Tesla Model Y: Performance vs Long Range HONEST Review

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  • Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
  • Hi Friends! Welcome back to the channel, here is my honest review of deciding which one to buy: Model Y Performance or Model Y Long Range. I will be going over the good, bad and the ugly of the Performance and help you decide from a Long Range Owner's perspective.
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    0:00 - What's to come
    0:15 - Price/Stats
    1:14 - Exterior Differences
    4:39 - Interior Differences
    5:48 - Performance Model Cons
    6:53 - Testing Performance
    10:08 - Suspension
    11:46 - Winner?
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  • @astateoftech
    @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +7

    Check out MUST HAVE Tesla Model Y accessories in my description.
    Also, let me know if you would get the Long Range or the Performance and Why?
    (To my Canadians - Model Y Performance is even cheaper since MAKING this video…now it’s $69,990)

    • @QuickmixProductions
      @QuickmixProductions 4 месяца назад

      Performance (21 Wheels and Power)

    • @t.d.5804
      @t.d.5804 4 месяца назад

      Had 3 M3P (2019-2021-2022), they got slower over time due to less grip of the std tires and the LG battery (EU model), top speed is reduced after 1-2min (going 155mph is legal here on certain roads), power loss below 60% SoC and no power below 30%. Nice power, but the P isnt worth it. Had a 2022 MY LR with the LG and switched now to the Y SR 2023 with BYD blade battery. Same range and better charging than the LR (with the LG battery, we dont get 4680 or Panasonic here), better ride comfort. Much cheaper than the LR and does the same, except power and AWD. LR has no real additional range

  • @MrTierhog774
    @MrTierhog774 Месяц назад +7

    As a new Tesla owner who tried both before settling on the MYLR 2024, both are nice. The performance is faster. Never really used the brakes with REGEN. I like the better ride, raised position, and thicker sidewalls for the urban day to day grind and occasional country roads. Easier and cheaper tires, non staggered setup, longer range, and lower insurance. Now both come with the headlight upgrade too. Ill admit im over 50. To each his own. I like them both.

  • @phxazcraig
    @phxazcraig 4 месяца назад +17

    The performance model went to 'comfort suspension' last year about the time hardware 4 showed up. I picked mine up in August 2023, and it's been pretty comfortable.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Awesome! Glad you are not finding the suspension too stiff

  • @twiggyzappa
    @twiggyzappa 4 месяца назад +24

    I'm honestly ecstatic that I went with a performance over the long range! The sacrificed range isn't an issue at all! Excellent review, as usual, thank you!

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +1

      Awesome! I’m actually sad I didn’t end up going with the performance - let’s see if I will swap it out.
      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video, spent extra time editing this one 🙏🏼

    • @ezumach
      @ezumach 2 месяца назад +1

      I went with the performance also. Picking it up Monday. I can’t wait. They look so cool.

  • @Jensen_C5
    @Jensen_C5 4 месяца назад +38

    We rented a 2022 performance We didn’t like the ride quality but then we bought a 2024 long range it rides much better and we love it

    • @whyworkwhenicanrap6830
      @whyworkwhenicanrap6830 3 месяца назад +5

      The 2024 performance will be great

    • @smrochin
      @smrochin 2 месяца назад +2

      Wheels+tires make a huge difference

    • @kurt44ko
      @kurt44ko 2 месяца назад +4

      I believe they upgraded the suspension for all trims 2023 and on

  • @spacemanspiff9773
    @spacemanspiff9773 4 месяца назад +15

    Deciding between the two, by the time I add the optional 20” induction wheels and spoiler, it would cost about the same but without other unique features of the Performance. So I bought a Performance in December WITH a $2,500 inventory reduction discount! So happy with my choice.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +1

      Good choice! I actually wish I got the performance instead since the difference is noticeable. But I when I bought LR there was a HUGE price difference between the 2.

    • @SurgicalNinja
      @SurgicalNinja 3 месяца назад

      You didnt get the 7500 federal tax discount?

    • @spacemanspiff9773
      @spacemanspiff9773 3 месяца назад

      @@SurgicalNinja my accountant is doing my taxes now…

  • @nolimitdaniell
    @nolimitdaniell 4 месяца назад +25

    Picking up my performance tomorrow
    So excited!!

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +2

      Amazing - Congrats!! Make sure to warn your passengers before flooring it haha

    • @pokeroohardo6539
      @pokeroohardo6539 4 месяца назад

      I tried one at the Oshawa mall yesterday , it moves!! Almost need a jet suit 🤣🤣

    • @mattl7967
      @mattl7967 4 месяца назад

      How long did it take between order and delivery?

    • @nolimitdaniell
      @nolimitdaniell 4 месяца назад

      @@mattl7967 my local Tesla had one available for pick up I kept looking through inventory

  • @anthonygarcia507
    @anthonygarcia507 3 месяца назад +1

    Just ordered my MYP! Thanks for this review :)

  • @kronosacer
    @kronosacer 4 месяца назад +3

    thanks for this great review mate

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂

  • @Infinity6180
    @Infinity6180 2 месяца назад

    In UK it clearly says the Brembo Brakes are included, or did it say uprated breaks ? I'll check again

  • @STREETFIGHTER50
    @STREETFIGHTER50 14 дней назад

    Thanks for the video! I’m still on the fence between the MYP & MYLR. Gotta pull the trigger soon

  • @te0bald
    @te0bald 6 дней назад

    Thanx for the video! We just ordered a Tesla Model Y Performance in the quicksilver paint

  • @robp3431
    @robp3431 4 месяца назад +1

    I keep checking local inventory (200 mile-range S.FL), and it's been some time since I've seen a Performance available....not sure Y, just an observation. Either way, I'm holding out for the re-fresh....need the ventilated seats when you live under the heat dome.

  • @irfansbandukda
    @irfansbandukda 4 месяца назад +1

    great analysis.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Thanks - glad you found it useful 👌🏼

  • @lawrencefitzgerald
    @lawrencefitzgerald 19 дней назад +2

    ride quality really suffers w performance, I saved $$ on wheels and I just got the new Quicksilver LR with black Gemini's instead......0.99% financing was enticing

  • @TheWildwoodPicker
    @TheWildwoodPicker Месяц назад +1

    This is a great video thanks for sharing. I'm an older guy in my mid 50's and all that speed is not really necessary for me at this point in my life. Maybe if I was in my 20's-30's I would be all in on Performance, but the Long Range seems sufficient enough for my needs. I'm not even thinking of Environmental aspects of owning an Electric Vehicle; that is the last thing on my mind... I'm all about getting rid of a $350.00 per month Gas Expense, a $400.00 per year Oil Change Expense, along with any other Expense an ICE car can give me (I.E. New Exhaust System, Transmission Work etc etc). The big takeaway for me was the Rotating of the tires. I want to make my tires last longer, so I don't have to keep buying four new tires all the time. I do wish the headlights were the same Matrix Headlamps. That's a bummer.

  • @craigshotton3027
    @craigshotton3027 2 месяца назад +2

    We bought the LR last fall here in BC and qualified for $9000 in rebates. The Performance model did not.....that combined with the cost difference was huge!

  • @SANTIAGOSANCHEZ-yw3pd
    @SANTIAGOSANCHEZ-yw3pd 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks I’m still trying to decide which model to get

    • @jefferrrson1x
      @jefferrrson1x 2 месяца назад +1

      Long range also had matrix headlights. Go with LR! I did.

  • @mcguireoutdoors5187
    @mcguireoutdoors5187 Месяц назад +1

    Ordered my ‘24 performance yesterday. Taking delivery on Monday. Can’t wait, first EV.

  • @MrJammor
    @MrJammor 23 дня назад +2

    I picked up my new performance Y yesterday In Alpharetta GA. $7500 off at signing, .99% interest. I cannot tell you if the perf is better but now is the time to buy due to incentives- unless you must wait for the '25 Y Juniper. TY for the review

  • @Woz443
    @Woz443 4 месяца назад +1

    I enjoyed the 0-60 acceleration 😮 Crazy to see how the takeoff looks both inside and outside the car

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      3.5 secs is really quickkk 😅

  • @Innovate22
    @Innovate22 Месяц назад

    Tesla changed its EPA range estimates (in the US) to 310 miles for the MYLR, 279 miles for the MYP and 260 miles for the MYRW.
    Would you continue to recommend the MYP given the massive range downgrade?

  • @eduardogonzalezpozega8999
    @eduardogonzalezpozega8999 4 месяца назад +1

    Especially if you are able to grab an inventory discounted MYP! I got mine last September with a $4200 discount and I’m so glad I did! I would recommend you do a side by side test drive because I was certain I should get the LR based on the comments online about the suspension, but after test driving them side by side I actually found the suspension in the performance better. The Long Range felt a lot more wobbly and you lost control taking curves. Just get the performance!

    • @peanutbutterjellybeans1336
      @peanutbutterjellybeans1336 3 месяца назад +1

      Have fun changing tires 😉 MYP tires can’t be rotated and thinner. You’ll be changing tires every ~15k miles IF you drive like a grandma.

  • @pokeroohardo6539
    @pokeroohardo6539 4 месяца назад +1

    Decent review, but, what’s its like in the winter? Are you in a rear or all wheel drive?? Your light was flickering? Did they fix it? What’s the warranty like? What in the car is steel compared to aluminum cause I’m concerned about rust? Tell us please 😃😃

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +2

      That’s a lot of questions haha…the light is not flickering in real life, that’s just how the camera captures it. Performance only comes in AWD. 👌🏼

    • @pokeroohardo6539
      @pokeroohardo6539 4 месяца назад

      @@astateoftechdo youuuu have an inside scoop on any more discounts that they may offer at the coming car show?? Wondering if I should wait till then lol

  • @jouan1
    @jouan1 23 дня назад

    Do you have a link or suggestion as to where to purchase the 19" induction wheel covers to replace the Gemini?

    • @jouan1
      @jouan1 23 дня назад

      magbak, cool

  • @jefferrrson1x
    @jefferrrson1x 2 месяца назад +1

    Model Y LR has matrix headlights too. Not just on performance.

  • @dnaifs
    @dnaifs 4 месяца назад +2

    Long range a tad smoother and better in bumps you can tell the difference really only on bjmps

  • @ctuna2011
    @ctuna2011 3 месяца назад

    my long ranger has matrix headlights and it's a march 2023 build, out of Fremont .

  • @karl711
    @karl711 Месяц назад +3

    Cream interior for Performance would make it all worth it

  • @AdrianO.
    @AdrianO. 2 месяца назад +1

    Where I am the performance model is only $1,000 more than the long range. Any reason not to? Are tires changed that much more frequently?

  • @dagadagad
    @dagadagad Месяц назад +2

    Long range with 20 inches is a bad deal. Either long range with 19 inches for comfort and range, or perf with 21 inches (no other option) for harsh ride but performance.

    • @victorvek5227
      @victorvek5227 Месяц назад +2

      And then the side quest (and money) of buying separate wheels / tires for winter for the performance.

  • @SciolismHD
    @SciolismHD 4 месяца назад +1

    I don’t see the performance boost option for the long range when I try building one on the site

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      You will see the acceleration boost in your Tesla app after you buy the LR as an upgrade to purchase.

    • @SciolismHD
      @SciolismHD 4 месяца назад

      @@astateoftech wth that’s crazy cool so it just updates the software to be faster? 🤣 my car got totaled early January and I’m just debating if I should get the long range or wait for the performance? Do you consider the LR with performance boost somewhat fast?

  • @Sanerc85
    @Sanerc85 4 месяца назад +1

    Woahhhh that's pretty cool - smoothe like butter you put on a ribeye😉

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Haha if it’s not smooth as butter, I don’t want it! 🧈

  • @eddie999
    @eddie999 4 месяца назад +3

    Just to add a note, if you paid $2,000 for a boost on your MYLR, than the difference between that car and MYP is not $4,000, but actually $2,000 which makes the argument even stronger for choosing the Performance trim.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +1

      True but you can also get it for free with one Tesla Referral 🙂. But ya if you aren’t able to, for sure the argument gets stronger!

    • @michaellarsen3601
      @michaellarsen3601 3 месяца назад

      I really don’t think anyone paid for acceleration boost with money.

    • @eddie999
      @eddie999 3 месяца назад

      @@michaellarsen3601 in this video, it is specifically stated that $2,000 was paid for the boost around the one minute mark. Although it wasn't on the test model but on another MYLR in a previous video.

    • @muhanadkais
      @muhanadkais 3 месяца назад +1

      It’s true but the MYP performance eats tires much faster with no way to rotate them. Insurance and registration are more expensive but I still love my MYP.

  • @ratukamina
    @ratukamina 2 месяца назад

    I went with the Performance model end of November 2023 after I got a total of nearly 5K off MSRP for an inventory model at a nearby Tesla location. I've recently removed the 21" ubberturbine wheels and installed 18" T Sportline wheels with 235/55r18 Sailun EV range tires. After a recent trip from Sacramento to San Francisco and back driving mostly at 70-74 mph the Tesla energy app indicated 270 wh/mi at the end of the trip. Stock wheels and tires always kept that number well above 300. Car just glides over smaller road imperfections with the 55 wall tires. Got me wondering what kind of range I'll get had I opted for 225/60r18s.

  • @ChevyTaripe
    @ChevyTaripe 3 месяца назад +1

    you forgot to mention the track mode which is exclusive to the performance model.

    • @jameswann4327
      @jameswann4327 3 месяца назад +1

      This. With track mode you can disable Regenerative braking and drive it like an ICE car

  • @3stanproduction
    @3stanproduction 19 дней назад

    Nice. Made me get the performance 😊

  • @mowcowbell
    @mowcowbell Месяц назад +1

    I see the MYP comes with curb rash on the wheels as a standard option. :) I bought a '24 Long Range 19" Gemini wheels, put turbine black wheel covers on it. All it needs is a $100 spoiler and you won't be able to tell much difference between it and a MYP.

    • @brucebass9672
      @brucebass9672 18 дней назад

      I thought the same thing. But people can tell. One is sexy as heck, the other is trying to be.

  • @hrhkee
    @hrhkee 2 месяца назад

    Totally agree

  • @mocheen4837
    @mocheen4837 4 месяца назад +2

    I have a Model 3 Performance and my wife just picked up a Model Y Performance.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Woww! A couple of thrill seekers out here haha

  • @Dark_Vader888
    @Dark_Vader888 3 месяца назад +3

    Doesnt Performance have Track mode?

  • @BlazingsNL
    @BlazingsNL 4 месяца назад

    I hate that the uber turbine rims aren't mirrored. Can't unsee it.
    For me the LR is best of both worlds (if you add the RWD in the mix). The bigger tires provide more driving comfort and are a lot less expensive to replace. Also the performance is 6k more where I live. Here's to hoping the Juniper is going to have the new LFP batteries instead of the 2170.

  • @xirozar
    @xirozar 4 месяца назад +3

    Apparently newer MYLR have matrix?

  • @VR6NAVYVW
    @VR6NAVYVW 15 дней назад

    You can rotate tires by swaping the them off the rims and rebalancing. Cost is $60-70 depending where you go.

  • @peanutbutterjellybeans1336
    @peanutbutterjellybeans1336 3 месяца назад +3

    The performance model acceleration is a fun trick but I hate changing tires that costs roughly $1.3k twice a year. No thanks. If you want to burn cash then go ahead.

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt 3 месяца назад

      Why do they need to be changed twice a year?

    • @tombeardy4833
      @tombeardy4833 24 дня назад

      How the hell do you burn tyres that fast?

  • @michaelrobbins5091
    @michaelrobbins5091 Месяц назад

    Thanks for the spoiler alert 🤣 3:30

  • @carlcrosland559
    @carlcrosland559 21 день назад

    Just took delivery of the long range for the 7 seat configuration to haul the kids. Probably would have gone performance if it had the 7 seat option. However we are loving the long range! Ride quality is much better than my 2020 performance model 3.

  • @troyehnisz9907
    @troyehnisz9907 6 дней назад

    I had the performance 3 the tires were awful blow the sidewalls out all the time and they scratched so easy. i never used the brakes.eventually I traded it for the y long range with acceleration boost and the range and the ride quality is so much better.i never liked the chrome decals I always removed those

  • @andrerodriguez7603
    @andrerodriguez7603 4 месяца назад +2

    I just bought a new mid year on 2023 Model Y AWD long range with the 20” induction wheels. It’s a Fremont build that has the Matrix lights. The Austin build has the older lights. 😊

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Ahh cool - interesting, didn’t know it varied by where it’s built👌🏼

    • @MrTierhog774
      @MrTierhog774 Месяц назад +1

      Doesn't anymore.. Texas build here. ​@@astateoftech

  • @Zenitup
    @Zenitup 4 месяца назад +1

    My prediction this channel will be at 50K by this year 😌. Amazinggg video 👏🏻

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Let’s make it happen 🚀

    • @pokeroohardo6539
      @pokeroohardo6539 4 месяца назад

      I’m surprised for a Canadian, he popped up first when I searched reviews for this model. Just not sure why he does his research in USd when he’s Canadian.

  • @TheMauricio3193
    @TheMauricio3193 4 месяца назад +3

    Can you use the acceleration boost on the performance ?

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Sadly no. But could you imagine the acceleration…

    • @mocheen4837
      @mocheen4837 4 месяца назад +1

      That would be awesome if you could.

  • @rob5oh
    @rob5oh 4 месяца назад

    I went with the LR, pick up tomorrow 2/4/24. No discount on the P and LR was $4,900. Would have been a $8,700 difference between lr and p for me. If no discount on lr or $4,900 discount on the p, I would have went p, but $8,700 was too much for me. Nice comparison!

    • @rob5oh
      @rob5oh 4 месяца назад

      And get 10,000 points for my second Tesla purchase and will be getting the acceleration boost.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Congrats!! 🎉 yes, good point with just one referral you get the AB for free.

  • @reviewed3498
    @reviewed3498 25 дней назад

    If you are going to upgrade to the 20" wheels on a LR, it makes no sense to not get the Performance version as it's only a $1k difference.

  • @jw6451
    @jw6451 3 месяца назад

    the suspension review is kinda useless if the entire portion of the test was done on a bunch of wide flat roads with close to zero bumps or imperfections. if you guys don't notice the difference between firmer suspension and going from 19" to 21" wheels.... then there may be an issue with your senses? try the same test, on a less well maintained road, back to back with the LR

  • @ezumach
    @ezumach 2 месяца назад +1

    I just bought a performance model Y. I’m coming from a BMW three series that I had for seven years. I’m excited. The design is so cool. I’m picking it up Monday.

  • @vs1013
    @vs1013 2 месяца назад +1

    If you want comfort then model y long range, if you are younger like myself and want to be one of the fastest cars on the road model y performance... It will keep up with mostly anything on the road, top speed of 155mph where model y long range only goes to 135mph, if you need to ask when and why you need to go those speeds then model y long range is the car for you. Also mine is a 2022 performance it is stiff as rock... And in performance driving around corners and bends at high speeds is great... However on bumps and potholes its atrocious. I did hear the newer performance has softer suspension but not sure how that translates to performance driving. Also there is no protection on 21 inch uberturbines... Any curb will give u curb rash instantly

  • @MaestroWenarto
    @MaestroWenarto 3 месяца назад +1

    I can't buy the long range today because they told me it is "on hold" due to "software" issue - for about 1 to 2 months

  • @kristianilse8100
    @kristianilse8100 2 месяца назад

    Only performance is cool. LR would be cool if it was lower and better wheel design . Much More fun to drive performance for a few more usd

  • @mainpilot
    @mainpilot 2 месяца назад +1

    So you’re getting the Performance then?

  • @MrCocoriver
    @MrCocoriver 16 дней назад

    just for giggles i got upgrades on my y long range . suspension upgrade from unplugged performance and speaker /amp from t-sport just a little nicer not to crazy and yes i cheated with the red line

  • @nickjacobsss
    @nickjacobsss Месяц назад

    Honestly the ride quality difference is 90% the slimmer tires. Throw some 19" wheels on a performance and itll feel mostly the same

  • @Gsquared_08
    @Gsquared_08 Месяц назад

    Not many people do a proper suspension test and this is a very big concern coming from my M3LR which is smooth. So thank you for spending time of this area and also getting your wife's input.

  • @someoneelse6934
    @someoneelse6934 3 месяца назад

    I’ll save my $4,000 and you could have your second less of acceleration. I’ll put it towards my next set of tires.

  • @macprinting6918
    @macprinting6918 21 день назад

    I wish the performance had a 7 seater. :(

  • @BryantBaudelaire
    @BryantBaudelaire 4 месяца назад +1

    I went with the long range because I drive back to Nashville my hometown a lot and want the longer range

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +1

      Makes sense - LR is still a great choice! 👌🏼

  • @rudolphnash7471
    @rudolphnash7471 3 месяца назад

    Why do people keep getting curb rash I’m tired of people who have curb rash THATS EXTRA 1inch parking so damn close will not save your car!!!!!!!!

  • @PECKERWOOD249
    @PECKERWOOD249 2 месяца назад

    2:17brakes not breaks🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @dustinstephens9931
    @dustinstephens9931 3 месяца назад +2

    We just purchased a 24’ Performance Model Y. Was back and forth on Long Range but my wife being awesome wanted the performance.
    This is our around town / commute vehicle and I can’t be more excited after this review. We would have gotten the upgraded rims anyway, price difference certainly worthwhile.

  • @Jearhby
    @Jearhby 4 месяца назад +2

    From someone in the car scene, when someone describes a car as “zippy”, I know that car is slow as shit…

    • @YouSoundButtHurt
      @YouSoundButtHurt 3 месяца назад

      They aren't slow. Your car probably is though.

  • @hananmagan
    @hananmagan 4 месяца назад

    Your hands on the wheel are totally wrong, too high. Also, the way you turn would fail any driving test.

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Teacher! I’ll keep that in mind for my driving test 😂

    • @pokeroohardo6539
      @pokeroohardo6539 4 месяца назад +1

      Pointless comment 😒

    • @hananmagan
      @hananmagan 4 месяца назад

      Your name is pointless.@@pokeroohardo6539

  • @ari_young
    @ari_young 21 день назад

    Who cares if someone has red calipers, do people actually look at that. what do I care what trim someone else has?

  • @dmitriibob
    @dmitriibob 24 дня назад

    How can you make a comparison video and not inform yourself that long range has matrix to. You can clearly see it of the video LOL

  • @jb4700
    @jb4700 2 месяца назад

    Paying $4,000.00 more just for show? Not me.

  • @jasonstyrke1805
    @jasonstyrke1805 4 месяца назад +4

    You can buy 300$ wheel hub caps for your LR but you dont get those red calipers, which is pretty much useless since you rarely brake when driving a tesla... I do a lot of road trip, ill take all the range i can get and i dont need to be 1 second faster than anyone lol. Im not racing this car. Its on FSD 99.99% of the time, i only take over when its sketchy. i can say, FSD has reduce my road rage imensely. I might start a youtube video to advocate on road rage issues lol. I go camping as well so the higher clearence is better. When are you ever gonna be racing someone unless you go to the track lol, unless you do track days, performance all day. Otherwise, i think its just how people use their vehicles. I saved my self from a merging semi truck that was about to come into my lane and boosted out just fine with my model y lr =)

    • @astateoftech
      @astateoftech  4 месяца назад

      Fair enough, I have the long range as well. It can def be costly with the wheels of the performance. Of course, everyone values different things in their car.

  • @rainmwhop
    @rainmwhop 4 месяца назад +2

    I want the performance one but I feel like I need to get long range because it’s more practical 🥲