Football violence in the 80s became more sinister, you literally put your own life in your hands going to the match, every young lad wanted to be a football hooligan it was that cool, and the adrenaline was awesome
True, I joined the forces in the 80's to instill some discipline and get me away from football violence. It worked, as my involvement saw a massive decrease...I was only able to take part when I was on leave 🤣
The 1st recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game occurred in the 1880s in England, In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs"
My first game was in 1976 when I was 11. I'm ashamed to say I was swept along with it all until I realised just how foolish it was at the age of 21, haven't been to a football match since. Being young and impressionable I looked up to these people. Must say that the police didn't help, they inflamed it. I, myself, was beaten up by police at the age of 13. Saw them hitting people indiscriminately with their truncheons. One of my mates was held down on the floor whilst a policeman on horseback got the horse to back over his legs. I still have so many images in my head of the violence on all sides. The people that like to glorify those dark days are so sad. What team I supported is not important. Everyone was as bad as everyone else. Still have so much guilt for the things I did.
hey, at least you grew up! "how foolish it was at the age of 21" the truly ridiculous/foolish ones are thosewho are still doing it in their thirties and beyond
You are human. ..I did the same thing...forgive yourself...politicians stood by and laughed...and now broken britain...and not your fault...boris...whit.
I was live at Chorlton, Manchester in 1970’s which is middle between Maine Road and Old Trafford, seen many hooligans being chased & fights every Saturday. Scary that.
First generation to not experience war, but we were brought up to believe that aggression, courage and the ability to fight were admirable qualities. We were potential soldiers without a war. Not too difficult to understand.
Being a Youth growing up in 70s & 80s, knowing we were only 4 mins away from Nuclear Armageddon is it a surprise we wanted to get drunk and fight likeminded people? Made a change from Politics and Poverty and War films on a Weekend afternoon TV followed by Antiques Roadshow & Songs of Praise
Considering the amount of print and video on the subject, that's the first time I heard the theory this presenter espouses. Before you laugh, it's fairly valid when you think about it. I completely forgot, despite the terracing that made grounds have larger capacities than they do today, that attendance had fallen. That vacuum of less dads and granddads is at least a unique take on it all.
The 1970s were very violent in general, TV news was Vietnam, Ireland, Baader-Meinhof Gang, none stop industrial action, mass picketing, cops totally out of control and no CCTV anywhere, if you ran away you got away with it, and football was part of the violence, back then you could get caught fighting in a ground and get thrown out then pay at another turnstile to get back in, I once argued with a gate Stewart that I got thrown out for no reason and he let me back in free. shoppers would clear the streets ready for when the game was about to end at 4-45, football grounds become a stage for young men to prove their self's, are grounds better now, I hope so, it was dark, damp, smelly, cold, brutal, and being treated like cattle is not fun, I blame the owners and cops, Hillsborough proved that, Hillsborough happened every weekend but no one usually died,
Was a kinda fashion,tribal,your town/city versus another,taking their main end......made going to football really exciting,gave it that edge......great days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
Yes the stewards even show you to your seat now how woke the fun has gone forever you can't even stand up with out some jobsworth shouting you will be throw out
My old man played against him when they were 12 he said you couldn't miss him with his red hair but also despite his size the best player on the pitch.
07:50, Interesting observation. I can recall in 1975 being in the 'Scratching Sheds' at Bloomfield Rd (Blackpool). We were in our mid teens and were being slowly and casually surrounded by a bunch of very aggressive Sunderland 'supposed' supporters. Then these men in their mid 30's to mid 40's all dressed in workman's clothes (in those days I guess they were builders straight from work via the chip shop) kind of started to group around us, telling us just to not react and be sensible. Seeing these men in their donkey jackets etc the Sunderland 'yobs' sidled away looking very shifty. I have never forgotten this.
As a Walsall supporter (streetender) that was the dress code, donkey jacket, jeans, dock Martin boots, & a Walsall silk scarf on your wrists, or tucked away so you could get in the home end at away matches.
@@jondarke5601 It wasn't murder that is a lie spread by the thatcher loving press. It was also Juventus fans and a wall that caused the deaths. They crushed their own fans getbthe fact straight.
@@ThePAULOPABLO Those Juve fans killed by the Liverpool fans weren't fans who travelled from Turin for the game but were in most part Italians living in Belgium. I love the way Thatcher always gets the blame for their own scummy behaviour
garden centres can be extremely dangerous at weekend,,,,,,,its tribal,,,,,some of us go to be part of the crowd, accepted by are neighbours and workmates,,,,,others are in to the potted plants, whilst a rival group may prefer the outdoor plants and wooden benches. It tends to kick off in the tea room around 4pm.
The late 70s were the heyday of mass uncontrolled violence. The 80s saw it become far more organised and direct. For me the 70s were the most dangerous, at times it was out of control madness.
I assume you were NOT around. Football violence occured at my Club: Milwall from The Mid 1960's though the ground had been closed a few times b4 which was unheard of then.Other Clubs then followed suit. Thatcher came to power in 1979. Stop being brainwashed .Thatcher believed in BRITAIN and gave the working class the chance to buy their own home while Labour wanted to control the people by keeping them indebted to them by giving them social housing...@ @@carbobritton
@@Isleofskye The right to buy is why we are in such a bad housing situation now. Councils are still forced to sell off your property at very low rates. Not only that, they only get a small fraction of that money to reinvest into social housing. Property prices have gone through the roof and so have rents. Homelessness is at an all time high. In Bristol, where I live now, normal working people are resorting to buying camper vans. That's people with jobs. Or moving to Newport, where the rents are still just about manageable. Thatchers Britain was built on greed and unsustainable.
I would suggest it was built on self-determination and aspiration. To try, as a working class Boy from ther rough and tough Old Kent Road near Millwall Football Club to study hard and achieve and , thus, be free and independent to buy your own property and NOT be reliant on The Nanny State but yourselves. So that I would be responsible for my actions and not blame anyone else and reap any rewards that accompany that lifestyle. So I DID study and attended an excellent working class Inner London Grammar School which "Good Old Labour-"Friends" of The Working Class" abolished so Working Class kids thereafter ,went to standard,very average secondary schools and stayed in Social housing (where still available ) and like sheep continued to be "controlled" either by working in Nationalised Industries or the local Council , with no competition or reduced to rely on Society or the local council for their housing needs . Some of us broke free and escaped their evil clutches.@@papatruss
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow. I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
Yes, I remember these terrible times back in the 70's, every week there was hooligans spoiling the real fans day out & in some cases there were clubs who just let it happen. Nearly turned me away from the great game back then, thank God it's a safer place to gather these days ....
@@Tacsmoker Went to Man Utd at Newcastle in the 80s. Mirandinha was playing for you then, you were also improving the ground. Amazed by the noise and I stayed at the Swallowfield Hotel. Went out to the city centre that night and had a great time. Loved the Newcastle people since as your a friendly bunch. I was 19 at the time haha
The appalling state of British stadia was a major factor in the breakdown in the 1970s. Many people would not attend them as the facilities were so bad. They were still largely Victorian.
@ 1.29 theres a scene what looks like man u fans running across the street at tudor rd, cardiff, is this the famous off from 74? is there anymore footage anywhere?
Then we later got Fila to make our kit. The size of club in 1000's we lead the way even more now when it matters, Hammers away take more than anyone. All it was and is, is recreational relief from nagging bird and work.
i love the 'weapons' they always show in these documentaries i know knifes were used by some firms. I guess an axe was used by some nutter in the 70s on the vast majority of times nobody had /used weapons
@@jimgavin1726 I'm not a bigot mate, my grandad was an Irish catholic, all my cousins are catholic, nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry, so if someone wants to do me and I want to do them, why should I be embarrassed?
" If some dirty northern ponce spits on me I will put a pint glass in his face ! " Bobby.. MILLWALL circa 1970's as was that coach avec Harry Le Chien.... I followed Millwall all over the Country then from Plymouth to Carlisle and 78 grounds in between. First game Sept.1962 and never once involved..though I DID have to think quickly on my feet on many occasions ! lol
Yes m8 @ 1'10 on the coach. Also @ 1'47 the "Pint glass over the northerners head" was Bobby of Millwall and the song at the very end about "When I was just a little boy,who should it be" came from the 2nd famous Pamorama Documentary on Millwall in the 1980's.The forgotten first one was M,illwall on their way to Villa in 1968 FA Cup 3rd Round/
No words can adequately express my remorse regarding my inexcusable error. I am mortified that I got to make such a Schoolboy error and I only try to crave your forgiveness for my brief moment of total complete and utter insanity in making this mistake. I have no excuses and I can only apologise ,profusely, for my stupidity, once again. You are a good man for pointing this out to me. I'm inconsolable at the moment.....:(
@@Isleofskye Good memory ios mate, ive heard this a few times ref to the Panorama being the second one made, do you know if it was ever aired ? or know someone who had a copy or have one ? shame with Harry Rip and Billy and few othersetc, A few wall lads have mentioned this other Panorama Doc, you saying villa is another bit of info "Give me a M" M Wubbleyou ha A different time a
But I watched a Pathe news reel of a 1952 match. So many older men. And they had the body language of MEN, restrained, controlled....they clapped and cheered, waved flags, that's all...and the younger men copied them. Compare to the 80s. It's all young brickies, plasterers, estate agents..but the older men are gone. And the young men are acting like boys....little boys, I mean, jumping, shouting, fighting, making childish two~finger gestures, singing silly songs...not clever chants , just silly....little boys but unfortunately with height and muscle. The old men arent in garden centres. They are ON THE DOLE. It's the men over 45 who cant find other jobs when ther factories closed. They can't afford to go to the football any more. Not even a terrace ticket.
Expensive though if you liked Groups. To see 3 of the best Bands in the World then: Led Zeppelin : Wembley Arena 1974. Pink Floyd @ Earls Court 1973 and Deep Purple at The Royal Albert Hall around that time cost a COMBINED......................£2...............£1 TO see Pink Floyd debut Dark Side Of The Moon. 75 PENCE to watch Zeppelin and 25 PENCE to watch Deep Purple............lol
@rque 2 Ok Fads instead of HomeBase, then, but I stand by B&Q, as they had multiple stores by the end of the 70s. And now I will try and extricate myself from the Wikipedia spiral that you, yes you, sent me into, before the whole afternoon is lost to researching the origins of large chain UK retailers.
Pretty good assessment remember 70's and 80's very well...united had numbers if you ran at em they would leg it; there were some serious firms about. Millwall, West Ham, Leeds, Stoke, Boro, Bristol City & Rovers, Cambridge had a field day against us (Went for scarfers though) to name but a few
@@cliveboulton2408 OK Clive respect your opinion but it is wrong, we always up turned not just at OT everywhere we went. We have been up the stretford we have been in the scouse kop and stayed for the duration of the game. We have run you countless times, numbers count for nothing when they are in the main silly little scarfer cunts. The only team with an untaken end partial or full to my knowledge is the gwladys street end. I have never seen you lot up the shed, you normally had enough to deal with from our north stand boys. Thought I would share this with you, it is not the 70's but the 80's, point is we turned up with thousands for a night game......we could not find you before or after the game ruclips.net/video/Ma0U7NtKPAI/видео.html
is there any more depressing sight than trying to have a quiet pre-match pint near the ground and half listening to some guy in his late forties, still wearing fred perry, now stretched over his fat beer belly, banging on about awaydays like he is still a "lad".
Millwall brick / Pompey cosh - one and the same thing: a newspaper folded tightly again and again until you have a hard, angular wedge in your hand. This was also taught to army squaddies.
When I saw the Sex Pistols and the Ramones in Hollywood in I believe it was 1977 as a sophomore highschooler who was tired of the establishment led zeppelin, journey, rock genre and Donna Summer disco direction I was playing soccer instead of traditional American football and had lots of street vices and I WISHED WE over across the pond had Hooliganism!!! Fanaticism is pure emotion.. Football fans will save the world! Go Ajax... Reds v Barca ..
But people did not die over hooliganism if you are refering to Hillsborough . Ok. The fences were there for that reason I agree but we all know the truth by now.
spot on from a Salford red. remember Newcastle smashing the gates out from the away end under K stand, then trying to get back in after they had seen what waiting for them across the forecourt after the match.
Newcastle came out the ground took the first right and ended up around the back of the dog and partridge' and took man u by surprise....stood your ground but our numbers did you in the end..
@@paulwhilton7197 Rangers did, around 73/74, run across the pitch and scattered the Stretford End, don't deny it, I was there. Rangers did the same to Villa, scattered the Holte End.
I can scrap but I try to run away from a man with a knife. Have never been cut up before but need a breeze block or a weapon to deal with nasty characters.
That sounds like it should be a timeless proverb. "Son, I dont have much to pass on to you, but I can tell you this, pay attention, son: NEVER.... bring a hairbrush to an axe fight"
i wont be too sure bwt that last season organised fight happened between the banned milwall fans from our ground and burnley lads not far from stadium and same happened away at milwall other than that just fights in big games nwt major though
Thankfully I was a kid in the 70s and 80s otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone to some games. I saw some trouble but kids weren't a target thankfully
People always ask why did clubs allow them in the ground. At the time attendance at most clubs was so low they needed the money from the gate to stay alive.
1965 man u ran down green STREET, west ham, smashed all shops windows etc on way to ground. That kicked it off big style. Next time west ham were waiting for them. Then Arsenal spurs etc. Fan segregation did not exist then. Up until late 80s you could go anywhere in a ground. Seating killed it. But man u started the whole thing off and were quickly followed by all clubs fans.
@@jameshatfield8410 your ignorance is stunning. I lived in east London then. Fans shared space in grounds. Man U started the trouble. End of. You wernt even born was you. Nor your parents. And what the ruck makes you think I was a man u can. . Learn to read in context of the words and their meaning. CLUE..criticism of man u......get it.
I have love Man Utd all my life, the last time I went to a match was 1970, Man Utd v Bloody dirty Leeds. The team were dirty, the fans were so indescribable I'll not bother.
Today you have solicitors estate agents every walk of life I aint justifying violence its wrong but the reasons run deep its in our blood its the warrior gene where ever there are brits they will fight They like to fight you will never change it yes its wrong but you ask anyone of them theyll tell you they enjoy a battle Its no good slagging them off without looking into the reason they do it Throughout history all weve done is fight im 55 we as kids all has action men then everybody had a .22 air rifle we hunted small game and tin cans and bottles no one can tell me fighting is not in our blood We are a warrior nation history made is such We must look into why people fight but we can not stop it Think this are crews better fighting each other or beating up old ladies in the.street Again it is an outlet for agression Its no good saying join up or get gloves on it wont happen Fighting at football will never stop all you can do is look to why it happen I for one do not condone violence at football but i understand why it happens
Modern Football IS Rubbish .... they've tried and still are trying to price the working man out of the game and into a pub to watch it on fuckin Sky tv or sat at home.
At 1.28, it's Cardiff. I recognise the 'Brains Beer' bridge as I live literally around the corner. This was Cardiff v Man U in 74' where there was considerable violence all day. The scene shows Man U's mob running back to the train station.
@@DB-us6ke people who don't come from here....hence the word 'invasion'. That's specifically why I used the word invasion. The word invasion is the clearest and most concise way of explaining what has gone on.
@@DB-us6ke The Third World, mon ami......The Silent Invasion....My friend walked down Whitechapel in East London 2 weeks ago after an interview and passed endless people in the streets in n hour........and did not hear a single word of English spoken....
@@RoCK3rAD you idiot Marxist piece of filth. If we hadn't have 'invaded' the other countries they would still be shitting in holes in the ground and burning their widows. Genetically we are the best. We will without doubt weather this storm. The likes of your kind willing the demise of the uk based on some invader history fallacy can fuck right off.
Millwall's F troop (named after a row of the terrace where they stood at the old den in the 70's) were chanting, " Stab stab stab the bastard stab stab stab the bastard" on the mini bus.
Sean Murray they r proberly the biggest bunch of cowards. Around clowns. Ostracised wankers. Asslicking. Retarded. Dim. Shits. Work it out brain a Britain
@@bluescousenilsatis absolute bullshit, everton always got battered at old trafford, but they were a good firm at goodison ill give em that, much better than there stinking red scouse neighbours LOL.
Beware the hairbrush, it was used by Aunty Agnes, she would capture hooligans, brush their hair good and HARD whilst telling them off........THEN what every man fears - out comes the hanky for a public spit-wash!!!!! Hard as nails our Aunty Agnes - She never lost a fight! ...... Legend!
Chelsea fans that ran through innocent groups of people ( elderly folk, women and children) punching and kicking but not stopping! The bravado of a running mob of cowards!
I went to see Leeds Utd in 1975 as I was a fan, my first football game, and I could not believe it, I nearly got hit by a glass bottle from one of the fans in the Cop of Leeds Utd, and it hit a lad in front of me, cutting his head open. This is not "the beautiful game". I never went to a football match again.
I seriously never got the idea of carrying a weopon..you didn't do this in my day. One bloke carried a tool one time well a Stanley knife. let the young really mash it up. can't see them doing any bette
no not at all i understand fully its no longer in its prime as it was in the 70s and 80s however small scale organised hooliganism is still about trust me i know very well
I'm trying my best to bring it back and upload vids to get the English youth into football hooliganism and to become nationalidlsts to protect their country.
I remember when man utd would row the cockney reds..back in the day.. R.I.P Denton the bear... Arsenal R.I.P Millwall... TINY R.I.P Big Bird... Birmingham city R.I.P one eye Baz Birmingham city... 🇯🇲🇬🇧💯❤️
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Football violence in the 80s became more sinister, you literally put your own life in your hands going to the match, every young lad wanted to be a football hooligan it was that cool, and the adrenaline was awesome
TV news and documentaries hypnotised young lads into it.
I got punched so hard once I woke up with a googoo cluster in my trousers.i was so dazed I then ate it
True, I joined the forces in the 80's to instill some discipline and get me away from football violence. It worked, as my involvement saw a massive decrease...I was only able to take part when I was on leave 🤣
Women and kids started getting digs at games… fkn awful
Where is the different between the criminals today, we have a lot of idiots, stabber and rapists wo doing crimes just for fun
"They were publicly exposing themselves. And I mean really exposing themselves." BRILLIANT!!
MATRON!
Really good - enjoyed watching that.
The 1st recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game occurred in the 1880s in England, In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs"
My first game was in 1976 when I was 11. I'm ashamed to say I was swept along with it all until I realised just how foolish it was at the age of 21, haven't been to a football match since. Being young and impressionable I looked up to these people. Must say that the police didn't help, they inflamed it. I, myself, was beaten up by police at the age of 13. Saw them hitting people indiscriminately with their truncheons. One of my mates was held down on the floor whilst a policeman on horseback got the horse to back over his legs. I still have so many images in my head of the violence on all sides. The people that like to glorify those dark days are so sad. What team I supported is not important. Everyone was as bad as everyone else. Still have so much guilt for the things I did.
papatruss the cops loved it as much as the hoolies.
Aaaah Great days!
@Daphne Lynne true that
hey, at least you grew up!
"how foolish it was at the age of 21"
the truly ridiculous/foolish ones are thosewho are still doing it in their thirties and beyond
You are human. ..I did the same thing...forgive yourself...politicians stood by and laughed...and now broken britain...and not your fault...boris...whit.
I was live at Chorlton, Manchester in 1970’s which is middle between Maine Road and Old Trafford, seen many hooligans being chased & fights every Saturday. Scary that.
First generation to not experience war, but we were brought up to believe that aggression, courage and the ability to fight were admirable qualities.
We were potential soldiers without a war.
Not too difficult to understand.
Well put
Very good point Dave.
Many of us lived with male family members who had ptsd from the Second World War! It’s not surprising that hooliganism was prevalent at the time.
Being a Youth growing up in 70s & 80s, knowing we were only 4 mins away from Nuclear Armageddon is it a surprise we wanted to get drunk and fight likeminded people? Made a change from Politics and Poverty and War films on a Weekend afternoon TV followed by Antiques Roadshow & Songs of Praise
Good to see Dave Hill of Slade getting interviewed by Maggie. Go on Dave... Give us a goal..!
Considering the amount of print and video on the subject, that's the first time I heard the theory this presenter espouses. Before you laugh, it's fairly valid when you think about it. I completely forgot, despite the terracing that made grounds have larger capacities than they do today, that attendance had fallen. That vacuum of less dads and granddads is at least a unique take on it all.
Excellent tv show. I remember it well.
Brilliant video
Harry the Dog
A legend
The 1970s were very violent in general, TV news was Vietnam, Ireland, Baader-Meinhof Gang, none stop industrial action, mass picketing, cops totally out of control and no CCTV anywhere, if you ran away you got away with it, and football was part of the violence, back then you could get caught fighting in a ground and get thrown out then pay at another turnstile to get back in, I once argued with a gate Stewart that I got thrown out for no reason and he let me back in free. shoppers would clear the streets ready for when the game was about to end at 4-45, football grounds become a stage for young men to prove their self's, are grounds better now, I hope so, it was dark, damp, smelly, cold, brutal, and being treated like cattle is not fun, I blame the owners and cops, Hillsborough proved that, Hillsborough happened every weekend but no one usually died,
that was great cheers
Was a kinda fashion,tribal,your town/city versus another,taking their main end......made going to football really exciting,gave it that edge......great days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow.
I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol
Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
yea we were at old Trafford in January - it is now a library
Yes the stewards even show you to your seat now how woke the fun has gone forever you can't even stand up with out some jobsworth shouting you will be throw out
Alan Ball would be the biggest super star now, a brilliant player...
My old man played against him when they were 12 he said you couldn't miss him with his red hair but also despite his size the best player on the pitch.
Blackpool fc were proud that he played for us as a world Cup winner.
07:50, Interesting observation. I can recall in 1975 being in the 'Scratching Sheds' at Bloomfield Rd (Blackpool). We were in our mid teens and were being slowly and casually surrounded by a bunch of very aggressive Sunderland 'supposed' supporters. Then these men in their mid 30's to mid 40's all dressed in workman's clothes (in those days I guess they were builders straight from work via the chip shop) kind of started to group around us, telling us just to not react and be sensible. Seeing these men in their donkey jackets etc the Sunderland 'yobs' sidled away looking very shifty. I have never forgotten this.
We are Blackpool fc, fkuk em we did there was a famous fight with Sunderland away pool on roker beach.
As a Walsall supporter (streetender) that was the dress code, donkey jacket, jeans, dock Martin boots, & a Walsall silk scarf on your wrists, or tucked away so you could get in the home end at away matches.
Was this after Micky Walsh scored the winner?
7:08 Subterraneans by David Bowie
'They even ransacked the Wolves club shop'. Now I hate football violence with a passion, but couldn't help laughing at that.
RIP Bobby Moore
At 0:52, a Ron Manager/Alec Stock-styled "Mmm, isn't it?" would have fit nicely. Marvelous.
Funny how Liverpool supporters get vilified for Heysel but a lot of people glorify this era and revel in it, double standards.
Maybe because it wasn't the same, we didn't commit mass murder of scarfers???
@@jondarke5601 It wasn't murder that is a lie spread by the thatcher loving press. It was also Juventus fans and a wall that caused the deaths. They crushed their own fans getbthe fact straight.
@@ThePAULOPABLO Those Juve fans killed by the Liverpool fans weren't fans who travelled from Turin for the game but were in most part Italians living in Belgium. I love the way Thatcher always gets the blame for their own scummy behaviour
Yeah cos murder and fistycuffs are the same Yawn always the victims
Man United took no one to millwall 1973 74 season bottle job
garden centres can be extremely dangerous at weekend,,,,,,,its tribal,,,,,some of us go to be part of the crowd, accepted by are neighbours and workmates,,,,,others are in to the potted plants, whilst a rival group may prefer the outdoor plants and wooden benches. It tends to kick off in the tea room around 4pm.
You werent around in the 70's were you?
Bonsai Bastard Crew are well respected!
The late 70s were the heyday of mass uncontrolled violence. The 80s saw it become far more organised and direct. For me the 70s were the most dangerous, at times it was out of control madness.
I blame that horrible milk stealing bitch
Agreed, also when clubs such as Spurs And Manchester United got relegated in the 70's into the old division 2., the trouble appeared to get worse.
I assume you were NOT around. Football violence occured at my Club: Milwall from The Mid 1960's though the ground had been closed a few times b4 which was unheard of then.Other Clubs then followed suit. Thatcher came to power in 1979.
Stop being brainwashed .Thatcher believed in BRITAIN and gave the working class the chance to buy their own home while Labour wanted to control the people by keeping them indebted to them by giving them social housing...@ @@carbobritton
@@Isleofskye The right to buy is why we are in such a bad housing situation now. Councils are still forced to sell off your property at very low rates. Not only that, they only get a small fraction of that money to reinvest into social housing. Property prices have gone through the roof and so have rents. Homelessness is at an all time high. In Bristol, where I live now, normal working people are resorting to buying camper vans. That's people with jobs. Or moving to Newport, where the rents are still just about manageable. Thatchers Britain was built on greed and unsustainable.
I would suggest it was built on self-determination and aspiration. To try, as a working class Boy from ther rough and tough Old Kent Road near Millwall Football Club to study hard and achieve and , thus, be free and independent to buy your own property and NOT be reliant on The Nanny State but yourselves.
So that I would be responsible for my actions and not blame anyone else and reap any rewards that accompany that lifestyle.
So I DID study and attended an excellent working class Inner London Grammar School which "Good Old Labour-"Friends" of The Working Class" abolished so Working Class kids thereafter ,went to standard,very average secondary schools and stayed in Social housing (where still available ) and like sheep continued to be "controlled" either by working in Nationalised Industries or the local Council , with no competition or reduced to rely on Society or the local council for their housing needs .
Some of us broke free and escaped their evil clutches.@@papatruss
1970's and 80's the good ol'days
First Millwall away game outside London v Portsmouth 30th November, 1968 . Exactly 51 years ago tomorrow.
I was wondering would The Lions turn up. Parked the car 1/2 mile from Fratton Park and I could hear them inside the ground from the car ! lol
Got in the old end and there were Millwall occupying both the up and down sections of the 2-tier home stand singing " Knees Up Mother Brown"....:) As always away we lost , 3/0 on this occasion.....
Yes, I remember these terrible times back in the 70's, every week there was hooligans spoiling the real fans day out & in some cases there were clubs who just let it happen. Nearly turned me away from the great game back then, thank God it's a safer place to gather these days ....
i liked it in the 80's open standing but the fighting stopped or was rare, my teams Newcastle, cheers
@@Tacsmoker Went to Man Utd at Newcastle in the 80s. Mirandinha was playing for you then, you were also improving the ground. Amazed by the noise and I stayed at the Swallowfield Hotel. Went out to the city centre that night and had a great time. Loved the Newcastle people since as your a friendly bunch. I was 19 at the time haha
The appalling state of British stadia was a major factor in the breakdown in the 1970s. Many people would not attend them as the facilities were so bad. They were still largely Victorian.
1.45 friendly type hey, nice guy, he is what the game is about , fair play sportsmanship a quality fella.
tat was one of F troup Millwall top boy's at the time that's from n old football documentry
@ 1.29 theres a scene what looks like man u fans running across the street at tudor rd, cardiff, is this the famous off from 74? is there anymore footage anywhere?
Some of this footage is from the 80's. Some of the lads were wearing Fila BJ tracksuit tops.
Thought I noticed discrepancy
Then we later got Fila to make our kit. The size of club in 1000's we lead the way even more now when it matters, Hammers away take more than anyone. All it was and is, is recreational relief from nagging bird and work.
i love the 'weapons' they always show in these documentaries
i know knifes were used by some firms. I guess an axe was used by some nutter in the 70s
on the vast majority of times nobody had /used weapons
Never go to Everton then?
hinge berr this shite sums your bigotry up. You might want to have a look in the mirror and see if you feel embarrassed.
@@deerhunter2218 aye !
@@jimgavin1726 ah don't think he was being that serious , aye !
@@jimgavin1726 I'm not a bigot mate, my grandad was an Irish catholic, all my cousins are catholic, nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry, so if someone wants to do me and I want to do them, why should I be embarrassed?
good afternoon! I could say no as it is called the song on the video?
santana with the opening song!
" If some dirty northern ponce spits on me I will put a pint glass in his face ! " Bobby..
MILLWALL circa 1970's as was that coach avec Harry Le Chien....
I followed Millwall all over the Country then from Plymouth to Carlisle and 78 grounds in between. First game Sept.1962 and never once involved..though I DID have to think quickly on my feet on many occasions ! lol
Was that Harry the dog right at the start of this video?
Yes m8 @ 1'10 on the coach. Also @ 1'47 the "Pint glass over the northerners head" was Bobby of Millwall and the song at the very end about "When I was just a little boy,who should it be" came from the 2nd famous Pamorama Documentary on Millwall in the 1980's.The forgotten first one was M,illwall on their way to Villa in 1968 FA Cup 3rd Round/
@@Isleofskye The 2nd Panorama Documentary you refer to was in 1977.
No words can adequately express my remorse regarding my inexcusable error. I am mortified that I got to make such a Schoolboy error and I only try to crave your forgiveness for my brief moment of total complete and utter insanity in making this mistake. I have no excuses and I can
only apologise ,profusely, for my stupidity, once again. You are a good man for pointing this out to me. I'm inconsolable at the moment.....:(
@@Isleofskye Good memory ios mate, ive heard this a few times ref to the Panorama being the second one made, do you know if it was ever aired ? or know someone who had a copy or have one ? shame with Harry Rip and Billy and few othersetc, A few wall lads have mentioned this other Panorama Doc, you saying villa is another bit of info
"Give me a M" M Wubbleyou ha A different time a
I suppose there was a sudden rise in violence at garden centres. old blokes tooled up with hedge clippers and hose pipes
But I watched a Pathe news reel of a 1952 match. So many older men. And they had the body language of MEN, restrained, controlled....they clapped and cheered, waved flags, that's all...and the younger men copied them.
Compare to the 80s. It's all young brickies, plasterers, estate agents..but the older men are gone. And the young men are acting like boys....little boys, I mean, jumping, shouting, fighting, making childish two~finger gestures, singing silly songs...not clever chants , just silly....little boys but unfortunately with height and muscle.
The old men arent in garden centres. They are ON THE DOLE. It's the men over 45 who cant find other jobs when ther factories closed. They can't afford to go to the football any more. Not even a terrace ticket.
Mayhem at the checkouts! Potted plants everywhere!
MIB yes feared know one, went on a few away days with them
Wish i could live through late 60s 70s and 80s
My pal used to shoot up vodka in the 80 s hes still living
Expensive though if you liked Groups. To see 3 of the best Bands in the World then: Led Zeppelin : Wembley Arena 1974. Pink Floyd @ Earls Court 1973 and Deep Purple at The Royal Albert Hall around that time cost a COMBINED......................£2...............£1 TO see Pink Floyd debut Dark Side Of The Moon. 75 PENCE to watch Zeppelin and 25 PENCE to watch Deep Purple............lol
B&Q and HomeBase have got a lot to answer for, it seems.
@rque 2 Ok Fads instead of HomeBase, then, but I stand by B&Q, as they had multiple stores by the end of the 70s. And now I will try and extricate myself from the Wikipedia spiral that you, yes you, sent me into, before the whole afternoon is lost to researching the origins of large chain UK retailers.
Good old days! Ha ha!
Great days oh yeah .
what is the name of the song that appears in the video and is about manchester united?
Pretty good assessment remember 70's and 80's very well...united had numbers if you ran at em they would leg it; there were some serious firms about. Millwall, West Ham, Leeds, Stoke, Boro, Bristol City & Rovers, Cambridge had a field day against us (Went for scarfers though) to name but a few
CFC Steve
Not legged many times you fool, we swamped everyone’s ground , yet few away fans came to Old Trafford in the 70’s, FACT.
@@cliveboulton2408 OK Clive respect your opinion but it is wrong, we always up turned not just at OT everywhere we went. We have been up the stretford we have been in the scouse kop and stayed for the duration of the game.
We have run you countless times, numbers count for nothing when they are in the main silly little scarfer cunts.
The only team with an untaken end partial or full to my knowledge is the gwladys street end.
I have never seen you lot up the shed, you normally had enough to deal with from our north stand boys.
Thought I would share this with you, it is not the 70's but the 80's, point is we turned up with thousands for a night game......we could not find you before or after the game
ruclips.net/video/Ma0U7NtKPAI/видео.html
@s m Yeah it detais beating up Rangers scarfers and women and kids, the MiB must be ever so proud the coward fuckers
@s m Your link mate read the comments. I go to Ibrox a fair bit and we all know what happened, the first link you sent
CFC Steve
Your memory tells me you weren’t really there mate, let’s agree to disagree. The past is past.Not arsed debating the issue. Forza FCUM.
is there any more depressing sight than trying to have a quiet pre-match pint near the ground and half listening to some guy in his late forties, still wearing fred perry, now stretched over his fat beer belly, banging on about awaydays like he is still a "lad".
What is the name of the original TV show this clip was taken from? Was it made by the BBC?
...knives, scissors and i believe i saw a brush on that picture!!:)
Millwall brick / Pompey cosh - one and the same thing: a newspaper folded tightly again and again until you have a hard, angular wedge in your hand. This was also taught to army squaddies.
You can't beat old 70s hooligan footage ! , ,,,,,,,
Being there was better than watching it on telly. .
_Aggravation Aggravation la la la_
Still waiting to see the footage.
When I saw the Sex Pistols and the Ramones in Hollywood in I believe it was 1977 as a sophomore highschooler who was tired of the establishment led zeppelin, journey, rock genre and Donna Summer disco direction I was playing soccer instead of traditional American football and had lots of street vices and I WISHED WE over across the pond had Hooliganism!!! Fanaticism is pure emotion.. Football fans will save the world! Go Ajax... Reds v Barca ..
Some of the stuff that happened was truly terrible and should never be repeated, but what a fuckin buzz it was supporting your team!
The Clash - What's my name
Lee
the hoolies made footy what it is today. people die things had to change..
Jim, Weir Yep couldn't agree more. Too many people look back with rose coloured glasses and forget you could die just from going to a match.
But people did not die over hooliganism if you are refering to Hillsborough . Ok. The fences were there for that reason I agree but we all know the truth by now.
such a shame how the FA has killed english football. AMF!
Maybe this guy wants more fighting.
@@johnburns4017 Let's Ave it!
owned
The good old days 🤗
He's clearly not a brummy, and he'd be a yammy at any rate
spot on from a Salford red.
remember Newcastle smashing the gates out from the away end under K stand, then trying to get back in after they had seen what waiting for them across the forecourt after the match.
i was at that game 84
I'm a red went to that game geordie brought good following but come no one ever took o t
Newcastle came out the ground took the first right and ended up around the back of the dog and partridge' and took man u by surprise....stood your ground but our numbers did you in the end..
@@paulwhilton7197 Rangers did, around 73/74, run across the pitch and scattered the Stretford End, don't deny it, I was there. Rangers did the same to Villa, scattered the Holte End.
Never bring a hairbrush to an axe fight
Heheh. I love how they assumed it was a weapon. Surprising they didn't include sausage rolls.
@@stuartmiller7419 Most of the 'fans' look like they'd run a mile if you pulled a hairbrush out and tried to comb their scarecrow locks......
I can scrap but I try to run away from a man with a knife.
Have never been cut up before but need a breeze block or a weapon to deal with nasty characters.
That sounds like it should be a timeless proverb. "Son, I dont have much to pass on to you, but I can tell you this, pay attention, son: NEVER.... bring a hairbrush to an axe fight"
como es el nombre de la canción que aparece en este vídeo !
i wont be too sure bwt that last season organised fight happened between the banned milwall fans from our ground and burnley lads not far from stadium and same happened away at milwall other than that just fights in big games nwt major though
Pause at 2:17. Are my eyes deceiving me, or is Granny in the blue coat there getting involved in the action??
V Hayes yea she was face. One of Millwalls top boys. 😂
I did also catch what seemed to be the old dear getting stuck in lol
The Grannies always produced good firms back in the 70s. All gone now of course, bless ´em.
If they weren't at the footy they were causing havoc at the wrestling.
The good old days.
When the fans were to blame for the hooliganism...not the police.
Thankfully I was a kid in the 70s and 80s otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone to some games. I saw some trouble but kids weren't a target thankfully
People always ask why did clubs allow them in the ground. At the time attendance at most clubs was so low they needed the money from the gate to stay alive.
1965 man u ran down green STREET, west ham, smashed all shops windows etc on way to ground. That kicked it off big style. Next time west ham were waiting for them. Then Arsenal spurs etc. Fan segregation did not exist then. Up until late 80s you could go anywhere in a ground. Seating killed it. But man u started the whole thing off and were quickly followed by all clubs fans.
haha Utd don't have any hooligan element, never have had, as if you started it, your clubs a complete joke
@@jameshatfield8410 your ignorance is stunning. I lived in east London then. Fans shared space in grounds. Man U started the trouble. End of. You wernt even born was you. Nor your parents. And what the ruck makes you think I was a man u can. . Learn to read in context of the words and their meaning. CLUE..criticism of man u......get it.
@@jameshatfield8410 man u don't have hooligan element what a joke man u allways had a top mob
James Hatfield
Try reading the “men in black”educate yourself.
I have love Man Utd all my life, the last time I went to a match was 1970, Man Utd v Bloody dirty Leeds. The team were dirty, the fans were so indescribable I'll not bother.
Glad to hear it..... super Leeds.
could you translate his comment at 1:46? Something about weight loss?
Were the dayz when people used to go to football to watch football. Such a shame!!!!!!
We should all rise up against the government.....power to the people
Today you have solicitors estate agents every walk of life
I aint justifying violence its wrong but the reasons run deep its in our blood its the warrior gene where ever there are brits they will fight
They like to fight you will never change it yes its wrong but you ask anyone of them theyll tell you they enjoy a battle
Its no good slagging them off without looking into the reason they do it
Throughout history all weve done is fight im 55 we as kids all has action men then everybody had a .22 air rifle we hunted small game and tin cans and bottles no one can tell me fighting is not in our blood
We are a warrior nation history made is such
We must look into why people fight but we can not stop it
Think this are crews better fighting each other or beating up old ladies in the.street
Again it is an outlet for agression
Its no good saying join up or get gloves on it wont happen
Fighting at football will never stop all you can do is look to why it happen
I for one do not condone violence at football but i understand why it happens
can someone tell the name of this documentary?
funny how at the end it says against modern football which implies the maker of the video wants 1970s hooliganism back
Modern Football IS Rubbish
.... they've tried and still are trying to price the working man out of the game and into a pub to watch it on fuckin Sky tv or sat at home.
At 1.28, it's Cardiff. I recognise the 'Brains Beer' bridge as I live literally around the corner. This was Cardiff v Man U in 74' where there was considerable violence all day. The scene shows Man U's mob running back to the train station.
Yes and run they had to they met they're match that day
Well spotted.
Am a jock but fair play English mobs where pretty crazy most of them in the 70s/80s
Big Billy Baw Bag.
@@starofdavid9919 - LOL
Let the boots reign and the batons reign down on the enemies heads
My dad used to go and see wolves in the 50s and 60s but he stopped when the Braindead brigade took over as he used to call them
fa didnt kill football sky sports did video killed the terraces star
If it was still like this we wouldn't have been invaded like we have been.
Invaded by who?
@@DB-us6ke people who don't come from here....hence the word 'invasion'. That's specifically why I used the word invasion. The word invasion is the clearest and most concise way of explaining what has gone on.
Caractacus Potts you invaded 80% of the world seems tides are turning, hate to see it (not really )
@@DB-us6ke The Third World, mon ami......The Silent Invasion....My friend walked down Whitechapel in East London 2 weeks ago after an interview and passed endless people in the streets in n hour........and did not hear a single word of English spoken....
@@RoCK3rAD you idiot Marxist piece of filth. If we hadn't have 'invaded' the other countries they would still be shitting in holes in the ground and burning their widows. Genetically we are the best. We will without doubt weather this storm. The likes of your kind willing the demise of the uk based on some invader history fallacy can fuck right off.
what were they chanting in the beggining ?
Millwall's F troop (named after a row of the terrace where they stood at the old den in the 70's) were chanting, " Stab stab stab the bastard stab stab stab the bastard" on the mini bus.
Didn't see a metal comb there always had man in my wranglers
If you come to Plymouth
And if you come by train
You better buy a single
Coz you won’t go home again!
Great chants!
I'd rather go to Bognor.
Lethal place Plymouth your right !
Lots of scraps with Plymouth at Bristol rovers way back in the 70s Plymouth have done well since those days ,the days of the original skinheads
Don't cry
Don't sigh
Take a Dr Marten in the eye.....
man utd have never been the most feared
Sean Murray they r proberly the biggest bunch of cowards. Around clowns. Ostracised wankers. Asslicking. Retarded. Dim. Shits. Work it out brain a Britain
Behave nobody came to Old Trafford before police escorts everyone shit it.
absolutely , spot on
@@Bri-254 Behave. Everton showed every season and walked back after the game.. Utd had numbers but we still ran you down Chester Rd and White City
@@bluescousenilsatis absolute bullshit, everton always got battered at old trafford, but they were a good firm at goodison ill give em that, much better than there stinking red scouse neighbours LOL.
Leeds away - proper day out for us City lads
Good scrap then yeah?
@@Kev-england32 better than getting slashed at Anfield by scouse cunts
MCFC went to Leeds away last season with west brom. Intimidating bunch to say the least lol
The Big Man gobshytes mate
MCFC certainly are mate, can see why no one likes them lol
Beware the hairbrush, it was used by Aunty Agnes, she would capture hooligans, brush their hair good and HARD whilst telling them off........THEN what every man fears - out comes the hanky for a public spit-wash!!!!! Hard as nails our Aunty Agnes - She never lost a fight! ...... Legend!
Chelsea fans that ran through innocent groups of people ( elderly folk, women and children) punching and kicking but not stopping! The bravado of a running mob of cowards!
Shut up
I went to see Leeds Utd in 1975 as I was a fan, my first football game, and I could not believe it, I nearly got hit by a glass bottle from one of the fans in the Cop of Leeds Utd, and it hit a lad in front of me, cutting his head open. This is not "the beautiful game". I never went to a football match again.
Lovely bit of Pink Floyd from 02:40
Yeah, I too was good-surprised when I heard it ! :)
Thanks to console me I'm not alone to have noticed the song, and to be a Pink Floyd fan !
WTF , what DIY and Garden Centres ? They were not around in the 1970's
Maybe he's projecting something of his own (limited) experience into the equation in an effort to backward engineer answers.
I haven't heard 'Wolverhampton Wanderers' and 'Pride of the Midlands' in the same sentence for a long time
Since the halcyon days of Sir Billy Wright !
It was a good draw for wolves
i like wolves but were not the Zulus the best
chriswba05170 Easily the best team in the Midlands now.
I think that comment by the chris the baggie will very soon haunt him. The wolves are at the door and about to smash it down lad 👌
This is what happens when your country stops the call up, stops hanging, and the cane in school.
Most of those in this were no doubt caned at school
ps...are you cardiff or chelsea?..or one of those who changed teams every week👹
You were showing a lot of rangers and celtic clips even though it says england in the title
Emphasising a point which went over your head.
'Raw tribal aggression' - well we are an island race, fighting has kinda shaped Britain over centuries
I agree! Weapons are for cowards!
I seriously never got the idea of carrying a weopon..you didn't do this in my day. One bloke carried a tool one time well a Stanley knife. let the young really mash it up. can't see them doing any bette
no not at all i understand fully its no longer in its prime as it was in the 70s and 80s however small scale organised hooliganism is still about trust me i know very well
That women when they stood in the Street exposing themselves it took her 3 Hours to look away
😂😂😂
Hopefully coming back to the U.K. soon
I'm trying my best to bring it back and upload vids to get the English youth into football hooliganism and to become nationalidlsts to protect their country.
they stood in the street exposing themselfs,the next week all the women from work turned up to visit me at 2.45 pm,cant think why.
I remember when man utd would row the cockney reds..back in the day..
R.I.P Denton the bear... Arsenal
R.I.P Millwall... TINY
R.I.P Big Bird... Birmingham city
R.I.P one eye Baz Birmingham city...
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Would that be Newcastle Brown Ale?