What I learned from this video: -If you play at high resolutions, ram is (almost) irrelevant. -For casual gaming, ram is almost irrelevant. -You only gain a few FPS from "better ram" unless you learn how to overclock your memory and adjust the timings manually. -In terms of performance for your money, you can safely cheap out on ram as long as you get a decent kit and enable XMP. Thanks for this video. I know getting crazy fast ram might help with a few games, but for me, I'm just happy to play 1440p at 60-120fps. Fast RAM just isn't going to be worth it for me, especially since I don't have any idea how to OC memory. I'd rather spend the money on other parts.
It took me two weeks to tweak my RAM by hand, the first time. That was while running benchmarks every step. I hit only half the amount of points this video did, and I didn't have to take footage or make a video afterward. Respect.
Bro why does it gotta be so time consuming. Shiiiit. I got 3600mhz cl14 ram and i need to oc because cpu late starts in skyrim vr but i dont wanna clear cmos and have to enter all my settings again. I dont want to corrupt my os and have to reinstall. I dont want to spend two weeks dialing in a ram oc when i already spent two weeks with the cpu. Idk its probably quicker than i think once i get the hang of it. But those damn secondary and tertiary timings are intimidating
Fortunately I have a 3200mhz CL 16 RAM with a vega 56, I don't think it's necessary for me to improve RAM. Also, Argentina is not the best place to buy tech right now. With the price of 2x16 3200CL16 here in Argentina, you can buy (in USA or Europe maybye) 4x16 3733... INSANE Great job Fabio, keep it going bro!!
i've been choosing between a lower frequency but higher latency RAM vs an opposite RAM. turns out frequency still plays a bigger part in terms of performance so finding this video gave me the perfect answer. thanks for this!
thanks man for this extensive RAM testing, cant wait to see you do some testing with Zen 3 :) I am considering that Patriot kit, yes it's more expensive that more reasonable priced kits, but still it doesn't seem too bad imo
He fabio, This is one of the best comparisons about memory speeds en timings I found so far. Subtimings can do a lot for the frametimes and so 'smooth' experience. Can you one day make a video about tweaking subtimings and what they do? Maybe also DDR 4 vs DDR5 when tweaked. Keep up the great work en i wish you a happy and healthy 2022
Hey man, explaining timings and sub timings would take a lot and I don't have the full knowledge to do that (at least one by one). Also, many people wouldn't even care... Thanks for watching!
Me: "PC's are like muscle cars, need to fine tune everything to get the best results in the latest titles" Also me: *plays Castlevania 1 on the computer* But the truth is, videos like this, is how I gained roughly over 25 fps increase on titles such as Division 2. Some folks just don't understand how important it is, to check under the hood to make sure everything is set to the speed that gets the best performance. Ram is that area that tends to get neglected.
I am currently using Ryzen 7 2700@4.0GHz paired with 3200MHz C-die kit, but in order to keep my system from crashing I must loosen timings at 3200Mhz or lower the speed to 3133MHz and keep the XMS profile timings. I don't really need even this much power though, so I'm happy today! I think I am going to wait until around Black Friday, and then just get a 3900X and 32GB of B-die RAM with an RDNA2 card, and build a secondary system with my old 2700/32GB C-die and RX 5700. My current secondary system (dedicated streaming PC), which is an FX-6300@4.8GHz/12GB 1833/RX 570 8GB setup, will then go to my nephew as his first Fortnite/Minecraft rig! =) It's time to replace that thing anyway, had to bump it up to 4.8GHz as it was seeing 90%+ usage at 4.6 when streaming in OBS using NDI!
You are f****** funny man! I'm here making some Cuban espresso coffee at 6:30 in the morning laughing my ass off with your intro. That's one funny dog dude! Love your videos they've helped me a lot. Keep up the good work! And I love it when you say I hate this f****** language
Really nice comparison.👍 Love your videos and thanks for the hard work you put in there. Your channel would deserve much more subscribers. Hope you reach 100k soon.❤
this video helped a lot. as i thought, my ram is kinda bottlenecking my r5 3600, but spending more money for a bit of FPS gain is just not my priority right now. especially helped with ac odyssey test since that game is giving me low gpu usage and i thought getting better ram would fix it. apparently not.
RAM would never bottleneck your r5 3600 but better RAM will boost its performance (take note in 1080p). First you want to stay at 1080p resolution. Second if you have 2133/2400/266Mhz its not the end of the world you can manually OC those @ 3200Mhz if they are better binned then they can go higher up to 3600Mhz if lucky may reach 3733Mhz. But if you have 3800Mhz/4000Mhz+ RAM then overclocking it to 3733Mhz even 3800/3866Mhz if your IMC is golden. Third 99% of RAM XMP profile only set Frequency to higher & Slightly loosen Primary Timings but worst of all their secondary timings are all set to AUTO, to fully utilize RAM you want to tighten primary & manually tune secondaries. Fourth if you have time go as tight as possible while remaining stable and try GDM -1T. This will help CPU performance at 1080p which mean, yes it will help to lessen GPU bottleneck since now your CPU get benefits from your finely tuned RAM... but again benefits will be mostly obvious with Samsung B-die Kit the better binned it is Higher Stock Frequency while lower Primary timing is.. the more tighter it can get @ 3733/3800/3866Mhz... Plus if you have good CPU IMC that will helps a lot since even if you have a good RAM but your IMC is trash then that CPU will request more Soc Voltage as a result and will limit you at 3733Mhz.
I finally sub'd. You're an AMD wizard. Anyway i think you should test other stuff like boot times, filling up the ram to see how it handles all that , Nvme performance.
Jeez i think you saved me some Money M8. I have build my first build one month ago and put 32gb 3600mhz CL18 Sticks in there. Then learned about latency and was like "ohhh noooo". They aren't featured in your Test but seeing the comparison and because i Play in 1440p i now know an Upgrade wouldn't be worth any of the Money. So thanks a Lot and keep up the good Work :)
@@AncientGameplays true, probably gonna do that in the future. But for rn i'm set with tweaking and Stresstesting. Did both with my 5800x and RX 6700 xt (actually with your Tutorial as Help). It was fun but really time consuming. :D
This is out of topic . I tried new drivers and compared with old one . I have 5700xt sapphire pulse version 20.4.2 - the card having abnormal heating issues -Radeon Relive : Screen Recording Feature is great I can record clear video and audio at 45mbps 20.8.3 - Heating issue fixed , temp barely exceeds 70°c ( before it was around 80-90 ) -Screen recording is broken : even at 60mbps it recording distorted video and the output file size increased up to 3x
Lots of effort put into this, kudos! With 4400 CL19 2x8, wondering if you can recommend a sweet spot for 4k gaming with lower clock and CL? (Yes I know it's almost meaningless for 4k ;)
Damn Bro. This was excatly what I was looking for. I timed my memory (gskill 4000 cl19) to 3733 om cl16 with very tide subtimings om my 5800x. It took a while to get al settings wright. But omg wat is the gameplay smooth on the 240hz monitor now (lows are noticably higher and less 'stutters'). Subtiming are very underestimated for gaming. Thank you for showing what that can do to certain games. I know how much work this has must been to do. Keep up te great work.
The video was very informative and i can see you put a lot of effort in it and it pays off ,did a test on my r5 3600 with 3733 17-21-21-41 and i csgo i got average of 466.
Great video! But I wish I would know how to set those timings hahah maybe in the future you can make a video on how to overclock ram step by step? That would be nice!
Good video, I was struggling to decide what memory to pair with my Ryzen 7 2700, I'll go with 2x16gb 3200mhz CL 16, and try to tweak the timings if I feel inspired, 'cause I mostly play very old games (WoW, Runescape) or Rainbow Six Siege, which doesn't seems to care about timings. I'm in the middle of a big, big upgrade (i5 2300 -> ryzen 7 2700, 12gb ram -> 32gb ram, R7 360 -> GTX 970, monitor 760p -> 1080p), my old rig was struggling a lot, especially when multitasking.
Thanks for this video. I got some Team Group 8pac 2x8GB 3600 CL14 RAM which his great, but now I'm gaming at 4k so I now I don't need to worry about tighter timings :-)
First off. Look at that sick shirt!! Hell yeah, I can't wait to get mine! Thank you so much! Secondly, I'll be buying an "evolution of men" hoody this weekend. They look great! There was soooo much useful info in this video. It's a lot easier to compare, instead of just arguing amongst ourselves. Awesome job! I still haven't been able to get my hands on an rtx 3080 :'( I have 3 people that want to buy my aio cooled 5700xt for $400 but I cant sell it until after I get a 3080...
Great video man, can you do a future explanation about how the CPU interacts with the GPU while rendering frames at an API level ? as far as i know, there aren't any videos talking about that kind of stuff (or any good ones at least)
Excellenct work man! Have been looking for this type of benchmarks at 2k and 4k. For some reason people only benchmark RAMs at 1080p. Its really curious how in some games like FC and R6, at 2k or 4k, the 3200 cl14 was behind 3200 cl16. It really seems that at resolutions above 2k, the difference is negligible (only PUBG showed some relevant difference) and you should go for the cheapest one.
Well, resolution doesnt matter much, but the fps the card can push at that resolution do. A lower end card might get no benefit from better ram even at 1080P since you'll be gpu bottlenecked, but a fast card like a 4080 or 4090 may benefit from faster ram, even at 4K
@@AncientGameplays Well, I thought it was the other way around. Systems with higher end GPUs should not be bottlenecked by the CPU or RAM at higher resolutions (2k and above). As a result, at 4k resolution on this type of GPUs we would see almost no difference between the different RAM frequencies/latencies tested. But I think the only way to confirm would be doing the same testes with a rtx 3080/3090.
Hellow @Ancient Gameplays, i really appreciate the hard work. And just wanna know what Voltages you were using on those 3200Mhz 14-14-14-34 #PleaseAndThankYou.
Fabio, I would love to see a comparison for 2x 8gig, 4x 8gig, 2x 16 gig of ram (not sure what speed/timings you'd be able to run, but a common timing to show the differences I think would be quite an informative add on to this video. As always, top work sir
Great Vid. Gave me no choice but to subscribe :( I have a question though. In the benchmarks (especially the first few games) I noticed a pretty substantial GPU temperature difference between the two. TLDR: Does better timings= Cooler GPU Temps? (assuming same fps) AC Odyssey: ( 2666 #1 = 60 C vs 2666 #2 = 52 C) fluctuating but stays about 7 degree difference. Close to the same fps Control: (2666= 64 C vs 3200 = 55 C) which is stays about 8 degree difference. close to the same fps Yet the rest of the games are pretty close in temperature or within 2-3 degrees. Is this just a situational change? Meaning was the computer just hotter in whatever instance from doing other things just before running the benchmark? Or is this a difference that was caused by the different RAM units and their timings?? Also interesting in R6: Siege that the temp is the same between the 2666 and 3733.. but the FPS of each one was 300ish vs 370ish respectively. Whereas if the 3733 bench was frame limited to 300 FPS (70 less fps) the temps would likely be cooler while performing the same FPS as the 2666 bench. Makes me wonder if the timings of the RAM allowed the GPU to work harder by spitting out more fps therefore equalizing the temperatures. Depending on if the first two games weren't just flukes by not having the same baseline starting temp, because that just scraps this theory. When two RAM Units have the same FPS, Does better timings= Cooler GPU Temp ?? Love to hear your thoughts!!
Hey man, the temps difference is because it was recorded in different days and I have no AC. Some games seeing the same results is because we ran into a GPU bottleneck
Great video Im guessing that for VR, 90 fps (high frame requirements) and majorly sensitive to low 1% ram speed/timings is important for the best possible experience?!
Currently using a 1*8 3000mhz cl15 stick And willing to upgrade to 3200mhz cl16/14 2*8 The CPU is a ryzen 1600 running @4ghz Think it'll be worth it? Also thanks for your hard work man! Edit: main reason to upgrade is really going dual channel since i'm getting a lot of stuttering in some games like apex legends with my rx 580 I just thought i'd get 3200mhz since it's almost for the same price as 3000mhz
Price will always be a determine factor when choosing ram unless you can waste money, then finding RAM kits that are high in frequency and also low on latency is the best. Two kits that I've found are both Quad Channel 64 and 32GB kits difference being price between 430€ and 350€ Both are same frequency but the 32GB has C14 latency versus C16 Latency. Now it's just up to you, do you need more than 32 gigs of RAM? if yes then the the latency of 16 and 3600MHz with price tag 430€ of 64GB kit will justify the everything while if you won't use as much as or go through 32Gigs then perhaps going lower on latency might be better, since it will be a bit faster and more quality bind chips. but then again, value for the money lies in 64gig kit. Same Freq vs lower latency for about 10-12% might not be worth not spending additional 70€ for literally double the capacity. 21:15 so the difference here is very small in performance but huge in price. it would be different however if one of the kits had higher frequency from the other for example 3200 - C16 vs 3600 - C14. This is where you would already start to see bigger difference
@@AncientGameplays haha I just don't understand what's not to like about the video very good information and must have took you agessssssss to make, and thank you for taking the time to make it 🙂
The most important thing, which I didn't hear in the video is that you will almost always get an FPS boost in games until you are GPU bottlenecked. You can see this in examples, where the lower the GPU "busy" percantage with slow RAM, the bigger advantage you will get from faster RAM. This explains a tendency of big boost at 1080p and lot smaller at 1440p, whereas almost none at 4K, because you become a lot more GPU bound with higher screen resolution. Still this is a really decent video deserving your like\, just wanted to add this for your notice. As an example you can check more powerful GPU (like 2080TI or 3080) with R5 3600 and will see even bigger differences.
I do talk a lot about fps meta and i test several resolutions to show how in lower fps numbers (in most games, it wont affect the perdormance that much)
@@AncientGameplays Yeah, that makes sense) Just wanted to emphasize the overall idea for anyone going to comments, who didn't get it from video alone. P. S. Never thought I would get an answer from you)
I Needed this! I am building a new PC and was debating if it was worth it to spend an extra $30-40 just to get the CL 16 G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) vs the CL18 one. I had to wade through a few videos that couldn't really answer the question directly! Obviously I will be playing a 4K whenever possible with a new build and this video was on point. No need to spend extra! Thanks!
Hope you guys enjoy this video while learning more about the differences in terms of frequencies and latencies. Thanks a lot for watching mates :D
This video was spot on mate and the memes were some funny shit 😂👍
Awesome vid! Can you also consider making a video about overclocking RAM (adjusting the speed + timings)?
You are best Good work Bro
1800 vs 1733 qual o melhor? sei que já usaste 1800, pelo que vi nos outros videos. é melhor 1733?
Pls send me all timings "3733 CL16-15-14-29 (with Improved subtimings)". And by the way 3733MHz CL14-16-14-14-28-42 298T 1T work better?
What I learned from this video:
-If you play at high resolutions, ram is (almost) irrelevant.
-For casual gaming, ram is almost irrelevant.
-You only gain a few FPS from "better ram" unless you learn how to overclock your memory and adjust the timings manually.
-In terms of performance for your money, you can safely cheap out on ram as long as you get a decent kit and enable XMP.
Thanks for this video. I know getting crazy fast ram might help with a few games, but for me, I'm just happy to play 1440p at 60-120fps. Fast RAM just isn't going to be worth it for me, especially since I don't have any idea how to OC memory. I'd rather spend the money on other parts.
it's more so important for 1% and 0.1% lows rather than a small boost in average fps
i couldn’t imagine how long this video took
Really, tons of time haha
Well done!
I have same opinion
It took me two weeks to tweak my RAM by hand, the first time. That was while running benchmarks every step. I hit only half the amount of points this video did, and I didn't have to take footage or make a video afterward.
Respect.
Bro why does it gotta be so time consuming. Shiiiit. I got 3600mhz cl14 ram and i need to oc because cpu late starts in skyrim vr but i dont wanna clear cmos and have to enter all my settings again. I dont want to corrupt my os and have to reinstall. I dont want to spend two weeks dialing in a ram oc when i already spent two weeks with the cpu.
Idk its probably quicker than i think once i get the hang of it. But those damn secondary and tertiary timings are intimidating
Já te acompanho há alguns meses e vejo muito esforço posto nos vídeos. Este canal sem dúvida que tem algo a dar e espero sinceramente ver-te crescer!
Obrigado pelas palavras! Um abraço!
Fortunately I have a 3200mhz CL 16 RAM with a vega 56, I don't think it's necessary for me to improve RAM.
Also, Argentina is not the best place to buy tech right now. With the price of 2x16 3200CL16 here in Argentina, you can buy (in USA or Europe maybye) 4x16 3733... INSANE
Great job Fabio, keep it going bro!!
Thanks man :D
2x8GB DDR4-3600 CL16 here in Canada is $94 CAD
i've been choosing between a lower frequency but higher latency RAM vs an opposite RAM. turns out frequency still plays a bigger part in terms of performance so finding this video gave me the perfect answer. thanks for this!
You're welcome :D
Love the comparisons! Great work!
Thanks man, and thanks for the donation.
@@AncientGameplays No problem!
I hit like cuz effort was overwhelming
Thanks
Very freaking detailed mate. I did not know it could affect your hardware performance. Noice. 👌
Thanks for watching
thanks man for this extensive RAM testing, cant wait to see you do some testing with Zen 3 :)
I am considering that Patriot kit, yes it's more expensive that more reasonable priced kits, but still it doesn't seem too bad imo
IMO it is great for what it cost
That was very enlightening. Thank you for the hard work!
the intro with the dog so funny :)
Thanks, he is funny haha. Called REX
god damn how this video is not getting 1 million views, this is really good, original content, pls not stop making videos!
I wont haha, thanks!
He fabio, This is one of the best comparisons about memory speeds en timings I found so far. Subtimings can do a lot for the frametimes and so 'smooth' experience. Can you one day make a video about tweaking subtimings and what they do? Maybe also DDR 4 vs DDR5 when tweaked. Keep up the great work en i wish you a happy and healthy 2022
Hey man, explaining timings and sub timings would take a lot and I don't have the full knowledge to do that (at least one by one). Also, many people wouldn't even care...
Thanks for watching!
What a mad lad creating a unbelievable video. We are in your debt.
Thanks man!
Great Video !! THNX
Me: "PC's are like muscle cars, need to fine tune everything to get the best results in the latest titles"
Also me: *plays Castlevania 1 on the computer*
But the truth is, videos like this, is how I gained roughly over 25 fps increase on titles such as Division 2. Some folks just don't understand how important it is, to check under the hood to make sure everything is set to the speed that gets the best performance. Ram is that area that tends to get neglected.
Thanks for watching
Haha 25 fps increase from adjusting something with your RAM? Cool story but it probably never happened.
@@Daurentius322 that is shown in this video mate
Incredible job! Thanks so much for the hard work, really appreciated.
Thank you for watching!
While this is the only topic I was searching info for, you still earned my sub for the tremendous effort it must have took.
Thanks for the words!
RUclips didn’t notify me but okay. I clicked your channel and it was already up, I saw your community post about it though. Thanks so much
Thanks, and damn youtube
I am currently using Ryzen 7 2700@4.0GHz paired with 3200MHz C-die kit, but in order to keep my system from crashing I must loosen timings at 3200Mhz or lower the speed to 3133MHz and keep the XMS profile timings. I don't really need even this much power though, so I'm happy today!
I think I am going to wait until around Black Friday, and then just get a 3900X and 32GB of B-die RAM with an RDNA2 card, and build a secondary system with my old 2700/32GB C-die and RX 5700.
My current secondary system (dedicated streaming PC), which is an FX-6300@4.8GHz/12GB 1833/RX 570 8GB setup, will then go to my nephew as his first Fortnite/Minecraft rig! =)
It's time to replace that thing anyway, had to bump it up to 4.8GHz as it was seeing 90%+ usage at 4.6 when streaming in OBS using NDI!
Great, but i would still get 4th gen if i was you :D
You should be proud. This is the best presentation I have come across ever.
Well done.
Thank you for the words :D
Thanks alot. That was a really good presentation of much well gathered data
Thank you, I may have some other videos of your taste
@@AncientGameplays thanks you do!
You are f****** funny man! I'm here making some Cuban espresso coffee at 6:30 in the morning laughing my ass off with your intro. That's one funny dog dude! Love your videos they've helped me a lot. Keep up the good work! And I love it when you say I hate this f****** language
haha, thanks man! Cheers
Heavy task but very great job man!!!
I lost my attention with dancing pictures. xD
Hahah, braziiiiillllllll
Really nice comparison.👍
Love your videos and thanks for the hard work you put in there.
Your channel would deserve much more subscribers. Hope you reach 100k soon.❤
Thanks a lot man :D
This is a very good channel, very thorough and good clarification of value for money at the end.
Thanks :D
this video helped a lot. as i thought, my ram is kinda bottlenecking my r5 3600, but spending more money for a bit of FPS gain is just not my priority right now. especially helped with ac odyssey test since that game is giving me low gpu usage and i thought getting better ram would fix it. apparently not.
Just tweak the ram instead
RAM would never bottleneck your r5 3600 but better RAM will boost its performance (take note in 1080p).
First you want to stay at 1080p resolution.
Second if you have 2133/2400/266Mhz its not the end of the world you can manually OC those @ 3200Mhz if they are better binned then they can go higher up to 3600Mhz if lucky may reach 3733Mhz.
But if you have 3800Mhz/4000Mhz+ RAM then overclocking it to 3733Mhz even 3800/3866Mhz if your IMC is golden.
Third 99% of RAM XMP profile only set Frequency to higher & Slightly loosen Primary Timings but worst of all their secondary timings are all set to AUTO, to fully utilize RAM you want to tighten primary & manually tune secondaries.
Fourth if you have time go as tight as possible while remaining stable and try GDM -1T.
This will help CPU performance at 1080p which mean, yes it will help to lessen GPU bottleneck since now your CPU get benefits from your finely tuned RAM... but again benefits will be mostly obvious with Samsung B-die Kit the better binned it is Higher Stock Frequency while lower Primary timing is.. the more tighter it can get @ 3733/3800/3866Mhz... Plus if you have good CPU IMC that will helps a lot since even if you have a good RAM but your IMC is trash then that CPU will request more Soc Voltage as a result and will limit you at 3733Mhz.
I finally sub'd. You're an AMD wizard. Anyway i think you should test other stuff like boot times, filling up the ram to see how it handles all that , Nvme performance.
tu video vale oro, literal acabas de quitarme un gran dolor de cabeza, muchas gracias amigo en verdad me has salvado la vida 👍👌
Um grande abraço :D
Jeez i think you saved me some Money M8. I have build my first build one month ago and put 32gb 3600mhz CL18 Sticks in there. Then learned about latency and was like "ohhh noooo". They aren't featured in your Test but seeing the comparison and because i Play in 1440p i now know an Upgrade wouldn't be worth any of the Money. So thanks a Lot and keep up the good Work :)
Yeah man, you are completely fine, AND; you can always tweak you ram :D
@@AncientGameplays true, probably gonna do that in the future. But for rn i'm set with tweaking and Stresstesting. Did both with my 5800x and RX 6700 xt (actually with your Tutorial as Help). It was fun but really time consuming. :D
thanks for your videos! I'm french but I can understand you without subtitles because you don't speak too fast, thanks for that
Thank you
This is out of topic . I tried new drivers and compared with old one . I have 5700xt sapphire pulse version
20.4.2
- the card having abnormal heating issues
-Radeon Relive : Screen Recording Feature is great I can record clear video and audio at 45mbps
20.8.3
- Heating issue fixed , temp barely exceeds 70°c ( before it was around 80-90 )
-Screen recording is broken : even at 60mbps it recording distorted video and the output file size increased up to 3x
Yeahh...try 20.9.1 or 20.9.2
Great video! Some serious work was put into this video!!!
Indeed
Nice video man!
Thank you
Great video, thanks so much!
Managed to snag a 4400MHz CL18 kit for a really decent price recently. It's currently running at 3600MHz CL14 🤯
That's nice. Check stability with testmem5 :D
Pro comparisons! Great video/ work!
Thanks!
Lots of effort put into this, kudos! With 4400 CL19 2x8, wondering if you can recommend a sweet spot for 4k gaming with lower clock and CL? (Yes I know it's almost meaningless for 4k ;)
Lower fps = lower cou/ram work = less ram impact. Overall, its all aboht the fps :D
Sorry I meant is it better to have lower memory frequency and latency or stay at 4400/CL19 and try to tighten timings?
Sei una bella persona. Grazie dei benchmark, sono estremamente utili.
Grazie
Damn Bro. This was excatly what I was looking for. I timed my memory (gskill 4000 cl19) to 3733 om cl16 with very tide subtimings om my 5800x. It took a while to get al settings wright. But omg wat is the gameplay smooth on the 240hz monitor now (lows are noticably higher and less 'stutters'). Subtiming are very underestimated for gaming. Thank you for showing what that can do to certain games. I know how much work this has must been to do. Keep up te great work.
Glad you enjoyed the video
Just wanna say thank you for convincing not to bother touching my memory timings and just letting XMP do it’s thing.
You're welcome :D
Thanks for all the hard work.
Thanks for watching
Awesome video!
Thanks!
The video was very informative and i can see you put a lot of effort in it and it pays off ,did a test on my r5 3600 with 3733 17-21-21-41 and i csgo i got average of 466.
That means nothing without a Before to compare it to
Nice intro and very useful video :D
Thanks :D
Very Good Job!!
Thanks!
Good Video
thanks :D
When are u going to post a video about Amd Adrenaline 20.9.2?
When i test them. Things take time
@@AncientGameplays só esperando tua analise pra ver se eu atualizo :D ! salve do povo aqui de Brasília - DF ! tmj
@@luancavera amanhã
Nice work man
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best possible explanation ever of ram. this guy is genius
Great video! But I wish I would know how to set those timings hahah maybe in the future you can make a video on how to overclock ram step by step? That would be nice!
Hardware Numb3rs has a great tutorial for Ryzen!
ruclips.net/video/WDgY83oQPNs/видео.html
link below for example
I didnt thought RAM latency would make such a difference, I mean Jesus...
Yeap, it matters obviously 💪💪
Good video, I was struggling to decide what memory to pair with my Ryzen 7 2700, I'll go with 2x16gb 3200mhz CL 16, and try to tweak the timings if I feel inspired, 'cause I mostly play very old games (WoW, Runescape) or Rainbow Six Siege, which doesn't seems to care about timings. I'm in the middle of a big, big upgrade (i5 2300 -> ryzen 7 2700, 12gb ram -> 32gb ram, R7 360 -> GTX 970, monitor 760p -> 1080p), my old rig was struggling a lot, especially when multitasking.
Well, 3200 cl16 will be fine, mostly with that GPU
Thanks for the video :)
Thanks for watching :D
Thanks for this video. I got some Team Group 8pac 2x8GB 3600 CL14 RAM which his great, but now I'm gaming at 4k so I now I don't need to worry about tighter timings :-)
glad you enjoyed it
tldr: If you're gpu bound, timing it is.
Very informational video...you got a new sub
Thanks :D
I have way more videos that i am sure you'll like :D
Hahaha nice intro dude :)))
Thanks man :D
I know food is poison because weird dog ate it and died.
can i get a link of that intro clip with the dog ?
First off. Look at that sick shirt!! Hell yeah, I can't wait to get mine! Thank you so much!
Secondly, I'll be buying an "evolution of men" hoody this weekend. They look great!
There was soooo much useful info in this video. It's a lot easier to compare, instead of just arguing amongst ourselves. Awesome job!
I still haven't been able to get my hands on an rtx 3080 :'( I have 3 people that want to buy my aio cooled 5700xt for $400 but I cant sell it until after I get a 3080...
Thanks for the support man, glad you actually talked about it, cuz i did not send the shirt yet. But i am going to do it now:D
Thanks for the upload bro, this is very informative. Do you have any plans to do a video benchmarking the RX 580 against the 5500 XT?
Yeap, those will come next :D
@Kizarat can you help me with oc ?
Great video man, can you do a future explanation about how the CPU interacts with the GPU while rendering frames at an API level ? as far as i know, there aren't any videos talking about that kind of stuff (or any good ones at least)
i think i can later do something like that
chase from brazil, love channel
I cannot imagine all the time it needs... Thanks !
Thanks for watching and commenting
Wow your IS settings made a huge difference! Amazing!
Excellenct work man! Have been looking for this type of benchmarks at 2k and 4k. For some reason people only benchmark RAMs at 1080p.
Its really curious how in some games like FC and R6, at 2k or 4k, the 3200 cl14 was behind 3200 cl16. It really seems that at resolutions above 2k, the difference is negligible (only PUBG showed some relevant difference) and you should go for the cheapest one.
Well, resolution doesnt matter much, but the fps the card can push at that resolution do. A lower end card might get no benefit from better ram even at 1080P since you'll be gpu bottlenecked, but a fast card like a 4080 or 4090 may benefit from faster ram, even at 4K
@@AncientGameplays Well, I thought it was the other way around. Systems with higher end GPUs should not be bottlenecked by the CPU or RAM at higher resolutions (2k and above). As a result, at 4k resolution on this type of GPUs we would see almost no difference between the different RAM frequencies/latencies tested. But I think the only way to confirm would be doing the same testes with a rtx 3080/3090.
I’m trying to decide if I should upgrade my ram for 4k gaming on a 3090ti. With your experience, do you think it would make any difference?
I just dont understand why u dont have more than 1 millions subs !
Thanks for the words!
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there is a sponsor lets goooooooooooo ps: i was late on the premiere so im rewatching. ok now back to the video
yeah man, i saw you arriving in the end. Thanks :D
Yup you earned that like, Dude did work, it's only fair people.
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Amazing ❤thanks a lot 🤑
thx you!
Like and comment for your hard work. Lovely and informative video!
Ty
Hellow @Ancient Gameplays, i really appreciate the hard work. And just wanna know what Voltages you were using on those 3200Mhz 14-14-14-34 #PleaseAndThankYou.
These prices in the USA are nothing, here in Brazil is the price of all the salary of one person in a month. :(
Sad indeed
Fabio, I would love to see a comparison for 2x 8gig, 4x 8gig, 2x 16 gig of ram (not sure what speed/timings you'd be able to run, but a common timing to show the differences I think would be quite an informative add on to this video.
As always, top work sir
Well, the max i can and will do is 8Gb vs 16Gb vs 32Gb (i have one 1x16 vs 2x8 vs 4x4)
That's ok man, keep doing you. I think 2 x8 vs 4 x4 would be inciteful (assuming you could marry up the frequency and timings)
RUclipsrs who reply to comments are worthy of my respect.
Well, not all youtubers can answer since they don't have time for everything mate :D
Well done my friend. Thanks for you pretty job.
Thanks for the words
very very good video and very informative
Top tava precisar deste video
Ótimo
Well done!
Thanks :D
Great Vid. Gave me no choice but to subscribe :(
I have a question though. In the benchmarks (especially the first few games) I noticed a pretty substantial GPU temperature difference between the two.
TLDR: Does better timings= Cooler GPU Temps? (assuming same fps)
AC Odyssey: ( 2666 #1 = 60 C vs 2666 #2 = 52 C) fluctuating but stays about 7 degree difference. Close to the same fps
Control: (2666= 64 C vs 3200 = 55 C) which is stays about 8 degree difference. close to the same fps
Yet the rest of the games are pretty close in temperature or within 2-3 degrees.
Is this just a situational change? Meaning was the computer just hotter in whatever instance from doing other things just before running the benchmark? Or is this a difference that was caused by the different RAM units and their timings??
Also interesting in R6: Siege that the temp is the same between the 2666 and 3733.. but the FPS of each one was 300ish vs 370ish respectively. Whereas if the 3733 bench was frame limited to 300 FPS (70 less fps) the temps would likely be cooler while performing the same FPS as the 2666 bench. Makes me wonder if the timings of the RAM allowed the GPU to work harder by spitting out more fps therefore equalizing the temperatures.
Depending on if the first two games weren't just flukes by not having the same baseline starting temp, because that just scraps this theory.
When two RAM Units have the same FPS, Does better timings= Cooler GPU Temp ??
Love to hear your thoughts!!
Hey man, the temps difference is because it was recorded in different days and I have no AC. Some games seeing the same results is because we ran into a GPU bottleneck
Ótimo vídeo, obrigado pelo conteúdo!
Obrigado por ver!
Bro, huuuge thanks! Will skip cl14 3800 kit and go for 3600 cl16 for 4k
You're welcome
Great video
Im guessing that for VR, 90 fps (high frame requirements) and majorly sensitive to low 1% ram speed/timings is important for the best possible experience?!
that intro..i lolled so hard..love your channel
Thanks man :D
Currently using a 1*8 3000mhz cl15 stick
And willing to upgrade to 3200mhz cl16/14 2*8
The CPU is a ryzen 1600 running @4ghz
Think it'll be worth it?
Also thanks for your hard work man!
Edit: main reason to upgrade is really going dual channel since i'm getting a lot of stuttering in some games like apex legends with my rx 580
I just thought i'd get 3200mhz since it's almost for the same price as 3000mhz
Yes, dual channel is a must in every system
Price will always be a determine factor when choosing ram unless you can waste money, then finding RAM kits that are high in frequency and also low on latency is the best.
Two kits that I've found are both Quad Channel 64 and 32GB kits difference being price between 430€ and 350€ Both are same frequency but the 32GB has C14 latency versus C16 Latency.
Now it's just up to you, do you need more than 32 gigs of RAM? if yes then the the latency of 16 and 3600MHz with price tag 430€ of 64GB kit will justify the everything
while if you won't use as much as or go through 32Gigs then perhaps going lower on latency might be better, since it will be a bit faster and more quality bind chips. but then again, value for the money lies in 64gig kit. Same Freq vs lower latency for about 10-12% might not be worth not spending additional 70€ for literally double the capacity.
21:15 so the difference here is very small in performance but huge in price.
it would be different however if one of the kits had higher frequency from the other for example 3200 - C16 vs 3600 - C14. This is where you would already start to see bigger difference
price is always a factor in anything, but i agree :D
This is the best video about RAM I ever saw
Thanks! I have more close to this in terms of info
so realistically how drastic of a difference is there with say 4 points of latency in real time vs its frequency
You can think of that by seeing the results here
Thanks bro
Thanks Bro!
1 thing i really regretted was buying single rank rather than dual rank. Dont know why most PC reviewers never mentioned this.
Because most 8gb sticks are single rank. New ddr5 sticks will be almost all dual rank
@@AncientGameplays OK... Did not know that. Thanks.
Thank you.
Mt bom!Excelente explication!!
Obrigado for you and four all your equipe. Je besoin faire un upgrade dans mon pc!!😀👍🤙
Um abraço. Be well :D
Excelent Video
Thanks
I just wanted to say thank you. i have 3200 14-14-14 memory and used your setting for 3733, much better high framerates
what about stability
35 dislikes these are the people still using a core 2 duo
Maybe haha
@@AncientGameplays haha I just don't understand what's not to like about the video very good information and must have took you agessssssss to make, and thank you for taking the time to make it 🙂
Thank you for watching it
The most important thing, which I didn't hear in the video is that you will almost always get an FPS boost in games until you are GPU bottlenecked.
You can see this in examples, where the lower the GPU "busy" percantage with slow RAM, the bigger advantage you will get from faster RAM.
This explains a tendency of big boost at 1080p and lot smaller at 1440p, whereas almost none at 4K, because you become a lot more GPU bound with higher screen resolution.
Still this is a really decent video deserving your like\, just wanted to add this for your notice.
As an example you can check more powerful GPU (like 2080TI or 3080) with R5 3600 and will see even bigger differences.
I do talk a lot about fps meta and i test several resolutions to show how in lower fps numbers (in most games, it wont affect the perdormance that much)
As for the 2080ti people usually use ultra settings, while i used medium exactly because of that :D
@@AncientGameplays Yeah, that makes sense) Just wanted to emphasize the overall idea for anyone going to comments, who didn't get it from video alone.
P. S. Never thought I would get an answer from you)
@@nazarkirillov3796 i usually read almost all comments :D
And in most of the case the gpu is already at 99% usage.
Since the cpu and ram is pretty much tweak-able, in the next build I will max out on gpu.
Good test.
Ty
Haha this intro funny :))
Edit: Oh ha a lot of work in this video ... Thats quality man i think for this video more then 2 day of work .
Way more than that :D
I Needed this! I am building a new PC and was debating if it was worth it to spend an extra $30-40 just to get the CL 16
G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) vs the CL18 one.
I had to wade through a few videos that couldn't really answer the question directly! Obviously I will be playing a 4K whenever possible with a new build and this video was on point. No need to spend extra!
Thanks!