I had heard that Chemical Plant was originally the first two acts of Death Egg Zone but were deemed too easy for final stage levels and were thus relocated as its own zone.
@@bojack99 not with crunched development time with a game that barely got finished in time as it is, there’s this thing called context you seem to be constantly ignoring
I’m 35, my sister is older. We played Sonic 2 the most in the 90s. It was my grandmas, she was the sega gamer. Will always be precious to me because of those reasons. And I wanted to play as Tails, we actually argue about who would be Tails. I’d get mad at my sister for not waiting for me :)
22:32 "Can mobians just breathe in space?" Hi, Sonic nerd here. Yes, yes they can. Not only are there tons of games where Sonic and friends hang around on the outside of space stations without any direct confirmation of life support systems or what have you... But also, Super Sonic has been far outside the planet's atmosphere plenty of times, despite the fact he CANNOT breathe underwater. Despite his invincibility, Super Sonic still needs to breathe, yet it never seems to be an issue when fighting anything from Eggman near the Death Egg's orbit, to the Nega Mother Wisp far outside the influence of Eggman's space amusement park in Colors.
Hi fellow Sonic nerd! 😁 I suppose that's a natural part of Mobian biology. I understand its just for gameplay purposes and doesn't need to be fully explained in universe. Always found it funny in Sonic X when Chris had to wear a space suit and everyone else was just walking around like normal 😂
@@nicholastosoni707 probably some traumatic experience with the local community pool in Sonic's childhood when uncle Chuck YEEETED Sonic to the deep end and said "you better learn to swim before i start hearing any drowning music in there!"
Erm actually 🤓 there's a theory that explosions in real life can only happen If there's oxygen. And we have seen multiple explosions in space on sonic games before. So it's easy to assume that the sonic characters don't need to breathe in Space, because there's actual oxygen for them to breathe
@@RobotnikHolmes sorry to tangent from the topic so much, but Shining Force 2 is one of a handful of games that I replay every other year or so. It was my very first RPG, I’d only really played platformers like Mario and Sonic up to that point, and realizing that I could level up characters permanently and therefore eventually beat any level that gave me trouble with enough leveling up, as opposed to memorizing level layouts, was literally game changing for me.
Such good memories I have while I played this game back the day. The yelling at Tails for making me loose rings while in the special zone made me chuckle. Me and my little sis would play the game on split screen mode, or just whenever I would feel in the mode to play Id beat the game over again. The music in this game was always good to play to. I still listen to all the zone music to this day. The sound effects so satisfying. Another great sonic video Robotnik and watching this was really special so thanks!
🥺🥺 I'm happy it brought back nostalgic memories for ya and you could recollect so much from your times playing it, Kitarra. ^.^ Thank you so much for the comment, made me smile!
I was 19 when this came out and boy was i stoked for it and it didn’t disappoint, every time i hear emerald hill zones music it takes me back to those great days
great vid. once again appreciate the spotlights on the history & the ending sections about fangames and ports. does a lot of service and shows ur KNOWLEDGE and general swag.
This video right here is Way Past Cool! I’m gonna turn into the nerd that I am and gush about Sonic The Hedgehog 2. My favorite video game ever, Sonic The Hedgehog 2 is a big part of my life growing up as a gamer and it made me the Sonic fan that I am today. The speed, level design, art, music, & everything else is just done so well. This is a prime example of a video game sequel done right! It’s a tradition to play and beat Sonic 2 every November 24. This games development is also incredibly fascinating to me I spent so many hours and hours researching and playing prototypes, betas, & fan recreations. It’s the most time I ever spent researching a video game, it’s a fun topic talking about whenever Sonic 2 is brought up. I absolutely love the pacing of this game, it’s fast and fun, a great game to pick up and play just blasting through the levels. The level design is so good, pretty amazing that this was the same level designer from sonic 1 since they’re so different. The art is also really great, the levels are so much more memorable than Sonic 1’s to me & I love how unique the levels are including the scrapped levels. The music is just fun to listen to, Masato Nakamura did wonderful here. I really like how expansive the levels are in this game, the multiple paths make the game way more replay able & there’s secrets that I didn’t even know for years! Like that one shortcut in act 2 of chemical plant that skips all of the megamack. The 2 player is a nice inclusion too, I spent a lot of time playing with my cousins and just having fun, for the Sega Genesis hardware it’s really impressive! The bond of Sonic & Tails is done right in this game and I love the normal ending. One last thing, the Greg Martin art is just so amazing, it’s iconic for a reason and any merch that has it i immediately get it. That was a lot to unpack but this video just kept the memories rolling back and your presentation is done so well like the other videos. It’s really nice to hear people go in depth into my favorite video game & you did a wonderful job buddy! :)
Thanks a lot for the awesome comments as always! Always a joy to read and hear how others grew up with the game too. 😁 Glad to know another big Sonic 2 enjoyer, there's SO much that makes for good discussions, and there's still things being discovered about it today! And agreed, Greg Martin's covers are honestly timeless and amazing. 😊 Happy this video brought back memories of your extensive researching of the game too!
wow dude, youre underrated af.. we got the same amount of subscribers and your content is like gazilion times better than mine, i feel bad!! i hope youtube algorithm places you on top, where you belong.
I love Tails. I know a lot of people think he's dorky and dopey, but that's the charm. He's a sweet little kid who needs the role model of Sonic. And he's adorable.
Amazing attention to the small things. I never knew tails’ hitbox was smaller. And as many times as I’ve played through the game, and even recently challenging my kids to beat it (without rewinds on the switch) I never noticed the difference of a rocket strapped to the tornado when tails returns to save Sonic
It’s funny, literally everybody in the western world who had a younger sister, in the 90s, and a genesis, has the same memory of their little sister, who wasn’t nearly into games as much if at all, playing as tails on controller 2 in single player at least once.
51:45 The Act 2 songs in Sonic 2 HD were actually remixed by Toni Leys, if I'm not mistaken Tee Lopes didn't make new remixes for the project for over a decade now and at the time it didn't feature Act 2 variations.
Ah, thank you for the correction! I ought to have checked the credits more thoroughly for that one instead of assuming Tee Lopes returned for the Act 2 remixes. 😅
43:17 wait... THATS A TURTLE!?! wait I see it now. I always thought it was just a head, like you see the little grey things, I thought they were goofy upward-pointing teeth, and I thought it just had green hair
17:50 - Technically, the spike damage glitch from the first game only happened in the North American version, which was rushed out to market. The Japanese version, which came out later, had already fixed it.
19:47 or you could grind on the first one for the required 7 special stages on Sonic Origins port. in that you could just get the required 50 rings fast before the first start post, then complete the stage and then just hit restart level and repeat. selecting restart level resets all including the star posts in the level, but it does not reset your emeralds. sure it is tedious to repeat the same thing again and again 7 times, especially when you could just collect all 7 emeralds in the first two acts alone anyway. this same trick can be somewhat used in Sonic Mania as well, where you can use same giant rings to spam special stages too.
@@RobotnikHolmes Search for The D-Pad Sonic mania Plus part 13. there they had enough of finding new giant rings for the million times and just grinded on the Flying Battery zone's early gring time after time to get through the special stages.
39:38 sonic 2 and 3 had the BEST badnicks… sad only sonic 1’s get remembered outside of mania, two had stuff like the enhanced crabmeat’s in metropolis, Silver/Mecha sonic himself, the D.E.R as a boss, grounder, scratch on wing fortress, there’s just so dang many I can’t even remember the names of who are awesome too, like the bumper shield guys in Casino Night zone
on the earlier prints of the game, the Super Sonic could literally softlock your game if you were not careful with it. not only were there some collision detection issues (thankfully not too much) with Super Sonic. But if you reached the end of the stage with 50 rings or more and before running of the screen jumped after the goal post. it would cause Sonic to "keep his running momentum" after attempting to transform and stay stuck in place on midair. and as you were now unable to go past the screen, the level ending tally never appears and thus you wont get to the next stage. going past goal will also freeze your timer, so no salvation from the time out either. only way out without reseting the game, would be to use debug mode and transform into object and back which would then unfreeze Sonic. This was fixed on later prints of the game where turning into Super Sonic was turned off completely after you went past goal.
Oh there definitely is a way to get chemical plant in 2p mode. It’s a glitch, probably an overflow integer, but my brother and I, after hours of playing, would have mystic cave zone turn into chemical plant on selecting it.
40:33 you can also free yourself from the Grabber by wiggling your d-pad left and right repeatedly. it's good way to free yourself if Tails is not around or if you are playing as him or as Knuckles. edit: 47:37 Same goes for the Hidden Palace zone's Jellygnite badnik
When Robotnik is all alone, who lives in his citys and enjoy his carnivals? Who build this factories, cityss and the battleships and death egg so fast at all? 😅
Sonic with Tails following is hard mode because he'll help you get rings in the special stages, but he also loses your rings if he gets hit. God forbid he dodges any spike balls on his own 🙄
3:18: I would have crapped my pants if I heard that in 1991. If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure I DID crap my pants in 1991. Not because I heard that, no, but because that's the year I was born. XD
He certainly can in the later ports! I was referring to the original release. 🙂 Though that does remind me to use original game footage when referring to things that get fixed later!
"Greatest Video Games if all time" Uses Shining Force 2 music specifically Oh someone has some thoughts they REALLY wanna do something with (Please do this theres so little good shining force content on youtube)
Bruh, I fell in love with that OST before making these retrospectives and I suppose they bled into the background music list. 😂 I'm only familiar with the music, sadly.
I had heard that Chemical Plant was originally the first two acts of Death Egg Zone but were deemed too easy for final stage levels and were thus relocated as its own zone.
Dang, that's like a total opposite of what happened with Labyrinth Zone xD
Bs
Makes sense, they feel like a middle of the game stage, but they’re stage two because of the easy complaint
@gabrieldevoogel6225 right because it's not possible to just make it harder ?
@@bojack99 not with crunched development time with a game that barely got finished in time as it is, there’s this thing called context you seem to be constantly ignoring
Underrated video.
Here, take this sub. Its dangerous to go alone
Thank you kindly 😁 Don't keep it a secret to everybody!
I’m 35, my sister is older. We played Sonic 2 the most in the 90s. It was my grandmas, she was the sega gamer. Will always be precious to me because of those reasons. And I wanted to play as Tails, we actually argue about who would be Tails. I’d get mad at my sister for not waiting for me :)
Such wholesome memories! 🥺 Thank you for sharing them.
22:32 "Can mobians just breathe in space?"
Hi, Sonic nerd here. Yes, yes they can. Not only are there tons of games where Sonic and friends hang around on the outside of space stations without any direct confirmation of life support systems or what have you... But also, Super Sonic has been far outside the planet's atmosphere plenty of times, despite the fact he CANNOT breathe underwater. Despite his invincibility, Super Sonic still needs to breathe, yet it never seems to be an issue when fighting anything from Eggman near the Death Egg's orbit, to the Nega Mother Wisp far outside the influence of Eggman's space amusement park in Colors.
Hi fellow Sonic nerd! 😁 I suppose that's a natural part of Mobian biology. I understand its just for gameplay purposes and doesn't need to be fully explained in universe.
Always found it funny in Sonic X when Chris had to wear a space suit and everyone else was just walking around like normal 😂
@@RobotnikHolmes Wow, Sonic X pretty much confirmed it, too? I didn't even know that! I learned something today. Thanks, fellow Sonic nerd! XD
Head-canon: he can't breathe underwater due to _fear._
@@nicholastosoni707 probably some traumatic experience with the local community pool in Sonic's childhood when uncle Chuck YEEETED Sonic to the deep end and said "you better learn to swim before i start hearing any drowning music in there!"
Erm actually 🤓 there's a theory that explosions in real life can only happen If there's oxygen.
And we have seen multiple explosions in space on sonic games before. So it's easy to assume that the sonic characters don't need to breathe in Space, because there's actual oxygen for them to breathe
"...to create one of the GREATEST VIDEO GAMES OF ALL TIME!"
Words cannot express how my heart swelled when the theme to Shining Force 2 began playing
The OST is soo good! Glad it had the desired effect. 🤭
Def gonna sneak em in future vids!
@@RobotnikHolmes sorry to tangent from the topic so much, but Shining Force 2 is one of a handful of games that I replay every other year or so.
It was my very first RPG, I’d only really played platformers like Mario and Sonic up to that point, and realizing that I could level up characters permanently and therefore eventually beat any level that gave me trouble with enough leveling up, as opposed to memorizing level layouts, was literally game changing for me.
@@nahthanksno8299 yooooo~ I had the same reaction. Hands down, one of my all time favorites.
Mecha Sonic, my hairy arse. He will always be Silver Sonic in my heart!
Silver Sonic will never die!
Silver Sonic will be the only thing left after the heat death of the universe.
Such good memories I have while I played this game back the day. The yelling at Tails for making me loose rings while in the special zone made me chuckle. Me and my little sis would play the game on split screen mode, or just whenever I would feel in the mode to play Id beat the game over again. The music in this game was always good to play to. I still listen to all the zone music to this day. The sound effects so satisfying. Another great sonic video Robotnik and watching this was really special so thanks!
🥺🥺 I'm happy it brought back nostalgic memories for ya and you could recollect so much from your times playing it, Kitarra. ^.^ Thank you so much for the comment, made me smile!
I was 19 when this came out and boy was i stoked for it and it didn’t disappoint, every time i hear emerald hill zones music it takes me back to those great days
great vid. once again appreciate the spotlights on the history & the ending sections about fangames and ports. does a lot of service and shows ur KNOWLEDGE and general swag.
The game was too difficult for me but Tails is just too adorable... so much I named a cat after him!
Tails is still my favorite character to this day.
Honestly, that's based as heck. 🤭 I hope you and your cat had many not-so-difficult adventures!
This video right here is Way Past Cool! I’m gonna turn into the nerd that I am and gush about Sonic The Hedgehog 2.
My favorite video game ever, Sonic The Hedgehog 2 is a big part of my life growing up as a gamer and it made me the Sonic fan that I am today. The speed, level design, art, music, & everything else is just done so well. This is a prime example of a video game sequel done right! It’s a tradition to play and beat Sonic 2 every November 24.
This games development is also incredibly fascinating to me I spent so many hours and hours researching and playing prototypes, betas, & fan recreations. It’s the most time I ever spent researching a video game, it’s a fun topic talking about whenever Sonic 2 is brought up.
I absolutely love the pacing of this game, it’s fast and fun, a great game to pick up and play just blasting through the levels. The level design is so good, pretty amazing that this was the same level designer from sonic 1 since they’re so different. The art is also really great, the levels are so much more memorable than Sonic 1’s to me & I love how unique the levels are including the scrapped levels. The music is just fun to listen to, Masato Nakamura did wonderful here. I really like how expansive the levels are in this game, the multiple paths make the game way more replay able & there’s secrets that I didn’t even know for years! Like that one shortcut in act 2 of chemical plant that skips all of the megamack. The 2 player is a nice inclusion too, I spent a lot of time playing with my cousins and just having fun, for the Sega Genesis hardware it’s really impressive! The bond of Sonic & Tails is done right in this game and I love the normal ending. One last thing, the Greg Martin art is just so amazing, it’s iconic for a reason and any merch that has it i immediately get it.
That was a lot to unpack but this video just kept the memories rolling back and your presentation is done so well like the other videos. It’s really nice to hear people go in depth into my favorite video game & you did a wonderful job buddy! :)
Thanks a lot for the awesome comments as always! Always a joy to read and hear how others grew up with the game too. 😁
Glad to know another big Sonic 2 enjoyer, there's SO much that makes for good discussions, and there's still things being discovered about it today! And agreed, Greg Martin's covers are honestly timeless and amazing. 😊 Happy this video brought back memories of your extensive researching of the game too!
This deserves a lot more views !! I have a channel so appreciate the work that’s been put in 👊🏼
Thank you! 😁😁
wow dude, youre underrated af..
we got the same amount of subscribers and your content is like gazilion times better than mine, i feel bad!!
i hope youtube algorithm places you on top, where you belong.
Thank you very much, Tomandes! Let's encourage each other to do our best through the algorithm 😁
Very well done. Reminds me of older DYK Gaming videos. Very informative and well put together. Great job!
Older DYK Gaming takes me back. 😌 Thank you for the kind comment, BlueWarrior!
Amazing retrospective video ❤ your videos are always so detailed and educational for new fans!
Thak you so much!! 💖💖
Been enjoying your format and takes
Thank you very much! Expect more in this kinda format. 😎
I love Tails. I know a lot of people think he's dorky and dopey, but that's the charm. He's a sweet little kid who needs the role model of Sonic. And he's adorable.
I love your videos. You put so much effort into them! I love the badnik rundown.
Thanks a lot! I'm proud of the bestiary menu. 😆 I made it myself!
I don’t comment much, but I loved the level of detail in this video. You are producing way better content than most bigger channels. Subscribed. 👍
Many thanks for enjoying my long rambles and for the nice comment too. 😁 I appreciate you!
Amazing attention to the small things. I never knew tails’ hitbox was smaller. And as many times as I’ve played through the game, and even recently challenging my kids to beat it (without rewinds on the switch) I never noticed the difference of a rocket strapped to the tornado when tails returns to save Sonic
😁 Glad to enlighten you with the little details! (also super wholesome that you introduced your kids to Sonic games! 🥺)
God damn that's why the tornado has a rocket in sonic 3
It’s funny, literally everybody in the western world who had a younger sister, in the 90s, and a genesis, has the same memory of their little sister, who wasn’t nearly into games as much if at all, playing as tails on controller 2 in single player at least once.
For real! 😁
Great video! The commentary and editing complement each other very nicely here and makes for an entertaining and engaging video.
As someone with a soft spot for this game due to it being my first game ever, love the video and so far I love the channel... subbed~!
Many thanks for the kind comment! I hope you have a good time. 😁
51:45 The Act 2 songs in Sonic 2 HD were actually remixed by Toni Leys, if I'm not mistaken Tee Lopes didn't make new remixes for the project for over a decade now and at the time it didn't feature Act 2 variations.
Ah, thank you for the correction! I ought to have checked the credits more thoroughly for that one instead of assuming Tee Lopes returned for the Act 2 remixes. 😅
Liked, commented, already subscribed.
Thank you very much, Chubby Ice Cube!! 😁
I love this game to 16 bits!
I see what you did there. 😉 Me too!
43:17 wait... THATS A TURTLE!?! wait I see it now. I always thought it was just a head, like you see the little grey things, I thought they were goofy upward-pointing teeth, and I thought it just had green hair
I thought that too! My mind was blown. 😂
17:50 - Technically, the spike damage glitch from the first game only happened in the North American version, which was rushed out to market. The Japanese version, which came out later, had already fixed it.
Ah, had totally missed that bit of info out. 😅 Thank you for pointing that out!
19:47 or you could grind on the first one for the required 7 special stages on Sonic Origins port.
in that you could just get the required 50 rings fast before the first start post, then complete the stage and then just hit restart level and repeat.
selecting restart level resets all including the star posts in the level, but it does not reset your emeralds.
sure it is tedious to repeat the same thing again and again 7 times, especially when you could just collect all 7 emeralds in the first two acts alone anyway.
this same trick can be somewhat used in Sonic Mania as well, where you can use same giant rings to spam special stages too.
Oh dang, never heard of that method in Origins and Mania. 😮
@@RobotnikHolmes Search for The D-Pad Sonic mania Plus part 13. there they had enough of finding new giant rings for the million times and just grinded on the Flying Battery zone's early gring time after time to get through the special stages.
39:38 sonic 2 and 3 had the BEST badnicks… sad only sonic 1’s get remembered outside of mania, two had stuff like the enhanced crabmeat’s in metropolis, Silver/Mecha sonic himself, the D.E.R as a boss, grounder, scratch on wing fortress, there’s just so dang many I can’t even remember the names of who are awesome too, like the bumper shield guys in Casino Night zone
on the earlier prints of the game, the Super Sonic could literally softlock your game if you were not careful with it.
not only were there some collision detection issues (thankfully not too much) with Super Sonic.
But if you reached the end of the stage with 50 rings or more and before running of the screen jumped after the goal post.
it would cause Sonic to "keep his running momentum" after attempting to transform and stay stuck in place on midair.
and as you were now unable to go past the screen, the level ending tally never appears and thus you wont get to the next stage.
going past goal will also freeze your timer, so no salvation from the time out either.
only way out without reseting the game, would be to use debug mode and transform into object and back which would then unfreeze Sonic.
This was fixed on later prints of the game where turning into Super Sonic was turned off completely after you went past goal.
Oh there definitely is a way to get chemical plant in 2p mode. It’s a glitch, probably an overflow integer, but my brother and I, after hours of playing, would have mystic cave zone turn into chemical plant on selecting it.
40:33 you can also free yourself from the Grabber by wiggling your d-pad left and right repeatedly.
it's good way to free yourself if Tails is not around or if you are playing as him or as Knuckles.
edit: 47:37 Same goes for the Hidden Palace zone's Jellygnite badnik
When Robotnik is all alone, who lives in his citys and enjoy his carnivals? Who build this factories, cityss and the battleships and death egg so fast at all? 😅
If I had to guess? His robotic workforce xD
I always thought Sonic 1 looked better
Sonic with Tails following is hard mode because he'll help you get rings in the special stages, but he also loses your rings if he gets hit. God forbid he dodges any spike balls on his own 🙄
I find it funny how my mecha sonic is the one from Archie when sonic got Roboticized into it, which would go onto he the design used in sonic 3
The next "Sonic 2's Day" will be November 24ᵗʰ 2026.
3:18: I would have crapped my pants if I heard that in 1991.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure I DID crap my pants in 1991. Not because I heard that, no, but because that's the year I was born. XD
😆😆 Thank you for giving me a laugh today, bud!
@@RobotnikHolmes Glad I could help. :p
"The boss of this stage is the Eggmarine" (Explosion effect)
Oil Ocean Zone (Realistic) 😂
I was a 90s kid and my dad got this game for me for my 9th birthday
That's so nice! 🥺
Hell yea, sonic 2!!!!!
I figured by your username you are a fan? Thank you for checking this vid out! 😁
@@RobotnikHolmes yes, sonic 2 is the best 2d sonic imo
15:44 If Sonic has Tails accompanying him, Tails does have the ability to fly and carry Sonic.
He certainly can in the later ports! I was referring to the original release. 🙂 Though that does remind me to use original game footage when referring to things that get fixed later!
@@RobotnikHolmes Thanks for clarifying that, I wasn't aware of that detail.
Imo, Sonic 2 has the second best ost, ever. My favorite is Snatcher.
Snatcher is a good game. 🙂
Why did you @ 26:30 say “there’s a dog in there as well?” Just wondering?😂
The neighboor's dog started barking during the recording process, but I kept it in. 🤣
The Time Travel concept was decided to just be on Sonic CD and not Sonic 2 mid way through
48:37 Because Blaze the Cat doesn’t count apparently.
I should have added "other dimensions don't count" xD Pre-2023, only male characters could use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into a Super State.
yep. that's what i'm always saying: sonic 2 is the best game ever made. period. :D
if i hear one more thing about mobians or mobius im going to cry
😂 Going to address that in the next video, but I know it fell out of fashion during the Dreamcast era.
6:02 why are the names censored?
It was like that in the original documents, that wasn't me xD
"Greatest Video Games if all time" Uses Shining Force 2 music specifically
Oh someone has some thoughts they REALLY wanna do something with
(Please do this theres so little good shining force content on youtube)
Bruh, I fell in love with that OST before making these retrospectives and I suppose they bled into the background music list. 😂 I'm only familiar with the music, sadly.
@RobotnikHolmes You should absolutely go play those games if you get time. Some of the best SRPG'S out there!
Sonic 2
Sonic 2
I beg to differ.... definitely not the best nor my fav
"alternate" isn't pronounced like that
Noted! Thank you for pointing that out 👍
@@RobotnikHolmes excellent content though, love your work
The ah quah tick ruin zone
I really like your content ...
but you have a very alternate way of pronouncing 'alternate.'
I tend to mispronounce words sometimes. 😂 But I'm working on it. Thank you for pointing it out!