I think this only has 500 views because it makes people ask very uncomfortable questions about them self and the expectations they have for their life. Underrated doesn’t even begin to describe.
This film is a transcendent experience. Nearly flawless in so many of its facets. Painful to watch, yet beyond compelling so that you cannot tear your eyes away from the events on screen.
“I think you have to believe in yourself enough to keep trying after you fail. You have to believe enough to allow yourself to fail when trying has become unhealthy.” My friend these might be the wisest words I’ve ever heard. Some of the best messages are those that are not easily understood when first heard but linger with you. One of the best interpretations of the film I’ve seen. Cheers.
This is so well edited! I knew the car crash was coming, but the way you mixed in Fletcher’s dialogue made it genuinely shocking. Definitely should have more views, and so I’m gonna sub!
During the dinner table scene, a line from Hamilton's musical played in my mind "what is a legacy?Its planting seeds in a garden you'll never get to see" I think one of the important reasons people end up in Sean Casey's tragic death can be described in that line. they put their whole entire life,years and years suffering so others would be pleased by the things they have done. I was thinking to myself that well yes of course this is wrong but what will be the right way?how am I supposed to find a way to not destroy my life in order to be remmberd. your answer at the end of the video was very helpful to find out,so thank you for this amazing video😁💚
I think this one does hit the nail on the head, a lot of analyses of this film focus solely on Fletcher's abuse but I really like the attention put on his dad in this one. I don't think people give enough credit to how damaging it is to have a parent that's neglectful of you in that way. Jim loves his son, but he doesn't respect him, he doesn't expect him to be capable of doing the things he dreams of doing, he discourages those dreams. On the other hand, Fletcher is harmful in an opposite way, one that demands that those achievements come at the cost of everything else. Good ending for Andrew would honestly be to get away from them both for a few years and get his ass to a therapist.
Incredible! I watch film analysis regularly, and this is one of the best I've ever seen of any film. Easily in my top 5 film analyses ever, even though I don't really agree with a few of the points presented. But perhaps *because* of that, it has really broadened my perspective on both Fletcher and Andrew. Thank you for having taken the time to make it!
Rendra Aldinol FINALLY some recognition on my THPS skills! I have been kicking around an idea for DMC's scoring system (in lieu of the DMC5 announcement). I've never played the games, but I've had an itch to get an emulator up and running for at least one of them.
I'd marry THPS2 if I can back then.. still play THPS3 to this day alongside other stress relieving arcade-ish games like the new doom, DMC, or some Housemarque stuff. I think just to see where all of this specific genre started (not sure if its a genre but you kniow what I mean, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaien, MGR Revengeance..) go for DMC1 first, then go have fun with 3(skip 2, just watch the cutscene maybe), do 4, and maybe play DmC from ninja theory if you got nothing else to play.
Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match. I felt absolutely devastated. I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own tr@uma. It’s because of this tr@uma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris Stuckmann can praise a work like this, and because I fail to understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast. Sometimes I feel like all the critics are begging me to see it else I’m missing out on something great; the performance of a lifetime. Is it okay to feel deathly afraid of a film such as this?
Yes, it is. I'm grateful for the tomato score as a guide to avoid a lot of garbage, but it's an individual responsibility to determine what kind of movie is for you. I've loved movies that other people hated, and we'd cite the same reasons as the source of our passion. I've hated movies that other people loved, and it usually comes down to my distaste or disagreement with the precise thing those people love. That's not two groups seeing two very different things, it's two groups that just want different things. You're allowed to want something different from movies than Stuckmann. You're allowed to be turned off by the very thing that gets me excited about Whiplash. Lots of movies have great performances that won't force you to relieve an awful time in your life.
Fletcher's obsession with Charlie Parker is also flawed imo, like he takes this one incident that could've either led to injury or more likely someone giving up and spins it into the formula for success. And as you point out, it's not like Parker led a great life afterwards either.
Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
This is profound and incredibly thoughtful. This is by far the best video essay on Whiplash and I am fairly convinced I have viewed them all on YT. I used this video as a guide for my film and philosophy class and wrote the following in response/conjunction with what you so brilliantly laid out. I thought I would share. Orange Lightning: ruclips.net/video/dwIjnppSHTo/видео.html In response to Whiplash- Whatever it Takes The harder you try, the more likely you are to succeed The harder you try, the more painful your failure Why? Why is failure more painful if you put more time and effort into something? If you want to succeed, you have to put yourself at risk for a humiliating defeat. But what is success? What does success actually mean? Andrew chooses to not have friends as he views them as a hindrance to his success. Social connection is a proven factor towards being more happy. Are success and happiness at odds with one another? Is the only way to achieve success to sacrifice happiness? Is success itself a means to happiness? Is failure final? Is anything final? “Fletcher’s approval gives him confidence.” What is confidence rooted in? Other’s approval? Or is confidence inherent? “If weakness isn’t something that you can kill, then you are weakness.” “And everyone has weakness.” Is this true? That if you cannot overcome a certain flawed nuance of your personality, then your entire personality is flawed? How do people like Fletcher exploit weakness to make their victims feel like they are fundamentally and entirely flawed? We all have weaknesses, are we all flawed? If we are all flawed, how do we transcend our flaws so that they do not become the cornerstone of our identities? “If you don’t care about this, then none of this will bother you.” Can you care and still not be bothered? Are caring and being bothered intertwined? When does caring become detrimental? “You dare to invest yourself into something and even though you tried, it wasn’t enough. This is why people quit. This is why people don’t try in the first place.” If Andrew is to try, then he must do so with the expectation that nothing is to come of it.” Is it better to try and fail, then to not try at all? Why is it important to not get mired in expectation when you try something? Is giving your full effort enough, even if you have failed? Sean Casey: Is the abuse worth the outcome? In Sean’s case? In Andrew’s case? Machiavelli: "It is better to be feared than to be loved, if one cannot be both." Is it better (more effective) to be feared or loved (if one cannot be both)? Can one be both? Was Fletcher feared? Loved? The line appears in The Prince, a harsh and brilliant treatise authored by fallen political leader Machiavelli after imprisonment and torture by Medici rulers for suspicion of conspiracy led him to retreat in bitterness to the countryside in 1513. However, what Machiavelli actually advised in Chapter XVII was that it is best to be both loved and feared. Only when that ideal is not possible, such as when gratitude dissolves during threats to survival, did Machiavelli suggest fear is a more reliable way to inspire discipline than bonds of love. Andrew’s dad’s outlook: If you don’t believe in yourself, why try? Can trying strengthen belief? Does belief always exist before the effort? In regards to his dad’s Lincoln Center comment, we are more likely to be dismissive of those who do not “get it.” Why try to convince someone who will never get it? He is willing to endure Fletcher’s abuse, because no one understands his drive better than Fletcher. Is it better to be mistreated emotionally yet understood or supported emotionally yet misunderstood? What is more genuinely comforting? “Andrew tried. He compromised nothing in his pursuit to be the best drummer he could possibly be. And he failed. All of this was for nothing.” Is the process more valuable or the outcome? Why does he throw all of his belongings in the garbage? Was he trying to erase his failures by removing them? Is it better to embrace your failures than to pretend they never happened? What can we learn from our failures? “I was there to push people beyond what is expected of them. I believe that is an absolute necessity.” Why is it necessary to push someone beyond what is expected of them? Is it someone else's responsibility to push others out of their comfort zones? Is it your responsibility to push others when you can? How can you push someone without rupturing relationships? Is it possible to push someone who is on equal footing with you or is it only possible when there is a power dynamic at play? Can you think of an example? “When you lack expectations for yourself, it’s easy to live a life in which you are content.” Is this true? Can you still reach contentment and have stringent expectations for yourself? How? “If you want to be happy, lower your expectations.” Is the goal to be happy or to be productive? By sacrificing one’s own happiness for greatness, do they then influence their followers’ happiness through their work? Happiness fuels productivity and the greater good. Can one still have high expectations and be happy? Isn’t our reaction to setbacks what dictates our outlook and mood? “You don’t stumble into greatness, you give up everything for it.” Those that are ‘great’ are often flawed human beings when it comes to ethics and morality. Having a family, balance, fun, hobbies, isn’t that all subjective depending on the person? Isn’t someone’s idea of ‘everything’ different from the next person? “There are no two words in the English language more harmful than good job.” What is meant by this? Is this true? How can you still inspire and motivate someone without cutting them down or making them feel worthless? Should you only compliment someone when it is deserved? Are you better off having strangers talk about you at a dinner table then you would be knowing the people you are having dinner with? “You don’t get to be happy or successful without trying.” Is this true? Is a life without expectations, without effort worth pursuing? Why or why not? “Maybe that’s comfortable, but it also comes without hope.” Is it better to struggle but have hope or to be comfortable but lack true ambition? Is there a middle ground? Did Andrew put himself through torture for his own benefit or did he do it for Fletcher’s approval? Is achieving greatness for the benefit of others or for your own? Are others’ validations required in order to achieve greatness? Andrew’s success at the end is for himself. It’s the first time he is playing for himself, not for Fletcher’s approval. You can inspire others through your actions, but ultimately, your success is reliant on your own intrinsic motivation. Fear and insecurity are strong motivators but will never be as strong as Belief in oneself. When you fail, redefine success. It’s not about his career, or Fletcher’s approval, it’s about that moment, the one moment where he can achieve his version of perfection by giving the best performance he possibly can. “The greatest humiliation is redefined as not trying in the first place.” “You have to believe in yourself to keep trying even after you fail. And you have to believe enough to allow yourself to fail when the circumstances have made trying unhealthy.”
I haven’t finished the video BUT, the tittle Whiplash means something more than a peice. Whiplash is the consequence of a gain, a rise of speed, should you slow down to avoid the whiplash?
I think this only has 500 views because it makes people ask very uncomfortable questions about them self and the expectations they have for their life. Underrated doesn’t even begin to describe.
Sitting at 22k now
Sometimes Things take time
This has got to be one of the most inspiring video essays I have ever saw in my entire life, thank you for making this video man!
Thank-you for watching!
@@OrangeLightnings amazing man.
Highly agree
all you said can be summarized as: "no pain, no gain, but don't get yourself injured".
This is by far the deepest explanation of whiplash. You gave justice to this masterpiece -- great work.
This film is a transcendent experience. Nearly flawless in so many of its facets. Painful to watch, yet beyond compelling so that you cannot tear your eyes away from the events on screen.
I've ran through at least four different video essays on Whiplash, and this is a gem, mate.
“I think you have to believe in yourself enough to keep trying after you fail.
You have to believe enough to allow yourself to fail when trying has become unhealthy.”
My friend these might be the wisest words I’ve ever heard. Some of the best messages are those that are not easily understood when first heard but linger with you. One of the best interpretations of the film I’ve seen. Cheers.
this was probably one of the most if not THE most spot on analysis i’ve seen of this film. raw and true
This is so well edited! I knew the car crash was coming, but the way you mixed in Fletcher’s dialogue made it genuinely shocking. Definitely should have more views, and so I’m gonna sub!
During the dinner table scene, a line from Hamilton's musical played in my mind "what is a legacy?Its planting seeds in a garden you'll never get to see"
I think one of the important reasons people end up in Sean Casey's tragic death can be described in that line.
they put their whole entire life,years and years suffering so others would be pleased by the things they have done.
I was thinking to myself that well yes of course this is wrong but what will be the right way?how am I supposed to find a way to not destroy my life in order to be remmberd.
your answer at the end of the video was very helpful to find out,so thank you for this amazing video😁💚
This is a fantastic, extremely underrated commentary. A great message to take from this incredible film. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
why this god video ain't popular?? Omg.
You "earned" subscriber sir
This video has made me feel ways no other video ever has
I think this one does hit the nail on the head, a lot of analyses of this film focus solely on Fletcher's abuse but I really like the attention put on his dad in this one. I don't think people give enough credit to how damaging it is to have a parent that's neglectful of you in that way. Jim loves his son, but he doesn't respect him, he doesn't expect him to be capable of doing the things he dreams of doing, he discourages those dreams. On the other hand, Fletcher is harmful in an opposite way, one that demands that those achievements come at the cost of everything else. Good ending for Andrew would honestly be to get away from them both for a few years and get his ass to a therapist.
Incredible! I watch film analysis regularly, and this is one of the best I've ever seen of any film. Easily in my top 5 film analyses ever, even though I don't really agree with a few of the points presented. But perhaps *because* of that, it has really broadened my perspective on both Fletcher and Andrew. Thank you for having taken the time to make it!
why was your channel not up there yet? great collection of video essay man! love it. also make more of THPS and DMC :P
Rendra Aldinol FINALLY some recognition on my THPS skills!
I have been kicking around an idea for DMC's scoring system (in lieu of the DMC5 announcement). I've never played the games, but I've had an itch to get an emulator up and running for at least one of them.
I'd marry THPS2 if I can back then..
still play THPS3 to this day alongside other stress relieving arcade-ish games like the new doom, DMC, or some Housemarque stuff.
I think just to see where all of this specific genre started (not sure if its a genre but you kniow what I mean, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaien, MGR Revengeance..) go for DMC1 first, then go have fun with 3(skip 2, just watch the cutscene maybe), do 4, and maybe play DmC from ninja theory if you got nothing else to play.
Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match. I felt absolutely devastated.
I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own tr@uma. It’s because of this tr@uma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris Stuckmann can praise a work like this, and because I fail to understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast. Sometimes I feel like all the critics are begging me to see it else I’m missing out on something great; the performance of a lifetime. Is it okay to feel deathly afraid of a film such as this?
Yes, it is. I'm grateful for the tomato score as a guide to avoid a lot of garbage, but it's an individual responsibility to determine what kind of movie is for you.
I've loved movies that other people hated, and we'd cite the same reasons as the source of our passion. I've hated movies that other people loved, and it usually comes down to my distaste or disagreement with the precise thing those people love. That's not two groups seeing two very different things, it's two groups that just want different things.
You're allowed to want something different from movies than Stuckmann. You're allowed to be turned off by the very thing that gets me excited about Whiplash.
Lots of movies have great performances that won't force you to relieve an awful time in your life.
This is so good man. I love how you put this.
this was a beautiful video essay
Im currently studying to win state at an academic competition for my second year in a row, and this was exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you
Amazing video man. Keep at it!
This video has made my day... Thanks 🙏
Fletcher's obsession with Charlie Parker is also flawed imo, like he takes this one incident that could've either led to injury or more likely someone giving up and spins it into the formula for success. And as you point out, it's not like Parker led a great life afterwards either.
Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Thanks for another interesting video!
You are welcome, it was a very late night!
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This is a beautiful video
This is profound and incredibly thoughtful. This is by far the best video essay on Whiplash and I am fairly convinced I have viewed them all on YT. I used this video as a guide for my film and philosophy class and wrote the following in response/conjunction with what you so brilliantly laid out. I thought I would share.
Orange Lightning: ruclips.net/video/dwIjnppSHTo/видео.html
In response to Whiplash- Whatever it Takes
The harder you try, the more likely you are to succeed
The harder you try, the more painful your failure
Why? Why is failure more painful if you put more time and effort into something?
If you want to succeed, you have to put yourself at risk for a humiliating defeat.
But what is success? What does success actually mean?
Andrew chooses to not have friends as he views them as a hindrance to his success. Social connection is a proven factor towards being more happy. Are success and happiness at odds with one another? Is the only way to achieve success to sacrifice happiness? Is success itself a means to happiness?
Is failure final? Is anything final?
“Fletcher’s approval gives him confidence.”
What is confidence rooted in? Other’s approval? Or is confidence inherent?
“If weakness isn’t something that you can kill, then you are weakness.” “And everyone has weakness.”
Is this true? That if you cannot overcome a certain flawed nuance of your personality, then your entire personality is flawed? How do people like Fletcher exploit weakness to make their victims feel like they are fundamentally and entirely flawed? We all have weaknesses, are we all flawed? If we are all flawed, how do we transcend our flaws so that they do not become the cornerstone of our identities?
“If you don’t care about this, then none of this will bother you.” Can you care and still not be bothered? Are caring and being bothered intertwined? When does caring become detrimental?
“You dare to invest yourself into something and even though you tried, it wasn’t enough. This is why people quit. This is why people don’t try in the first place.” If Andrew is to try, then he must do so with the expectation that nothing is to come of it.” Is it better to try and fail, then to not try at all? Why is it important to not get mired in expectation when you try something? Is giving your full effort enough, even if you have failed?
Sean Casey: Is the abuse worth the outcome? In Sean’s case? In Andrew’s case?
Machiavelli: "It is better to be feared than to be loved, if one cannot be both."
Is it better (more effective) to be feared or loved (if one cannot be both)? Can one be both? Was Fletcher feared? Loved?
The line appears in The Prince, a harsh and brilliant treatise authored by fallen political leader Machiavelli after imprisonment and torture by Medici rulers for suspicion of conspiracy led him to retreat in bitterness to the countryside in 1513. However, what Machiavelli actually advised in Chapter XVII was that it is best to be both loved and feared. Only when that ideal is not possible, such as when gratitude dissolves during threats to survival, did Machiavelli suggest fear is a more reliable way to inspire discipline than bonds of love.
Andrew’s dad’s outlook: If you don’t believe in yourself, why try? Can trying strengthen belief? Does belief always exist before the effort?
In regards to his dad’s Lincoln Center comment, we are more likely to be dismissive of those who do not “get it.” Why try to convince someone who will never get it? He is willing to endure Fletcher’s abuse, because no one understands his drive better than Fletcher. Is it better to be mistreated emotionally yet understood or supported emotionally yet misunderstood? What is more genuinely comforting?
“Andrew tried. He compromised nothing in his pursuit to be the best drummer he could possibly be. And he failed. All of this was for nothing.” Is the process more valuable or the outcome?
Why does he throw all of his belongings in the garbage? Was he trying to erase his failures by removing them? Is it better to embrace your failures than to pretend they never happened? What can we learn from our failures?
“I was there to push people beyond what is expected of them. I believe that is an absolute necessity.”
Why is it necessary to push someone beyond what is expected of them? Is it someone else's responsibility to push others out of their comfort zones? Is it your responsibility to push others when you can? How can you push someone without rupturing relationships? Is it possible to push someone who is on equal footing with you or is it only possible when there is a power dynamic at play? Can you think of an example?
“When you lack expectations for yourself, it’s easy to live a life in which you are content.”
Is this true? Can you still reach contentment and have stringent expectations for yourself? How?
“If you want to be happy, lower your expectations.”
Is the goal to be happy or to be productive? By sacrificing one’s own happiness for greatness, do they then influence their followers’ happiness through their work? Happiness fuels productivity and the greater good. Can one still have high expectations and be happy? Isn’t our reaction to setbacks what dictates our outlook and mood?
“You don’t stumble into greatness, you give up everything for it.” Those that are ‘great’ are often flawed human beings when it comes to ethics and morality. Having a family, balance, fun, hobbies, isn’t that all subjective depending on the person? Isn’t someone’s idea of ‘everything’ different from the next person?
“There are no two words in the English language more harmful than good job.” What is meant by this? Is this true? How can you still inspire and motivate someone without cutting them down or making them feel worthless? Should you only compliment someone when it is deserved?
Are you better off having strangers talk about you at a dinner table then you would be knowing the people you are having dinner with?
“You don’t get to be happy or successful without trying.” Is this true? Is a life without expectations, without effort worth pursuing? Why or why not?
“Maybe that’s comfortable, but it also comes without hope.” Is it better to struggle but have hope or to be comfortable but lack true ambition? Is there a middle ground?
Did Andrew put himself through torture for his own benefit or did he do it for Fletcher’s approval? Is achieving greatness for the benefit of others or for your own? Are others’ validations required in order to achieve greatness?
Andrew’s success at the end is for himself. It’s the first time he is playing for himself, not for Fletcher’s approval. You can inspire others through your actions, but ultimately, your success is reliant on your own intrinsic motivation.
Fear and insecurity are strong motivators but will never be as strong as Belief in oneself.
When you fail, redefine success. It’s not about his career, or Fletcher’s approval, it’s about that moment, the one moment where he can achieve his version of perfection by giving the best performance he possibly can.
“The greatest humiliation is redefined as not trying in the first place.”
“You have to believe in yourself to keep trying even after you fail. And you have to believe enough to allow yourself to fail when the circumstances have made trying unhealthy.”
nice vid thanks for making and sharing
Thanks! And thanks for watching my less viewed stuff :)
"Good Job" mate..😉😁
The two most harmful words in the English language.
Keep up the good work on your videos!
Any update on a new video? Much love, all the best!
Be decent in multiple aspects of your life or be great in one aspect.
awesome video
I haven’t finished the video BUT, the tittle Whiplash means something more than a peice. Whiplash is the consequence of a gain, a rise of speed, should you slow down to avoid the whiplash?
relatable
Exactly
W video
what’s the sad piano music that plays in the background? video was amazing btw
Gotta be this one -
ruclips.net/video/n0kxXjg7W3Q/видео.html
@@OrangeLightnings Thank you😃
real
This is two men taking them out and measuring them. I am unimpressed.
Keep up the good work on your videos!