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Henry’s children were treated so badly as were his wives. I’m sorry for what he put them all through. I have often wondered how history would have played out had Arthur not died so young, Henry was a brute and unprepared to be king.
I feel like both Edward AND Mary were victims of their parents' propaganda. While faith is extremely important and should be respected, their parents' hard line stances on faith caused the children to be fanatical.
I think in her youth, Mary showed resilience and strength of character, but I don't think of her as a survivor. A good portion of her life was miserable, and this affected her decision making. I think the traumas consumed her in the end.
Edward was groomed by Henry to be as much of an ass as he was. Edward Seymour reinforced that. Mary was stubborn and wouldn’t compromise either. And while Mary was kept from her mother, Elizabeth’s mother was judicially murdered by Henry. She had to survive not only her father, but her brother, his “regent”, AND her sister to get to the throne. She was unceremoniously declared a bastard, was seen by haters as the embodiment of her mother and had to walk this tightrope from her preteens to her mid-twenties. I’d say Elizabeth is as much if not more of a survivor.
IT’S HERE IN THIS VID at 11:26 Remember when I thought you said Edward was a little pr!ck … now that I heard it again I’m pretty certain you said “prig” lol
Another fantastic video. It must have been exhausting being Mary. The men in her life are just angry, mardy and are just use to getting their own way. I can't even think what was going through her mind when she was in her thirties and being lectured by a teen! She did well to keep her cool to be honest.
She was amazing. She maintained her faith at unbelievable peril. The Catholic Church should Beatify her - for risking her life so many times for her faith. Just because she wasn't ultimately murdered for her faith isn't the issue. She openly chose martyrdom( that thankfully won't carried out) in a situation that truly was threatening her life. She is so brave & a great example for us all.
@@ladyagnes7781 I don't know if Catholicism has this category but in Eastern Orthodoxy there is a rank of saint know as Confessor. This is a category for saints who are not physically martyred but who persevere under severe persecute.
@@Al_Ellisande her sister, Queen Elizabeth, was just as bloody if not more so. History, written by her supporters, overlooked her persecution of Catholics.
I know. They both had terrible childhoods, albeit in different ways. I have to say, having put together these videos, I actually think Mary had it worse than Elizabeth. It doesn't excuse her later behaviour, but I do understand her better now. So many unpleasant things happened to her, I couldn't even fit them all into the videos.
@@HistoryCalling Mary had it worse than....so was her mother murdered and smeared for centuries, was she molested by her stepfather, was she thrown in the Tower by ONE and threatened with EXECUTION by BOTH her siblings, was a stepmother she adored executed before she was ten....legit, DO NOT diminish what Elizabeth suffered and survived to get that crown and KEEP it for nearly 45 years.
@@helend7542 Agreed. I wouldn't want to compare Mary and Elizabeth's experiences. What I will say is that growing up in such a toxic environment likely allowed Elizabeth, sadly, to adapt faster and better. In comparison, Mary grew up with everything only to have had it ripped away from her and be cruelly abused by the father she thought loved her.
@@elisabetta611 When Mary put Elizabeth in the Tower, it was under suspicion of plotting to overthrow Mary--treason, in other words--so Elizabeth's life was on a knife's edge, with skilled inquisitors trying to trip her up so they could put her to death. I don't believe Mary's life was ever seriously threatened, even though she was, indeed, treated badly by her father and brother. Mary's treatment of Elizabeth cannot and should not be minimized.
What I find interesting is how the childhoods of the Tudors shaped their reigns (in my opinion at least). So much might have been avoided had their parents been more attentive. Henry VIII was raised in a loving household with his mother and sisters and longed his whole life for a stable family life. He also got his determination to get sons as a teenager, since his own brother died and he was locked away by his own father, who feared he might die too. Mary was abused by her father, scarring her for life. I believe this was the basis for the path she took as queen, trying to turn back time and taking revenge on all that were in her grasp and still alive. Elizabeth deleted her mother from her memory for most of her life and famously never married and who could blame her after seeing what happened to her (step)mothers and Mary.
elizabeth never forgot her mother. she might not have talked about her, but she kept a ring locket with a tiny sculpture of anne's portrait and her own and there's a portrait of elizabeth painted over one of a woman who greatly resembles anne, which was most likely done to preserve said portrait underneath, since elizabeth would not have had herself painted on a used canvas otherwise.
Elizabeth never forgot her mother. She can't mention her mother because the parliament or the people in England hated Anne Boleyn. Associating herself with an adulterer will cost her, her head so in order to stay safe, she never publicly associate herself with her mother but she did. Remembering all of the women's pain especially the pain of childbirth, she took the path of not marrying. Elizabeth has her own trauma
I definitely agree 👍 but to add Mary could have produced sons, had Henry married her off and she could have given him heirs instead of putting England through what he did.
I’ve always been somewhat protective about Mary when discussing her with other people interested in tudor history. These videos have definitely helped me understand why :-) thank you! love your content
Yes, I've come to have a lot more sympathy for her and understanding of her too. I'm still horrified at the mass burnings she allowed to happen during her reign (I'm just writing up the script for that video at the moment), but I understand her psychology better now and how she got to that point. Thank you so much for watching. I love thinking of my videos going around to the world, including to places I've never even been (which sadly includes the beautiful Canada at the moment, but hopefully I'll get to visit someday).
@@HistoryCalling Yes of course! I don’t agree with the horrendous burnings. I think I just really empathize with have unstable parents and step parents as a young girl. I don’t excuse her actions at all, though!! You should definitely come visit Canada, The city I live in here in Alberta is sort of boring, but theres lots of other fun places to visit here :> Banff is like super famous :D
I have felt this way for a long time. In 5th grade we had to do an “Autobiography project.” Where we pretended to be a medieval historical figure. And I found the girl in my class who picked Mary before I could and made her trade with me for Joan of Arc lmao.
@@HistoryCalling Canada is wonderful! I live in Minnesota, USA, and my family have been up to Kenora, ON (where my dad's from), Winnipeg, MB (where more family live), Montreal (for a few days), and Old Quebec City, QC (for a family reunion). One day I hope to go to Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto, and back to Old Quebec City.
I love the extra details and delivery of your documentaries. Thank you. Well put together. I feel soi sorry for Mary. What a stressful rollercoaster of fortunes in her life.
Thank you, it's lovely to know the work I put in is appreciated. Yes, Mary had a very tough time of it. Worse than Elizabeth I think, who often gets all the sympathy because Mary put her in the Tower for a couple of months (not that that wasn't awful, but it wasn't the kind of prolonged mental torment that Mary endured for years and years).
Always found it strange that she and Elizabeth are buried in the same tiny tomb, can’t imagine either of them would be too happy about it! Seems very sad too that Elizabeth was perhaps the best monarch this country had, she deserved a way better monument not a tiny little shared side room,
I think Elizabeth actually had something to do with this and it was puzzling to me that she would choose to spend eternity with the sister that was her primary rival and one whom she neither trusted nor liked. Quite Freudian if you ask me, From the virgin queen who never got married
@@pbohearn James VI and I was responsible for putting Mary and Elizabeth together. Elizabeth had nothing to do with it. The two sisters would have hated it.
I do a lot of crochet and diamond painting and love listening to these videos. Love hearing about the Tudors and about the Stuart's (who it is rumored we are connected to in my family. And as Canada spent most of the last 18 months in lick down I have been watching lots of RUclips. I think the Tudor period is one of my favorites
I always wonder how Mary, in her struggle for religious freedom during her brother’s reign, didn’t develop empathy for anyone else’s religious freedom if it wasn’t the same as hers when she became queen. I feel sorry for how she was treated during her life but I wish it would have enabled her to change things once she was able, not just for herself, but for all her subjects
Everyone feel compasion of her specially because of the opression her brother Edward imposed to her to become a protestant, but it is obvious that she would have done the same when she had the opportunity (and she did once she became Queen).
I think if anything else it radicalised her more. More intensely did she surround herself in her faith as the only true reliable thing in her life. I think Elizabeth took a different take because she saw both sides through a multitude of monarchs, although she’s not tolerant by todays standards necessarily but was then defo
Compared to the majority of people in England, it was luxurious and she was well fed. It was below her expectations but that does not make it that awful for the time.
She shared her father's & class' arrogant belief in their right to rule and have better than all others. If you want to see what most people went through then look at the majority of people at the bottom of the social scale. Her life was much better but she was ungrateful for the advantages she had, like a spoilt brat of a modern celebrity see Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.
@@johnleepettimoreiii65 how can you compare two people who lived in different periods, when life, traditions and laws were completely different? you can be that into history if you look at history through a 21st century view.
Henry the Eighth ranks up there reputationally as psychopathic as Caligula and Stalin. With that as a father, it is a wonder Mary did not have a mental breakdown earlier in life. Would love to read a novel about Mary I, like the White Queen series, or the retold story of Circe.
I know. Even I'd forgotten how bad it was until I was rereading my biographies of her for the videos. Yes, Elizabeth will definitely have videos too. At least three I think, possibly four depending on how long they're getting. Her first one should be with you in a fortnight.
@@HistoryCalling Thank you so much! (what is your name?) lol I love your videos so much, Ive nearly watched them all now and caught up! I'm such a History buff! xx
You're very welcome. I'm deliberately not using my name at the moment as I prefer to keep my privacy (lots of nasty people on the internet unfortunately), but I might change my mind in the future. I'm delighted you're enjoying the channel. I'm sure we'll chat again on one of the future videos. Take care.
It’s hard to put a whisker between her and Elizabeth as to who was the great survivor but when you take into account Elizabeths long reign, I would say it was her.
As to the relationship between Mary and Edward, I think I can only describe it as he was Henry VIII’s son and she was Katherine’s daughter! As compelling as the story is, for me Henry Tudor was the greatest survivor. At least Mary had Tudor blood and Spanish influences, Henry had nothing but a mothers prayer
Your channel is one of my favorites. I have seen countless videos on the Tudors but you always seem to have information that Im hearing for the first time! So interesting!
Haha had to rewind because I was sure I heard you call Edward VI a bit of a prick and you did! Fantastic you are 😌 Really hope RUclips ends up being super prosperous for you even though I’m sure you’d continue no matter what due to your evident passion for History. Pot makes it super cerebral too and really places you in the story as if witnessing it first hand so I’m looking forward to binging your entire library 😝 Thank you for these videos 😌
It's because English history was written in Protestant point of view. So they tarnished Queen Mary reign and called her bloody Mary for killing protestants. In reality she gaved them a chance until rebellion broke out. She believed her sister was behind it but spared her sister. Killed the people who was involved in the rebellion. She seen them as threat to her crown. Another thing her father and Queen Elizabeth killed more people than she ever did.
Oh yes, I think she did. Catherine was part of Mary's household, which is how she met Henry (or at least how she met him in 1543 when she took his interest - it's possible she'd been to court and met him previously).
Love your content. I'm more knowledgeable about other Tudor monarchs but I always wondered what was her bad health issues? No doubt stress made it far worse. I suffer chronic health issues and certainly stress is a factor. I did my thesis on War of the Roses but I fell in love with the Tudors before that! I had read one source (can't recall which) that said Mary had horrific periods. Was that her ill health? Maybe nowadays we'd know it as PCOS or Endometriosis or something similar. Would be interested in knowing what ailed her so much and if what she endured as a teen contributed to it. I won't excuse her later actions but I have more empathy for her now that I did. I do love Elizabeth I so I'm a bit bias ;)
Well done on the 2 parts about Mary the 1st. I'd like to ask you if you have considered about doing a video on Robert Ask at all and the Rebellion against Henry the VIII?
I luv the Tudor’s. Well all monarchs really. I just happened to stumble upon your channel. It’s so well researched. I subbed right away. I can’t wait to see what you do with maybe some of the Russian monarchs. *hint*hint*
Hi Sammie. Thanks for watching, commenting and subbing. It's great to have you here and I'm delighted you're enjoying the channel. Regarding the Russians, have you seen my video 'What happened to the Russian Royal Family?' It's a bit depressing, but I think it'll give you the Romanov fix you're after :-) I have an idea for a video on Catherine the Great in the back of my mind as well for some point in the future.
With everything I have learned about Henry Viii for how he treated Mary to me he was honestly a control freak. He constantly kept controlling Mary keeping her lock up not allowing her to see her mother one last time or go to the funeral, and when she did came out to court she really was never allowed to be happy to have a husband and children as Henry got to enjoy all that with six wives. Honestly mary youth was wasted away thanks to Henry controlling her not really allowing her to enjoy her young life. Then when she got into her 30s her brother Edward one from being a good brother to being horrible to mary over there different beliefs, seriously why couldn't people back then just let people choose what their beliefs were instead of forcing them to believe only one? And when she got married finally she was in her late 30s soon close to 40s I know as much he did love him but let's be honest here I think she was just so desperate for love that she couldn't have back then when she was younger in her 20s and early 30s as well her desperate to have a child so her half sister Elizabeth wouldn't take the throne. Even in death you couldn't get her final wishes, to your sister she ask her to restore the Catholic Church of course that never happened. She wanted to be buried right next to her mother instead she got married to her half sister. With all this it really does make me feel really upset for her. Rip Mary Tudor
That was just the kind of kid Edward was. You're right that he was brought up by radical Protestants, but he took to doctrinaire religious philosophy like a duck to water.
imagine being in your 30s and a snotty little 13 year old is trying to boss you around, and everyone around you is on the 13 year old's side! i would've lost my cool🤦🏻♀️
@@nickh.4917 very true, the more i learned about this period in history the more i realized just how unjustly maligned queen mary is nowadays. not defending all the atrocities she commited by any means, but the title "bloody mary" is one of the greater misnomers in history. she was _very_ patient and level-headed up until the beginning of the end.
If only Mary had had the great inner willpower of her half-sister, Elizabeth. Mary would have gained greater respect had SHE become the Virgin Queen and realized what problems there would be in marrying someone who was basically out for power and money. Sadly, Mary did not learn this wisdom, nor did she take an alternative path to find an older man who truly loved her for herself, such as she had once found and lost in Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg. Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg, in spite of knowing that Mary did not have high prospects and at that point knew that it was unlikely that she'd ever inherit the throne (so that was off the table), by all documented accounts and for all intents and purposes, did seem to have been genuinely cared for and was drawn to Mary for herself alone, and treated her with genuine respect and even gentle love. They met on 17 December in Hertford Castle, where they met through an interpreter and at the conclusion, he proposed marriage to her, and then presented her with a gift of a diamond cross with a pearl pendant. Mary said, "I would consider your proposal if my father permits it", and then he stole a brief moment to kiss her. Surprisingly, given their differing religious views, Mary afterwards showed affection towards Duke Philip as she kissed him out of court. Tragically, the Duke was later sent back to his land and the plan did not come to fruition. Philip, however, was not deterred, and he visited England three more times to try to gain Henry's permission to marry Mary; but only once more did he get to see Lady Mary until he was sent away again and they never saw each other again. It is especially telling when afterwards, he never married even till his death in 1548. Poor, Philip and Mary... sadly, it seems that Mary didn't appreciate the true love that was right in front of her eyes and she herself may once have been thawing her heart to, but her Dad's shoddy treatment of Anne of Cleves and of Duke Philip as well as towards Mary ruined that opportunity. Such a tragedy for both of them. If only Mary had fully opened her heart to Philip Duke of Palatinate, and if only Henry had allowed them both to marry, then Mary would have finally found the truly caring and loving husband she always prayed for but ultimately never got, and sadly, ultimately, by her own actions.
The goals you cite would have been well nigh impossible for Mary to achieve. She was bound while her father was alive to follow his dictates. That is one huge if only you have cited at the end: "if only Henry had allowed it." And you admit that Henry's behavior ruined the opportunity. It's unfair to put down to Mary's choice her failure to marry the duke, when she had no agency in the matter until much later, when events had made it seem to her that her faith was endangered, and her feelings about it had hardened. Mary lived in a culture where a princess, no matter what she felt, had to conform to what her father wished.
I always thought it was so interesting how protective the Spanish word towards their English family, but their own Joanna they imprisoned and took all of her rights away and none of her family came to her rescue
Catherine was something of a golden child in her family, and a martyr. Mary, being her daughter, was the same. Joanna was religiously rebellious, and Mary had no real claim to the Spanish throne so she wasn’t a threat. They weren’t really protecting her, but rather the image of her family. They still allowed her to be raised in near poverty
I would feel some sympathy for Mary for what she went through in Edward’s reign, except when the shoe was on the other foot and she was queen, she did to Elizabeth what Edward had done to her. However Elizabeth had no powerful family to protect her, and she was in real danger of execution at one point. Mary clearly wasn’t.
It was a time of great political and religious instability in England, mainly due to H8 reign. The nobility and the kingdom was divided, some were sympathetic to one, some to another, the line of succession was not clear. It was prone to treasons and overturns, your assassin could be your brother, your sister, your cousin, even Mary's own father saw her as a threat at some point in her life (and in fact, he never really stopped seeing her as a threat). It was not due to Mary's or Edward's (who was very young, mainly influenced by his tutors) wickedness, the time, the context made them cruel with one another. If Elizabeth had been in Mary's shoes she would probably do the same thing, Elizabeth is the one who executed her cousin Mary, queen of Scots. Mary is Edward godmother, they adored one another when he was a small child, if the kingdom was not so divided they would surely have a good relationship
Greatest Tutor survivor? Hmm? Mary and Elizabeth are the two contenders for the title. Mary survived two kings who may have killed her for her religious beliefs and Elizabeth only one. But Elizabeth survived so very long through the reigns of her father, her brother, and her sister, and then into a world of assassins when she was queen. Tough pick, close race, but just from the number of years I’d go with Elizabeth, but I see your argument.
Elizabeth was also abused both emotionally and (almost sexually). That's why it damages her to the point of never marrying. Elizabeth is really scared of child birth
It seems to me that, as bad as things were for Mary, they were for Elisabeth, who had to survive the same treatment as Mary and had to endure the threats of Mary herself once she came to the throne. I therefore do not quite agree that Mary was the greatest Tudor survivor.
As long as she didn't have a living male heir her place as queen wasn't secure (she learned that the hard way a few years later), it was hard for her to lobby for her death, even if she hated the girl. Even H8 in his fury didn't kill her, it was one thing to treat her poorly, but if he shops off her head he makes her a martyr for Catholics, a perfect pretext for riots and rebellion, others Catholics Kingdoms would be horrified (especially Spain), they would probably be glad to feed the fire. Even if he was good for making excuses for his actions and his cruelty, I don't think he wanted to bear the sin of killing his offspring, she was not in open rebellion, with thousands of men to storm him, there was not proof that it was in her mind, he could poorly justify cutting her neck.
The child abuse she received, it is not shocking she went a little mad. Imagine what a great queen she would have been of henry and Anne Bolyn didn't abuse her.
Henry the 8th was a real piece of work no question, as we see how he treats women no matter who they are and if he doesn't get what he wants they suffer for it. So Mary and her mother's view that the way he was being towards them had anything to do with Anne was in my view misguided, if anything everyone was seeing him for how he truly was and it wasn't pleasant. But the family itself it clearly a mess and there might have been all kinds of different health issues within the family ranging from possible physical health problems to mental and personality disorders which seem to plague nobility and royalty the world over for the most part.
I think Catherine of Aragon Issa much to blame as Henry (if not more) for Mary’s miserable and unhappy early years. If Catherine had agreed to her separation and divorce fromHenry without trying to hang on to a man who no longer wanted her or needed to obtain the heir she was now too old to give him life would have been so much better for all three of them! Catherine loved being a martyr for Christ (Christ didn’t want that for her surely) and it is reasonable to say she lied about not consummating her marriage to Arthur. She allowed her stubbornness to ruin most of Mary’s life by instilling in her that suffering must be endured for her Catholic faith !! What a lot of rubbish to saddle her daughter with. She claimed great love for Mary but what she really loved was being a martyr. Any woman truly loving her child would go thro anything to make her life easier. She knew well that Henry needed a son and she should at least understood why he needed a divorce - if she loved him as she said she should have agreed and set Mary free too. Have no excuses for Mary’s murderous behaviour later - God doe not ask us to kill those that are not Catholic !! True horror of which I hope Mary recognised in her heart - a pity she did not repent of it. Sorry to have gone on so long.
If she accepted the annulment she would’ve had to admit she committed adultery and make her beloved child illegitimate. She thought it would condemn her soul.
@@savannahbyrd7884 Not sure if victim blaming.. Catherine was raised to be queen of England since birth and was from a great family so that sense of self importance was there... Just because she was female don't mean she was a victim ...hell, she was a match for Henry will wise and I'm not surprised she didn't bend ...
Anne was an honourable very religious woman. Why should she claim her marriage invalid and her daughter illegitimate! Henry didn’t think so when he sought permission to marry her! She was a princess in her own right and he treated her abominably due to his lust for Anne Boleyn.
This would be like blaming Anne for her execution, because technically she could have accepted an annulment or accepted being Henry's mistress instead of a Queen, but she didn't. And because of this she made life hard for her and her daughter. Henry is to blame, not Catherine or Anne
By the way by Henry the viii will and how he changed the succession of the English throne and declared both Mary and Elizabeth in line to the throne and he decided to put his younger sister Mary Tudor grandkids and put his older sister Margaret Tudor grand kids after Mary so does that mean that Mary grand kinds had better English claim then Margaret but however I do understand the hole reason why Elizabeth excluded Katharine grey and Mary grey because they both married without the queen permission so if they didn’t and there marriages were valid and obviously in parliament in 1560 they were pressuring Elizabeth to name Katherine grey her air but both Mary and Katherine were dead because of heartbreak and Elizabeth decided that Katherine sons were illegitimate if they weren’t then they would have taken the English throne right ? Or would there have been a war between Mary great grand son and Margaret great grand son James since when James took the English throne people from the British court were questioning if he should be king after Henry the 8th will decided to put his younger sister mary Tudor grand daughters over margret Tudor grand daughter Mary Queen of Scots right?
Yes, by Henry VIII's will the descendants of Mary Tudor, Queen of France had a better claim than the descendants of her sister, Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland. However Margaret's descendants (as she was the elder sister) had a better claim by the rules of seniority. The descendants of the Grey sisters would have had a hard job fending off James VI of Scotland I think. He was a Protestant King, just up the road in Scotland with his own army to support him. Having him take the throne also brought the two kingdoms together under a regal union and more or less solved the age-old problem of Anglo-Scottish wars (until the Jacobite era at least, but that's another story).
@@HistoryCalling yeah I agree but we can say that if Elizabeth did name one of the grey girls if they were alive or if there kids or descendent were alive then I guess we can say that Mary Tudor dissendants could be monarchs if they are liked in the English court very popular in England and France then I guess james can’t really do anything to them who know do you think lady Katherine grey descendants are still alive
@@HistoryCalling oh okay thanks did you know this that Elizabeth the 1 laddies have had a really long life’s as in some of them died on there 80s and 90s very impressive what do you think
I was waiting for this! Thanks! My thoughts: I don't understand why she wanted to be queen after all she's been through in her own country, she could have just gone away for real and maybe married somebody freely without all these many restrictions... I don't understand her religious fanatism even though I know it came early from her mother and later by other influencers. But honestly, Has this god (who she loved so much )ever listened to her? I know it's a matter of faith and not reward to be a true religious person, but this woman must not be right in the head to behave like this! Her half sister was smarter and happier than her! Thanks again for your beautiful video! 😍
As for why she wanted to be Queen, I think it was a lot of things. For starters, she firmly believed that it was her right. Second, she wanted to return England to Catholicism. Third, there would have been no peace for her in exile. She would always have been a threat to whoever was on the throne and she would have been hunted as a result (much like her grandfather Henry VII and his claim to the throne was much weaker than hers). Finally, she would have had to rely on the charity of her foreign relations to support her (as Charles II would later have to do). Regarding her religious beliefs, probably no one but her could explain exactly what she thought about all her trials and tribulations, but I do think her faith brought her a lot of comfort too. Glad you liked the video :-)
Mary seemed like a good person and a terrible monarch, Elizabeth was a great monarch but seemed a selfish private person. It definitely seems like the indoctrination ran too deep with Mary, perhaps she felt that obligated? Or maybe she just thought a position of power was her only safety?
@@a.munroe Yes, I think she was more or less a good person who had bad things happen to her so often that eventually it got to her. As for religion, it's probably difficult to understand from a modern perspective, but people living in that era were just soooo religious. They all would have been what we might now refer to as indoctrinated. Think how many of them were willing to die for their religion for instance, whether it was Protestantism or Catholicism. Mary wasn't that different to those around her, she just had the power to enforce her will on all of them. Yes, I do think being Queen was about safety too, amongst many other things. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@HistoryCalling sorry I just realized wasn't clear, by indoctrination I meant that her right to the throne from a purely pragmatic stand point as well. She's got epic grandparents. Very famous. It would be terrifying to do them justice under the circumstances of her life.😱
No one, as far as I can see, has said she shouldn't believe--but trying to force a whole nation to worship as she did was wrong, and the punishments for worshipping outside the Catholic Church were cruel.
@@edithengel2284 I think that there was no way there that in that time you could say believe what you want . But it was a bloody mess and killing all the time back then. Talk about people pollution control!
By the way love your content imagine if Henry the 8 never killed Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard and he divorced them then could they have still been alive during Elizabeth reign what do you think and love your accent and content amazing and I am so fascinated with the tudors or do you think something could have happened to them during Edward vi and Mary 1 reign
Sadly, he could never have let them live as any other children he had by another wife would have been tainted with illegitimacy, just as Elizabeth was because she was born during Catherine of Aragon's lifetime. I can't really imagine what would have happened if they'd still been alive as I'm just so sure it would never have happened. Maybe a life in exile for Anne, although it would have been politically messy for any foreign country to take her in.
Yeah I mean let’s just say Henry the 8 did not have them killed and both out lived him I think when Mary the 1 takes the throne and if Anne Boleyn was still alive and was not in another country I think she would have been killed right away right and same with Catherine Howard since both of them Mary seems to hate right but thanks keep up with your videos loving history
@@raumaanking Yes, I don't think AB would have been on Mary's Christmas card list, that's for sure :-) As for Catherine Howard, Mary wasn't her biggest fan, but I don't know that she would have hated her enough to kill her, not unless Catherine had done something else in the interim to anger Mary. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@HistoryCalling and as a minor English noblewoman, AB lacked the international dynastic connections that could have guaranteed her some measure of safety abroad, like it probably would have had either Catherine or Mary fled to Spain or any other Hapsburg territory. AB was also extremely unpopular in most European courts as was generally seen by Catholic Europe as a usurper, and thus had no friends she could turn to for external support and protection from Henry. I think this may have been an unforeseen side effect of Henry’s English marriages. The convoluted annulment of his initial Spanish match proved it was easier to dispose of a wife who was also a subject. There would be fewer international repercussions.
@@johntshorter Excellent points. I agree that Catherine of Aragon and/or Mary would have had an easier time on the continent in the 1530s than Anne. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Except perhaps when she wanted to have Elizabeth executed. (Actually, I agree that she was meant by nature to be a sweet person, and was indeed a good sister for a long time.)
Dear History Calling. Great video, thank you very much! I Love Tudors times. But if I can, kindly ask you to slow dow with reading the text you ' ve prepared. It would be much more enjoyable. Thank you very much. Maria
I am sorry, I don't agree. Elizabeth (to become Elizabeth I) is the greatest Tudor survivor. Age wise, she lived the longest -- most Tudor dyeing in their 50's or younger, Elizabeth lived to be 70. She lived though much of the political and religious termol as Mary, but didn't have the powerful support of the Spanish Crown. At one point the King of Spain threatened war if Mary wasn't given her freedom of religion. Elizabeth had no support, but still managed to survive. Mary spent over 9 years as legitimate, which also continued with most of the world despite her own father denying her legitimacy. Except for a few years while her mother lived, Elizabeth was called illegitimate, even by her father. The world also called her illegitimate even during the years her mother lived as queen. Elizabeth had next to nothing in power, not even heir apparent until Mary became queen. Yet she survived and even became one of the greatest monarchs England has ever known.
@@johnleepettimoreiii65 Yes she did, idk where you guys learn your history. Queen Elizabeth had killed more people than Queen Mary. She even killed her close relatives due to her fear getting older and thinking her relatives will take her throne from her. Before she died she had visions about people she has ordered to be killed, including Queen Mary of Scots. She regretted it and feared she'll be in dark place after she dies. Also Queen Elizabeth stole some of Queen Mary's ideas to help England prosper. Some credit goes to Queen Mary too.
Despite their greatness... the Tutors are a bunch to avoid as my Scottish Grandfather would say.. Of course we probably know more of them than other rulers. Has anyone found who probably infected Edward? Or is it all just a guess as no-one has really tried to nail down his illness.?
Edward died of tuberculosis which was a major killer well into the 20th century. Only the discovery of antibiotics and widespread vaccination halted it's deadly progress in the USA.
She was terrible, after all the suffering she went through you would have thought she would have learnt a thing or two about kindness, but nope...as soon as she rose to power became bloody Mary proving she was just as bad...the greatest Tudor definitely was Elizabeth
@@chanedwards5295 yeh well... I suppose another common case of not knowing better...I am close with a few people who were raised by abusive parents, however they are gentle and kind individuals that by no means repeat or exhibit that sort of behaviour...there are so many variables in human behaviour I suppose... I think we are largely who we are in life because of personal decisions, but as I mentioned, many individuals don't know any better and have to go through a slow journey of changing their mindset if they decide to do so...Mary Tudor, gosh it looks like nothing really worked out for her...became a tyrant like her dad, rushing to produce an heir and failed almost like divine providence wasn't even on her side
Due to English history being written in Protestant point of view. They tarnished Queen Mary reign and called her bloody Mary for killing protestants. In reality she gaved them a chance until rebellion broke out. She believed her sister was behind it but spared her sister. Killed the people who was involved in the rebellion. She seen them as threat to her crown. Another thing her father and Queen Elizabeth killed more people than she ever did. There no good or bad here, people who were protecting their power over people.
It was very sad the way Anne brainwashed Henry to hate his own daughter. Henry asked for a Papal dispensation in order to marry Catherine of Aragon, most forget this fact.
Anne most certainly did NOT brainwash Henry to hate Mary. Mary's treatment actually WORSENED after Anne died and didn't get better until she fully submitted to him. And nobody forgets about that dispensation. FFS, the SEXISM in these comments just REEKS.
It was most definitely Henry’s own decision. Don’t excuse that horrible man by blaming it on a “home wrecker” He went about and repeated his atrocities throughout his life. He was the instigator and the one to blame.
Although these videos are fantastic. You are clearly showing a bias. Anne wasnt some evil step mother who abused mary , she didnt stop Henry from doing so but half of part 1s apparent abuse to mary is frankly a lie . Jane also aasnt some lovely woman she didnt help mary out of the kindness of her heart .
@@marishkaaaa-r0p She actually did reach out to Mary several times, but since everything depended on Mary's acknowledging Anne as Henry's wife, Mary never responded favorably. Chapuys, the Spanish ambassador is the source of a lot of the evil stepmother information, and he hated Anne. And Henry treated Mary even more harshly after Anne was dead, so it is likely the lion's share, if not all, of the blame was his.
Definitely not the greatest Tudor; and she didn't survive. So, no. Definitely not the greatest Tudor survivor. Overall easily one of the top ten worst monarchs in European history and top three worst in English history. If it wasn't for her traitorous disloyalty to England, genocidal violence against Protestants to include her own servants and nobles, betrayal of British self-sovereignties to Spain and by extension to Rome, betrayal of her own mother's brave patience and many selfless sacrifices, betrayal of her own father's patriotism and many profound reforms; if not for these and more of Mary's profound failings, England would never have been forced into its Civil War. She is the only reason the UK will never again have a Catholic monarch. Which is a shame. She is the only reason the UK preferred to have a literal Dutchman on the throne than another secretly Catholic or secretly homosexual Scot. She is the only reason there are literally Germans on the throne today. But, at least they're not Catholic is the ratioanlization. See the enduring harm Mary did? A truly horrible queen. England would have been better off and for 500 years if she had the balls to leave like The O'Neill and others. She would have been happy and successful with her mother's family in Spain, or perhaps married to some murderous unchristian hypocrite soul mate in Rome? On the other hand, Mary's evil conduct is one of the principal reasons the United States and many other countries have religious freedom and a constitutional separation or church and state. So that's quite an accomplishment at a species level. It's just unfortunate that she was more interested in terrorizing her own kingdom(s) than competently ruling them.
Mary always gets a bad press but I like her more than Elizabeth and the rest,she was a good Catholic and a decent person she doesn't deserve the title of bloody Mary she killed no more than the rest of them
She set 287 people on fire. In 5 years. If she had ruled as long as Elizabeth and kept that murder rate, she would have burnt 2,525 people alive. Elizabeth executed less than 200 in 44 years, and she executed them in a far more humane manner. Henry was worse than both of them, but he’s rightfully remembered as a tyrant. Sugar coating Mary is pointless. It’s a fact that she was a religious zealot who enjoyed executing those who opposed her religion
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She was called Bloody Mary due to English history being written in Protestant point of view. They tarnished her reign and insulted her. If you want know about someone being bloody. Look no further than her father and sister who killed more people than she did.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 Errrr, no she's called Bloody Mary because she was an evil murdering Catholic witch. As for her father and sister, Henry reigned for 36 years and Elizabeth for 43 compared to her circa 3 - and Elizabeth promoted religious tolerance.
@@O.O.O.K999 Elizabeth was only tolerant until she gotten older. She only called Bloody Mary due to Protestant writing English history after Queen Elizabeth took over, basically tarnishing Queen Mary completely. That why King Henry and Queen Elizabeth are not called names and has been treated well through out history compared to Mary.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 From your grammar it would appear you are not English. I'll stick with the documented evidence from our history and the knowledge of all the historians who disagree with you. You are also wrong about Henry not being called names, he is regarded as a tyrant and a wife murderer.
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Henry’s children were treated so badly as were his wives. I’m sorry for what he put them all through. I have often wondered how history would have played out had Arthur not died so young, Henry was a brute and unprepared to be king.
I feel like both Edward AND Mary were victims of their parents' propaganda. While faith is extremely important and should be respected, their parents' hard line stances on faith caused the children to be fanatical.
I think in her youth, Mary showed resilience and strength of character, but I don't think of her as a survivor. A good portion of her life was miserable, and this affected her decision making. I think the traumas consumed her in the end.
Edward was groomed by Henry to be as much of an ass as he was. Edward Seymour reinforced that. Mary was stubborn and wouldn’t compromise either. And while Mary was kept from her mother, Elizabeth’s mother was judicially murdered by Henry. She had to survive not only her father, but her brother, his “regent”, AND her sister to get to the throne. She was unceremoniously declared a bastard, was seen by haters as the embodiment of her mother and had to walk this tightrope from her preteens to her mid-twenties. I’d say Elizabeth is as much if not more of a survivor.
IT’S HERE IN THIS VID at 11:26 Remember when I thought you said Edward was a little pr!ck … now that I heard it again I’m pretty certain you said “prig” lol
Henry's children all suffered the trauma of having a horrible father and it shows.
Another fantastic video. It must have been exhausting being Mary. The men in her life are just angry, mardy and are just use to getting their own way. I can't even think what was going through her mind when she was in her thirties and being lectured by a teen! She did well to keep her cool to be honest.
Thank you. Yes, it was a difficult life and I don't envy her at all. Her story is a tragedy in many ways.
She was amazing.
She maintained her faith at unbelievable peril.
The Catholic Church should Beatify her - for risking her life so many times for her faith. Just because she wasn't ultimately murdered for her faith isn't the issue. She openly chose martyrdom( that thankfully won't carried out) in a situation that truly was threatening her life. She is so brave & a great example for us all.
@@ladyagnes7781 Mary I (Bloody Mary) should be beatified?
@@ladyagnes7781 I don't know if Catholicism has this category but in Eastern Orthodoxy there is a rank of saint know as Confessor. This is a category for saints who are not physically martyred but who persevere under severe persecute.
@@Al_Ellisande her sister, Queen Elizabeth, was just as bloody if not more so. History, written by her supporters, overlooked her persecution of Catholics.
My heart always hurt for her and her sister. But they both became strong women!
I know. They both had terrible childhoods, albeit in different ways. I have to say, having put together these videos, I actually think Mary had it worse than Elizabeth. It doesn't excuse her later behaviour, but I do understand her better now. So many unpleasant things happened to her, I couldn't even fit them all into the videos.
@@HistoryCalling agree!
@@HistoryCalling Mary had it worse than....so was her mother murdered and smeared for centuries, was she molested by her stepfather, was she thrown in the Tower by ONE and threatened with EXECUTION by BOTH her siblings, was a stepmother she adored executed before she was ten....legit, DO NOT diminish what Elizabeth suffered and survived to get that crown and KEEP it for nearly 45 years.
@@helend7542 Agreed. I wouldn't want to compare Mary and Elizabeth's experiences. What I will say is that growing up in such a toxic environment likely allowed Elizabeth, sadly, to adapt faster and better. In comparison, Mary grew up with everything only to have had it ripped away from her and be cruelly abused by the father she thought loved her.
@@elisabetta611 When Mary put Elizabeth in the Tower, it was under suspicion of plotting to overthrow Mary--treason, in other words--so Elizabeth's life was on a knife's edge, with skilled inquisitors trying to trip her up so they could put her to death. I don't believe Mary's life was ever seriously threatened, even though she was, indeed, treated badly by her father and brother. Mary's treatment of Elizabeth cannot and should not be minimized.
“As for little Edward, he was a bit of a prick…”
A tad unfair…he was a kId after all
I think she said "prig," which he certainly was, whereas "prick" is kind of a judgment call.
I admire the bravery she showed in standing up for her beliefs, despite opposition.
and becoming a mass murdering blood cult zealot....yeah really commendable. BLOODY MARY!
If she had been a commoner defying the boy king like that she would have been put to death.
What I find interesting is how the childhoods of the Tudors shaped their reigns (in my opinion at least). So much might have been avoided had their parents been more attentive.
Henry VIII was raised in a loving household with his mother and sisters and longed his whole life for a stable family life. He also got his determination to get sons as a teenager, since his own brother died and he was locked away by his own father, who feared he might die too.
Mary was abused by her father, scarring her for life. I believe this was the basis for the path she took as queen, trying to turn back time and taking revenge on all that were in her grasp and still alive.
Elizabeth deleted her mother from her memory for most of her life and famously never married and who could blame her after seeing what happened to her (step)mothers and Mary.
elizabeth never forgot her mother. she might not have talked about her, but she kept a ring locket with a tiny sculpture of anne's portrait and her own and there's a portrait of elizabeth painted over one of a woman who greatly resembles anne, which was most likely done to preserve said portrait underneath, since elizabeth would not have had herself painted on a used canvas otherwise.
Elizabeth never forgot her mother. She can't mention her mother because the parliament or the people in England hated Anne Boleyn. Associating herself with an adulterer will cost her, her head so in order to stay safe, she never publicly associate herself with her mother but she did. Remembering all of the women's pain especially the pain of childbirth, she took the path of not marrying. Elizabeth has her own trauma
I definitely agree 👍 but to add Mary could have produced sons, had Henry married her off and she could have given him heirs instead of putting England through what he did.
@@amandafletcher2267 misogyny
I’ve always been somewhat protective about Mary when discussing her with other people interested in tudor history. These videos have definitely helped me understand why :-) thank you! love your content
Yes, I've come to have a lot more sympathy for her and understanding of her too. I'm still horrified at the mass burnings she allowed to happen during her reign (I'm just writing up the script for that video at the moment), but I understand her psychology better now and how she got to that point. Thank you so much for watching. I love thinking of my videos going around to the world, including to places I've never even been (which sadly includes the beautiful Canada at the moment, but hopefully I'll get to visit someday).
@@HistoryCalling Yes of course! I don’t agree with the horrendous burnings. I think I just really empathize with have unstable parents and step parents as a young girl. I don’t excuse her actions at all, though!! You should definitely come visit Canada, The city I live in here in Alberta is sort of boring, but theres lots of other fun places to visit here :> Banff is like super famous :D
I have felt this way for a long time. In 5th grade we had to do an “Autobiography project.” Where we pretended to be a medieval historical figure. And I found the girl in my class who picked Mary before I could and made her trade with me for Joan of Arc lmao.
@@HistoryCalling Canada is wonderful! I live in Minnesota, USA, and my family have been up to Kenora, ON (where my dad's from), Winnipeg, MB (where more family live), Montreal (for a few days), and Old Quebec City, QC (for a family reunion). One day I hope to go to Vancouver, Ottawa, Toronto, and back to Old Quebec City.
Freedom of any kind of expression is hotly debated even today. Times haven't changed that drastically about some things.
I love the extra details and delivery of your documentaries. Thank you. Well put together. I feel soi sorry for Mary. What a stressful rollercoaster of fortunes in her life.
Thank you, it's lovely to know the work I put in is appreciated. Yes, Mary had a very tough time of it. Worse than Elizabeth I think, who often gets all the sympathy because Mary put her in the Tower for a couple of months (not that that wasn't awful, but it wasn't the kind of prolonged mental torment that Mary endured for years and years).
Always found it strange that she and Elizabeth are buried in the same tiny tomb, can’t imagine either of them would be too happy about it! Seems very sad too that Elizabeth was perhaps the best monarch this country had, she deserved a way better monument not a tiny little shared side room,
I think Elizabeth actually had something to do with this and it was puzzling to me that she would choose to spend eternity with the sister that was her primary rival and one whom she neither trusted nor liked. Quite Freudian if you ask me, From the virgin queen who never got married
@@pbohearn James VI and I was responsible for putting Mary and Elizabeth together. Elizabeth had nothing to do with it. The two sisters would have hated it.
I do a lot of crochet and diamond painting and love listening to these videos. Love hearing about the Tudors and about the Stuart's (who it is rumored we are connected to in my family. And as Canada spent most of the last 18 months in lick down I have been watching lots of RUclips. I think the Tudor period is one of my favorites
Both Tudor Queens are among my favourite British Monarchs. These videos are delightful!!!
I always wonder how Mary, in her struggle for religious freedom during her brother’s reign, didn’t develop empathy for anyone else’s religious freedom if it wasn’t the same as hers when she became queen. I feel sorry for how she was treated during her life but I wish it would have enabled her to change things once she was able, not just for herself, but for all her subjects
She had her father's sense of entitlement..
Everyone feel compasion of her specially because of the opression her brother Edward imposed to her to become a protestant, but it is obvious that she would have done the same when she had the opportunity (and she did once she became Queen).
I think if anything else it radicalised her more. More intensely did she surround herself in her faith as the only true reliable thing in her life. I think Elizabeth took a different take because she saw both sides through a multitude of monarchs, although she’s not tolerant by todays standards necessarily but was then defo
Poor Mary. What a life.
I know. I have a lot of sympathy for what she went through.
Compared to the majority of people in England, it was luxurious and she was well fed. It was below her expectations but that does not make it that awful for the time.
MASS MURDERING RELIGIOUS ZEALOT, BLOODY MARY!
i love Queen Mary! the poor woman went through so much 😔
She did. It's heart-breaking to look at her life, both before and after she gained the throne. She just couldn't catch a break.
She shared her father's & class' arrogant belief in their right to rule and have better than all others.
If you want to see what most people went through then look at the majority of people at the bottom of the social scale. Her life was much better but she was ungrateful for the advantages she had, like a spoilt brat of a modern celebrity see Paris Hilton or the Kardashians.
and yet went on to become a notorious MASS MURDERER! Bloody Mary! Do you 'love' Hitler and Stalin also? jeez...
@@johnleepettimoreiii65
how can you compare two people who lived in different periods, when life, traditions and laws were completely different?
you can be that into history if you look at history through a 21st century view.
@@rorygilmore2470 Henry the 8 was a hero. Mary was a serial killer and belongs in jail
Henry the Eighth ranks up there reputationally as psychopathic as Caligula and Stalin. With that as a father, it is a wonder Mary did not have a mental breakdown earlier in life. Would love to read a novel about Mary I, like the White Queen series, or the retold story of Circe.
I can’t believe how terribly Mary was treated by her Father! Can you please do a video on young Elizabeth 1.? x
I know. Even I'd forgotten how bad it was until I was rereading my biographies of her for the videos. Yes, Elizabeth will definitely have videos too. At least three I think, possibly four depending on how long they're getting. Her first one should be with you in a fortnight.
@@HistoryCalling Thank you so much! (what is your name?) lol I love your videos so much, Ive nearly watched them all now and caught up! I'm such a History buff! xx
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Mary was garbage! And was a mass murderer!
@@HistoryCalling please make videos about Queen Elizabeth's romance with the duke of anjou
I love your videos so much and your voice is so relaxing. Thank you for making these. I love learning about history
It’s hard to put a whisker between her and Elizabeth as to who was the great survivor but when you take into account Elizabeths long reign, I would say it was her.
I really enjoy your clear well put together narrative.
As to the relationship between Mary and Edward, I think I can only describe it as he was Henry VIII’s son and she was Katherine’s daughter! As compelling as the story is, for me Henry Tudor was the greatest survivor. At least Mary had Tudor blood and Spanish influences, Henry had nothing but a mothers prayer
Your channel is one of my favorites. I have seen countless videos on the Tudors but you always seem to have information that Im hearing for the first time! So interesting!
That's so kind of you to say. Thank you. I'm really glad you're enjoying the channel :-)
Another excellent podcast- thank you so much!
Haha had to rewind because I was sure I heard you call Edward VI a bit of a prick and you did! Fantastic you are 😌 Really hope RUclips ends up being super prosperous for you even though I’m sure you’d continue no matter what due to your evident passion for History. Pot makes it super cerebral too and really places you in the story as if witnessing it first hand so I’m looking forward to binging your entire library 😝 Thank you for these videos 😌
LOL - I think the word she used was "prig" - cos he disapproved of Mary dancing. But yes - it did sound like "prick" and it made me laugh :D
Edward was a prig. He was well on his way to being as intolerant as Mary proved to be in matters of religion.
I think it was "prig".
This has more drama than a soap opera!!!
I couldn’t believe how father like that would recognize her right to the throne even though I watch the show it’s life Mike came through the show
Poor Mary she wasn't evil at all as people claim but my favourite Tudor queen is Elizabeth and Anne Boleyn
Totally agree :-)
@Dru Baxter no, beheaded, quartered and disemboweled was much better with Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.
@@thefrogsscalp777 they were all batshit crazy, passing down their trauma to innocent people in a chain of misery
I think Anne Boleyn got what she deserved.
It's because English history was written in Protestant point of view. So they tarnished Queen Mary reign and called her bloody Mary for killing protestants. In reality she gaved them a chance until rebellion broke out. She believed her sister was behind it but spared her sister. Killed the people who was involved in the rebellion. She seen them as threat to her crown. Another thing her father and Queen Elizabeth killed more people than she ever did.
I can only hope she got along with Catherine Parr. Catherine Parr I as a kind, loving stepmother
Oh yes, I think she did. Catherine was part of Mary's household, which is how she met Henry (or at least how she met him in 1543 when she took his interest - it's possible she'd been to court and met him previously).
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you to you too :-)
Do you have a podcast I can listen too? Love your videos so well researched and a great documentary voice to listen too
Fascinating - thank you!
Thank you too!
Love your content. I'm more knowledgeable about other Tudor monarchs but I always wondered what was her bad health issues? No doubt stress made it far worse. I suffer chronic health issues and certainly stress is a factor. I did my thesis on War of the Roses but I fell in love with the Tudors before that! I had read one source (can't recall which) that said Mary had horrific periods. Was that her ill health? Maybe nowadays we'd know it as PCOS or Endometriosis or something similar. Would be interested in knowing what ailed her so much and if what she endured as a teen contributed to it. I won't excuse her later actions but I have more empathy for her now that I did. I do love Elizabeth I so I'm a bit bias ;)
Well done on the 2 parts about Mary the 1st. I'd like to ask you if you have considered about doing a video on Robert Ask at all and the Rebellion against Henry the VIII?
I luv the Tudor’s. Well all monarchs really. I just happened to stumble upon your channel. It’s so well researched. I subbed right away. I can’t wait to see what you do with maybe some of the Russian monarchs. *hint*hint*
Hi Sammie. Thanks for watching, commenting and subbing. It's great to have you here and I'm delighted you're enjoying the channel. Regarding the Russians, have you seen my video 'What happened to the Russian Royal Family?' It's a bit depressing, but I think it'll give you the Romanov fix you're after :-) I have an idea for a video on Catherine the Great in the back of my mind as well for some point in the future.
With everything I have learned about Henry Viii for how he treated Mary to me he was honestly a control freak.
He constantly kept controlling Mary keeping her lock up not allowing her to see her mother one last time or go to the funeral, and when she did came out to court she really was never allowed to be happy to have a husband and children as Henry got to enjoy all that with six wives.
Honestly mary youth was wasted away thanks to Henry controlling her not really allowing her to enjoy her young life.
Then when she got into her 30s her brother Edward one from being a good brother to being horrible to mary over there different beliefs, seriously why couldn't people back then just let people choose what their beliefs were instead of forcing them to believe only one?
And when she got married finally she was in her late 30s soon close to 40s I know as much he did love him but let's be honest here I think she was just so desperate for love that she couldn't have back then when she was younger in her 20s and early 30s as well her desperate to have a child so her half sister Elizabeth wouldn't take the throne.
Even in death you couldn't get her final wishes, to your sister she ask her to restore the Catholic Church of course that never happened.
She wanted to be buried right next to her mother instead she got married to her half sister.
With all this it really does make me feel really upset for her.
Rip Mary Tudor
Yes, in many ways she had a horrible life from her early teens onwards.
There was a lot of power and politics bound up in religion back then.
Which 9 or 10 year old will start arguing about his sister’s religion if not egged on by a zealous adult????
That was just the kind of kid Edward was. You're right that he was brought up by radical Protestants, but he took to doctrinaire religious philosophy like a duck to water.
imagine being in your 30s and a snotty little 13 year old is trying to boss you around, and everyone around you is on the 13 year old's side! i would've lost my cool🤦🏻♀️
If you lost your cool you would have lost your head. I think Mary kept her head because she kept her cool.
@@nickh.4917 very true, the more i learned about this period in history the more i realized just how unjustly maligned queen mary is nowadays. not defending all the atrocities she commited by any means, but the title "bloody mary" is one of the greater misnomers in history. she was _very_ patient and level-headed up until the beginning of the end.
Last laugh on Hemry VIII since when his long awaited male heir died there were VIII FEMALE heirs to the throne.
Imagine being a woman in your thirties being lectured about your spiritual life by a thirteen-year-old kid.
If only Mary had had the great inner willpower of her half-sister, Elizabeth. Mary would have gained greater respect had SHE become the Virgin Queen and realized what problems there would be in marrying someone who was basically out for power and money. Sadly, Mary did not learn this wisdom, nor did she take an alternative path to find an older man who truly loved her for herself, such as she had once found and lost in Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg. Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg, in spite of knowing that Mary did not have high prospects and at that point knew that it was unlikely that she'd ever inherit the throne (so that was off the table), by all documented accounts and for all intents and purposes, did seem to have been genuinely cared for and was drawn to Mary for herself alone, and treated her with genuine respect and even gentle love. They met on 17 December in Hertford Castle, where they met through an interpreter and at the conclusion, he proposed marriage to her, and then presented her with a gift of a diamond cross with a pearl pendant. Mary said, "I would consider your proposal if my father permits it", and then he stole a brief moment to kiss her. Surprisingly, given their differing religious views, Mary afterwards showed affection towards Duke Philip as she kissed him out of court. Tragically, the Duke was later sent back to his land and the plan did not come to fruition. Philip, however, was not deterred, and he visited England three more times to try to gain Henry's permission to marry Mary; but only once more did he get to see Lady Mary until he was sent away again and they never saw each other again. It is especially telling when afterwards, he never married even till his death in 1548. Poor, Philip and Mary... sadly, it seems that Mary didn't appreciate the true love that was right in front of her eyes and she herself may once have been thawing her heart to, but her Dad's shoddy treatment of Anne of Cleves and of Duke Philip as well as towards Mary ruined that opportunity. Such a tragedy for both of them. If only Mary had fully opened her heart to Philip Duke of Palatinate, and if only Henry had allowed them both to marry, then Mary would have finally found the truly caring and loving husband she always prayed for but ultimately never got, and sadly, ultimately, by her own actions.
The goals you cite would have been well nigh impossible for Mary to achieve. She was bound while her father was alive to follow his dictates. That is one huge if only you have cited at the end: "if only Henry had allowed it." And you admit that Henry's behavior ruined the opportunity.
It's unfair to put down to Mary's choice her failure to marry the duke, when she had no agency in the matter until much later, when events had made it seem to her that her faith was endangered, and her feelings about it had hardened.
Mary lived in a culture where a princess, no matter what she felt, had to conform to what her father wished.
I always thought it was so interesting how protective the Spanish word towards their English family, but their own Joanna they imprisoned and took all of her rights away and none of her family came to her rescue
Catherine was something of a golden child in her family, and a martyr. Mary, being her daughter, was the same. Joanna was religiously rebellious, and Mary had no real claim to the Spanish throne so she wasn’t a threat. They weren’t really protecting her, but rather the image of her family. They still allowed her to be raised in near poverty
Thanks.
I would feel some sympathy for Mary for what she went through in Edward’s reign, except when the shoe was on the other foot and she was queen, she did to Elizabeth what Edward had done to her. However Elizabeth had no powerful family to protect her, and she was in real danger of execution at one point. Mary clearly wasn’t.
It was a time of great political and religious instability in England, mainly due to H8 reign. The nobility and the kingdom was divided, some were sympathetic to one, some to another, the line of succession was not clear. It was prone to treasons and overturns, your assassin could be your brother, your sister, your cousin, even Mary's own father saw her as a threat at some point in her life (and in fact, he never really stopped seeing her as a threat). It was not due to Mary's or Edward's (who was very young, mainly influenced by his tutors) wickedness, the time, the context made them cruel with one another. If Elizabeth had been in Mary's shoes she would probably do the same thing, Elizabeth is the one who executed her cousin Mary, queen of Scots.
Mary is Edward godmother, they adored one another when he was a small child, if the kingdom was not so divided they would surely have a good relationship
I don’t have much use for religious fanatics of any stripe.
Oh no! They pressurized her! Oh the humanity!!
Greatest Tutor survivor? Hmm? Mary and Elizabeth are the two contenders for the title. Mary survived two kings who may have killed her for her religious beliefs and Elizabeth only one. But Elizabeth survived so very long through the reigns of her father, her brother, and her sister, and then into a world of assassins when she was queen. Tough pick, close race, but just from the number of years I’d go with Elizabeth, but I see your argument.
If Edward had lived, he would probably have been as nasty as his father.
Yeah I could see him slowly turning into his father behaviors, end up being terrible.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 All monarchs around that time did nasty things.
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Prince Edward, later Edward VI.
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No words for the waste of space that was Henry 8th.
Elizabeth was also abused both emotionally and (almost sexually). That's why it damages her to the point of never marrying. Elizabeth is really scared of child birth
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It seems to me that, as bad as things were for Mary, they were for Elisabeth, who had to survive the same treatment as Mary and had to endure the threats of Mary herself once she came to the throne. I therefore do not quite agree that Mary was the greatest Tudor survivor.
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I always wonder why Anne didn’t lobby for “Spanish Mary” (as she called her) death for treason or some other trumpet up charges
As long as she didn't have a living male heir her place as queen wasn't secure (she learned that the hard way a few years later), it was hard for her to lobby for her death, even if she hated the girl. Even H8 in his fury didn't kill her, it was one thing to treat her poorly, but if he shops off her head he makes her a martyr for Catholics, a perfect pretext for riots and rebellion, others Catholics Kingdoms would be horrified (especially Spain), they would probably be glad to feed the fire. Even if he was good for making excuses for his actions and his cruelty, I don't think he wanted to bear the sin of killing his offspring, she was not in open rebellion, with thousands of men to storm him, there was not proof that it was in her mind, he could poorly justify cutting her neck.
this is where you called edward a prick!!!! referenced from another video
The child abuse she received, it is not shocking she went a little mad. Imagine what a great queen she would have been of henry and Anne Bolyn didn't abuse her.
Her mother's doctrinaire Catholicism was a strong influence on some of Mary's negative outcomes as well. She could not compromise.
Henry the 8th was a real piece of work no question, as we see how he treats women no matter who they are and if he doesn't get what he wants they suffer for it. So Mary and her mother's view that the way he was being towards them had anything to do with Anne was in my view misguided, if anything everyone was seeing him for how he truly was and it wasn't pleasant. But the family itself it clearly a mess and there might have been all kinds of different health issues within the family ranging from possible physical health problems to mental and personality disorders which seem to plague nobility and royalty the world over for the most part.
I think Catherine of Aragon Issa much to blame as Henry (if not more) for Mary’s miserable and unhappy early years.
If Catherine had agreed to her separation and divorce fromHenry without trying to hang on to a man who no longer wanted her or
needed to obtain the heir she was now too old to give him life would have been so much better for all three of them! Catherine loved being
a martyr for Christ (Christ didn’t want that for her surely) and it is reasonable to say she lied about not consummating her marriage to Arthur.
She allowed her stubbornness to ruin most of Mary’s life by instilling in her that suffering must be endured for her Catholic faith !!
What a lot of rubbish to saddle her daughter with. She claimed great love for Mary but what she really loved was being a martyr. Any woman
truly loving her child would go thro anything to make her life easier. She knew well that Henry needed a son and she should at least understood
why he needed a divorce - if she loved him as she said she should have agreed and set Mary free too.
Have no excuses for Mary’s murderous behaviour later - God doe not ask us to kill those that are not Catholic !! True horror of which I hope
Mary recognised in her heart - a pity she did not repent of it.
Sorry to have gone on so long.
@@savannahbyrd7884 Anne of Cleves didn’t suffer by agreeing with an annulment, so I’m not sure why you’d think Queen Katherine would.
If she accepted the annulment she would’ve had to admit she committed adultery and make her beloved child illegitimate. She thought it would condemn her soul.
@@savannahbyrd7884 Not sure if victim blaming.. Catherine was raised to be queen of England since birth and was from a great family so that sense of self importance was there... Just because she was female don't mean she was a victim ...hell, she was a match for Henry will wise and I'm not surprised she didn't bend ...
Anne was an honourable very religious woman. Why should she claim her marriage invalid and her daughter illegitimate! Henry didn’t think so when he sought permission to marry her! She was a princess in her own right and he treated her abominably due to his lust for Anne Boleyn.
This would be like blaming Anne for her execution, because technically she could have accepted an annulment or accepted being Henry's mistress instead of a Queen, but she didn't. And because of this she made life hard for her and her daughter. Henry is to blame, not Catherine or Anne
I find it interesting that Mary clashed with the two Queens who were related to each other. Coincidence? I think not
I wonder too if there was some hostility because KH was AB's cousin...
@@helend7542 that was false, you must be relying on the show the tudors. The real Catherine Howard wasn’t nastier to Mary.
By the way by Henry the viii will and how he changed the succession of the English throne and declared both Mary and Elizabeth in line to the throne and he decided to put his younger sister Mary Tudor grandkids and put his older sister Margaret Tudor grand kids after Mary so does that mean that Mary grand kinds had better English claim then Margaret but however I do understand the hole reason why Elizabeth excluded Katharine grey and Mary grey because they both married without the queen permission so if they didn’t and there marriages were valid and obviously in parliament in 1560 they were pressuring Elizabeth to name Katherine grey her air but both Mary and Katherine were dead because of heartbreak and Elizabeth decided that Katherine sons were illegitimate if they weren’t then they would have taken the English throne right ? Or would there have been a war between Mary great grand son and Margaret great grand son James since when James took the English throne people from the British court were questioning if he should be king after Henry the 8th will decided to put his younger sister mary Tudor grand daughters over margret Tudor grand daughter Mary Queen of Scots right?
Yes, by Henry VIII's will the descendants of Mary Tudor, Queen of France had a better claim than the descendants of her sister, Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland. However Margaret's descendants (as she was the elder sister) had a better claim by the rules of seniority. The descendants of the Grey sisters would have had a hard job fending off James VI of Scotland I think. He was a Protestant King, just up the road in Scotland with his own army to support him. Having him take the throne also brought the two kingdoms together under a regal union and more or less solved the age-old problem of Anglo-Scottish wars (until the Jacobite era at least, but that's another story).
@@HistoryCalling yeah I agree but we can say that if Elizabeth did name one of the grey girls if they were alive or if there kids or descendent were alive then I guess we can say that Mary Tudor dissendants could be monarchs if they are liked in the English court very popular in England and France then I guess james can’t really do anything to them who know do you think lady Katherine grey descendants are still alive
I'm not certain but I think descendants of both Frances Brandon Grey and her sister, Eleanor Brandon Clifford, are still alive.
@@HistoryCalling oh okay thanks did you know this that Elizabeth the 1 laddies have had a really long life’s as in some of them died on there 80s and 90s very impressive what do you think
No, I didn't know that. Good genes I guess! :-)
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I feel so bad for Mary. She was at the mercy of hormonal angry men
Hormonal Men? LOL You are gaslighting.
Hormonal is right. Yikes. Couldn't keep it in his pants for !@#$. Too bad his obsession for a son was his downfall.
@@ARedMagicMarker It wasn't his downfall (did he have a downfall??). but it certainly was the downfall of others.
@@edithengel2284 He downfall-ed himself and dragged others with him.
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Those Tudor kings were a nasty set of chauvinists…
You're thinking too much like the 21st century. Radical Protestantism (a progressive movement) did more to hurt Mary than chauvinism.
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I was waiting for this! Thanks! My thoughts: I don't understand why she wanted to be queen after all she's been through in her own country, she could have just gone away for real and maybe married somebody freely without all these many restrictions... I don't understand her religious fanatism even though I know it came early from her mother and later by other influencers. But honestly, Has this god (who she loved so much )ever listened to her? I know it's a matter of faith and not reward to be a true religious person, but this woman must not be right in the head to behave like this! Her half sister was smarter and happier than her! Thanks again for your beautiful video! 😍
As for why she wanted to be Queen, I think it was a lot of things. For starters, she firmly believed that it was her right. Second, she wanted to return England to Catholicism. Third, there would have been no peace for her in exile. She would always have been a threat to whoever was on the throne and she would have been hunted as a result (much like her grandfather Henry VII and his claim to the throne was much weaker than hers). Finally, she would have had to rely on the charity of her foreign relations to support her (as Charles II would later have to do). Regarding her religious beliefs, probably no one but her could explain exactly what she thought about all her trials and tribulations, but I do think her faith brought her a lot of comfort too. Glad you liked the video :-)
Mary seemed like a good person and a terrible monarch, Elizabeth was a great monarch but seemed a selfish private person. It definitely seems like the indoctrination ran too deep with Mary, perhaps she felt that obligated? Or maybe she just thought a position of power was her only safety?
@@a.munroe Yes, I think she was more or less a good person who had bad things happen to her so often that eventually it got to her. As for religion, it's probably difficult to understand from a modern perspective, but people living in that era were just soooo religious. They all would have been what we might now refer to as indoctrinated. Think how many of them were willing to die for their religion for instance, whether it was Protestantism or Catholicism. Mary wasn't that different to those around her, she just had the power to enforce her will on all of them. Yes, I do think being Queen was about safety too, amongst many other things. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Well, she did have a psychosomatic pregnancy, so “not right in the head” is probably not an entirely unfair thing to say.
@@HistoryCalling sorry I just realized wasn't clear, by indoctrination I meant that her right to the throne from a purely pragmatic stand point as well. She's got epic grandparents. Very famous. It would be terrifying to do them justice under the circumstances of her life.😱
She has a right to believe in god if she wants. They grew up with that. And it teaches good things for living a life .
No one, as far as I can see, has said she shouldn't believe--but trying to force a whole nation to worship as she did was wrong, and the punishments for worshipping outside the Catholic Church were cruel.
@@edithengel2284 I think that there was no way there that in that time you could say believe what you want . But it was a bloody mess and killing all the time back then. Talk about people pollution control!
By the way love your content imagine if Henry the 8 never killed Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard and he divorced them then could they have still been alive during Elizabeth reign what do you think and love your accent and content amazing and I am so fascinated with the tudors or do you think something could have happened to them during Edward vi and Mary 1 reign
Sadly, he could never have let them live as any other children he had by another wife would have been tainted with illegitimacy, just as Elizabeth was because she was born during Catherine of Aragon's lifetime. I can't really imagine what would have happened if they'd still been alive as I'm just so sure it would never have happened. Maybe a life in exile for Anne, although it would have been politically messy for any foreign country to take her in.
Yeah I mean let’s just say Henry the 8 did not have them killed and both out lived him I think when Mary the 1 takes the throne and if Anne Boleyn was still alive and was not in another country I think she would have been killed right away right and same with Catherine Howard since both of them Mary seems to hate right but thanks keep up with your videos loving history
@@raumaanking Yes, I don't think AB would have been on Mary's Christmas card list, that's for sure :-) As for Catherine Howard, Mary wasn't her biggest fan, but I don't know that she would have hated her enough to kill her, not unless Catherine had done something else in the interim to anger Mary. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@HistoryCalling and as a minor English noblewoman, AB lacked the international dynastic connections that could have guaranteed her some measure of safety abroad, like it probably would have had either Catherine or Mary fled to Spain or any other Hapsburg territory. AB was also extremely unpopular in most European courts as was generally seen by Catholic Europe as a usurper, and thus had no friends she could turn to for external support and protection from Henry. I think this may have been an unforeseen side effect of Henry’s English marriages. The convoluted annulment of his initial Spanish match proved it was easier to dispose of a wife who was also a subject. There would be fewer international repercussions.
@@johntshorter Excellent points. I agree that Catherine of Aragon and/or Mary would have had an easier time on the continent in the 1530s than Anne. Thanks for watching and commenting.
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I think Mary was a good older sibling to Elizabeth and Edward.
Except perhaps when she wanted to have Elizabeth executed. (Actually, I agree that she was meant by nature to be a sweet person, and was indeed a good sister for a long time.)
Dear History Calling. Great video, thank you very much!
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I am sorry, I don't agree. Elizabeth (to become Elizabeth I) is the greatest Tudor survivor. Age wise, she lived the longest -- most Tudor dyeing in their 50's or younger, Elizabeth lived to be 70. She lived though much of the political and religious termol as Mary, but didn't have the powerful support of the Spanish Crown. At one point the King of Spain threatened war if Mary wasn't given her freedom of religion. Elizabeth had no support, but still managed to survive. Mary spent over 9 years as legitimate, which also continued with most of the world despite her own father denying her legitimacy. Except for a few years while her mother lived, Elizabeth was called illegitimate, even by her father. The world also called her illegitimate even during the years her mother lived as queen. Elizabeth had next to nothing in power, not even heir apparent until Mary became queen. Yet she survived and even became one of the greatest monarchs England has ever known.
Finally someone with a little sense...and Elizabeth did not become a mass murdering religious zealot like BLOODY MARY!
Yeah she is my vote.
Survivor - Tudor Era.
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@@johnleepettimoreiii65 Yes she did, idk where you guys learn your history. Queen Elizabeth had killed more people than Queen Mary. She even killed her close relatives due to her fear getting older and thinking her relatives will take her throne from her. Before she died she had visions about people she has ordered to be killed, including Queen Mary of Scots. She regretted it and feared she'll be in dark place after she dies. Also Queen Elizabeth stole some of Queen Mary's ideas to help England prosper. Some credit goes to Queen Mary too.
Actually, Elizabeth WAS illegitimate (Henry VIII had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled prior to her death).
Despite their greatness... the Tutors are a bunch to avoid as my Scottish Grandfather would say.. Of course we probably know more of them than other rulers.
Has anyone found who probably infected Edward? Or is it all just a guess as no-one has really tried to nail down his illness.?
Edward died of tuberculosis which was a major killer well into the 20th century. Only the discovery of antibiotics and widespread vaccination halted it's deadly progress in the USA.
I love anne bolyen but her having a miscarriage st the same day as catherine funeral is karma
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The fact that that scuzz ball chuck shumer was on you advertisements turned me off. Sorry. I love history.
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I prefer Edward over Mary.
She was terrible, after all the suffering she went through you would have thought she would have learnt a thing or two about kindness, but nope...as soon as she rose to power became bloody Mary proving she was just as bad...the greatest Tudor definitely was Elizabeth
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@@chanedwards5295 yeh well... I suppose another common case of not knowing better...I am close with a few people who were raised by abusive parents, however they are gentle and kind individuals that by no means repeat or exhibit that sort of behaviour...there are so many variables in human behaviour I suppose... I think we are largely who we are in life because of personal decisions, but as I mentioned, many individuals don't know any better and have to go through a slow journey of changing their mindset if they decide to do so...Mary Tudor, gosh it looks like nothing really worked out for her...became a tyrant like her dad, rushing to produce an heir and failed almost like divine providence wasn't even on her side
Due to English history being written in Protestant point of view. They tarnished Queen Mary reign and called her bloody Mary for killing protestants. In reality she gaved them a chance until rebellion broke out. She believed her sister was behind it but spared her sister. Killed the people who was involved in the rebellion. She seen them as threat to her crown. Another thing her father and Queen Elizabeth killed more people than she ever did. There no good or bad here, people who were protecting their power over people.
@@chanedwards5295 Or doormats.
It was very sad the way Anne brainwashed Henry to hate his own daughter. Henry asked for a Papal dispensation in order to marry Catherine of Aragon, most forget this fact.
Anne most certainly did NOT brainwash Henry to hate Mary. Mary's treatment actually WORSENED after Anne died and didn't get better until she fully submitted to him. And nobody forgets about that dispensation. FFS, the SEXISM in these comments just REEKS.
@@elisabetta611 Well, that is your opinion. Sexism? Wait, SEXISM? 😜
It was most definitely Henry’s own decision. Don’t excuse that horrible man by blaming it on a “home wrecker” He went about and repeated his atrocities throughout his life. He was the instigator and the one to blame.
Although these videos are fantastic. You are clearly showing a bias. Anne wasnt some evil step mother who abused mary , she didnt stop Henry from doing so but half of part 1s apparent abuse to mary is frankly a lie . Jane also aasnt some lovely woman she didnt help mary out of the kindness of her heart .
anne was an evil step mother tho
@@marishkaaaa-r0p No she wasn't at all. In fact Anne defended Mary a lot and tried to persuade Henry to treat his daughter nicer.
@@marishkaaaa-r0p She actually did reach out to Mary several times, but since everything depended on Mary's acknowledging Anne as Henry's wife, Mary never responded favorably. Chapuys, the Spanish ambassador is the source of a lot of the evil stepmother information, and he hated Anne. And Henry treated Mary even more harshly after Anne was dead, so it is likely the lion's share, if not all, of the blame was his.
Religion and politics have always been one and the same.
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Definitely not the greatest Tudor; and she didn't survive. So, no. Definitely not the greatest Tudor survivor.
Overall easily one of the top ten worst monarchs in European history and top three worst in English history. If it wasn't for her traitorous disloyalty to England, genocidal violence against Protestants to include her own servants and nobles, betrayal of British self-sovereignties to Spain and by extension to Rome, betrayal of her own mother's brave patience and many selfless sacrifices, betrayal of her own father's patriotism and many profound reforms; if not for these and more of Mary's profound failings, England would never have been forced into its Civil War.
She is the only reason the UK will never again have a Catholic monarch. Which is a shame.
She is the only reason the UK preferred to have a literal Dutchman on the throne than another secretly Catholic or secretly homosexual Scot.
She is the only reason there are literally Germans on the throne today. But, at least they're not Catholic is the ratioanlization. See the enduring harm Mary did?
A truly horrible queen. England would have been better off and for 500 years if she had the balls to leave like The O'Neill and others. She would have been happy and successful with her mother's family in Spain, or perhaps married to some murderous unchristian hypocrite soul mate in Rome?
On the other hand, Mary's evil conduct is one of the principal reasons the United States and many other countries have religious freedom and a constitutional separation or church and state. So that's quite an accomplishment at a species level. It's just unfortunate that she was more interested in terrorizing her own kingdom(s) than competently ruling them.
Mary always gets a bad press but I like her more than Elizabeth and the rest,she was a good Catholic and a decent person she doesn't deserve the title of bloody Mary she killed no more than the rest of them
She set 287 people on fire. In 5 years. If she had ruled as long as Elizabeth and kept that murder rate, she would have burnt 2,525 people alive. Elizabeth executed less than 200 in 44 years, and she executed them in a far more humane manner. Henry was worse than both of them, but he’s rightfully remembered as a tyrant. Sugar coating Mary is pointless. It’s a fact that she was a religious zealot who enjoyed executing those who opposed her religion
Mary was supposed to be queen
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@@leefr76 She has one.
I'd don't buy the excuses. She is called 'Bloody Mary' for good reason, she was an evil vindictive witch.
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She was called Bloody Mary due to English history being written in Protestant point of view. They tarnished her reign and insulted her. If you want know about someone being bloody. Look no further than her father and sister who killed more people than she did.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 Errrr, no she's called Bloody Mary because she was an evil murdering Catholic witch. As for her father and sister, Henry reigned for 36 years and Elizabeth for 43 compared to her circa 3 - and Elizabeth promoted religious tolerance.
@@O.O.O.K999 Elizabeth was only tolerant until she gotten older. She only called Bloody Mary due to Protestant writing English history after Queen Elizabeth took over, basically tarnishing Queen Mary completely. That why King Henry and Queen Elizabeth are not called names and has been treated well through out history compared to Mary.
@@BiG-JuPO1O1 From your grammar it would appear you are not English. I'll stick with the documented evidence from our history and the knowledge of all the historians who disagree with you. You are also wrong about Henry not being called names, he is regarded as a tyrant and a wife murderer.
Bloody Mary.