Fabio!!! Thats what i wrote to you (GEAR1 vs GEAR2)! 3733 need to be slower in some games, because Gear1 is supported to 3600mhz MAX, after that frequency Gear2 activates 🥺...reason, why some games with 3733 have less FPS than with 3600 👍! For Alder Lake 3200 cl14 is the best, because some bioses (gigabyte for example) have some bug with 3600, sometimes Gear2 needed, but Gear2 is ok only for 4000+ Mhz DDR4 🤮
@@KOT-ANGRY no man, that is plain false. You can force Gear 1, and i can even reach 4000MHz at gear 1, it will just need more voltage on the IMC, and i don't like it much EDIT: Also, Gear2 isn't okay even for 4000MHz, not worth it all
@@AncientGameplays Really? With newest bios (Giga MB) i can do only 3600mhz now with Gear1, any higher works with Gear2 only... With old Bios 3433 was MAX with Gear1 mode, but its fixed now! Im my life 3 intel cpus died (i7 4790k, i5 6500 and i7 10700k) because memory controller voltage killed them ☠️, sooooo - dont force it! Want higher frequencies - go DDR5 and be happy ❤👍
Great video. When I put my i5 12600k build together, I simply went for the highest non OC RAM speed, so 3200MHz (@16-18-18-38). It's good to know I didn't really miss out on any significant performance, especially since I'm running 1440p on a 21:9 screen. The RAM is also running rock stable at 3600-18-19-19-39. Probably could try dropping it to CL17. So there's that option as well.
@@lalotz Uhm, that's just normal overclocking, in this case of the IMC. Running at up to 3200MHz just means keeping it within the non OC specifications, going over bears the risk of any kind of overclocking.
Awesome Dude! I recently saw your videos and I just love how you compile them together with a short gameplay video with hardware usage and then some bar graphs. That brings it all together well. Sub for you my new favourite benchmark go to guy...
To understand why some higher RAM frequencies may not behave as expected always consider that RAM and CPU cache may have sync issues depending on memory speed ratios affecting branch prediction efficiency, and that depends on software optimization.
@@AncientGameplays Yes, there are various internal component speed tweaks available on each platform, but you can only profit from a job done faster if it arrives in time to be useful. If the needed data misses the train it will have to wait for the next cycle. The impact is reduced as trains keep coming faster though.
Great video. I game on a 4k tv and just bought an i5 12600k on sale. I wondered if I needed to upgrade my old 2666mhz ram along with my old i5 8400. But it looks like if I game at 4k an upgraded ddr4 kit won't do much for me. Maybe in 5 years I will finally move over to a ddr 5 platform.
FABIO!! will you be doing videos about the GPU drivers ? my drivers seem to be acting strange and radeon software got weird too... hope to see more from you. thanks!
Great video as always, Fábio! 3733 was kinda odd though, did you tune any of the secondary timings by any chance? Not all motherboards keep them consistent, especially on non-round frequencies (3200, 3600, 4000). Also, why not go higher than 3733? 4000 is a common XMP spec and most Intel chips can handle it
Hey man, actually most alder lake CPUs cant go past 3733MHz on current bios unless tou apply lots of voltage to the IMC, which i dont like to do. Older ones will go fine though. As for subtimings, the most important ones were consistent and fixed
If possible can you help me please. I got all the components to build a pc except the ram. I got 12600k, msi rtx 3090 and z690-f motherboard. Which ddr4 ram should I get as I heard ddr4 is probably best considering ddr5 doesn’t offer too much better
Just wondering what’s ya thoughts on a video about having a split gpu power cable or having two separate power connectors . If there’s any difference? As we currently want the most fps of what we have now 👍
That would never bring more or less FPS, but having only one rail (even more on older PSUs) can cause instability in some cases, and in others, even break the GPU if the PSU is pretty bad
@@AncientGameplays Yeah I thought of similar situation but I watched Jaytwocentz video and he got better benchmark results :-/ so made me query worth a look :) 👍
@@Rixster_82 From owning a RX 5700 ref model using two separate connections from the Corsair CX 650M was always 100% stable even flashing the card to XT , later drivers allowed auto overclock which was 2049Mhz on gpu 100 % stable . I sold that card and got an RTX 3070 and it's using the same power supply with two separate connection and again 100% stable .
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 ah brill what I thought as I have the 750w Tx supply. Where’s best to get the cables from. I will have a look around Tx for the help …… 👍
Any clue why AMD is not releasing new GPU drivers? Are they just so stable that they don't need to upload new versions or what's going on? I know you don't work in AMD but I consider you an expert in this segment so maybe you'll know something :D
@@madarasoun3018 You probably won’t even be able to notice this “massive perf decrease” unless you are looking at a FPS counter. But I’m biased I’m still rocking my 32gb 2666mhz ram lol
@@AncientGameplays do you know if its a difference between oc a ram from 3200 to 4000 and oc from 3600 to 4000? (Same manufacterer, model just different mhz)
Hey love your videos man! maybe you can do a b450 vs b550 vs x570 to check if there is diff in game performance? I am having trouble to choose a motherboard which would you choose?
Hi guys, I'm planning to upgrade to the i5 12400 BUT i will upgrade the ram later on. I just need to know if anyone has had issues running 2666mhz ram on it? Any help would be really appreciated
@@AncientGameplays yeah I did watch and was surprised to see it working. Was just a bit worried maybe some systems might have issues with it but thanks 🙂
If I buy ram in frequencies at 3200mhz cl16 and I OC it at 3800mhz, would I still go to cl6 and therefore better performance? I will buy the dominator corsair 3200mhz cl16
Any 3200MHz RAM will hardly overclock to 3800MHz and even if it did, the latency would have to be incerased a lot. These low timings are mostly for samsung b-die and some micron chips
Great video, intel 12th gen seems awesome performance / price, hope to see your next video to compare the 5600x with the 12400 or the 12600k with high memory speed and timings. Competition is good for us the customers. Cheers
Hey man thanks for another great video. BTW was wandering how FC6 performs for you I have problems with some random stutters esp in battlefield2042, slight micro stutters/frame timing in halo. 5900x 6900xt 2x8 3200. Not sure if my b450f gaming mobo can be part of the problem with such crap vrm.
@@AncientGameplays Thanks for responding bro , just upgraded my pc recently did not have this problem before but seems to happen in most demanding games but worse in others BF2042/FC6 I get it really bad, Halo it’s very faint stutters, CSGO seemed fine, going to test in overwatch. I did a clean install of windows changed from legacy to gpt/uefi then enabled Sam and set docp to the rams profile. Then I installed AMD drivers/chipset…etc I don’t use anti lag or any of that stuff either. Should be no bottleneck either with 6900xt/5900x/8x2 3200/850w psu/WD750nvm.2SSD/b450f gaming
@@AncientGameplays unfortunately did not work, however latencymon failed and said high DCP latency for ntoskrynl and received pagefaults for radeonsoftware…this stuff is way over my head now lol 😂
Thanks for the video!!! I have 2666 cl 13. I plan to buy 12400f. Do I understand correctly that I can safely use it and the performance losses will not be very significant (relatively)?
Great Video, exactly what i searched. i am running a i9-12900k. But i could not figure out a difference between 3200 and 3600 in your benchmark. Do you think 3600 will really perform better even wenn cpu is not in the limit?
I just switched over to an Intel i5-12600k cpu. ( coming from a Ryzen 5 3600 ). I also buy the Asus ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 mb. About the ram... Will the T Force Xtreem cl14 3600 work fine ? or should I go with the 3200 ? Price: 150eur for 3200. 220 for 3600
@@AncientGameplays Thnx for the respond. The 3200 has CL14-14-14-34 and the 3600 has CL14-15-15-35, which one would be best ? Price 150eur for 3200mh - 220eur for 3600
Thanks for the video! Interesting how the intel IMC comes into play negatively (for performance) at the higher memory frequencies (for now)...it seems 3600 mhz is the favored OC ram now on both intel and AMD* (depending on setup)... and 3200 is still the best standard choice for easy 'plug and play' timings/operation. I guess if you want higher ram frequencies above 3600 go for 12600KF SKU? No IMC on those SKUs. Tip for everyone: needless to say... make sure the exact model of your ram kit is on the QVL memory list for your motherboard at stated timings/frequencies. Especially if you go into OC territory. Otherwise you could potentially end up with worse performance ( ex. stutters) or crashes/boot loops because...well your motherboard just doesn't like those stick of ram ^^) -not optimized or tested by motherboard manufacturer.
It works best for me G.Skill Trident Z NEO 2 x 16 3200 mhz CL 14-14-14-34 as without changing anything it even comes through two clicks in BIOS up to 3600+ at the same timings for more than 3600 mhz, it only wants to raise the voltage a little and calmly stands at 3733 mhz on CL 14-14-14-34 at a voltage of about 1.4
@@jacksheldon8566 you have fsr which is very close to what dlss brings now (being even better in some aspects) so I wouldn't worry. Ray tracing is the only downside, but u less the game is really heavily raytraced, even the 6800 will be fine
@@AncientGameplays what about coil whine. did you have some issue with your 6800? do you know if 6800xt has troublesome coile whine? (and is PowerColor Red Dragon a good gpu brand? )
Hey I have a question, whenever I use my software to check temps its always different then what i get from Msi afterburner. Is my software wrong or is Afterburner wrong.
@@AncientGameplays Ye i figured out that I was looking at my junc temperature and was comparing it to my gpu Temp. A bit of a mixup but figured it out ;-;
O i5 12600k suportou até quantos mhz no ddr4 ? E sabe até quantos mhz o i5 13600k suporta no ddr4 ? No site oficial fala que é só até 3200mhz mas na realidade ele está aguentando frequências mais altas de memória ram
I was sad at first becasue I could not overclock my dual channel 64 (32X2) gb kingston beast 3200 cl16 (KF432C16BB/32 by micron technology) even by tiny bit but thanks to this video I am very happy. There is tiny tiny difference on i5 12600k ❤
If feel like your 3733 ram overclock is in gear 2 and why it’s performing worse. Freq above 3600 is hard to do in gear 1 since 11th gen. I was able to get 3733 cl14 in gear 1 but it took a lot of tweaking to get it stable. If I just did xmp or less the mobo do an auto oc it would put 3733 into gear 2. I’m not able to do anything about 3733 in gear 1 unless I really make the latency way worse
@@AncientGameplays Alder Lake seem very "picky" and much different compared to previous Intel architectures when it comes to RAM so maybe that's why... also W10 and W11 might manage them differently since Intel advised to use AL with W11. Anyway I can't wait for ZEN 4 to see even more competitiveness haha :P
better if u tested on amd as arnt ryzens more sensitive to ram speed and timings than intel? Also x4 foundations is a good game to see performance benefits from tighter ram and faster ram, if u ever wana test it but its a very cpu demanding game and bit incosistant with fps so maybe not.
amd is NOT more sensitive to ram speeds. both benefit the same from it period. the only thing AMD is is more sensitive to ram in general (will not work with many sets out there because of the in my opinion bad ram controller even if ram is within stock spec.)
I was running 2x8gb at 3600mhz and it was good. I added 2x8gb of the same exact ram and now its sluggish with load times bring significantly slower. Is xmp the reason?
I just bought a new motherboard with an i7-11700, I have 2666 ram with a 5600xt and was looking to see if I should upgrade. It doesn't look like I should spend the money for just a few more fps.
@@mikeDeSales943 nah bro you’re fine unless you are made of money, you won’t even be able to notice the difference unless you have a FPS counter, but I’m biased I’m still rocking my 32gb 2666mhz lol
@@AncientGameplays thanks a lot, by the way how do you know if your ram has samsung b-die I was watching your other videos, and that came up and I'd liketo know what my ram has.
i have 24 gb hyperx fury stock 2666 (3333 oc) from 10400, but i bought 12100 and wanted to upgrade it to 3600 c16.... until i saw that video) TY man xD PS my 12100 with 3333 oc hyperx has 60 fps 0.1% and 1% in Far Cry 5. Thats fantastic smooth gameplay...
@@AncientGameplays i built this pc and everything is set up but my windows won’t update, whenever i restart it’s says , “MEMORY MANAGEMENT” then restarts again, but when it restarts it’s says that the update still hasn’t completed. Also whenever i try to set my ram to 3200 which is what i paid for , my bios screen freezes, and i have to restart my board completely. Is there any way you can help me through like a zoom or skype call or something, ive tried just about everything on youtube.
@@AncientGameplays It makes great sense tho. You are supposed to be comparing RAM frequency but the different timings are also a factor affecting results in this test. Just like frequency, timings also affect results so it salts these results unnecessarily.
I have 3200Mhz RGB ram and 3600mhz non RGB ram, watched this to see if I can RGBify my system without loosing to much performance... I play in 4k and am stuck in the GPU limit anyways so I guess I can try.
Bro tell me that I'm right... You won't never ever need more than 4-6 cores to push the upcoming God of War about 60 FPS in ultra settings at 4k! Why the hell are they writing you would need at least i9 9900k or a Ryzen 9 3950x to run GOW at ultra 4k 60fps? 🤣🤦🏻♂️ I'm too fkn sure I can smash this like nothing with my 5600x & RX 6900 XT LC. I'm excited how it will run!
@@AncientGameplays Subtimings?? you mean 3733MHz CL-16-16-16-36 is slower than 3600Mhz CL-17-19-19-39... hah.. just accept the tip ;) Great stuff btw! Keep up! Edit: also at least that proves you are giving us a real benchmark numbers that's also great!
you missed that he test on variety of game, some game that ram sensitive got fps boost and some other game that didn't got lower benchmark which mean ram speed didn't really matter for that game, atleast that my point of view. idk what differs from gaming nowadays and back in the days, but as I see a lot of benchmark video, the performance difference between non clocked ram ddr4 (2666) and the xmp one, even the ddr5 is so subtle when playing at 4k resolution
@@jeckyfreaky Dude haha "ram sensitive" yes you said it - take one game on the video and if you see on different overclocks different results then your "sensitive ram" shows you that on the highest one results are bad so I am not missing anything.
The "dude" has a name. Also, this is not a frequency scaling video, this id a video comparing several ram kits as they are sold, with the most common timings, that's all
pretty SMALL difference actually. heck, i've just tried my i3-12100 with XMP 3200.16 disabled, ram run at 2400 mhz, and i've noticed ZERO diff in fps.. LOL. keep overpaying for your b-dies and e-dies dudes lmfao
If you tested properly i guarantee you would have less fps, 100% sure. Your GPU is just too slow to force your CPU and ram kit to that point. That's how it works, or, your playing just at 60 or 75 fps
I have bin telling people for years that intel benefits just as much from fast memory and time after time thge sheep response was BUT NOT AS MUCH AS AMD....makes me want to smash heads in but thats not legal so i throw facts at deaf and blind fanboys instead. I run a 9900K with 4000 cl16 and my scores beat all scores out there with the sme cpu and other setups. Was the 3733 on gear 2 by any chance ? That could explain the problem with the lower 1% lows and bad performance overal.
@@AncientGameplays very strange stuff. Its a shame you are not at the point where you ahve tons of gear to test as testing more ram sets to see if it is a ram set issue would have bin interesting. May be one of the sub timings that causes issues or maby voltage. ram settings can do weird things and most of it is incredibly complicated. I had to increase voltage on my ram for xmp to even work.
As always hope you enjoy this video, since a lot of work and effort has been put on making it :D
Was this tested in Windows 11 or 10?
Would it make a difference, is the scheduler affected by ram speed?
@@hrayz scheduler is simply how windows works and distributes the work for the cores. It would hardly be different from windows 10 (as tested before)
Fabio!!! Thats what i wrote to you (GEAR1 vs GEAR2)! 3733 need to be slower in some games, because Gear1 is supported to 3600mhz MAX, after that frequency Gear2 activates 🥺...reason, why some games with 3733 have less FPS than with 3600 👍! For Alder Lake 3200 cl14 is the best, because some bioses (gigabyte for example) have some bug with 3600, sometimes Gear2 needed, but Gear2 is ok only for 4000+ Mhz DDR4 🤮
@@KOT-ANGRY no man, that is plain false. You can force Gear 1, and i can even reach 4000MHz at gear 1, it will just need more voltage on the IMC, and i don't like it much
EDIT: Also, Gear2 isn't okay even for 4000MHz, not worth it all
@@AncientGameplays Really? With newest bios (Giga MB) i can do only 3600mhz now with Gear1, any higher works with Gear2 only... With old Bios 3433 was MAX with Gear1 mode, but its fixed now! Im my life 3 intel cpus died (i7 4790k, i5 6500 and i7 10700k) because memory controller voltage killed them ☠️, sooooo - dont force it! Want higher frequencies - go DDR5 and be happy ❤👍
This level of technical data recording and knowledge will keep me coming back.
Thank you :D
I really appreciate your work here on the channel. This video is very relevant to me since my new PC is running the 12600k. Happy new year!
Happy new year my man!
Came here expecting every other testing videos, somehow this one has an intro lol. Liked and subscribed straight away. Nice video thank you.
Thank you for your words
Great video. When I put my i5 12600k build together, I simply went for the highest non OC RAM speed, so 3200MHz (@16-18-18-38). It's good to know I didn't really miss out on any significant performance, especially since I'm running 1440p on a 21:9 screen. The RAM is also running rock stable at 3600-18-19-19-39. Probably could try dropping it to CL17. So there's that option as well.
Thanks for watching
The i5 12600k ONLY supports DDR5 up to 4800MT and DDR4 up to 3200MT
If you run a higher Ram hz it will ruin your CPU.
@@lalotz Uhm, that's just normal overclocking, in this case of the IMC. Running at up to 3200MHz just means keeping it within the non OC specifications, going over bears the risk of any kind of overclocking.
Can I oc my 3200 MHz g skill ripjaws ram to 4000mhz as I have managed to oc it to 3600mhz ??
@@arjuntrehan48 you could try, you won't hurt your ram anyways, just don't put volts more than 1.5V ;)
Awesome Dude! I recently saw your videos and I just love how you compile them together with a short gameplay video with hardware usage and then some bar graphs. That brings it all together well. Sub for you my new favourite benchmark go to guy...
Thank you 💪💪
Best TekTuber all over RUclips !! Great THNX Bro!! you really make my day !!
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To understand why some higher RAM frequencies may not behave as expected always consider that RAM and CPU cache may have sync issues depending on memory speed ratios affecting branch prediction efficiency, and that depends on software optimization.
You can also adjust rimg ration for that. Also, that real world performance difference would be small i believe
@@AncientGameplays Yes, there are various internal component speed tweaks available on each platform, but you can only profit from a job done faster if it arrives in time to be useful. If the needed data misses the train it will have to wait for the next cycle. The impact is reduced as trains keep coming faster though.
@@MichaelSteinmeyer Good analogy
Great video. I game on a 4k tv and just bought an i5 12600k on sale. I wondered if I needed to upgrade my old 2666mhz ram along with my old i5 8400. But it looks like if I game at 4k an upgraded ddr4 kit won't do much for me. Maybe in 5 years I will finally move over to a ddr 5 platform.
Same here
FABIO!! will you be doing videos about the GPU drivers ? my drivers seem to be acting strange and radeon software got weird too... hope to see more from you. thanks!
I will when they come out. For now, you have this video to learn a bit more like I did when doing it :D
appreciate the effort for these videos!
Thanks!
Keep making this kinda videos
Great video as always, Fábio! 3733 was kinda odd though, did you tune any of the secondary timings by any chance? Not all motherboards keep them consistent, especially on non-round frequencies (3200, 3600, 4000). Also, why not go higher than 3733? 4000 is a common XMP spec and most Intel chips can handle it
Hey man, actually most alder lake CPUs cant go past 3733MHz on current bios unless tou apply lots of voltage to the IMC, which i dont like to do. Older ones will go fine though. As for subtimings, the most important ones were consistent and fixed
@@AncientGameplays Fair enough, let's wait for new BIOSes to release that hopefully fix that issue! Keep up the awesome work :D
@@VNLEASHED Thank you :D
Wondering if it is a similar problem as on Ryzen with fclk ratio switching from 1:1 to 1:2 ration after a certain ram clock speed?
@@hrayz you can simply force the 1:1 ratio or not. All my tests are done with 1:1 ratio
holy shit, thank you, i'm tired of hearing "you don't need fast ram for intel"
when you are cpu bound it helps no matter if it's intel or amd
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Um abraço, tenho mais videos que vai gostar!
My guy back at it again
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Thank you good video !👍👍
Thank your for watching!
Fabio, even though the 6500 xt isnt out yet, do you think it would be an interesting card to overclock ? Especially memory.
I think it all comes to pricing. Maybe i can get one from AMD
@@AncientGameplays I would be so much interested to see you make a review and overclock video for the 6500xt. Keep up the good work Fabio!
@@decadence6418 probably hard to do, AMD said that the clock out of the box could reach something like 2600mhz, already crazy high
I will if they send one!
3200 sweet spot, possibly overclock to 3600 :D. Thanks for the video, waiting for my 12700k to ship!
Glad you enjoy the video. There are some parts you should watch on the intro and conclusion as well :D
Here weeeee goooooo!
YEAHHHH haha
If possible can you help me please. I got all the components to build a pc except the ram. I got 12600k, msi rtx 3090 and z690-f motherboard. Which ddr4 ram should I get as I heard ddr4 is probably best considering ddr5 doesn’t offer too much better
Juat dont forget to get a ddr4 motherboard as well. Even a normal kit of ddr4 would be fine
@@AncientGameplays I just found out my motherboard only supports ddr5 so I decided on kingston fury beast rgb 16gb (2x8) 4800mt
Just wondering what’s ya thoughts on a video about having a split gpu power cable or having two separate power connectors . If there’s any difference? As we currently want the most fps of what we have now 👍
That would never bring more or less FPS, but having only one rail (even more on older PSUs) can cause instability in some cases, and in others, even break the GPU if the PSU is pretty bad
@@AncientGameplays Yeah I thought of similar situation but I watched Jaytwocentz video and he got better benchmark results :-/ so made me query worth a look :) 👍
@@Rixster_82 From owning a RX 5700 ref model using two separate connections from the Corsair CX 650M was always 100% stable even flashing the card to XT , later drivers allowed auto overclock which was 2049Mhz on gpu 100 % stable . I sold that card and got an RTX 3070 and it's using the same power supply with two separate connection and again 100% stable .
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 ah brill what I thought as I have the 750w Tx supply. Where’s best to get the cables from. I will have a look around Tx for the help …… 👍
Any clue why AMD is not releasing new GPU drivers? Are they just so stable that they don't need to upload new versions or what's going on? I know you don't work in AMD but I consider you an expert in this segment so maybe you'll know something :D
They will release new things soon as shown in their events, that is why
Interesting video. Have you done a similar video for Ryzen 5000?
I did, i think i put it in the description.
Hey, man. Do you think i can still use 2666 mhz ram with the new 13600k?
What performance loss should i expect?
Thanks in advance
You can, you'll just have a massive perf decrease compared to 3600. Cheers
@@AncientGameplays noted. Thanks, man.
@@madarasoun3018 You probably won’t even be able to notice this “massive perf decrease” unless you are looking at a FPS counter. But I’m biased I’m still rocking my 32gb 2666mhz ram lol
Great info. Have you done this for Ryzen as well as they say 3733MHz is the best for performance.
I did, check my video section. Some months ago
@@AncientGameplays Ok I will. Thank you.
Not gunna lie the intro threw me for a loop and I so thought I clicked the wrong video twice
Hahah, first time here? Haha
Yea lol I was on reddit and someone shared your link on there and I love these kind of videos.
I have 3200 DDR4 on Ryzen 5700G, should i try to OC to 3600, 3733 or 3800 ? Which one is worth it / sweetspot ?
Try it, those APU need faster ram
@@AncientGameplays I have these 4000/2000 18-22-22-42 at 1.4v
Windows booted, what tweaking and testing you recommand?
@@AndyTimeHD Watch my How to overclock RAM 2021 video. I show how to proper test RAM
@@AncientGameplays do you know if its a difference between oc a ram from 3200 to 4000 and oc from 3600 to 4000? (Same manufacterer, model just different mhz)
@@AndyTimeHD 4000 on Ryzen runs in CR 2 and that is slower than CR 1. Stay at 3600 or 3733 Max.
So should i not go for 3733/cl17? its same price as 3600/17. Cl16 seems bad in video
Maybe they fixed the issue with new update?
Go for it
Why didn't you use CL16 with the 3600 ram?
That's b die. Its more expensive
What is the name of the program you using, intresring and good video aswell 👌
Msi afterburner
U said tip for alder lake high frequency is not good. Is that include 3600mhz c16 for 13600k? Can run it smoothly or u suggest 3200 c16?
I also said 3600MHz is usually the sweet spot
U think it will be stable at 3600 without issues right?
Hey love your videos man! maybe you can do a b450 vs b550 vs x570 to check if there is diff in game performance? I am having trouble to choose a motherboard which would you choose?
I did something similar a while back. No difference. Basically features only
Hi guys, I'm planning to upgrade to the i5 12400 BUT i will upgrade the ram later on. I just need to know if anyone has had issues running 2666mhz ram on it? Any help would be really appreciated
As you can see in the video
@@AncientGameplays yeah I did watch and was surprised to see it working. Was just a bit worried maybe some systems might have issues with it but thanks 🙂
If I buy ram in frequencies at 3200mhz cl16 and I OC it at 3800mhz, would I still go to cl6 and therefore better performance? I will buy the dominator corsair 3200mhz cl16
Any 3200MHz RAM will hardly overclock to 3800MHz and even if it did, the latency would have to be incerased a lot. These low timings are mostly for samsung b-die and some micron chips
Great video, intel 12th gen seems awesome performance / price, hope to see your next video to compare the 5600x with the 12400 or the 12600k with high memory speed and timings. Competition is good for us the customers. Cheers
I already did that comparison in between 5600X and 12600K, go to my video section :D
As for the 12400, I will get one soon
oh man I was hoping these test would be with an AMD processor, have you done a vid of that?
I did of course, here: ruclips.net/video/QnqeL7rawZc/видео.html
@@AncientGameplays SIIUUU
Hey man thanks for another great video. BTW was wandering how FC6 performs for you I have problems with some random stutters esp in battlefield2042, slight micro stutters/frame timing in halo. 5900x 6900xt 2x8 3200. Not sure if my b450f gaming mobo can be part of the problem with such crap vrm.
No random stutters overall. Do you have everything setup properly?
@@AncientGameplays Thanks for responding bro , just upgraded my pc recently did not have this problem before but seems to happen in most demanding games but worse in others BF2042/FC6 I get it really bad, Halo it’s very faint stutters, CSGO seemed fine, going to test in overwatch. I did a clean install of windows changed from legacy to gpt/uefi then enabled Sam and set docp to the rams profile. Then I installed AMD drivers/chipset…etc I don’t use anti lag or any of that stuff either. Should be no bottleneck either with 6900xt/5900x/8x2 3200/850w psu/WD750nvm.2SSD/b450f gaming
@@skryze6381 you set docp profile...may be unstable. Raise the ram voltage to 1.38v
@@AncientGameplays Ok, thank you 🙏 will try tomorrow and yeah I set the default stock xmp/docp profile on for my vengeance sticks
@@AncientGameplays unfortunately did not work, however latencymon failed and said high DCP latency for ntoskrynl and received pagefaults for radeonsoftware…this stuff is way over my head now lol 😂
Thanks for the video!!! I have 2666 cl 13. I plan to buy 12400f. Do I understand correctly that I can safely use it and the performance losses will not be very significant (relatively)?
The perf will be definitely way lower in some cases, not all, but some
Great Video, exactly what i searched. i am running a i9-12900k. But i could not figure out a difference between 3200 and 3600 in your benchmark. Do you think 3600 will really perform better even wenn cpu is not in the limit?
If you're gpu limited then the difference is almost null
Would you choose 16 gb 3200 for $105 or 32gb 3600 $155? Thank you awesome video!
I would get 16gb as my next update would be to DDR5
@@AncientGameplays thank you so much!
Hello! 126k and Msi Edge z690 owner, just ordered 2 sticks of 3600 speed 2x8 ram and now I'm worried. Should I just return them?
another perfect video
Thank you 💪💪
I just switched over to an Intel i5-12600k cpu. ( coming from a Ryzen 5 3600 ). I also buy the Asus ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 mb.
About the ram... Will the T Force Xtreem cl14 3600 work fine ? or should I go with the 3200 ? Price: 150eur for 3200. 220 for 3600
You will be fine at 3600mhz
@@AncientGameplays Thnx for the respond. The 3200 has CL14-14-14-34 and the 3600 has CL14-15-15-35, which one would be best ?
Price 150eur for 3200mh - 220eur for 3600
Thanks for the video! Interesting how the intel IMC comes into play negatively (for performance) at the higher memory frequencies (for now)...it seems 3600 mhz is the favored OC ram now on both intel and AMD* (depending on setup)... and 3200 is still the best standard choice for easy 'plug and play' timings/operation. I guess if you want higher ram frequencies above 3600 go for 12600KF SKU? No IMC on those SKUs.
Tip for everyone: needless to say... make sure the exact model of your ram kit is on the QVL memory list for your motherboard at stated timings/frequencies. Especially if you go into OC territory. Otherwise you could potentially end up with worse performance ( ex. stutters) or crashes/boot loops because...well your motherboard just doesn't like those stick of ram ^^)
-not optimized or tested by motherboard manufacturer.
Thanks for watching!
Good advice, thanks fren.
Graphically changed old video advice
Ram get hest up thst why crash;
But if you put a cheap fan than 20 minus degree.
It works best for me G.Skill Trident Z NEO 2 x 16 3200 mhz CL 14-14-14-34 as without changing anything it even comes through two clicks in BIOS up to 3600+ at the same timings for more than 3600 mhz, it only wants to raise the voltage a little and calmly stands at 3733 mhz on CL 14-14-14-34 at a voltage of about 1.4
So 3200 are best overall ? For good price
In terms of price/performance yes
for 1080p gaming, is 3060 ti enough or should i go for 6800? (if i want to play on high or ultra with constant 120+ fps) ( cpu 12600kf)
The 6800 is MUCH faster than a 3060ti, just go 6800, hands down, less power draw if tweaked more vram, faster
@@AncientGameplays what about dlss and ray tracing? is 6800 good enough? (i heard that 3060 ti dlss can do as much as 6800 with better fps X) )
@@AncientGameplays also what kind of tweaks are you talking about ?
@@jacksheldon8566 you have fsr which is very close to what dlss brings now (being even better in some aspects) so I wouldn't worry. Ray tracing is the only downside, but u less the game is really heavily raytraced, even the 6800 will be fine
@@AncientGameplays what about coil whine. did you have some issue with your 6800? do you know if 6800xt has troublesome coile whine?
(and is PowerColor Red Dragon a good gpu brand? )
Hey I have a question, whenever I use my software to check temps its always different then what i get from Msi afterburner. Is my software wrong or is Afterburner wrong.
Usually msi afterburner is always right. Whst temps are we tslking about,m
@@AncientGameplays Ye i figured out that I was looking at my junc temperature and was comparing it to my gpu Temp. A bit of a mixup but figured it out ;-;
si i5 alderlake can run 3600mhz by activating xmp profile only right?
Depends on the ram, but usually yes
O i5 12600k suportou até quantos mhz no ddr4 ?
E sabe até quantos mhz o i5 13600k suporta no ddr4 ?
No site oficial fala que é só até 3200mhz mas na realidade ele está aguentando frequências mais altas de memória ram
3200MHz é a velocidade do controlador de memória, não quer dizer que não vá mais acima. Numa boa motherboard, podes chegar a 4000MHz
@@AncientGameplays Então qual o máximo de mhz que da pra usar no ddr5 e no ddr4 ?
@@tlkzrd como disse, no ddr4 talvez 4000MHz, no DDR5 não sei
I was sad at first becasue I could not overclock my dual channel 64 (32X2) gb kingston beast 3200 cl16 (KF432C16BB/32 by micron technology) even by tiny bit but thanks to this video I am very happy. There is tiny tiny difference on i5 12600k ❤
If feel like your 3733 ram overclock is in gear 2 and why it’s performing worse. Freq above 3600 is hard to do in gear 1 since 11th gen. I was able to get 3733 cl14 in gear 1 but it took a lot of tweaking to get it stable. If I just did xmp or less the mobo do an auto oc it would put 3733 into gear 2. I’m not able to do anything about 3733 in gear 1 unless I really make the latency way worse
Nope, all are using gear 1
@@AncientGameplays weird. What about command rate?
FYI 3733MHz is great on AMD ZEN 2/ZEN 3 CPUs. Intel CPUs love higher frequencies but only when they're even and not odd! So no surprise here! :)
I tried 3800MHz and even more as well, and sadly, no go. We do have newer BIOS now, so I suppose it msy be better
@@AncientGameplays Alder Lake seem very "picky" and much different compared to previous Intel architectures when it comes to RAM so maybe that's why... also W10 and W11 might manage them differently since Intel advised to use AL with W11. Anyway I can't wait for ZEN 4 to see even more competitiveness haha :P
better if u tested on amd as arnt ryzens more sensitive to ram speed and timings than intel? Also x4 foundations is a good game to see performance benefits from tighter ram and faster ram, if u ever wana test it but its a very cpu demanding game and bit incosistant with fps so maybe not.
I already tested on Ryzen 5000, 3000 and 2000 :D
@@AncientGameplays ah ok nvm then :)
amd is NOT more sensitive to ram speeds. both benefit the same from it period. the only thing AMD is is more sensitive to ram in general (will not work with many sets out there because of the in my opinion bad ram controller even if ram is within stock spec.)
I was running 2x8gb at 3600mhz and it was good. I added 2x8gb of the same exact ram and now its sluggish with load times bring significantly slower. Is xmp the reason?
Obviously not stable as 4 sticks are heavier on the cpus imc
@@AncientGameplays so are you saying to remove 2 or disable xmp?
@@Paladin-mt1hl or raise voltages
@@AncientGameplays to what?
Serviu como uma base para mim reutilizar minhas humildes 2666 no 13600KF ,VLWW
I have i7 9700k and msi z390 . What ram should I use ? 3600mhz 16 cas?
yup. go for 32gb.
Can I oc my 3200 MHz g skill ripjaws ram to 4000mhz as I have managed to oc it to 3600mhz ??
Depends on the luck and ram, aaand CPU that you have
I just bought a new motherboard with an i7-11700, I have 2666 ram with a 5600xt and was looking to see if I should upgrade. It doesn't look like I should spend the money for just a few more fps.
Not with that gou at least yesh
@@AncientGameplays what?
@@mikeDeSales943 nah bro you’re fine unless you are made of money, you won’t even be able to notice the difference unless you have a FPS counter, but I’m biased I’m still rocking my 32gb 2666mhz lol
maybe you should have checked which gear (1 or 2) was set for those speed. I heard gear1 gives the best performance.
This is obviously at gear 1. I am pretty sure i explain that in the intro
@@AncientGameplays thanks a lot, by the way how do you know if your ram has samsung b-die I was watching your other videos, and that came up and I'd liketo know what my ram has.
@@amortalbeing you have a software called taiphhon burner. I usually buy patriot viper 4400 cl19 kits since i know for sure they are b die :D
@@AncientGameplays Thanks a gazillion times. greatly appreciate it :)
Primary timings are overrated, secondaries are more important in gaming. Having tighter trfc has always given me bigger improvements than tight tcl.
True
ola fabio,eu posso colocar 2666 ddr4 dual chanel 8gb em um 12100f?(são minhas memorias atuais)
Would it be possible to simulate real multiplayer games with cpu bots or such? Ram has a high impact there afaik.
RAM usually has high impact in terms of higher FPS numbers only, so yeah :D
@@AncientGameplays I thought it might have a bigger difference because of more players, but ye it always increases high fps
@@heni63 RAM always makes difference, but the CPU is the most important factor
i have 24 gb hyperx fury stock 2666 (3333 oc) from 10400, but i bought 12100 and wanted to upgrade it to 3600 c16.... until i saw that video) TY man xD PS my 12100 with 3333 oc hyperx has 60 fps 0.1% and 1% in Far Cry 5. Thats fantastic smooth gameplay...
12th gen cpus have good ipc, but i would definitely get the 12400F as jt would last way longer than the 12100F
Hey Ancient can you please help me with this problem i have with my pc
Go on
@@AncientGameplays i built this pc and everything is set up but my windows won’t update, whenever i restart it’s says , “MEMORY MANAGEMENT” then restarts again, but when it restarts it’s says that the update still hasn’t completed. Also whenever i try to set my ram to 3200 which is what i paid for , my bios screen freezes, and i have to restart my board completely. Is there any way you can help me through like a zoom or skype call or something, ive tried just about everything on youtube.
So guys u think 3600 c16 will be better than 3200 c16 for i5 13600k? Does it worth 29 euro more?
30 euros? I would go for it
Yeah, both kits are gskill trident Z neo
3200 c16-18-18-38 is gtzn and 3600 c16-19-19-39 is gtznc
My mobo is z790 tomahawk and memory spec jedec and por 3200 everything more needs O.C
Intel “sweet spot” isnt 3200? If its 3600 ofc id go for it if there is not any problem with my cpu and mobo
To be honest I really wish you did this with uniform timings
Then it would be a frequency scaling video, which in the resl world wouldn't make much sense
@@AncientGameplays It makes great sense tho. You are supposed to be comparing RAM frequency but the different timings are also a factor affecting results in this test. Just like frequency, timings also affect results so it salts these results unnecessarily.
@@TacticalPower88 not actually since these are the most common ram frequencies and moat people wont even tweak past the xmp. Thats the point
Sponser is necessary 😁✌🏻
It helped getting this CPU snd mobo hrhe
@@AncientGameplays 😉
But the I5 12600k can only take 3200MHz no ? otherwise great video 👌
No...as you can see in this video. 3200MHz is the native memory controller frequency. Doesn't mean it cant go higher
win 10 or 11?
Win 11
That is NOT correct. Most people will have a normal ram like 3200 or 3600 with a worse timing, there will be huge improvement if they overclock it.
The timings i used are the most common ones, against facts there are no arguments
I have 3200Mhz RGB ram and 3600mhz non RGB ram, watched this to see if I can RGBify my system without loosing to much performance... I play in 4k and am stuck in the GPU limit anyways so I guess I can try.
You'll be fine
I use 4 sticks the same ram with 12700k at 3600MHz CL14, work fine.
Of course, 3600MHz is usually stable
Bro tell me that I'm right...
You won't never ever need more than 4-6 cores to push the upcoming God of War about 60 FPS in ultra settings at 4k!
Why the hell are they writing you would need at least i9 9900k or a Ryzen 9 3950x to run GOW at ultra 4k 60fps? 🤣🤦🏻♂️
I'm too fkn sure I can smash this like nothing with my 5600x & RX 6900 XT LC. I'm excited how it will run!
Those are the recommended specs, doesn't mean other hardware doesn't do it. We all know those specs are most of times far from reality
@@AncientGameplays thank you! That's what I expected 😁
Buguei agora, esse canal é gringo ou não ?
Viva, sou português
interessante que o uso da placa aumenta conforme a memória é mais rapida, que curioso hehe
Na verdade é bem simples. Sendo que que o conjunto de CPU/MEM consegue entregar mais fps numa situação de gargalo, a GPU também trabalha mais
@@AncientGameplays faz sentido. Percebi isso só agora. Que interessante é o mundo do hardware, sempre aprendo algo novo.
so 2666mhz is still relevant?
It is shown in the video :D
If you are getting lower benchresults on higher clocks then your OC is unstable...
Maybe, maybe not. Subtimings get bigger with higher frequencies and some games are more sensitive to them than frequency
@@AncientGameplays Subtimings?? you mean 3733MHz CL-16-16-16-36 is slower than 3600Mhz CL-17-19-19-39... hah.. just accept the tip ;) Great stuff btw! Keep up! Edit: also at least that proves you are giving us a real benchmark numbers that's also great!
you missed that he test on variety of game, some game that ram sensitive got fps boost and some other game that didn't got lower benchmark which mean ram speed didn't really matter for that game, atleast that my point of view. idk what differs from gaming nowadays and back in the days, but as I see a lot of benchmark video, the performance difference between non clocked ram ddr4 (2666) and the xmp one, even the ddr5 is so subtle when playing at 4k resolution
No, those are timings, I meant subtimings haha@@ramco951
@@jeckyfreaky Dude haha "ram sensitive" yes you said it - take one game on the video and if you see on different overclocks different results then your "sensitive ram" shows you that on the highest one results are bad so I am not missing anything.
Almost 10+ fps between each one tho 🤔 especially between 2666 vs 3200
Yeap
Seen a huge difference moving from 2666mhz to 3400mhz cl16 on my Z490 10400f (yes I know non k sku blah blah)
Of course you noticed :D
In weaker cpus it makes even mlre difference
@@AncientGameplays 100%
@@cheeky50862 you noticed an extra 5-13 FPS???
@@e.e.lawson6153 I would say definitely smoother for sure.
The Intel chips really love faster ram
ddr4 with 3200 mhz is good for the 12600K? :c
Watch the video
@@AncientGameplays my english is really bad ...
the dude will not understand with such timings the difference will not be visible
The "dude" has a name. Also, this is not a frequency scaling video, this id a video comparing several ram kits as they are sold, with the most common timings, that's all
pretty SMALL difference actually. heck, i've just tried my i3-12100 with XMP 3200.16 disabled, ram run at 2400 mhz, and i've noticed ZERO diff in fps.. LOL. keep overpaying for your b-dies and e-dies dudes lmfao
If you tested properly i guarantee you would have less fps, 100% sure. Your GPU is just too slow to force your CPU and ram kit to that point. That's how it works, or, your playing just at 60 or 75 fps
@@AncientGameplays exactly, RX6600 isn’t 3080😂
@@AncientGameplays UPD: as i play at 4K with my 3070Ti, there is no difference at this res so no point to overspend on RAM either.
you know most people dont have Ram set at correct speed anyway
What do you mean, some people don't even activate XMP?
i can easily see less stutters with 3600 and 4000 going from 3200 people obviously cant see good
Should run this test with e-cores disabled
E.cores get disabled automatically for gaming with newer BIOS versions
OK so I can keep my ddr4 2666 CL15 RIPJAW (Gskill) for many years.
Just if you want lower performance. Lower end cpus will suffer even more
@@AncientGameplays I don't get it, your video just show there is not a lot of difference?
@@AncientGameplays all is needed is 144 fps in every games
@@terminator9099 You won’t notice the difference brother, spend your money on better things
Not worth ram premium
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That intro confused the shit outta me
What can I say? Welcome to my channel :D
@@AncientGameplays xDDDDD
Problema aí nem é a memória e sim a placa de vídeo testa com a placa da nvidia 3060 Ti.
Voce deve estar a brincar, está a implicar que a 3060TI é mais rápida?
My vega 64 is running ddr3 1333mhz
daaaammnnn son
Play CSGO and not be insulted is not not a good day.
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Hello. I will want to buy new pc. Now I have 1070. 10400 or 12100. Thank you very much
None, get the 12400F if you can
I have bin telling people for years that intel benefits just as much from fast memory and time after time thge sheep response was BUT NOT AS MUCH AS AMD....makes me want to smash heads in but thats not legal so i throw facts at deaf and blind fanboys instead. I run a 9900K with 4000 cl16 and my scores beat all scores out there with the sme cpu and other setups.
Was the 3733 on gear 2 by any chance ? That could explain the problem with the lower 1% lows and bad performance overal.
Nope, both gear 1
@@AncientGameplays very strange stuff. Its a shame you are not at the point where you ahve tons of gear to test as testing more ram sets to see if it is a ram set issue would have bin interesting. May be one of the sub timings that causes issues or maby voltage. ram settings can do weird things and most of it is incredibly complicated. I had to increase voltage on my ram for xmp to even work.
@@pino_de_vogel the thing is everything was stable. I think the imc just doesnt want ro cooperate lol
Im first here bro..
Thank my man :D
@@AncientGameplays I gotta say.. after watching the video i really really got insulted by higher fps.. 😭😭😜
@@Mr.Thanos_ hahaha
2400 best
😂😂😂
3200 rocks and 3733 sucks
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