035 - UFOs
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Convinced we’re alone in the universe? Think everyone who believes in UFOs is a lot like Randy Quaid’s character, Russel, in 20th Century Fox’s original Independence Day?
Get ready to entertain doubts after listening to this week’s episode with retired US Navy Commander David “Sex” Fravor (you may recognize him from numerous appearances on the 2008 PBS series, Carrier). You’ll be amazed to hear events that transpired off the coast of Mexico in November 2004-events witnessed not just by Commander Fravor but by three other aviators in his flight and several others on subsequent flights.
Cutting edge technology from the AEGIS radar system aboard the USS Princeton, a nearby Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser, to the Super Hornet’s radar and TFLIR systems recorded the day’s events. And yet, doubts and questions linger as to what was actually witnessed. The listener will have to decide for him- or herself.
During the listener question segment of this episode, we discuss mid-90’s flight simulators, math formulae used airborne, air intercepts, and IFF use in training.
Episode artwork is actual FLIR footage of the event as captured on November 14, 2004. Bumper music by Jaime Lopez.
This entire podcast is worth listening to ...but the meat and potatoes UFO story starts around 25:30.
Attn: UFO nerds: This is an excellent interview. Objective, friendly, professional and respectful.
Topal Glangus thank you. Shame we can't rate other users who actually contributed use comment.
I'm a UFO nerd, and this interview was fantastic. Definitely worth the listen, as you indicated.
@@MTMMoonlight couldn't agree more.
Friendly professional and respectful. As your calling people nerds. Guess we can’t say the same for you. This is a serious issue that could be dangerous for our country. Grow up.
Papa Filth Nice one!🥴
DCS: Tic-Tac :)
Hah--do it!
New DCS Module that finaly can beat the predominancy of the F15 aero-dynamics and speed? :P
Well we got Nevada, trains, cows, UFOs are the next logical step!
@@FighterPilotPodcast VSN_UFO is pretty funny. But Tic-Tacs would be fun for F/A-18 mission.
@@TheIceGryphon Reminds me of the old Fleet Defender Tomcat game. There was a UFO mission, where sometimes you'd intercept a bunch of mig-21's, and other times there'd be flying saucers. Best part is it was random, so you didn't know which one you'd get.
His saving grace was he wasn't alone when he saw what he saw. I saw something in 1999 off pacific coast beach of Costa Rica, Playa Hermosa near Jaco. There was a night surf contest I was watching from my work 2 hotels away. 1000ft-2000ft above the lineup a light emerged. It was stationary, hovering. It grew in size and was directional towards the mountain. Lasted 1 or 2 seconds became like a thrust from a jet engine except it was a white light and didn't come to a point like a jet but the opposite instead, it spread out kinda like a flashlight from the side view with hotter spots top and bottom. Then it shot off towards the ocean covering a half a mile to a mile before the light either turned off or disappeared. The light source shrunk as it left not sure if from distance or speed or throttle. But seemed more like speed or throttle etc because it got small almost at launch.
I can't give a guess at the speed it was incomprehensible. I've helped top fuel and nitro bikes set records in the 1/4 mile and worked at a military airstrip in Hawaii. Nothing on earth moves that fast.... I dare say it was unmanned because nothing could survive the g force from what I saw. Then again something that moves that fast might bend gravity by design? If I had to guess I'd say somewhere between 1,000 mph-lightspeed. Of importance is it made zero sound. It also blew the doors off the sound barrier yet there was no sonic boom either. When the contest ended I asked every hotel guest that returned if they saw or heard something and nobody knew a thing. Blew my mind that it went undetected. My saving grace from going crazy was that our chef was standing next to me when I saw the takeoff.(never saw even an outline of craft just energy or light signature) When the craft launched i heard him gasp for air. We both looked at eachother and each said "DID YOU SEE THAT!"
Fravor is lucky he not only had a WSO confirm but also his wingman and her WSO too. Couldnt imagine the repercussions if I had seen what I saw but alone... I realy appreciate Fravor for eventually coming forward as it helps others like myself find validity. I know his life is much more a hassle now but thanks a million Sir, it really does help us others having some more concrete evidence to make more sense of things.
Great podcast! Thanks!
I can't say anything about UFOs and Hermosa, but the mosquitos sure do like to take a hell of a lot of blood samples from me when I visit, lol. That sunblock/mosquito repellant is worth its weight in gold.
Multiple witnesses, airborne radar contacts, ground radar contacts, policemen, military staff, people in charge of SAC installations - the evidence has been here for years, but the past few years have been amazing for ufology :)
Only Fravor saw it move.
But many before him, it's old news.@@Prometheus4096
What about his back seater and wing women@@Prometheus4096
Great interview! Fravor is very credible and his account of the incident is amazing. Glad he decided to come out publicly!
24 years of service to America through the Marine Corps and Navy. Thank you, Commander Fravor!!!
I shouldn't have underestimated this podcast thinking i would listen to 10 minutes of it and go to sleep... But i gotta say, sleep deprevation was totally worth the listening!
Well thank you!
I remember saw Cdr. Fravor back in PBS’ Carrier documentary years ago, and I remember read his story in Fightersweep website, long way before his story went viral. Didn’t expect the story to be escalated
Same here!
Hey Ricky Kurniawan when you heard about this story years ago, do the details sound the same as spoken now? Better said does the experience sound the same as described prior? I'm really curious if anything has changed since then?
@@CuriousMindFuck the "Fighter Sweep" story was an exact replica of the David Fravor story.
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@@dietisgreat See Fravor's interview with the fighter pilot who was also knew Fravor on the Nimitz. Fravor stated in his many interviews that his buddy, "Paco" had a written blog and wrote a story about this way before in came out on the NY Times. Can't remember the year I think it was 2015. Paco interviewed Fravor and wrote a story on his "Fighter Sweep" blog and got the details straight from the horse's mouth. It was identical to what Fravor stated on Rogan and Lex Fridman's shows.
I've seen those carrier episodes quite a few times. I can say that, as a vet, I have the utmost respect for the skipper. His interaction with the junior grades is how it should be. You could tell the guy appreciates the working kids, maintainers etc.
I have been waiting for this episode for so long!!!! Awesomejob. Cdr.Fravor is not alone other military and civil Pilots were witness of this phenomena!
This has to be one of my favourite in the podcast series due to my interest in UFOs. I hear that generally pilots (even commercial pilots) are reluctant to talk about seeing UFOs due to the stigma and having their sanity questioned.
There's also a lot of secrecy within the world's militaries regarding the phenomenon, with the exception of countries like Portugal who are very open about it.
Maybe one day we will figure out what the hell they are and where exactly they are coming from. Unless ET just likes to troll us humans lol.
*"Honestly, I don't think the technology was developed...here...and I mean like, on this planet." - Retired US Navy Commander David Fravor.*
or maybe it was developed by nature and they are called birds. ruclips.net/video/mfhAC2YiYHs/видео.html
@@redmonkeyass26 Birds?!! You are REALLY grasping at straws aren't you?! Think about it, you mean to tell me that you would think the BEST trained fighter pilots in the world, with the MOST ADVANCED radar systems IN THE WORLD would NOT be able to tell the difference between a flying CRAFT and friggin' BIRDS?!! Do you hear yourself talk?!
@@timg.3326 Did you watch the video ? or just angry that im bursting the bubble of your fantasy of advanced alien technology ? Did you know that radar can pick up birds ? are you aware that the AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR can actually lock on birds ? I can actually see the wings flapping in the low flying clip..... or are you just willful blind ?
@@redmonkeyass26 YOU are the one who is delusional. Again, YOU (some unknown basement internet dweller) are wanting us to believe that YOU have better training identifying whats being seen, than the professional military pilots of whom the armed forces have spent MILLIONS of dollars training, in order to properly identify whats being seen. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? It has ZERO to do with any fantasy you imply that I may have here. It's simply a matter of logic and basic common sense. Which so many of you lack. .It really boggles the mind how far in denial you are. Wow! Birds...HAHAHAHAHA!!
@@redmonkeyass26 Also, BIRDS do NOT accelerate (like a bullet being fired from a gun) at a high rate of speed and disappear from view (on a clear, sunny day with a 50 plus mile viability) in a matter of a few seconds. Did you even listen to top-gun NAVY Commander David Fravor who chased the damn thing for over 5 minutes?! He had an EYEBALL visual on it wit h3 other highly trained, TOP GUN fighter pilots who were ALSO on the mission! Obviously you have NOT.
Your ridiculous attempt at dis-information is so silly, it doesn't even warrant me wasting any more of my time on you. You sound as if you're no more than about 7 years old in your logic and or reasoning or lack thereof! Good lord, get back in mommies basement and play some video games and leave this to the adults.
This interview is way better and more detailed than the Rogan or Fridman interview. Thanks for this!
Wow, now that’s a compliment! 😀
Yea I think on rogan he was abit nervous and Jeremy was there haha, lex was better , but this is equally better if not more .
@@pauldavidhaynes8243 Yeah, Fravor on Lex's show was awesome! And at four hours, he could just talk story as he wished. This Fighter Pilot Podcast brings a whole new dimension as an interviewer, due to the expertise in the subject.
I just listend to this interview again, 6/29/22. It never gets old. Thank you.
Just found this channel on my favorite topic. Being former Air Force I love to hear the break down analysis from like minded vets such as myself. Hope you have more of this. Well done sir!
Thank you Skipper for your awesome story, your not alone of course, I mean that in a military sense, other Sailors and Pilots, etc, have seen stuff too. It's getting more and more traction, and hopefully soon, we all can know more about what's going on with UAPs. You really helped the regular civilians with questions about this, and alot of transparency started with you and your story!
Navy Pilots are the BEST pilots, HOOYAH SKIPPER!!
Head of its time. This is 2 years old and now EVERYONE is basically on board.
The recent 60 Minutes episode with Commander Fravor and Alex Dietrich was a turning point. There's still a lot of people who trust corporate media to guide them on what needs attention and what doesn't. They may be late to the party, but I'm glad they're on board.
The June 25 Pentagon UAP report mentioned they "processed" radio frequency energy. That's an important fact. I'd like to hear more.
Really enjoy this one , i remember when it all came out , it blows my mind .
Thanks, Paul. Heady stuff for sure.
Thanks for sharing and having Cmd Fravor retell this incredible event. I like how the controller mentioned that they already had previous contacts. I guess that little tidbit didn't make it to any briefings for aircrew before this incident :-)
Aircrew generally are not privy to the various goings on of the cruiser just due to the nature of the way the briefs are conveyed between ships.
My sighting lasted for minutes.
Three silver spheres that appeared to drift like balloons - until they accelerated past several mach numbers in less than a second.
A few days later, those same objects were recorded over Manhattan by everyone on the street with a camera.
Thank you for sharing.
While driving down my street, I saw a shiny blue-gray cylinder floating a few hundred feet above my neighborhood 5 years ago. It was incredible. It was completely motionless as if to be in a geosynchronous orbit. I stopped my car so i could focus on it and take a picture but then it was gone. I’m still frustrated that i didn’t get a picture of it.
I’d really like to see pic/video of what you saw. Is there one or more available?
@@thezzach When I was making my observation, I deliberately didn't take my eyes off it, not miss any movement that might have betrayed it as a man made object. Recording it meant taking an action that would have diverted my attention.
I’ve heard the tic tac story several times. From Commander Fravor, documentaries, from talking heads, etc., but this audio of the story is by far the best one. Most detail. Great podcast. Maybe he did better because he was talking to a fellow pilot!?!? Awesome.
Thanks, Denton.
@@FighterPilotPodcast Wish you could have Chad Underwood on the show.
Just this past summer I watched “Carrier” on Amazon Prime and loved it. Cmdr. Fravors was one of my favorites to watch, he was a boss when they were landing on a pitching deck.
Joshua Friloux that’s when I had a cameo!
Had to go look through that episode again to try and spot you.... sure enough!
Wow, did not expect this topic. This is very cool addition to the FPP.
Anyone else here after the 60 minutes documentary? Great interview
Finally some legitimacy for the topic.
@@cancelanime1507 bob lazar has been proved right from time to time.. I’m sure you’ve heard of element 115
@@blunttime1089 lmaoooo oh wow the element after 114 was eventually found. What a genius!
@@blunttime1089 My one problem with Lazar's story is I just can't believe that an alien craft would ever crash. His story hinges on it because that's how the military acquired the craft he was hired to reverse engineer. It doesn't make sense that a ship capable of interstellar travel would have any trouble at all staying in the air once it got here. When you get to the point of FTL or wormhole travel, you've figured out simple flight a long time ago.
@@MakerInMotion I tend to agree about the crashing. But... perhaps they crash sometimes if they fight each other. Kinda hope not...
Or, maybe there are millions of them and then accidents will happen. Murphy's Law trumps the law of gravity...
So we should investigate UFO/UFO violence, and also try to get some valid random-sample surveys completed, like we do to count ducks or finches.
@@MakerInMotion not to mention a craft capable of interstellar travel would have a terrible time in our atmosphere
Hearing this in detail it's a lot creepier than when it was on the news a while back. Unknown unknowns are the scariest.
Agreed!
I don’t find it scary at all. Actually quite the opposite. It’s nice to know we’re probably not alone in this, infinite, ever expanding universe.
It would be scarier if we have this technology right here on earth, developed right here on earth, and they hide this like they hide so many other things.
@@RicGagger not to me. Highly advanced Aliens looking for resources to take , sounds infinitely scarier to me than typical dishonest govt bullsheet
@@RicGagger It's scary knowing that we aren't the top of the totem pole anymore. If those craft wanted to do something to us they absolutely could have their way with us. They could literally fly circles around our most advances aircraft. We're just going on a hope and a prayer that they don't have bad intentions at this point. Given that the mothership and invasion force hasn't shown up yet, I think that's a good sign. But it still is scary knowing you are completely at the mercy of these unknown unknowns.
Our (now deceased) former Yugoslavian pilot Suad Hamzić talked about his several encounters with these objects while operating MiG-21 back in the late 70s (not sure about that, to be honest). This case is similar in some ways. You can consider him to be a highly professional individual so if you have that on mind, just as in this interview, there is a weight to it. Personally, I don't know what to think about this topic. All the best Jell-O, greets from Serbia!
Hello Serbia! Thanks for the comment. Yeah, a real head scratcher this one...
I stayed the night in Nice, near the Novi Sad Bridge during an expedition from Germany to China. It was an interesting night...
Complete respect, Imagine it was yourself in the cockpit seeing that & then imagine how you would handle the fall out. Awesome interview 👍
We're going to need an update on this one
Fermi's Paradox: If advanced aliens exist why haven't they swamped the galaxy in self replicating space probes.
Me: Maybe they already have.
Fermi's paradox is no paradox at all. It's an ignorant idea to begin with
@@phillynott2459 you think nature would stop them?
ive had the same thought.
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The bit about his mother-in-law was terrific!
I was in aviation most my life ended up at my state's Aeronautics Commission. Did a lot of flying usually with 1-2 spotters mostly night but did see these "tic tacs" S of KSSC in the large moa bombing range that we cut across when inactive. Same description... Lear 25 size with no tail or wings, flat white. Sorry but no other worldly maneuvers. Another sighing was from the ground. Very fast if not m1 close and made no sound or report. At first ATC would ask the usual questions, report no other mil activity etc but after a while instead of the routine q&a we got "Remain visual sp." Last sighting was approx 10 years ago.
Nothing to see monkeys, just the caretaker performing essential maintenance on the simulation ;d
"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend." - Henri Bergson
This applies to flat earth, convex earth etc.
As do all the video and radar tapes I guess.
The problem with the top brass and leadership in both the military and senior politicians is there philosophical, career, and religious beliefs that make them not want to order investigations and put stops to any talk or reporting. This was said directly by Lue Elizondo who was chief of the US UFO/UAP program.
Just because someone said it,it doesn't make it so!
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Absolutely 💯% true and correct. Nice one.
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About 4 years ago, I saw what the current conventions call a "Foo Fighter". It was a reddish orange ball, about the size of a melon. It flew over my house at very slow speed, about 10mph, forming an arch pattern from its starting point, and ended up over my roof. I couldn't believe what I just saw, so I did something really odd, I jumped to take a look at the roof expecting to see just anything and calm myself, I thought I was getting crazy... But then I jumped and watched this thing hovering over the roof, but it quickly tilted left-right like a quick shake and went straight up at extraordinary speed. All of this was without any sonic boom or sounds or any kind. The silence made me think it was a little balloon flying over the house, until the roof thing. I was never afraid because the movements until then were slow. I feel really lucky to have this little experience to share. That and a zig-zagging football balloon sighting that occurred to me and my whole class of high school back in 1998 over the mountains of El Morado National Park in Santiago, Chile, are my two UFO experiences. I don't think they are aliens BTW. Cheers!
Very interesting. If not aliens then what do you suppose they are?
@@FighterPilotPodcast In a nutshell (because this is part of a totally different topic as you pointed out), I came to the conclusion that this phaenomena is real, there are flying objects, they are "driven" by entities, but I only beg to differ on the treatment "aliens" most people do. My very personal thinking is that this is much darker. These entities aren't unknown. But I think they enjoy this confusion and this alien title they have nowadays. They even take the time to sometimes drop at someone's house and do actions that imply they need humans for things other than their real purpose of confusing us. The principle is simple: best lies are the ones mixed with the truth. And I would love to keep this topic going but it's just too large for a RUclips comment. I appreciate your time reading me and standing my craziness. God bless us all this year... :)
@@helmetless difficult to know for sure.
@@helmetless Fallen angels maybe, huh?
These orange balls is something you often see in youtube comments, quite interesting. Im sure many of them are chinese lanterns but then you have comments like this and others that cant be explained. I guy i follow on youtube had one 10 meters from him, he said it looked like plasma, very bright but without annoying your eyes and didnt produce any crazy heat.
Its so crazy and irrational that i have to see it myself to believe it though.
Nice to finally hear highly trained pilots talk about sightings. Much harder to discredit them and saying it’s a bird is hard to say with this kind of expertise on what’s in the air.
You would think so. Unfortunately there are countless amounts of videos of pilots and other seemingly genuine witnesses in relatively credible positions doing exactly that, going crazy over an object that turns out to be nothing but a duck, a bird or a plane on an IR. It sucks I know, but that's the reality my friend.
@@artkitectbeats1622 I'd like to see a video like that!
On the other hand, if they KNOW it was a bird, then that means they ID it eventually, but that hasn't happened here. Some say gimbal was a bird but if they can't say the species of bird, I am skeptical.
Some time ago I've read testemonies of a Polish test pilot. Most of the book covers his flying experiences, but there is one story from the mid 80s about his encounter with an UFO. It happened during daylight, over military airport, during Cold War. Many other people have seen this strange object hovering. He jumped into a plane with another guy to intercept it. They came as close as 150 meters and he has seen it as a rotating sphere made of some metalic material. When they were closing in, it was always moving away a bit. He wrote, that he couldn't explain this with all of his aeronautical knowledge.
This story struck me, because he seems like a cool, rational and engineering personality.
Like Commander Fravor!
Similar incidents were reported in Turkey too.
As most UFO enthusiasts now know, former CDR Fravor doesn't do many interviews. This a semi-rare gem and is among the most widely viewed episodes in the catalog, which is pretty cool. Everybody likes to hear directly from the pilots re: UFOs.
True. Although after this he did appear on the Joe Rogan show.
Fravor on JRE was super interesting. I've seen him on an a Vice video, and he appeared on stage with Corbell & Knapp, to a full house. I think he did Tucker's show as well, a couple years ago.
I saw my own version of this 2 weeks ago. Flying about 1000 feet up, through the cloud illuminating them as it went. 9.38 pm. Silent and flying against the wind. A blue white ball glowing. At a guess 40 to 50 feet across ..... 5 seconds ... then gone. Moon was behind me so wasn't that. I checked. Feel privileged to have experienced it.
Do you mind sharing where you saw this? Anything reported online by anyone nearby?
In 1997, the object i saw in broad daylight northwest of Baltimore in the suburbs was a perfectly mirrored, possibly slightly flattened sphere with the no control surfaces or gondola. Estimating 2,000 feet high, diameter perhaps 100 feet. While driving vehicle, object was size of a silver dollar at arms length hovering in position for several minutes, does crazy fast step like movement that no human would survive without a gravity bubble inside the craft, saw it “phase out” like a GD Star Trek movie. Not a cloud in the sky, totally sober.
Excellent interview. Thank you.
Great show, thanks. Always wondered why people believe the military would have no interest in craft in our airspace outperforming our best stuff.
It matches what Bob Lazar talked about. Similar shape and movement. I would say to look into that as well. He worked at area 51 at s4 and worked on the propulsion systems that match this exactly.
If you've read the book, AREA 51, by Annie Jacobsen then you'd know the answer...
Element 115...
Big business in ufology. They all got promoted by same journalists. He seems to enjoy attention... As well as Lazar ...all over the place and saying "Im simple... I didnt wamt Any of this"... strikes me as a Big contradiction. Big showmans
And no real proof. No real picture.
@@espaciofreaks168 hahaha big business? Compared to what? I’ve only ever known broke ufologists. The world now runs on social media filled with attention cravers of all kinds. Are you high? Lazar is a scientist who worked at Los Alamos and has run various businesses his entire life. What’s your issue? Get out of your basement and interact with actual people.
@@mattsapero1896 lazar run a whore House un Las Vegas. Investigate
These things are always seen Penetrating a Nuclear Battle Group around Nuclear Aircraft Carriers, the same craft was seen in Chile around a new Nuclear Power Plant being finished.
These things are powered by nuclear fusion Tokamak reactors and are interested in the hydrogen isotopes found in the heavy water nuclear power plants use as a coolant.
Bullshit, modern reactors almost never use heavy water.
It’s us from the future!
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My ultimate dream would be for the world to receive undeniable proof of intelligent, alien life (as long as it’s benign, of course!). I think this greatest of all events in human history would revolutionize interest in science & transform humanity forever, for the better.
Life is getting strange, great interview.
Agreed.
One year later I am finding this interview. Excellent interview.
Thank you to both of you.
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I’m very interested in the jamming aspect of the engagement (33:39). I only have my private, so onboard RADAR and ECM were never an issue while flying the Piper Saratoga.
Can anyone explain what he is describing at 33:39? Also, does the method, intensity, pattern, etc, etc of the Tic-Tac’s radar jamming reveal anything more?
Was it what can be expected when jamming is utilized in general? Are there any general rules when it comes to jamming? Is there anything that can be expected from certain systems or adversaries to which this was similar or totally unique?
Aside from the engagement, the jamming is a pretty active, “hello,” if you ask me.
Would love anyone’s qualified input.
Thank you both for making this Podcast happen!
That was an act of war. Not cool.
The crafts are transmedium which means they can go from air into water and vice-versa.
I also believe that they come from a multiple dimensional world like 4 or 5 which means that they can pop into and out of our world quite easily.
I have never seen one but a lot of people are gonna be surprised when the disclosures comes u should watch theory’s of everything TOE channel Louis Elizondo gave some awesome interviews 3 hours and Jeremy Corbel a must watch
He explains his call sign around 6 minutes left...
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The one reason why I came here.
Really fascinating interview! If it were me, I wouldn't be able to fathom what I was looking at.
I do remember David from the Carrier show. That night time landing episode, where the carrier was rocking and a rolling was insane. Do you remember which episode you were on?
That same episode.
Sir, I don't know if you are aware of the Indian text of "Vimanika Sastra"???? Google it. The size of their craft is so close to the craft mentioned in those documents. They are crude coz they did not have the basic knowhow of what we have now. There is too much that meets the eye ❤️
David Fravor. Coolest dude on the planet-who also happens to be as smart as a whip.
Where are the USS Princeton radar tapes showing weeks of these craft?! We deserve to see all of it.
Sorry to say, Matt, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
@@FighterPilotPodcast Which is the right one? Just hoping some Navy prankster grabbed it and will dump it online somewhere or return it to Fravor!
@@FighterPilotPodcast BTW, if you haven’t read “The Day After Roswell” by Col. Philip Corso yet, I hope you’ll give it a shot. It’s astounding. Read it when it came out in 1997 shortly after my own wildly ridiculous UFO experience. The guy was phenomenal and what he said should convince many people about the authenticity of Captain Fravor’s years now of unchanging testimony.
@@mattsapero1896 You could try CHINFO but I wouldn't hold your breath.
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@@mattsapero1896 I have not, thanks for the lead. 👍
Just listened. Well done. Very informative from an Airman's perspective and palletable for a civilian. Thanks again.
You're welcome, Little Smokey. Commander Fravor was on 60 Minutes recently and Joe Rogan before that, but we had him first!
Glad you had him discuss his experience. Also good to hear that the story hasn't changed in any form since this interview. I hope it helps shed some light on this issue.
@@FighterPilotPodcast Fravor did Lex Fridman's podcast also, and he didn't exactly rush out of there. Almost four hours, lots of interesting details.
Quite fascinating to listen to. Thanks and best wishes for the year ahead!
Thank you for this podcast.
I served in USAF Intel. Fravor seems 100% legit.
While driving down my street 5 years ago, I saw a shiny blue-gray cylinder floating a few hundred feet above my neighborhood. It was incredible. It was completely motionless as if to be in a geosynchronous orbit. I stopped my car so i could focus on it and take a picture but then it was gone. I’m still frustrated that i didn’t get a picture of it. Fortunately I’ve seen exact matches online of pics others have taken of it.
Something i still don’t understand is why our multimillion dollar jets, or at least the pilots don’t have high tech purely visual cameras on them. If Fravor had had a GoPro attached to his helmet, it would have recorded everything he saw. Duh?
Does anyone know the answer to this?
Fravor said he had a helmet cam, wishes he had turned it on, they don't turn it on often because the direct recordings from the instruments are a lot better for most uses...
Did you see it through the windshield? That's called a car windshield reflection. Of course it would not have been visible once you got out of the car.
Its on radar and it never got close enough. Did you even listen to the story?
So the news story around this solidified a perception of mine, and even changed part of my thinking. Ever since high school where we had to learn about the Fermi equation I've always believed that we are definitively not alone in the universe, the odds are too great, but the disclosure of this even helped me to realize we aren't alone and it is possible someone else is interested in _us_
Thanks, Stephen. This was one of our more controversial episodes but it was fun to stir it up a little. Definitely caused me to ponder assumptions too!
Read Darwin's Black Box.
It is statistically impossible for life to have evolved in the ideal conditions on earth, let alone alien life somewhere else.
Imagine what's out there at night in the deep oceans scary but they could be living on earth for millions of years and not interested in humans
But we are so interesting. We do stuff like use gorilla glue instead of hair spray 🤪
@@adamsmith6594 lmfao
Yes, deep down in hidden caves and facilities. It makes perfect sense. It’s what we would do with this kind of tech.
The craziest thing to me is that our fighter pilots are fascinated (and not terrified) by these foreign unknown objects regularly flying in our military airspace. Our pilots clearly don't interpret these things as foreign enemies
I'm from rhe UK I love this show
Thanks, Gareth--good to hear from you.
Thanks for the upload
Tremendous interview!
Somebody up there likes retired Commander Fravor or all these incredible things wouldn't keep happening to him.
Why there was no video at all from Cmdr. Fravor or the other plane cameras? They didn't have the IR cameras but why not camera at all? F18s should have not cockpits cameras? The helmet camera was the only cameras (that Fravor said they were no wearing)? F18s manual says they are built with several cameras as part of the standard equipment.
Of they had turned on their cams, the debate would be over. Oh well, guess we need to consider thousands of military incidents over the decades. Tons of evidence.
Hey there from the UK, love the show and Incredibly interesting interview, in Fact I've just google imaged the FLIR image. You must have heard about the UFO incident at RAF Woodbridge near Rendlesham forest in Suffolk England early 80s. I actually stay less than a hour from there and often hike around the forest where the UFOs flew and landed.
Nope, had not hear of it.
@@FighterPilotPodcast www.therendleshamforestincident.com/
Yes, “Left at East Gate” is a classic on the Rendlesham forest events. You should watch the 3 full videos from the Navy release...
This should be called the "AYY LMAO party Cruiser"
Has Fravor addressed the time discrepancy between his account vs. that of his wingman, Alex Dietrich? She says it was 5-10 seconds of visual ID on the tic tac, he has said in many many interviews it was 5 minutes. She even said in a tweet 5 minutes makes no sense and they would have been out of gas....??!
The public needs access to those comms audio recordings...
FYI, the “ball in the sphere” that he’s talking about is from the 2015 events off Florida, and now a picture of a ball in a sphere was just released from a 2019 fighter jet off of Virginia. It was one of three totally weird and different looking objects/craft.
yeah, i had never even heard of such a thing
here's another weird one. a guy said a "UFO" thing the size of a praying mantis hovered inside his car, changing shapes
i remember things that are crazy thou.. i remember being off the coast of libya and 2 mig 29s flying towards us “USS John F Kennedy CV-67” not responding to any radio communications and we put 6 F-14 tomcats in the air that shot down both libyan migs “russian fighter jets” then seeing a cnn report the next day about how unfair it was for us to send in 6 F-14a.... ugghh what? like we were supposed to put 2 f-14s in the air for a fair fight or something... wtf is wrong with u all... those migs got within 6 miles of the kennedy before we shot them down “which is close enough to damage a carrier”... we gave them every oppurtunity to turn back, they refused and never communicated... i have hundreds of stories like that
That was excellent.
Thanks, Craig. 🤩
@@FighterPilotPodcast In 2019 in Central Australia, I was in the desert marvelling at the night sky, which must be the best place on earth to view the stars. I enjoy watching satellites fly by, and I was watching one lazily come from some distance in the Northern part of the sky heading south. Nothing seemed unusual about it, but then I saw it stop, remain stationary for around half an hour then change direction at 90 degrees. I asked people if satellites can do that, and I've been told no. They have a trajectory that is fixed. Is that true? If Satellites can't do that, then I saw something out of this world.
@@craigmerrila7767 Perhaps while it appeared still it was flying directly at you before turning the other direction. Either way, sounds strange.
Carriers showed how much you cared about those you were put in charge over.
Is that a compliment? Difficult to tell lacking non-verbal cues.
@@FighterPilotPodcast it was a compliment. I saw the show and had been in the service knowing both good and not so good leaders. His concern exemplifies great character.
@@markoconnell804 agreed.
This is very professional and well done! My compliments!!!!!
I m listening...from Rome Italy...got ti know you this very day...2-Dec 202WHAN....GOOD JOB GUYS
Excellent!
So since they are saying that UAPS ARE NOT from other planets means they have not observed them coming to and leaving our planet's atmosphere obviously. Therefore, the craft are interdimensional or from our own future.
Mind. Blown.
This discussion skirts around the Drake Equation a lot. Pretty disappointing that the original tapes disappeared. Honestly I think the reason people don't talk about this much is because it's way too compelling and that is a bit of a turn off. No one can really explain it. We love stuff we can explain or debate, but I haven't heard of any decent rebuttal. And that isn't firing people up enough.
Great interview and report done in a matter-of-fact, factual manner. It is informative and because of the attention to the details believable. Thank you. W.
The UFO enigma is not a joke. It's a serious issue that deserves serious investigation.
Yup and thats why military is doing serious investigation. Matter of fact they been doing these investigations for decades. Its the media that makes it light of a joke.
my first duty station was at MCAS Beaufort attached to VFA-86 Sidewinders on SEAOPDET from 06-10
made me happy to hear you say VFA-86 was your first as well. that's cool
@@TheMxer0022 😎
How am I only just NOW seeing this? I had thought that I’d seen all of your interview podcasts, Jello. And I had thought that I had seen all of LCDR Fravor’s interviews. Only to stumble onto this. Man… 🤦♂️🤣
I have much respect for LCDR Fravor, as well as for all the service members involved in this. But I’m left with questions I don’t know what to do with. I’ve seen Fravor almost dismiss (my interpretation & I could be entirely wrong) the accounts of other USN personnel involved in the “Nimitz Encounter”. Several Sailors have reported that two individuals arrived on the USS Princeton and subsequently took all the tapes and reports relating to this intercept. It seemed that way, but admittedly I could be way off here. I’d like to think he’s not dismissing them. So I guess I’d like to find something at some point that could make that more clear.
At any rate… another great interview, Jello. We always enjoy these, especially learning new things. Very well done, sir. Very well done indeed.
Great interview
Would love to see those radar tapes
Thanks for making this!
And now we are here.
Just listened. Minor logical error. If one assumes no God creation, one can have the extremely large number of planets in each galaxy, but one needs to multiply this times the probability of intelligent lift evolving far past where we are, to allow interstellar travel is both possible and they desire to visit us, at this theme, which might be so small a probability that it overwhelms the numbers of such planets. One notes that the sum of the harmonic series, which literally has an infinite number of elements, each half as large as the prior number is exactly 2, not some huge number. If one were to start the harmonic series as one half, the infinite sum would be exactly 1: the same as the number of planets we have observed live upon. So, just saying one can provide more emphasis to the size of the universe than it deserves in considering these things. Thanks for an interesting and thoughtful discussion.
Well, this isn't surprising... former Skunk Works chief, Ben Rich said, "there are 20-30 year old aircraft locked away, because no one else has that technology. Imagine what they're working on right now." That was 1994. That stuff is 50 years old now, and still nowhere to be seen. Imagine what they're working on NOW, 26 years later?
And maybe "we have the capability to take E.T. home" wasn't a joke at all.
GREAT JOB GUYS!
Looking back at this episode after all the UAP news and the new footage released I think we're being watched by something. The possibilites are endless.
Well, I suppose it's binary: of this world or not of this world
great interview, thanks guys
You're welcome, Scott.
this was actually more freaky than i thought it was going to be, obviously we're not the only intelligent creatures in the universe, great listen! and thankyou for sharing the story. would love to know where i could liaten to more stuff like this?
2 trillion galaxies, 2-400 billion stars wouldn't it be a waste of space.
There’s lots of intriguing details in this. What was it that was detected on radar that they merged plot with - the tic tac or the thing that appeared to be submerging? Was the tic tac launched by it or was the tic tac causing the water disturbance? Why did it fly up and mimic the fighter? Why not just fly off at high speed immediately? Did it want to see what the fighter was? Why did it fly to the CAP? Was it trying to distract the fighters away? Did it somehow hack into the communications to know where the CAP was? We’ll never know I guess.
All intriguing questions, Robert, and--true--we may never know.
Robert McIntyre
Another question: if the craft was so advanced, why did it not have stealth systems?
Very interesting. Fravor is very memorable for many reasons, all of them great. I'm so glad he's doing well. BTW, what happened to those red suits?
I’m not saying it was aliens!But it was,aliens!!!
People have to start thinking that aliens could be from somewhere else and not from our universe
Vincent "Jell-o" Aiello: _we are at the residence of retired United States Navy Commander David Fravor._
Cmdr. David Fravor (a few seconds later): _thanks Jell-O, it's good to be here._
childish? yes, but i thought it was kind of amusing. regardless, i'm really looking forward to the episode.
Dude, they love their nicknames and paid their dues.
I believe Cmdr. Fravor meant "here" as in a guest on my show.
@@FighterPilotPodcast Of course. Spectacular show, BTW.
Thanks,@@mattsapero1896, yours is among the kinder comments this video has generated. Much appreciated.
@@FighterPilotPodcast haha same old story. I’ve seen and heard it all over the years. Seeing all of the Fravor clips convinced me to stop staying silent about what I saw in 97. He’s a hero and I admire him.
Well isn't THIS timely in 2021???
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