I'm a fellow mechanic and I want to give you your props because a lot of bikes really don't start because of this reason and no one really speaks on it or make videos on it because they're not familiar with that....... I GIVE YOU A A+
@@kingjohns2011 thank you very much. It took a year of buying parts and bundling up sitting in a freezing cold garage going over everything watching RUclips videos, etc. It took me a good smart, mechanic friend of mine that thinks outside the box and we figured it out. Thank you very much.
Hi, i have the same problem. Thanks for the video. My repairman says to me it can be the crank bearings. But after I see your video i will try first this method. Hope i can fix it
@@hakkipilan5861 once I got the parts off of another bike, which I was lucky that they didn’t have the same problem, I tested them on the ground just like I did in the video and there were no tolerances at all. That’s where my problem lied.
your a life savor . im having the same problem right now as we speak. i replaced the harness, stater, startor, rect,stator plugs ,coil packs. starter clutch, clutch leaver
I have the same problem in my bike in hot start its like low battery whenever i try to crank it, i will try it to my bike, thanks for sharing for your discovery.
My pleasure, good luck with it. I didn’t see anything on the Internet about it, so I knew it would be pretty messed up if I didn’t share my find. Let me know what you find out.
Thank you your video helped me a lot . I had the problem with my bike. I have 2022 model. And I already drove 50,000 miles. I think my problem because I didn’t change oil enough.
@@AntonA-m8j glad if it helped you, I knew nothing about it until we figured it out. I saw nothing exactly like it online. Do you think you should definitely keep up on the oil whether it has anything to do with that or not, I noticed when I opened mine up that everything had had a little bit of oil on it, so maybe there is some kind of system that keeps a little bit of oil on it. I’m totally not sure about that. But good luck.
Thanks men I believe I had the same issue and for what I seeing I can Fix it My self instead od spending hundreds of $ to thw Mechanic ...GRAET YOU GIVE ME HOPE 🙏.BLESSINGS 👍
My pleasure. From what I experienced, it’s definitely somewhere in between the starter and down at the starter clutch which is the very last gear all the way on the bottom. Good luck to you, let me know if it works. Thanks for commenting
Thanks for the video. You mentioned the wave washer. I didn’t see it in your video because I assume you already had it installed with the new parts. I pulled my cover off to troubleshoot and noticed that there was no wave washer on mine. What issues could this cause and where exactly is the wave washer placed for when I have to order one
@@Suzukigsxrdave it’s been a couple years since I’ve had it apart because that was where the problem lied but it’s just right there on the hollow pin I think sitting against the idler gear. I’ll have to scan my video to see and let you know.
Hey bud, I just reviewed the two videos I had on a hot start issue where I fixed mine and I did not show the wave washer. You are correct, what I remember from it is that when I pulled the idler gear off it was one of the washers that was with the idler gear. You would have to pull up, a diagram maybe at Chaparral or a motorcycle shop where your close to to find out but sorry I didn’t show it. I think it just gives it a little distance and never lets it make to a surface for whatever reason. But yeah, I’ve never had a problem ever since I replaced that part that holds the hollow pin.
@ excellent, I got mine off the bike that had the head blown, but the parts were good because when I got them used, it was nothing like the sloppiness that I had with this one. Let me know if it works out for you, you would be the first one to actuallyrespond that it was a fix.
@@rickgidney1005 been researching forums and videos on my issues. After I run it awhile and turn it off to like get gas etc and go to restart it. It fires up immediately like normal but dies instantly. I’ve pet much did everything to fix n trouble shoot it except adjusting valves.
@@andrewcarreras9968 hey bro I’m not sure, I can’t hear it. I’m not a professional mechanic, but I did learn a lot fixing my hard start issue. If you figure it out and actually fix it, please do come back and share what it was so everybody else can learn from what we had to go through
Hi i have a 2013 triumph tiger 800 with the hot start problem and also the grinding noise while idling and driving..sounds like what you say could be the problem regarding the hollow pin.
@@nortnel201225 thank you. I see a lot of people saying all the parts are gummed up and that’s all they did to fix it but mine was different. Thank you for the comment.
I was searching for the gen 3 Busa problems before I'm going to the dealer for it and found a lot of hot starts issues on those all over the internet. The funny part of this whole story is that people claiming they're technicians with 10, 20 or whatever years of experience and at the same time talking about starter relays, bad battery, bad gas (lol) or whatever... 😂 I'm sure that the problem is 100% mechanical, starter clutch or its gear or the pin just like you've mentioned in your video. And it's a shame that Suzuki just freezes off this problem acting like nothing happends all these years.
@@WeldEXE you’re absolutely right about that. Before I own the bike, I started mentioning what I considered might be a problem and the guy told me that he’s had mechanics from the Suzuki dealership check everything and they couldn’t find it. It took me just thinking hard and looking deep into it and getting my hands on the bike with a smart friend of mine that is like a MacGyver. Really smart dude and we figured it out together. Luckily, I got the parts from a bike that was wrecked from a Cycle Salvage yard and they were good. I just took my chances but all of the parts were only $100 so it was worth a shot for me, and it worked. So that’s where my issue was it’s gross, like they don’t put any extra effort into making that problem go away.
@@rickgidney1005 yeah, people should start thinking and understand how it works before making statements like "it's because of bad starter relay". But they don't 😂
@@WeldEXE OK bro, I don’t know if you have a GEN three or if you were doing it for a friend but nobody has ever really gotten back to me after they told me thank you to let me know if it fixed it or not. Do me a favor and let me know if you find where the problem lies. I’m interested to know. Thanks bud
@@rickgidney1005 well I guess it helped, orherwise they would comment something. I'm going to buy a gen3 Busa this month and if I'll face that "hot start" failure (which is very possible btw :)) I'll take off that cover, inspect the pin and tell you what I've found, no problem. Thanks for the video again, you did a great job! 👍👏
@@MrGsxrboy600 dude, it’s been a couple years since I fixed it but I’m pretty sure it’s called the idler gear. The one that the starter has to jump out and turn. The shaft pin that holds in in place needs to be solid, if it gets deflected, like, if it has enough room to angle, it won’t spinand it will get bound up in its hole that it has to ride in, so yeah. Sorry that you’re having that problem but let me know if that helps. Good luck dude.
@@MrGsxrboy600 check it out, it’s not the gear that’s the problem, it’s the hollow, approximately inch and a half to 2 inch pin that it works on needs to have a solid really tight fixture to sit in. If you take it apart yourself, you’ll see what I mean, if you have somebody else take it apart, you can watch and see what I mean.the shell that clamp it all together at the end is the problem, they need to be really tight with no tolerances available. You know what I mean hopefully
@@MrGsxrboy600 not one person has ever reached out to ask me anything else after I told them what fixed mine. That goes to show me that what I told them had fixed their problem. Once you get your bike working properly again, can you please let me know that you fixed it?I would appreciate that, I’m not looking for views or likes, I just want to know
@rickgidney1005 definitely. At this point I'm close to giving up. What stumps me is that my bike is so new. I've replaced the starter and battery and so far nothing. I have found a lot of others with the same year as mine but nobody could give me answers. Thank you for responding so quickly. I'll keep you updated as soon as I can get work done on mine.
I have a second generation 2007 1300 Hayabusa it a will. Cold startup real good once get hot I come off the clutch she was shut down and won't start up until it cools off
Sometimes the starters are affected over time from the heat, I’m not saying what my problem was, everybody else is going to have. Until you figure it out, you can always pop start your bike. Have somebody push you or get a good roll by walking as hard as you can while you’re on the bike and the only luck I’ve had is doing it in first gear. Second gear just makes it stumble and stop. The first gear makes it turnover really fast like the motor needs. If you’re gonna go out and about and you have to park, try to park on a hill or somewhere where you can get a rolling start
my 2000 SRAD600 with 750FI in it, it does sound like it's binding when starting hot. cold start is fine, but lets say I drive it or let it warm up, stop the engine and try to start it again, it just wont crank as fast anymore and it gets worse and worse with every turn. battery is healthy, starter was just disassembled, inspected, cleaned and greased. started it up after reassembling the starter, cold start was fine. let it warm up to 60-70deg C, shut the engine and try to restart it and it just bogs slower and slower with every crank like the battery was dead. is that pin causing all that?
I tried greasing it up because I was narrowing it down, but doing that didn’t help either. Me and a friend finally noticed it was a little bit sloppy and just decided to go for it and buy one that was used but not loose and it’s been good ever since
@@paceves88 I cleaned the starter, regreased it and then drove 230km in one go. it seemed to help, however it was cleaned from the right side of the engine too. so far no issues except what the starter caused.
@@vahvelpoiss I don’t know if you’re talking about the Hayabusa or the 600 that the guy in the comment was talking about but I’m sure it’s a fairly common thing that not a lot of people know about. You should take years apart and see if it’s loose at all like I showed in the video.
Just to make sure …. I’m having slow cranking when it’s hot …. Mine is clean and oiled up but still having the freaking hot start problem …. I’m trying it tomorrow…. But I was wondering what parts I should get and where to get it from … plus I’m pretty sure that I lost one of the washers .. is that gonna be a problem
I’m not a professional when it comes to it but I definitely learned a lot about it. I got mine from a cycle salvage yard with a Hayabusa they had a blown head but everything else was good. Try to get one off of a fairly new used motor, I got everything for 125 for mine
Sorry I was in a rush when I wrote that, you should get the starter idler gear cover, and the inside cover as well that the pin drops into to hold the idler gear in place, I would get everything else if you’re not sure. There’s another gear that looks like a big pinwheel and then a starter clutch behind that which is all the way down in the front bottom right. Get everything from the starter down to the starter clutch. Sometimes starters get worn out and the magnets swell up and make it act like that but that’s something You’ll need to check. I also put bigger gauge wires from my battery to the starter and it turned a lot faster than the stock ones
The starter is underneath the gas tank, the parts you need to replace are the pin and the housings that sandwich over it on the right hand side under the whole right side plastic cover. I got mine off of a motorcycle they didn’t have the problem from a motorcycle junkyard. You would have to call around and ask.
@@danmancastro Dude that’s bad ass. I spent almost a year trying to narrow it down and I finally did. I’m so glad that it worked for you, I wish more people would respond if it worked for them, I couldn’t find anything About the problem when I was searching but I’m glad to help. Good for you, take care buddy
Yes, this is a 2003 generation one Suzuki Hayabusa, GSX 1300 R 1298 cc, but the bike have had the problem since the original owner and bought it in 2003. Which means it was probably a bad mold.
I have a 2002 Hayabusa and it cranks but no start. I bought a new starter and it didnt work. I sprayed starter fluid in the air intake and it started for a second or two and shut off. I did it again and it started and made a grinding noise that sounded bad. I opened the cover and found metal shavings and the sprockets on the starter were ate up. Not sure what to do now.
Hey kind sir if you reply to this you are a god , So I have a gsxr 1300 , bought it in 2016 new. Recently after 5 years of riding it an issue arose with it not hot starting after having some work done on the transmission ( especially 1,5,6 gears). Now that my transmission was new I didn’t think any problem would rise but my bike would start smooth when cold but as soon as I would be at a gas station it won’t hot start. I would have to wait 15 min for it to start and then it would smoothly. My mechanic suggested to get a new battery which I did but it did not fix the issue , now my bike is at the mechanic’s and he said he is gonna clean up the ignition properly and if that does not work he’l most probably recommend a new one ( the ignition being the part under the tank of the busa I’m not sure what it’s exactly called). The bike runs smooth , no over heating no nothing brand as new. So if his method does not work should I try yours and what parts from the video should I change,replace or repair. It would be of great help if you could offer your insight to another busa bro from a country far away. Thank you in advance my friend.
Also I could not understand the issue with the rod in the video. So it should be still straight and not wobble around at all if I am right. So the cap and the rod will be the parts that need replacing?
I believe I made a second video, explaining the same thing, maybe look at my videos, and find the other one, and it might clear it up for you a little bit. That hollow pin that sits onto the part that is on the bike, should not have any play at all. it should be very tight with no wiggle room. Like a perfectly machine hole for the exact size, mine would wobble around because it was worn out over time. The original owner that on the bike before me said he would have to wait 10 or 15 minutes after it was stopped to start it back up again. By the time I got it, You would have to wait about an hour and some change before it would happen again because everything needed to cool all the way down because it got very worn out. It just keeps getting worse, and if I were you, I would check with a salvage shop to see if you can get the whole group of parts and just swap them out and put them on your bike. I paid $75 for everything from Cycle Salvage shop and put it on, and I have had no problems ever cents.
@@Ryan_utah the hollow pin that the idler gear slips onto is the one you need to check for sloppiness, the case or housing that the pin sits in is the part that gets wallowed out, the pin should twist but not wobble at all. I show it better in the other video. Please keep me in the loop bro. I’ll be here
@@rickgidney1005 alright I understood. The pin should have no wiggle room and should sit strictly straight and rotate on spot right. I will have it checked since I am going to pick the bike tomorrow but the issue was not resolved. I don’t trust my mechanic either seems to me he is just trying to make more money out of me. Il change the entire housing and the pin/rod with it. Will update you on how that goes and thanks for the quick reply man appreciate it a lot .
Sorry, I didn’t see your comment five months ago, hopefully you have figured it out by now. I haven’t worked on it for a long time so I’m not exactly sure which one you’re talking about sorry.
My 2002 ate up the starter motor I just got brand new. The teeth are all screwed up. Pissed off about it all cause I’ve been chasing this issue for close to a year now. SMFH!
yea always when you have starter issues hit the starter with 12 volts directly, bolted up ... HOT that right there would have told you the issue is on the other side of the starter not behind it, wiring or relay whatever... especially if you check at starter pushing the button you get 12 volts on multimeter, easy check both are simple ways to isolate the issue .. NEVER just throw parts at a issue, troubleshoot and isolate, test . . swapping with known good parts is a way to isolate as well.. helps service manuals and mechanic books walk you thru these troubleshooting steps .. always isolate and test wherever you can.. and YES this is a known issue with the bike but not huge you're not the first to say it's prolly a bad batch of castings... too bad we cannot build a database and see if the issue lies within a certain year of bikes certain month builds? of course suzuki has this data...
@@deandee8082 excellent advice, thank you. Voltmeter might sound like English to somebody like you or me, but it might be a foreign language to a new rider or mechanic. But you’re exactly right, the manual will take you through all those steps. They just don’t tell you to look for the problem that I found. But you’re very very on point with saying don’t just buy new parts and put them on expecting to fix the problem, narrow it down first. Thank you.
I got my parts from a place called Neanderthal in California, I don’t think they’re around anymore, but the parts I got came off of a bike with a blown head or something. And I wondered if the parts that I got we’re going to have the same issue so it’s kind of a gamble, but they were fine.if you have to buy them brand new it’s pretty expensive but I got all of the parts for about $100 which was a smoking deal.
I'm from Europe, I plan to keep the bike with me and I have no desire to ever sell it. If it's the same problem as yours, I'll buy new parts no matter how much they cost because I love BKing.
@@markoristic5416 that’s the way I feel, newer bikes, are a little bit faster, but the gen one definitely grows on you, and is totally unique. I won’t get rid of mine either, I love it too much. It’s definitely fast enough for me, and then some!!
Hello friend I hope you are well, I have a model 2000 hayabusa, with the same problem, and I want to see if you can support me, tell me where to contact us. BYE BYE
@@Rracer300zx seriously, I totally agree with you. I was pulling my hair out for a strong year and spending a grip of money. Just trying to figure out how to get my bike to start once I would stop for gas. It’s gross.
I'm a fellow mechanic and I want to give you your props because a lot of bikes really don't start because of this reason and no one really speaks on it or make videos on it because they're not familiar with that....... I GIVE YOU A A+
@@kingjohns2011 thank you very much. It took a year of buying parts and bundling up sitting in a freezing cold garage going over everything watching RUclips videos, etc. It took me a good smart, mechanic friend of mine that thinks outside the box and we figured it out. Thank you very much.
Hi, i have the same problem. Thanks for the video. My repairman says to me it can be the crank bearings. But after I see your video i will try first this method. Hope i can fix it
@@hakkipilan5861 good luck, this try will definitely be cheaper
@@hakkipilan5861 once I got the parts off of another bike, which I was lucky that they didn’t have the same problem, I tested them on the ground just like I did in the video and there were no tolerances at all. That’s where my problem lied.
your a life savor . im having the same problem right now as we speak. i replaced the harness, stater, startor, rect,stator plugs ,coil packs. starter clutch, clutch leaver
Dude, let me know if that works for you. I couldn’t find help out there at all so I wanted to make sure to share my story
I believe I put up two videos, one is shorter and one’s a little longer. One of them I was talking to my brother in but whatever, let me know
Did you get it taken care of?
Definitely a life saver. I’m having this same issue. Where did you buy all your parts at ?
I have the same problem in my bike in hot start its like low battery whenever i try to crank it, i will try it to my bike, thanks for sharing for your discovery.
My pleasure, good luck with it. I didn’t see anything on the Internet about it, so I knew it would be pretty messed up if I didn’t share my find. Let me know what you find out.
Thank you your video helped me a lot . I had the problem with my bike. I have 2022 model. And I already drove 50,000 miles. I think my problem because I didn’t change oil enough.
@@AntonA-m8j glad if it helped you, I knew nothing about it until we figured it out. I saw nothing exactly like it online. Do you think you should definitely keep up on the oil whether it has anything to do with that or not, I noticed when I opened mine up that everything had had a little bit of oil on it, so maybe there is some kind of system that keeps a little bit of oil on it. I’m totally not sure about that. But good luck.
Thanks men I believe I had the same issue and for what I seeing I can Fix it My self instead od spending hundreds of $ to thw Mechanic ...GRAET YOU GIVE ME HOPE 🙏.BLESSINGS 👍
My pleasure. From what I experienced, it’s definitely somewhere in between the starter and down at the starter clutch which is the very last gear all the way on the bottom. Good luck to you, let me know if it works. Thanks for commenting
This was a great video. Thank you very much for making it.
Thanks for the video. You mentioned the wave washer. I didn’t see it in your video because I assume you already had it installed with the new parts. I pulled my cover off to troubleshoot and noticed that there was no wave washer on mine. What issues could this cause and where exactly is the wave washer placed for when I have to order one
@@Suzukigsxrdave it’s been a couple years since I’ve had it apart because that was where the problem lied but it’s just right there on the hollow pin I think sitting against the idler gear. I’ll have to scan my video to see and let you know.
Hey bud, I just reviewed the two videos I had on a hot start issue where I fixed mine and I did not show the wave washer. You are correct, what I remember from it is that when I pulled the idler gear off it was one of the washers that was with the idler gear. You would have to pull up, a diagram maybe at Chaparral or a motorcycle shop where your close to to find out but sorry I didn’t show it. I think it just gives it a little distance and never lets it make to a surface for whatever reason. But yeah, I’ve never had a problem ever since I replaced that part that holds the hollow pin.
@@rickgidney1005 I found that mine was sloppy in that area too. New part ordered
@ excellent, I got mine off the bike that had the head blown, but the parts were good because when I got them used, it was nothing like the sloppiness that I had with this one. Let me know if it works out for you, you would be the first one to actuallyrespond that it was a fix.
@@rickgidney1005 been researching forums and videos on my issues. After I run it awhile and turn it off to like get gas etc and go to restart it. It fires up immediately like normal but dies instantly. I’ve pet much did everything to fix n trouble shoot it except adjusting valves.
Hello! I’m having the same issue makes a click clack noise. So I need a new clutch n pin ?
@@andrewcarreras9968 hey bro I’m not sure, I can’t hear it. I’m not a professional mechanic, but I did learn a lot fixing my hard start issue. If you figure it out and actually fix it, please do come back and share what it was so everybody else can learn from what we had to go through
Hi i have a 2013 triumph tiger 800 with the hot start problem and also the grinding noise while idling and driving..sounds like what you say could be the problem regarding the hollow pin.
Pretty easy to check, good luck with it bud. Let us know what you figure out. People benefit from these conversations.
But question what to do if the housing that the pain goes in happened to crack
@@kingjohns2011 you’ll have to get a replacement, used or new I don’t know which is best
Great buddy nice video good message at all
@@nortnel201225 thank you. I see a lot of people saying all the parts are gummed up and that’s all they did to fix it but mine was different. Thank you for the comment.
I was searching for the gen 3 Busa problems before I'm going to the dealer for it and found a lot of hot starts issues on those all over the internet. The funny part of this whole story is that people claiming they're technicians with 10, 20 or whatever years of experience and at the same time talking about starter relays, bad battery, bad gas (lol) or whatever... 😂
I'm sure that the problem is 100% mechanical, starter clutch or its gear or the pin just like you've mentioned in your video.
And it's a shame that Suzuki just freezes off this problem acting like nothing happends all these years.
@@WeldEXE you’re absolutely right about that. Before I own the bike, I started mentioning what I considered might be a problem and the guy told me that he’s had mechanics from the Suzuki dealership check everything and they couldn’t find it. It took me just thinking hard and looking deep into it and getting my hands on the bike with a smart friend of mine that is like a MacGyver. Really smart dude and we figured it out together. Luckily, I got the parts from a bike that was wrecked from a Cycle Salvage yard and they were good. I just took my chances but all of the parts were only $100 so it was worth a shot for me, and it worked. So that’s where my issue was it’s gross, like they don’t put any extra effort into making that problem go away.
@@rickgidney1005 yeah, people should start thinking and understand how it works before making statements like "it's because of bad starter relay". But they don't 😂
@@WeldEXE OK bro, I don’t know if you have a GEN three or if you were doing it for a friend but nobody has ever really gotten back to me after they told me thank you to let me know if it fixed it or not. Do me a favor and let me know if you find where the problem lies. I’m interested to know. Thanks bud
@@rickgidney1005 well I guess it helped, orherwise they would comment something. I'm going to buy a gen3 Busa this month and if I'll face that "hot start" failure (which is very possible btw :)) I'll take off that cover, inspect the pin and tell you what I've found, no problem. Thanks for the video again, you did a great job! 👍👏
@@WeldEXE thank you sir, good luck
Estimado amigo necesito saber si el piñón loco del hayabusa 2003 le puede servir al hayabusa año 2002?
Yes sir, I believe they are all the same from 1999 to 2005. It should be perfect for you.
@rickgidney whats the name of that part so i can look it up to order. Im having the same problem but mines on a 2022 hayabusa
@@MrGsxrboy600 dude, it’s been a couple years since I fixed it but I’m pretty sure it’s called the idler gear. The one that the starter has to jump out and turn. The shaft pin that holds in in place needs to be solid, if it gets deflected, like, if it has enough room to angle, it won’t spinand it will get bound up in its hole that it has to ride in, so yeah. Sorry that you’re having that problem but let me know if that helps. Good luck dude.
@@MrGsxrboy600 check it out, it’s not the gear that’s the problem, it’s the hollow, approximately inch and a half to 2 inch pin that it works on needs to have a solid really tight fixture to sit in. If you take it apart yourself, you’ll see what I mean, if you have somebody else take it apart, you can watch and see what I mean.the shell that clamp it all together at the end is the problem, they need to be really tight with no tolerances available. You know what I mean hopefully
@@MrGsxrboy600 not one person has ever reached out to ask me anything else after I told them what fixed mine. That goes to show me that what I told them had fixed their problem. Once you get your bike working properly again, can you please let me know that you fixed it?I would appreciate that, I’m not looking for views or likes, I just want to know
@rickgidney1005 definitely. At this point I'm close to giving up. What stumps me is that my bike is so new. I've replaced the starter and battery and so far nothing. I have found a lot of others with the same year as mine but nobody could give me answers. Thank you for responding so quickly. I'll keep you updated as soon as I can get work done on mine.
I have a second generation 2007 1300 Hayabusa it a will. Cold startup real good once get hot I come off the clutch she was shut down and won't start up until it cools off
Sometimes the starters are affected over time from the heat, I’m not saying what my problem was, everybody else is going to have. Until you figure it out, you can always pop start your bike. Have somebody push you or get a good roll by walking as hard as you can while you’re on the bike and the only luck I’ve had is doing it in first gear. Second gear just makes it stumble and stop. The first gear makes it turnover really fast like the motor needs. If you’re gonna go out and about and you have to park, try to park on a hill or somewhere where you can get a rolling start
my 2000 SRAD600 with 750FI in it, it does sound like it's binding when starting hot. cold start is fine, but lets say I drive it or let it warm up, stop the engine and try to start it again, it just wont crank as fast anymore and it gets worse and worse with every turn. battery is healthy, starter was just disassembled, inspected, cleaned and greased. started it up after reassembling the starter, cold start was fine. let it warm up to 60-70deg C, shut the engine and try to restart it and it just bogs slower and slower with every crank like the battery was dead. is that pin causing all that?
Yes, the pin was causing every bit of it, I know because I replaced every thing else possible that it could’ve been. That was the only thing doing it.
I tried greasing it up because I was narrowing it down, but doing that didn’t help either. Me and a friend finally noticed it was a little bit sloppy and just decided to go for it and buy one that was used but not loose and it’s been good ever since
Did u try it did it work I have the same bike and it’s doing the same exact thing cold starts just fine hot it will give me a start or two if am lucky
@@paceves88 I cleaned the starter, regreased it and then drove 230km in one go. it seemed to help, however it was cleaned from the right side of the engine too. so far no issues except what the starter caused.
@@vahvelpoiss I don’t know if you’re talking about the Hayabusa or the 600 that the guy in the comment was talking about but I’m sure it’s a fairly common thing that not a lot of people know about. You should take years apart and see if it’s loose at all like I showed in the video.
Just to make sure …. I’m having slow cranking when it’s hot …. Mine is clean and oiled up but still having the freaking hot start problem …. I’m trying it tomorrow…. But I was wondering what parts I should get and where to get it from … plus I’m pretty sure that I lost one of the washers .. is that gonna be a problem
I’m not a professional when it comes to it but I definitely learned a lot about it. I got mine from a cycle salvage yard with a Hayabusa they had a blown head but everything else was good. Try to get one off of a fairly new used motor, I got everything for 125 for mine
Sorry I was in a rush when I wrote that, you should get the starter idler gear cover, and the inside cover as well that the pin drops into to hold the idler gear in place, I would get everything else if you’re not sure. There’s another gear that looks like a big pinwheel and then a starter clutch behind that which is all the way down in the front bottom right. Get everything from the starter down to the starter clutch. Sometimes starters get worn out and the magnets swell up and make it act like that but that’s something You’ll need to check. I also put bigger gauge wires from my battery to the starter and it turned a lot faster than the stock ones
Where do you a replacement pin that wont cause the same problem? Or do you have to replace the whole starter?
The starter is underneath the gas tank, the parts you need to replace are the pin and the housings that sandwich over it on the right hand side under the whole right side plastic cover. I got mine off of a motorcycle they didn’t have the problem from a motorcycle junkyard. You would have to call around and ask.
@@rickgidney1005 Wow! Thanks for the quick reply! I'm just now seeing it. You solved my problem! We were beating our heads agaisnt the wall!
@@danmancastro Dude that’s bad ass. I spent almost a year trying to narrow it down and I finally did. I’m so glad that it worked for you, I wish more people would respond if it worked for them, I couldn’t find anything About the problem when I was searching but I’m glad to help. Good for you, take care buddy
@@rickgidney1005 Merry Christmas to you and your family!
@@danmancastro Merry Christmas to you and your family as well. Thank you sir
Is this for a gen 1 and how many miles were on the bike?
Yes, this is a 2003 generation one Suzuki Hayabusa, GSX 1300 R 1298 cc, but the bike have had the problem since the original owner and bought it in 2003. Which means it was probably a bad mold.
I have a 2002 Hayabusa and it cranks but no start. I bought a new starter and it didnt work. I sprayed starter fluid in the air intake and it started for a second or two and shut off. I did it again and it started and made a grinding noise that sounded bad. I opened the cover and found metal shavings and the sprockets on the starter were ate up. Not sure what to do now.
Hey kind sir if you reply to this you are a god ,
So I have a gsxr 1300 , bought it in 2016 new. Recently after 5 years of riding it an issue arose with it not hot starting after having some work done on the transmission ( especially 1,5,6 gears). Now that my transmission was new I didn’t think any problem would rise but my bike would start smooth when cold but as soon as I would be at a gas station it won’t hot start.
I would have to wait 15 min for it to start and then it would smoothly. My mechanic suggested to get a new battery which I did but it did not fix the issue , now my bike is at the mechanic’s and he said he is gonna clean up the ignition properly and if that does not work he’l most probably recommend a new one ( the ignition being the part under the tank of the busa I’m not sure what it’s exactly called).
The bike runs smooth , no over heating no nothing brand as new.
So if his method does not work should I try yours and what parts from the video should I change,replace or repair.
It would be of great help if you could offer your insight to another busa bro from a country far away.
Thank you in advance my friend.
Also I could not understand the issue with the rod in the video. So it should be still straight and not wobble around at all if I am right.
So the cap and the rod will be the parts that need replacing?
I believe I made a second video, explaining the same thing, maybe look at my videos, and find the other one, and it might clear it up for you a little bit. That hollow pin that sits onto the part that is on the bike, should not have any play at all. it should be very tight with no wiggle room. Like a perfectly machine hole for the exact size, mine would wobble around because it was worn out over time. The original owner that on the bike before me said he would have to wait 10 or 15 minutes after it was stopped to start it back up again. By the time I got it, You would have to wait about an hour and some change before it would happen again because everything needed to cool all the way down because it got very worn out. It just keeps getting worse, and if I were you, I would check with a salvage shop to see if you can get the whole group of parts and just swap them out and put them on your bike. I paid $75 for everything from Cycle Salvage shop and put it on, and I have had no problems ever cents.
@@Ryan_utah look at the other video that I made about the Hayabusa hot start problem/fix. You might see what I was talking about a little better buddy
@@Ryan_utah the hollow pin that the idler gear slips onto is the one you need to check for sloppiness, the case or housing that the pin sits in is the part that gets wallowed out, the pin should twist but not wobble at all. I show it better in the other video. Please keep me in the loop bro. I’ll be here
@@rickgidney1005 alright I understood. The pin should have no wiggle room and should sit strictly straight and rotate on spot right. I will have it checked since I am going to pick the bike tomorrow but the issue was not resolved. I don’t trust my mechanic either seems to me he is just trying to make more money out of me. Il change the entire housing and the pin/rod with it. Will update you on how that goes and thanks for the quick reply man appreciate it a lot .
How you get the bottom bolt out
Sorry, I didn’t see your comment five months ago, hopefully you have figured it out by now. I haven’t worked on it for a long time so I’m not exactly sure which one you’re talking about sorry.
Im having the same issue. I am going to try this. Ill keep you posted, thanks man!
Did you get your Busa fixed?
My 2002 ate up the starter motor I just got brand new. The teeth are all screwed up. Pissed off about it all cause I’ve been chasing this issue for close to a year now. SMFH!
Yeah, from what I came to learn, it’s a pretty common stupid problem with not too many real good answers out there. Hope this can help you out some.
What year is your busa?
2003
yea always when you have starter issues hit the starter with 12 volts directly, bolted up ... HOT that right there would have told you the issue is on the other side of the starter not behind it, wiring or relay whatever... especially if you check at starter pushing the button you get 12 volts on multimeter, easy check both are simple ways to isolate the issue .. NEVER just throw parts at a issue, troubleshoot and isolate, test . . swapping with known good parts is a way to isolate as well.. helps
service manuals and mechanic books walk you thru these troubleshooting steps .. always isolate and test wherever you can.. and YES this is a known issue with the bike but not huge you're not the first to say it's prolly a bad batch of castings... too bad we cannot build a database and see if the issue lies within a certain year of bikes certain month builds?
of course suzuki has this data...
@@deandee8082 excellent advice, thank you. Voltmeter might sound like English to somebody like you or me, but it might be a foreign language to a new rider or mechanic. But you’re exactly right, the manual will take you through all those steps. They just don’t tell you to look for the problem that I found. But you’re very very on point with saying don’t just buy new parts and put them on expecting to fix the problem, narrow it down first. Thank you.
Same problem on Suzuki bking same engine
Yeah, it’s not fun to deal with but it definitely fixed my issue.
I got my parts from a place called Neanderthal in California, I don’t think they’re around anymore, but the parts I got came off of a bike with a blown head or something. And I wondered if the parts that I got we’re going to have the same issue so it’s kind of a gamble, but they were fine.if you have to buy them brand new it’s pretty expensive but I got all of the parts for about $100 which was a smoking deal.
I'm from Europe, I plan to keep the bike with me and I have no desire to ever sell it. If it's the same problem as yours, I'll buy new parts no matter how much they cost because I love BKing.
@@markoristic5416 that’s the way I feel, newer bikes, are a little bit faster, but the gen one definitely grows on you, and is totally unique. I won’t get rid of mine either, I love it too much. It’s definitely fast enough for me, and then some!!
Hello friend I hope you are well, I have a model 2000 hayabusa, with the same problem, and I want to see if you can support me, tell me where to contact us.
BYE BYE
Sorry I didn’t see your question, ask me whatever you need to, I’d love to help people
Would it have been so hard to design a starter that had the bendix retract and extend like 99% of starters? FFS Suzuki come on!
@@Rracer300zx seriously, I totally agree with you. I was pulling my hair out for a strong year and spending a grip of money. Just trying to figure out how to get my bike to start once I would stop for gas. It’s gross.