The Real Celtic Meaning of the River Windrush Recorded in the Saxon Charters of Gloucestershire
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- These are the northern, Anglo-Saxon boundary landmarks of Cold Aston in Gloucs (Gloucestershire) from AD770 cross-refenced with the charter of Bourton-on-the-Water giving us the Celtic/Welsh/Romano-British name of the river Windrush.
These history walk videos are about the English landscape in and around the south west of England (though I make the odd foray into Wales). I often use ancient charters (such as Saxon charters) to give me insight into the way the landscape was viewed in the past.
But it is not the Saxons that interest me the most (though they do) but the prehistoric world and its ancient monuments, trackways and ditches.
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Thank you once again
Thanks Rhys
AWESOME👍👍 glad to find this🥰 THANKS Paul Whitewick❤️
Congrats on the 1k subs milestone. Thank you for creating and sharing
Thank you Jerry
Congratulations on 1000! Well deserved, your videos are beautifully shot and so fascinating. Thank you!
Thanks for the shoutout, Tom. I really appreciate the support you've given to my channel too. We all seem to be creating content that is gradually building an audience - really positive. I particularly like it when I hear that folk have been motivated to go out and explore. What more could we wish for?
Lovely Welsh survivals there. I'm going to sound a bit mumbo jumbo here, but I find that the Cotswolds often has an ancient feel! The countryside looked great, by the way.
Onwards and upwards, as they say!
I hope you’re not really thinking about getting a job. You’ve done your bit. Resist!
Well done on the channel growth, much deserved :)
Thank you, sir.
Lovely landscape Tom, congrats on the subscribers.
Thank you. It was lovely but that is to be expected that far up the Cotswolds
Extremely interesting, supremely filmed. A delight; thank you. Another subscriber captured!
Great video. Love ur work!!
Thank you, Thomas
I wish you all the best with the channel, it's good to see someone whose channel is doing well.
If this were in Cornwall or West Devon I'd have roughly translated it as 'White Ford' or 'Gwynn Rys'.
I do have a problem with this though as 'white' - 'gwynn' would normally have followed 'ford'-'rys'. Though that rule isn't set in stone.
I also wonder about 'Bedwyn'/ 'Bedwindan' could it possibly be 'Bedh Gwynn' - 'White Grave' assuming it's in the chalk area, just a thought using modern Cornish.
If you are ever on Dartmoor and fancy a collab let me know, mine is a pre-history/camping channel where I also try to work out the names of places on the western moor.
Enjoying the content, especially the panorama views down toward the river bottom as well as the Old-English pronunciation guide, (my college English Lit. memories of "Beowulf" are a bit rusty.)
Indulge me in a way-off-topic question: at the (9:47 mark) is that a nature-viewing platform/treehouse built into the fenced-in, monstrous Oak, (upper left corner of the screen)? My eye was drawn to it like a magnet.
Congrats on the 1K+ subscribership and keep 'em coming; it's rather a pleasant way to spend a Sunna morgen.
Cheers! from a transplanted Canadian (with Deep UK roots) now in the Willamette Valley in the Oregon Country.
Simon really needs to be guest in a reasonable priced hedge! Question, do we know that the Anglo Saxons knew "Strete" as Roman, purely because any reasonable size town or city in the UK with that name in it lies on a formal Roman Road? Or is there more evidence.
I’m being good and accepting the word of my betters, even though scepticism is creeping into my voiceovers. I believe the reason for it is (a) etymology, the word stræte is borrowed from Latin, strata, and it describes the design of Roman roads. Bear in mind nobody else paved roads in this part of the world apart from the Romans. And (b) stræte is also described for locations on what we would think are properly straight military roads and not just the wobbly ones I seem to find. Grundy says that these obvious prehistoric ridgeways were Romanised, that is paved.
Thinking awritten, what might be occuring is that a fast, well connected network between walled population centres might be what the A-S are calling stræte, but that is speculation. Someone young and who can read OE ought to do a Phd on this subject. Once Simon has come and endured Hectoring a Historian by a Hedge on my channel perhaps he could start work on it.
@AllotmentFox my main thought here is... assuming it's true (and why wouldn't it be), that the AS's knew this road or that road to be Roman, in whatever form. Assuming that.... we NEED to map them.
I thought Strasse was German? Isn't it Anglish? Also street means gate in Norwegian. And Straat is road in Dutch. Straid in goidelic. But Stryd in Brythanic.
@@pwhitewick I feel the same need. We need a methodology, a checklist or something. It is possible to get every stræt in every charter (less easy now Langscape is gone) and add up all those that are ridgeways and all those that are straight military roads. That might tell us something. But it really is a massive project. The Saxons didn’t care about antiquity, historical accuract or posterity, only recording what belonged to them.
@@AndyJarman they are not just all Indo-European languages but influenced by the Romans
Congratulations on 1k (and climbing) Tom. Can’t wait until you stick another RUclipsr in a hedge!!
Was the spelling of the Old English for big river ‘ere’ or ‘irre’. The Old English Translator has ‘ea’ but your version sounded like it had ‘r’ in it?
@@wattster71 Ea. Because the Saxons pronounced their rs, if it had one I might’ve been able to carry off something like err-ruh. But it doesn’t.
@@AllotmentFox Thank you.
1hk- congrats!
Interesting video. A constructive criticism: sound level too low apart from the musical sections where it's too high!
Yes other people have complained. It sounds right on my machine but I suspect it might be smoothing the sound levels for me without my knowing. I have executed my sound engineer and will monitor the situation myself. Thanks for lettingme know
Sitting here in Perth in Western Australia, I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a hobbit wandering down that lane
@@AndyJarman i’m too big to be a hobbit. There are a few Ents in the charters by the way and sometimes in barrows. Ent means a mythical giant creature.
Bogland....Valleys....national Royal parks
There's a Brig O'Turk locally to me, however Torc is the Gaelic for boar. Welsh for boar or pig sounds nothing like it but there may be an Indo-European root somewhere.
Have you read 'Unroman Britain' by Russell and Laycock. I can't say that I agree with all of its at times interpretive findings but as a general concept I'd be inclined towards it. It might be appropriate for your neck of the woods.
Well deserved 1.2k subscribers ... far too little for the charm of the channel.
@@iainmc9859 you’re too kind. The Torc reference is interesting. What is the Welsh just out of interest?
@@AllotmentFox Baedd for boar, Mochyn for pig. Doesn't sound anything like torc.
There's an awful lot of Turk's head and Boar's heads pub though ... probably totally unrelated 😆
The Welsh word is...Twrc. the w part sounds close to southern English pronounciation of look/ book/ hook but a bit broader.
Lovely to share my language, Cymraeg, thank you. The centuries-old attitide to Welsh has not been so kind !
That’s interesting. I see no mention of a possible Welsh origin of Turkdean in my books. Obviously -dean is English (valley). I wish I knew how academics decide whether something is Welsh or not. I’m guessing, from long experience, that if there is an English option that takes precedence but I don’t recognise an English name Turca or a topographic word. We might be on to something here. By the way, I have been collecting Welsh names in West England and mapping them, developing the idea that sub-Romano-British resistance to the English was significant in Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset and Devon (half of Hampshire). There is quite a lot if it. Thanks for letting me know that, that’s quite exciting.
@@cymraesfalch Correction: the English Place Name Survey does have Welsh river name Twrch (boar). Sad that we don’t have a new theory for a place but it leaves me on safer ground quoting the authorities!
Old British, or Romano British is NOT Welsh. Welsh developed after the Romans period, in Wales. The whole of Britain never spoke a single language, but there were regional differences. In the east it is likely that there were Germanic speakers even before the arrival of the Romans, because of repeated migrations from northern Europe, long before .
I will never stop giving the Welsh credit for the prehistory of this country. It is a conscious, political choice not a mistake and is intended, in my own humble way, to help reframe the narrative of the history of Britain. They did speak a single language: Celtic-P.
Sorry but you are wrong. The 'celts' & the various dialects were always mostly restricted to the western parts of Britain, as with their relatives on the Atlantic coast from Iberia to Ireland, pretty much the same areas that the languages remained until recently.
Wales as a place name, & Welsh as a language, did not emerge until the migration period & the Middle Ages.
The idea of a totally 'Welsh' Britain in pre history is a modern myth, created by Welsh & French antiquarians who hated the idea of a Germanic Europe. It was bias & propaganda, because of their own political agenda, which became orthodoxy even though they were wrong.@@AllotmentFox
@@danielferguson3784 I thought you might say something unexpected and I was right. How do you explain all the Celtic river names in the east as well as the west? Names later kept by the English?
Indo European