Football violence in the 80s became more sinister, you literally put your own life in your hands going to the match, every young lad wanted to be a football hooligan it was that cool, and the adrenaline was awesome
Being a Youth growing up in 70s & 80s, knowing we were only 4 mins away from Nuclear Armageddon is it a surprise we wanted to get drunk and fight likeminded people? Made a change from Politics and Poverty and War films on a Weekend afternoon TV followed by Antiques Roadshow & Songs of Praise
My 1st game was our Owl's v man utd at 12 years old I was a hooligan through the 70,s, 80,s 90,s and the 2,000 thousands, it was addictive, I travelled all over here and the world, retired now, I still go to watch Sheffield wednesday 🦉🍻🦉
First generation to not experience war, but we were brought up to believe that aggression, courage and the ability to fight were admirable qualities. We were potential soldiers without a war. Not too difficult to understand.
My first game was in 1976 when I was 11. I'm ashamed to say I was swept along with it all until I realised just how foolish it was at the age of 21, haven't been to a football match since. Being young and impressionable I looked up to these people. Must say that the police didn't help, they inflamed it. I, myself, was beaten up by police at the age of 13. Saw them hitting people indiscriminately with their truncheons. One of my mates was held down on the floor whilst a policeman on horseback got the horse to back over his legs. I still have so many images in my head of the violence on all sides. The people that like to glorify those dark days are so sad. What team I supported is not important. Everyone was as bad as everyone else. Still have so much guilt for the things I did.
hey, at least you grew up! "how foolish it was at the age of 21" the truly ridiculous/foolish ones are thosewho are still doing it in their thirties and beyond
You are human. ..I did the same thing...forgive yourself...politicians stood by and laughed...and now broken britain...and not your fault...boris...whit.
I was live at Chorlton, Manchester in 1970’s which is middle between Maine Road and Old Trafford, seen many hooligans being chased & fights every Saturday. Scary that.
The 1st recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game occurred in the 1880s in England, In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs"
Considering the amount of print and video on the subject, that's the first time I heard the theory this presenter espouses. Before you laugh, it's fairly valid when you think about it. I completely forgot, despite the terracing that made grounds have larger capacities than they do today, that attendance had fallen. That vacuum of less dads and granddads is at least a unique take on it all.
The 1970s were very violent in general, TV news was Vietnam, Ireland, Baader-Meinhof Gang, none stop industrial action, mass picketing, cops totally out of control and no CCTV anywhere, if you ran away you got away with it, and football was part of the violence, back then you could get caught fighting in a ground and get thrown out then pay at another turnstile to get back in, I once argued with a gate Stewart that I got thrown out for no reason and he let me back in free. shoppers would clear the streets ready for when the game was about to end at 4-45, football grounds become a stage for young men to prove their self's, are grounds better now, I hope so, it was dark, damp, smelly, cold, brutal, and being treated like cattle is not fun, I blame the owners and cops, Hillsborough proved that, Hillsborough happened every weekend but no one usually died,
The football violence started in the late 1960s. Spurs went to Derby County in September 1969 when Dave Mackay was at Derby. They lost 5 goals to nil. Derby mates told me of the violence at and after the game. I was only 16 at the time and had just gone to Derby to work at Rolls Royce. Spurs fans on the way back to London wrecked the Football Special train and were turfed off near Luton. They then wrecked a village or two on the way back home.
My old man played against him when they were 12 he said you couldn't miss him with his red hair but also despite his size the best player on the pitch.
07:50, Interesting observation. I can recall in 1975 being in the 'Scratching Sheds' at Bloomfield Rd (Blackpool). We were in our mid teens and were being slowly and casually surrounded by a bunch of very aggressive Sunderland 'supposed' supporters. Then these men in their mid 30's to mid 40's all dressed in workman's clothes (in those days I guess they were builders straight from work via the chip shop) kind of started to group around us, telling us just to not react and be sensible. Seeing these men in their donkey jackets etc the Sunderland 'yobs' sidled away looking very shifty. I have never forgotten this.
As a Walsall supporter (streetender) that was the dress code, donkey jacket, jeans, dock Martin boots, & a Walsall silk scarf on your wrists, or tucked away so you could get in the home end at away matches.
I was there i remember on the pitch aks a copper for help age 10 year's old he told me f off he ran too football was a nightmare back then from an old north banker
Yes the stewards even show you to your seat now how woke the fun has gone forever you can't even stand up with out some jobsworth shouting you will be throw out
The appalling state of British stadia was a major factor in the breakdown in the 1970s. Many people would not attend them as the facilities were so bad. They were still largely Victorian.
Then we later got Fila to make our kit. The size of club in 1000's we lead the way even more now when it matters, Hammers away take more than anyone. All it was and is, is recreational relief from nagging bird and work.
The late 70s were the heyday of mass uncontrolled violence. The 80s saw it become far more organised and direct. For me the 70s were the most dangerous, at times it was out of control madness.
I assume you were NOT around. Football violence occured at my Club: Milwall from The Mid 1960's though the ground had been closed a few times b4 which was unheard of then.Other Clubs then followed suit. Thatcher came to power in 1979. Stop being brainwashed .Thatcher believed in BRITAIN and gave the working class the chance to buy their own home while Labour wanted to control the people by keeping them indebted to them by giving them social housing...@ @@carbobritton
@@Isleofskye The right to buy is why we are in such a bad housing situation now. Councils are still forced to sell off your property at very low rates. Not only that, they only get a small fraction of that money to reinvest into social housing. Property prices have gone through the roof and so have rents. Homelessness is at an all time high. In Bristol, where I live now, normal working people are resorting to buying camper vans. That's people with jobs. Or moving to Newport, where the rents are still just about manageable. Thatchers Britain was built on greed and unsustainable.
I would suggest it was built on self-determination and aspiration. To try, as a working class Boy from ther rough and tough Old Kent Road near Millwall Football Club to study hard and achieve and , thus, be free and independent to buy your own property and NOT be reliant on The Nanny State but yourselves. So that I would be responsible for my actions and not blame anyone else and reap any rewards that accompany that lifestyle. So I DID study and attended an excellent working class Inner London Grammar School which "Good Old Labour-"Friends" of The Working Class" abolished so Working Class kids thereafter ,went to standard,very average secondary schools and stayed in Social housing (where still available ) and like sheep continued to be "controlled" either by working in Nationalised Industries or the local Council , with no competition or reduced to rely on Society or the local council for their housing needs . Some of us broke free and escaped their evil clutches.@@papatruss
Was a kinda fashion,tribal,your town/city versus another,taking their main end......made going to football really exciting,gave it that edge......great days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
garden centres can be extremely dangerous at weekend,,,,,,,its tribal,,,,,some of us go to be part of the crowd, accepted by are neighbours and workmates,,,,,others are in to the potted plants, whilst a rival group may prefer the outdoor plants and wooden benches. It tends to kick off in the tea room around 4pm.
Yes, I remember these terrible times back in the 70's, every week there was hooligans spoiling the real fans day out & in some cases there were clubs who just let it happen. Nearly turned me away from the great game back then, thank God it's a safer place to gather these days ....
@@MacStoker Went to Man Utd at Newcastle in the 80s. Mirandinha was playing for you then, you were also improving the ground. Amazed by the noise and I stayed at the Swallowfield Hotel. Went out to the city centre that night and had a great time. Loved the Newcastle people since as your a friendly bunch. I was 19 at the time haha
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
A City is known for thieving, Dickensian urchins even to this day, disasters, street crime and, while others are educating themselves, Scallies learn how to cut arteries, nerves, or muscles. Even a hatred for The Late Queen and England,i in general, no wonder, the City of Liverpool has always been poor. There is widespread deprivation and high retail vacancy rates in many high streets, where the city's residents are facing the prospect of spending more than a quarter of their lives in ill health. What A Proud Tradition and Heritage even The Docks are now becoming clogged with sewage-polluted silt. See you in The Championship real soon.😀
And then sky took the game from the working class and gave it to the prawn sandwich brigade tried to make it a "family" game and priced the working man out of it.
My old boss was on that coach at 1:03. Initially, the Millwall fans had been doing nothing but chatting, smoking and playing cards. Not very exciting TV. The production team and film crew decided to jump start the procedings by making the coach drive around until they found a pub (this was before you could wander into an Off Licence early in the morning) willing to sell them a couple of crates of beer. Hey presto, instant football thuggery courtesy of the BBC and its expenses
Expensive though if you liked Groups. To see 3 of the best Bands in the World then: Led Zeppelin : Wembley Arena 1974. Pink Floyd @ Earls Court 1973 and Deep Purple at The Royal Albert Hall around that time cost a COMBINED......................£2...............£1 TO see Pink Floyd debut Dark Side Of The Moon. 75 PENCE to watch Zeppelin and 25 PENCE to watch Deep Purple............lol
Beware the hairbrush, it was used by Aunty Agnes, she would capture hooligans, brush their hair good and HARD whilst telling them off........THEN what every man fears - out comes the hanky for a public spit-wash!!!!! Hard as nails our Aunty Agnes - She never lost a fight! ...... Legend!
But I watched a Pathe news reel of a 1952 match. So many older men. And they had the body language of MEN, restrained, controlled....they clapped and cheered, waved flags, that's all...and the younger men copied them. Compare to the 80s. It's all young brickies, plasterers, estate agents..but the older men are gone. And the young men are acting like boys....little boys, I mean, jumping, shouting, fighting, making childish two~finger gestures, singing silly songs...not clever chants , just silly....little boys but unfortunately with height and muscle. The old men arent in garden centres. They are ON THE DOLE. It's the men over 45 who cant find other jobs when ther factories closed. They can't afford to go to the football any more. Not even a terrace ticket.
Modern Football IS Rubbish .... they've tried and still are trying to price the working man out of the game and into a pub to watch it on fuckin Sky tv or sat at home.
When I saw the Sex Pistols and the Ramones in Hollywood in I believe it was 1977 as a sophomore highschooler who was tired of the establishment led zeppelin, journey, rock genre and Donna Summer disco direction I was playing soccer instead of traditional American football and had lots of street vices and I WISHED WE over across the pond had Hooliganism!!! Fanaticism is pure emotion.. Football fans will save the world! Go Ajax... Reds v Barca ..
Chelsea fans that ran through innocent groups of people ( elderly folk, women and children) punching and kicking but not stopping! The bravado of a running mob of cowards!
@jasenwright1178 they did the same to a train full of normal Everton fans at high street Kensington in the late 70s, they got relegated so Everton had to wait till a Friday night game in 1985 to gain revenge, Everton brought a total of 500 fans housed in a terrace designed to hold over 10 times that amount, what Chelsea didn't know that every one of them was a hate filled scally, many of them were aboard that train that the Chelsea cowards ran through, but that night in 85 was sweet revenge, a lot of the Everton were armed with Stanley's and flare guns, one of which was fired into the Chelsea dugout, Chelsea knew something was going to go off as the Everton scallies didn't even cheer when kevin richardson scored the winner, we weren't there for the football just revenge, and we got it,the police couldn't handle a mob of 500 scallies, Chelsea scattered everywhere, those who got caught got dealt with, some carved up at the hands of some of the Everton years before on that train, to this day I've still to see a mob as evil as the Everton lads that night..Everton fc we will never forget or forgive that afternoon at Kenny high street
@@DB-us6ke people who don't come from here....hence the word 'invasion'. That's specifically why I used the word invasion. The word invasion is the clearest and most concise way of explaining what has gone on.
@@DB-us6ke The Third World, mon ami......The Silent Invasion....My friend walked down Whitechapel in East London 2 weeks ago after an interview and passed endless people in the streets in n hour........and did not hear a single word of English spoken....
@@RoCK3rAD you idiot Marxist piece of filth. If we hadn't have 'invaded' the other countries they would still be shitting in holes in the ground and burning their widows. Genetically we are the best. We will without doubt weather this storm. The likes of your kind willing the demise of the uk based on some invader history fallacy can fuck right off.
" If some dirty northern ponce spits on me I will put a pint glass in his face ! " Bobby.. MILLWALL circa 1970's as was that coach avec Harry Le Chien.... I followed Millwall all over the Country then from Plymouth to Carlisle and 78 grounds in between. First game Sept.1962 and never once involved..though I DID have to think quickly on my feet on many occasions ! lol
Yes m8 @ 1'10 on the coach. Also @ 1'47 the "Pint glass over the northerners head" was Bobby of Millwall and the song at the very end about "When I was just a little boy,who should it be" came from the 2nd famous Pamorama Documentary on Millwall in the 1980's.The forgotten first one was M,illwall on their way to Villa in 1968 FA Cup 3rd Round/
No words can adequately express my remorse regarding my inexcusable error. I am mortified that I got to make such a Schoolboy error and I only try to crave your forgiveness for my brief moment of total complete and utter insanity in making this mistake. I have no excuses and I can only apologise ,profusely, for my stupidity, once again. You are a good man for pointing this out to me. I'm inconsolable at the moment.....:(
@@Isleofskye Good memory ios mate, ive heard this a few times ref to the Panorama being the second one made, do you know if it was ever aired ? or know someone who had a copy or have one ? shame with Harry Rip and Billy and few othersetc, A few wall lads have mentioned this other Panorama Doc, you saying villa is another bit of info "Give me a M" M Wubbleyou ha A different time a
i love the 'weapons' they always show in these documentaries i know knifes were used by some firms. I guess an axe was used by some nutter in the 70s on the vast majority of times nobody had /used weapons
@@jimgavin1726 I'm not a bigot mate, my grandad was an Irish catholic, all my cousins are catholic, nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry, so if someone wants to do me and I want to do them, why should I be embarrassed?
@rque 2 Ok Fads instead of HomeBase, then, but I stand by B&Q, as they had multiple stores by the end of the 70s. And now I will try and extricate myself from the Wikipedia spiral that you, yes you, sent me into, before the whole afternoon is lost to researching the origins of large chain UK retailers.
1965 man u ran down green STREET, west ham, smashed all shops windows etc on way to ground. That kicked it off big style. Next time west ham were waiting for them. Then Arsenal spurs etc. Fan segregation did not exist then. Up until late 80s you could go anywhere in a ground. Seating killed it. But man u started the whole thing off and were quickly followed by all clubs fans.
@@jameshatfield8410 your ignorance is stunning. I lived in east London then. Fans shared space in grounds. Man U started the trouble. End of. You wernt even born was you. Nor your parents. And what the ruck makes you think I was a man u can. . Learn to read in context of the words and their meaning. CLUE..criticism of man u......get it.
I can scrap but I try to run away from a man with a knife. Have never been cut up before but need a breeze block or a weapon to deal with nasty characters.
That sounds like it should be a timeless proverb. "Son, I dont have much to pass on to you, but I can tell you this, pay attention, son: NEVER.... bring a hairbrush to an axe fight"
I remember when man utd would row the cockney reds..back in the day.. R.I.P Denton the bear... Arsenal R.I.P Millwall... TINY R.I.P Big Bird... Birmingham city R.I.P one eye Baz Birmingham city... 🇯🇲🇬🇧💯❤️
@mickfoskett6629 well I must say man supporter..I disagree...even my dad has seen it back in the day...and he liked the reds when he came to London back in 1962 from Jamaica..maybe not all...but some have had disagreements...
@@jondarke5601 It wasn't murder that is a lie spread by the thatcher loving press. It was also Juventus fans and a wall that caused the deaths. They crushed their own fans getbthe fact straight.
@@ThePAULOPABLO Those Juve fans killed by the Liverpool fans weren't fans who travelled from Turin for the game but were in most part Italians living in Belgium. I love the way Thatcher always gets the blame for their own scummy behaviour
Today you have solicitors estate agents every walk of life I aint justifying violence its wrong but the reasons run deep its in our blood its the warrior gene where ever there are brits they will fight They like to fight you will never change it yes its wrong but you ask anyone of them theyll tell you they enjoy a battle Its no good slagging them off without looking into the reason they do it Throughout history all weve done is fight im 55 we as kids all has action men then everybody had a .22 air rifle we hunted small game and tin cans and bottles no one can tell me fighting is not in our blood We are a warrior nation history made is such We must look into why people fight but we can not stop it Think this are crews better fighting each other or beating up old ladies in the.street Again it is an outlet for agression Its no good saying join up or get gloves on it wont happen Fighting at football will never stop all you can do is look to why it happen I for one do not condone violence at football but i understand why it happens
But people did not die over hooliganism if you are refering to Hillsborough . Ok. The fences were there for that reason I agree but we all know the truth by now.
At 1.28, it's Cardiff. I recognise the 'Brains Beer' bridge as I live literally around the corner. This was Cardiff v Man U in 74' where there was considerable violence all day. The scene shows Man U's mob running back to the train station.
Thatcher’s quote is as follows “If you’re going to be a footballer - you’re going to earn far more than I do - (but ! I can guarantee that I’ll make sure most of it will be taken off you with massively high and unfair taxes !!”). As for the hooligan culture of the 70’s - I thought it was childish dangerous stupid and pathetic !! I was a member of Man Utd Supporters Club and regularly went to games where the threat of violence hung in the air - yet I had fucking nothing to do with it !! I avoided it like the fucking plague and hated the terrible reputation United supporters had for violence and fighting. I went cos I fucking loved watching my team play good football ⚽️ NOT to see fights and destruction of property etc etc. Just wanted to make that clear. Anyway that’s me so take it easy and stay cool 😎 ! Cheers 🍻.
As if man utd have ever had a hooligan culture,nice lefty dig at Thatcher though,she only became prime minister in 1979 thus missing practically all of the decades football hooliganism.
matthew findlay - thanx for your comment Mathew. Fair point on Thatcher missing a fair bit of the hooliganism - but she sure fucking made up for it with Hillsborough - a horrific disaster that was NOT caused by hooligan behaviour - just Liverpool supporters wanting to see their team in the semifinals of the FA Cup - then Duckinfield opened the exit gate causing 96 people to be crushed to death 💀 - then got practically pardoned and exonerated from any blame whatsoever - by the fucking Tories and the tabloids. A shameful event in the history of England 🏴!! Also of course United had a disgusting reputation - you are totally right - a lot of my mates were well into that shit - but me ? I told them to fuck off when they tried to get me involved - “yeah you go fighting - I’m gonna go play my guitar 🎸- which became my career and is still to this day - so I got my priorities right there I recon. All the best to you and your life - sending best wishes 👍 and peace ✌️. Later my friend.
Pretty good assessment remember 70's and 80's very well...united had numbers if you ran at em they would leg it; there were some serious firms about. Millwall, West Ham, Leeds, Stoke, Boro, Bristol City & Rovers, Cambridge had a field day against us (Went for scarfers though) to name but a few
@@cliveboulton2408 OK Clive respect your opinion but it is wrong, we always up turned not just at OT everywhere we went. We have been up the stretford we have been in the scouse kop and stayed for the duration of the game. We have run you countless times, numbers count for nothing when they are in the main silly little scarfer cunts. The only team with an untaken end partial or full to my knowledge is the gwladys street end. I have never seen you lot up the shed, you normally had enough to deal with from our north stand boys. Thought I would share this with you, it is not the 70's but the 80's, point is we turned up with thousands for a night game......we could not find you before or after the game ruclips.net/video/Ma0U7NtKPAI/видео.html
I seriously never got the idea of carrying a weopon..you didn't do this in my day. One bloke carried a tool one time well a Stanley knife. let the young really mash it up. can't see them doing any bette
The trouble with Leeds fans is they have a very slanted view when it comes to Man United (as I'm sure you well know). Back in the 70's and 80's United had a crew alright and one that came to Leeds as well as West Ham, Birmingham and Middlesbrough etc. But I do agree with you it was pure weight of numbers a lot of the time. Like many firms they had their good and bad days! By the way 'plastics' are normally people who gob it off in the work places and pubs but never actually go!
Even blackburn had a crew back in the day They got a mention on bbc doc millwall f troop a millwall guy said we dont like going to blackburn theyre animals Every club had a crew and everybody wanted to fight
@ 1.29 theres a scene what looks like man u fans running across the street at tudor rd, cardiff, is this the famous off from 74? is there anymore footage anywhere?
Buster Ruff keep telling yourself this and you start to believe it I suppose, it’s something a kid would say NOT A GROWN MAN FFS, come to Manchester and you will get a slap for talking shite like that you fucking clown
spot on from a Salford red. remember Newcastle smashing the gates out from the away end under K stand, then trying to get back in after they had seen what waiting for them across the forecourt after the match.
Newcastle came out the ground took the first right and ended up around the back of the dog and partridge' and took man u by surprise....stood your ground but our numbers did you in the end..
@@paulwhilton7197 Rangers did, around 73/74, run across the pitch and scattered the Stretford End, don't deny it, I was there. Rangers did the same to Villa, scattered the Holte End.
if you listen to the report , he was making a point every Saturday arrests were made from Ipswich to stoke , meaning it was not just man united supporters causing trouble. it was going off all over the country.
I was a 42-gamer back in the 70's. I'd say the trouble started for 2 main reasons: 1) Travelling Fans. For the first time in history fans would travel to other towns in large numbers. Because of the tribal traits of mankind this was always going to cause friction. Having caused havoc in other towns it then made its way into derby games. Travelling was not possible during the 5½ day working week when workers would knock off Saturday lunch time, have a pint and walk to the game. 2) TV Coverage. Fans could see and hear sounds from around the country and when violence was shown it would lead to more violence.
Salient points Garry. Sadly, I first saw hooliganism in the Mid 1960's at my Club, Millwall against both Blackburn and Carlisle and Huddersfield. By 1972 I went to Lloret on hols and met " Pas " and friends from Huddersfield who informed me he got beat up at Millwall on the way to the ground and at the ground and on the way out !......I had to do a great deal of re-assuring talking to avoid his retribution !
Sequel to that is that we got on famously with those Huddersfield fans and made detailed plans to visit them nefore we played 6 months later in 1973 and said our goodbyes that night. By co-incidence we bumped into them again on the other side of town the next night and they did not even remember us as they were now sober !
It was definitely down to the fact that travelling was made cheaper and easier so getting to those long distance away games that had been impossible to get to before were made accessible especially if you and your mates were working and could afford it
Middlesbroughs little town had a firm "Frontline" that was feared and respected by all decent firms, every book confirms the quality and how game the Boro lads were, and considering we are next to not one but two cities who believe each is better than the other, it's something when the little town outshines it's big brothers, respect to the original Frontline Crew, game as Fuk and Hard as Fuk, in equal measure they were a force to be reckoned with, just ask Cass Penent, Them days might be long gone but the stories are never far away
Lee Thistlethwaite respect from Blackpool fc we had a rite few boys in 80s with only 100 000 population when boro come to town back then we turned out had a go but got the runaround about 50 of em come in the south stand Bloomfield road and fair enough got wasted by us but got there backs to the fences they were up then and with blood pouring out of there faces they still were game lol then the police came in and spoiled it .
Lee Thistlethwaite yeah anything was fair game back in the day mate hard to explain what 80 s was like unless you were there home and away could of been anything round the corner or in a boozer lol amazing buzz tho .
AN ALMIGHTY LOL ! True and they regularly took 10,000......however in 1972 we at MILLWALL eagerly awaited their arrival en masse to the intimidating OLD Den and then the announcement came in the Stadium..." ManU trains stopped at Stockport"...45 years and we are STILL waiting...I am getting the distinct impression after 45 years that they are not going to show :) Update:October,2019.......still no sign of THe Red Army after 47 years....
i was at millwall that night and yes the specials were wrecked at stockport and they wouldn't take them any further...i was gutted but millwall had a great firm that night i left 15 mins from the end cos i knew what could be coming..respect to millwall but we should have done better👹
Sean Murray they r proberly the biggest bunch of cowards. Around clowns. Ostracised wankers. Asslicking. Retarded. Dim. Shits. Work it out brain a Britain
@@bluescousenilsatis absolute bullshit, everton always got battered at old trafford, but they were a good firm at goodison ill give em that, much better than there stinking red scouse neighbours LOL.
Thankfully I was a kid in the 70s and 80s otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone to some games. I saw some trouble but kids weren't a target thankfully
I'm trying my best to bring it back and upload vids to get the English youth into football hooliganism and to become nationalidlsts to protect their country.
The theory that hooliganism thrived because older men stopped going to games and youngsters were off the leash, is laughable. Leaving aside the generational bias of the old man/parent who made the video, the theory overlooks the anger in the first post-Empire generation to mature into an England (not Britain) that had a declining role in the world, the decay of old-world industries, rising unemployment and national humiliations like the IMF bailout. Punk happened at the same time. That wasn’t because Dad’s stopped taking their kids to concerts....
As a working class lad from the heart of South East London who knew of those fellow Millwall lads our " anger" was also due to the realisation even then that we would be a minority in London, which used to be 99% White/British within 30/40 years due to Black Guys having multiple children ( pickneys) by multiple women as is apparent now...
The guy is entirely correct. Kids used to go to football with their dads, they didn't any more and there were no older guys around to restrain them. It's the same with gang culture where too many kids don't have fathers and older blokes around to steer them straight.
Hooligan to some a town hero to others. Lets not forget everyone was losing their jobs, and the skilled crafts were dying off all we had was football, Subutio, and chips for tea. We were slowly transforming from manufacture economy to service, to tech, another arms race, it will keep the money flowing. Oh well i'll be dead soon enough. Lots of luck to ya's.
"They were publicly exposing themselves. And I mean really exposing themselves." BRILLIANT!!
MATRON!
HAVE A SHOCK TODAY DARLING ALL THIS TRANNY CRAP 😂😂😂
Football violence in the 80s became more sinister, you literally put your own life in your hands going to the match, every young lad wanted to be a football hooligan it was that cool, and the adrenaline was awesome
TV news and documentaries hypnotised young lads into it.
I got punched so hard once I woke up with a googoo cluster in my trousers.i was so dazed I then ate it
Women and kids started getting digs at games… fkn awful
Where is the different between the criminals today, we have a lot of idiots, stabber and rapists wo doing crimes just for fun
Being a Youth growing up in 70s & 80s, knowing we were only 4 mins away from Nuclear Armageddon is it a surprise we wanted to get drunk and fight likeminded people? Made a change from Politics and Poverty and War films on a Weekend afternoon TV followed by Antiques Roadshow & Songs of Praise
My 1st game was our Owl's v man utd at 12 years old I was a hooligan through the 70,s, 80,s 90,s and the 2,000 thousands, it was addictive, I travelled all over here and the world, retired now, I still go to watch Sheffield wednesday 🦉🍻🦉
First generation to not experience war, but we were brought up to believe that aggression, courage and the ability to fight were admirable qualities.
We were potential soldiers without a war.
Not too difficult to understand.
Well put
Very good point Dave.
Many of us lived with male family members who had ptsd from the Second World War! It’s not surprising that hooliganism was prevalent at the time.
My first game was in 1976 when I was 11. I'm ashamed to say I was swept along with it all until I realised just how foolish it was at the age of 21, haven't been to a football match since. Being young and impressionable I looked up to these people. Must say that the police didn't help, they inflamed it. I, myself, was beaten up by police at the age of 13. Saw them hitting people indiscriminately with their truncheons. One of my mates was held down on the floor whilst a policeman on horseback got the horse to back over his legs. I still have so many images in my head of the violence on all sides. The people that like to glorify those dark days are so sad. What team I supported is not important. Everyone was as bad as everyone else. Still have so much guilt for the things I did.
papatruss the cops loved it as much as the hoolies.
Aaaah Great days!
@Daphne Lynne true that
hey, at least you grew up!
"how foolish it was at the age of 21"
the truly ridiculous/foolish ones are thosewho are still doing it in their thirties and beyond
You are human. ..I did the same thing...forgive yourself...politicians stood by and laughed...and now broken britain...and not your fault...boris...whit.
I was live at Chorlton, Manchester in 1970’s which is middle between Maine Road and Old Trafford, seen many hooligans being chased & fights every Saturday. Scary that.
The 1st recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game occurred in the 1880s in England, In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs"
Harry the Dog
A legend
Considering the amount of print and video on the subject, that's the first time I heard the theory this presenter espouses. Before you laugh, it's fairly valid when you think about it. I completely forgot, despite the terracing that made grounds have larger capacities than they do today, that attendance had fallen. That vacuum of less dads and granddads is at least a unique take on it all.
The 1970s were very violent in general, TV news was Vietnam, Ireland, Baader-Meinhof Gang, none stop industrial action, mass picketing, cops totally out of control and no CCTV anywhere, if you ran away you got away with it, and football was part of the violence, back then you could get caught fighting in a ground and get thrown out then pay at another turnstile to get back in, I once argued with a gate Stewart that I got thrown out for no reason and he let me back in free. shoppers would clear the streets ready for when the game was about to end at 4-45, football grounds become a stage for young men to prove their self's, are grounds better now, I hope so, it was dark, damp, smelly, cold, brutal, and being treated like cattle is not fun, I blame the owners and cops, Hillsborough proved that, Hillsborough happened every weekend but no one usually died,
The football violence started in the late 1960s. Spurs went to Derby County in September 1969 when Dave Mackay was at Derby. They lost 5 goals to nil. Derby mates told me of the violence at and after the game. I was only 16 at the time and had just gone to Derby to work at Rolls Royce. Spurs fans on the way back to London wrecked the Football Special train and were turfed off near Luton. They then wrecked a village or two on the way back home.
Alan Ball would be the biggest super star now, a brilliant player...
My old man played against him when they were 12 he said you couldn't miss him with his red hair but also despite his size the best player on the pitch.
Blackpool fc were proud that he played for us as a world Cup winner.
'They even ransacked the Wolves club shop'. Now I hate football violence with a passion, but couldn't help laughing at that.
07:50, Interesting observation. I can recall in 1975 being in the 'Scratching Sheds' at Bloomfield Rd (Blackpool). We were in our mid teens and were being slowly and casually surrounded by a bunch of very aggressive Sunderland 'supposed' supporters. Then these men in their mid 30's to mid 40's all dressed in workman's clothes (in those days I guess they were builders straight from work via the chip shop) kind of started to group around us, telling us just to not react and be sensible. Seeing these men in their donkey jackets etc the Sunderland 'yobs' sidled away looking very shifty. I have never forgotten this.
We are Blackpool fc, fkuk em we did there was a famous fight with Sunderland away pool on roker beach.
As a Walsall supporter (streetender) that was the dress code, donkey jacket, jeans, dock Martin boots, & a Walsall silk scarf on your wrists, or tucked away so you could get in the home end at away matches.
Was this after Micky Walsh scored the winner?
At 0:52, a Ron Manager/Alec Stock-styled "Mmm, isn't it?" would have fit nicely. Marvelous.
Good to see Dave Hill of Slade getting interviewed by Maggie. Go on Dave... Give us a goal..!
Excellent tv show. I remember it well.
Really good - enjoyed watching that.
I was there i remember on the pitch aks a copper for help age 10 year's old he told me f off he ran too football was a nightmare back then from an old north banker
yea we were at old Trafford in January - it is now a library
Yes the stewards even show you to your seat now how woke the fun has gone forever you can't even stand up with out some jobsworth shouting you will be throw out
The appalling state of British stadia was a major factor in the breakdown in the 1970s. Many people would not attend them as the facilities were so bad. They were still largely Victorian.
Some of this footage is from the 80's. Some of the lads were wearing Fila BJ tracksuit tops.
Thought I noticed discrepancy
Then we later got Fila to make our kit. The size of club in 1000's we lead the way even more now when it matters, Hammers away take more than anyone. All it was and is, is recreational relief from nagging bird and work.
The late 70s were the heyday of mass uncontrolled violence. The 80s saw it become far more organised and direct. For me the 70s were the most dangerous, at times it was out of control madness.
I blame that horrible milk stealing bitch
Agreed, also when clubs such as Spurs And Manchester United got relegated in the 70's into the old division 2., the trouble appeared to get worse.
I assume you were NOT around. Football violence occured at my Club: Milwall from The Mid 1960's though the ground had been closed a few times b4 which was unheard of then.Other Clubs then followed suit. Thatcher came to power in 1979.
Stop being brainwashed .Thatcher believed in BRITAIN and gave the working class the chance to buy their own home while Labour wanted to control the people by keeping them indebted to them by giving them social housing...@ @@carbobritton
@@Isleofskye The right to buy is why we are in such a bad housing situation now. Councils are still forced to sell off your property at very low rates. Not only that, they only get a small fraction of that money to reinvest into social housing. Property prices have gone through the roof and so have rents. Homelessness is at an all time high. In Bristol, where I live now, normal working people are resorting to buying camper vans. That's people with jobs. Or moving to Newport, where the rents are still just about manageable. Thatchers Britain was built on greed and unsustainable.
I would suggest it was built on self-determination and aspiration. To try, as a working class Boy from ther rough and tough Old Kent Road near Millwall Football Club to study hard and achieve and , thus, be free and independent to buy your own property and NOT be reliant on The Nanny State but yourselves.
So that I would be responsible for my actions and not blame anyone else and reap any rewards that accompany that lifestyle.
So I DID study and attended an excellent working class Inner London Grammar School which "Good Old Labour-"Friends" of The Working Class" abolished so Working Class kids thereafter ,went to standard,very average secondary schools and stayed in Social housing (where still available ) and like sheep continued to be "controlled" either by working in Nationalised Industries or the local Council , with no competition or reduced to rely on Society or the local council for their housing needs .
Some of us broke free and escaped their evil clutches.@@papatruss
RIP Bobby Moore
Was a kinda fashion,tribal,your town/city versus another,taking their main end......made going to football really exciting,gave it that edge......great days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow.
I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol
Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
garden centres can be extremely dangerous at weekend,,,,,,,its tribal,,,,,some of us go to be part of the crowd, accepted by are neighbours and workmates,,,,,others are in to the potted plants, whilst a rival group may prefer the outdoor plants and wooden benches. It tends to kick off in the tea room around 4pm.
You werent around in the 70's were you?
Bonsai Bastard Crew are well respected!
Yes I had a bit of trouble at the DIY place at the weekend when someone asked if I wanted decking!
Yes, I remember these terrible times back in the 70's, every week there was hooligans spoiling the real fans day out & in some cases there were clubs who just let it happen. Nearly turned me away from the great game back then, thank God it's a safer place to gather these days ....
i liked it in the 80's open standing but the fighting stopped or was rare, my teams Newcastle, cheers
@@MacStoker Went to Man Utd at Newcastle in the 80s. Mirandinha was playing for you then, you were also improving the ground. Amazed by the noise and I stayed at the Swallowfield Hotel. Went out to the city centre that night and had a great time. Loved the Newcastle people since as your a friendly bunch. I was 19 at the time haha
7:08 Subterraneans by David Bowie
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow.
I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol
Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
@@Isleofskye Gwladys Street end Everton 1974..11 Millwall cut to ribbons, Street end scallies 100pc scouse and proud of it 💙
A City is known for thieving, Dickensian urchins even to this day, disasters, street crime and, while others are educating themselves, Scallies learn how to cut arteries, nerves, or muscles. Even a hatred for The Late Queen and England,i in general, no wonder, the City of Liverpool has always been poor. There is widespread deprivation and high retail vacancy rates in many high streets, where the city's residents are facing the prospect of spending more than a quarter of their lives in ill health.
What A Proud Tradition and Heritage even The Docks are now becoming clogged with sewage-polluted silt. See you in The Championship real soon.😀
And then sky took the game from the working class and gave it to the prawn sandwich brigade tried to make it a "family" game and priced the working man out of it.
My old boss was on that coach at 1:03. Initially, the Millwall fans had been doing nothing but chatting, smoking and playing cards. Not very exciting TV. The production team and film crew decided to jump start the procedings by making the coach drive around until they found a pub (this was before you could wander into an Off Licence early in the morning) willing to sell them a couple of crates of beer. Hey presto, instant football thuggery courtesy of the BBC and its expenses
This sounds very plausible.
Wish i could live through late 60s 70s and 80s
My pal used to shoot up vodka in the 80 s hes still living
Expensive though if you liked Groups. To see 3 of the best Bands in the World then: Led Zeppelin : Wembley Arena 1974. Pink Floyd @ Earls Court 1973 and Deep Purple at The Royal Albert Hall around that time cost a COMBINED......................£2...............£1 TO see Pink Floyd debut Dark Side Of The Moon. 75 PENCE to watch Zeppelin and 25 PENCE to watch Deep Purple............lol
Beware the hairbrush, it was used by Aunty Agnes, she would capture hooligans, brush their hair good and HARD whilst telling them off........THEN what every man fears - out comes the hanky for a public spit-wash!!!!! Hard as nails our Aunty Agnes - She never lost a fight! ...... Legend!
I suppose there was a sudden rise in violence at garden centres. old blokes tooled up with hedge clippers and hose pipes
But I watched a Pathe news reel of a 1952 match. So many older men. And they had the body language of MEN, restrained, controlled....they clapped and cheered, waved flags, that's all...and the younger men copied them.
Compare to the 80s. It's all young brickies, plasterers, estate agents..but the older men are gone. And the young men are acting like boys....little boys, I mean, jumping, shouting, fighting, making childish two~finger gestures, singing silly songs...not clever chants , just silly....little boys but unfortunately with height and muscle.
The old men arent in garden centres. They are ON THE DOLE. It's the men over 45 who cant find other jobs when ther factories closed. They can't afford to go to the football any more. Not even a terrace ticket.
Mayhem at the checkouts! Potted plants everywhere!
Brilliant video
You can't beat old 70s hooligan footage ! , ,,,,,,,
Being there was better than watching it on telly. .
_Aggravation Aggravation la la la_
Still waiting to see the footage.
funny how at the end it says against modern football which implies the maker of the video wants 1970s hooliganism back
Modern Football IS Rubbish
.... they've tried and still are trying to price the working man out of the game and into a pub to watch it on fuckin Sky tv or sat at home.
Pause at 2:17. Are my eyes deceiving me, or is Granny in the blue coat there getting involved in the action??
V Hayes yea she was face. One of Millwalls top boys. 😂
I did also catch what seemed to be the old dear getting stuck in lol
The Grannies always produced good firms back in the 70s. All gone now of course, bless ´em.
If they weren't at the footy they were causing havoc at the wrestling.
such a shame how the FA has killed english football. AMF!
Maybe this guy wants more fighting.
@@johnburns4017 Let's Ave it!
owned
FA sold out
When I saw the Sex Pistols and the Ramones in Hollywood in I believe it was 1977 as a sophomore highschooler who was tired of the establishment led zeppelin, journey, rock genre and Donna Summer disco direction I was playing soccer instead of traditional American football and had lots of street vices and I WISHED WE over across the pond had Hooliganism!!! Fanaticism is pure emotion.. Football fans will save the world! Go Ajax... Reds v Barca ..
1.45 friendly type hey, nice guy, he is what the game is about , fair play sportsmanship a quality fella.
tat was one of F troup Millwall top boy's at the time that's from n old football documentry
Chelsea fans that ran through innocent groups of people ( elderly folk, women and children) punching and kicking but not stopping! The bravado of a running mob of cowards!
Shut up
ZZZZZZZZ YOOO TUBE HOOLI
@jasenwright1178 they did the same to a train full of normal Everton fans at high street Kensington in the late 70s, they got relegated so Everton had to wait till a Friday night game in 1985 to gain revenge, Everton brought a total of 500 fans housed in a terrace designed to hold over 10 times that amount, what Chelsea didn't know that every one of them was a hate filled scally, many of them were aboard that train that the Chelsea cowards ran through, but that night in 85 was sweet revenge, a lot of the Everton were armed with Stanley's and flare guns, one of which was fired into the Chelsea dugout, Chelsea knew something was going to go off as the Everton scallies didn't even cheer when kevin richardson scored the winner, we weren't there for the football just revenge, and we got it,the police couldn't handle a mob of 500 scallies, Chelsea scattered everywhere, those who got caught got dealt with, some carved up at the hands of some of the Everton years before on that train, to this day I've still to see a mob as evil as the Everton lads that night..Everton fc we will never forget or forgive that afternoon at Kenny high street
Some of the stuff that happened was truly terrible and should never be repeated, but what a fuckin buzz it was supporting your team!
If it was still like this we wouldn't have been invaded like we have been.
Invaded by who?
@@DB-us6ke people who don't come from here....hence the word 'invasion'. That's specifically why I used the word invasion. The word invasion is the clearest and most concise way of explaining what has gone on.
Caractacus Potts you invaded 80% of the world seems tides are turning, hate to see it (not really )
@@DB-us6ke The Third World, mon ami......The Silent Invasion....My friend walked down Whitechapel in East London 2 weeks ago after an interview and passed endless people in the streets in n hour........and did not hear a single word of English spoken....
@@RoCK3rAD you idiot Marxist piece of filth. If we hadn't have 'invaded' the other countries they would still be shitting in holes in the ground and burning their widows. Genetically we are the best. We will without doubt weather this storm. The likes of your kind willing the demise of the uk based on some invader history fallacy can fuck right off.
" If some dirty northern ponce spits on me I will put a pint glass in his face ! " Bobby..
MILLWALL circa 1970's as was that coach avec Harry Le Chien....
I followed Millwall all over the Country then from Plymouth to Carlisle and 78 grounds in between. First game Sept.1962 and never once involved..though I DID have to think quickly on my feet on many occasions ! lol
Was that Harry the dog right at the start of this video?
Yes m8 @ 1'10 on the coach. Also @ 1'47 the "Pint glass over the northerners head" was Bobby of Millwall and the song at the very end about "When I was just a little boy,who should it be" came from the 2nd famous Pamorama Documentary on Millwall in the 1980's.The forgotten first one was M,illwall on their way to Villa in 1968 FA Cup 3rd Round/
@@Isleofskye The 2nd Panorama Documentary you refer to was in 1977.
No words can adequately express my remorse regarding my inexcusable error. I am mortified that I got to make such a Schoolboy error and I only try to crave your forgiveness for my brief moment of total complete and utter insanity in making this mistake. I have no excuses and I can
only apologise ,profusely, for my stupidity, once again. You are a good man for pointing this out to me. I'm inconsolable at the moment.....:(
@@Isleofskye Good memory ios mate, ive heard this a few times ref to the Panorama being the second one made, do you know if it was ever aired ? or know someone who had a copy or have one ? shame with Harry Rip and Billy and few othersetc, A few wall lads have mentioned this other Panorama Doc, you saying villa is another bit of info
"Give me a M" M Wubbleyou ha A different time a
i love the 'weapons' they always show in these documentaries
i know knifes were used by some firms. I guess an axe was used by some nutter in the 70s
on the vast majority of times nobody had /used weapons
Never go to Everton then?
hinge berr this shite sums your bigotry up. You might want to have a look in the mirror and see if you feel embarrassed.
@@deerhunter2218 aye !
@@jimgavin1726 ah don't think he was being that serious , aye !
@@jimgavin1726 I'm not a bigot mate, my grandad was an Irish catholic, all my cousins are catholic, nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry, so if someone wants to do me and I want to do them, why should I be embarrassed?
The Clash - What's my name
Lee
The good old days.
When the fans were to blame for the hooliganism...not the police.
B&Q and HomeBase have got a lot to answer for, it seems.
@rque 2 Ok Fads instead of HomeBase, then, but I stand by B&Q, as they had multiple stores by the end of the 70s. And now I will try and extricate myself from the Wikipedia spiral that you, yes you, sent me into, before the whole afternoon is lost to researching the origins of large chain UK retailers.
Leeds away - proper day out for us City lads
Good scrap then yeah?
@@Jon-LFC-163 better than getting slashed at Anfield by scouse cunts
MCFC went to Leeds away last season with west brom. Intimidating bunch to say the least lol
The Big Man gobshytes mate
MCFC certainly are mate, can see why no one likes them lol
1965 man u ran down green STREET, west ham, smashed all shops windows etc on way to ground. That kicked it off big style. Next time west ham were waiting for them. Then Arsenal spurs etc. Fan segregation did not exist then. Up until late 80s you could go anywhere in a ground. Seating killed it. But man u started the whole thing off and were quickly followed by all clubs fans.
haha Utd don't have any hooligan element, never have had, as if you started it, your clubs a complete joke
@@jameshatfield8410 your ignorance is stunning. I lived in east London then. Fans shared space in grounds. Man U started the trouble. End of. You wernt even born was you. Nor your parents. And what the ruck makes you think I was a man u can. . Learn to read in context of the words and their meaning. CLUE..criticism of man u......get it.
@@jameshatfield8410 man u don't have hooligan element what a joke man u allways had a top mob
James Hatfield
Try reading the “men in black”educate yourself.
The good old days before Sky and prawn sandwiches.
And you knew who played for who 😁
Never bring a hairbrush to an axe fight
Heheh. I love how they assumed it was a weapon. Surprising they didn't include sausage rolls.
@@stuartmiller7419 Most of the 'fans' look like they'd run a mile if you pulled a hairbrush out and tried to comb their scarecrow locks......
I can scrap but I try to run away from a man with a knife.
Have never been cut up before but need a breeze block or a weapon to deal with nasty characters.
That sounds like it should be a timeless proverb. "Son, I dont have much to pass on to you, but I can tell you this, pay attention, son: NEVER.... bring a hairbrush to an axe fight"
Who the fuck would Rob the Dingles FC corner shop
I remember when man utd would row the cockney reds..back in the day..
R.I.P Denton the bear... Arsenal
R.I.P Millwall... TINY
R.I.P Big Bird... Birmingham city
R.I.P one eye Baz Birmingham city...
🇯🇲🇬🇧💯❤️
Mate,your talking 💩..the mancs and the cockney reds were the backbone of United's firm..mostly unbeatable!👊🇪🇬👹
@mickfoskett6629 well I must say man supporter..I disagree...even my dad has seen it back in the day...and he liked the reds when he came to London back in 1962 from Jamaica..maybe not all...but some have had disagreements...
Funny how Liverpool supporters get vilified for Heysel but a lot of people glorify this era and revel in it, double standards.
Maybe because it wasn't the same, we didn't commit mass murder of scarfers???
@@jondarke5601 It wasn't murder that is a lie spread by the thatcher loving press. It was also Juventus fans and a wall that caused the deaths. They crushed their own fans getbthe fact straight.
@@ThePAULOPABLO Those Juve fans killed by the Liverpool fans weren't fans who travelled from Turin for the game but were in most part Italians living in Belgium. I love the way Thatcher always gets the blame for their own scummy behaviour
Yeah cos murder and fistycuffs are the same Yawn always the victims
Man United took no one to millwall 1973 74 season bottle job
Good old days. Went to a fight and a game broke out.
That women when they stood in the Street exposing themselves it took her 3 Hours to look away
😂😂😂
Today you have solicitors estate agents every walk of life
I aint justifying violence its wrong but the reasons run deep its in our blood its the warrior gene where ever there are brits they will fight
They like to fight you will never change it yes its wrong but you ask anyone of them theyll tell you they enjoy a battle
Its no good slagging them off without looking into the reason they do it
Throughout history all weve done is fight im 55 we as kids all has action men then everybody had a .22 air rifle we hunted small game and tin cans and bottles no one can tell me fighting is not in our blood
We are a warrior nation history made is such
We must look into why people fight but we can not stop it
Think this are crews better fighting each other or beating up old ladies in the.street
Again it is an outlet for agression
Its no good saying join up or get gloves on it wont happen
Fighting at football will never stop all you can do is look to why it happen
I for one do not condone violence at football but i understand why it happens
Let the boots reign and the batons reign down on the enemies heads
WTF , what DIY and Garden Centres ? They were not around in the 1970's
Maybe he's projecting something of his own (limited) experience into the equation in an effort to backward engineer answers.
Into: I think they were helping out Gordon Banks, because he managed Telford at the time?
the hoolies made footy what it is today. people die things had to change..
Jim, Weir Yep couldn't agree more. Too many people look back with rose coloured glasses and forget you could die just from going to a match.
But people did not die over hooliganism if you are refering to Hillsborough . Ok. The fences were there for that reason I agree but we all know the truth by now.
We had a brilliant manager. Brian clough and the FA didn’t want him
England's loss was forest's gain 👍
At 1.28, it's Cardiff. I recognise the 'Brains Beer' bridge as I live literally around the corner. This was Cardiff v Man U in 74' where there was considerable violence all day. The scene shows Man U's mob running back to the train station.
Yes and run they had to they met they're match that day
Well spotted.
Thatcher’s quote is as follows “If you’re going to be a footballer - you’re going to earn far more than I do - (but ! I can guarantee that I’ll make sure most of it will be taken off you with massively high and unfair taxes !!”). As for the hooligan culture of the 70’s - I thought it was childish dangerous stupid and pathetic !! I was a member of Man Utd Supporters Club and regularly went to games where the threat of violence hung in the air - yet I had fucking nothing to do with it !! I avoided it like the fucking plague and hated the terrible reputation United supporters had for violence and fighting. I went cos I fucking loved watching my team play good football ⚽️ NOT to see fights and destruction of property etc etc. Just wanted to make that clear. Anyway that’s me so take it easy and stay cool 😎 ! Cheers 🍻.
As if man utd have ever had a hooligan culture,nice lefty dig at Thatcher though,she only became prime minister in 1979 thus missing practically all of the decades football hooliganism.
matthew findlay - thanx for your comment Mathew. Fair point on Thatcher missing a fair bit of the hooliganism - but she sure fucking made up for it with Hillsborough - a horrific disaster that was NOT caused by hooligan behaviour - just Liverpool supporters wanting to see their team in the semifinals of the FA Cup - then Duckinfield opened the exit gate causing 96 people to be crushed to death 💀 - then got practically pardoned and exonerated from any blame whatsoever - by the fucking Tories and the tabloids. A shameful event in the history of England 🏴!! Also of course United had a disgusting reputation - you are totally right - a lot of my mates were well into that shit - but me ? I told them to fuck off when they tried to get me involved - “yeah you go fighting - I’m gonna go play my guitar 🎸- which became my career and is still to this day - so I got my priorities right there I recon. All the best to you and your life - sending best wishes 👍 and peace ✌️. Later my friend.
We should all rise up against the government.....power to the people
The 70s and 80s were very bad for football holigonism in this country and we led the way for the rest of Europe and the world to follow
Pretty good assessment remember 70's and 80's very well...united had numbers if you ran at em they would leg it; there were some serious firms about. Millwall, West Ham, Leeds, Stoke, Boro, Bristol City & Rovers, Cambridge had a field day against us (Went for scarfers though) to name but a few
CFC Steve
Not legged many times you fool, we swamped everyone’s ground , yet few away fans came to Old Trafford in the 70’s, FACT.
@@cliveboulton2408 OK Clive respect your opinion but it is wrong, we always up turned not just at OT everywhere we went. We have been up the stretford we have been in the scouse kop and stayed for the duration of the game.
We have run you countless times, numbers count for nothing when they are in the main silly little scarfer cunts.
The only team with an untaken end partial or full to my knowledge is the gwladys street end.
I have never seen you lot up the shed, you normally had enough to deal with from our north stand boys.
Thought I would share this with you, it is not the 70's but the 80's, point is we turned up with thousands for a night game......we could not find you before or after the game
ruclips.net/video/Ma0U7NtKPAI/видео.html
@s m Yeah it detais beating up Rangers scarfers and women and kids, the MiB must be ever so proud the coward fuckers
@s m Your link mate read the comments. I go to Ibrox a fair bit and we all know what happened, the first link you sent
CFC Steve
Your memory tells me you weren’t really there mate, let’s agree to disagree. The past is past.Not arsed debating the issue. Forza FCUM.
Were the dayz when people used to go to football to watch football. Such a shame!!!!!!
I agree! Weapons are for cowards!
I seriously never got the idea of carrying a weopon..you didn't do this in my day. One bloke carried a tool one time well a Stanley knife. let the young really mash it up. can't see them doing any bette
He's clearly not a brummy, and he'd be a yammy at any rate
The trouble with Leeds fans is they have a very slanted view when it comes to Man United (as I'm sure you well know). Back in the 70's and 80's United had a crew alright and one that came to Leeds as well as West Ham, Birmingham and Middlesbrough etc. But I do agree with you it was pure weight of numbers a lot of the time. Like many firms they had their good and bad days!
By the way 'plastics' are normally people who gob it off in the work places and pubs but never actually go!
Even blackburn had a crew back in the day
They got a mention on bbc doc millwall f troop a millwall guy said we dont like going to blackburn theyre animals
Every club had a crew and everybody wanted to fight
Man U and Leeds were good at vandalism and bullying.
Alcohol. Never overlook its role.
Imagine this lot had to go to war! They would shit a brick and run a mile.
like Dunkirk??? ;)
My dad used to go and see wolves in the 50s and 60s but he stopped when the Braindead brigade took over as he used to call them
I haven't heard 'Wolverhampton Wanderers' and 'Pride of the Midlands' in the same sentence for a long time
Since the halcyon days of Sir Billy Wright !
It was a good draw for wolves
i like wolves but were not the Zulus the best
chriswba05170 Easily the best team in the Midlands now.
I think that comment by the chris the baggie will very soon haunt him. The wolves are at the door and about to smash it down lad 👌
@ 1.29 theres a scene what looks like man u fans running across the street at tudor rd, cardiff, is this the famous off from 74? is there anymore footage anywhere?
So that's what a Man Utd fan from Manchester looks like? I always wondered.
Ha Ha ,its impossible to find one from Manchester now days ,
have a walk round salford in the local pubs an slag utd off see how u get on .
Buster Ruff keep telling yourself this and you start to believe it I suppose, it’s something a kid would say NOT A GROWN MAN FFS, come to Manchester and you will get a slap for talking shite like that you fucking clown
I'm facking Milwall
The good old days 🤗
spot on from a Salford red.
remember Newcastle smashing the gates out from the away end under K stand, then trying to get back in after they had seen what waiting for them across the forecourt after the match.
i was at that game 84
I'm a red went to that game geordie brought good following but come no one ever took o t
Newcastle came out the ground took the first right and ended up around the back of the dog and partridge' and took man u by surprise....stood your ground but our numbers did you in the end..
@@paulwhilton7197 Rangers did, around 73/74, run across the pitch and scattered the Stretford End, don't deny it, I was there. Rangers did the same to Villa, scattered the Holte End.
fa didnt kill football sky sports did video killed the terraces star
Good old days! Ha ha!
santana with the opening song!
if you listen to the report , he was making a point every Saturday arrests were made from Ipswich to stoke , meaning it was not just man united supporters causing trouble. it was going off all over the country.
Pretty sure your average United supporter at the time lived in either Ipswich or Stoke.
The good old days
Hang on, because older generation started going to garden centres instead of the game, football hooliganism took off? What sort of bollocks is this?
I was a 42-gamer back in the 70's. I'd say the trouble started for 2 main reasons:
1) Travelling Fans. For the first time in history fans would travel to other towns in large numbers. Because of the tribal traits of mankind this was always going to cause friction. Having caused havoc in other towns it then made its way into derby games. Travelling was not possible during the 5½ day working week when workers would knock off Saturday lunch time, have a pint and walk to the game.
2) TV Coverage. Fans could see and hear sounds from around the country and when violence was shown it would lead to more violence.
Salient points Garry.
Sadly, I first saw hooliganism in the Mid 1960's at my Club, Millwall against both Blackburn and Carlisle and Huddersfield. By 1972 I went to Lloret on hols and met " Pas " and friends from Huddersfield who informed me he got beat up at Millwall on the way to the ground and at the ground and on the way out !......I had to do a great deal of re-assuring talking to avoid his retribution !
Sequel to that is that we got on famously with those Huddersfield fans and made detailed plans to visit them nefore we played 6 months later in 1973 and said our goodbyes that night. By co-incidence we bumped into them again on the other side of town the next night and they did not even remember us as they were now sober !
Fair enough, some interesting posts on here, cheers
It was definitely down to the fact that travelling was made cheaper and easier so getting to those long distance away games that had been impossible to get to before were made accessible especially if you and your mates were working and could afford it
Middlesbroughs little town had a firm "Frontline" that was feared and respected by all decent firms, every book confirms the quality and how game the Boro lads were, and considering we are next to not one but two cities who believe each is better than the other, it's something when the little town outshines it's big brothers, respect to the original Frontline Crew, game as Fuk and Hard as Fuk, in equal measure they were a force to be reckoned with, just ask Cass Penent,
Them days might be long gone but the stories are never far away
I second that and I'm spurs. Too many people on YT from clubs who live in dream land when it comes to the 70's and 80's. Loads of respect for Boro
Lee Thistlethwaite respect from Blackpool fc we had a rite few boys in 80s with only 100 000 population when boro come to town back then we turned out had a go but got the runaround about 50 of em come in the south stand Bloomfield road and fair enough got wasted by us but got there backs to the fences they were up then and with blood pouring out of there faces they still were game lol then the police came in and spoiled it .
mick harrison Respect Mate, was a "two of them 4 one of us" is fair mentality back then, lol offit
Brick Abat Respect Mate, those in the know, "Know" the truth, the rest just dream and type as if its gospel lol,
Lee Thistlethwaite yeah anything was fair game back in the day mate hard to explain what 80 s was like unless you were there home and away could of been anything round the corner or in a boozer lol amazing buzz tho .
'Raw tribal aggression' - well we are an island race, fighting has kinda shaped Britain over centuries
AN ALMIGHTY LOL ! True and they regularly took 10,000......however in
1972 we at MILLWALL eagerly awaited their arrival en masse to the
intimidating OLD Den and then the announcement came in the Stadium..."
ManU trains stopped at Stockport"...45 years and we are STILL
waiting...I am getting the distinct impression after 45 years that they
are not going to show :)
Update:October,2019.......still no sign of THe Red Army after 47 years....
isleofskye, have you ever had a girlfriend?
i was at millwall that night and yes the specials were wrecked at stockport and they wouldn't take them any further...i was gutted but millwall had a great firm that night i left 15 mins from the end cos i knew what could be coming..respect to millwall but we should have done better👹
spot the dick heads
Yes but she disappointed me. I bit her and she flew out of the window ! Very Strange :(
Cheers Mick so it WAS true ! Thanks, my friend...
man utd have never been the most feared
Sean Murray they r proberly the biggest bunch of cowards. Around clowns. Ostracised wankers. Asslicking. Retarded. Dim. Shits. Work it out brain a Britain
Behave nobody came to Old Trafford before police escorts everyone shit it.
absolutely , spot on
@@Bri-254 Behave. Everton showed every season and walked back after the game.. Utd had numbers but we still ran you down Chester Rd and White City
@@bluescousenilsatis absolute bullshit, everton always got battered at old trafford, but they were a good firm at goodison ill give em that, much better than there stinking red scouse neighbours LOL.
Never underestimate the absolute stupidity of a football hooligan.
they stood in the street exposing themselfs,the next week all the women from work turned up to visit me at 2.45 pm,cant think why.
Thankfully I was a kid in the 70s and 80s otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone to some games. I saw some trouble but kids weren't a target thankfully
Hopefully coming back to the U.K. soon
I'm trying my best to bring it back and upload vids to get the English youth into football hooliganism and to become nationalidlsts to protect their country.
Wolverhampton's subway Army! Yam yam aye ...
Those were the days my friend always wolves 1968 until I go 🐺⚽️👍
The theory that hooliganism thrived because older men stopped going to games and youngsters were off the leash, is laughable. Leaving aside the generational bias of the old man/parent who made the video, the theory overlooks the anger in the first post-Empire generation to mature into an England (not Britain) that had a declining role in the world, the decay of old-world industries, rising unemployment and national humiliations like the IMF bailout. Punk happened at the same time. That wasn’t because Dad’s stopped taking their kids to concerts....
As a working class lad from the heart of South East London who knew of those fellow Millwall lads our " anger" was also due to the realisation even then that we would be a minority in London, which used to be 99% White/British within 30/40 years due to Black Guys having multiple children ( pickneys) by multiple women as is apparent now...
The guy is entirely correct. Kids used to go to football with their dads, they didn't any more and there were no older guys around to restrain them. It's the same with gang culture where too many kids don't have fathers and older blokes around to steer them straight.
The ignominy of Brotherhood of Man winning Eurovision.
Hooligan to some a town hero to others. Lets not forget everyone was losing their jobs, and the skilled crafts were dying off all we had was football, Subutio, and chips for tea. We were slowly transforming from manufacture economy to service, to tech, another arms race, it will keep the money flowing. Oh well i'll be dead soon enough. Lots of luck to ya's.
1970's and 80's the good ol'days