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The 2020 iPad Pro was the smallest change ever. All it got was a LIDAR sensor nobody uses and a chip non-upgrade, enabling a single core on a previously binned processor. The M2 is a significantly better upgrade from the M1 than the A12Z was from the A12X.
@@techinrl9869 Exactly! But all of the review channels are portraying it as the worst upgrade to glorify M1 and this has been the trend for quite a while. When M1 came out, all reviewers were like this is an overkill. No one needs such extra processing power. Now that M2 is there, suddenly M1 is their sweet spot.
You guys are not speaking from the perspective of new users or users who haven’t purchased iPads in years. All the news are so pessimistic. The last time I owned an iPad was 2014. So heck yeah I’m going to get this.
I just placed an order for the M2 11 inch 2022 model. It'll be my first Ipad. Im excited to use it for my illustrations and take it with me almost anywhere instead of my laptop.
I was going to say something similar. Most of these reviews talk in the perspective that the user upgrades yearly. Devices like these aren’t meant to be updated yearly. Many people are on different upgrade cycles or are getting one for the first time.
Even if you are a new user or someone that hasn't used one for years, why would you want to spend £899 on an iPad that is not significantly better than say a refurbished 2020 model for £469?
@@sidh4065 for sure mini led display and up to 1k nits brightsness, but if youre going to use the pencil alot for drawing consider 11 inch, the mini led display creates thickness between the pencil causing parallex-like effect. and i cna carry the 11 inch without getting tired with one hand while drawing on the other.
No matter how you want to see it, the hover feature is a huge deal to those WHOSE WORKFLOW benefits from it. You see those key words I put in all caps back there? Just because your PERSONAL WORKFLOW does not benefit from a feature, it doesn't make it useless. Now with that being said, I don't think the new iPad is worth it, but it is an understatement to call your comment an exaggeration.
@@immalkah Hey, remember that part where I said the feature is useless? No? That’s because I didn’t say that. Thanks for getting unnecessarily triggered over something that wasn’t even said. I’ll enjoy our future conversations
Eve said, “well duh, thats what I’m trying to tell everyone” , corrupt over paid market team ruined the company just like they did with the Blackberry.
@@lockedherselfout then they should probably be angry at Apple that the company only just now introduced the capability, while other companies have offered it for over a decade. It can't have been *that* "HUGE" or folks would have abandoned Apple. Competitors even did it on far less capable hardware, which means Apple could have done it all along. And now they only introduce it on their latest iteration to convince you to shell out another thousand bucks, even though it's a software solution. But nobody seems to care that they're being fleeced by Apple. Oh well.
I look at it this way: If you don’t have but can use an iPad Pro, by all means get one! But, if you have a 2018 or later version already, it’s probably not worth the upgrade unless you really need that thunderbolt port or the extra speed.
Honestly, I had the iPad pro 2018 12.9" that I bought secondhand, and it served me for years as a student, and it was GREAT! Three weeks ago, I 'upgraded' it to iPad pro 11" m1, because I'm no longer a student. I don't need a bigger iPad, but I still want an iPad for daily use. Honestly, I can't feel any difference in performance between the 2018 pro and the m1 pro.
What about the camera? I use my 2017 iPad Pro to make videos. The camera is abysmal in anything but bright sunlight. Changing color temperature. Poor auto exposure. Just something a cheap $10.00 camera would have. Has the camera been improved dramatically from the 2018?
@@soarornor Honestly, I can’t answer this question because I never used my old iPad camera. I use my iPhone camera, which is much better than than the m1 11” cameras.
@@Guy9502 That would be the polar opposite of me as shooting and editing video on my iPad goes on daily. I fell into it because I love shooting with the large iPad screen and I can do really interesting camera moves which are not possible with a regular camera. I wish Apple would make a special cinema version of the iPad with a camera that is even better than the iPhone 14 pro. An extra enhanced version of iMovie as well and a stereo mic setup that is isolated from the body of the iPad. I don’t that’s much to ask! There’s a lot of people that would buy that.
What's also noteworthy: The stage manager only works on the M-Chips and they probably will be supplied with software updates longer than the 2020 or 2018 models (although the A12Z is a very strong chip)
If they’re strong chips, then why do Apps not load fully or properly, and why do they crash in Stage Manager? *referencing iOS 16 all the way up to iOS 17.1* I HATE multitasking on iPad AND Macbook now! The 2011 Macbook Pro with SSD was even faster and more capable than these devices in 2023!
Totally agree. I needed to upgrade my iPad for a while now and was waiting on the new 10th gen, but seeing its spec and price thought I’d just get the 9th gen. Then I checked the refurbished models and ended up buying a 2020 iPad Pro 11” for £469.
The big feature that made me upgrade from the 2020 model to the newer model is 5G for those of us using a cell data version. As internet is spotty in certain places I go for work, 5G really shines over LTE. If I had some way to have internet through a sim card, I'd carry my Macbook Pro regularly. iPad Pro with data is just more versatile for places where you don't have wifi.
I don't really get why people want cellular on it when you can just tether your phone as a wired or even wifi hotspot. Why pay for cellular data and a second phone line for your tablet? unless you don't mind spending all that extra on a minor convenience of not having to press the hotspot button on your phone, I guess.
@@KjKase well in my original post I said where I’m at it’s spotty and I’d carry my MacBook Pro with me if I could. WiFi Hotspot doesn’t work well if you don’t have a strong signal. Direct signal is more accessible.
@@JeffMyers409 ah, I guess you can have bad signal even if your phone is right there in your pocket if there's lots of other wifi signals in the area you're in?
Got myself the refurbed 11" iPad Pro (2021) two weeks ago. Now I can comfortably wait for the next iteration with a "now it makes sense to upgrade" feature. Not even sure if I'd upgrade for "just a mini LED / OLED" display. There needs to be more than these tiny-features to warrant an iteration.
I went with the M1 iPad Pro 12.9” as a replacement for my 2016 iPad Pro 9.7”. Saved $350 vs. comparable M2. The 12.9” is a beast: practically a different product category. But that screen is gorgeous, and I plan on doing photo work on it.
Yoo I have the 9.7 pro too. Helped me so much through Highschool and also for my digital art. it is still going strong, only problem being it’s 32GB storage. I think about getting the 2021 pro with 256GB
@@kozzietea you are speaking big facts!!! Im still mad there is no suitable instagram app.. dont wanna sound like a heavy instagram user but… thats the most simple thing for a first step to fully utilize M chips i gues 😂
I’m sticking with my M1 iPad Pro, Magic Keyboard and pencil. This si my daily driver, I use it for work and home. Not replacing this until Apple drops support for it
The M2 IPad Pro is awesome and the new media engine is going to be great for people who only use the iPad Pro as their main or only computing device. I’m upgrading fro the M1 IPad Pro. I would recommend people not buy the old iPad Pro lol. I make a very good living using the IPad Pro only and all the new upgrades are going to make the IPad Pro even better.
Honestly i wouldve just went with the m1 but because of the hover on the m2, it is incredibly useful for me as an artist. Still using the ipad pro 10.5 inch so looking forward to upgrade!
I recently bought an iPad Pro 2018 and it's perfectly fine for me. I don't need the better camera system on the newer iPads neither the slightly better performance. Only the 120hz display is important to me
Bro i would rather get this than a m1 chip a s the upgrades will stop on the ipad pro 2021 11 inch ones so there is no point in getting and what is wrong with this ?
I decided to upgrade from my M1 iPad Air to the M2 Ipad Pro just for the performance bump and mini LED display (and HDR capabilities). However, if I had the M1 iPad Pro to begin with instead of the iPad Air, I would not have.
Bought the 12.9 inch 256 GB M2 iPad Pro on 5/18/24 brand new in BJ’s for $890 last one left love it. I bought the iPad Pro 11 with the OLED display didn’t see much of a difference sent it back and got a refund of $1100.👈👀
I've been holding off on buying the Pro waiting for this update and hoping they'd at least bring miniLED to the 11" model but we know what happened there lol. It's such a lazy update they didn't even bother moving the camera to the landscape location which they only brought to the regular iPad. Really happy with my newly purchased M1, which is quite an upgrade from my almost 2-year old Air 4. ProMotion is amazing and the RAM difference is so obvious, my apps no longer close as often in the background now.
Moving the camera to the landscape location without sacrificing something else isn't really possible, at least for the moment. The Ipad 10 has that and look at the drawbacks. You can't charge the apple pencil on the side because it's already occupied by the camera. Even worse, if it only supports the first gen apple pencil, you'd have to use a usb-c to lightning adapter to charge the apple pencil.
Hope you see my. Comment 🤚🏻 I NOTICED THAT YOU compared the iPad models based on CPU, but how are they doing based on GPU? I’ve done a tiny research on the gpu differences between pro models and it seems they got an upgrade in each year. The 2018 has 7-core graphics and 2020 has 8 and the 2022 got 10core graphics. So how are they doing? is there a big difference in the the real life test? Hope you make a video explaining and testing that.
Got this iPad in 1TB at late 2023. Had a great discount but because I am coming from 2017 IPad Pro. It’s miles ahead of speed and export my images is way faster. Having the TB4 port really helped in transferring files. But hearing the diff from 2021. It’s understandable why this model should be skipped.
My girlfriend’s daughter broke her iPad 8th gen so I gave her my air 5 and brought this one for me. But the larger screen and features are definitely better for me as a professional photographer.
People like me really look forward to gaming with friends on iPhone and iPad. M2 iPad Pro is great for gaming. There are a select few games in iOS that run retina graphics and 120fps or 90fps. pubg and 2k mobile is some of them. You can't do that on a Mac. Macs don't have those apps. It's lame for gaming. And most people are not buying Macs to record serious music or making high quality photos or videos. Most of us are working other jobs that don't need that sort of stuff.
Except it’s not, it’s only faster in theory, it’ll throttle just like my m1 if you play anything intensive. Sure it’s still faster than an iPhone but if all you’re upgrading for is games then that’s inadvisable, you won’t get much better performance in intensive games at all over a 2018 iPad lol. I know this for a fact as someone who’s owned multiple iPads over the years for art and push it relatively hard, they throttle
@@wandrinsheep I had an A12X bionic iPad Pro 12.9. 2 K Mobile was running retina at 60fps. It was cooking my tablet and ran 30fps after a few games in. My M1 is running that game warm to the touch now. I don’t think processing art images is cooking a device like that. Games are the ultimate test for any device
Hover is not a software feature. Dave2D covered this: while older iPads may support some form of Hover, its distance is only 1-2mm, and it's not terribly precise so it's useless for digital artists. They improved the Digitizer Layer in the screen to allow for 12mm hover and tilt sensing. It's hardware. I can't believe some dude on Twitter or Reddit throws out the "but Hover already was on previous iPads" and people parroting it without checking that the older hover feature was basically useless for productive work.
Some things forgotten, as the 10 core GPU compared to 7 cores. No touch display on a macbook, the portability of a tablet compared to a laptop. I am missing 4G/5G on all macbooks ever since. Big failure by Apple, not to integrate. But you are right: The prices are insanely high. And: macOS is a weird old school system, with many bugs. I changed from an ipad pro A11X to a A12X, then to a M1 and downgrade to an A12Z, but will get my ipad pro M2 tomorrow! Using Mac studio for heavy video rendering, encoding and machine learning.
Hi there. Could you help me to figure out which iPad should I go with? I can buy an iPad air 5 for $370 and 12.9” m1 iPad Pro for $620. (Both are used and I have a macbook air as well.) My main usage will be note taking, reading news, papers, articles, watching youtube videos and mostly for the educational purposes.
Apple is always bragging how much attention to detail they put into their products and it took them 6 generations of iPad Pros to finally write on the back of them iPad Pro, not only iPad :))))))
It is part of their move towards a new Pro software UI and app setup. Before the Pro just highlighted the top of the range, going forward with M chips and new software, the Pros will divide further from the normal iPads.
@@andyH_England I'm talking about the engraving on the back of the iPad Pro. I'm not taking about the software. You are seriously derailing in your comment.
I need an iPad with an excellent camera. Has the camera been significantly improved from the 2017 iPad Pro? Has iMovie been improved with actual new features? Could someone a pro cinema version of the iPad? Some of us love using the large screen on the 12.9” Pro as our viewfinder. It’s great. But I need higher quality in the camera and sensor.
Probably you should only upgrade to that model if you’re an artist who is currently using a much older IPad that is nearing the end of it’s life like a 2017 IPad Pro for example.
Here in Australia, the 12.9” M2 ipad $2429 (no keybord, just ipad) is $230 more than the M2 macbook air $2199. The smart keyboard is another $579 🤯, So at $3008 for a 512gb M2 ipad and keyboatd you could go a base model 14” M1 pro $2999. And at that stage only pencil support and portability, weigh in on ya decision. Otherwise if those 2 things mean nothing to you, it’s a no brainer what to go for - anything else! M2 ipad pro is a tottal rip, and unless you want ports (boy am i glad they’re back) the M2 air actually is decent value in the premium laptop space.
What about the iPad Pro 12” as a media consumption device? I travel a lot and want a device capable of playing 4K hdr movies so this would fit my use case well.
So if u want to control adobe programs, edit 4k videos, insta360 and mavic drone videos... u can do it with iPAD pRO 2020 M1?? im asking because the new ipad pro M2 looks really awesome for the task, and 1TB space its perfect. But now i dont know what to choose, because the 2022 version its toooooo expensive.
Currently running the 2020 12Z Pro and it’s still a beast. For digital artists as well as NLE with apps that support the hover feature this is big. Personally I’ll be waiting for the 2023 model to see if they drop the M3 in it and give it any real performance boost if not I’ll end up getting the M2 because of the inevitable price drop when the 2023 model drops.
If you don’t need hover and can afford to wait, the next iPad Pro will likely have a new design language since it’s the Pros’ turn for a redesign. All those rumors we had but didn’t see will likely be in that version. And since Apple is on an 18-month update cycle for the Pros, we should expect the double stacked OLED screens (rumored for 2024) along with MagSafe, a relocated camera, a new smaller Pencil 3, and a new pin layout (probably a new keyboard). Being a spec bump, there’s no reason to upgrade unless you have a fairly old IPad.
oled screen not good for showing static image (drawing), cause burn in for long period session. i expect mini led on 11 inch model next year or 2 years.
@@joachimb5721 I don’t know. It’s not my rumor. I’m fine with them just moving the magnets and the charging area to a different part of the Pencil in order to allow them to charge it on top of the landscape camera, so the two can co-exist, but that is a rumor that’s been floating around for quite a while.
loving my M2 12.9 despite it getting alot of hate. we’ll see what happens when they update their software and features are left out of the M1 version as they’ve already started doing.
@@Exodious honeslty not sure lol i didn’t think that far ahead. They started with the apple pencil hover that could’ve easily been an M1 feature. apple is going to apple
The M2 is great. Don't know why anyone bad mouths it. Here in South America it was gonna be another 2 months before it came in, so I bought an M1. They hadn't adjusted the M1 local currency price for the devaluation vs. the dollar. So the price was like a 30% discount paying with my US credit card. But that being said, I don't understand why tech channels insist on comparing it to the iPad Pro from the previous year. Almost all people getting the M2 are coming from at least a 4 year old device or other smaller less powerful iPad.
You think they’re whining now about a landscape camera, just wait until they actually read the Divinci info. The M1 12.9 can render in HD but not Pro Res …
My iPad 12.9 iPad Pro (2018) w/ 256gig broke. The screen cracked several places. Because of the fact that my employers demand using an iPad for entering data on their company programs, as well as programs to control equipment in my home studio, I bought a 2022 M2iPad Pro 12.0 inch w/ 1 gig of memory. Hopefully, I will upgrade next year to the new one with a14” screen and horizontal orientation of the camera,
here to propper compare u need app with right seting to share on cores and calculate posibility in 3d and processor calculation but not on 2 core apps... then u will see difference.. :)
Decide to upgrade from my A-series process iPad Pro. I draw a lot on iPad. The hover cursor will be a game changer for me. I have the Studio Display, so it means I can enjoy the Stage Manager on the bigger screen. Plus the hover cursor will allow me to see the cursor on Studio Display, so I can basically use the iPad as Wacom tablet. These are dream features for some digital artists.
I have the ipad pro 10.5” c2017 and it has a wear mark on the glass just above the button. It also has this annoying pause in RUclips that resetting or reinstalling does not fix. I also have the mini 6 and the 12.9” (3). My options are to do nothing or just use the other ipads. The other considerations are “nice to have” such as the USB-C port and I love the flat sided asthetic. That youtube pause is pissing me off so I might just rush out and get one.
Thanks for the unbiased review! I actually think that it's never a good idea to buy the newest Apple devices. Buy refurbished/older versions, you get more for your money. I'm a digital artist, and while I think the hover feature is nice, it's not a game changer and very minor convenience upgrade. You don't need the fastes chip for art. I still use a 2017 ipad pro and it still works just fine.
One thing I would point out, if you are like me and keep your devices for a long time before upgrading (5-7 years), you might want the newest battery you can get and wifi 6e. There may be very few 6e signals available now. But, give it a few years and they may be common. Then, you may want to have the technology to use it. Also, the newer the battery, all the much better. If you buy a model that is a year or two old, you may find your battery having a much shorter cycle when it is older. Yet, you may not be ready to replace it. I suppose an alternative way to go is to get an older version, save a chunk of cash, and upgrade more often, but I haven’t committed myself to such a strategy yet. I’ll give it some thought before I upgrade next. I think the savings must be quite substantial for this to be sensible. My apologies if someone has already made these points. I don’t have the time to read all of the posts and replies.
I need this opinion. Still deciding to buy M2 Pro switching from android for the first time. Taking a long time to consider because of the price but if the quality might last me a long time then it should be a good option. Im not the type to replace my tech stufff often
I came across a problem which occur on 2 iPad 9th Generation: The volume in phone calls (FaceTime or VoIP app) has to be on 100% in order to hear something. When watching videos, if the sound is good if volume is less than 50%.
If be stupid if you have a m1 2021 version and want to upgrade to this - minor changes . I’ve never had a IPad , always wanted one . Won’t it be worth getting this one for my 1st I pad ? Mainly to watch shows / films in the top quality sound & picture .
if they made the front-facing camera to be in landscape like the iPad 10th generation, it would be a much easier choice. As of now, yeah, I would honestly just get the 2020 iPad Pro.
I would recommend the M1 iPad for the best performance without paying top of the line prices. Especially if you go for the 1TB version which gives you 16 GBs of Ram and makes it practically future proof
I live in the UK, and I recently bought an M1 Ipad pro 11 inch 2TB model for £995/$1,155, really amazing device for a somewhat acceptable price as it retailed for close to double that.
I’m thinking about this all day to switch my tablet 2021 or tablet 2018 but where can I get money now because I just bought two air pods 2 and iPhone 14 pro max and maybe I have to wait on next’s years on around April or may after Tax return. I think I addictions of Apple production.
As a high school student dual enrolled in college class with no MacBook or iPad I feel like this iPad with get better with updates. and the apple keyboard ITMROf the only keyboard. Logitech has great keyboards at a cheaper price and it does more.
The reason why iPads are better than macs and why it’s my main laptop is the touch screen and the fluidity. I have a Mac, and Mac OS is kinda clunky and old school. To me iPads are way more fun and I enjoy the simplicity of iPad OS. I also personally really like stage manager even if other people don’t. Also the 120hz screen, Apple Pencil support for apps like procreate, the speakers and mics are amazing, just fits me a lot more personally
My M2 iPad Pro is going to be here tomorrow and I’m so excited I have never had an iPad before and since i love my iPhone 13 Pro Max and my Apple Watch series 8 I figured an iPad wouldn’t hurt 😊
Couldn't agree more. I'm sticking with my 2018 iPad Pro for now, nothing worth upgrading for this year. Hopefully the next iPads will bring some changes that make it worth upgrading.
Don't you think there are better ways to check the processor speed rather than exporting video? I suppose the times are so close because the speed is capped by something else, not the processor speed. It's just not correct to compare devices this way. Try using processor heavy app like Procreate with many layers with difficult tasks and you'll see the difference.
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The 2020 iPad Pro was the smallest change ever. All it got was a LIDAR sensor nobody uses and a chip non-upgrade, enabling a single core on a previously binned processor. The M2 is a significantly better upgrade from the M1 than the A12Z was from the A12X.
@@techinrl9869 Exactly! But all of the review channels are portraying it as the worst upgrade to glorify M1 and this has been the trend for quite a while. When M1 came out, all reviewers were like this is an overkill. No one needs such extra processing power. Now that M2 is there, suddenly M1 is their sweet spot.
How does the new M2 Pro compare with the M2 Air
@@OBAges no such thing as M2 air yet. Even if there is, it won't get pro motion
I have prime
You guys are not speaking from the perspective of new users or users who haven’t purchased iPads in years.
All the news are so pessimistic. The last time I owned an iPad was 2014. So heck yeah I’m going to get this.
I just placed an order for the M2 11 inch 2022 model. It'll be my first Ipad. Im excited to use it for my illustrations and take it with me almost anywhere instead of my laptop.
@@Dragon_Brand I’m also considering purchasing it but wouldn’t the 12’9 inch be better the display on that is insane
I was going to say something similar. Most of these reviews talk in the perspective that the user upgrades yearly. Devices like these aren’t meant to be updated yearly. Many people are on different upgrade cycles or are getting one for the first time.
Even if you are a new user or someone that hasn't used one for years, why would you want to spend £899 on an iPad that is not significantly better than say a refurbished 2020 model for £469?
@@sidh4065 for sure mini led display and up to 1k nits brightsness, but if youre going to use the pencil alot for drawing consider 11 inch, the mini led display creates thickness between the pencil causing parallex-like effect. and i cna carry the 11 inch without getting tired with one hand while drawing on the other.
I upgraded my old iPad Pro 3rd Generation for the M2 iPad Pro version, and I noticed a big difference and I'm glad I decided to upgrade
Is it the 2018 one ? Can you tell me what's the difference, since i want to change mine too
@@onces488m2 ipad pro bruh not the 2018 he literally said m2
@@LonelyDeveloper_ i mean the 2018 ipad pro duh
I just got mine two days ago and I absolutely love it. Granted it is my first iPad Pro.
As a digital artist, the hover feature is a game changer. Will be upgrading just for that
that's true...this iPad is for non-digital artist.
@@franciscos.5839 this doesn't make any sense lol he literally just said that he will purchase based on that feature please read better lol 😂😂
@@SavageJay422 you didint got the sarcasm bro
@@que_dijo Sarcasm is based on nonsense, so he's still right.
If iPad Pencil Hover is the most interesting new feature, then we've officially arrived at End-Stage Appleism
No matter how you want to see it, the hover feature is a huge deal to those WHOSE WORKFLOW benefits from it. You see those key words I put in all caps back there? Just because your PERSONAL WORKFLOW does not benefit from a feature, it doesn't make it useless. Now with that being said, I don't think the new iPad is worth it, but it is an understatement to call your comment an exaggeration.
@@immalkah Hey, remember that part where I said the feature is useless? No? That’s because I didn’t say that. Thanks for getting unnecessarily triggered over something that wasn’t even said. I’ll enjoy our future conversations
Eve said, “well duh, thats what I’m trying to tell everyone” , corrupt over paid market team ruined the company just like they did with the Blackberry.
for digital artists- it's *HUGE*
@@lockedherselfout then they should probably be angry at Apple that the company only just now introduced the capability, while other companies have offered it for over a decade. It can't have been *that* "HUGE" or folks would have abandoned Apple. Competitors even did it on far less capable hardware, which means Apple could have done it all along. And now they only introduce it on their latest iteration to convince you to shell out another thousand bucks, even though it's a software solution. But nobody seems to care that they're being fleeced by Apple. Oh well.
It's no brainer that people with M1 don't need to upgrade to this M2 ipad. But it's a decent upgrade for anyone with ipads before M1.
It’s a major upgrade for me, if I get it. I have the iPad Air 2 since 2014. Lol
@Halo yes. Without a doubt. Go for it.
I have an 2020 iPad Pro. Might sell it for the m2, would get half the price for the 2020 so only 50% to pay. Worth the upgrade?
@@Mit_yourfriend yes. Without a doubt. Go for it.
Ok.
I look at it this way: If you don’t have but can use an iPad Pro, by all means get one! But, if you have a 2018 or later version already, it’s probably not worth the upgrade unless you really need that thunderbolt port or the extra speed.
Honestly, I had the iPad pro 2018 12.9" that I bought secondhand, and it served me for years as a student, and it was GREAT!
Three weeks ago, I 'upgraded' it to iPad pro 11" m1, because I'm no longer a student. I don't need a bigger iPad, but I still want an iPad for daily use. Honestly, I can't feel any difference in performance between the 2018 pro and the m1 pro.
What about the camera? I use my 2017 iPad Pro to make videos. The camera is abysmal in anything but bright sunlight. Changing color temperature. Poor auto exposure. Just something a cheap $10.00 camera would have. Has the camera been improved dramatically from the 2018?
@@soarornor Honestly, I can’t answer this question because I never used my old iPad camera.
I use my iPhone camera, which is much better than than the m1 11” cameras.
@@Guy9502 That would be the polar opposite of me as shooting and editing video on my iPad goes on daily. I fell into it because I love shooting with the large iPad screen and I can do really interesting camera moves which are not possible with a regular camera. I wish Apple would make a special cinema version of the iPad with a camera that is even better than the iPhone 14 pro. An extra enhanced version of iMovie as well and a stereo mic setup that is isolated from the body of the iPad. I don’t that’s much to ask! There’s a lot of people that would buy that.
Ok.
Noice
I don’t get why reviewers are saying M2 is not a big upgrade. If someone has an old iPad it’s a huge upgrade. Also Moore’s Law is a thing
It’s not at big upgrade from the M1 iPad
Yeah but from someone like me who upgraded from the iPad 6 this is a VERY BIG UPGRADE
So if you want to get an upgrade, it’s OK if you don’t wanna wait until next year for the BIG UPGRADE.
Tbh if you can comfortable work/entertain yourself with your current iPad then M2 isnt that big of a deal
I did from ipadair2019 to pro 2022
Thanks to your video I just bought an M1 IPad Pro, saving 500€! You’re doing a great job, Daniel
Great to hear! :D
What's also noteworthy: The stage manager only works on the M-Chips and they probably will be supplied with software updates longer than the 2020 or 2018 models (although the A12Z is a very strong chip)
If they’re strong chips, then why do Apps not load fully or properly, and why do they crash in Stage Manager? *referencing iOS 16 all the way up to iOS 17.1*
I HATE multitasking on iPad AND Macbook now! The 2011 Macbook Pro with SSD was even faster and more capable than these devices in 2023!
Totally agree. I needed to upgrade my iPad for a while now and was waiting on the new 10th gen, but seeing its spec and price thought I’d just get the 9th gen. Then I checked the refurbished models and ended up buying a 2020 iPad Pro 11” for £469.
why not wait for the m1 dropping to refurbished store?
I was going to do that but then I started checking the specs and many people were swapping a different chip for for the m1 before selling..
Wtf does the E stand for?
Ok.
I bought a iPad 10th yesterday
The big feature that made me upgrade from the 2020 model to the newer model is 5G for those of us using a cell data version. As internet is spotty in certain places I go for work, 5G really shines over LTE. If I had some way to have internet through a sim card, I'd carry my Macbook Pro regularly. iPad Pro with data is just more versatile for places where you don't have wifi.
5G is severely dangerous to health. I wouldn't freak that much over it when you get an early cancer
I don't really get why people want cellular on it when you can just tether your phone as a wired or even wifi hotspot. Why pay for cellular data and a second phone line for your tablet? unless you don't mind spending all that extra on a minor convenience of not having to press the hotspot button on your phone, I guess.
@@KjKase well in my original post I said where I’m at it’s spotty and I’d carry my MacBook Pro with me if I could. WiFi Hotspot doesn’t work well if you don’t have a strong signal. Direct signal is more accessible.
@@JeffMyers409 ah, I guess you can have bad signal even if your phone is right there in your pocket if there's lots of other wifi signals in the area you're in?
Got myself the refurbed 11" iPad Pro (2021) two weeks ago. Now I can comfortably wait for the next iteration with a "now it makes sense to upgrade" feature. Not even sure if I'd upgrade for "just a mini LED / OLED" display. There needs to be more than these tiny-features to warrant an iteration.
I’m using a 2018 iPad Pro and it still feels incredibly powerful. Don’t think I’ve ever managed to made it slow down yet
I went with the M1 iPad Pro 12.9” as a replacement for my 2016 iPad Pro 9.7”. Saved $350 vs. comparable M2. The 12.9” is a beast: practically a different product category. But that screen is gorgeous, and I plan on doing photo work on it.
Yoo I have the 9.7 pro too. Helped me so much through Highschool and also for my digital art. it is still going strong, only problem being it’s 32GB storage. I think about getting the 2021 pro with 256GB
@@kozzietea you are speaking big facts!!! Im still mad there is no suitable instagram app.. dont wanna sound like a heavy instagram user but… thats the most simple thing for a first step to fully utilize M chips i gues 😂
Watching this on my I pad pro m2 🥲
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where did you get one? do apple stores still sell older models?
I’m sticking with my M1 iPad Pro, Magic Keyboard and pencil. This si my daily driver, I use it for work and home. Not replacing this until Apple drops support for it
The M2 IPad Pro is awesome and the new media engine is going to be great for people who only use the iPad Pro as their main or only computing device. I’m upgrading fro the M1 IPad Pro. I would recommend people not buy the old iPad Pro lol. I make a very good living using the IPad Pro only and all the new upgrades are going to make the IPad Pro even better.
Agreed, these reviews are done by amateurs.
I didn’t have an iPad at all and just purchased the 12.9 M2 iPad Pro and I love it
Honestly i wouldve just went with the m1 but because of the hover on the m2, it is incredibly useful for me as an artist. Still using the ipad pro 10.5 inch so looking forward to upgrade!
I recently bought an iPad Pro 2018 and it's perfectly fine for me. I don't need the better camera system on the newer iPads neither the slightly better performance. Only the 120hz display is important to me
M1 is still a beast and I don’t regret my decision of upgrading from the 9th gen to the pro M1
Bro i would rather get this than a m1 chip a s the upgrades will stop on the ipad pro 2021 11 inch ones so there is no point in getting and what is wrong with this ?
i don't have an iPad and I want to buy it do you suggest 12.9" M2 iPad Pro or 10.9" M1 iPad Air??
I decided to upgrade from my M1 iPad Air to the M2 Ipad Pro just for the performance bump and mini LED display (and HDR capabilities). However, if I had the M1 iPad Pro to begin with instead of the iPad Air, I would not have.
What do you think of the pro compared to the air? Also how much ram did you get? I’m leaning towards the M2 IPad Pro
So you went with the 12.9?
High school statistics course tells you that you should test it multiple times in order to make ANY conclusion.
I upgraded from an old iPad Air. I love it! ❤ Use it for procreate everyday.
Hover is a software gimmick being kept from older ipads
It’s only a bad a upgrade if u have the M1 version. But for some 1 like me who had the original 1st ever iPad Pro, it’s time to upgrade.
Bought the 12.9 inch 256 GB M2 iPad Pro on 5/18/24 brand new in BJ’s for $890 last one left love it. I bought the iPad Pro 11 with the OLED display didn’t see much of a difference sent it back and got a refund of $1100.👈👀
I've been holding off on buying the Pro waiting for this update and hoping they'd at least bring miniLED to the 11" model but we know what happened there lol. It's such a lazy update they didn't even bother moving the camera to the landscape location which they only brought to the regular iPad.
Really happy with my newly purchased M1, which is quite an upgrade from my almost 2-year old Air 4. ProMotion is amazing and the RAM difference is so obvious, my apps no longer close as often in the background now.
My air 4 is almost 2 years old too what finally made you want to buy a pro over keeping the air just curious, because ive been on the fence
@@gggimnast2016 120 hrtz. Aka a lot smoother.
Moving the camera to the landscape location without sacrificing something else isn't really possible, at least for the moment.
The Ipad 10 has that and look at the drawbacks. You can't charge the apple pencil on the side because it's already occupied by the camera. Even worse, if it only supports the first gen apple pencil, you'd have to use a usb-c to lightning adapter to charge the apple pencil.
Why is no one talking about the fact that you can shoot ProRes video
Ok.
Silly to include an advertisement about a vacuum cleaner in the video....
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I NOTICED THAT YOU compared the iPad models based on CPU, but how are they doing based on GPU?
I’ve done a tiny research on the gpu differences between pro models and it seems they got an upgrade in each year. The 2018 has 7-core graphics and 2020 has 8 and the 2022 got 10core graphics.
So how are they doing? is there a big difference in the the real life test?
Hope you make a video explaining and testing that.
Got this iPad in 1TB at late 2023. Had a great discount but because I am coming from 2017 IPad Pro.
It’s miles ahead of speed and export my images is way faster.
Having the TB4 port really helped in transferring files.
But hearing the diff from 2021. It’s understandable why this model should be skipped.
My girlfriend’s daughter broke her iPad 8th gen so I gave her my air 5 and brought this one for me. But the larger screen and features are definitely better for me as a professional photographer.
People like me really look forward to gaming with friends on iPhone and iPad. M2 iPad Pro is great for gaming. There are a select few games in iOS that run retina graphics and 120fps or 90fps. pubg and 2k mobile is some of them. You can't do that on a Mac. Macs don't have those apps. It's lame for gaming. And most people are not buying Macs to record serious music or making high quality photos or videos. Most of us are working other jobs that don't need that sort of stuff.
Except it’s not, it’s only faster in theory, it’ll throttle just like my m1 if you play anything intensive. Sure it’s still faster than an iPhone but if all you’re upgrading for is games then that’s inadvisable, you won’t get much better performance in intensive games at all over a 2018 iPad lol.
I know this for a fact as someone who’s owned multiple iPads over the years for art and push it relatively hard, they throttle
I’m thinking of getting it to play warzone mobile
@@wandrinsheep I had an A12X bionic iPad Pro 12.9. 2 K Mobile was running retina at 60fps. It was cooking my tablet and ran 30fps after a few games in. My M1 is running that game warm to the touch now. I don’t think processing art images is cooking a device like that. Games are the ultimate test for any device
Yes. Spend 1200 bucks for 2 games. Great choice.
You'd drop that much money for a "premium mobile gaming experience"? Well... I guess if you've got the coin...
Hover is not a software feature. Dave2D covered this: while older iPads may support some form of Hover, its distance is only 1-2mm, and it's not terribly precise so it's useless for digital artists. They improved the Digitizer Layer in the screen to allow for 12mm hover and tilt sensing. It's hardware.
I can't believe some dude on Twitter or Reddit throws out the "but Hover already was on previous iPads" and people parroting it without checking that the older hover feature was basically useless for productive work.
Is the braided USB-C cable a Thunderbolt capable of 40 GBps transfer speeds?
The reason I will buy an M2, I wanted one for a long time and its my first apple device, and already have a high end laptop
Some things forgotten, as the 10 core GPU compared to 7 cores. No touch display on a macbook, the portability of a tablet compared to a laptop. I am missing 4G/5G on all macbooks ever since. Big failure by Apple, not to integrate. But you are right: The prices are insanely high. And: macOS is a weird old school system, with many bugs.
I changed from an ipad pro A11X to a A12X, then to a M1 and downgrade to an A12Z, but will get my ipad pro M2 tomorrow! Using Mac studio for heavy video rendering, encoding and machine learning.
Hi there. Could you help me to figure out which iPad should I go with? I can buy an iPad air 5 for $370 and 12.9” m1 iPad Pro for $620. (Both are used and I have a macbook air as well.)
My main usage will be note taking, reading news, papers, articles, watching youtube videos and mostly for the educational purposes.
But is it good for someone who has not had an ipad before? Thinking of buying this for my first ever ipad.
Apple is always bragging how much attention to detail they put into their products and it took them 6 generations of iPad Pros to finally write on the back of them iPad Pro, not only iPad :))))))
It is part of their move towards a new Pro software UI and app setup. Before the Pro just highlighted the top of the range, going forward with M chips and new software, the Pros will divide further from the normal iPads.
@@andyH_England I'm talking about the engraving on the back of the iPad Pro. I'm not taking about the software. You are seriously derailing in your comment.
The faster processor is less important than a hovering pin ?
Love my M2 so far, a lot to learn plus it comes with 16 already on it😊
16?
@@mrpleezy5275 IPAD OS 16
I need an iPad with an excellent camera. Has the camera been significantly improved from the 2017 iPad Pro? Has iMovie been improved with actual new features? Could someone a pro cinema version of the iPad? Some of us love using the large screen on the 12.9” Pro as our viewfinder. It’s great. But I need higher quality in the camera and sensor.
Probably you should only upgrade to that model if you’re an artist who is currently using a much older IPad that is nearing the end of it’s life like a 2017 IPad Pro for example.
me watching this video on my M2 ipad pro, coming from someone that didn’t have an ipad i am very happy with my purchase
Here in Australia, the 12.9” M2 ipad $2429 (no keybord, just ipad) is $230 more than the M2 macbook air $2199. The smart keyboard is another $579 🤯, So at $3008 for a 512gb M2 ipad and keyboatd you could go a base model 14” M1 pro $2999. And at that stage only pencil support and portability, weigh in on ya decision. Otherwise if those 2 things mean nothing to you, it’s a no brainer what to go for - anything else!
M2 ipad pro is a tottal rip, and unless you want ports (boy am i glad they’re back) the M2 air actually is decent value in the premium laptop space.
What about the iPad Pro 12” as a media consumption device? I travel a lot and want a device capable of playing 4K hdr movies so this would fit my use case well.
I never have an Ipad.. does it worth it if I bought the latest one ?
So if u want to control adobe programs, edit 4k videos, insta360 and mavic drone videos... u can do it with iPAD pRO 2020 M1?? im asking because the new ipad pro M2 looks really awesome for the task, and 1TB space its perfect.
But now i dont know what to choose, because the 2022 version its toooooo expensive.
what is the total disk usage of default operation system with default application? Which disk space I should buy 128 or 256?
Currently running the 2020 12Z Pro and it’s still a beast. For digital artists as well as NLE with apps that support the hover feature this is big. Personally I’ll be waiting for the 2023 model to see if they drop the M3 in it and give it any real performance boost if not I’ll end up getting the M2 because of the inevitable price drop when the 2023 model drops.
If you don’t need hover and can afford to wait, the next iPad Pro will likely have a new design language since it’s the Pros’ turn for a redesign. All those rumors we had but didn’t see will likely be in that version. And since Apple is on an 18-month update cycle for the Pros, we should expect the double stacked OLED screens (rumored for 2024) along with MagSafe, a relocated camera, a new smaller Pencil 3, and a new pin layout (probably a new keyboard). Being a spec bump, there’s no reason to upgrade unless you have a fairly old IPad.
oled screen not good for showing static image (drawing), cause burn in for long period session. i expect mini led on 11 inch model next year or 2 years.
A smaller pencil? No! Why? Who would want that?
@@joachimb5721 I don’t know. It’s not my rumor. I’m fine with them just moving the magnets and the charging area to a different part of the Pencil in order to allow them to charge it on top of the landscape camera, so the two can co-exist, but that is a rumor that’s been floating around for quite a while.
Ok.
Noice
I have a iPad Air 4th gen 10.9” - A series chip, and the 12.9” is really appealing to the artist in me. Not sure whether it’s worth it 🙄 HELP!!!
loving my M2 12.9 despite it getting alot of hate. we’ll see what happens when they update their software and features are left out of the M1 version as they’ve already started doing.
What features do you think the m2 would be capable of that the m1 isn’t? Just curious
@@Exodious honeslty not sure lol i didn’t think that far ahead. They started with the apple pencil hover that could’ve easily been an M1 feature. apple is going to apple
The M2 is great. Don't know why anyone bad mouths it. Here in South America it was gonna be another 2 months before it came in, so I bought an M1. They hadn't adjusted the M1 local currency price for the devaluation vs. the dollar. So the price was like a 30% discount paying with my US credit card.
But that being said, I don't understand why tech channels insist on comparing it to the iPad Pro from the previous year. Almost all people getting the M2 are coming from at least a 4 year old device or other smaller less powerful iPad.
You think they’re whining now about a landscape camera, just wait until they actually read the Divinci info. The M1 12.9 can render in HD but not Pro Res …
@@Marl0nP It’s actually in the hardware despite what some “reviewers” are saying.
Ipad pro 11 inch vs 12.9 inch, which is better?
My iPad 12.9 iPad Pro (2018) w/ 256gig broke. The screen cracked several places. Because of the fact that my employers demand using an iPad for entering data on their company programs, as well as programs to control equipment in my home studio, I bought a 2022 M2iPad Pro 12.0 inch w/ 1 gig of memory. Hopefully, I will upgrade next year to the new one with a14” screen and horizontal orientation of the camera,
Where do you suggest for the best place to find a refurbished older model?
eBay.
here to propper compare u need app with right seting to share on cores and calculate posibility in 3d and processor calculation but not on 2 core apps... then u will see difference.. :)
I am planning to buy iPad pro M2 12.9 inches. Please suggest me which I pad should I buy?
Would you say the base MacBook air is good enough for smooth 5k editing using Final Cut Pro ( footage will be from a mavic 3 pro shot in 5.2k
I wish you could do a gaming fps comparison, I use my ipad mainly for gaming
I have the 2016 ipad pro 9.7 inch is it worth upgrading to this model as the 2016 model won't get future ios updates I heard
Decide to upgrade from my A-series process iPad Pro. I draw a lot on iPad. The hover cursor will be a game changer for me. I have the Studio Display, so it means I can enjoy the Stage Manager on the bigger screen. Plus the hover cursor will allow me to see the cursor on Studio Display, so I can basically use the iPad as Wacom tablet. These are dream features for some digital artists.
I would avoid the M2 if I could find a M1 new one at a decent price reduction.
Exactly. M1 is out of stock.
I’m still confused, is iPad Pro max 5th generation a 2022? Or 2018?
Please could you do an updated video comparing transfer speeds between iPad Pro and iPad Mini?? For mobile video editing, say 200GB files.
I have the ipad pro 10.5” c2017 and it has a wear mark on the glass just above the button. It also has this annoying pause in RUclips that resetting or reinstalling does not fix. I also have the mini 6 and the 12.9” (3). My options are to do nothing or just use the other ipads. The other considerations are “nice to have” such as the USB-C port and I love the flat sided asthetic. That youtube pause is pissing me off so I might just rush out and get one.
Can u disable the Apple Pencil hover ?
Arent those video exports mostly bottlenecked by flash speed and not by the CPU?….
Can't seem to find refurbished or even the m1 ipad pro at stores in my region right now
Should I go for this as I've never used IOS before?
Thanks for the unbiased review! I actually think that it's never a good idea to buy the newest Apple devices. Buy refurbished/older versions, you get more for your money. I'm a digital artist, and while I think the hover feature is nice, it's not a game changer and very minor convenience upgrade. You don't need the fastes chip for art. I still use a 2017 ipad pro and it still works just fine.
One thing I would point out, if you are like me and keep your devices for a long time before upgrading (5-7 years), you might want the newest battery you can get and wifi 6e. There may be very few 6e signals available now. But, give it a few years and they may be common. Then, you may want to have the technology to use it. Also, the newer the battery, all the much better. If you buy a model that is a year or two old, you may find your battery having a much shorter cycle when it is older. Yet, you may not be ready to replace it.
I suppose an alternative way to go is to get an older version, save a chunk of cash, and upgrade more often, but I haven’t committed myself to such a strategy yet. I’ll give it some thought before I upgrade next. I think the savings must be quite substantial for this to be sensible.
My apologies if someone has already made these points. I don’t have the time to read all of the posts and replies.
I need this opinion. Still deciding to buy M2 Pro switching from android for the first time. Taking a long time to consider because of the price but if the quality might last me a long time then it should be a good option. Im not the type to replace my tech stufff often
I was going to buy the new iPad Pro as an upgrade to my 2018 model, but I’ll wait until next year, I think.
i still have my ipad mini from yeeeears ago, maybe it would be a good upgrade ??
I got mine today and I love it 😍
I came across a problem which occur on 2 iPad 9th Generation:
The volume in phone calls (FaceTime or VoIP app) has to be on 100% in order to hear something.
When watching videos, if the sound is good if volume is less than 50%.
does the iPad Pro m2 have 120HZ just like the iPad Pro m1?
If be stupid if you have a m1 2021 version and want to upgrade to this - minor changes .
I’ve never had a IPad , always wanted one .
Won’t it be worth getting this one for my 1st I pad ? Mainly to watch shows / films in the top quality sound & picture .
If you are a multi-millionaire I would not say you are stupid just rich.
I can’t find a 2020 iPad ( new ) only open boxes 😢
i am thinking of upgrading from 2018 pro 11 inch. wanted to get a 12.9 inch. is it better to get an older model? (is 2021 the latest?)
if they made the front-facing camera to be in landscape like the iPad 10th generation, it would be a much easier choice. As of now, yeah, I would honestly just get the 2020 iPad Pro.
I would recommend the M1 iPad for the best performance without paying top of the line prices. Especially if you go for the 1TB version which gives you 16 GBs of Ram and makes it practically future proof
I live in the UK, and I recently bought an M1 Ipad pro 11 inch 2TB model for £995/$1,155, really amazing device for a somewhat acceptable price as it retailed for close to double that.
That new desigtn is coming with the 3nm upgrade, and that has been well signposted for the last year. So if that is important you need to wait.
Ok.
Noice
My m1 12.9 iPad Pro is about 14 months old and I’m definitely planning to keep it a couple more years.
I’m waiting for oled screen iPad and MacBook Pro
@@matrixtheory3088 yea! Good idea.
Which Apple pen do I need for this iPad?
which generation is the apple pencil?
It's so shocking finding a big youtuber nor recommending the latest iPad. Thanks, mate.
I’m thinking about this all day to switch my tablet 2021 or tablet 2018 but where can I get money now because I just bought two air pods 2 and iPhone 14 pro max and maybe I have to wait on next’s years on around April or may after Tax return. I think I addictions of Apple production.
As a high school student dual enrolled in college class with no MacBook or iPad I feel like this iPad with get better with updates. and the apple keyboard ITMROf the only keyboard. Logitech has great keyboards at a cheaper price and it does more.
The reason why iPads are better than macs and why it’s my main laptop is the touch screen and the fluidity. I have a Mac, and Mac OS is kinda clunky and old school. To me iPads are way more fun and I enjoy the simplicity of iPad OS. I also personally really like stage manager even if other people don’t. Also the 120hz screen, Apple Pencil support for apps like procreate, the speakers and mics are amazing, just fits me a lot more personally
I don’t really like stage manager at all on iPad but I quite like it on Mac for grouping apps yet it still lets you move windows freely.
The 19.2 m2 pro was cheaper than the m1 for me by $200 through my cell carrier :/
My M2 iPad Pro is going to be here tomorrow and I’m so excited I have never had an iPad before and since i love my iPhone 13 Pro Max and my Apple Watch series 8 I figured an iPad wouldn’t hurt 😊
I cant find iPad Pro 2021 anywhere
I still have the first iPad Pro 12.9 inch that came out years ago. Looking for an upgrade so will probably be getting the m2
if you want features pick m1 it may be cheaper
Couldn't agree more. I'm sticking with my 2018 iPad Pro for now, nothing worth upgrading for this year. Hopefully the next iPads will bring some changes that make it worth upgrading.
Don't you think there are better ways to check the processor speed rather than exporting video? I suppose the times are so close because the speed is capped by something else, not the processor speed. It's just not correct to compare devices this way. Try using processor heavy app like Procreate with many layers with difficult tasks and you'll see the difference.
It was a lazy update because next year will have new design and accessories .
Just hold off