The Homeowner/Landlord Altobelli told CM. "I don't want you comming up here unannounced and bothering my tenants." Altobelli was an even bigger producer/agent than Melcher was. Leno Labianca had words with CM more than once. Leno called the police over dunebuggies racing up and down Waverly in the early AM. The house had been "buglarized" "robbed" several times. Enough that Leno told his kids to "stay away from Oak Terrace" he also told his mother that he needed to get out of the house....it was a matter of life and death. This can be read about in Alice Labianca's no more tomorrows. Leno's father built "oak terrace" Leno was born in the house. These targets by CM were grudges.
Maybe it was mob related between Manson and Labianca going back to the 50s ? I've watched the infamous Geraldo interview with Manson. Manson talks about "The little black phone book" that Labianca had... I've wondered what Charles meant by that.
Rudi was a manager (for actors) without the benefit of nepotism. Terry was a producer for Columbia records who worked with the Beach Boys Byrds Paul Revere and Manson
This is the first time I've ever heard any body mention Mark Lindsay!!!! I am a huge fan of Mark and this was very scary for me.I know it is irrelevant but to know he was living there 1 year before it happened.I remember when I figured this out. Scary !
The Sharon Tate house had two deaths in 1963. A newly married couple moved into the house the husband brought his bride a gun because the house he felt was secluded. Unfortunately for him he was cheating and his bride found out about it and shot him. Killing him instantly and she hung her self. Altobelli the owner of the house told melcher about it and how he paid $$$$$ to keep it out of the paper so not to ruin the property price.
@peterm1826 Mark had mentioned this in an interview and also said the owner told them that the place was haunted as a result of it. Mark said that he also told them to beware of bringing ladies home because the entity (it was the bride) was kind of sensitive of such activities....interesting!!
Steve McQueen also spent the rest of his life in fear of being whacked by the Mason clan. He had good reason to. For he once got into a physical altercation with Charles Manson, which ended with Manson having a broken nose. He was also a hair's breath away from becoming one of the victims at Cielo Drive but fate intervened that night, and he was luckily saved. Nevertheless, he was so shaken by what happened to Sharon Tate and his good friend Jay Sebring that he would spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder. He wouldn't go anywhere without a gun, and spent a fortune furnishing his homes with the latest and most expensive surveillance and security equipment.
This story is so intriguing..... lots of could have or should haves..... Charlie should have behaved himself for terry and the beach boys to like him.... Charlie could have become a star with the right attitude.... sharon and jay and the others should have lived a longer happier life .....
Manson was never going to be a successful musician. Melcher knew it, the Beach Boys knew it and everyone in the music business knew he had no musical talent whatsoever. The only one who thought he had talent was Denis Wilson and he was as talentless as Manson. He was only in the Beach Boys because he was family.
Everything Drummerboy 1390 said, plus this. Sharon Tate was an evil bitch who hid behind a saccharine sweet personality. She was into Satanic witchcraft. And, she was not as innocent as she was portrayed.
@Hhaa dave Bzw Not true. All he did was sell out. He tried to sell out as a Rockstar and was rejected. And he was hired by the government to play a cult leader.
I have read in numerous publications that it was her husband, melchor who committed her to a tv series without her knowledge. Talking about doris of course.
Dennis Wilson ended up with the Manson Family living in his house. Dennis picked up 2 of the Manson girls who were hitchhiking and brought them to his place. Later Dennis went to the recording studio and when he returned he was greeted by Charlie in the driveway. Charlie got down on the ground and kissed Dennis’ feet. Dennis allowed them to stay. He and Manson became friends working on songwriting and music. Dennis introduced Charlie to Melcher. No one witnessed Charlie and his posse beating up a stunt man on Spahn Ranch. Charlie, Tex, Steve “Clem” Grogan and Bruce Davis killed Donald “Shorty” Shea who was a stuntman who lived at Spahn Ranch but no one witnessed it. Charlie knew that Melcher didn’t live at the Cielo house anymore. Charlie went there to talk to Melcher in March 1969 and found out that Melcher no longer lived there. The people who were killed at the Tate house were Steven Parent, an acquaintance of the caretaker, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger, and Sharon Tate. Roman Polanski was in London. He wasn’t home and he didn’t get killed.
@@KarmicSalt Why watch this ( my commenting is spot on but thanks anyway) as im older than you and have studied this case for the past 20....yes that's TWENTY years i think i know a little more about this topic than you sunshine
Record producers tell people all the time I'LL CALL YOU never intending to this was a mistake with Manson he should have leveled with him false hope made charlie flip his lid.
Terry really got cold feet with Charlie after he learned of the incident where Charlie shot (non-fatally) a black drug dealer over a dope burn Tex Watson pulled on him. The fight incident was actually between some of the guys at Spahn and the person Melcher set them up with who had a mobile recording studio. Revenge on Melcher doesn't fit in that Melcher never rejected Charlie as is the folk lore. He was far more involved with him than came out. Melcher did also surround himself with Tex Watson just as much as he did Charlie. Why? Tex was a drug dealer. DRUGS is what it WAS about. The Helter Skelter/Revenge on Melcher cover story wasn't even cooked up by Bugliosi but by Paul Caruso, Susan's attorney. Now, why would Caruso take the case of a person like flat broke Atkins? Everyone who was a suspect, especially the drug dealers, Caruso swept in on them like a hawk. That is, those who wasn't already a lawyer for.
Exactly. Charlie ended up having to shoot a cat named “lots a poppa” because Tex ripped him off for what was a big amount of money back then. Charlie thought the guy was a Black Panther, and brought the bikers out to the ranch for protection. Charlie never messed with anyone he didn’t have a beef with. Helter Skelter is mostly fiction, Vincent Bugliosi was insane, and compromised at the time of the trail, and Tex carried out the murders as a copy cat crime to free Bobby B.
Manson wanted the Hollywood drug trade, but he was just to much of a loser. The just creeped people out. He was a punk who hated being a punk , but that all he ever could be.
@@rudymontana4515 Charlie was a loser no doubt. But I wouldn’t call him a punk. Anyone that can spend more than half their life in the system (at the time), and be in general population, can’t really be a punk. He knew the prison code well, and always stayed within it. Your word was all you had, you didn’t mess with anybody else’s business, and you never snitched on anyone. He was certainly a loser. And a low life criminal from day one. But I’d be hard pressed to call him a punk.
Thanks so much for sharing this.
The Homeowner/Landlord Altobelli told CM. "I don't want you comming up here unannounced and bothering my tenants." Altobelli was an even bigger producer/agent than Melcher was. Leno Labianca had words with CM more than once. Leno called the police over dunebuggies racing up and down Waverly in the early AM. The house had been "buglarized" "robbed" several times. Enough that Leno told his kids to "stay away from Oak Terrace" he also told his mother that he needed to get out of the house....it was a matter of life and death. This can be read about in Alice Labianca's no more tomorrows. Leno's father built "oak terrace" Leno was born in the house. These targets by CM were grudges.
Maybe it was mob related between Manson and Labianca going back to the 50s ? I've watched the infamous Geraldo interview with Manson. Manson talks about "The little black phone book" that Labianca had... I've wondered what Charles meant by that.
@@dalehulen8364 cm is the only person to ever mention that book. Is a red herring.
Rudi was a manager (for actors) without the benefit of nepotism. Terry was a producer for Columbia records who worked with the Beach Boys Byrds Paul Revere and Manson
@@dalehulen8364 I believe that black book was more connected to music than mob.
@Ariel Bonzai he was a producer on 'Rhoda' and few other sitcoms* Melcher never produced CM.
This is the first time I've ever heard any body mention Mark Lindsay!!!! I am a huge fan of Mark and this was very scary for me.I know it is irrelevant but to know he was living there 1 year before it happened.I remember when I figured this out. Scary !
The Sharon Tate house had two deaths in 1963. A newly married couple moved into the house the husband brought his bride a gun because the house he felt was secluded. Unfortunately for him he was cheating and his bride found out about it and shot him. Killing him instantly and she hung her self. Altobelli the owner of the house told melcher about it and how he paid $$$$$ to keep it out of the paper so not to ruin the property price.
@peterm1826 Mark had mentioned this in an interview and also said the owner told them that the place was haunted as a result of it. Mark said that he also told them to beware of bringing ladies home because the entity (it was the bride) was kind of sensitive of such activities....interesting!!
Scarier for the victims
Mark knew about Manson but the Beach Boys did, Bryan, I think.
Steve McQueen also spent the rest of his life in fear of being whacked by the Mason clan. He had good reason to. For he once got into a physical altercation with Charles Manson, which ended with Manson having a broken nose. He was also a hair's breath away from becoming one of the victims at Cielo Drive but fate intervened that night, and he was luckily saved. Nevertheless, he was so shaken by what happened to Sharon Tate and his good friend Jay Sebring that he would spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder. He wouldn't go anywhere without a gun, and spent a fortune furnishing his homes with the latest and most expensive surveillance and security equipment.
WOW.
Belcher on Melcher
Ironic when you consider the fact that everyone hated Marty Melcher so much they called him Farty Belchet.
This story is so intriguing..... lots of could have or should haves..... Charlie should have behaved himself for terry and the beach boys to like him.... Charlie could have become a star with the right attitude.... sharon and jay and the others should have lived a longer happier life .....
Manson was never going to be a successful musician. Melcher knew it, the Beach Boys knew it and everyone in the music business knew he had no musical talent whatsoever. The only one who thought he had talent was Denis Wilson and he was as talentless as Manson. He was only in the Beach Boys because he was family.
Everything Drummerboy 1390 said, plus this. Sharon Tate was an evil bitch who hid behind a saccharine sweet personality. She was into Satanic witchcraft. And, she was not as innocent as she was portrayed.
@Hhaa dave Bzw Not true. All he did was sell out. He tried to sell out as a Rockstar and was rejected. And he was hired by the government to play a cult leader.
@@drummerboy1390 not to sure about talentless, have you heard Pacific Ocean Blue
@@drummerboy1390 🎯🙌👍
I have read in numerous publications that it was her husband, melchor who committed her to a tv series without her knowledge. Talking about doris of course.
That's true. At least according to my research
Tom O'Neill covered this in his book "Chaos"
Excellent book and the second one should be coming out soon...
@@TheListOfThe guy in the video doesn't even know basic facts.
Tom O'Neill's book CHAOS is excellent and a second book is on the way. @John-tj4up
@John-tj4up I'm not talking about "the guy in the video." You don't know basic facts about my comment.
@@TheListOf Sorry Queen.
$700,000,000 turnaround.
Absolutely absurd on its face.
Get your facts correct. You said Roman was there on August ninth????
Dennis Wilson ended up with the Manson Family living in his house. Dennis picked up 2 of the Manson girls who were hitchhiking and brought them to his place. Later Dennis went to the recording studio and when he returned he was greeted by Charlie in the driveway. Charlie got down on the ground and kissed Dennis’ feet. Dennis allowed them to stay. He and Manson became friends working on songwriting and music. Dennis introduced Charlie to Melcher.
No one witnessed Charlie and his posse beating up a stunt man on Spahn Ranch. Charlie, Tex, Steve “Clem” Grogan and Bruce Davis killed Donald “Shorty” Shea who was a stuntman who lived at Spahn Ranch but no one witnessed it.
Charlie knew that Melcher didn’t live at the Cielo house anymore. Charlie went there to talk to Melcher in March 1969 and found out that Melcher no longer lived there.
The people who were killed at the Tate house were Steven Parent, an acquaintance of the caretaker, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger, and Sharon Tate. Roman Polanski was in London. He wasn’t home and he didn’t get killed.
It was their attorney who bilked them on the money.
Manson and his followers severely killed a stuntman
Roman was doing a film. He wasn't there that night and wasn't killed
No sh!t
Roman wasn’t there that night!
Thanks Sherlock 😂
@@shanebriggs1039 he said Roman was. try watching before commenting
@@KarmicSalt Why watch this ( my commenting is spot on but thanks anyway) as im older than you and have studied this case for the past 20....yes that's TWENTY years i think i know a little more about this topic than you sunshine
Polanski knew of the coming sacrifice.....
@@PaulFormentos and your absolute proof AND evidence is.....???
Record producers tell people all the time I'LL CALL YOU never intending to this was a mistake with Manson he should have leveled with him false hope made charlie flip his lid.
Terry really got cold feet with Charlie after he learned of the incident where Charlie shot (non-fatally) a black drug dealer over a dope burn Tex Watson pulled on him. The fight incident was actually between some of the guys at Spahn and the person Melcher set them up with who had a mobile recording studio. Revenge on Melcher doesn't fit in that Melcher never rejected Charlie as is the folk lore. He was far more involved with him than came out. Melcher did also surround himself with Tex Watson just as much as he did Charlie. Why? Tex was a drug dealer. DRUGS is what it WAS about. The Helter Skelter/Revenge on Melcher cover story wasn't even cooked up by Bugliosi but by Paul Caruso, Susan's attorney. Now, why would Caruso take the case of a person like flat broke Atkins? Everyone who was a suspect, especially the drug dealers, Caruso swept in on them like a hawk. That is, those who wasn't already a lawyer for.
Exactly. Charlie ended up having to shoot a cat named “lots a poppa” because Tex ripped him off for what was a big amount of money back then. Charlie thought the guy was a Black Panther, and brought the bikers out to the ranch for protection. Charlie never messed with anyone he didn’t have a beef with. Helter Skelter is mostly fiction, Vincent Bugliosi was insane, and compromised at the time of the trail, and Tex carried out the murders as a copy cat crime to free Bobby B.
Manson wanted the Hollywood drug trade, but he was just to much of a loser. The just creeped people out. He was a punk who hated being a punk , but that all he ever could be.
@@rudymontana4515 Charlie was a loser no doubt. But I wouldn’t call him a punk. Anyone that can spend more than half their life in the system (at the time), and be in general population, can’t really be a punk. He knew the prison code well, and always stayed within it. Your word was all you had, you didn’t mess with anybody else’s business, and you never snitched on anyone. He was certainly a loser. And a low life criminal from day one. But I’d be hard pressed to call him a punk.
@@robertclark9 yeah, he was a punk! They should had put him in population, where he would've been Jeffrey Dahmer'ed 🙌
To be fair, jooging someone on a dope deal is a fair reason to get shot.
Belcher on Melcher.😂
Candace Bergen...Not Bergman. There is nothing new here
Candice Bergen not Candace
Nothing new, didn't add anything that was known already
In Memoirs of Billy Shears it's told that The Beatles knew Manson
Z-z-z-z-z-
Terry was a punk.