I think it's interesting that the game doesn't spell it out, but I think Sephiroth's plan from the beginning is revealed in how Aerith still dies. He is in control of Whisperers and may now have some control over fate. There's something cool and terrifying about that. I think there are still a lot of surprises to come.
The wildlife and Chadley beckon you to do them not to mention materia and weapons or items being locked behind them. You don’t have to but what else is there to engage with?
You are correct, sir. I love this game but I also hate many parts of it. I just came back from a solid two month break of playing it. Chasing Moogles to get to buy shit? Capturing the f*cking giant chickens over and over Metal Gear Solid style? F*ck them and their endless bloat of minigames.Yet somehow I still love this game!
One thing you didn’t mention is the music. I didn’t notice a lot of the tracks in this one and if I did it was because they were repetitive and kind of annoying. Another thing I didn’t like was that the first one made it seem like most of the timeline fate stuff would be over and that this game would go in a different direction than the original, but this one felt less different from the original than remake did. Also I was confused by what happened in the ending. Like with all the timeline stuff. Also the side characters from remake overstayed their welcome in this
How could you not hear the music? It was louder than anything else in the game. I had to turn it down because many times I had to read the subtitles to know what they were saying xD But there was a lot of repetitive music, especially during exploration
The music was less memorable than Remake. I only liked Corel ascent tracks, and the prologue Nibelheim track when ascending Mount Nibel. Everything else was generic videogame tracks. It's jarring when coming from 16 or 14 which has really hard hitting Soken as composer.
I honestly feel that people who praised this game to no end and gave it 10/10, really told me the level of intelligence modern gamers have. That is, zero. I had to cringe every time the reviewer in this video said: "By the way, I love this game, it's a JRPG masterpiece". What is a masterpiece, truly, about this game? Boring open world, and narratively, nothing happens in this game. And what does is stupid (entire whisper sub plot). It's also not as massive as described. Once you've reached Corel, you basically saw 90% of the game since the game just brings you back there, and most of the game happens around Corel/costa del Sol/Gold Saucer. What you have in the open world are completely useless Ubisoft check marks. Yes I did them all, as a completionist, but was it good game time? No. Let's call this game what it is. A Waste of time. They should and could have combined part 2 and 3 into a single game, by cutting all the fat from Rebirth. What was good about FF7 Remake part 1? How cinematic it was, and especially the characterisation and bonding. Simple things like when you arrive in the slums, and the Slum + Tifa theme play. It was masterfully done for a PS4 game. It pulls you in, makes you feel like you are a merc integrating a group of terrorists. Rebirth gives you zero similar feelings. The characters are all bland, and Aerith feels like an android that speaks. Why is she speaking in riddles, why isn't she surprised when anything weird like Sephiroth appearing happens? It's all a mess. 99% who praise this game, I can vouch for, will admit that they do not understand the story. That's how dumb gamers are. This game has great gameplay and graphics, but is HOLLOW underneath the husk. That people can't see that is baffling to me. It is a step down from FF7 Remake Part 1, despite all the bells and whistles added. I thoroughly enjoyed FF7 Remake part 1 because of what it delivered on (only negative part for me was the entire Market Down/Don Corneo part which lingers on too long). I cannot say the same of Rebirth. Rebirth feels like an introduction to part 3 and is entirely skippable.
It's crazy how I don't disagree with any of your complaints, but I still had a blast with mostly everything in the game. I loved the Nibel chocobo, dammit. I can always count on you for an interesting take, I think the conversation around this game is going to be insane. I think it's still going to go down as one of the greats of all time. Like, with some kind of "most annoying masterpiece ever made" moniker.
Every game has good and bad. No game is 100% good, and most are not 100% bad. What matters is that the good outweighs the bad. The fact that I am able to keep going back and playing it without dropping it is proof that Rebirth is a good game. However, it does have flaws that I hope the developers improve upon in the final game, so it is a less stressful experience.
FF7 Rebirth to me is 9.5/10. Hard agree with most of your points. I actually didn't mind the open world so much, but the amount of mini-games was getting a bit much. I'd also like them to add an option to skip most of Chadleys chatter. A bit too much stopping for animations. Story and combat though, absolutely fucking amazing
Mixed reviews is the analysis and finding no negative reviews makes a mixed set of reviews not possible, there would need to be negative reviews mixed in with the positive. The positive reviews should still have negative things to say about the game...I wonder if the word you're thinking of is neutral which used to be a thing you could mark your review as on Steam IIRC. Well anyway, my overall opinion of this game is positive. But I can agree that it had some serious problems and not a few of them, either.
The way this game has totally positive review, and that the fan base spits at people that criticise the game, reminds me of a totalitarian society that refuses to accept reality. It's such a flawed game, especially narratively. The narrative is so weak in this game it makes me cry. The OG had a simple plot, but it hit hard. You really feel like you're playing a game without soul in the narrative here.
@@Bahamut3525 The way some people are talking about FF7R 1 and 2, it's like they think it's Star Wars episodes 7 and 8 all over again. That's completely unfair in my mind. There are going to be some things we dislike about the new games, I mean the OG wasn't perfect, it was too easy for starters, and I can point out many other flaws as well. It only scores a little bit higher than rebirth using the RankOne rating categories(I actually have my own rating system that uses 5 categories, and part of that involves lumping soundtrack and visuals into the same category of 'art'), so I essentially understand where people are coming from if they find this Rebirth game to be disappointing, but the levels of dissatisfaction seems like it might be a bit too high.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw For me it's weird. Because I thoroughly enjoyed Remake part 1. It had flaws (like Wall Market section being annoying, or the whisper ending) but I really enjoyed what it did, which was give you a cinematic experience of the Midgar sequence. Lots of kino moments like the Jesse mission, or when you arrive in the Slums and meet Tifa. The music is also gorgeous. I expected them to really build on this in Rebirth, and gameplay & open world wise, they did. However narratively, all the worries people had with the (nonsense) ending of part 1 were realised. Basically it feels like the plot is going nowhere, and that is BAD for a FF game where plot is really huge IMO. you want me to summarise it? With Rebirth, I feel like I went on a Costa Del Sol holiday where I play an arcade mini game area. I don't feel like I played an epic FF game. And this is so jarring when even flawed FF16 had a truly epic story.
@@Bahamut3525 I get what you mean but my summary of my experience with Remake was I finished the tutorial of the OG... and from a story perspective that's incredibly bloated and the few parts that I disliked about the story took up a huge percentage of the overall story compared to Rebirth. It's a shame that I can't use my own category ratings on that site because in my mind, Rebirth was so much better than Remake. It's not even close. Yeah, Remake had better music on average, but other than that, anything I didn't like about Rebirth even though they were doubling down on things was essentially Remake's fault. Tifa can't mix drinks leads to Tifa's shirt is indestructible, etc.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw So from your take, I'm guessing your the type of gamer that doesn't give a S about story. Remake part 1 was all about SLOW story telling. Rebirth basically has no real story that makes sense, its just you wandering across the world following the hooded figures, and doing meaningless activities along the way. I don't mind gameplay, I love gameplay and Rebirth did good on this. However I care about narrative in FF games. Most gamers don't seem to care. This is why this franchise really drops the kind of gamer I am. It's just not for me. I completed nearly everything in Rebirth (found all the shrines, all the crystal areas, etc) and it left me like I played a game for children, and completed Ubisoft activities. Even the swim suit part in costa del sol felt like tacked on fan service for children. There is no stake in this narrative, no epic countdown or thing to solve. Nothing. Just a feeling that you have to stop Sephiroth who is completely boring and uninteresting in this game and his constant disruptions ridiculous in anime fashion.
Funny how many things I disagree with you about. First I want to clarify, this is one of my favorite games of all time. Many things you like, I dislike, and vice-versa. I disagree that Remake had better combat and FFXVI combat is great, but not better than Rebirth for me. Padding is much worse in Remake for me since it's tied to whole chapters. Only padding in Rebirth that bothers me in Rebirth is too much mini games tied to story quests. Yeah, open world for sure needs work & we need more genuine exploration, rather than them leading us to things. I dislike summons being tied to VR, instead of legit being out in the world. I disagree that the Dyne section was done well. It was heavily watered down, censored and made more PC (whole message about suicide & mental health is lost since Dyne doesn't off himself) and then instead of letting us grieve, they have Palmer slapping his butt in our faces. Nanaki & Seto scene was good, but it didn't really hit emotionally as I hoped it would. What the ending does for pt.3 & Cloud's future development is incredible, but it completely robbed me any many others out of emotional impact. (I know some still had it) Original still makes me tear up to this day, but to me, I felt nothing. They removed the emotional hit of the most iconic death in gaming history for the shock factor. They could've still made the death hit and still have Cloud not acknowledge it. It just won't be the same when they show that scene in part 3. Also, Cloud is supposed to be "unlikeable" at this point, just like in the OG. He's completely controlled by Sephiroth, to the point it makes it sad. He literally drops the Black Materia just so he can mock Cloud by having him bring it back to him. Also I disagree about Tifa, I think she was amazing in this game. Story explains perfectly why she's afraid to talk about Cloud's unreliable memories, because Cloud literally goes off each time when it comes to that. And I also disliked Zack & Cloud teaming up against Sephiroth because it felt so cheesy and forced. ESPECIALLY Cloud reciting Angeal's "Soldier honor" speech together with Zack. Also one bad thing you didn't mention is that audio sfx/music balancing is really bad at some points in this game. Often you can't hear the dialogue because music is being too loud, compared to character voices. I also dislike that they gave us Bizarro Sephiroth way too early and then didn't give us his battle OST "Birth of a God." I also dislike that Temple of the Ancients didn't get a proper rendition of its OST, nor did Forgotten Capital get a proper rendition of its OST, which didn't even play in the area. Only the "Seven Secodns till the end" variation of it played in the Temple, and it was much different.
Nothing "hit me emotionally in Rebirth" because the entire plot is told as if Cloud is having a fever dream/fan fic. It's like they gutted FF7 OG and made a weird multiverse anime story out of it. Aerith was the weirdest character in Rebirth. They tried to make something poignant out of plot but it falls flat. The fact that the game is censored to be played for children doesn't help, as they clearly made the scene where Aerith apparently dies completely blood free leading to confusion and lack of emotions. She should have been stabbed by the Katana, and lay dead in a pool of blood with Cloud yelling like Guts in Berserk, not smile without a wound and then reappear later. It's all badly done.
I got burned out by the exploration, skipped the last set of mini games to see the story at the end and was extremely disappointed. That sums up my experience with Rebirth
Finally someone said it. I love this game, and it’s, honestly, one of the greatest games I’ve ever played, and it’ll be one of my all-time favorites, but god damnit, THERE WERE TOO MANY FUCKING MINI GAMES!!! If SE has to reduce their budget for the third game (I hope not), they’ll leave out non-essential mini games, and only include the ones we know and love. 🏂
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I think it's interesting that the game doesn't spell it out, but I think Sephiroth's plan from the beginning is revealed in how Aerith still dies. He is in control of Whisperers and may now have some control over fate. There's something cool and terrifying about that. I think there are still a lot of surprises to come.
Nobody forces you to play the minigames. With some few exceptions they are completely optional.
And?
So stop crying about something you dont have to do.
That or just git gud scrub.
@@genonunez8527deep thoughts don't occur often in your world, do they?
The wildlife and Chadley beckon you to do them not to mention materia and weapons or items being locked behind them. You don’t have to but what else is there to engage with?
@@Djamp_htx The most useful materia can be unlocked in side quests and combat challenges. The minigames are not that important.
You are correct, sir. I love this game but I also hate many parts of it. I just came back from a solid two month break of playing it. Chasing Moogles to get to buy shit? Capturing the f*cking giant chickens over and over Metal Gear Solid style? F*ck them and their endless bloat of minigames.Yet somehow I still love this game!
One thing you didn’t mention is the music. I didn’t notice a lot of the tracks in this one and if I did it was because they were repetitive and kind of annoying. Another thing I didn’t like was that the first one made it seem like most of the timeline fate stuff would be over and that this game would go in a different direction than the original, but this one felt less different from the original than remake did. Also I was confused by what happened in the ending. Like with all the timeline stuff. Also the side characters from remake overstayed their welcome in this
How could you not hear the music? It was louder than anything else in the game. I had to turn it down because many times I had to read the subtitles to know what they were saying xD
But there was a lot of repetitive music, especially during exploration
The music was less memorable than Remake.
I only liked Corel ascent tracks, and the prologue Nibelheim track when ascending Mount Nibel.
Everything else was generic videogame tracks. It's jarring when coming from 16 or 14 which has really hard hitting Soken as composer.
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I honestly feel that people who praised this game to no end and gave it 10/10, really told me the level of intelligence modern gamers have.
That is, zero. I had to cringe every time the reviewer in this video said: "By the way, I love this game, it's a JRPG masterpiece". What is a masterpiece, truly, about this game? Boring open world, and narratively, nothing happens in this game. And what does is stupid (entire whisper sub plot). It's also not as massive as described. Once you've reached Corel, you basically saw 90% of the game since the game just brings you back there, and most of the game happens around Corel/costa del Sol/Gold Saucer. What you have in the open world are completely useless Ubisoft check marks. Yes I did them all, as a completionist, but was it good game time? No. Let's call this game what it is. A Waste of time. They should and could have combined part 2 and 3 into a single game, by cutting all the fat from Rebirth. What was good about FF7 Remake part 1? How cinematic it was, and especially the characterisation and bonding. Simple things like when you arrive in the slums, and the Slum + Tifa theme play. It was masterfully done for a PS4 game. It pulls you in, makes you feel like you are a merc integrating a group of terrorists. Rebirth gives you zero similar feelings. The characters are all bland, and Aerith feels like an android that speaks. Why is she speaking in riddles, why isn't she surprised when anything weird like Sephiroth appearing happens? It's all a mess. 99% who praise this game, I can vouch for, will admit that they do not understand the story. That's how dumb gamers are. This game has great gameplay and graphics, but is HOLLOW underneath the husk. That people can't see that is baffling to me. It is a step down from FF7 Remake Part 1, despite all the bells and whistles added. I thoroughly enjoyed FF7 Remake part 1 because of what it delivered on (only negative part for me was the entire Market Down/Don Corneo part which lingers on too long). I cannot say the same of Rebirth. Rebirth feels like an introduction to part 3 and is entirely skippable.
your channel is the perfect example of being able to love something and still be critical of said thing.
It's crazy how I don't disagree with any of your complaints, but I still had a blast with mostly everything in the game. I loved the Nibel chocobo, dammit. I can always count on you for an interesting take, I think the conversation around this game is going to be insane. I think it's still going to go down as one of the greats of all time. Like, with some kind of "most annoying masterpiece ever made" moniker.
I only started rebirth last week and my only complaint is the minigames
Every game has good and bad. No game is 100% good, and most are not 100% bad. What matters is that the good outweighs the bad. The fact that I am able to keep going back and playing it without dropping it is proof that Rebirth is a good game. However, it does have flaws that I hope the developers improve upon in the final game, so it is a less stressful experience.
The mini games are optional. I loved every mini game. Don’t forget this is the middle game of a trilogy it’s not supposed to tell you everything
FF7 Rebirth to me is 9.5/10. Hard agree with most of your points. I actually didn't mind the open world so much, but the amount of mini-games was getting a bit much. I'd also like them to add an option to skip most of Chadleys chatter. A bit too much stopping for animations.
Story and combat though, absolutely fucking amazing
Actually this reminds me of the 2020s. I need to complain about fucking something. I may die if I don't.
Gongaga was easily the most annoying zone.
Mixed reviews is the analysis and finding no negative reviews makes a mixed set of reviews not possible, there would need to be negative reviews mixed in with the positive. The positive reviews should still have negative things to say about the game...I wonder if the word you're thinking of is neutral which used to be a thing you could mark your review as on Steam IIRC. Well anyway, my overall opinion of this game is positive. But I can agree that it had some serious problems and not a few of them, either.
The way this game has totally positive review, and that the fan base spits at people that criticise the game, reminds me of a totalitarian society that refuses to accept reality. It's such a flawed game, especially narratively. The narrative is so weak in this game it makes me cry. The OG had a simple plot, but it hit hard. You really feel like you're playing a game without soul in the narrative here.
@@Bahamut3525 The way some people are talking about FF7R 1 and 2, it's like they think it's Star Wars episodes 7 and 8 all over again. That's completely unfair in my mind. There are going to be some things we dislike about the new games, I mean the OG wasn't perfect, it was too easy for starters, and I can point out many other flaws as well. It only scores a little bit higher than rebirth using the RankOne rating categories(I actually have my own rating system that uses 5 categories, and part of that involves lumping soundtrack and visuals into the same category of 'art'), so I essentially understand where people are coming from if they find this Rebirth game to be disappointing, but the levels of dissatisfaction seems like it might be a bit too high.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw For me it's weird. Because I thoroughly enjoyed Remake part 1. It had flaws (like Wall Market section being annoying, or the whisper ending) but I really enjoyed what it did, which was give you a cinematic experience of the Midgar sequence. Lots of kino moments like the Jesse mission, or when you arrive in the Slums and meet Tifa. The music is also gorgeous. I expected them to really build on this in Rebirth, and gameplay & open world wise, they did. However narratively, all the worries people had with the (nonsense) ending of part 1 were realised. Basically it feels like the plot is going nowhere, and that is BAD for a FF game where plot is really huge IMO. you want me to summarise it? With Rebirth, I feel like I went on a Costa Del Sol holiday where I play an arcade mini game area. I don't feel like I played an epic FF game. And this is so jarring when even flawed FF16 had a truly epic story.
@@Bahamut3525 I get what you mean but my summary of my experience with Remake was I finished the tutorial of the OG... and from a story perspective that's incredibly bloated and the few parts that I disliked about the story took up a huge percentage of the overall story compared to Rebirth. It's a shame that I can't use my own category ratings on that site because in my mind, Rebirth was so much better than Remake. It's not even close. Yeah, Remake had better music on average, but other than that, anything I didn't like about Rebirth even though they were doubling down on things was essentially Remake's fault. Tifa can't mix drinks leads to Tifa's shirt is indestructible, etc.
@@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw So from your take, I'm guessing your the type of gamer that doesn't give a S about story. Remake part 1 was all about SLOW story telling. Rebirth basically has no real story that makes sense, its just you wandering across the world following the hooded figures, and doing meaningless activities along the way. I don't mind gameplay, I love gameplay and Rebirth did good on this. However I care about narrative in FF games. Most gamers don't seem to care. This is why this franchise really drops the kind of gamer I am. It's just not for me. I completed nearly everything in Rebirth (found all the shrines, all the crystal areas, etc) and it left me like I played a game for children, and completed Ubisoft activities. Even the swim suit part in costa del sol felt like tacked on fan service for children. There is no stake in this narrative, no epic countdown or thing to solve. Nothing. Just a feeling that you have to stop Sephiroth who is completely boring and uninteresting in this game and his constant disruptions ridiculous in anime fashion.
Haha what if you never played ff7 og. Loved rebirth and thought had to be a yoko taro remake lol
Funny how many things I disagree with you about. First I want to clarify, this is one of my favorite games of all time. Many things you like, I dislike, and vice-versa. I disagree that Remake had better combat and FFXVI combat is great, but not better than Rebirth for me. Padding is much worse in Remake for me since it's tied to whole chapters. Only padding in Rebirth that bothers me in Rebirth is too much mini games tied to story quests. Yeah, open world for sure needs work & we need more genuine exploration, rather than them leading us to things. I dislike summons being tied to VR, instead of legit being out in the world. I disagree that the Dyne section was done well. It was heavily watered down, censored and made more PC (whole message about suicide & mental health is lost since Dyne doesn't off himself) and then instead of letting us grieve, they have Palmer slapping his butt in our faces. Nanaki & Seto scene was good, but it didn't really hit emotionally as I hoped it would. What the ending does for pt.3 & Cloud's future development is incredible, but it completely robbed me any many others out of emotional impact. (I know some still had it) Original still makes me tear up to this day, but to me, I felt nothing. They removed the emotional hit of the most iconic death in gaming history for the shock factor. They could've still made the death hit and still have Cloud not acknowledge it. It just won't be the same when they show that scene in part 3. Also, Cloud is supposed to be "unlikeable" at this point, just like in the OG. He's completely controlled by Sephiroth, to the point it makes it sad. He literally drops the Black Materia just so he can mock Cloud by having him bring it back to him. Also I disagree about Tifa, I think she was amazing in this game. Story explains perfectly why she's afraid to talk about Cloud's unreliable memories, because Cloud literally goes off each time when it comes to that. And I also disliked Zack & Cloud teaming up against Sephiroth because it felt so cheesy and forced. ESPECIALLY Cloud reciting Angeal's "Soldier honor" speech together with Zack. Also one bad thing you didn't mention is that audio sfx/music balancing is really bad at some points in this game. Often you can't hear the dialogue because music is being too loud, compared to character voices. I also dislike that they gave us Bizarro Sephiroth way too early and then didn't give us his battle OST "Birth of a God." I also dislike that Temple of the Ancients didn't get a proper rendition of its OST, nor did Forgotten Capital get a proper rendition of its OST, which didn't even play in the area. Only the "Seven Secodns till the end" variation of it played in the Temple, and it was much different.
Nothing "hit me emotionally in Rebirth" because the entire plot is told as if Cloud is having a fever dream/fan fic.
It's like they gutted FF7 OG and made a weird multiverse anime story out of it.
Aerith was the weirdest character in Rebirth. They tried to make something poignant out of plot but it falls flat.
The fact that the game is censored to be played for children doesn't help, as they clearly made the scene where Aerith apparently dies completely blood free leading to confusion and lack of emotions. She should have been stabbed by the Katana, and lay dead in a pool of blood with Cloud yelling like Guts in Berserk, not smile without a wound and then reappear later. It's all badly done.
Amazing video lol
I dont't like the story. I only play the mini-games.
I agree with you...I wanted to love it...ans parts I did....but compared to remake...rebirth felt...ehhh haha
I got burned out by the exploration, skipped the last set of mini games to see the story at the end and was extremely disappointed. That sums up my experience with Rebirth
the music sucks thats why im discouraged in playing it
lol ur reviews always make me lol..
But it's not.
damn some people bitch about everything
Finally someone said it. I love this game, and it’s, honestly, one of the greatest games I’ve ever played, and it’ll be one of my all-time favorites, but god damnit, THERE WERE TOO MANY FUCKING MINI GAMES!!! If SE has to reduce their budget for the third game (I hope not), they’ll leave out non-essential mini games, and only include the ones we know and love. 🏂