I love this song so much, I feel like while I love What The World Needs, Play To Win tells us a lot about Ocean as a character, her backstory and her home life and why she is the way she is. Kind of wish they'd kept it.
I feel like they had to make this change tbh. I love this song but realistically speaking I don't think it would go over well in the stateside tour as is. It's a little shocking to even look back on tbh.
@@Emaree02 Yeah that's fair. I do get why they had to change it, it definitely wouldn't go over as well stateside especially not in the more recent productions, and I do love WTWN, I'm just glad both versions exist because this song really gives such a full picture of who Ocean is, at least in this initial production.
i really dig her voice here, it's kind of a novelty to hear ocean singing alto! the song itself is awesome too i always love gospel style numbers like this
I cant believe that there is not one but two different recordings of this song online because I've heard this song with just a bit different pronunciations on certain parts
In my opinion (and keep in mind I've unfortunately never seen this run personally). The song is just about Ocean's desire to win at life and her family circumstances about why that is. But that's just my personal view.
To my knowledge Ocean was on the school debate club, she listened to her father's advice which was to be truthful but she was on a losing streak. So she called her mom and her mom told her to.. play the game, even if it isn't morally right. When she started doing what her mom said she started winning. However at the national debate a disabled kid shows up and she can't use her strategy to win. And so she loses. (Also I'm p sure the disabled kid wasn't even disabled and he was playing the game the same way Ocean did) so she got her comupence. And then she has a moral dilemma about, is it better to win or to do what's right in the end. That's the story!
It was already explained but I’m gonna comment the way I interpreted it regardless :3 her parents, namely her mother, have love for her that is conditional upon her success in school and the debate team. Being the overachiever that she is, she doesn’t want to bear the disappointment of her parents and so she listens to her mother’s cruel advice about how to manipulate an audience’s collective psyche in order to appeal to them and win an argument. She does this (with Constance on the debate team as well, who doesn’t agree with Ocean’s tactics) and then over time she loses sight of how toxic she’s really being, until a cripple shows up - presumably a normal kid doing the same thing she is, to a much greater extent - and cue Ocean consequently having a crisis about her own moral compass, the means of which inspired by Richmond’s fondness for German nihilist philosophers. I can glean that Ocean’s parents are divorced, causing her abandonment issues, which her parents seem to be taking advantage of throughout their portrayal in the song. I think it’s very clever how they show Ocean’s poor decision making and judgment of conséquences on account of her being a teenager and having an undeveloped brain, her neuroticism, and her parents being separated, and then her subconscious guilt boiling up over time as a result of it.
@@Emaree02 I feel like that interpretation works if Ocean's original backstory was being the child of divorce where one parent was a hippie and one parent was the go-getter Ocean wanted to be in order to get out of Uranium. It'd be an interesting storyline for the character for sure!
Lyrics (Ocean) Daddy said… (Noel as Ocean’s father) Oh daughter dear you fill my heart with pride Your words, so pure, your papa’s proud, the truth was by your side (Ocean) But daddy dear, they cleaned our clock A zillion points to none May I use the phone? (Noel) Aw, pumpkin, you need to speak to one of your friends? (Ocean) No, I’m callin’ mom! (Spoken) So I called mom and I told her the whole story (Jane as Ocean’s mom)(spoken) You did what? (Ocean)(spoken) I spoke from my heart about the facts (Jane)(spoken) Incentive: If you do well at this debate, you can come live with me… me… me… me… (Noel)(spoken) Plot point. (Ocean)(spoken) Get the pen She told me something that goes a little something like That goes a little something like this: (Sung) The art to win an argument ain’t changed much over time You read and rule your public first, And then you change their mind If the judge looks like a hippie Your foe’s a right-wing nut If the judge seems like a holy hostile Pentecostal Then your foe’s a godless hedonistic slut (Pornoo) Demonize your opponents with personal attacks Quote some fake authorities and unrelated facts Create a false dilemma like, “you’re with us or you ain’t” Ask the pot a loaded question “How can you say that Adolf Hitler was a saint?” Oh, the tale of human history is one of damn’ed battery (Ensemble) It works on the mob every time (Ocean) This candy-coated recipe of black and white morality (Ensemble) That’s how we like our swine! Mm-hmm! (Ocean) The next day at the school debate, my mom’s advice applied We were like Marine Corps, stealing cookies from Girl Guides The judge gave us a standing O (Constance) One kid broke down and cried (Ricky) And the winner of the Uranium City debate: Miss Rosenberg… and that other girl (Ocean)(spoken) Yeah, we won by a frickin’ landslide Look, I even got a trophy (Constance) We got a trophy? (Ocean) Yeah, don’t touch it you’ll break it (Constance) Sorry (Ocean)(Sung) In this world there’s just one sin (All) Don’t play the game unless you play to win (You play to win) (Ocean)(spoken) Why does my opposition feel the need to defend pedophiles? (You play to win) (Ricky) (spoken) And the winner of the municipal debate is Miss Rosenberg (You play to win) (Ocean) (spoken) I’m very upset, my brother just died (Constance) (spoken) But you don’t have a brother (Ocean) (spoken) Shut up! (You play to win) (Ricky) (spoken) She’s done it again folks! And the crowd goes wild for Mary Rosenberger (Ocean) (sung) Don’t tell me there’s a better use of your ambition Than to wipe the floor with your own competition Mommy dearest said there’s only one real mission (All) Play to win Play to win Play to win (Ocean) Dad was there, and so was Mom, for the National Debate But where are my opponents? They were half an hour late And then this kid rolls in with a wheelchair And begs us to forgive (Constance) He needed an emergency blood transfusion Turns out he only had three weeks left to live (Ricky) Debate topic: Are human beings ultimately good? (You play to win) (Ocean) Uh- Are you kidding me? He’s in a wheelchair! (You play to win) (Constance) How are you gonna beat this one? (Ocean) Shut up, Constance (Constance) Sorry (You play to win) (Jane as Ocean’s mother) What would Glenn Beck do? (You play to win) (Ocean) Ugh, and he’s blind too?? (And the opposition calls Miss Rosenberg) (Ocean) My heart began to flutter Tears welled in my eyes When I looked unto my father As he hung his head and sighed And then I saw an angel In blinding light and sparks With a hammer and a sickle It was a wing’ed Karl Marx And he said “Child, heaven's awesome and everything is free I’ve been palling ‘round with Jesus Turns out he’s a Communist, just like me “And we got somethin’ to tell you (Tell us, comrade) And we got somethin’ to sing to you (Sing it, comrade) You wanna hear it? (Yeah!) Can you feel the spirit? (Yeah!) Can I hear it two times? (Yeah yeah!) “When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!) Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!) It's gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!) You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled) “When the game is over, you’re knockin’ on heaven’s door It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keepin’ score “You wanna kick out the crutches from a cripple? (Oh no!) Push an old lady down the stairs? (Sweet lord!) Steal a piece of candy from a cryin’ little baby? As long as you’re winning, who cares! (Who cares!) “Take out the kid in a wheelchair That’s the road to perdition Soon you’re gonna wind up a back-stabbing, ass-grabbing, rubberneck politician! “When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!) Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!) It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!) You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!) “when the game is over you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door, It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score! “I said it's only your soul alone That's keepin' score (Sing it sister!) Oh yeah! “When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!) Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!) It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!) You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!) “And when that game is over And you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door, It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score! “When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!) Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!) It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!) You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!) “And when that game is over And you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door, It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score!” Who’s keeping score! (Who’s keeping score) x5 It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keepin’ score
@@Emaree02She still said the word during Jawbreaker (which is largely unchanged from how it is now), so it's possible that the word was also used here?
Yo, im curious if someone could help me! What style of song would this be classified as? Like, what genre? I truly can't come up with anything on my own.
@@cheliceralbaneI agree!! This whole song is basically a moral dielmna on whether she values victory or truth more! If she was the way she is in the final version she'd just choose victory but honestly this whole song, and Karl Marx's criticism of her in the latter half proves this Ocean is a lot less cruel than official/final Ocean.
I love this song so much, I feel like while I love What The World Needs, Play To Win tells us a lot about Ocean as a character, her backstory and her home life and why she is the way she is. Kind of wish they'd kept it.
I feel like they had to make this change tbh. I love this song but realistically speaking I don't think it would go over well in the stateside tour as is. It's a little shocking to even look back on tbh.
@@Emaree02 Yeah that's fair. I do get why they had to change it, it definitely wouldn't go over as well stateside especially not in the more recent productions, and I do love WTWN, I'm just glad both versions exist because this song really gives such a full picture of who Ocean is, at least in this initial production.
@@chaosincarnateproductions I dream of the day we find a full recording of the Canadian run
@@Emaree02 Yesss I need it
@@Emaree02samesies
idk why but it feels like a calm yet chaotic fever dream-
i really dig her voice here, it's kind of a novelty to hear ocean singing alto! the song itself is awesome too i always love gospel style numbers like this
I cant believe that there is not one but two different recordings of this song online because I've heard this song with just a bit different pronunciations on certain parts
I believe so, yeah. Two different recordings from two different days
@@Emaree02yeah... In the google drive there were 2 vids, one on Febuary 14 2015, and one a day after ( Febuary 15 )
Holy shit, I had no idea they found this song. Thankyou. Thankyou. Thankyou
You are super welcome :))
i love this song so much its unhealthy
I totally feel that. I’m that exact way about The Ballad of Jane Doe
REAL
THANK YOU FOR THE LYRICS
You’re so welcome 💖💖
the audio is crispy LMAO /nm
It’s mostly since we have little to no footage of some of these /nm
I still don't understand what the song is about but I'm glad you found it, I like the melody
In my opinion (and keep in mind I've unfortunately never seen this run personally). The song is just about Ocean's desire to win at life and her family circumstances about why that is. But that's just my personal view.
To my knowledge Ocean was on the school debate club, she listened to her father's advice which was to be truthful but she was on a losing streak. So she called her mom and her mom told her to.. play the game, even if it isn't morally right. When she started doing what her mom said she started winning. However at the national debate a disabled kid shows up and she can't use her strategy to win. And so she loses. (Also I'm p sure the disabled kid wasn't even disabled and he was playing the game the same way Ocean did) so she got her comupence. And then she has a moral dilemma about, is it better to win or to do what's right in the end. That's the story!
@@alilcoffeecake that's what I got out of it too. you put it very nicely, thank you
It was already explained but I’m gonna comment the way I interpreted it regardless :3
her parents, namely her mother, have love for her that is conditional upon her success in school and the debate team. Being the overachiever that she is, she doesn’t want to bear the disappointment of her parents and so she listens to her mother’s cruel advice about how to manipulate an audience’s collective psyche in order to appeal to them and win an argument. She does this (with Constance on the debate team as well, who doesn’t agree with Ocean’s tactics) and then over time she loses sight of how toxic she’s really being, until a cripple shows up - presumably a normal kid doing the same thing she is, to a much greater extent - and cue Ocean consequently having a crisis about her own moral compass, the means of which inspired by Richmond’s fondness for German nihilist philosophers. I can glean that Ocean’s parents are divorced, causing her abandonment issues, which her parents seem to be taking advantage of throughout their portrayal in the song. I think it’s very clever how they show Ocean’s poor decision making and judgment of conséquences on account of her being a teenager and having an undeveloped brain, her neuroticism, and her parents being separated, and then her subconscious guilt boiling up over time as a result of it.
@@Emaree02 I feel like that interpretation works if Ocean's original backstory was being the child of divorce where one parent was a hippie and one parent was the go-getter Ocean wanted to be in order to get out of Uranium. It'd be an interesting storyline for the character for sure!
I love this song but I feel like What The World Needs fits a lot better
it almost unhealthy how i am very similar to this ocean in a lot of ways....
Lyrics
(Ocean) Daddy said…
(Noel as Ocean’s father)
Oh daughter dear you fill my heart with pride
Your words, so pure, your papa’s proud, the truth was by your side
(Ocean)
But daddy dear, they cleaned our clock
A zillion points to none
May I use the phone?
(Noel)
Aw, pumpkin, you need to speak to one of your friends?
(Ocean)
No, I’m callin’ mom!
(Spoken)
So I called mom and I told her the whole story
(Jane as Ocean’s mom)(spoken)
You did what?
(Ocean)(spoken)
I spoke from my heart about the facts
(Jane)(spoken)
Incentive: If you do well at this debate, you can come live with me… me… me… me…
(Noel)(spoken)
Plot point.
(Ocean)(spoken)
Get the pen
She told me something that goes a little something like
That goes a little something like this:
(Sung)
The art to win an argument ain’t changed much over time
You read and rule your public first,
And then you change their mind
If the judge looks like a hippie
Your foe’s a right-wing nut
If the judge seems like a holy hostile Pentecostal
Then your foe’s a godless hedonistic slut
(Pornoo)
Demonize your opponents with personal attacks
Quote some fake authorities and unrelated facts
Create a false dilemma like, “you’re with us or you ain’t”
Ask the pot a loaded question
“How can you say that Adolf Hitler was a saint?”
Oh, the tale of human history is one of damn’ed battery
(Ensemble)
It works on the mob every time
(Ocean)
This candy-coated recipe of black and white morality
(Ensemble)
That’s how we like our swine!
Mm-hmm!
(Ocean)
The next day at the school debate, my mom’s advice applied
We were like Marine Corps, stealing cookies from Girl Guides
The judge gave us a standing O
(Constance)
One kid broke down and cried
(Ricky)
And the winner of the Uranium City debate: Miss Rosenberg… and that other girl
(Ocean)(spoken)
Yeah, we won by a frickin’ landslide
Look, I even got a trophy
(Constance)
We got a trophy?
(Ocean)
Yeah, don’t touch it you’ll break it
(Constance)
Sorry
(Ocean)(Sung)
In this world there’s just one sin
(All)
Don’t play the game unless you play to win
(You play to win)
(Ocean)(spoken)
Why does my opposition feel the need to defend pedophiles?
(You play to win)
(Ricky) (spoken)
And the winner of the municipal debate is Miss Rosenberg
(You play to win)
(Ocean) (spoken)
I’m very upset, my brother just died
(Constance) (spoken)
But you don’t have a brother
(Ocean) (spoken)
Shut up!
(You play to win)
(Ricky) (spoken)
She’s done it again folks! And the crowd goes wild for Mary Rosenberger
(Ocean) (sung)
Don’t tell me there’s a better use of your ambition
Than to wipe the floor with your own competition
Mommy dearest said there’s only one real mission
(All)
Play to win
Play to win
Play to win
(Ocean)
Dad was there, and so was Mom, for the National Debate
But where are my opponents?
They were half an hour late
And then this kid rolls in with a wheelchair
And begs us to forgive
(Constance)
He needed an emergency blood transfusion
Turns out he only had three weeks left to live
(Ricky)
Debate topic: Are human beings ultimately good?
(You play to win)
(Ocean)
Uh- Are you kidding me? He’s in a wheelchair!
(You play to win)
(Constance)
How are you gonna beat this one?
(Ocean)
Shut up, Constance
(Constance)
Sorry
(You play to win)
(Jane as Ocean’s mother)
What would Glenn Beck do?
(You play to win)
(Ocean)
Ugh, and he’s blind too??
(And the opposition calls Miss Rosenberg)
(Ocean)
My heart began to flutter
Tears welled in my eyes
When I looked unto my father
As he hung his head and sighed
And then I saw an angel
In blinding light and sparks
With a hammer and a sickle
It was a wing’ed Karl Marx
And he said “Child, heaven's awesome and everything is free
I’ve been palling ‘round with Jesus
Turns out he’s a Communist, just like me
“And we got somethin’ to tell you
(Tell us, comrade)
And we got somethin’ to sing to you
(Sing it, comrade)
You wanna hear it?
(Yeah!)
Can you feel the spirit?
(Yeah!)
Can I hear it two times?
(Yeah yeah!)
“When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!)
Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!)
It's gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!)
You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled)
“When the game is over, you’re knockin’ on heaven’s door
It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keepin’ score
“You wanna kick out the crutches from a cripple? (Oh no!)
Push an old lady down the stairs? (Sweet lord!)
Steal a piece of candy from a cryin’ little baby?
As long as you’re winning, who cares! (Who cares!)
“Take out the kid in a wheelchair
That’s the road to perdition
Soon you’re gonna wind up a back-stabbing, ass-grabbing, rubberneck politician!
“When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!)
Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!)
It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!)
You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!)
“when the game is over
you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door,
It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score!
“I said it's only your soul alone
That's keepin' score
(Sing it sister!)
Oh yeah!
“When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!)
Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!)
It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!)
You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!)
“And when that game is over
And you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door,
It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score!
“When you wrestle with poop (Win or lose!)
Oh, listen to me child (Sing these blues!)
It’s gonna get on your shoe (Win or lose!)
You’re gonna be defiled (Gonna be defiled!)
“And when that game is over
And you’re knockin’ at heaven’s door,
It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keeping score!”
Who’s keeping score! (Who’s keeping score) x5
It’s only your soul, your soul alone that’s keepin’ score
This would not survive today
I think the word she’s saying right after “godless hethenistic sl*t” is “p0rn0”, since Constance says it later in the show
Maybe, but this is a much earlier iteration and I don’t know if Constance had that line in this version
@@Emaree02She still said the word during Jawbreaker (which is largely unchanged from how it is now), so it's possible that the word was also used here?
Do you know who sings this?
Rielle Braid I think
@@Emaree02 thank yew!
@@dawncassia7479 ofc!! :)
Yo, im curious if someone could help me! What style of song would this be classified as? Like, what genre? I truly can't come up with anything on my own.
Alternatively, if anyone has songs that are a similar style, i would accept those as well!
@@Milkshake-BakesThe second half with Karl Marx is undeniably either the blues or gospel
I'm not sure what you'd classify the first half as though-
Karl Marx is southern gospel revival
It sounds like a Gosepl-style song to me
this is an absolute bop but it makes me hate ocean even more
I felt that in my core, she’s just not a good person at all
Really? I find that so interesting since I think this song is WAYYYY less cruel than wtwn.
Ocean is my scrunkly wrunkly babygirl blorbo princess. You don't understand her like I do...🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺 (she is literally awful)
@@cheliceralbaneI agree!! This whole song is basically a moral dielmna on whether she values victory or truth more! If she was the way she is in the final version she'd just choose victory but honestly this whole song, and Karl Marx's criticism of her in the latter half proves this Ocean is a lot less cruel than official/final Ocean.