International laws and ethnocentricism are a crazy combo man (I did collegiate studies on the ethnocentricism part and still love Japan chill people making those comments)
@@SesshyLover777 French police drop the case because they determined that Sagawa was legally insane. Japanese police didn`t buy that and try to prosecute him but the French didn't gave them all the documents so they couldn`t do anything.
It’s sad how you can nearly guarantee that no matter how many atrocities someone commits they could go somewhere where they aren’t recognized. No connection to the past and no knowledge of the danger. There is much less legal intervention than needed or would be assumed. Hope everyone stays as safe as they can out there
@@MikuPinky Yeah... But even looking at pictures people still would trust the killers over the normal people. Not everyone is so observant that you can see the lack of emotions in their eyes. You only get the red flags depending on your interactions. And how they react to it
@@usonohoshi6165 I know, how many people thought Ted Bundy was the good guy (helping suicidal people and all) while he looked like a psycho. Solely his gaze makes me shiver. I guess things like "oh you can't judge a book by its cover" (which is a good advice) kinda tossed out our 6th sense. I mean, we're animals in the end. For this part, I'm divided; some are best at hiding their APD so I agree, you need a little bit of conversation or observation to spot them; whereas, in the case of Nicolas Claux, just look at the photos and try pretend you don't see anything. The one where he's long hair and wearing a camel jacket is hella scary. Left eye is hollow; right eye is pure evil. Takes only one look to get the chills. Same vibe with the japanese one in the video. Seing this I would never want to talk to them, even without knowing what they did. Because their eyes speak for themselves. I don't know where you are from, but in french we have this quote "Les yeux sont les fenêtres de l'âme" ("The eyes are the windows of the soul") and I think it's beautiful because it's true, you can see a lot of things through them, lots of emotions. And since APD people lack of empathy and tend to be sadists and manipulators, these things are also visible. Coldness and sadism...
Ok so I searched up Nico and read quite some horrendous stuff, this man is just as crazy as isegawa himself. He also killed a person in Paris and ate them. He has an extensive history of digging up corpses and eating them raw. This whole interview he acted just like a normal person. It’s crazy that killers just look and act like normal people and we can’t tell at all yikes…😰
Yep it's all on purpose which makes it more eerie. That's why most recorded behaviour patterns of ppl that do this shit is them trying to mostly act like a role of a normal person to convince the other person to let their guard down
I can't believe the entire video is Aki talking to a cannibal, about another cannibal, without realizing she was talking to a cannibal. I have so many questions
@@Mankey619 I think if I remember well that in this case it wasn’t just Japan justice fault but mostly French justice… Pretty sure based on the fact that a serial killer got only a few years of prison in my hometown in France because his psychological analysis said he was a psychopath and had history of childhood SA and even k1lled his r3pist…
Nico apparently he served 12 years in prison and has 6 counts of grave robberies. He also goes by "The Vampire of Paris" i find it very creepy that he's so fascinated by cannibals and felons when clearly he is one too, that shows how more messed up his fascination is because it's not just because of curiosity, its also cause hes exactly like these people.
I think the fact that Nico has stated some of his fascination with cannibalism started because of all the news he saw in France as a kid about Sagawa is the most disturbing part of all of this.
And here Aki is, spreading more information like that to more people, saying how "fascinating" it is... Plus interviewing a killer and a cannibal, I wouldn't want to form any connection with such people, for my own sake
@katelynbrown98 One thing is doing it to raise awareness of their deplorable actions condemning it and passing condolences to the families, another thing is doing it for the entertainment of the "fascinated" masses. Also you need to take into account the fact that many killers do it for attention, and to leave a mark, so keeping this form of entertainment reinforces it. You may argue that even without this "entertainment" the killer would be killing, but you can't deny that it may give them the necessary push
This guy was such a creep, even to mock the dead by making a manga and books about his experience in killing and eating her. What goes through that type of mind?
Good Lord I just wiki-ed Nico and all I can say is thank GOD that Aki didn't have a face-to-face with Nico. I don't know if he's changed or not but what he did in the past, that man should NOT be walking free.
Although he has stopped commiting his crimes, i don't know if he has changed mentally. Sure, now he can hold back, but what if he still has those thoughts? Chilling
Please revisit Nicolas Claux. He himself is not only a cannibal but a killer, and the fact he sells 'authentic' serial killer possessions I think warrants a video on
@@worknotinprogress7172 same it's a bit creepy that he was a cannibal and a serial killer and have notes and stuff from serial killers, I just hope he changed as a person cause If he didn't aki is given this man attention he doesn't deserve
No. Makes sense. Dude is not just a killer, but also a cannibal. If he had ANY kind of Empathy for anyone, he wouldn't have done what he did, while also using others like him for exploitation and earn money from them, even now.
The main point of abnormal homicidal humans is that, their minds work very differently than most people. This also means that their minds work very different from other abnormal homicidal humans. Just because one coldblooded killer relishes in their actions, does not mean another will the same way. You could have two serial killers working together to kill somebody in the exact same unusual way they've been doing for years, and there's a chance, probably a decent chance even, that they do not empathize with each other. This is because of their own personal preference. They can be meticulous over even the smallest detail, and if that other person neglects that detail, then this causes incomprehension. Think of it like this. Two friends enjoy eating burgers, in fact, its their favorite food. However, one of them hate having mayo on theirs, while the other loves it like that. The one who doesn't like it decides to not eat it just because of mayo being on there. They can't empathize with why their friend can tolerate having mayo on their burger, even though they enjoy the same food. This picky behavior makes even more sense when you realize that these two friends are little immature kids. An abnormal homicidal person has an immature/childish mind that has been influenced by dangerous tendencies. When you think about it this way; the pickiness, the immaturity, the childishness, all of that having been corrupted, it makes complete sense why an abnormal homicidal human doesn't have empathy for another of their kind - they're so similar to us, but completely different to them.
That sudden cut, to explain who Nico was before the interview, got me spook ngl, cause the sudden stop was eerie as hell, Amazing video though nonetheless.
Yeah I never heard about him until now it's scary to think he has public art selling events where he is around people 24/7 as well if he just wanted to do horrible things
That's not surprising, every person that doesn't have a "normal" neurological development or out of the norms interests tries to behave like a civilised human being, that's what people with medical conditions, neurodivergences or criminal tendencies always do in order to fit in
@@nunyabiznuss3040 I think she meant she went deep on the actual cannibal and not the person because she said as she found the book that had the full translation she then realized oh hey, there’s a publisher attached to this and then looked him up but yeah she definitely should’ve searched his name a little bit more because if you look up his publishing and then he links to some thing that has like serial killer memorabilia, then more than likely you should probably look him up too
i do worry that she might be in over her head, i mean it no disparaging way when i say something like this is perhaps too much for an amateur production to take on
if u search his name up nicholaus claux or just ''nico cannibal'' u can find everything abt him, and how he was dubbed ''the vampire of paris''@@onyx1550
@@LyraPyxisVT yeah fr that would be bad but I think he changed! I mean if Aki didn’t mention that he was a cannibal I wouldn’t even realize it idk he was behaving normally
@@rinchuu_ same I wouldn't have noticed to, but the video made me unsettled knowing he is a cannibal and was once a criminal and he keeps stuff from criminals
The way he speaks on having no empathy for serial killers while being one himself… Chilling. I’d also like to add that when he offered to send Aki a copy of that book I felt my stomach sink. Looked up some information on him and I just have to say… The way I would cut all contact immediately 💀
Psychopaths understand other psychopaths. They don't have empathy or sympathy for one another, but they may be impressed with each other's work or have admiration while still being repulsed by one another
I'm pretty sure that's why he is so at ease about it because there are others like him. He sees that they don't have empathy, so he knows his wrong doings are not that bad to him.
I think the statistics may just be a lie. As if nobody can bother to report the crime for any social reason in that country, how would that statistic actually be true?
My husband just peeked over my shoulder to watch the video with me, I just finished telling him the story. He is a tough guy but even he was shook. Aki... I have been a fan of yours for a few years. I know that your mental health took a hit after finding out that his man is also a killer and a cannibal. Please take care. Much love from montreal!
Justice was not served. Sagawa was essentially living his best life. I'd be disgusted if I was Renee's family seeing him live so carefree, and profit after taking her life.
It's always so unsettling to see murderers look and act completely normal. Like, I dont blame Aki for not knowing. I wouldn't have known just from this conversation. I can't imagine the mental impact of finding out afterward.
Maybe a 🚩 red flag 🚩 Nico said he wanted to encourage Sagawa’s craziness because he “found it funny.” Right after Sahara told Nico he wanted to be EATEN by him and his gf. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t want to encourage a cannibal killer who is roaming free!?!
I hate the fact that Japanese entertainment industry monetary supported Sagawa by putting him in a TV program. I was so shocked to find him in a show with Bakusho-mondai, a well known comedian duo (Now I want to cancel them). A monster like Sagawa should have been socially/ mentally more punished. He definitely should have been isolated from society, instead of getting attention from the media, which I think is totally insane.
That's not a bakushou-mondai TV show. bakushou-mondai is just a performer in a video work produced by Terry Ito. At that time, bakushou-mondai was just a young comedian, so I don't think they were in a position to be selective about their work. by the way, in his later years, Sagawa was no longer featured in the media in Japan and was in considerable financial poverty. I think it was Western media, not Japan, that made Sagawa earn money in his later years.
The fact that Nico has everything. Literally everything, from famous killers and cannibals.. turned my stomach upside down.. but when I looked onto his case.. It made it even worse.. Its ironic the way he basically laughs and makes it seem he is just "interested" and the persona he put was a great act.. But who am I to judge maybe he did change.. but I wouldn't be so sure.. Anyways great video.. Tho I'm now concerned about your safety.. I hope he doesn't bother you or wants to meet up.. Stay safe.. And keep up the good work..
When the cannibalistic killer gets more attention and freedom than the innocent woman he murdered, is absolutely gut-wrenching. The only thing about the case that brought me some joy is Issei died of pneumonia, won’t miss him.
It's unfair. I wish that Renee's story was told instead of Issei. She should've gotten all of the attention, her life, her aspirations, documentaries made about her, not him! Issei Sagawa should not have gotten the attention he had - much less him being heralded. Smh
Wow absolutely terrifying😮 I think cannibalism is where I draw the line of creepiness. It's actually scary to know Aki talked to a cannibal without knowing because I'm sure she wouldn't have interviewed him.
And it's the fact when she asked abt if he feels empathy in him he then describes a cannibals perspective, wich he was probably describing from his perspective too.
I would be suspicious about anyone who collects serial killers’ belongings. Major red flags that something is not right. Nico is a cannibal, and it’s not at all a surprise. Anyone as invested in collecting + selling serial killer memorabilia as Nico is cannot be a sane, typical person. That is not just being “a huge fan of True Crime” or whatever.
I’m so conflicted with this video. On one hand knowing nico is an actual convicted cannibal, I don’t like the promotion and given platform of him. Despite that, he seems so well informed into the topic of cannibalism and serial killers it’s hard to look away or not pay attention to him and he made this video very informative. Like some of the personal letters and arts he received is only available because of interviews like these. It’s like a double edged sword.
I thought it was distasteful. He is clearly not ashamed of being a cannibal. He glamorizes this lifestyle. I read an interview with him and he is basically on the brink of doing it again, that is, if he's not doing it already. Absolutely no regret and continues to fantasize about on a daily basis. He is a deeply mentally ill man and both people like him and Sagawa should be locked in mental asylums until they die because they are a threat to anyone around them.
well tbf she did give a disclaimer that she didn't know about what he did before the interview was conducted so i think that should indicate that Aki would probably never give someone like this a platform to speak from if she was already aware, plus there's the fact that the guy was acting like a completely normal person the entire time almost which proves even the most monsterous individuals can hide the darkness of their pasts like it's nothing
@@CeliMewbut she did post the video, even tho she knew already about this past. I don’t know what to think either, but it is interesting, although I already knew that people like them can seem extremely normal sometimes
@@CeliMew Or people can change after years in prison? It is entirely possible that he went from an obsessive killing cannibal, to somebody that just obsesses over collecting stuff from criminals etc. Unless/until he does something else, I'm not gonna treat him like some sort of demon. Even if what he did in the past was absolutely demonic.
This was very very disturbing vibes. I hope you can focus more on victims. They are the ones who really deserve the spotlight and include helplines. Mental health is real everyone should do therapy and journal cause clearly it was something he was very fixated on including tried to get them to eat him and meet... and there seemed to be a cannibal underground inner circle to other cannibals is Shocking…But excited to see what you do in the future!
yes but she didnt realize this guy was a cannibal until after. also, many victims don't like talking abt this stuff because its very traumatizing for them.
@@appIebugOr they are just straight up dead.. but yeah, I think focusing more on the victims is what I look for in true crime stuff. Their story deserves to be told more than the person that hurt them.
@@appIebug She also could have just not posted the video. Having researched Nico more, he is just as despicable, if not more so, than the Japanese cannibal. This dude clearly loves the attention from the crimes he has committed. He gives RUclipsrs house tours of his "serial killer" house. He publishing cookbooks about cannibalism. He is constantly giving interviews about his crimes and bragging about them. Nico is not only proud of the crimes he committed, but he also wants to be famous for them. Giving him a platform is exactly what he wants. Honestly, I think this video should be privated. Nico should not be given a platform in any way. Of course, it may not be safe for Aki to do so because I don't trust Nico to not retaliate if he felt angry.
This is absolutely crazy, especially with the fact that Issei Sagawa was able to live a life of freedom after murdering and eating Reneé. It's mind-boggling...I have a lot of questions. The fact that Aki didn't know that Nico is a cannibal until AFTER the interview...it gives me chills.
It was an.... interesting video to say the least, Aki. I commend the grind n the commitment but i do wish there was more discussion from the victim n her family's perspective. I just can't help but feel like her existence being diminished n reduced to some kind of prop to a deranged lunatic is so unnerving n despicable. It's tragic to think that's all she's known for n never even received justice for it.
To be honest, I'd feel highly uncomfortable contacting a victim's family for an interview. I know it's a normal thing to do when doing a documentary or comprehensive analysis, but I don't have the stomach for it. Aki might feel the same way. If you searched, I'm sure you'll find people who talk about the victims in as much detail as they can. I think Coffeehouse Crime did a segment on these killings.
As another stated, their is not much information on her. It’s one of the sad things in true crime especially with historical cases it is hard to get that information. Some of it could be due to the overshadowing of the crime, it could be nothing much of note of corse, but also not everyone would go on recounting the life for their family or friends I great detail. It could be not wanting to drudge up regrets in relationship or just wanting to grieve in a way not thrown into the public eye. Of corse it’s important, but sometimes that’s how it goes.
oh my god Aki are you okay?? im so glad Joey is in close proximity to you and you seem to have a good support system. the video is amazing but im just concerned how you felt afterwards ;;
The fact that aki talked to a cannibal without knowing, but let us know beforehand, made this person instantly scary. thinking about the fact that he basically did similar things that were talked about and shown to aki and us...and that he liked to do those things and most likely wanted to collect those things because he probably gets off on those...and that he was most likely "inspired" to do the things that he ended up doing because of sagawa...thinking about the fact that the mouth we saw talking on camera ate another human being- I actually became sick to my stomach and almost threw up at the end of that video. That person is so damn scary. Humans are scary because they can appear normal and simply have interests like these because we are simply curious af and even want to know about morbid things. I've looked up "how long does a corpse stay in rigor mortis" but because i was genuinely curious and need that info for a manga ive always wanted to make (where the characters die but eventually they reawaken as if they had never died....kinda similar to the manga Ajin (because i have been inspired by it) but with actual real life science and facts stretched to their limits but in the end still being science fiction.) But then hearing about what that one human has done is honestly the scariest shit ever. It's reminding me of that one time where the dog of my sister's friend was so cute and nice to me. And then he chased a cat and killed it on the spot the next day. That dog bit that cat's head off. Literally. Because a friend, of my sister's friend, didn't believe that the dog had to be kept on the leash at all times when walking outside, because he will kill other animals no matter the size otherwise. I was terrified of that dog from that point on. I was just a 12 year old. He couldve done the same to me in a blink of an eye. (but in that case the dog simply had a hunting instinct. Different to the actions of a human that kills other humans.) Imagine talking to someone briefly on one day, and then the next day you see him on the news because he killed a person and ate their face or something. And then thinking about....that victim couldve easily been me....or someone i know or am related to. Or worse you then get to know that a missing family member has been killed by that person you talked to yesterday. And the fact that exactly that has happened and still happens over and over again is so sick. Humans are fascinating but god damn some of them are so damn sick. And need help.
He didn't find it "funny" that he offered for him and his gf to eat him. If he had the opportunity where he could do it without consequences he would have. He is and was fascinated by him bc they are one in the same no matter how he lies to act like he's special and a "different" kind of cannibal and m*rderer. His intent is transparent (to me) in how he fails to try and distance himself and talk sh*t about him like the "but I'm not like that." Its no surprise that he has done the same thing and enjoys being in touch with others like him, feel a connection and normalize his own sadistic behavior in his mind. I see that he is delighted by all of this. He's creep who should be behind bars.
In his interview with Jake, he said that he was considering it but turned it down because his gf was against the idea of it. This was right after he showed the guys a letter (i think) from a guy who had found someone online who had wanted to die this way. They met up & the "victim" willingly ate his own flesh together with the instigator, & after dying from the wound was eaten by the same. The whole vibe was very Jeff Dahmer-esque imo
I had no idea he passed away until just now so I was surprised to see the comments talking about him in the past tense. Even aside from the obvious justice unserved, this is one of the most bizarre stories I’ve ever heard. Nico coming into the picture just increases the bizarrerie (which is coincidentally the French word for it). You could say bizarre over a thousand times about this story and it wouldn’t be enough.
Ever since I was a child and got into anime/manga, I constantly asked my mother to take me to Japan and she would joke that there are cannibals who will eat you to get me to stop asking. I only later learned she was referring to this case :o
For the ppl who don't get it, 0:19 the man on the photo was the Japanese cannibal who shot his German tutor who was a 25-year-old dutch woman named Renée Hartevelt at the back of her head with a rifle and ate her body.
This video made me think that there are two types of people who like horror and murderers: 1. those who feel identified and attracted to the murderers, really, to a pint of admiration 2. Those of us who are simply curious, like stories and the psychology behind those stories Now it makes me wonder how fine that line is between the two personalities. 😮 Edit: Aki!!! The man had a cannibal recipe book, that gives clues, WTF!!
Yeah.. That cookbook was one of the main red flags. Throughout the interview, I observed Aki's behavior(s) and she was definitely uncomfortable. Her body language steadily became closed off as she crossed her arms and leaned against the chair - trying to create distance (even though the interview was done on a video call. I don't blame her, however, as I'd behave similarly). I'll have to rewatch the interview to include timestamps, but if I recall correctly, Aki's discomfort was more visible when Nico was showing her graphic pictures w/out explicit warning. Specifically, the small black-and-white photo that had the cannibal's signature on the back.
This whole video is unsettling, especially the interview. I am glad for yhe post editing Aki letting us know that Nico is a cannibal. And it is scary to think about.
I’ve watched an interview with a serial killer before in my psychology class. In that interview he was also calm when talking to the interviewer. It was the interview with Ted Bundy before his execution. It’s very chilling how calm and conversational Nico is in the interview.
“Wow you would never tell this guy is awful.” He sells REAL items from serial killers??? That’s clear idolization and he literally has so much true crime shit and a zodiac killer mini figure ??
Listening to that interview with context has given me this strange sense of dread. Like that was a seemingly normal person and I wouldn't have known otherwise. That he ate somebody... Another human being. An it's strangely humbling, most of us think we'll never meet someone like that. Or that somehow we'd know to stay away. But the reality is we don't. Even the way he talked about it seemed like was just a outsider, like us reading and watching, not understanding. But he does understand, he's experienced it, done it. An honestly I'm speechless.
The way he talks about Sagawa in a way that suggests he’s horrified by his actions, yet has such a horrific history himself is. Very scary. Just goes to show that those types of people are truly monsters amongst us.
My ex collected art from serial killers, had a few of Sagawa's art pieces and I think a letter? NICO AND I SPOKE VIA VIDEO CHAT AND I NEVER NEW HE WAS A CANNIBAL?! I remember saying to my partner that he creeped me out, that his eyes were so cold. I felt uncomfortable and somewhat scared, I even got up in the middle of the call for a bit because I did not like him at all. My partner thought I was being rude, but I just couldn't shake the horrible feeling I had. I found out while watching this and I'm even MORE creeped out. Spooky side story: I used to have vivid and graphic nightmares when I started sleeping over my partners house, I blessed some of the art and sealed them in blessed frames, it wasn't until I did that and he got rid of a large collection of the art did the nightmares stop. He had a piece from "the Night Stalker" that I hated, and I saw a figure standing in the area near it. I begged him to sell that piece, and he thankfully did. He stopped collecting that stuff early into our relationship, thankfully. Someone in my family was murdered by a serial killer and he saw how it effected me and my family.
@@alia1758 Hes actually a really wonderful person c: and not creepy at all. He just had a strange fascination with serial killers, and quickly learned how unempathetic most documentaries are to victims. We both collect things from the occult and dark magic side of things now and stay away from killers. I understand most people find it creepy...but we are very normal people! Hes still a really great friend of mine.
I know you mentioned doing this episode took a real toll on you but thank you for doing it for us. I love your true crime episodes and I hope you keep doing them in the future. But do take care of yourself. Lots of love from South Africa ❤ 🇿🇦
The weirdest part of the interview is him saying that his girlfriend was scared of Sagawa because he’s a cannibal and knows where they life. But she is actually living and dating a cannibal.
Finally you made a video about it! I haven’t watched it yet but being from France, I felt so mad knowing that the Japanese justice didn’t do anything as if a foreigner’s life meant nothing. Same thing happened with the case of the missing french woman in Japan in 2018 (most likely murdered) where the local police gave little to no cooperation. That’s crazy and really disheartening…
agree, ethnicity shouldnt matter when you take on a case, the fact that it was in this story op said makes it really disheartening that they didnt really care cause she was french @@schemesthefox1255
Considering Nico is also a cannibal, you can think how much upset he must have felt for aki asking questions about another cannibal, without ever giving any thought or recognition to him (she didn't know he was one at the time, but he also didn't know that) for his actions. If I was Aki, I would get scared thinking I might have hurt his pride as a cannibal (that is, if nico is as proud as sagawa about his crimes) That being said, the thought of Aki interviewing a guy who's pretty much the same as sagawa without even knowing that really creeps me out. It shows that we have no idea that someone very close to us could also be a cannibal
I wish some people did not criticize Aki for not knowing this guy is also a cannibal and serial killer, because I didn't (okay, just looked him up, and realize I do know of him, not by his actual name, but by his press name; see the Murderpedia entry on him). I've been into true crime and serial killers for a long time, ever since I was affected by the ones that were active in our state and general area when I was growing up (Night Stalker, Calveras County killers, and Yosemite Park killer). I'm obviously more familiar with serial killers, even some lesser-known ones, from the US, and it's only with the accessibility of information with the internet that I'm aware of the ones in the world. I do think we should be grateful that she has brought attention about this guy, not to glorify him, but to be aware that this world and people like this exist freely in society, and to watch out for it. What kind of world allows people to profit off of tragic killings of this nature, right? If you hear someone talking about these things in the same way as this guy does, take it as a lesson in paying attention to red flags about people. He is very casual talking about these things, he has a huge collection of things he is rather proud of. I'm into information about serial killers and their motives, but I would be horrified to have anything belonging to them, have any correspondence with them, or any merch associated with them. People, particularly law enforcement, who have had to interview serial killers have to be very professional and stoical, as the intelligent ones will take any little bit of info that is mistakenly divulged. I'm personally more worried for Aki, as a public YT personality who did this interview, more than anything else. And as much as I am a proponent of getting people with mental health issues the help they need, if one's issues are the kind that makes you harm or eliminate the overall health and lives of multiple people for whatever reason, then I have no sympathy.
The problem is not that she interviewed a serial killer without knowing it, but that after realizing who he was still went thorough with the video in the same manner as she had before. Giving him a platform and linking his website is basically promoting what he has done. It would have been interesting to see a video re-framing it around how a convicted cannibal is keeping in contact with others like him and selling their items online for profit, without promoting his shop or obsession with cannibals, but this video is not that.
@@EasterWitch True enough. I had missed the end where she linked to the guy's info, and that is absolutely done post-editing with the new knowledge. I think an additional edit explaining things at the end, as well as the what was done near the beginning, would have worked better, as well as eliminating the promo links. Personally, I did a quick look at the website, and pretty much clicked away almost immediately. The casual way all the merch was displayed really did bother me. It does appear to be much more promotional with all that, and I wonder if an edit and re-upload would be beneficial in this case. Honestly, remembering more of who this guy was is not doing my mind any favors, since I'm about the same age as him. Ugh.
@akidearest Ed Gein influenced much of the horror slasher movies from the 70's/80's and is worth a read since you like true crime. He was not just a cannibal, but would use human parts and skin to make furniture, wind chimes, lamp shades and clothes ect... They have some good documentaries online. Also Andrei Chikatilo was a really messed up serial killer that had a victim count in the low 50s. There was an made for HBO movie called "Citizen X" that is based off of his crimes and capture that is a decent movie, though if you read about the real events they are much worse than the movie shows. I really enjoy your true crime series because you manage to remain objective with the info, but still can show your disdain of these monsters.
As soon as you showed the picture of this guy, I was like, “Wait a minute… That’s the cannibal of France I saw some RUclipsrs having dinner with!” I watched that video and it was rather creepy. He has an awful lot of oddities in his collection that he’s collected over the years from serial killers and a ton of letters from ones he’s written to, including one of the Manson women! He served them raw mystery meat from a skull served with a spicy mustard from a skull serving dish and asked them weird questions… He was surprisingly nice, welcoming and charming otherwise, showed off his collection with pride… but it was creepy and i wouldn’t have gone there to a strange known cannibal’s house. Nope… The weirdest part is that he seems really nice and friendly, but when you know what he did, you kind of freak out.
15 years ago Gothic-punk me would have thought tht stuff was edgy but these days as an adult with little kids in my care, & having thawed my heart & experienced the magic of life.. all this just gives me a crazy feeling. Humanity is complex; terrible, beautiful and often a little lost. Its a reminder that people still do cling very much to these dimensions of experience even till relatively late in their lives.
Looked up Nico's crimes while watching, he was known as "The Vampire of Paris". It does seem like there were serious mental health considerations at play according to court psychiatrists, but he still committed some wild criminal acts.
Him talking so casually and having the act of being "interested" makes me feel so eerie and gives a churn in my stomach...Stay safe Aki, always research before having an interview..!
Somehow I feel like Aki doesn't do enough research on the topics she discuss. I love true crime, which is why I still watched it and I like Aki but someone really has to proofcheck her research. It feels kind of disappointing that she had a chance to talk to an actual killer/cannibal and criminal because of the position she's in but can't do a quick background check on the person she's interviewing. This isn't the only time she's made errors while investigating (this is the second time she's made an error about this particular case). I hope she does due diligence next time to give more respect to the victims and people involved. I get it is for entertainment and I was entertained but still a little bit of care goes a long way.
@@mischievous_ang3l But the video made by the RUclipsr she mentioned was a couple of years ago. Plus, Nico is easily searchable via the Internet. It's basic journalistic practice to do a background check on people you're going to interview.
I'm a long-time subscriber from the Netherlands, but I didn't knew about this case as it happened before I was born and for some reason most of the true crime stuff I find on RUclips covers either interesting foreign cultures like Japan or English speaking countries so I don't know a lot about non-English European cases.
I also come from the Netherlands born and raised but thanks to my Dutch granny she has seen it on the news~ but her memory is vague because shes getting old but the name reminded her and was on tv news. That the info I have now my fellow Dutch people~
Fantastic video Aki! And great interview. I am a big fan of true crime and this one has always been so interesting, knowing the way he got to go free and turn himself into a celebrity of curiosity.
Nico’s store is called “Serial Pleasures”. The only chance he wasn’t himself a killer/cannibal was if he hadn’t worked up the courage yet, as he clearly fetishizes this stuff. Not remotely surprised.
Nick is just as guilty as the perpetrators and their crime by making money off the victim. Every Franc he makes should go to the victims families. You're just as despicable. I love how you contained yourself Aki while interviewing such a morbid person.
This is honestly so unnerving to watch, but so interesting. I'm sure Aki would have rather not know she was talking to a cannibal or else we wouldn't be able to see this type of content. i feel she would be so scared to even go through with it. How normal he is and how his eyes light up talking about different people who were cannibals. It gave me chills. Also...did his girlfriend know he was a cannibal? And Aki please be safe!
Just imagining if you did get back intouch with this guy again after this video. "Why didn't you say you were also a cannibal??" "Well, you never asked"
It reminds me of a cannibal Japanese manga I wanted to read online. The art was stunning and all but the guy (the one we all thought just liked animal meat) was actually a cannibal. It’s really nauseating how people think cannibalism is okay or cool.
The way you tell these stories makes them so much more interesting. It makes me excited to learn about all the different things in Japan (especially the true crime stuff)
It’s crazy that a killer cannibal is telling us that it’s okay to be fascinated with morbidity and you’re not a bad person for looking into it when that kind of thing is what lead him to do what he did. I feel weird now
it's so crazy to me that this man got so much attention and recognition in Japan and didn't end up in prison like he should have.
Right?
International laws and ethnocentricism are a crazy combo man (I did collegiate studies on the ethnocentricism part and still love Japan chill people making those comments)
@@SesshyLover777 French police drop the case because they determined that Sagawa was legally insane. Japanese police didn`t buy that and try to prosecute him but the French didn't gave them all the documents so they couldn`t do anything.
Yeah !! Like wtf?!
This is just my speculation, but I think Sagawa is actually more famous overseas than in Japan.
This interview is another great example of how creepily NORMAL most serial killers and dangerous people look.
It’s sad how you can nearly guarantee that no matter how many atrocities someone commits they could go somewhere where they aren’t recognized. No connection to the past and no knowledge of the danger. There is much less legal intervention than needed or would be assumed. Hope everyone stays as safe as they can out there
He's not what I call normal though. If you look carefully serial killer's faces they all have a really cold and hollow gaze.
@@MikuPinky Yeah... But even looking at pictures people still would trust the killers over the normal people. Not everyone is so observant that you can see the lack of emotions in their eyes.
You only get the red flags depending on your interactions. And how they react to it
@@usonohoshi6165 I know, how many people thought Ted Bundy was the good guy (helping suicidal people and all) while he looked like a psycho. Solely his gaze makes me shiver. I guess things like "oh you can't judge a book by its cover" (which is a good advice) kinda tossed out our 6th sense. I mean, we're animals in the end.
For this part, I'm divided; some are best at hiding their APD so I agree, you need a little bit of conversation or observation to spot them; whereas, in the case of Nicolas Claux, just look at the photos and try pretend you don't see anything. The one where he's long hair and wearing a camel jacket is hella scary. Left eye is hollow; right eye is pure evil. Takes only one look to get the chills. Same vibe with the japanese one in the video. Seing this I would never want to talk to them, even without knowing what they did. Because their eyes speak for themselves.
I don't know where you are from, but in french we have this quote "Les yeux sont les fenêtres de l'âme" ("The eyes are the windows of the soul") and I think it's beautiful because it's true, you can see a lot of things through them, lots of emotions. And since APD people lack of empathy and tend to be sadists and manipulators, these things are also visible. Coldness and sadism...
Well they’re still people, no matter the adjective you put in front of it
It's crazy that we're just watching an interview of Aki talking to an actual cannibal and murderer without her knowing it, pretty scary..
Them talking about how liking true crime doesn’t mean you’re an evil criminal lol
@@VTWS no he actually killed someone
@@eli7695yeah that’s what I mean dude is saying that stuff but literally murders people
@@babyj77.he was. the whole point is he was. You are just loud and wrong
@@babyj77. sit down lil bro, just stop
Ok so I searched up Nico and read quite some horrendous stuff, this man is just as crazy as isegawa himself. He also killed a person in Paris and ate them. He has an extensive history of digging up corpses and eating them raw. This whole interview he acted just like a normal person. It’s crazy that killers just look and act like normal people and we can’t tell at all yikes…😰
this!!
Yep it's all on purpose which makes it more eerie. That's why most recorded behaviour patterns of ppl that do this shit is them trying to mostly act like a role of a normal person to convince the other person to let their guard down
wait what? he digged corpses up and eat them?
@@yufei30 yup queen he even had sex with one
How he's not arrested??
I can't believe the entire video is Aki talking to a cannibal, about another cannibal, without realizing she was talking to a cannibal. I have so many questions
I know! I oddly feel sick hearing Nico speak like this is all crazy and not what I expected
It adds a whole other layer of unease and fear to the interview. More unnerving.
😷😷
Now I feel uncomfortable watching this interview. I can’t blame Aki for this one. She said herself that she didn’t know that Nico is a cannibal.
Dude all like “well I’d never eat him no of course not that’s crazy”
The fact that we know that Nico is a cannibal but you didn't at the time of interview adds more layers to how wild this is
It’s all so creepy😊
Saw Jake webbers interview with Nico and seen some of Nico’s videos
I hope he changed as a person cause if not, this is just as creepy he has these notes and shit
@@LyraPyxisVTyea me too :( 🙏
@@LyraPyxisVTme too I just hope to God, that he’s in his best behaviour here.
it is scary to think that a loophole in the justice system allowed a murderer to roam free without punishment or a sentence.
Happens literally daily, unfortunately.
billionaires and politicians takin notes
Japan’s justice system is broken 😡, and they should be ashamed of themselves of making this horrid being into a celebrity.
@@Mankey619 I think if I remember well that in this case it wasn’t just Japan justice fault but mostly French justice… Pretty sure based on the fact that a serial killer got only a few years of prison in my hometown in France because his psychological analysis said he was a psychopath and had history of childhood SA and even k1lled his r3pist…
@@Mankey619he was living in France at the time international laws can get real wierd and complicated
Nico apparently he served 12 years in prison and has 6 counts of grave robberies. He also goes by "The Vampire of Paris" i find it very creepy that he's so fascinated by cannibals and felons when clearly he is one too, that shows how more messed up his fascination is because it's not just because of curiosity, its also cause hes exactly like these people.
Especially a cookbook
@@basementdwellercosplayyeah alot of the stuff is wierd but the cook book is just way too far wtf
WHY IS HE RELEASED?!
im facinated by that he hasnt eaten his gf yet.. its worrisome
@@shadysaarI’m more fascinated by why does he even have a girlfriend ?!
I think the fact that Nico has stated some of his fascination with cannibalism started because of all the news he saw in France as a kid about Sagawa is the most disturbing part of all of this.
And here Aki is, spreading more information like that to more people, saying how "fascinating" it is... Plus interviewing a killer and a cannibal, I wouldn't want to form any connection with such people, for my own sake
Yeahh I searched him up and he also killed someone in Paris and ate them just like isegawa did.
@eggchant you say that, but what about journalists who interview killers and dictators?
@katelynbrown98 One thing is doing it to raise awareness of their deplorable actions condemning it and passing condolences to the families, another thing is doing it for the entertainment of the "fascinated" masses. Also you need to take into account the fact that many killers do it for attention, and to leave a mark, so keeping this form of entertainment reinforces it. You may argue that even without this "entertainment" the killer would be killing, but you can't deny that it may give them the necessary push
@@eggchantshe didn't know he was a killer before the interview. Did you actually listen to the video at all?
This guy was such a creep, even to mock the dead by making a manga and books about his experience in killing and eating her. What goes through that type of mind?
ask him lol
I think it's just for the attention. it's better to be hated than to be lonely for a lot of people.
@@user-hc8xu1kx3u right, want to come over and have a seance?
@@user-hc8xu1kx3u I think they're referring to Sagawa, not the guy Aki was interviewing.
@@Chainsawwieldingbear i know🤭
Nico being a cannibal and publishing a cannibalism cook book under the guise of innocently being “fascinated” by it is so incredibly scary
Bro literally publishes a manual
@@krakmynutzLMAOOOO
delicious flavoring, though. i want to write using that premise
HE DID? 💀💀💀
Yk Nico dug up DEAD corpses and ATE them
Good Lord I just wiki-ed Nico and all I can say is thank GOD that Aki didn't have a face-to-face with Nico. I don't know if he's changed or not but what he did in the past, that man should NOT be walking free.
people like that don't change. they don't see their victims as equals, doubt they view people in general as equal.
Although he has stopped commiting his crimes, i don't know if he has changed mentally. Sure, now he can hold back, but what if he still has those thoughts? Chilling
and one part of the video he say he's gonna send aki a copy of a book is all concerning 💀💀💀
@@Solirhapshopefully she has a PO box....right ? 💀 or just backs out of it and doesn't send over the info
true
Please revisit Nicolas Claux. He himself is not only a cannibal but a killer, and the fact he sells 'authentic' serial killer possessions I think warrants a video on
I’m a bit surprised how there's so much more about Nico Claux, and Aki didn’t know until after the interview
@@only_shin_deepI didn't even know
Honestly, alarm bells were ringing in my head when she said that he also sold actual serial killer possessions...so that explains a lot.
@@worknotinprogress7172 same it's a bit creepy that he was a cannibal and a serial killer and have notes and stuff from serial killers, I just hope he changed as a person cause If he didn't aki is given this man attention he doesn't deserve
He was also a necrophile
How ironic that Nico, a serial killer, saying he doesnt have empathy for serial killers because they're manipulative. The irony.
Right, it's kinda weird since he is one himself
He's not a serial killer tho. He killed "just" one person
@@marjoriedanis9744 He admits to many attempts though, including of a woman around 3 days before his arrest.
No. Makes sense.
Dude is not just a killer, but also a cannibal. If he had ANY kind of Empathy for anyone, he wouldn't have done what he did, while also using others like him for exploitation and earn money from them, even now.
The main point of abnormal homicidal humans is that, their minds work very differently than most people. This also means that their minds work very different from other abnormal homicidal humans. Just because one coldblooded killer relishes in their actions, does not mean another will the same way. You could have two serial killers working together to kill somebody in the exact same unusual way they've been doing for years, and there's a chance, probably a decent chance even, that they do not empathize with each other. This is because of their own personal preference. They can be meticulous over even the smallest detail, and if that other person neglects that detail, then this causes incomprehension.
Think of it like this. Two friends enjoy eating burgers, in fact, its their favorite food. However, one of them hate having mayo on theirs, while the other loves it like that. The one who doesn't like it decides to not eat it just because of mayo being on there. They can't empathize with why their friend can tolerate having mayo on their burger, even though they enjoy the same food. This picky behavior makes even more sense when you realize that these two friends are little immature kids. An abnormal homicidal person has an immature/childish mind that has been influenced by dangerous tendencies. When you think about it this way; the pickiness, the immaturity, the childishness, all of that having been corrupted, it makes complete sense why an abnormal homicidal human doesn't have empathy for another of their kind - they're so similar to us, but completely different to them.
That sudden cut, to explain who Nico was before the interview, got me spook ngl, cause the sudden stop was eerie as hell, Amazing video though nonetheless.
Yeah I got really scared for a moment and it was literally the middle of the night
Same I also got scared since it’s aswell midnight
I read this a few seconds before it happened and wasn’t expecting it to be like this- that was pretty spooky
Yeah I never heard about him until now it's scary to think he has public art selling events where he is around people 24/7 as well if he just wanted to do horrible things
i literally flinched 💀
Just looked this guy up, I would never in a million years be able to guess whatever the hell he has done.
It's crazy how normal all these people look.
Him and his pen pal buddies actually have a similar vibe, and a little bit of a similar look :(. I see it in their eyes
Yeah I can see it now -
They don't look normal to me. When I look at their face something in my gut tells me to stay away.
That's not surprising, every person that doesn't have a "normal" neurological development or out of the norms interests tries to behave like a civilised human being, that's what people with medical conditions, neurodivergences or criminal tendencies always do in order to fit in
Aki, seriously. You might want to vet or research who you’re gonna interview in the future. Be careful down this road.
I know especially since she claimed to "go deep" for these videos. Apparantly not enough.
@@nunyabiznuss3040 I think she meant she went deep on the actual cannibal and not the person because she said as she found the book that had the full translation she then realized oh hey, there’s a publisher attached to this and then looked him up but yeah she definitely should’ve searched his name a little bit more because if you look up his publishing and then he links to some thing that has like serial killer memorabilia, then more than likely you should probably look him up too
i do worry that she might be in over her head, i mean it no disparaging way when i say something like this is perhaps too much for an amateur production to take on
@@nunyabiznuss3040there was no information about him being cannibal when she did her research on him 💀
if u search his name up nicholaus claux or just ''nico cannibal'' u can find everything abt him, and how he was dubbed ''the vampire of paris''@@onyx1550
It’s really interesting hearing a cannibal talking about another cannibal ..!
I just hope he changed as a person
@@LyraPyxisVT yeah I hope !!
@@rinchuu_ cause if not, aki is giving him attention he doesn't deserve
@@LyraPyxisVT yeah fr that would be bad but I think he changed! I mean if Aki didn’t mention that he was a cannibal I wouldn’t even realize it idk he was behaving normally
@@rinchuu_ same I wouldn't have noticed to, but the video made me unsettled knowing he is a cannibal and was once a criminal and he keeps stuff from criminals
13:40 the fact that the magazine owner went to jail and sagawa didn't is INSANE
REAL
The way he speaks on having no empathy for serial killers while being one himself… Chilling.
I’d also like to add that when he offered to send Aki a copy of that book I felt my stomach sink. Looked up some information on him and I just have to say… The way I would cut all contact immediately 💀
Psychopaths understand other psychopaths. They don't have empathy or sympathy for one another, but they may be impressed with each other's work or have admiration while still being repulsed by one another
im genuinely scared for aki ngl💀💀💀
I'm pretty sure that's why he is so at ease about it because there are others like him. He sees that they don't have empathy, so he knows his wrong doings are not that bad to him.
@@FunkyBukkyoexactly this
It makes sense, he said they only want something from him. Well, he only wants something from them too.
Notice how, even tho japan doesnt have that much of a crime rate, the crimes that do happen there are the most bizarre.
I was looking for this comment 💀 💀
exactly 😭
for reall
I think the statistics may just be a lie. As if nobody can bother to report the crime for any social reason in that country, how would that statistic actually be true?
@@yansakuya1 unfortunately, a lot of issues are overlooked in Japan. And yeah most people don't talk about what they're feeling.
It does gives chills knowing you're interviewing a cannibal about an other cannibal. Aki going in real deep.
Why do that sound sus
My husband just peeked over my shoulder to watch the video with me, I just finished telling him the story. He is a tough guy but even he was shook. Aki... I have been a fan of yours for a few years. I know that your mental health took a hit after finding out that his man is also a killer and a cannibal. Please take care. Much love from montreal!
Justice was not served. Sagawa was essentially living his best life. I'd be disgusted if I was Renee's family seeing him live so carefree, and profit after taking her life.
WHY SHOULD HE BE LIVING A GOOD LIFE HES A CANNIBAL
Oh nvm srry I readed your comment wrong I’m sorry
It's always so unsettling to see murderers look and act completely normal. Like, I dont blame Aki for not knowing. I wouldn't have known just from this conversation. I can't imagine the mental impact of finding out afterward.
Maybe a 🚩 red flag 🚩 Nico said he wanted to encourage Sagawa’s craziness because he “found it funny.” Right after Sahara told Nico he wanted to be EATEN by him and his gf.
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t want to encourage a cannibal killer who is roaming free!?!
its not a surprise since Nico is a cannibal killer himself
I hate the fact that Japanese entertainment industry monetary supported Sagawa by putting him in a TV program. I was so shocked to find him in a show with Bakusho-mondai, a well known comedian duo (Now I want to cancel them). A monster like Sagawa should have been socially/ mentally more punished. He definitely should have been isolated from society, instead of getting attention from the media, which I think is totally insane.
That's not a bakushou-mondai TV show. bakushou-mondai is just a performer in a video work produced by Terry Ito. At that time, bakushou-mondai was just a young comedian, so I don't think they were in a position to be selective about their work. by the way, in his later years, Sagawa was no longer featured in the media in Japan and was in considerable financial poverty. I think it was Western media, not Japan, that made Sagawa earn money in his later years.
The fact that Nico has everything.
Literally everything, from famous killers and cannibals.. turned my stomach upside down.. but when I looked onto his case.. It made it even worse..
Its ironic the way he basically laughs and makes it seem he is just "interested" and the persona he put was a great act..
But who am I to judge maybe he did change.. but I wouldn't be so sure..
Anyways great video..
Tho I'm now concerned about your safety..
I hope he doesn't bother you or wants to meet up..
Stay safe..
And keep up the good work..
When the cannibalistic killer gets more attention and freedom than the innocent woman he murdered, is absolutely gut-wrenching. The only thing about the case that brought me some joy is Issei died of pneumonia, won’t miss him.
It's unfair. I wish that Renee's story was told instead of Issei. She should've gotten all of the attention, her life, her aspirations, documentaries made about her, not him! Issei Sagawa should not have gotten the attention he had - much less him being heralded. Smh
Wow absolutely terrifying😮 I think cannibalism is where I draw the line of creepiness. It's actually scary to know Aki talked to a cannibal without knowing because I'm sure she wouldn't have interviewed him.
she would have ask about his own experience and the what got him to do it
I don't think so either
Don't knock it til you try it but I personally draw the line at furries...strange right?
@nikolaybondarev7407 do you think bugs bunny is weird/creepy?
@@nikolaybondarev7407 furries aren't that weird.
I swear when Aki said that she didn’t realize she was talking to a cannibal about another cannibal about cannibalism that just sank my stomach.
And it's the fact when she asked abt if he feels empathy in him he then describes a cannibals perspective, wich he was probably describing from his perspective too.
I would be suspicious about anyone who collects serial killers’ belongings. Major red flags that something is not right. Nico is a cannibal, and it’s not at all a surprise. Anyone as invested in collecting + selling serial killer memorabilia as Nico is cannot be a sane, typical person. That is not just being “a huge fan of True Crime” or whatever.
I’m 16 yr old normal girl and I would 🤷♀️
@@bonesnpink9428please get help.
@@bonesnpink9428real
@bonesnpink9428, you're also 16 and haven't learned the harm that causes and that romanticizing these guys is not a good thing
@@KomaedasOneTrueHope learn the difference between romanticizing and just enjoying something
I’m so conflicted with this video. On one hand knowing nico is an actual convicted cannibal, I don’t like the promotion and given platform of him. Despite that, he seems so well informed into the topic of cannibalism and serial killers it’s hard to look away or not pay attention to him and he made this video very informative. Like some of the personal letters and arts he received is only available because of interviews like these. It’s like a double edged sword.
I thought it was distasteful. He is clearly not ashamed of being a cannibal. He glamorizes this lifestyle. I read an interview with him and he is basically on the brink of doing it again, that is, if he's not doing it already. Absolutely no regret and continues to fantasize about on a daily basis. He is a deeply mentally ill man and both people like him and Sagawa should be locked in mental asylums until they die because they are a threat to anyone around them.
well tbf she did give a disclaimer that she didn't know about what he did before the interview was conducted so i think that should indicate that Aki would probably never give someone like this a platform to speak from if she was already aware, plus there's the fact that the guy was acting like a completely normal person the entire time almost which proves even the most monsterous individuals can hide the darkness of their pasts like it's nothing
@@CeliMewbut she did post the video, even tho she knew already about this past. I don’t know what to think either, but it is interesting, although I already knew that people like them can seem extremely normal sometimes
@@CeliMew Or people can change after years in prison? It is entirely possible that he went from an obsessive killing cannibal, to somebody that just obsesses over collecting stuff from criminals etc. Unless/until he does something else, I'm not gonna treat him like some sort of demon. Even if what he did in the past was absolutely demonic.
I love how this channel went from, "What's in the box!!?" to true crime in only a few years.
Growing up! 😭 😭 😭
This was very very disturbing vibes. I hope you can focus more on victims. They are the ones who really deserve the spotlight and include helplines. Mental health is real everyone should do therapy and journal cause clearly it was something he was very fixated on including tried to get them to eat him and meet... and there seemed to be a cannibal underground inner circle to other cannibals is Shocking…But excited to see what you do in the future!
agreed on focusing more on victims and adding helplines. boost
yes but she didnt realize this guy was a cannibal until after. also, many victims don't like talking abt this stuff because its very traumatizing for them.
@@appIebugOr they are just straight up dead.. but yeah, I think focusing more on the victims is what I look for in true crime stuff. Their story deserves to be told more than the person that hurt them.
@@appIebug She also could have just not posted the video. Having researched Nico more, he is just as despicable, if not more so, than the Japanese cannibal.
This dude clearly loves the attention from the crimes he has committed. He gives RUclipsrs house tours of his "serial killer" house. He publishing cookbooks about cannibalism. He is constantly giving interviews about his crimes and bragging about them.
Nico is not only proud of the crimes he committed, but he also wants to be famous for them. Giving him a platform is exactly what he wants. Honestly, I think this video should be privated. Nico should not be given a platform in any way. Of course, it may not be safe for Aki to do so because I don't trust Nico to not retaliate if he felt angry.
This is absolutely crazy, especially with the fact that Issei Sagawa was able to live a life of freedom after murdering and eating Reneé. It's mind-boggling...I have a lot of questions. The fact that Aki didn't know that Nico is a cannibal until AFTER the interview...it gives me chills.
Ikr 😢
It was an.... interesting video to say the least, Aki. I commend the grind n the commitment but i do wish there was more discussion from the victim n her family's perspective.
I just can't help but feel like her existence being diminished n reduced to some kind of prop to a deranged lunatic is so unnerving n despicable. It's tragic to think that's all she's known for n never even received justice for it.
They briefly mentioned how there’s little to no information on the victim, but I get where you’re coming from and I definitely agree.
To be honest, I'd feel highly uncomfortable contacting a victim's family for an interview. I know it's a normal thing to do when doing a documentary or comprehensive analysis, but I don't have the stomach for it. Aki might feel the same way. If you searched, I'm sure you'll find people who talk about the victims in as much detail as they can. I think Coffeehouse Crime did a segment on these killings.
As another stated, their is not much information on her. It’s one of the sad things in true crime especially with historical cases it is hard to get that information. Some of it could be due to the overshadowing of the crime, it could be nothing much of note of corse, but also not everyone would go on recounting the life for their family or friends I great detail. It could be not wanting to drudge up regrets in relationship or just wanting to grieve in a way not thrown into the public eye.
Of corse it’s important, but sometimes that’s how it goes.
Exactly my thoughts
Well said
oh my god Aki are you okay?? im so glad Joey is in close proximity to you and you seem to have a good support system. the video is amazing but im just concerned how you felt afterwards ;;
The fact that aki talked to a cannibal without knowing, but let us know beforehand, made this person instantly scary. thinking about the fact that he basically did similar things that were talked about and shown to aki and us...and that he liked to do those things and most likely wanted to collect those things because he probably gets off on those...and that he was most likely "inspired" to do the things that he ended up doing because of sagawa...thinking about the fact that the mouth we saw talking on camera ate another human being- I actually became sick to my stomach and almost threw up at the end of that video. That person is so damn scary. Humans are scary because they can appear normal and simply have interests like these because we are simply curious af and even want to know about morbid things. I've looked up "how long does a corpse stay in rigor mortis" but because i was genuinely curious and need that info for a manga ive always wanted to make (where the characters die but eventually they reawaken as if they had never died....kinda similar to the manga Ajin (because i have been inspired by it) but with actual real life science and facts stretched to their limits but in the end still being science fiction.) But then hearing about what that one human has done is honestly the scariest shit ever. It's reminding me of that one time where the dog of my sister's friend was so cute and nice to me. And then he chased a cat and killed it on the spot the next day. That dog bit that cat's head off. Literally. Because a friend, of my sister's friend, didn't believe that the dog had to be kept on the leash at all times when walking outside, because he will kill other animals no matter the size otherwise. I was terrified of that dog from that point on. I was just a 12 year old. He couldve done the same to me in a blink of an eye. (but in that case the dog simply had a hunting instinct. Different to the actions of a human that kills other humans.) Imagine talking to someone briefly on one day, and then the next day you see him on the news because he killed a person and ate their face or something. And then thinking about....that victim couldve easily been me....or someone i know or am related to. Or worse you then get to know that a missing family member has been killed by that person you talked to yesterday. And the fact that exactly that has happened and still happens over and over again is so sick. Humans are fascinating but god damn some of them are so damn sick. And need help.
He didn't find it "funny" that he offered for him and his gf to eat him. If he had the opportunity where he could do it without consequences he would have. He is and was fascinated by him bc they are one in the same no matter how he lies to act like he's special and a "different" kind of cannibal and m*rderer. His intent is transparent (to me) in how he fails to try and distance himself and talk sh*t about him like the "but I'm not like that." Its no surprise that he has done the same thing and enjoys being in touch with others like him, feel a connection and normalize his own sadistic behavior in his mind. I see that he is delighted by all of this. He's creep who should be behind bars.
In his interview with Jake, he said that he was considering it but turned it down because his gf was against the idea of it. This was right after he showed the guys a letter (i think) from a guy who had found someone online who had wanted to die this way. They met up & the "victim" willingly ate his own flesh together with the instigator, & after dying from the wound was eaten by the same. The whole vibe was very Jeff Dahmer-esque imo
He was behind bars already. And hasn't been found guilty of anything since. The only issue that remains is that, well... he's an odd, creepy guy.
I had no idea he passed away until just now so I was surprised to see the comments talking about him in the past tense. Even aside from the obvious justice unserved, this is one of the most bizarre stories I’ve ever heard. Nico coming into the picture just increases the bizarrerie (which is coincidentally the French word for it). You could say bizarre over a thousand times about this story and it wouldn’t be enough.
“Was there ever a time you thought maybe you shouldn’t continue talking to this cannibal?”
“Yeah he started asking for money 😒”
That made me laugh 😂 how nonchalant he was about it after everything 😂
Ever since I was a child and got into anime/manga, I constantly asked my mother to take me to Japan and she would joke that there are cannibals who will eat you to get me to stop asking. I only later learned she was referring to this case :o
That's actually kinda fucked up Jesus Christ
Im pretty sure this is not the only japanese cannibal
For the ppl who don't get it, 0:19 the man on the photo was the Japanese cannibal who shot his German tutor who was a 25-year-old dutch woman named Renée Hartevelt at the back of her head with a rifle and ate her body.
She was his classmate and she was Dutch
This video made me think that there are two types of people who like horror and murderers: 1. those who feel identified and attracted to the murderers, really, to a pint of admiration 2. Those of us who are simply curious, like stories and the psychology behind those stories Now it makes me wonder how fine that line is between the two personalities. 😮
Edit: Aki!!! The man had a cannibal recipe book, that gives clues, WTF!!
The guy said that he translated the recipies that were given by the Japanese cannabal. That is why there was a japanese dish pictured.
Yeah.. That cookbook was one of the main red flags. Throughout the interview, I observed Aki's behavior(s) and she was definitely uncomfortable. Her body language steadily became closed off as she crossed her arms and leaned against the chair - trying to create distance (even though the interview was done on a video call. I don't blame her, however, as I'd behave similarly).
I'll have to rewatch the interview to include timestamps, but if I recall correctly, Aki's discomfort was more visible when Nico was showing her graphic pictures w/out explicit warning. Specifically, the small black-and-white photo that had the cannibal's signature on the back.
This whole video is unsettling, especially the interview. I am glad for yhe post editing Aki letting us know that Nico is a cannibal. And it is scary to think about.
"Do you guys want to eat me?" Makes so much more sense knowing hes a cannibal too 12:32
Right?! And just how Aki had no idea is just scary to me.
Aki, hun, I enjoy your content, but please remember to stay safe.
I’ve watched an interview with a serial killer before in my psychology class. In that interview he was also calm when talking to the interviewer. It was the interview with Ted Bundy before his execution. It’s very chilling how calm and conversational Nico is in the interview.
“Wow you would never tell this guy is awful.” He sells REAL items from serial killers??? That’s clear idolization and he literally has so much true crime shit and a zodiac killer mini figure ??
Listening to that interview with context has given me this strange sense of dread. Like that was a seemingly normal person and I wouldn't have known otherwise. That he ate somebody... Another human being. An it's strangely humbling, most of us think we'll never meet someone like that. Or that somehow we'd know to stay away. But the reality is we don't. Even the way he talked about it seemed like was just a outsider, like us reading and watching, not understanding. But he does understand, he's experienced it, done it. An honestly I'm speechless.
He says if you want to understand the psychology of killers you have to dig deep but he's one himself so I don't think he had to dig too far
The way he talks about Sagawa in a way that suggests he’s horrified by his actions, yet has such a horrific history himself is. Very scary. Just goes to show that those types of people are truly monsters amongst us.
My ex collected art from serial killers, had a few of Sagawa's art pieces and I think a letter? NICO AND I SPOKE VIA VIDEO CHAT AND I NEVER NEW HE WAS A CANNIBAL?! I remember saying to my partner that he creeped me out, that his eyes were so cold. I felt uncomfortable and somewhat scared, I even got up in the middle of the call for a bit because I did not like him at all. My partner thought I was being rude, but I just couldn't shake the horrible feeling I had. I found out while watching this and I'm even MORE creeped out.
Spooky side story: I used to have vivid and graphic nightmares when I started sleeping over my partners house, I blessed some of the art and sealed them in blessed frames, it wasn't until I did that and he got rid of a large collection of the art did the nightmares stop. He had a piece from "the Night Stalker" that I hated, and I saw a figure standing in the area near it. I begged him to sell that piece, and he thankfully did. He stopped collecting that stuff early into our relationship, thankfully. Someone in my family was murdered by a serial killer and he saw how it effected me and my family.
That is crazy
Good to hear he's an ex cause that's so fckin creepy
@@alia1758 Hes actually a really wonderful person c: and not creepy at all. He just had a strange fascination with serial killers, and quickly learned how unempathetic most documentaries are to victims. We both collect things from the occult and dark magic side of things now and stay away from killers. I understand most people find it creepy...but we are very normal people! Hes still a really great friend of mine.
@@flower_of_zaun oh it's great if you both are okay with it!
Omg girl that sounds unreal Jesus, hope you are good.
I think I can speak for everyone when I say cannibalism is disturbing.
imagine how vegetarians are processing this
@@krakmynutz or vegans 😶
@@krakmynutz A vegetable being fed a vegetable is cannibalism.
@@krakmynutz😂
I know you mentioned doing this episode took a real toll on you but thank you for doing it for us. I love your true crime episodes and I hope you keep doing them in the future. But do take care of yourself. Lots of love from South Africa ❤ 🇿🇦
The fact that she was talking to a serial killer/cannibal about a serial killer and a cannibal is crazy🫣
Aki not knowing who Nico was or looking him up at all before this is mind blowing... Bless you lol, all jokes aside great interview.
Moral of the last half of the story...you never know if you're talking to a serial killer.
The weirdest part of the interview is him saying that his girlfriend was scared of Sagawa because he’s a cannibal and knows where they life. But she is actually living and dating a cannibal.
Finally you made a video about it! I haven’t watched it yet but being from France, I felt so mad knowing that the Japanese justice didn’t do anything as if a foreigner’s life meant nothing. Same thing happened with the case of the missing french woman in Japan in 2018 (most likely murdered) where the local police gave little to no cooperation. That’s crazy and really disheartening…
That's fucked up as a quarter French this makes me mad
I’m not French, neither am I from France, but I feel the same way :/ countries should prioritize cases by nationality, they’re still people regardless
agree, ethnicity shouldnt matter when you take on a case, the fact that it was in this story op said makes it really disheartening that they didnt really care cause she was french @@schemesthefox1255
Considering Nico is also a cannibal, you can think how much upset he must have felt for aki asking questions about another cannibal, without ever giving any thought or recognition to him (she didn't know he was one at the time, but he also didn't know that) for his actions. If I was Aki, I would get scared thinking I might have hurt his pride as a cannibal (that is, if nico is as proud as sagawa about his crimes)
That being said, the thought of Aki interviewing a guy who's pretty much the same as sagawa without even knowing that really creeps me out. It shows that we have no idea that someone very close to us could also be a cannibal
I wish some people did not criticize Aki for not knowing this guy is also a cannibal and serial killer, because I didn't (okay, just looked him up, and realize I do know of him, not by his actual name, but by his press name; see the Murderpedia entry on him). I've been into true crime and serial killers for a long time, ever since I was affected by the ones that were active in our state and general area when I was growing up (Night Stalker, Calveras County killers, and Yosemite Park killer). I'm obviously more familiar with serial killers, even some lesser-known ones, from the US, and it's only with the accessibility of information with the internet that I'm aware of the ones in the world. I do think we should be grateful that she has brought attention about this guy, not to glorify him, but to be aware that this world and people like this exist freely in society, and to watch out for it. What kind of world allows people to profit off of tragic killings of this nature, right? If you hear someone talking about these things in the same way as this guy does, take it as a lesson in paying attention to red flags about people. He is very casual talking about these things, he has a huge collection of things he is rather proud of. I'm into information about serial killers and their motives, but I would be horrified to have anything belonging to them, have any correspondence with them, or any merch associated with them. People, particularly law enforcement, who have had to interview serial killers have to be very professional and stoical, as the intelligent ones will take any little bit of info that is mistakenly divulged. I'm personally more worried for Aki, as a public YT personality who did this interview, more than anything else. And as much as I am a proponent of getting people with mental health issues the help they need, if one's issues are the kind that makes you harm or eliminate the overall health and lives of multiple people for whatever reason, then I have no sympathy.
The problem is not that she interviewed a serial killer without knowing it, but that after realizing who he was still went thorough with the video in the same manner as she had before. Giving him a platform and linking his website is basically promoting what he has done. It would have been interesting to see a video re-framing it around how a convicted cannibal is keeping in contact with others like him and selling their items online for profit, without promoting his shop or obsession with cannibals, but this video is not that.
@@EasterWitch True enough. I had missed the end where she linked to the guy's info, and that is absolutely done post-editing with the new knowledge. I think an additional edit explaining things at the end, as well as the what was done near the beginning, would have worked better, as well as eliminating the promo links. Personally, I did a quick look at the website, and pretty much clicked away almost immediately. The casual way all the merch was displayed really did bother me. It does appear to be much more promotional with all that, and I wonder if an edit and re-upload would be beneficial in this case. Honestly, remembering more of who this guy was is not doing my mind any favors, since I'm about the same age as him. Ugh.
@akidearest Ed Gein influenced much of the horror slasher movies from the 70's/80's and is worth a read since you like true crime. He was not just a cannibal, but would use human parts and skin to make furniture, wind chimes, lamp shades and clothes ect... They have some good documentaries online. Also Andrei Chikatilo was a really messed up serial killer that had a victim count in the low 50s. There was an made for HBO movie called "Citizen X" that is based off of his crimes and capture that is a decent movie, though if you read about the real events they are much worse than the movie shows. I really enjoy your true crime series because you manage to remain objective with the info, but still can show your disdain of these monsters.
I checked out the wiki for Chikatilo after reading this comment and holy effing shit I think I need a drink now.
my grandma was actually ed geins nurse when he was in a mental hospital
The cannibal cook book did make me think 'Mh, this guy is a bit nuts'
Off topic but the vaporeon plush on the floor in the background is adorable! 7:32
I love listening to you talk about this kinda stuff ❤️
Aki: Have you gain some kind of empathy?
Nico: No. You have to understand they are extremely manupulative.
YOU DON'T SAY.
I don’t have a sensitive stomach but man this whole thing turned my guts upside down. People are so scary.
As soon as you showed the picture of this guy, I was like, “Wait a minute… That’s the cannibal of France I saw some RUclipsrs having dinner with!” I watched that video and it was rather creepy. He has an awful lot of oddities in his collection that he’s collected over the years from serial killers and a ton of letters from ones he’s written to, including one of the Manson women! He served them raw mystery meat from a skull served with a spicy mustard from a skull serving dish and asked them weird questions… He was surprisingly nice, welcoming and charming otherwise, showed off his collection with pride… but it was creepy and i wouldn’t have gone there to a strange known cannibal’s house. Nope… The weirdest part is that he seems really nice and friendly, but when you know what he did, you kind of freak out.
15 years ago Gothic-punk me would have thought tht stuff was edgy but these days as an adult with little kids in my care, & having thawed my heart & experienced the magic of life.. all this just gives me a crazy feeling. Humanity is complex; terrible, beautiful and often a little lost. Its a reminder that people still do cling very much to these dimensions of experience even till relatively late in their lives.
"Some of us dig a little bit deeper"
In more than one way too.
About a year ago an Italian RUclipsr, Bugalalla, interviewed him and made a video about his life and crime
Looked up Nico's crimes while watching, he was known as "The Vampire of Paris". It does seem like there were serious mental health considerations at play according to court psychiatrists, but he still committed some wild criminal acts.
Him talking so casually and having the act of being "interested" makes me feel so eerie and gives a churn in my stomach...Stay safe Aki, always research before having an interview..!
Somehow I feel like Aki doesn't do enough research on the topics she discuss. I love true crime, which is why I still watched it and I like Aki but someone really has to proofcheck her research.
It feels kind of disappointing that she had a chance to talk to an actual killer/cannibal and criminal because of the position she's in but can't do a quick background check on the person she's interviewing.
This isn't the only time she's made errors while investigating (this is the second time she's made an error about this particular case). I hope she does due diligence next time to give more respect to the victims and people involved. I get it is for entertainment and I was entertained but still a little bit of care goes a long way.
Sorry, but she made the video before the article and stuff.
@@mischievous_ang3l But the video made by the RUclipsr she mentioned was a couple of years ago. Plus, Nico is easily searchable via the Internet. It's basic journalistic practice to do a background check on people you're going to interview.
As someone named Rene it sent chills down my body ever time her name was said 😭
I'm a long-time subscriber from the Netherlands, but I didn't knew about this case as it happened before I was born and for some reason most of the true crime stuff I find on RUclips covers either interesting foreign cultures like Japan or English speaking countries so I don't know a lot about non-English European cases.
Sam's here, I think I did hear of this case but I don't Remember
I also come from the Netherlands born and raised but thanks to my Dutch granny she has seen it on the news~ but her memory is vague because shes getting old but the name reminded her and was on tv news. That the info I have now my fellow Dutch people~
The fact you spoke with a cannibal without knowing makes my stomach turn
same..
Fantastic video Aki! And great interview. I am a big fan of true crime and this one has always been so interesting, knowing the way he got to go free and turn himself into a celebrity of curiosity.
I used to watch you when I was a child and I just found your channel again I’m still a huge fan ☺️❤️
i know its like 7 months old and all but still hoping Aki doing okay after this whole experience
0:03 is anyone gonna talk about how he gives the camera man the light skin stare?
Idk
Oh my gosh when you google the name of the guy… this just became an insight into another serial killer WTF 😮
The cut off before the interview scared the living shit outta me💀
6:09 LMAO IM SUPRISED THAT ONE OF JAKE WEBBER’S VIDEO WOULD TAKE PLACE IN A TYPE OF VIDEO LIKE THIS 😭
seriously one of the most enraging and infuriating cases ive ever heard of
Nico’s store is called “Serial Pleasures”. The only chance he wasn’t himself a killer/cannibal was if he hadn’t worked up the courage yet, as he clearly fetishizes this stuff. Not remotely surprised.
didn’t know who nicolas claux was and look into his case and wow that was disturbing
Same
I have a copy of that manga and it feels like he only made it to get people's reaction to what he did like he was proud of it
the way my jaw dropped when you said Nico was also a cannibal
Nick is just as guilty as the perpetrators and their crime by making money off the victim. Every Franc he makes should go to the victims families. You're just as despicable. I love how you contained yourself Aki while interviewing such a morbid person.
This is honestly so unnerving to watch, but so interesting. I'm sure Aki would have rather not know she was talking to a cannibal or else we wouldn't be able to see this type of content. i feel she would be so scared to even go through with it. How normal he is and how his eyes light up talking about different people who were cannibals. It gave me chills. Also...did his girlfriend know he was a cannibal? And Aki please be safe!
Just imagining if you did get back intouch with this guy again after this video.
"Why didn't you say you were also a cannibal??"
"Well, you never asked"
It reminds me of a cannibal Japanese manga I wanted to read online. The art was stunning and all but the guy (the one we all thought just liked animal meat) was actually a cannibal. It’s really nauseating how people think cannibalism is okay or cool.
The way you tell these stories makes them so much more interesting. It makes me excited to learn about all the different things in Japan (especially the true crime stuff)
after this video i made a little research about the guy you interviewed and im a little terrified ngl, you should actually make about him
I find the psychology behind cannibalism weirdly fascinating, but equally disturbing and frightening. The interview was really interesting.
I hope aki is okay i bet she feels terrified aswell
Aki talking to an cannibal about an cannibal is crazy
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It’s crazy that a killer cannibal is telling us that it’s okay to be fascinated with morbidity and you’re not a bad person for looking into it when that kind of thing is what lead him to do what he did. I feel weird now