Why is football violence increasing? A talkSPORT & The Times investigation
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- talkSPORT went undercover with @TheTimes reporter Matt Lawton at Nottingham Forest's FA Cup tie against Leicester City to reveal the shocking truth driving increases in disorder.
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Picking a derby to do a report about football violence is like going to Las Vegas to do a report about gambling addiction
Nottingham don't even hate Leicester, that's the bizarre thing. They hate Derby.
😂😂😂😂 you’re a fool. 👍🏽
Perfect so see what really happens
Embarrasing police, the worst thing that happens at football is a couple punches thrown, should use resources elsewhere tackling real crime.
@@frankypearcey8650 wake up you fool. And you bring your kids to see this at football games
I’ve never really had a problem with two groups meeting up and having a ruck. It’s almost just human nature for some to do it. When they start attacking innocent people and public areas though it’s just cowardly bullying. No coincidence loads of them are bowling about in Stone Island jackets thinking they’re top boys, when they’ve probably never thrown a punch in their life. Embarrassing.
Anyone getting involved now is mad, CCTV everywhere, banning orders, passports confiscated, jobs lost. It ain’t the 80s £50 fine and dumped outside a train station after the last train has left.
@@declanshanahan3888 I’m in my 40s now so I’d be embarrassed to get into any sort of trouble these days. It amazes me there are people in their 40 and 50s getting in fights doing gear in the toilets. Grow up for fucks sake.
@@GlassHouse80 sounds like an average Tuesday night in Somercotes that does 😂🍻
@@GlassHouse80 what ever age is embarrassing
@@nomad6389 most of the lads at football who I knew who were firm were chaps with no real issues an had birds jobs the lot. Passionate fans who love there club.
150 lads hit the town centre and you "dont know how they got there" laughable
4 years ago, Mark Blyth forecast that football hooliganism would rise due to economic and political turmoil. Looks like he was right.
A throwback to the 70s and 80s!
spot on
two fingers to the establishment and all that margaret thatcher back then and boris nowadays.
Over crowded island
Mark Blyth is quite easy on the ear in his podcasts. His book angrynomics probably touched on this.
As the Romans would say "panem et circenses"
Unemployment is on the rise, low wages, low prospects. Football violence usually seems to follow ...
Unemployment is on the decrease. You couldn’t even be bothered to google before writing this 😂😂
@@covcraig88 it isn't, the manipulation of the figures is on the increase!
@@greasby1golf871 As is the manipulation of the reasons for the increase in match day aggro.
Stone Island !!
You never heard of Casual Culture? The clothes, the travel. Can’t do a lot of that being unemployed regularly.
Gang related crime in London goes on everyday , killings stabbing robberies , how about making a documentary about that .
Oh no let’s go down the football hooligans road again, 99% is just bravado and insults , some ridiculous damage I agree but not stabbing or killings
There’s literally 100s of documentaries on London crime already..
Well said fella
Their “TalkSport” not Panorama ..
@@jezcorrigan651it’s they’re not their… and they’re talking about a sports related issue.. what’s that got to do with panorama? Talk sport don’t always talk about the actual match, half the time it’s issues around the game in general..
@@General12300 it’s “And” and “What’s” if we’re playing that game. And I was backing your argument …
Get an empty warehouse, open the shutters up at both ends and let the mongs at it. Shut the doors and forget about them.
Natural selection
They would be too cowardly for that. For most, it's pavement dancing!!
I remember the 80s.
Today is Like a tea party.
Spot on mate the 80s were mad had some bad and good rumbles county road cutters E.F.C
Definitely, Scotland especially
You should have tried the 70s if you thought the 80s was bad!
First of all wouldn’t it be beneficial to define what police and media class violence as now compared to the past before saying the figures show increases.
It’s easy to manipulate numbers if you change definitions.
Clearly it escalated at that forest game. If you don't consider that a violent act then you have issues.
@@sharingiscaring1952 totally agree but unfortunately when you have in essence a derby were the teams haven’t played each other for years after 1.5 years of lockdown frustration what do you expect,
Especially when they have seen other “groups” get away with anti social behaviour and nothing is done because they claim “historical injustice” or any other victimisation claim.
True.
... an increase in bouncing around with a nose full of idiot-powder 😂
the violence today is miniscule compared to the 70s and 80s .. surley
It's nothing compared to the 80s. Some games I honestly didn't know if I would make it home. Saw people beaten to a pulp, stabbed, hit in the face with bottles. Used to go home with pounds worth of coins, there were so many thrown. :-) Today is nothing.
In another cities is worse
Nothing to be proud of
@@EuanMcG islike tofay in london Paris or Berlin, who need hooligans if we have gangmembers, Terror or nogo areas with out of controll and rapes
Why? 2 years away from stadiums/pubs has reignited passion and increased alcohol fueled scraps. Excitement is back in football
Don't exaggerate i don't know anyone who hasn't been in a pub for two years. That closed for a few months twice in the last to years the majority of the time they were open
Go football, have a drink, have a line, sounds like a great day. Police seem to be moaning that they have to do their job. If this happens once a year ffs not that bad is it.
Sounds great to me too and I'm not even a football fan
pretty sure normal football fans aren;t into cocaine, it seems to me that its mostly just hooligans looking to stir up trouble.
😂
Yeah but it might spoil middle aged middle class Journo's prawn sandwiches which is unacceptable.
People like you are part of the problem. Normalising sniffing dirty white powder up your nose 🤢🤢. Have a drink smoke a spliff and enjoy the game and maybe try fighting for something actually matters
The country is on its knees, it’s a form of social deprivation, we have been told what we can and can’t do for several years. these are people want to express their frustration with the system and the flawed society we currently live in, one rule for one… it’s no coincidence football violence has been rising over the last 2 years.
What a load of socialistic clap trap! ‘These people want to express their frustration at a flawed society’. Really? You really believe that drivel? 🙄
‘Social deprivation?’ Whilst in their ‘Stone Island’ coats. Give me a break! 😂
You are just making excuses whilst they can behave like idiots and spoil football for everyone else at the same time.
Good point
Lol
Coked up teenagers that have seen green street and football factory thinking they’re bad is what it is
A big reason for the rise in hooliganism is because of the pent up feelings after lockdown and when hooligans get a foothold it feeds into itself.Also video blogs fuel violence too.
Shut up you complete fucking moron. Anyone involved in this is a scumbag who needs locking up permanently.
@@Md-ji3qo don't you get it:some people like to fight. It's part of working class culture. Growing up in Bermondsey in the 50s how well you could fight mattered more than how important your dad's job was or how good your school report was. Nobody chooses the environment that they are born into or the natural talents they're born with if you're born with looks or brains you can use them to get on in life.if you don't have these but can fight, that's what you have to go with. If these talents get spotted and channelled in the right direction they can end up living rich successful lives
I don't believe football violence has significantly increased or decreased in recent years its just a case of how much the press decides to report on it. I live in Bermondsey so Millwall are my local team I regularly take my grand kids without any problems. Ill admit they're not the greatest team in the country just like England isn't the greatest team in world but they're ours so i supporters them Millwall over the last few years have done a lot to improve conditions for families as well as lots for charity and the local community which goes unreported however if two cats have a fight within a mile of the Den the papers report violence at Millwall. During last years F A cup there was an argument in the crowd; one bloke asked another to stop swearing in front of his kids there was a bit of pushing and shoving and some verbal abuse nothing more. It soon calmed down. The next day the papers reported that because Millwall had no one to fight they started to fight among themselves. It's the press that glamorous football violence just as they do drugs and crime in general no press report on crime is complete without numerous photos of guns and knives like an advert for an action movie even though the guns shown have nothing to do with the actual story they're just standard pictures from the paper's archives to be used whenever they do a story about crime inb in case any of their readers don't know what a gun or a knife looks like
@@michaelharrison3602 bullshit. Lots of people grow up in those poor areas and don't become anti social violent yobs. That's making excuses for low life scumbags you knobhead.
@@Md-ji3qo
Yeah but some people want more than a game of bingo and a sing song in church after a week's work
Fighting each other while groomers are targeting your kid sisters in towns up and down the country.
Ye but it football init
What sister?
Hi Jonny, have you heard about cpp? They are helping to rid the streets of groomers.
This is what happens when you lock people in a house for 18 months. Considering that the people that made them rules aren’t following their own rules
No one was locked up like that. You was allowed out. Go Shopping go for a Walk. Go Shops further way so stay out longer. I did. Was never in week after week without going out. Most of the dust ups are between younger people. Their is violence in Society 24/7.
@@simonmaskell365 your right the pubs were shut for a while in the summer and Christmas 2020 but nobody was actually prevented from going out
Grown men hanging around with teenagers with alcohol and drugs seems a bit suspect.
A small minority on Coke? The old bill don't have a clue. It's endemic.
Yep I reckon at least 50% of people I know whokgo footy are bang at it
@@danieloliver4558 I don't go football I'm 75 as are most of my friends and about 75% of them are on coke about 30% of them sell it along with a bit of puff it's part of life these days for us drugs have been part of our lives since the sixties
@@michaelharrison3602 i thought you went Millwall?
@@danieloliver4558
I do but I'm not a hooligan i wouldn't even describe myself as a serious football fan but I can't understand the fuss people make about a few naughty boys
Misbehaving on a Saturday afternoon after all what would football be without a bit of friendly rivalry
I’ve not seen a punch thrown in this documentary. I understand the mainstream media these days would prefer to see rainbow 🌈 marches where blokes go to watch football hand in hand etc. correct me if I’m wrong.
You are spot on lad
The last threat to global tyranny is pure masculinity or whats left of it in 2022
They want it gone and conformed into the weak bunch that we are slowly turning into.
So true they dramatise it so much it’s embarrasing 😂😂😂
What about the fatty that ran on the pitch?
@@NeverTrustaSocialist Spot on.
It's a strawman question. What makes anyone think it's increasing? The media have been telling us for years that hooliganism is back. I've been going to football for 45 years and in fact more this season than for a long time and I've seen no evidence of it. The world has changed so much since the hey-day of the firms 40 years ago that history will not be repeated.
Attending only 45 years? Come back when you have been on THe Millwall Terraces since 1962, like me, which, sadly, coincided with the birth of more widespread football hooliganism. Now just embarking on my 7th Decade of attending :)..
@@Isleofskye Have you seen any evidence that hooliganism is on the rise again?
@@Isleofskye you’re ‘ard ! 👀
Who wants some ?
Not me , actually. I have "8" coming for Supper, ce soir, so I am in the most fearful rush.
Toodle Pip..
Great comment bud the country is nothing like it was back then an neither are the people
Seems to me that they're policing the result and not the root cause.
Police never get to the root cause. They only come on scene to clean up the mess.
@@malcolmdavidson1165 Job security I suppose
It's nice to see the youth getting involved in numbers. In a few years we will have some sizeable firms again.
Would be great
Camera phones grassez
A lot of films recently have portrayed the "glamour" of football violence iv watched a few and its so easy to get caught in the excitement
What recent films are there on football violence?🤨
What use are policewmen? Do they make the male coppers a brew to keep them going?
😂
That's offensive they are" female police persons"
They're the Notts Police Baby Squad, who are feared by big babies everywhere they go.
They help to stiffen up the ranks
@@Hammerschool 😂
Leicester always had a nasty element. In the late 80s to 90 we had West Ham, Chelsea, Leeds and millwall at Bournemouth- Leeds wrecked the town but didn’t actually attack any of the home fans. Chelsea and West Ham as good as gold as were millwall. Leicester were the worse by far, attacking isolated punters in the gardens who weren’t even at the match.
Don't cry.😂🦊💙🦊🇬🇧🇮🇱🇬🇧
@@adammcneice362 We used to call the Baby Squad the odd mob, because they would never have it with even numbers.😁🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️ W⚓
@@Busybee65 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
People always said that Leicester didn't travel, but we're aggressive at home.
Anyone who thinks Leicester didn't have a mob wasn't there back in the day, simple as.
Football hooliganism or violence, however you want to call it, is actually way down on the past 20 years. It gets less and less each year due to all the money thrown at it to stop it. I've not seen any real trouble for a long time. Yes, there are those who meet up way away from any stadium, but then that's not Football violence, that's just the usual minority getting their kicks elsewhere. And long may that continue.
what a load of crap,if football in the 70's and 80's was policed like it is now then you would of had thousands of arrests every weekend!!
The police let it kick off on purpose knowing they need the CCTV footage to get them arrested..been like it for years n years
Most of its all show anyhow. For example, the lad at 3.40 deviates from the cordon to challenge the opposition but is already stopping before the copper actually stops him.
My left ear has had a real talking to....
Things are getting so bad that they gave up 2 seats in the riot van for journalists... JOKE!
Why is football violence increasing? Answer: it's not.
It’s smoke and mirrors look at these football thugs and forget our Shiite comings
It is from them drinking alcohol.
Because it’s something to do in a country full of nothing to do
Plenty to do. Just too many morons that are too lazy to go and find it...
I miss away days, the atmosphere was electric. Meanwhile in Canada 'Lets go Blue Jays', snoring, boring....
Essentially people in real life are having fun and going back to games and twitter has a problem with that
They will never stop football violence just the same as they will never stop the fashion and casual scene that goes with it!
this is why i go to non league football, we have a pint and a pie with the away fans. we are proper football fans and not morons
Yous sound like proper rent boys.
Proper melts
@@chrisolagrim3597 what is a melt?
@@youwannapizzaus there’s a direct correlation between how much someone bangs on about how brilliant fighting at football is on social media and how many scraps they’ve actually had in real life.
Not being cheeky here but saying you share a pie with the opponents does not mean you are not a moron , loads of non morons enjoy a scrap 😁😁✌
That a set of lads bumping into each other, it will never be like the carnage in the 70's80's 90's with arranging meets..
It’s lads having a good time, it seems your not allowed anymore
*chavs
These firms won’t disappear and the coppers can’t stop them no matter what they do
👊
what they should do is say - "yes fine, have your fight, Here is a field on the edge of town, we will put up a beer tent for you. Go and have all the fights you like" the only thing they have to do is sign a disclaimer to say you cant get free treatment from the NHS if hurt. That would kill 99% of football violence instantly. Because ultimately, 99% of them would be exposed for what they are. And if it doesn't, good luck to them, enjoy your fights in the field.
They could organise that themselfs, every other counties hooligans do it. English hooligans wouldn't have the balls.
@MIND nothing. There is nothing to stop anyone doing anything with anything. However, the only little bit of benefit people get from being a hooligan is false pride or power. Not much pride in turning up to the pub saying "i'm gonna do this and that" but ignoring the actual real fight that was going on. No "warrior spirit" in that
@@dynamiteduggan other countries aren’t policed like England. You try getting 100 lads to a field without the police catching on!😂
What are yhey fight for? What does the winner get? Is it gang fights like in the states? Or does the winner get to control the cocaine sales or something? I'm fucking truly baffled please someone enlightening me to how it starts finishes and to the victor what spoils are awarded. Gangs fight each other to get revenge for what the other gang did to them. So it goes back n forth until they don't even realize how it got started or who's winning or is the winner if there even is one.( besides the prison industry in America) but w.e. tell me the point of it please.
they do this in germany i think it's much better making stadiums a safer place for the rest of the country
Rival firms fighting at football is never going to stop, however the solution is so simple it has been completely overlooked. March both sets of fans who are up for a row to an open field. Then let them go at it until an obvious victor emerges. People will soon get fed up of loosing teeth, getting broken jaws, noses and skulls. Or maybe they won't. The most important thing to remember is that football violence is never going to willingly stop.
Spot on mate
@@elliottatkinson9850 Cheers Elliott mate 👌🏼
I think the broken bones and chaos is what keeps lads going back tbh mate, why do you think they go in the first place? Some men are just wired differently, they need abit of chaos and violence. It’s better than being some road man going round stabbing and attacking your everyday average joe ain’t it. It’s a mutual fight.
You truly underestimate the rush such a mass brawl everyone gets from such action and the mutual bonding it creates. It is the major point this culture is still around. And secondly if you consider yourself a fighter you'd consider it earning your stripes losing some theeth or crack a bone here and there to reach a higher rank within your group wouldn't you think?
@@GrizzlyAdams101 those mens are just criminals with complexes, today we have a lot of violence
“Were Leicester City, we do what we want” even though they’re singing it whilst being surrounded by police
4:30
Sings club anthem 'that's racist'
Celebrates goal 'that's abusive'
Drinks beer at game 'that's promoting durgs and alcohol'.
What is happening with football its gone shocking soft.
Without rivalty what even is sport.
Everything the left touches turns to sh1t
Yep absolutely right mate.
Its all about control and submission mate..
And clearly it’s been working too
Around 90% of the western population is fully vaccinated and happy to confirm with mask mandates, mindless mandates etc
The real epidemic we have is of the weak and feeble.
M W
Eat
Sleep
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Proper Clobber Jordan Army
The younger generation watching all these movies like green street and awaydays and trying to relive a past 🚜🚜🚜
Nice one lads for putting music over you talking and I hate reading subtitles so cheers 🍻
Leicester has always had a bad element to their following, that was a big day out for them, coming from the dump that is Leicester to a nice city centre, they got a little too excited.
Shame their day ended bad for them.
Glad forest won from a Everton fan classy club remember the Clough era
'Ended bad'? It started bad and just spiralled for 90 mins. I think the ending was the best bit for them - It brought a merciful release.
@@neilrogers5477
Classy Club, nice one mate, its had it moments good and bad, seems to be doing fine at the moment though.
Needs to be in the Prem.
@@apathyintheuk265
Yes tbh it did lol
@@adriannewbold3764 defo mate fingers crossed we don't go down this season going to be difficult to stay up
Locking them up for 2 years with lockdowns has definitely had an impact.
Our working class is de-evolving and becoming degenerate. Football merely reflects this.
Not working class mostly middle class spoilt brats who never had to go without.Most of them couldn't fight their way out of a nappy.
@@davidmcclements436 Exactly most working class people cannot afford the tickets to Premiership and Championship games, at least not every week.
You'll never get a handle on this, because we love it too much and we won't let ya!
Should be more violence towards the establishment
The only sport where the fans behave this bad.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
& a horrendous comedown😅
Yeah only pussys take it. THE WEAK
The reporter Matt never asked the obvious question, why has disorder picked up again?
Without these type of fans the game would be silent unless there was a goal. Almost every country in Europe has worse hooliganism etc it’s part of the beauty of football.
You act as if they attack everyone and anyone when you know they don’t. Colours are off limits unless they provoke it. Not nearly as much a problem as made out and many times it’s over policing and stewarding that causes issues.
Colours are off limits is a lie you tell yourself to make you feel decent.
Scarfers get bullied on a regular basis.
Yeah but where's the violence? I didn't see any in this video.
I'm pretty sure the alcohol is more to blame than the cocaine...
The system we all live in is failing us, nothing more!
The 70s & 80s were far worse , when it gets like that again you can start to get worried but don't think it will. It peaked in 80s for uk clubs & some foreign clubs are hitting their peak now but they're just a decade or two behind so that will eventually go down too. Or am I wrong ???
The public saw the weak response by police to various protest groups, BLM, Extinction Rebellion etc and the knock on from lockdown, not hard to see why hooliganism is nudging it's way back in, very predictable but won't reach 70s/80s level due to cctv etc
Absolutely correct, if the cops get their act together they could use video and then prosecute a lot of these for threatening behaviour etc etc. A day in court, losing your job etc takes it out of the vast majority. The days of getting away with it are long gone.
@@thelouderyouscream some people who are angry about the state of things go out get high and have a fight others wave banners and glue themselves to Motorways:
I've never lost a day's wages because I couldn't get to work due to hooligans blocking the road and my wife has never been spat at by hooligans because of the car she drives
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And the boxing gyms are empty
No their not
We're Leicester City we go where we want......as your being herded down an alleyway by 8 policeman lol
They don't fight,they bounce up and down between lines of old bill, come down to your local boxing club and see what fighting is really like, it could be your next addiction, give it a go.
Fighting is going up a mountain with an SLR with a bayonet fitted at goose green. That’s fighting.
@@mufc20timesbitches36 no mountain in goose green, maybe your thinking of camberwick
Bring ecstasy back, end hooligan culture 😀
These youngsters take coke not pills
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Blame maggie Freedom to party
Because we are being told every day we are racist,homophobic,misogynist and especially if you are a white man.so I guess some have just had enough and think I might as well
Exactly mate!! Join me and my mates next week if you like. We're going to smash up some outdoor seating outside Costa and drink in the park. Just something to do while I wait for my court date. Wife took the fucking kids!!!
@@Anoobsession sounds good
@@ashwhooooo Well it's not mate. I loved my boys
Change your purpose and existence because you're a drain on society 👌🏾
I you’re being told that you’re racist, homophobic and misogynistic on a daily basis, there is a strong chance that your probably racist, homophobic and misogynistic.
And even if you’re being falsely accused of those things, what good is putting on a Stone Island cap and chucking some chairs about in a Whetherspoons going to do?
I Don't actually mind a bit of hooliganism at footy , as long as people aren't getting slashed and stabbed , I quite enjoy watching it..
why tho
@@nicholasbaldwin4897 it's fun 🤷♂️
@@westham5047 violent conduct is fun?..interesting
I love getting stuck in at a game, take my misses with me she fucking loves it
@@Ryan-wo1cf me and my son's love a good tear up at football love it
Violence in general is increasing. We are only human after all.
After being locked down for so long now getting on the Charlie and out with the lads might have something to do with it..
100%
I hope these hooligans put the same amount of passion into defending their country because we're going to need it sooner or later.
What else is there to do on a Saturday?
Drink outside the SPAR?
Football factory 😁
the Jam "the kids want some action and who can fukiin blame them now"
Good !! It's part of football in this country, wether people like it or not ! 👊⚽️🏴
FOOTBALL VIOLENCE IT HAPPENS EVERY WEEK
Couldn’t be more obvious this reporters intention was promoting this “escalating violence” and “all football supporters are evil” agenda.
@Induxvideos you’re a bigger menace to society with your prank calls and indecent images of children than football supporters pal
Why would the reporter want to push that agenda? He is a football journalist, football is his livelihood.
@@chriswilkinson7636 Because it’s inevitably gonna get attention and clicks because it’s so out of pocket
@@chriswilkinson7636 Why would a reporter want to push an agenda.... are you serious?
It’s a shame we don’t have the funding or resources to bring back national service.
Not ruining football at all! This is football. If you don't like it and you're too soft then don't go
Shut up you absolute weapon. You’ve never been to a game in your life.
@@warriorrob1 Been going my whole life son
At the end of the match get everyone who wants to fight, onto the pitch and let them fight like gladiators. People who want to watch can for an extra £10. Keep the bar and pie shop open to generate more revenue. When they’re done, the stewards can carry them out and leave them on the street with one ambulance team for medical care. Problem solved.
Absolutely brilliant idea. I’d pay upwards of £25 to watch a bunch of Stoke Island clad, Tommy Robinson loving thickos beating the sh*t out of each other.
Here is my view based on life experience:
The average copper loves going to these games. It gives them carte blanche to hand out indiscriminate beatings to normal fans without fear of repercussion. 99% of the time police escalate matters for no reason other than boredom. Even though you end up with a chain reaction of fans fighting police, it typically starts because of a copper punching a fan or a father having to wade in because his 8 year old son was hit with a police baton. I've seen kids brutalisd by those police that like to ride the horses - like a scene out of braveheart. The police know better to cover their helmet IDs when they do this kind of thing.
I have been to plenty of games and let me tell you that - other than the odd group of chavs shouting from a safe distance - there is never organised violence by fans at football grounds anymore.
In my opinion, the police create violence in order to justify more annual funding for the next year. That, and the fact that the police force attracts a certain personality that no moral person would want anything to do with.
This does not get reported because the police control the narrative.
100%
8 year old kid hit with a baton ???
Yes ok mate
Yes mate. And on more than one occasion.
Leeds United vs Cardiff City, 15th of January 2005.
Ask any fan that was there.
I was 14 when some coward pig wacked me on the back of my leg as I was walking home after the match. I could not walk for days afterwards. I was one of the lucky ones.
A boy who could not have been older that 10 was hit in the back of the head by a pig on a horse. I thought he was dead, whilst his dad cradled him. A crowd of angry fans chased after the pig but he rode off and hid amongst the crowd.
Want a more recent example?
Leeds vs Manchester United
After the game, the filth suddenly blocked everyone from going a certain way to their cars. So to make an example, one of them hit a young child with his baton, whilst also threatening to trample him. Naturally, the kid's dad confronted the coward and got arrested for something he did not start.
Another story:
www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/policeman-dead-trial-football-fan-26245519
How old does that kid look to you?
Good riddance to the POS pig.
If police are being convicted for peodophillia what makes you think they are above brutalising them with batons?
I think you need to wisen up my friend.
@@thecommonman9904 he was scrapping with the Barnsley fans not exactly innocent, however the copper went way over the top....and ultimately couldn't face the guilt.....No winners here
I've been going to games since 1981 ,I've never been whacked by a copper
The “tactics” worked that well a “fan” got on the pitch and hit a player
I've noticed an increase in violence only since players started taking the knee. It seems that rather than promoting togetherness it's done the complete opposite.
Get a grip. It's nothing to do with that you moron
@@thomaskemp7362 if you're able to respond without being rude and offensive, why do you think it's happening?
You don't have to agree with my reasoning but should at least be able to discuss it in a civilized way.
Yup that’s it. In response to a racial equality gesture groups of stone island clad white blokes are beating the sh*t out of each other. That’ll show them!
Do you thick c*nts even read back the nonsense you type out before hitting “send”?
@@cricketbengelly2307 why has the violence increased, wasn't that the question?
I know that with the firm's it's really well organized.
I've noticed there seems to be more violence reported (on media) since the taking the knee thing. Originally it wasn't about the knee, it was about racism, that in turn agitated people, which in turn lead to more violence.
That was my logic.
Again, if you're able to respond without being rude and offensive, why do you think?
@@wearemysticking When you make such an irrational argument how do you expect someone to reply logically? The only people "seriously" Pi***d Off with taking the knee, are racists because it highlights them in a bad way. Crowd trouble isn't caused by racists only, therefore your argument holds no water whatsoever!!!
It's probably only a small point to make but is the 50% increase in arrests due to violence or the breaking of more laws and general intolerance of traditional terrace chanting eg Chelsea rent boys etc?
Thuggish behaviour learnt from older fans
We was better at it
Good I like tradition
This is what happens when people drink
Legalise weed and ban alcohol guarantee you won’t have this problem no more
Drugs and poor sentencing is the simple answer and the fact this kind of violence happens unpunished on every high street every weekend 😡 in other words, law & order is breaking down slowly but surely over the last 10 years, due to wokeness and left wing policies!
Non visible policing in town centres .
Absolutely 100% nailed it, mate.
How Tf has left wing policies done anything with football violence and high street crime 😂
@@CxAgar obviously a man of the left, yourself, given how you’re cocky enough to just ridicule somebody’s opinion outright and self-important enough to “TM” your own name. Whopper…..
@@AlexSmith-nq6uc you’re some philosopher
You have no clue what way I swing and the TM was a joke with my mates 🤷♂️
But I am not ridiculing his opinion
Also I want to know how bridging the gap between the rich and poor with universal healthcare and higher taxes for the higher earners has anything to do with football violence. If anything the right wing can be connected to many of the root causes of violence as if makes enemies out of people who ain’t enemies (migrants) and uses fear to trap people in the right wing (migrants) so people feel justified to be more violent.
Yes I am left leaning.
Take a look at a horse Racing event , cocaine and violence at most big meetings. No different
In the Middle 80's, it was only the hooligans going to football, shocking crowds, just over 20 k crowds at Liverpool , United 10k at Chelsea, Newcastle, remember a West Ham v Leicester game I went to, and the attendance was just over 12k, Celtic v Falkirk 11k,
Some truth in that.
It will never stop. Been around for years.
Because fans have been locked up for 2 years, some no work, others laid off.
Struggling with household bills, what the hell do you think it is?
Venting frustration, end off.
Never saw a title from you why are BLM so violent, why are Anti fa causing so much trouble.
Get a grip, lack of income to support your family breeds discontent, which unfortunately can lead to violence through an outlet ie football.
Least they are not stabbing each other to death over £100 worth of coke.
Fisty cuffs and the occasional shoe, each to their own, does not lead to a funeral.
Sort it out, with this narrative.
That’s spot on
@@cmac8982 Cheers C Mac
Your comment history screams back fat lol
Anti fa have a good reason to be violent . We fought wars over fascism
@@Anoobsession
It reflects the truth.
Hence your insult, instead of healthy debate.
The media still trot out this outdated term, 'mindless'. Football Firms and the individual 'hooligans' are quite often far from mindless and very often catch the authorities out with forward planning that would gain the grudging admiration of the military. A lot of the time that is exactly what the Police are up against, military - style, organised disorder. So can the media please stop referring to these lads/men(and occasionally, ladies) as mindless, because a lot of the time they aint.
If you organise fights based on which football team you support you are definitely mindless no matter how organised you are.
@@aran7teen Whilst i obviously wouldnt agree, i have known people that would organise a fight based on nothing at all really. Just a glance in the wrong direction would have done it. Football allegiances didn't come into it. Lets also not forget that these lads also enjoy the buzz it gives them, and used to give me incidentally.
Drama queen u aren’t u
You cant stop us. Watch Leeds - Man Utd on sunday coming up….. 👀 will be like a boxing event
900 old Bill stopped that!🤨👹
This is what footballs all about!
Getting all the chavs in one spot so you can keep an eye on them? Too easy.
They should add it to FIFA on Xbox & Playstation. Clobber & Sniff options added to a sub category of pick Yer casual.
The old bill are clueless!! A firm that has 1 meeting per year? And that's a problem is it?? You let illegal immigrants in by the thousands every week.!!! Today's firms are quiet as F compared with the 90's it's like they're on holiday. 90's football makes Green Street look like a picnic.
90's ?? Tou should have been there in The 1960's/1970's/1980's when The Police were clueless and I followed Millwall at 84 grounds from Carlisle down to Plymouth.
From the 4th September this tear I will be embarking on my 7th decades in attendance:)
@@Isleofskye seen a few decent scraps at Ashton Gate between City and Millwall
City vs Cardiff never disappoints either 😂
That sounds about right,my friend.I got caught up with "The 'Ardiff" back in the late 1970s. After the game at Ninian Park, me and my mate were walking back to the station and we became part of their mob running along for 2 minutes I was an "honourary" Cardiff fan until we left them to get past the police cordon separating the fans.Then they realized lol Did the same thing in a much more risky move at Chelsea after a midweek game when the 2 of us merges with around 500 Chelsea fans for 10 minutes until we reached THe Thames Bridge where our car was and they also never realized,luckily:)
Locked people in their homes, wonders why crime is up.
Football violence died out in the 90s after been at the top in the 70s & 80s you only get dancing and a few drunken mugs now throwing stuff.
Leicester are the pride of Pakistan 🇵🇰
Nah mate Uganda.
Sort the flipping audio out 🤣
I was a copper in Exeter back in the 70 s and it was a small problem back then..but NOW is just a disgrace and GROWN men too..shocking really. I would never go back to live in the UK..
Give over it’s always gone on the plod are the main culprits of starting it they go way over the top
There has always been a long history of hooliganism in football around the world. Obviously is a lot better now regardless of this increase than it was like in the 70’s/80’s.
Unfortunately this mentality will not go away even if they are not fighting there is always swearing and aggression towards other opposing fans. Taking children to games is not always safe depending on which stadium/game it is.
Rugby/Cricket no trouble at all….
trauma is the root couase as long as people are at war with themselves their allways be a battle going on outside of them
because no one has no passion or desire for rugby or fucking cricket
@Alex Dorian Because football is a working man's sport
@@callumjb7668
So's Rugby League and maybe more so but it doesn't have the longstanding problems with crowd disorder that soccer has.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 you called it soccer so you clearly don’t know what you’re on about. Football has many more fans and many more working class fans than rugby league