOST situations. However, in the situations the spear is better, it far outshines the greatsword. Greatsword is good for taking out a single target. spear is good for applying pressure to the entire team while still having decent single target burst.
Im finding alot of success as Bow/xbow in large scale. Getting many many kills. Having 1500 hit, 15k hp, a spin, a snare, a stun, a flashwave.....Im incredibly powerful in the zerg. Definitely under rated for your average player. If you get isolated vs numbers you die....but so does most everyone else. I feel far more useful as Bow/xbow than i wver did as xbow/dagger.
I dont think so really. I main the xbow most of the time due to its fire rate, I have 59% atk speed, we just had siege and I went 72-21 so pretty solid K/D. With so much pew pew, its easy to hop from target to target picking off people. The stuns and all the mobility make you really hard to pin down and then having the ability to spin2win on cap points or when the zerg comes in just makes it such a nice overall build for large scale PvP.
amazing in a large scale because it's pure dps, but has zero potential to win unless you gearcheck someone in a 1v1. In small scale, again it's largely based on matchup and without melee evasion you are getting smacked around like a sandbag.
@@MillionXBL Pretty standard Resistance/Harvester. Aelon bow + ranged runes and pvp hit food will push you over 1500. 1300 should be pretty easy to sit at with low runes and no food. I'd guess most of hit your missing comes for the fact Aelon bow carries large hit chance, and i prefer it over Karnix or Tbow since you can often win duels with the heal proc in an exchange. Strafe with lightning nature can heal for several thousand when fired into a group.
Nice video but I disagree with your Great Sword Spear opinion. I would put it at A tier for the lowest. It's a monster in 3V3 and Arena. You put crossbow dagger s tier but gs spear b tier lol. I think you haven't really seen how strong it is yet. I posted a clip with the gs spear in siege. I can bomb without a wand. no sleep needed lol. I'm sure you have many reasons why you can back up your take on it and me too so we will agree to disagree lol.
@wickedcyborg i saw your clip and I respect it, but you could've did that on any combination of spear. The greatsword doesn't add much value to bombing on spear. Were you to have dagger you could bomb stealth away and reset. Same with small scale, you can simply just reset the fight and engage at your own timing. With two dps weapons you have much less survivability without depending on your team .
Greatsword anything can go crazy. Spear anything, can go crazy. It's about the higher skill ceiling that each of those weapons have when paired with a dagger versus being paired together.
@ I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m just saying they wilding here so much I switched to it 😂 def higher skill ceiling for sure. Feels like finesse class I’m diggin it especially the multi-kill potential for a melee class
@ that’s a fact lol spear dagger seems to hit even harder so I’m working on that project on the side as well 😂 it’s just the mana consumption that sucks
you are probably the 1% that plays it correctly. Remember, most players follow maxroll and youtube guides and there is a lack of information about this class out there. Therefore, most people end up playing it incorrectly.
How do you play GS/Bow? I've been recently trying it out, but don't know the right defense build. Currently, I have magic/ranged endurance. What do you build?
flash wave is only broken in large scale. It's not great in small scale. A good xbow dagger has about Half the TTK compared to a longbow in small scale. The tier list is not just based on large scale alone.
@@SolAshur anyway the important events in TnL are mostly large scale so I think Bow/Dagg is still S Tier, I see comments of some xbow/dagg user do not agree that they deserve S tier.
@@maky4you personal preferance my guy. Not everyone likes to be a zergling depending on large groups for content. there is a reason rankings exist in 3v3 areans as well as rewards you can't get from large scale.
Spear/bow in small scale is played like a brawler with heal skills and passive shield from bow. Its okay and its fun coz ppl focus you but you kinda want that coz they come to you on their own so you can use your spear combos easily
sns and longbow has a lot of potential It is also very tanky It also has self-healing You are great in large scale In 1v1, he has more chances against other tank classes You just have to understand it very carefully
I've seen some monsters of sns longbow in KR. Sadly, I've seen zero good ones on NA East. I know it has some potential, but it doesn't seem like it's anywhere close to the meta in north Americans hands.
thing is magic dagger is so dam easy to play around , their biggest damage is the most obvious thing to dodge mitigating 80% of their damage , still s tier for gvg tho .
Exactly my point, unless you catch someone without their cooldowns, most people will just stealth and reset the fight. In order to have max dmg and hit you have to go magic range meaning you can be one comboed by any melee class. Now with the introduction of spear, that means anything class that can really one combo you. It's a bit more rough in the meta for a staff dagger. In large scale i'd much rather play staff/spear or longbow anything than staff/dagger because the spear provides so much more cleave and aoe to the kit. The dagger provides survivability but it doesn't matter unless you are bombing. Your goal is to aoe and cleave, and the dagger doesn't provide any true dps skills to the rotation playing at range.
well, there's no other class that can do what xbow does and this is my main reasoning for putting it into S tier. It has no replacement. Yes, longbow can spam flashwave from the front and kill with the right positioning. But a xbow that followsup on a flash wave or followup on a sleep bomb and completely destroy the back/mid line of a zerg. There's no other class that's going in and doing this. Although, spear can compete it is not a replacement for xbow backline dives.
As an xbow/dagger main I genuinely dont understand how people play this class in arena.... The arenas are absolutely flooded with GS and Spear daggers and it genuinely feels like there is 0 counterplay unless you get extremely lucky prediction blocks
This is 100% me. Can’t dodge / get away from stunlock / focus. Unplayable
Putting crossbow dagger in S tier is a crime, it’s B tier in GvG the spin to win does no impact at all unless you have multiple crossbows spinning, in this meta of shields and high HP crossbow dagger lacks a lot due to low survivavibility. Coming from main crossbow dagger full gear and leader of a deathsquad crossbow daggers.
Correct it's crime it's so weak now it's useless
I agree the meta is most deff all about hp
every dps isnt going to do anything solo in gvg, it sounds like your deathsquad is just bad.
@@SplitPushLoL I just said that solo xbow is bad that’s why I have a deathsquad xbow party which is good. Sometimes you just have to read . You proved my point
@@SplitPushLoL bow / staff will get 100+ kills in GvG with zero coordination / hand holding
As a blighter main, I love that we are constantly underestimated. Meanwhile today in seige defense. I managed 71 kills and 201 assists.
you got tevent wand?
And you are the 1% of the population that can play the class correctly.
I said in the video, the class is still really good in the right person's hands. You just have to be him.
Still running staff dagger fully kitted and decimating dominion events, arena, and LS pvp…. Very few people stacking magic evasion on west coast servers.
That’s because it is not possible to stack enough mag evasion to counter high focus
@ exactly but it’s not as bad as he’s claiming in the video.
@@gs7605 I agree. Imo (as an SnS / GS main) it is the scariest ST ranged class. I haven't seen many staff / spear players, so maybe it is better.
Wand / Dagger is also pretty slept on rn with runes, there is a guy in our alliance constantly posting 1vX clips as w/d. I don't think any other classes are consistently 1v6ing parties like that these days.
@@gs7605 It was alot better when 90% of the server wasn't running magic evasion is the point I was trying to make. Yes, you can still get massive kills on opponents who don't know when to reset the fight, and who don't have stealth.
CC is more reliable than pure dps and staff lacks cc. It also lacks the build diversity that other weapons have such as longbow or greatsword. In terms of nuking small clumps, spear is just better because the targets that are nukeable typically don't have high melee evasion. Spear just does it's role better so staff deserves a lower tier than it did pre 1.11 patch
Great post. I rolled long bow wand at launch. Gear score is 2260 currently. Pushing to 2500
Nice dude the game needs more healers
Sol , in summary, im a staff dagger, you would suggest me to respec to spear dagger?
@antoniobua8020 staff is still strong man don't give up on it if you love the weapon.
I just think spear is better overall
Ty sol, and happy new year my brother
@antoniobua8020 happy new year brother 🙏🏾
relative to pvp what stun trinket are you currently using, PPS or one of the newer ones and if so what color? blue makes more sense but idk what its like at high mmr @SolAshur
blue trinket is my favorite because it counters stunlock combos like greatsword
even though it doesn't cc break the knockdown, it will heal you and prevent you from dieing before their combo ends.
It's also really nice to recover from sleep bombers
Thanks again for the content.
Just a heads up, your Staff/Spear Rang/Mag eva questlog has purple runes in the weapons, so the stat allocation isn't obtainable currently.
yeah i made this so it's future proof, its really hard to change runes for every patch on all my builds.
Hello brother, thanks for that vídeo, tell me, for Spear/Daggeer you prefere rang/magic evasion or go with the melee evasion?
If your running dagger, don’t waste your time with melee evasion, you can’t get to a high enough threshold… max your magic/range and try to stealth/roll/purify out of melee attacks.
I prefer melee evasion because without it, you just get curb stomped by greatsword users. Typically with the higher hp of melee evasion sets, you can survive more against magic range users and still 1 combo them.
However, the magic range set does more dmg, and has a higher skill ceiling.
If you want to do large scale, you have to have a magic range set.
@@gs7605 I'm at 2075 melee eva. How much you need 😅
I am thinking of changing dagger crossbow for dagge spear for T2 do you think this is a good idea thanks in advance
@@lio8767 I'm looking at 3 godlike spears for T2. The stat spread has so much versatility. I absolutely think it's a good idea to pickup spear in T2.
After playing from the official release till now, I finally got my Bellandir staff from a peace bellandir event. Ez wkwk
grats homie, you're now a true zergling. HAHA
You dont have enough hit if youre having trouble with evasion players as staff dagger. I have 1059 hit and with high focus its over 1500 hit. Add 100 food buff and youre over 1600 hit. Staff dagger still hits like a truck just fine. 7 out of top 20 kills on our server are staff daggers.
That's about the same as my setup, though I'm thinking of raising the hit and dropping my evasions. it's good, but it's not better than spear dagger.
I'm sure if those players swapped over to spear they would out frag that staff dagger any day.
The only problem is that currently, people have not seen the true potential of spear because they are still learning the class. There are enough staff guides out there, ones I've created myself, and the community has created. This bring the average level of a staff user higher than the average spear user.
I'm telling you now though, spear has a much higher skill ceiling.
@SolAshur Ya I have an alt build that is spear/gs but will probably play around with spear dagger too once it's more fleshed out.
Damn get a cam and a mic. you can get a decent one for $30 each cuh. You think dagger/spear is better than gs/dagger in small scale/arenas? anyway overall solid tier list tho man
im in singapore on a laptop brother relax lmao. Not buying a cam just so you cam to fap to my face while I'm out the country. Ill be back in America in jan on my setup
but i'd say for soloque, gs dagger is better than spear dagger in MOST situations. However, in the situations the spear is better, it far outshines the greatsword. Greatsword is good for taking out a single target. spear is good for applying pressure to the entire team while still having decent single target burst.
Im finding alot of success as Bow/xbow in large scale. Getting many many kills. Having 1500 hit, 15k hp, a spin, a snare, a stun, a flashwave.....Im incredibly powerful in the zerg. Definitely under rated for your average player. If you get isolated vs numbers you die....but so does most everyone else. I feel far more useful as Bow/xbow than i wver did as xbow/dagger.
In other words - Bow is waaay overtuned.
I dont think so really. I main the xbow most of the time due to its fire rate, I have 59% atk speed, we just had siege and I went 72-21 so pretty solid K/D. With so much pew pew, its easy to hop from target to target picking off people. The stuns and all the mobility make you really hard to pin down and then having the ability to spin2win on cap points or when the zerg comes in just makes it such a nice overall build for large scale PvP.
amazing in a large scale because it's pure dps, but has zero potential to win unless you gearcheck someone in a 1v1. In small scale, again it's largely based on matchup and without melee evasion you are getting smacked around like a sandbag.
Wat is all your gear im scout also and cant get pass 1200hit chance
@@MillionXBL Pretty standard Resistance/Harvester. Aelon bow + ranged runes and pvp hit food will push you over 1500. 1300 should be pretty easy to sit at with low runes and no food. I'd guess most of hit your missing comes for the fact Aelon bow carries large hit chance, and i prefer it over Karnix or Tbow since you can often win duels with the heal proc in an exchange. Strafe with lightning nature can heal for several thousand when fired into a group.
When you gona throw up that spear dagger build on questlog?
its already on questlog brudda
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im streaming it atm
been following your vids and streams. Iv learned a lot. thanks dude @@SolAshur
@@Cure4Herps happy to hear it's helping brother. ty for supporting
Just got Tevent wand as Templar, Arenas are ez now, I build for hitchance and offense, ppl cant ignore me cos I can one shot them with sleep combo ;)
@kiroshki hahaha love to see it man . Tenant wand is disgusting
Nice video but I disagree with your Great Sword Spear opinion. I would put it at A tier for the lowest. It's a monster in 3V3 and Arena. You put crossbow dagger s tier but gs spear b tier lol.
I think you haven't really seen how strong it is yet. I posted a clip with the gs spear in siege. I can bomb without a wand. no sleep needed lol. I'm sure you have many reasons why you can back up your take on it and me too so we will agree to disagree lol.
@wickedcyborg i saw your clip and I respect it, but you could've did that on any combination of spear. The greatsword doesn't add much value to bombing on spear.
Were you to have dagger you could bomb stealth away and reset.
Same with small scale, you can simply just reset the fight and engage at your own timing. With two dps weapons you have much less survivability without depending on your team .
I agree with the staff dagger. Cant really kill anyone anymore
@ghostfame5719 you gotta really catch people . Everyone knows our combos now, they're a bit predictable after the rise of so many spellblades
SNS spear build with archboss weapon too pleaseeeeee ty!
ill be at every archboss when i return to America in jan; coming soon
Spear greatswords on karnix going crazy rn lol
Greatsword anything can go crazy.
Spear anything, can go crazy.
It's about the higher skill ceiling that each of those weapons have when paired with a dagger versus being paired together.
@ I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m just saying they wilding here so much I switched to it 😂 def higher skill ceiling for sure. Feels like finesse class I’m diggin it especially the multi-kill potential for a melee class
@DeadbeatToji Americans love their dps monkey classes lmao
@ that’s a fact lol spear dagger seems to hit even harder so I’m working on that project on the side as well 😂 it’s just the mana consumption that sucks
dagger bow definitely S tier
Brah i made greatsword/ bow for fun to test on arena and i was like 80% winrate..i dont think its a D tier at all..
you are probably the 1% that plays it correctly. Remember, most players follow maxroll and youtube guides and there is a lack of information about this class out there. Therefore, most people end up playing it incorrectly.
How do you play GS/Bow? I've been recently trying it out, but don't know the right defense build. Currently, I have magic/ranged endurance. What do you build?
you put xbow/dagg to S Tier but Long bow/Dagger to A tier thats absurd, This is Flashwave and Liberty bruh.
flash wave is only broken in large scale. It's not great in small scale. A good xbow dagger has about Half the TTK compared to a longbow in small scale.
The tier list is not just based on large scale alone.
@@SolAshur anyway the important events in TnL are mostly large scale so I think Bow/Dagg is still S Tier, I see comments of some xbow/dagg user do not agree that they deserve S tier.
@@maky4you personal preferance my guy. Not everyone likes to be a zergling depending on large groups for content.
there is a reason rankings exist in 3v3 areans as well as rewards you can't get from large scale.
Spear/bow in small scale is played like a brawler with heal skills and passive shield from bow. Its okay and its fun coz ppl focus you but you kinda want that coz they come to you on their own so you can use your spear combos easily
are you running endurance with this build? Would love to see more gameplay of it tbh.
I stopped watching after u called sns/wand a paladin 🤦🏽♂️ it’s a Templar.
Paladin is gs/wand 🤦🏽♂️
@joeka6405 sns wand has been referred to as paladin since KR
Not sure why amazon named gs wand paladin but its not even a Meta class. It's pretty bad
You lost me at your GS + Spear eval
Gs spear gets shit on by gs dagger or spear dagger.
It has no place in the meta
sns and longbow has a lot of potential It is also very tanky It also has self-healing You are great in large scale In 1v1, he has more chances against other tank classes You just have to understand it very carefully
I've seen some monsters of sns longbow in KR. Sadly, I've seen zero good ones on NA East.
I know it has some potential, but it doesn't seem like it's anywhere close to the meta in north Americans hands.
this guy is absolutely clueless XDDDDD
and you're low tier trash.
thing is magic dagger is so dam easy to play around , their biggest damage is the most obvious thing to dodge mitigating 80% of their damage , still s tier for gvg tho .
Exactly my point, unless you catch someone without their cooldowns, most people will just stealth and reset the fight.
In order to have max dmg and hit you have to go magic range meaning you can be one comboed by any melee class. Now with the introduction of spear, that means anything class that can really one combo you.
It's a bit more rough in the meta for a staff dagger.
In large scale i'd much rather play staff/spear or longbow anything than staff/dagger because the spear provides so much more cleave and aoe to the kit. The dagger provides survivability but it doesn't matter unless you are bombing. Your goal is to aoe and cleave, and the dagger doesn't provide any true dps skills to the rotation playing at range.
XD
@@mokoko3634 uwu xd
Anyone who puts xbow/dagger and S tier their tier list is trash,
Lmfao just got 70 kills during siege no prob.. I think your just sardine water 😂
@nemohoes3812 yeah and died 100, I get a 100 kills easy with longbow next
well, there's no other class that can do what xbow does and this is my main reasoning for putting it into S tier.
It has no replacement.
Yes, longbow can spam flashwave from the front and kill with the right positioning.
But a xbow that followsup on a flash wave or followup on a sleep bomb and completely destroy the back/mid line of a zerg.
There's no other class that's going in and doing this. Although, spear can compete it is not a replacement for xbow backline dives.