Elden Ring - Waking up the giants

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  • Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024

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  • @ZullietheWitch
    @ZullietheWitch  2 года назад +7973

    You can see inside the Great Jar if you get right up next to it, as the dither fadeout will make part of it transparent, which will let you see some odd black shapes inside it. Several players asked me what it was, but it's actually just the Great Jar's legs tucked up inside it.

  • @Kurai_69420
    @Kurai_69420 2 года назад +2597

    Greyoll is the most powerful enemy in the series, her attacks are aimed at your pc.

    • @letwolf
      @letwolf 2 года назад +16

      God forbid, WHY HER? Not HIM? That's a dragon, not a dragoness!

    • @Kirokill1
      @Kirokill1 2 года назад +300

      @@letwolf Greyoll’s roar description. She’s the mother of many dragons.

    • @letwolf
      @letwolf 2 года назад +10

      @@Kirokill1 oh okay. i knew Alduin was a woman too xD

    • @maneater2066
      @maneater2066 2 года назад +70

      Whenever I fought Fortissax and he did his AoE lightning attack (such as at the start of the fight) I had to run up to him and look at him and not at the attack or my GPU would inevitably run into a bug and crash my game.
      Legit the first boss I ever fought that attacked my PC directly

    • @Kurai_69420
      @Kurai_69420 2 года назад +56

      @@letwolf Pretty sure it's the mother of the 5 dragons near it.

  • @aidenmclaughlin1076
    @aidenmclaughlin1076 2 года назад +11607

    I just love all of the messages in front of the Great Jar that just say “god”

    • @arifhossain9751
      @arifhossain9751 2 года назад +843

      "oh, jar of the giants, what is your wisdom?"

    • @CrispyGFX
      @CrispyGFX 2 года назад +1177

      Jar spelled backwards is God.

    • @wealthybone2990
      @wealthybone2990 2 года назад +391

      I mean if you seen a jar like that wouldn't you call it a God? Literally unkillable

    • @aidenmclaughlin1076
      @aidenmclaughlin1076 2 года назад +155

      @@CrispyGFX Of course! I should’ve seen it

    • @soulsorrys
      @soulsorrys 2 года назад +326

      i left one of those messages. it carried me through the later half of the game

  • @SuperSky9
    @SuperSky9 2 года назад +5569

    Imagine being so powerful you start tearing up reality just by flexing your wings.

    • @elekiddo
      @elekiddo 2 года назад +2

      “Yo mama so fat,every time she stretches it’s lagging the fabric of reality”

    • @StudioMod
      @StudioMod 2 года назад +105

      that's badass. there should be something like that worked into the lore lol

    • @EldestOrion
      @EldestOrion 2 года назад +296

      @@StudioMod Thats not too dissimilar to what is the lore around dragons, actually. Dragons, Ancient Dragons specifically, had the ability to warp time, and this ability somehow allowed them to harm and kill other gods. This is why the Ancient Dragon and Ancient Somber Dragon Smithing Stones are the final upgrades needed to forge a "god-killing" weapon. This is also why the Ancient Dragons were hunted and warred against, to protect Marika's undying Golden Order.

    • @ZZMonkeysUncleZZ
      @ZZMonkeysUncleZZ 2 года назад +72

      Imagine how bad it would be if Gransax was ever animated.

    • @en-men-lu-ana6870
      @en-men-lu-ana6870 2 года назад +117

      @@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ He just twitches, and the game will just shit itself.

  • @jonathancapps1103
    @jonathancapps1103 2 года назад +4314

    I used to work in an Amazon facility that was about the width and length of Greyoll. It took almost 3 minutes to walk the length of it. Any creature that big would be mind-numbingly terrifying.

    • @theyondant6088
      @theyondant6088 2 года назад +806

      It's terrifying when you consider raw size, but Greyoll is a Dragon at that so please consider:
      1) Greyoll's fire breath would wipe all visible terrain out of existence in front of it
      2) That warehouse sized monster can FLY.

    • @BackwardsPancake
      @BackwardsPancake 2 года назад +831

      Agreed, but it's not like the Amazon warehouse isn't plenty terrifying too.
      I mean, of the two, one is a brutal, uncaring and inescapable force-majeure which sees you as an utterly disposable insect, while the other one just breathes fire.

    • @walter1383
      @walter1383 2 года назад +107

      Coming across Greyoll for the first time brought back a feeling of awe that I've only ever felt once before in a video game, and that was years ago when I first played Shadow of the Colossus. Couldn't help but just stand still as this behemoth slowly raised it's head and roared just feet away from my character.

    • @jonathancapps1103
      @jonathancapps1103 2 года назад +59

      @@BackwardsPancake It was just a relatively smallish shipping facility; Amazon warehouses are much bigger. We just received boxes from various warehouses, and sorted them by zip code before sending them out to post offices in the eastern half of the state.

    • @BloodyAshes
      @BloodyAshes 2 года назад +17

      @@theyondant6088 all I've learned from this is that the average isekai protagonist would be evenly matched

  • @DeathTheManiac
    @DeathTheManiac 2 года назад +1817

    Greyoll is so powerful that it warps space-time itself when moving and can even cause the very world to be erased with her fire breath
    This is now official lore for why she causes lag and crashes

    • @letwolf
      @letwolf 2 года назад +9

      Hey, he is not Alduin , just common greyoll

    • @zacheryeckard3051
      @zacheryeckard3051 2 года назад +72

      @@letwolf She, actually. The game tells us that she's, well, a she.

    • @hououinkyouma3864
      @hououinkyouma3864 2 года назад +67

      Imagine being a literal fucking God and then a fucking level 10 tarnished comes along and fucks you up with his stupidly broken bleed, and you are unable to do anything about it

    • @callmekrause4556
      @callmekrause4556 2 года назад

      @Thunder Life Studios it’s okay she’s an enemy so you’re supposed to kill her

    • @MammalianCreature
      @MammalianCreature 2 года назад +26

      @Thunder Life Studios Elden Ring fans running into Malenia for the first time:

  • @OhMercyMe
    @OhMercyMe 2 года назад +1421

    it is still AGONIZING to me that the Great Jar and Alexander never meet or share any moments at all

    • @aswifte5743
      @aswifte5743 2 года назад +198

      The colosseums/duelists are unfinished content I believe

    • @jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798
      @jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 2 года назад +21

      @@aswifte5743 why would they put it out unfinished like that? Maybe dlc?

    • @guythatsepic
      @guythatsepic 2 года назад +220

      @@jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 dlc, or it could easily be time/budget constraints that didn't allow them to finish it

    • @keltzar1
      @keltzar1 2 года назад +220

      @@jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 Every Dark Souls has unfinished content, Zullie's got a lot of videos about that.

    • @henriquefinger935
      @henriquefinger935 2 года назад +50

      Probably will be the PvP arena in a future patch.

  • @mihirlavande
    @mihirlavande 2 года назад +718

    I love the idea of Zullie just poking the great jar with a stick, going "do something".

  • @Handelo
    @Handelo 2 года назад +378

    Crashes aside, the "lag" in Greyoll's animation isn't actually lag, or at least not fully. It's also a technique called keyframe downsampling (not sure of the official name), that's used for most enemies in the game - the game loads less animation keyframes for enemies further away to save on processing power. Greyoll is just so big that you have to be very far away from her to be able to fully see her, which triggers this effect. See at 2:00 how she moves at a different framerate from your character.

    • @Kryptnyt
      @Kryptnyt Год назад +8

      I think it looks a bit like Harryhausen monsters which makes it somewhat appealing

    • @defnotathot
      @defnotathot 6 месяцев назад +2

      that happens a lot in dying light, never knew there is a word for that - ty!

    • @jstar3382
      @jstar3382 6 месяцев назад +4

      Nah, the rain itself slows down when she moves. Some of the appearance of lag is just from that, but the game itself is lagging heavily

    • @mikebrazier1558
      @mikebrazier1558 4 месяца назад

      Having a shit graphics card is the blame. Funny how this doesn't happen on xb or ps.
      Time you upgraded

    • @Handelo
      @Handelo 4 месяца назад +2

      @@mikebrazier1558 You get a lot of mods working on xbox and ps?

  • @Subjectively
    @Subjectively 2 года назад +2878

    If you can, I’d love to see the cutscene for Rykard’s transformation broken down. The way his face materializes after the serpent rears up is so bizarre. I’m not sure if Elden Ring cutscenes work the same way DS cutscenes do, though.

    • @andrewp6738
      @andrewp6738 2 года назад +8

      hiiiiiiii jack subjectively

    • @MrBulbo-oz1es
      @MrBulbo-oz1es 2 года назад +371

      As far as I remember you can actually see his face, albeit with eyes closed, before second phase. It’s just difficult because that serpent moves around so much.

    • @kevinuribe318
      @kevinuribe318 2 года назад +48

      @@MrBulbo-oz1es I also thought this too I remember being able to see his eyes closed.

    • @Felrohan
      @Felrohan 2 года назад +217

      I'm pretty sure his face is always there, it's just hard to see because it's on top of the snake for the first phase. Then he turns around for the second phase, it's basically Voldemort and Professor Quirrell

    • @thefinaldovah9324
      @thefinaldovah9324 2 года назад +19

      BonfireVPN has a video doing exactly this btw

  • @spiralistichope9216
    @spiralistichope9216 2 года назад +4607

    Now that's a mountain-sized dragon, just like the lore says! I always feel bad for Greyoll and am generally unwilling to kill her, there's something tragic about her just laying there in the ravaged wilds of Caelid, a monument of an ancient time just like Gransax, but still alive.

    • @PhantomTissue
      @PhantomTissue 2 года назад +997

      okay but, and hear me out for a sec, ez runes

    • @ObligatoryBook
      @ObligatoryBook 2 года назад +355

      @@PhantomTissue Bandit class, power stance starting dagger with Reduvia, ez money

    • @Quothmorgan
      @Quothmorgan 2 года назад

      I just rationalize killing her as a mercy kill, since she can barely even move and seems to be in great pain when she does. It feels good to grant her a release from pain, and I'm honoring her by giving her that warrior's death.

    • @hellfirebr9070
      @hellfirebr9070 2 года назад +1237

      i see killing her more of a spare than cruelty
      she is an old dragon afflicted with scarlet rot, slowly and painfuly dying alongside her offspring

    • @toobig7150
      @toobig7150 2 года назад +852

      i would argue killing her is mercy: Caelid is actively torturing any living being who settles on it for too long, even Demigods, she is literally stuck in the ground and all she can do is roar at you, and most likely use her sons/daugthers to get food.
      Its mercy at that point, just like killing most of the poor undead dogs on the Souls series.

  • @Mekose
    @Mekose 2 года назад +187

    I genuinely thought Greyoll was some kind of game design trick and that she was actually split up into either two NPCS (front half/back half) or a portion of her was objects or that she didn't have a full model underneath the terrain. I'm amazed the game actually handles a dragon npc that big; even if she's just laying down the whole time. I guess it makes sense if she's just a scaled up version of the other dragons; so it's not like she has more polys than the other dragons.

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 Год назад +3

      that is something they did do with the dead dragons, but apparently not the living ones.

  • @RegalRoyalWasTaken
    @RegalRoyalWasTaken 2 года назад +182

    Greyoll: moves
    The fabric of reality: *nope, aint dealin with this today*

  • @kaguwu
    @kaguwu 2 года назад +127

    suddenly very glad we never got to fight the great jar

    • @gummyboots
      @gummyboots 2 года назад +14

      I wish she set its HP to zero so we can see the giant cracking and splattering animation and effects

    • @corywilson2974
      @corywilson2974 2 года назад +4

      @@gummyboots You could just push it off the cliff to kill it. That's what I did.

    • @nomecognome6713
      @nomecognome6713 2 года назад +1

      @@corywilson2974 saw a video about the fortress being pushed down a cliff, now I feel the urge to try to push everything

    • @Zyk0th
      @Zyk0th Месяц назад

      @@gummyboots She did in her "Killing everything that can't be killed" video.

  • @MaybyAGhost
    @MaybyAGhost 2 года назад +550

    I just want the Great Jar to be acknowledged by some future dialogue/item descriptions.
    I couldn't help but openly laugh when I first encountered it, instantly wrote "Didn't expect God, but behold! God.".
    Now I just need to know the lore behind this absolute chonker of a Jar.

    • @samuelconnel2166
      @samuelconnel2166 2 года назад +188

      It's funny because that Jar is probably Elden Lord level, but instead it just stands there with its arms crossed, like the giga-chad it is, and just runs a fight club for ants.

    • @Exyllis
      @Exyllis Год назад +18

      its probably just there to store the caelid colloseum’s corpses and the corpses it gets from the fight club also the fact that it is guarded by stone cluster and magic golems implies that either it only takes the finest warrior (anyone who can get past the golems and complete the trial) or that someone didn’t want it to get stronger. Considering how powerful Alexander got with his normal size, the great jar could probably become elden lord if it tried due to it having way more size and tons more corpses

    • @eminkilicaslan8945
      @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +3

      I need a server GPU like Arc 6000 just to watch those two titans fight.

    • @AdamOwenBrowning
      @AdamOwenBrowning 8 месяцев назад +3

      There is no lore. It's a jar and you fight 3 of his champions for a reward
      Because this game is so, much, bigger than any Fromsoft project, it contains a STUNNING amount of unfinished content, it can't be handwaved away as a simple part of the process - there's tons of it and it makes the game worse
      Elden Ring has more unfinished stuff crammed into it than any other Fromsoft game, resulting in weirdness like merchant kalé unlocking a gesture and unlocking the first steps of Blaidd's questline. You'll access these first few steps from luck not judgement...
      Some quests were so unfinished, like Diallos, that they added Jar-bairn, an NPC that verbally explains what Diallos is doing. That's crappy writing when you need to write another character solely to explain what other characters are doing, AFTER you finish and sell the game!
      In patches 1.0x you'd simply find Diallos dead surrounded by smashed jars

  • @leanderbenn9146
    @leanderbenn9146 2 года назад +185

    When the great jar mobilises, it's game over for the warring demigods...

    • @douglasbacagini9866
      @douglasbacagini9866 2 года назад +3

      You can fight him in the third phase of Rutger’s quest. Not a big challenge tought.

    • @leanderbenn9146
      @leanderbenn9146 2 года назад +5

      @@douglasbacagini9866 doesnt say anywhere I've seen about fighting him. And who is Rutger? Do you mean rogier?

    • @leanderbenn9146
      @leanderbenn9146 2 года назад +1

      @@baizuo_6246 understandable

  • @extremelyboredtatsumaki.495
    @extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 2 года назад +823

    Greoyll was probably crashing the game due to being in one of the most taxing areas to simply exist in, framerate wise. What if she was spawned somewhere easier to render, like Mountaintop of the giants?

    • @carlycrays2831
      @carlycrays2831 2 года назад +34

      Given what we see, I'm not sure even that would work. It would still be glitchy.

    • @splintergp
      @splintergp 2 года назад +113

      @@carlycrays2831 someone else spawned greyoll with summon ashes, seemed to work better

    • @pious83
      @pious83 2 года назад +201

      Nothing likes Caelid. Not even the framerate...

    • @caracatoacacepe
      @caracatoacacepe 2 года назад +32

      Imagine Greyroll in Blighttown

    • @slate3998
      @slate3998 2 года назад +40

      i think elden beast area or rykard area will be better since they are isolated and the game don't need to load openworld resource

  • @ronwinters3571
    @ronwinters3571 2 года назад +1181

    I wonder what Gransax would be like if you compared it with Greyoll. I also wonder how the god devouring snake and fire giant compare to Greyoll as they are some of the larger enemies in the game.

    • @SigmaGuardian66
      @SigmaGuardian66 2 года назад +318

      Both the snake and The giant are considerably smaller than Greyoll, but the snake is probably about as long if it properly uncoiled.
      Granssax is by far the biggest of them all. Not even a contest. The siege of Granssax must have been a sight to behold.

    • @fabi3790
      @fabi3790 2 года назад +96

      Did I forgot something
      How do so many know the name of the Lyndell dragon?
      I was just "huh a giant dragon" and moved on

    • @randalthevandal4170
      @randalthevandal4170 2 года назад +251

      @@fabi3790
      Granssax's name is on his bolt and some lore items

    • @cheaddos
      @cheaddos 2 года назад +94

      @@fabi3790 I think its name is mentioned in the description of the weapon you pick up from the swirly spear on its body.

    • @niklasmitfussl2639
      @niklasmitfussl2639 2 года назад +150

      @@fabi3790 This is the description of the legendary spear found poking out of the city :)
      Spear whittled from the weapon wielded by Gransax.
      One of the legendary armaments.
      A great ancient dragon, Gransax once rained calamity upon the Royal Capital - the only time in historical record that Leyndell's walls have fallen. This marked the dawn of the war against dragons.

  • @ryanschmidt3319
    @ryanschmidt3319 2 года назад +1056

    So compared to Placidusax, how big is Greyoll? Or maybe the Bridge Midir? Or Ancient Dragon in DS2? I just wanna know who the biggest dragon is really.

    • @ryanschmidt3319
      @ryanschmidt3319 2 года назад +52

      @@Thifurious True. I forgot Dragon God.

    • @ZullietheWitch
      @ZullietheWitch  2 года назад +1400

      Greyoll is now the largest dragon by nearly double. Dragon God is 103m tall and dwarfed every other dragon, with the runner up being the Archdragon, and Greyoll's 182m length makes it look like a child.

    • @tehCostHD
      @tehCostHD 2 года назад +337

      @@ZullietheWitch what about the drgaon that is dead in the capitol? Granssax?

    • @Robthetank001
      @Robthetank001 2 года назад +208

      @@ZullietheWitch Dont forget the corpse of Granssax! I bet he is bigger than even Greyoll

    • @ryanschmidt3319
      @ryanschmidt3319 2 года назад +24

      @@ZullietheWitch That is certainly impressive.

  • @GetBodiedSon
    @GetBodiedSon 2 года назад +230

    You missed a giant npc! The giant hand in the mountaintops of the giants. The game also seems to struggle with it at times, as when I invaded a group fighting it, the game went to around 10 fps anytime it was on screen (this was on ps5)

    • @Emperorhirohito19272
      @Emperorhirohito19272 2 года назад +16

      And the massive magma wyrm in the snowfield

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 2 года назад +6

      That's an NPC ? Not just an enemy ? Are we talking about the one in front of fire giant's arena, the one that falls on a bird all the time ?

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 2 года назад +4

      @@Emperorhirohito19272 isn't it normal sized ?

    • @Emperorhirohito19272
      @Emperorhirohito19272 2 года назад +10

      @@nathanjora7627 nah it’s huge, the one at the end of the frozen river

    • @jealousagain783
      @jealousagain783 2 года назад +48

      @@nathanjora7627 “NPC” as in “a thing that has a designated character model.” All enemies are NPCs by this definition.

  • @PhsycoPhink
    @PhsycoPhink 2 года назад +110

    Thing I noticed, when fighting a runebear, it glitched into to ground causing massive lag.
    Basically the dragons size is causing lag enough, lag when it's polygons start clipping into the ground, that's when it starts crashing.

    • @OmicronX-1999
      @OmicronX-1999 2 года назад +25

      Maybe something to do with the game losing track of the enemy position data and having a stroke as a result. Polygons clip through stuff all the time so it probably isn't that, but if enough of a large enemy fell far enough under the map, the game might lose track of where it's supposed to be and be unable to render it correctly, which may be enough to cause it to crash.

    • @DavidJCobb
      @DavidJCobb 2 года назад +7

      visual clipping usually happens when the physics/collision meshes don't exactly match the visual mesh. sounds like OP means physics clipping, though.
      checking collision on most objects is pretty expensive. having to compare every polygon in two collision meshes is fairly slow, so a lot of games look for ways to skip the work. for example, a developer might define a bounding sphere that encases the entire object; if two objects' spheres don't overlap (literally just one distance check), then their collision meshes can't overlap either. for NPCs, developers may use very simplified hitboxes (e.g. capsules, spheres, and other mathematically simple shapes) instead of more detailed collision; characters generally move enough that you won't notice if you shoot the very tip of someone's ponytail and it doesn't count, for example.
      it's more likely for any two objects to _not_ be colliding, so anything you can do to rule out collisions sooner is a useful optimization.
      but bounds checking wouldn't rule out as many potential collisions for a massive NPC with massive bounds, and maybe a developer would force more detailed collision for them, too, since less accurate collision will be more noticeable for huge models. but this is all blind random guesswork, of course.

    • @doomdoot6731
      @doomdoot6731 2 года назад +4

      My guess would be that this is similar to the optimisation issue in MHWorld, where large enemies were just giving the machine a hard time due do inclines in the surface they were standing on.
      If you were to "only" calculate the surface area of the dragon where it touches the ground and the ground itself for physics purposes, the calculations might work absolutely fine for 99% of the time on terrain, but in the weird fringe case where a huge amount of the dragon/bear/monster touches the terrain it would just absolutely tank your processing power due to a lot of calculations happening. At least that's how I understood the issue with MHWorld not including Leviathan-type monsters.
      I think you can see something like that happen when you see a monster (MHW case) standing on an incline or two different heights at a weird angle. Usually the legs start glitching the fuck out, because the restraints on the model tell the game something different than the restraints from the physics.
      Huge disclaimer on that note, that I have NO experience in game development at all and basically just read the layman's version of "why Leviathans didn't make the cut". The issue itself might work entirely differently internally depending on whether or not the game actually runs its terrain physics like that.

    • @gamer-px5cu
      @gamer-px5cu Год назад

      This is called bad optimization.

    • @avaluggglazer445
      @avaluggglazer445 Год назад

      Is it that same runebear in that one cave? For some reason that immediately happens to every person I've ever seen enter the cave before

  • @matrix3509
    @matrix3509 2 года назад +91

    The fact that they kept her attack hitboxes in makes me think FromSoft probably did actually intend for you to fight Greyoll, but they likely ran into the same issues you ran into getting her to play nicely with the game engine.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin Год назад +5

      Nah, they could have optimized her in a number of ways if that was the idea. There’s also no concept art I’m aware of that has her fighting the Tarnished. The biggest reason it causes issues is because they scaled her up without making any other adjustments.

  • @bbbkk137
    @bbbkk137 2 года назад +19

    There's also that huge hand in Mountaintop of the Giants which definitely didn't scare me 😶

    • @TheStickMachine
      @TheStickMachine 2 года назад

      There are many, not just one !
      Also, i spotted the first one on the "tree" before it fell, and was still scared, those are awful.

    • @arcanefire7511
      @arcanefire7511 2 года назад +5

      @@TheStickMachine There are more of the humongous hand found in the Mountaintops? Not the big version, the absolutely massive one. Think small jar, big jar and the one shown in this video

    • @tinycervid7679
      @tinycervid7679 2 года назад +3

      @@TheStickMachine i hope you're talking about the medium-sized ones that are still pretty big, we mean the gargantuan one in mountaintops, if you're saying there's more of that then thank God i have only found one.

  • @antonsannestam6937
    @antonsannestam6937 2 года назад +19

    So here's something related that I went through a while back. I wanted an estimate for Ancient Dragons in DS1 (since the approximates we find in game are gimped one way or another). I took Havel's Dragon Tooth weapon as a starting point, which should be about 2 meters long, based on how it measures up to the Chosen Undead. If we're being conservative we can call that a dragon's canine.
    I then went to Saltwater Crocodiles to figure out a tooth-to body size-ratio, since dragons in DS have very crocodilian snouts. Crocs can have canines exceeding 4 inches, but again, I was being conservative so 4 inches (~10 cm) it is. An adult croc can mesaure between 4 (female) to 5 (male) meters but the largest on record is over 6 meters. This means we get a croc tooth-to body size-ratio of 10 to 400/500/600 depending on which specimen we use. Again, being conservative, we go with the median and use 500, which leaves us with 1/50 ratio.
    Going back to the Ancient Dragon and, applying the 1/50 ratio, that should leave us with a dragon whose body size is approximately 100 meters in length. Now this should really be quite a bit longer, as the Ancient Dragons have a smaller head-to-body proportion than crocodiles. Salty crocs have about 7 heads to a body, whereas DS Dragons seem to be more along 10 or 11. This would in turn add an approximate extra 50% to the length of the Ancient Dragon, bringing it up to about 150 meters.
    So, given that we have used conservative measuring points, I conclude that Greyoll is basically the size of the Ancient Dragons in the Dark Souls series. She would still be on the bigger end, but it's nice to finally have a sense of their actual scale. Also, great video as always, Zullie!

  • @PaperTigerLive
    @PaperTigerLive 2 года назад +47

    Me, an intellectual: Elden ring is a masterpiece of deep lore, inctricate gameplay mechanics, vast open world.
    Also me: Big Dragon, click

  • @XDarkGreyX
    @XDarkGreyX 2 года назад +19

    Upon reading the title for the first time, my mind jumped to the frozen ones near the Fire Giant and how some of them may have been intended to wake up, since I expected that during my playthrough.

  • @samuelfaiman1387
    @samuelfaiman1387 2 года назад +86

    I'd love to see what Greyoll would look like flying through the skies. Imagine you're just out exploring and suddenly the sun is gone for a few seconds as her massive shadow passes over you. Seeing this kind of stuff makes me imagine what a soulslike game could be a decade down the line. For example, I saw a video where someone pitted the Elden Beast against Dragonlord Placidusax; imagine that scale of battle being something you could just stumble across! Sort of like the battle near the bridge to Redmane Castle between the dogs and the soldiers, but way way bigger! Mix a few Shadow of the Colossus elements in there and suddenly you can join the fray, going from casual exploring to climbing massive dragons and dodging attacks until you find the right point to strike. Eventually gain some kind of cool flight mechanic like riding dragons or whatever so you can really take in the crazy scale of the world and explore every corner. The potential for that kind of crazy scale isn't too far away! I could play Elden Ring all day, but I gotta admit it really makes me wanna see what we'll do next.

    • @legday9398
      @legday9398 2 года назад +6

      Greyoll be like ancalagon the black

    • @letwolf
      @letwolf 2 года назад +1

      Greyoll: thinks he's big
      Star Wars' Deathstar: hold my beer....

    • @Silancet
      @Silancet 2 года назад +1

      @@letwolf *She

    • @takoyakiiii
      @takoyakiiii 2 года назад

      Turf wars!

    • @noahjaks1607
      @noahjaks1607 2 года назад +1

      Someone hasn't played Dragon's Dogma, have they?

  • @marcinkrz3140
    @marcinkrz3140 2 года назад +92

    ah yes a "we are faced with boss to big to be fun" moment
    classic

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 2 года назад +11

      I mean, it's not a boss, so there really is no problem ^^
      Not gonna lie though given how limited our interactions with it are I wouldn't even have made it an enemy, I would've just made it as big as a mountain with only parts of the model clipping out or deforming the terrain so that you wouldn't even get that it's a dragon unless you're close enough to see the head or far enough to see the outline of the body under the dirt and rock

    • @bloodangel19
      @bloodangel19 2 года назад +3

      I mean we could in theory make it a fun fight, just not with the current engine the from games run on.

    • @HamsterPants522
      @HamsterPants522 2 года назад

      @@nathanjora7627 "I mean"

    • @HamsterPants522
      @HamsterPants522 2 года назад +1

      @@bloodangel19 "I mean"

    • @nathanjora7627
      @nathanjora7627 2 года назад +9

      @@bloodangel19 It'd be a challenge to make such a humongous thing a fun challenge though.
      Maybe if the game was set up more like a shadow of the colossus game, but even then :/

  • @MinniMaster
    @MinniMaster 2 года назад +16

    Imagine reviving Gransax. His steps would be earthquakes.

    • @KenanTheFab
      @KenanTheFab 2 года назад +4

      Dust starts to fall and blood covers the streets as it moves, almost silent except for a low rumble coming from its throat. The streets become hard to walk through as the blood fills it to waist level, most enemies and npcs ran for the rooftops- if they made it at all.
      As the mighty dragon lifts itself up, the spear slowly slides out of the wound it created before it hits the ground and demolishing buildings underneath. Finally it releases a mighty roar and flaps its wings, creating horrendous winds that blow away any attempt to subdue it with ballistas. The gusts of wind have blown a large part of the city to shreds and only a crater remains, which it sits in the middle of as it takes in the scenery and slowly wakes up from the long slumber.

  • @turtle7288
    @turtle7288 2 года назад +10

    Everything’s bigger in caelid

  • @DanielCifer
    @DanielCifer 2 года назад +37

    I'm kinda curious about whether or not Greyoll or Granssax's corpse is larger

    • @Short_Potato
      @Short_Potato 2 года назад +25

      Granssax's, and I don't think it's close

    • @zoro789
      @zoro789 2 года назад +2

      i want to see them fight

    • @starleaderxv4838
      @starleaderxv4838 2 года назад +28

      You are actually able to see Greyoll upclose and she's not even NEAR the size of Granssax.

    • @DanielCifer
      @DanielCifer 2 года назад +3

      @@zoro789 I'm don't think that's even possible, pretty sure Granssax's a part of the city and not a character model.

    • @quynhphannhu7175
      @quynhphannhu7175 2 года назад +8

      @@zoro789 Well Granssax is an giant ancient dragon that wield a lightning spear while Greyroll is just a giant modern dragon so i don't think it goes well for Greyroll. Item description like dragon great maul and dragon king crag blade compare modern dragon as feeble or weak compare to ancient dragon and ancient dragon are also immortal and wield ancient red lightning so Greyroll probably won't stand much of a chance.

  • @pedroscoponi4905
    @pedroscoponi4905 2 года назад +23

    Offtopic, Waking Up The Giants is a great band/album name

    • @Gstrangeman96
      @Gstrangeman96 2 года назад +1

      I first read this as Walking Up to The Giants. Also a great band name.

  • @lightstrike7466
    @lightstrike7466 2 года назад +19

    Zullie you are such a blessing for this community

  • @vergence2229
    @vergence2229 2 года назад +37

    What a massive unit

  • @jellaux
    @jellaux 2 года назад +8

    greyoll's dragonbarrow? nah, girlboss dragonbarrow

  • @vincey6158
    @vincey6158 2 года назад +40

    Yoo. Hope that the modders somehow able to add the great jar some animation and good hitboxes so we can fight it later. Would be a great and fun addition to the game along with some, gigantized enemies.

    • @krishnansubramoni7801
      @krishnansubramoni7801 2 года назад +1

      And hopefully place these building sized enemies in a place without drops - like the arena of the final boss.

    • @douglasbacagini9866
      @douglasbacagini9866 2 года назад +1

      If you want to fight this great jar, iodaste your game to patch 1.04 and do it the Rutger’s quest.

    • @randomcrusader5632
      @randomcrusader5632 2 года назад +2

      @@douglasbacagini9866 what are you on about, there’s no one called rutger, and the new patch doesn’t allow you to fight it

    • @douglasbacagini9866
      @douglasbacagini9866 2 года назад

      @@randomcrusader5632 Ever heard about patch 1.04?

    • @vincey6158
      @vincey6158 2 года назад +2

      @@douglasbacagini9866 Bro you're drunk? you can only fight 3 npc summon by its side and i bought the game day 1 and still playing it to this day. Keeping up to date with the wiki & community and there's like 0 existence named Rutger in the game. Closest one probably Rodgier but he's Fia simp, not sure what are you talking about now

  • @SirAshford
    @SirAshford 2 года назад +4

    I found your channel recently, and love it! Thanks for producing this content, it makes us appreciate the game’s inner workings much more.

  • @Malumultimus
    @Malumultimus 2 года назад +85

    that feel when you're too big for this world

    • @Oozaru85
      @Oozaru85 2 года назад +1

      That feel when From was too lazy to optimize the game for her to be in it.

    • @KenanTheFab
      @KenanTheFab 2 года назад +9

      @@Oozaru85 Unmoving objects are more efficient than moving ones. It isn't laziness, Greyoll is just not intended to move at all thus not requiring a *bunch* of collision checks.

    • @Oozaru85
      @Oozaru85 2 года назад

      @@KenanTheFab So why is she moving then, if it's not intended? By herself? Or maybe the devs just scaled her and were too lazy or too dumb to remove animations from the model? Hmm.

    • @daemonherreavlosare
      @daemonherreavlosare 2 года назад

      @@Oozaru85 Are you a child or willfully this obtuse?

    • @KenanTheFab
      @KenanTheFab 2 года назад +2

      @@Oozaru85 I know you think this was a big brain comment but Zullie literally explains it in the video.
      The dragon uses the exact same skeleton/armature as the other dragons which allows it to use the same animations as them despite a different model and size. The animations exist separately from all the dragons and there aren't copies of animations for each dragon because that would be horrendous for optimization and filesize.
      Greyoll only having to play one "animation" (lying down and not moving except for the head for the purpose of roaring.) is less taxing than having to play an animation that has to check for ground collision, check for where it can land when it flies, and then check if it is on solid ground.
      The game likely crashes because it just can't figure it out- Greyoll is so big it clips under the ground which is the first point of failiure before the entire thing just gives up.
      Midir, Fire Giant, Dragon Lord and Ceaseless Discharge are example of huge bosses that move around and fight you.
      TL;DR: All dragons use the exact same skeleton/armature which allows them to use the exact same animations- Greyoll is no exception.

  • @sepaol
    @sepaol 2 года назад +4

    Big lad and big lass

  • @sensan4487
    @sensan4487 2 года назад +1

    Everytime I open up a video from you I'm smiling fkc love Zelda ost as background music

  • @BeppoTheGuy
    @BeppoTheGuy 2 года назад +27

    no longer dissapointed that Greyoll didnt fight back

    • @XDarkGreyX
      @XDarkGreyX 2 года назад +1

      I avoided that encounter due to the crash in fps. And I was happy that she turned out passive....

  • @Puriboi
    @Puriboi 2 года назад +92

    I was wondering Zullie, with your knowledge of the game, would it be possible to remove the snowstorm at the Consecrated Snowfield, so we could have a look at the area without an obscured view?

    • @OmicronX-1999
      @OmicronX-1999 2 года назад +50

      Even more pressing, would it be possible to remove the snowstorm and have a look for WHATEVER IS SUMMONING THOSE GODDAMN DRAGONKIN GHOSTS??

    • @weaver3636
      @weaver3636 2 года назад +4

      @@OmicronX-1999 Do you mean gigantic skeletons? I'm pretty sure they are spawned by a Mariner.

    • @lofimonkeyjazz
      @lofimonkeyjazz 2 года назад +33

      @@weaver3636 no no he means the actual dragonkin soldiers, like the one you fight in Nokstella, there's like a couple of them to the left of the snowfield area that gave me a heart attack when i first encountered them

    • @edingerale
      @edingerale 2 года назад +1

      That's a really cool idea

    • @weaver3636
      @weaver3636 2 года назад +2

      @@lofimonkeyjazz Since he mentioned Ghosts, I assumed they were spectral dragon kins. If they keep respawning after being killed then a mariner is probably responsible, e.g: in the Mountaintops of giants fort sol cemetery

  • @twinarcher8123
    @twinarcher8123 2 года назад +33

    If the jars put people inside them to grow stronger , and I'm assuming bigger, how many has the great jar killed and put inside him

  • @jackkendall6420
    @jackkendall6420 2 года назад +20

    'Hang on while Windows reports this problem to Microsoft...'
    Wonder what the random Microsoft employee is gonna think when they get a report saying an elder dragon was so xbox hueg it crashed the universe.

  • @jonathansyson5268
    @jonathansyson5268 2 года назад +5

    Fascinating content as always! I always enjoy seeing the ways you make the game show us its secrets.
    Something I would be interested in for a future video would be understanding how enemies like Greyoll work, where their health bar is tied to the health of a number of smaller enemies surrounding them, since I know HP fuckery is always very interesting.
    Thanks!

  • @rafaelcosta7427
    @rafaelcosta7427 Год назад +5

    The fact that greyoll's attacks have hitboxes can mean 2 things:
    1: At one point she would've been a giant dragon bossfight, but due to limitations she was put to the state that she is in.
    2: They just made a reskin of a dragon and made it big, not bothering to deactivate hitboxes

  • @QueenofSilence101
    @QueenofSilence101 7 месяцев назад +1

    RUclips recommended these videos to me out of nowhere. Even though I don't play Souls games, I must say, I do like this kind of weird game content. I like it.

    • @thotslayer9493
      @thotslayer9493 7 месяцев назад

      means you’re on youtube too much lol

  • @sinjin8576
    @sinjin8576 2 года назад +10

    When I first found that dragon in Caelid i was confused as to why I couldnt jump on it, then I noticed it was moving and nearly shit myself.
    Its scale is even bigger than I thought, thanks for this nightmare fuel.

  • @joshtompkins1538
    @joshtompkins1538 2 года назад +8

    I like to think that Greyoll was originally going to be a boss but had to be changed for the exact reasons shown in this video. I hope that some modders can somehow make the game playable when she is in action.

  • @LautrecOfCarim
    @LautrecOfCarim 2 года назад +33

    At last we got to fight one colossal enemy of this type.
    I'll never forget you, B I G H A N D.
    Heh.

  • @terablast
    @terablast 2 года назад +34

    Can all enemies be scaled as such?
    Like, when we get "Oops, all Malenia" or "Oops, all Margit" mods, could we theoretically have them scale size with the enemies they replace?
    Like rat-sized Margits and Dragon sized Margits?

    • @danieldato6213
      @danieldato6213 2 года назад

      rat-sized Margits

    • @hohohoupufuru
      @hohohoupufuru 2 года назад +18

      I would rather fight 100 rat sized Margits than one Margit sized rat

    • @Strider_Shinryu
      @Strider_Shinryu 2 года назад +6

      Or just a dragon sized Malenia. You thought dodging the waterfowl dance was tough, try dodging the giantdragon dance

    • @nomecognome6713
      @nomecognome6713 2 года назад +2

      Yes officer, this comment over here

    • @katarjin
      @katarjin 2 года назад

      Why did you put this cursed idea out into the world?

  • @Enzoli12
    @Enzoli12 2 года назад +1

    I love how the music is similar to the ones of Shadow of the Colossus, good reference for the Giants

  • @worldlinezero4783
    @worldlinezero4783 2 года назад +8

    Big boy

  • @honeycrisp808
    @honeycrisp808 2 года назад +6

    Imagine if the running jump attack glitch from DS1 was present in this game...

  • @V3v15c3r8
    @V3v15c3r8 2 года назад

    I love your videos a lot and click on them as soon as I see them. Thanks for all the insight.

  • @ken-vo
    @ken-vo 2 года назад +1

    As soon as I saw the Living Pots, I leaned back in my chair and unconsciously crossed my arms along with them

  • @TheCreepyLantern
    @TheCreepyLantern 2 года назад +59

    fans of any other game franchise "why would you EVER want that fucking thing to wake up?"
    Soulsbornering fans: IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!
    Others: you will just die though
    Soulsbornering guys: .............i don't understand the question?

    • @jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798
      @jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 2 года назад +3

      Yeah. I was upset I couldn't fight him. Saw him, and immediately the kung fu panda meme "our battle will be legendary!", played in my head

    • @TheCreepyLantern
      @TheCreepyLantern 2 года назад +1

      @@jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798 THERE you go!!!!

  • @wrathin99
    @wrathin99 2 года назад +2

    I hope we get to fight in the Gigajars Coliseum for PVP soon.

  • @IDECIDETHETRUTH
    @IDECIDETHETRUTH 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for another upload Zullie. We love you.

  • @_claymore
    @_claymore 2 года назад +7

    Zullie: oh neat, you can make Greyoll move by using the animations, let's see what happens
    Engine: aight, I'mma head out

  • @TyYo5hi
    @TyYo5hi 2 года назад +14

    My hypothesis is that Greyoll was meant to be a late game boss that would only "awaken" once the end tree was burnt. Allowing her to roam the map (or just cealid) as a surprise for players to stumble upon. But because of her size and graphics strains she imposed, she was revised to what she is now. But..... just my thoughts🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @rolandoftheeld
    @rolandoftheeld 2 года назад

    Thanks for making this! Checking out giant characters is always my favorite type of video of yours.

  • @youriricher1123
    @youriricher1123 2 года назад

    I love this channel so much !

  • @Arthas972
    @Arthas972 2 года назад +3

    0:01 it also saves space. Games like old school Final Fantasy reuse models for that very reason. It’s called recoloring, slapping a different paint job on the same model and making it more powerful

  • @losersbecomewinners2043
    @losersbecomewinners2043 2 года назад +14

    XD
    Maybe one day, we’ll get a walking Greyoll that doesn’t break the game :)

  • @Macncheesee
    @Macncheesee 2 года назад

    Loved your videos before elden ring, and now it's the cherry on top. Great work

  • @bananawarlock3981
    @bananawarlock3981 2 года назад

    This is definitely one of the best RUclips channels dedicated to Souls games, but in a way that stands out and places itself in a category of its own. Short, incredibly interesting and well curated content about the inner workings and other curiosities of what lays underneath the surface of a what is, arguably, one of the best videogame series out there.
    I deeply appreciate this type of content.

  • @mylittledarkworldjohn4289
    @mylittledarkworldjohn4289 2 года назад +4

    Looking at enemy crashes the game... oh thats not paper mario

  • @MK-xj5by
    @MK-xj5by 2 года назад +33

    Love that finally From let us have lady dragon in the game. We have both Greyroll and Lanseax(best girl)

  • @syd3610
    @syd3610 2 года назад +1

    This channel feels like the animal planet for elden ring and i love it

  • @Night-Lord
    @Night-Lord 2 месяца назад +1

    When the very world you exist within can't take you at full power

  • @jonaichi_09
    @jonaichi_09 2 года назад +14

    The only boss that we can't beat because of it's ultimate move called *Crash*

    • @kgniku503
      @kgniku503 2 года назад

      Flashbacks to playing Xenogears...

    • @XDarkGreyX
      @XDarkGreyX 2 года назад

      The 5 FPS my "old" PC had in that area, similar to alf the boss fights, certainly discouraged me from killing her at first, though when I found out that she doesn't move an inch... Never expected her to stand up, but I'm glad she is even more passive than that.

  • @barsonik3855
    @barsonik3855 2 года назад +3

    giant jar but no speen :(

  • @_burningshadow_8010
    @_burningshadow_8010 Год назад +2

    0:24 ah yes the *Prepare to fight 3 x rivers of blood users in a row*

  • @_Jay_Maker_
    @_Jay_Maker_ 2 года назад +2

    Given how large Greyoll is, and comparing her to just Gransax's Bolt, Gransax must've been legitimately enormous. I hope we get to see him some day.

  • @Villain_in_Glasses
    @Villain_in_Glasses 2 года назад +6

    Clearly Miyazaki has realised that over these long years we have all gotten gud and has thus decided to instead challenge our hardware.

  • @ReapMcMuffins
    @ReapMcMuffins 2 года назад +3

    Kinda wanna see the small crabs attacking back now, given how many of them you can find in certain areas lol

  • @vgshelter906
    @vgshelter906 2 года назад

    your music selection is point. great vid

  • @savekillqqpsounds8473
    @savekillqqpsounds8473 2 года назад

    I fricking love zuli for stuff like this. Without her we would never know many things im so thank full. Thank you!

  • @konrad94886
    @konrad94886 2 года назад +40

    Hey Zullie, maybe you can take a look at the glowing skulls that appear on the map that always have a rune? I'm interested to know how they work, i think their frequency was increased in the latest update.

  • @SylemGistoe
    @SylemGistoe 2 года назад +7

    I wish greyoll had more she could do. Seeing her stand up at least makes me feel kinda sad she's left so weak and rotted. Heck, it'd be cool if those with "dragon communion" could talk to her, like Quelag's Sister back in DS1.

    • @Loreboar0
      @Loreboar0 2 года назад +1

      That’s an awesome idea!

    • @TheMirksta
      @TheMirksta 2 года назад +1

      Considering they eat the hearts of her dragon children I'm not so sure she'd be civil with the Tarnished.

    • @SylemGistoe
      @SylemGistoe 2 года назад +1

      @@TheMirksta hey, it's a dragon eat dragon world out there. You think it makes it awkward between them and the great wyrms? Lol. But for real, it'd be cool to actually talk with a dragon, and understanding what dragon communion is more would be neat.

  • @threedawg
    @threedawg 2 года назад

    This was so awesome, thank you so much for this!

  • @GlobalFreeBeats
    @GlobalFreeBeats 2 года назад

    I love the music you choose for your videos! Always makes me think of Final Fantasy.

  • @lysanderxx1664
    @lysanderxx1664 Месяц назад

    The dragon's majesty is truly too great to behold.

  • @SokiHime
    @SokiHime 2 года назад

    I love these videos so much
    What an awesome channel

  • @hehefuni1356
    @hehefuni1356 2 года назад +3

    Massive lady dragon crashes game

  • @mccad00
    @mccad00 2 года назад +8

    Out of curiosity, is there a reason that performance would be related to the size of an enemy? What's different between a larger and a smaller enemy that would cause performance issues?

    • @ZullietheWitch
      @ZullietheWitch  2 года назад +23

      Greyoll's problem is likely having awkward physics interactions being checked all over the place.

  • @se7enwonders
    @se7enwonders Год назад +1

    I literally laughed out loud when it said “Elden Ring has stopped working …..” 😂
    I don’t even know why lol
    You are so awesome Zullie!!

  • @dethmunki4909
    @dethmunki4909 2 года назад

    Love your new endcard. Keep up the great videos!

  • @MKVProcrastinator
    @MKVProcrastinator 2 года назад +4

    Why did you specifically say "currently inaccessible" when referring to the colosseum behind the Great Jar? Were they meant to be accessible at some point? Could explain why there's so many of them, yet none of them open.

    • @Alunoir
      @Alunoir 2 года назад +2

      They have geometry and collision inside of them, but are unfinished. Speculation is that an update will open them up for something, likely a pvp arena of sorts.

    • @ZullietheWitch
      @ZullietheWitch  2 года назад +5

      They have fully modeled interiors, so the suspicion is that they'll eventually feature some content.

    • @Herlgar
      @Herlgar 2 года назад +1

      @@ZullietheWitch God damn it do you mean I've been getting my ass kicked repeatedly by the NPC summons in front of it and it doesn't even allow me to enter?

    • @pious83
      @pious83 2 года назад

      @@ZullietheWitch I like to think they will tie into the mystery cloud at the centre of the map, too.

    • @Alunoir
      @Alunoir 2 года назад +3

      @@Herlgar You get a pretty good talisman from beating them all.

  • @futuresynth357
    @futuresynth357 2 года назад

    i really like that you put zelda music in your videos it makes me nostalgic

  • @oa793
    @oa793 2 месяца назад +1

    why do i care more about this than actual things that will impact my life positively

  • @youngishkarma7387
    @youngishkarma7387 2 года назад +3

    Remember that massive wyvern that can be seen in DS3 arch dragon peak lying dead, across a distant mountain? I would like to see a size comparison between him and Greyoll, they seem similar in appearance

  • @plebestrian9323
    @plebestrian9323 2 года назад +3

    that's 2.5x as long as an A380 and over 3x the wingspan

  • @coalblock
    @coalblock 2 года назад

    Another amazing and informative video. Keep up the amazing work you’ve been doing for the game and the community 👍👍

  • @Nestmind
    @Nestmind Год назад

    Imagine being a dragon so massive, reality itself struggle with you simply exsisting

  • @jonaldblack
    @jonaldblack 2 года назад

    You are a gem of this community Zulie

  • @commaJim
    @commaJim 2 года назад +2

    Greyoll is so fucking cool

  • @Dewelwield1010
    @Dewelwield1010 2 года назад +3

    While we’re on the topic of size, could you try laying the full erdtree horizontally across the landscape? I feel like that would give a pretty good idea how tall it is. This is something I saw in a comment on a boundary break video, but I was hoping you could maybe try it.

  • @Formair
    @Formair 2 года назад

    Damn, there is so much in these games to dig