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  • Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024

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  • @mshaw290808mi
    @mshaw290808mi 2 года назад +3

    Once again thank you Winky for inviting all of your friends from around the world to come and visit with you in your shop, always enjoyable! I always enjoy learning something new.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Your welcome... however, I made a second and it doesn't work as well and I'm not sure why. I'll figure it out and post my results. Thanks

  • @michaelsteakley1331
    @michaelsteakley1331 2 года назад +12

    An essential basic principle of welding often neglected by welders that I have seen on RUclips, is to bevel one or both of the items to be welded. You welded a fillet weld and then removed most of it, leaving only what limited amount of penetration was created. Simply griding a bevel on the edge of the square stock produces a groove weld, which will be much stronger.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +4

      Yes, and I knew better. Thanks. After making the video I installed a couple screws just to prevent failure. I'll be posting an updated version with plans tomorrow if you're interested. It's also welded but the weld size is not an issue and I also provided a relief for better penetration.

  • @prettynitty0131
    @prettynitty0131 Год назад +73

    well it's a lathe ruclips.net/user/postUgkxN9zrzkkhnjUF5PQbuA_B1gYdsfCu9k6z but it wasn't what i would have anticipated. Headstock, tailstock, carriage apron are manufactured from aluminum now not cast iron. The spindle diameter for the bearings is too small allowing for a few play in the spindle so I am using some blue Loctite to take out the play.

  • @sky173
    @sky173 2 года назад +9

    Great idea. I always have issues cutting off on my lathe. I'll have to give this a try. Thanks for sharing.

  • @peterpocock9062
    @peterpocock9062 2 года назад +1

    I liked your vertical sawing attachment. Very nifty. Also you did a great job of explaining your PT approach. Thankyou.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks! Be sure and check out the next follow up videos on the tool.

  • @andyZ3500s
    @andyZ3500s 2 года назад +3

    Dang Winky that was a great video. You are definitely right about the guys who came before us being clever. I had a feeling that there was going to be a second YEE -- HA with the results that you achieved. Showing the concept behind it with the paper cut out was very effective.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks Andy! I can't figure out why the design got lost.

  • @MrPhatNOB
    @MrPhatNOB 2 года назад

    I got one of these when I bought an old Colchester Student. Originally I left it in the bin of parts ect that came with the lathe. I knew it was a parting tool holder, but I had carbide insert part off tools so I assumed it was redundant.
    After snapping so many inserts and breaking a holder I was getting frustrated and assumed the lathe was too old and worn out to do parting properly.
    After seeing this video and recognising the tool, I immediately tested it (HSS BLADE) and wow!! It just works beautifully! No grabs, smooth cut, even power feed!
    Medium lathe speed, slow cross slide feed, it just works so well.
    I have learnt not to assume now. Thank you very much for your content!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Isn't it amazing that these methods get lost?

  • @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180
    @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180 2 года назад +3

    I've got one of those Armstrong cut off holders, languishing in a drawer since I got my qctp. I'll have to break it out and have a go. Interesting vid, thanks Winky!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Cool. Let me know how it does.

    • @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180
      @thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180 2 года назад

      Well, I dug it out and indeed it's an Armstrong but I guess an earlier model with no split, although the shape is similar with a tall section behind and above the blade. I could probably modify it with a split and to make it fit a qctp holder. No way would I go back to using the lantern holder that it's designed for!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180 - They made one called a Goose Neck that basicly did the same thing. Maybe that's what you have.

  • @BurtonsAttic
    @BurtonsAttic 2 года назад +1

    I've always had issues parting steel. Yours works great, have to give it a try!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I redesigned this tool. It's more predictable and way easier to make. The video will be posted tomorrow with the plans. (2/4/22)

    • @BurtonsAttic
      @BurtonsAttic 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop I’ll be watching!

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop 2 года назад +1

    Gday Winky, this new parting tool works a treat, all the theory adds up, great job mate, Cheers

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Except I made a second one and it chatters??? Can't seem to figure out why... but I will. Thanks

  • @JourneymanRandy
    @JourneymanRandy 2 года назад

    Finally I understand why that was designed like that. I never heard an explanation. You did a nice job making that.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Thanks... I'll post a slightly better version and drawings Friday.

  • @TheRecreationalMachinist
    @TheRecreationalMachinist 2 года назад

    Like that! Thanks for sharing 👍 🇬🇧

  • @dogphlap6749
    @dogphlap6749 2 года назад

    Thanks for this. I started watching this saga on the second video, then the third but now having watched the first I at last understand the reasoning behind this design. Obvious in hindsight but I needed to be walked through the idea as this video does. Much appreciated.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I'm glad you went back. I probably should have repeated he info in part one in the second video.

  • @terryk3118
    @terryk3118 Год назад

    No matter how carefully I plan, there's always something I overlook. Comforting to see you do this as well. I like your work. Nice video work too. Thanks.

  • @peterparsons3297
    @peterparsons3297 2 года назад

    i like it, i have had many mishaps parting, broken parts, broken tools, i like the look of this, a project may be on the cards

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Be sure and watch the following videos. I have a better design that is easier to make

  • @kevinunderwood2931
    @kevinunderwood2931 2 года назад +1

    That’s good thinking and good work, well done and thanks for sharing Mark.

  • @charleskutrufis9612
    @charleskutrufis9612 8 месяцев назад

    Works better than any I've tried. Thanks for the video

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  8 месяцев назад

      Great to hear. There is another video with a better tool and a link to the plans in the description.

  • @arfamortis1
    @arfamortis1 2 года назад +1

    I have a CVA 1A lathe (1960), it has the best cut off attachment point ever. the cross slide has a dovetail on top at the back so you can run a second toolpost or in my case I run a 1/8th inch Armstrong parting tool on it upside down permanently. It's the most rigid set up I've ever used on a lathe of this size. I have 50 years experience as a machinist/engineer and taught shop in a major UK university for 15 of those years.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Running on the back side like that is great. My lathe is not really set up for that. Reverse is also good but a screw on chuck is a problem in reverse.

    • @arfamortis1
      @arfamortis1 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop Running it upside down at the back means you don't reverse for cutting, the bonus is the swarf just falls down into the tray.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@arfamortis1 Exactly, my lathe can not run in reverse AND it can not mount the tool on the back side. The cross slide is not sent up for it.

  • @hawknives
    @hawknives 2 года назад

    Guess Armstrong knew what they were doing.
    Excellent!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I agree. I have another video too. It has a better design ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.html

  • @oh8wingman
    @oh8wingman 2 года назад +24

    You may have been better off to cut a small 1/2" relief on the back of the tool and then use countersunk screws run into threads in the tool. The relief would take the torque and the screws would hold it tight.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +6

      If you are talking about bolting the bar on I absolutely agree. Bolt it in a slot maybe 3/32 deep.

    • @PaulCade
      @PaulCade 2 года назад +4

      Exactly what I was thinking

    • @karlchristoffer1275
      @karlchristoffer1275 2 года назад +1

      @@PaulCade Me too! 👍

    • @idontwantachannel3091
      @idontwantachannel3091 2 года назад

      (after watching the video) ... putting the 1/2" square bar in a shallow slot and retaining the bar with csk screws - instead of welding.

    • @arloames4517
      @arloames4517 2 года назад

      Or try keyhole welding. Drill holes in either part and weld them together through the holes.

  • @normcameron2316
    @normcameron2316 Год назад

    I like it too. That's just great, I can see an end to my parting off problems soon.

  • @edmedlin2936
    @edmedlin2936 Год назад

    Good work and a very interesting tool design. I notice your accent, sounds like home to me. Maryland or Pennsylvania, maybe Virginia. I bought another lathe a few weeks ago and have been accumulating some of the odds and ends I "need" for my small hobby type jobs. Already I miss my old, much bigger and more powerful lathe. Such is life. Thanks for the video, you made everything very clear so that anyone could replicate that tool holder.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  Год назад

      Thanks Ed, the next video highlights a better version.

  • @rjserra5535
    @rjserra5535 2 года назад +1

    Learn something new every day. Interesting cut off tool holder. Regarding the welding, consider putting a generous chamfer on the square stock prior to welding. It will create a v-groove where the square stock lays up against the main body of the tool holder. Then you can weld into the v-groove and not worry about cutting off your weld later to provide good fit to the holder.

    • @brucke23
      @brucke23 2 года назад

      What I was thinking too.....

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Yeah, I knew better on the weld. I'll have an updated version of the tool out Friday. It will be way easier to make.

  • @DeathTollRacing
    @DeathTollRacing 2 года назад

    Great job. I like that!

  • @paulgreenlee190
    @paulgreenlee190 2 года назад

    I am impressed as well!!!. Too bad we aren't neighbors, I could easily teach you to weld since that was my primary profession for 40 years. I was a welding instructor. You could fine turn my machining. Great video down to earth and not complicated at all. Thanks so much.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I'll have a new design with plans posted Friday. I'd love to have welding lessons! Ha Thanks for the thought!

  • @randallpeterson783
    @randallpeterson783 5 месяцев назад +1

    Are plans available for the Very best cut off blade holder? I sure would like to build one. Tnx

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  5 месяцев назад

      There is a better one after this video... I think I need to rename the videos. The plans are in the comment area in the other video (link) ruclips.net/video/p93bUqpdWMg/видео.htmlsi=Twa3xwPxaxkKjluM

  • @skipgoryews1356
    @skipgoryews1356 2 года назад

    very well done ! thanks for the schooling ! Skip

  • @gjkozy
    @gjkozy 2 года назад

    The feed rate was impressive. Nice job!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks! The following video shows a newer version.

  • @f.g.hammer6814
    @f.g.hammer6814 2 года назад

    WOW! This is for me the answer to cut off with a small lathe. Thanks

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Your welcome... the plans will be posted next weeks so check back

  • @bobkelly2447
    @bobkelly2447 2 года назад

    I'm surprised it worked so well because of the thickness of the plate you used I'd have used 1/4" or 3/8" not 1/2" BUT it worked fantastic !
    I tried a cutoff yesterday with my cheapo chinese cut off tool with a carbide insert in it ....
    you guessed it it grabbed and bent the bottom part and busted the insert...
    i said fooie on it and cut it with the HF band saw ! which works a treat now that I have your plate in it ! thank you.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Cut off is tricky. Lots of variables. I made a duplicate of this holder and can't get it to do as well. I'll figure it out but it kind of surprised me.

  • @donaldnaymon3270
    @donaldnaymon3270 2 года назад

    Great video. Nice work. Great design. Thank you for sharing.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, be sure and watch the follow up video

  • @sierraspecialtyauto7049
    @sierraspecialtyauto7049 2 года назад

    Dang it. Another tool to build. Thanks a bunch.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Your welcome. I'll post the plans next week.

  • @davidschwartz5127
    @davidschwartz5127 2 года назад +1

    Wow, that's was impressive, it looks like I need to clone your cut-off tool, I've made many attempts to do cutoffs, I've purchased several types of tools looking for that magic tool, and have yet made a satisfactory cutoff on my lathe a 1935 Leblond 12" round top that I restored in 2018. This fall I took the headstock down, crossfeed, and apron complete down looking for something I missed in the restoration and have not found a smoking gun but, I made some minor improvements. It's back together now but I have had the heart to attempt a cutoff, my excuse is all the cutoff tools I have been wrecked. I do believe I will make your Armstrong tool first and then try it! Thanks, Wink!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      This tool works fantastic.... however, I can't seem to duplicate it. I made a second one and it chatters bad. Here's an older video I made on cut off. ruclips.net/video/B6NMY73eOxU/видео.html

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      This is how to make the tool holder ruclips.net/video/HGAQHjzgs9c/видео.html

  • @Pappaoh
    @Pappaoh 2 года назад +1

    Holy cow! That turned out great. I'm inspired to build my own after seeing your results.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      Wait a week or two. I made a second and it doesn't work as well and I'm not sure why. I'll figure it out and post my results. Thanks

  • @Rustinox
    @Rustinox 2 года назад

    That's a good idea. I should give it a go one of these days.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks, I made another one and it doesn't work as well. Weird huh? I'll figure it out.

  • @AmateurRedneckWorkshop
    @AmateurRedneckWorkshop 2 года назад

    Great cut off tool build there mr. Winky. Thanks for the video.

  • @tiredoldmechanic1791
    @tiredoldmechanic1791 2 года назад

    We had those Armstrong tool holders in high school shop class where almost everything was military surplus from WWII. The lathes and mills had brass plates stating they were US government property on loan to the school.

  • @tomdixon2959
    @tomdixon2959 2 года назад

    Nice video, I had not seen this style holder before. Retired welder here trying to learn machining. On the welding, you could have beveled the corners you welded then when removing the excess weld you would have retained more strength. Thanks for the videos, very helpful and informative.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Yes a v groove would have been better. The next video has a better design.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 2 года назад

    looks great ....... I'll add that to my todo list! Thanks for the info 👍👍😎👍👍

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I made a second one and it chatters bad and I can't figure out why. I'll figure it out but right now I'm stumped. I'll do a follow up. Maybe I'll have a more predictable design.

  • @petermeier4953
    @petermeier4953 2 года назад

    Dear Winky. Thanks a lot for this video!
    Cutting off always was russian roulette to me and I never got my head around the reasons. Now it's pretty clear thanks to you!
    Concerning the vibes on your second attempt: Well, it's about vibes - every single item in this world has got its inherent resonant frequency (frequencies to be correct) depending on the mass, ridgidity and geometrie. Change one part of the equation just a little and it changes everything. A dedicated engineer might be able to solve the equation for not hitting on for speciffic revs and diameter but it might be easier and quicker just to try out. The importent thing is, that the edge wont tend to jam anymore with this holder!
    You really made my day!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks for the comment. Yes you are exactly correct. Everything has a resonance and speed, feed mass, rigidity or flex are all part of the equation. On my new tool design I moved the point of flex toward the cutting edge. This makes the tool more reactive. It pulls out of the cut more when it deflects. I suspect trail and error is way easier than the math involved. Here's the second tool. It works GREAT! ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.html

  • @rexmyers991
    @rexmyers991 2 года назад

    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Winky

  • @RAYAR54
    @RAYAR54 2 года назад

    Mark, that was a nice little project and worked as expected, nice and smooth. Will have to keep that design in mind.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I'll have a new design out Friday with some plans. The new design works better and it's a lot easier to make.

  • @MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc
    @MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 2 года назад +3

    Very nice, that's going to get copied! I've been thinking about making a parting tool holder for a while! The original clamping set up pulled through from the other side, that would give more chuck clearance. Cheers, Matthew

    • @mrayco
      @mrayco 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/user/shorts6OG63fH5uPw?feature=share watch this one

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      Ha... I made a copy and it didn't work as well. Still trying to figure out why!

    • @mrayco
      @mrayco 2 года назад +1

      @@WinkysWorkshop i made mine from an old leaf spring it works well with me.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      @@mrayco That's Great!

  • @stefankrimbacher7917
    @stefankrimbacher7917 2 года назад

    Great job! Many greetings from Austria.

  • @panosgiannosdiy1085
    @panosgiannosdiy1085 2 года назад

    Perfect cut .

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Be sure and watch next video... its a better design

  • @Preso58
    @Preso58 2 года назад +2

    Thanks Mark. Was that just mild steel stock that you used? Seems completely counter-intuitive to make a holder designed to flex like that. Undeniable results though.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Yes it does. However, if you think about it, there will always be flex. If you are lucky enough to have a lathe that is extremely rigid the amount of flex isn't an issue. The trick to this tool is where the flex takes place which is over the top of the tool. As I'm sure you saw in the video this holder tends to pull the tool away from the work. The question is, where is the ideal place for the flex and how flexible is needed. I made a second blade holder just like the first and it did not work. Despite all my efforts I can not figure out why. So I made a new design with the pivot point closer to the point of cutting. This makes the tool retract more when it flexes. I made two... one was a test and the second was for making the video and they BOTH worked! I'll post it Friday. It's also much easier to make.

  • @jacknissen6040
    @jacknissen6040 Месяц назад

    tks for posting.
    Very impressive, so I built one very similar
    but without welding.
    works ok so far but needs fine tuning. eg.
    height needs to be spot on. tool sharpness is important. and maybe I’ll put in a screw to limit spring travel.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  Месяц назад

      Hey, this tool has sort of evolved over time My current tool in better and easier to make. Check it out. ruclips.net/video/KiLHHrG3Y3I/видео.html

  • @douglaspierce7031
    @douglaspierce7031 2 года назад

    I just might have to make one, this is awesome

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks Douglas. I actually have a new design that's easier to make and works a little better. The video will be posted tomorrow along with the plans. Thanks (2/4/22)

  • @bain5872
    @bain5872 9 месяцев назад +1

    The important thing to remember about old timers is that they have crossed this bridge long before you got to it. The best way to cross it has already proved itself.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  9 месяцев назад

      Certainly this is true most the time.

  • @hootinouts
    @hootinouts 2 года назад

    Wow! Glad I watched this. Now I have to build one for my 9" Southbend. I like some of the suggestions below for attaching the 1/2" bar for the tool post; especially milling a shallow channel on the tool post side to set the bar in. Two flathead screws to fasten the bar to the tool holder and your golden. Looks like you made your holder out of cold rolled. Anyhow, you did an excellent job making this.

  • @leonadeau2849
    @leonadeau2849 2 года назад

    I have a couple of the Armstrong cut off tools and they have served me well. I really like your idea and will be making some. Great idea

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I made a second one and it doesn't work as well. Apparently I got lucky. I'll figure it out and post a second video. You might want to wait and see what I come up with. Thanks!

    • @chrisstephens6673
      @chrisstephens6673 2 года назад

      Were you still using power feed with the second. If speeds and feeds are correct, power feed gives a more equal load on the tool, hand feeding can be hit or miss allowing variable flex and cut.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@chrisstephens6673 - Yeah... I always use autofeed. I made a new holder design this morning. The same concept but much easier to make and works perfect. Video on Friday... plus plans.

  • @kerrywil1
    @kerrywil1 2 года назад

    another great on Mark

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Glad you think so! There are two follow up videos with with an updated design if you're interested. They are easier to make and work better too.

  • @fna-wrightengineering
    @fna-wrightengineering 2 года назад +2

    Awesome work! Been following your parting exploits, and I agree this is the best one yet. I think I'll be replicating this somehow, for my 7X mini lathe. Cheers!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      Wait about a week. I just made a second one and it's not working as well. It's identical for the most part. I'll figure it out.

  • @dannywilsher4165
    @dannywilsher4165 2 года назад

    Looks awesome Winky!!!

  • @daveticehurst4191
    @daveticehurst4191 2 года назад

    Winky, the original clamping bolt head underside was tapered. As you tightened the nut it pulled the bolt head inwards clamping the blade tight back against the holder, it also forced the blade down tight against the base of the holder. Regards from Australia.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks - Yeah I knew that. The reason I didn't do that is I didn't want to bolt to damage the top of the blade. The blade I used is concave with fragile edges. It's by far the best blade I have ever used. If the blade fits the slot well (which it does) all the force will be downward, it will never move.

  • @courierdog1941
    @courierdog1941 2 года назад

    I always enjoy your videos and your unique means to achieve a turning or cutting.
    I use the FOR by Eccentric Engineering which also uses the T shaped blade. While it is designed to be used in the QCTP it is designed to be used with the Lathe running in reverse so the chips fall out of the workpiece thus keeping the workforce clear of the removed chips thus minimizing the clogging and some of the risks to the tool digging in.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I like the reverse idea or from behind but I have a screw on chuck and a cross slide that can't go from the back.

  • @daviddazer2425
    @daviddazer2425 2 года назад

    Another fine project!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Dave. Hey, something weird. I made a second tool like this and it chattered terrible and I could not figure out why... so I made a new design. It works great and it's much easier to make. I guess these things happen for a reason.

  • @davidjohnson620
    @davidjohnson620 5 месяцев назад

    very clever idea. I was (am) going to make a rear toolpost but this design has me confused. Have to find the Tom Lipton video and watch this also. Cant weld so will have to think of some other method of mounting it

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  5 месяцев назад

      On a standard setup the point of flexing is normally the compound so the blade digs into the cut when it flexes. With this design the point of flex is where the hole is drilled about the blade. When it flexes the blade pulls away from the cut. Tom's video is good.

  • @tonyc.4528
    @tonyc.4528 2 года назад

    Great idea and build!

  • @MyLilMule
    @MyLilMule 2 года назад +4

    Great job, Mark. I'll just comment a few things, as a certified welder in MIG and TIG. That weld will almost certainly crack and break under heavy stress. Your welder does not have enough power to penetrate as deep as you're going to want for a tool like this. And then you milled off 90% of the weld bond. My recommendations are 1) you need to clamp your work down - maybe it's time to build a proper welding table? 2) When you need clearance, bevel the areas needing welded, so if you have to mill off anything, you're milling off excess - in this case, had you beveled the corners of the square stock that were sitting next to the blade holder, your weld could penetrate into that bevel. And lastly, 3) I would recommend getting rid of your current welding machine and invest in a decent synergic inverter MIG welder - something like the Primeweld MIG 180 or even the Titanium MIG 170 (Harbor Freight). You'll be amazed at how much a better welder you will become using a machine with better technology. Looking forward to your next project!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +3

      Thanks for the great comment. I totally agree on the weld and I should have at least cut a bevel on the square for better penetration. I'm going to install a couple flat head screws for security. In hindsight I should have milled a shallow slot on the back side and bolted it together. I agree about the welder and table. Just having the table taller would be huge. My biggest problem is space and too many interests. I'd love to have a TIG welder too. I was thinking my table matched my welder very well actually! Both are very inadequate! Hehe

    • @MyLilMule
      @MyLilMule 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop I feel your pain on too many interests.The curse of being a maker. I have a 2' x 4' table from CertiFlat. It's not overly big, but is extremely flat and has holes laser cut in for positioning and clamping. Check out the lineup from PrimeWeld. I have their TIG225 - excellent machine. Gets great reviews. I'm waiting for them to come out with a bigger MIG machine (250+ amps) and will then likely replace my Hobart 175.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@MyLilMule - I have a feeling that I'd use the TIG a lot more than the MIG. Most of what I weld is small and I'm usually not in a hurry. Do you think I'd be happy with their multi-process welder? The lack of AC TIG is probably not an issue.

    • @kevinunderwood2931
      @kevinunderwood2931 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop Lincoln’s 210mp multipurpose machine will do mig, tig and stick. However, it does not come with the tig torch. I really like mine.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@kevinunderwood2931 I do need to upgrade! I'm on the fence about AC TIG. Most the multipurpose machines don't have the AC you need for aluminum. I'm guessing I can do without it.

  • @jimburnsjr.
    @jimburnsjr. 11 месяцев назад

    Excellent video... subbed.. nice idea on the band saw

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks, I made one more video on this also... a modification.

  • @chuckthebull
    @chuckthebull 2 года назад +3

    Ben battling the cut off chatter right along with you and this is interesting idea...instead of trying to ridged everything letting the tool take up the vibration to counter it is quite genius. I'm going to try and make something for the hobby lathe along these lines.. cheers!~!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +3

      The pivot point it the secrete. It flexes above the blade so the tool pulls away from the cut. Thanks and good luck.

  • @Okie-Tom
    @Okie-Tom 2 года назад

    Worked very nice! Gotta make myself on of these!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I've had some problems duplicating this tool but for now here's another video I made on cutoff ruclips.net/video/HGAQHjzgs9c/видео.html

  • @robertwalker7457
    @robertwalker7457 2 года назад

    Great work, thanks for that.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Your welcome, I'll be posting an updated version with the plans tomorrow. It works great and it's also easier to make.

  • @dcraft1234
    @dcraft1234 2 года назад +1

    cool project. Tom Lipton showed an Armstrong cutoff being used and pushing it till it flexes. Did what it was designed to do.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks! I could feel this flex a little but could not see it. I don't think my 1/2 HP lathe could flex it that much but obviously it's doing what it is supposed to do. I think I saw that video.... maybe 3 to 5 years ago.

    • @deemstyle
      @deemstyle 2 года назад

      I wasn't able to find any OxTool video showing a cut off, but I did find this one which is very relevant: ruclips.net/video/KETVR9qtEmY/видео.html

    • @deemstyle
      @deemstyle 2 года назад

      And Mr. Pete show an Armstrong gooseneck holder which is the same concept: ruclips.net/video/9y0MmvscBzg/видео.html

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      @@deemstyle Thanks for the link. I remember seeing those Gooseneck holders before but never thought about why they were made like that. You are right, it has the same effect. I sometimes get chatter cutting threads and acme threads are almost imposible! I see another tool holder in my future! Thanks!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      @@deemstyle - I remember seeing that video a few years ago. I wanted to see it used! Oh well... still a great video. I think I may make one for threading. Acme threads are a pain. I'll bet this tool would work great!

  • @trollforge
    @trollforge 2 года назад

    Very interesting project Mark!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks! I was surprised how well it works.

  • @TERRYB0688
    @TERRYB0688 2 года назад

    Hi Mr Winky, I have one of those Armstrong cut off holders but never been able to get blades for it so never used it, I used to have problems with parting off but somebody told me it’s all about making sure your tool is dead centre and constant pressure, now I part of stainless steel with ease.
    Some help with you welding techniques move the torch left to right and watch your puddle. Good job going to make one and try it out 🤗👴🏻

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      Cut off problems have a major amount of culprits. Spindle diameter, chuck overhang, how the compound is made etc. I always use autofeed with cut off. In the past I have had situations were faster feed is better than slow. Also slower lathe speed... or faster. Larger more ridged lates are way more forgiving. With small lathes you are working with multiple resonances. Probably the biggest problem with most small older lathes is the depth of the chuck. The spindle size is not adequate to handle work 4.5 inches from the bearing. I suspect this cut off tool holder will resolve most these issues. The old chucks that came with these lathes worked way better... very shallow.
      As for welding... I used to travel the other way but the best welder I ever saw pushed the tip. I can't say my welding improved by doing this but it doesn't seem to matter for me. I used to be good at stick welding and yes watching the pool helped. Mig is happening too fast.... just don't see it. My biggest problem is being dead on center.

    • @shakdidagalimal
      @shakdidagalimal 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop I have a 500w shop light I put near my welding and shine into the area - it's just below tripping the autohelmet - that way I can see everything with the helmet down and me in position before pulling the trigger. If I lose my spot - just let go of the trigger - can see again in the quick pause-

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@shakdidagalimal I've done the same although it was a clamp light and temporary. Not 500 watt either. That would help for sure!

  • @richardhaen
    @richardhaen 2 года назад

    Very good video, sure was ver good, u r very creative did a very good job with all of the building, I would like to
    build one. I haven’t finished the other one u made first one u showed.
    Very good job

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thank you very much! I'll be posting plans for a simplified version Friday.

  • @stylianos4570
    @stylianos4570 2 года назад

    Amazing!!!!
    Thanks for sharing again!!!

  • @kentuckytrapper780
    @kentuckytrapper780 2 года назад

    Something else I gotta build, great video winky, keep'um coming..

  • @philipdevonald1273
    @philipdevonald1273 2 года назад

    Nice project.

  • @zvonibab
    @zvonibab 2 года назад

    I am impressed to. and I like it too!

  • @jimc4731
    @jimc4731 2 года назад

    Mill the blade holding slot at a slight angle to give the blade a little top rake for better yet performance.
    Keep up the good work, JIM

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      You might be right! I don't thick it needs much put this might be a plus - Thanks

  • @EverettsWorkshop
    @EverettsWorkshop 2 года назад

    I've seen the Armstrong style cutoff tool with the flexion in it before but never used one. That turned out to be a very effective tool, I may have to try one of those at some point if I can't get my parting issues figured out on my import lathe, lol!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Hello Everett, I have a new design I'll be posting tomorrow. It seems to work well and it's a lot more simple to make. Oddly, I made a second holder of this design and it acted like a tuning fork. Apparently the tool was slightly different in weight or rigidity but I never did figure out how to fix it. So far this new design is great!

  • @rightwinggunslinger1
    @rightwinggunslinger1 2 года назад

    Excellent! Going on the to do list

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I hope to have the drawings posted in about a week. Thanks

  • @kencurtis508
    @kencurtis508 2 года назад

    Great video, thanks for sharing.

  • @ronkennedy213
    @ronkennedy213 2 года назад

    Wicked sharp idea. I also struggle with cutoff tool use so I will be looking for the drawings. Thanks

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      You will be surprised but it will be a good one.

  • @lesmaybury793
    @lesmaybury793 2 года назад +1

    That was super interesting. I wonder if the design could work on a soggy mini lathe? 🤔, always a problem with those machines made from Chinese rubber 😉. A project for spring me thinks.
    Thanks for another great idea.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      This guy here is using one on his soggy lathe ruclips.net/video/RWhIa-3gMfg/видео.html

  • @dlfabrications
    @dlfabrications 2 года назад

    Job well done!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      The next video is a better design if you are interested.

  • @nashguy207
    @nashguy207 2 года назад

    Looks like it works pretty good!!

  • @3dmakerzone75
    @3dmakerzone75 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. I too have problems parting off on my lathe. Would love to see an update after you've used it for a while.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      It's still working well but here's something weird. I made a second one and it chatters bad and I can't figure out why. I'll figure it out but right now I'm stumped.

  • @hitoortega1616
    @hitoortega1616 2 года назад

    Excellent. !!!!!!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Thanks... there will be a new version posted Friday. It's easier to make and works well.

  • @Tensquaremetreworkshop
    @Tensquaremetreworkshop Год назад

    Amazed this works- looks like a recipe for chatter. Guess the thickness of the steel used reduces the movement- and that might match the mount flexing, giving a neutral overall movement. Fortuitous.

    • @Morkmtw
      @Morkmtw Год назад

      The trick to this design is that the blade pulls back when deflected. The feed rate and speeds are a little finicky. When the blade first contacts the work it lets out a scream (high pitch chatter) for about one second until the tool is compressed a little.

    • @Tensquaremetreworkshop
      @Tensquaremetreworkshop Год назад

      @@Morkmtw I understand the principle of unloading the cutter by deflection- my concern is that this is a dynamic system, with feed altering the load over time, and the mass of the assembly (sort of 'unsprung weight') acts as a mechanical inductance. Depending on values, oscillation can result- I.e. chatter. Without a lot of analysis, this may be a matter of luck when choosing dimensions.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  Год назад

      ​@@Tensquaremetreworkshop Yep, I agree. The right feed rate is critical and the amount of stick out, width of blade, strength of spring all play a part. I will say however that the I have been using the final version without much issue for quite a while now. Yesterday I extended the blade and cut 2-inch stock and aside from the momentary (and deafening) scream it the start of the cut it was without issue. It may not be perfect and there maybe a better combination but it works. I also made a solid direct mount design but it was more time consuming to use. It eliminated the tool post and mounted to the compound. it worked near prefect also but without the scream! Ha

    • @Tensquaremetreworkshop
      @Tensquaremetreworkshop Год назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop That suggests the carriage flexion and the holder flexion may be fighting each other... Adding a resistive load (friction) may damp the resonance. Moving it above the audible range may also be possible.
      Do you clamp your carriage while parting?

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  Год назад

      @@Tensquaremetreworkshop It's the same as moving chalk on a chalk board. It makes a noise until you apply more pressure. Yes, I lock the carriage although it acts the same with unlocked. The pressure is 100% downward and there is no chance of movement. I lock it to avoid the possibility of bumping the carriage handle and moving it laterally. The screech is only an annoyance. I sometimes start the cut rapidly before engaging the power feed. And yes, there probably is flexing in the compound until the downward pressure on the blade fully removes clearances in the dovetail slides and also partly compresses the flex in the tool. The tool is not perfect but beats the heck out of the standard blade holder. No planetary alignment required.

  • @johnnym1320
    @johnnym1320 2 года назад +1

    Pretty awesome! I may have to build one for myself, you could use 2 button head screws on top and bottom of the cutoff blade to hold it in place to increase the clearance

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      That's a good idea. The only concern if that the top of the blade is concave and has a cutting ends on the side. the screw might damage the blade edge.

    • @johnnym1320
      @johnnym1320 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop make a thin aluminum washer to go under the head of the screw

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      @@johnnym1320 The problem is, the blade is slightly recessed and the top is larger. The blade is T shaped. The top 3/16 can not be clamps because the recess behind it is slightly deeper than the blade.

  • @LetsRogerThat
    @LetsRogerThat 2 года назад

    Mark, that was awesome. I'm gonna have to make one as I'm working on a cutoff tool shootout video that compares various cutoff tools and holding setups. Gilles ;)

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Cool... here's something weird. I made a second one and it chatters bad and I can't figure out why. I'll figure it out but right now I'm stumped. If you make one and it works let me know.

  • @arvidjedlicka6237
    @arvidjedlicka6237 2 года назад

    Anxiously await the plans and material recommendations. Thanks.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      Unless something comes up I'll post a short video and the plans next Friday. Thanks for watching.

  • @ParsMaker
    @ParsMaker 2 года назад

    Nice work , I guess I need to build one too

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I'll have a new video posted tomorrow with a new (and better) design and the plans.

    • @ParsMaker
      @ParsMaker 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop I look forward to it, thanks

  • @oldowl4290
    @oldowl4290 2 года назад

    This is fantastic. Thank you.

  • @edsmachine93
    @edsmachine93 2 года назад

    Nice work.
    You also could drill and tap and counter bore two screw on the weld side into your tool holder for additional holding power.
    To take some pressure off of the weld.
    Also the .500 x .625 is a great idea.
    I really like the holder.
    I think I'll make one myself.
    Great content.
    Thank you, EM.

  • @yt66228
    @yt66228 2 года назад

    I designed an upside down cut off holder. Works great. All problems went away. Never go back to original way!

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      If you have a lathe that runs in reverse that works well for the same reason this tool works. Many older lathes have screw on chucks however. Parting from behind and upside down works well too but many cross slides don't extend for enough back.

  • @johnspathonis1078
    @johnspathonis1078 2 года назад

    Thank you for the video. There is always something to learn. The weld would have been stronger if you had ground a chamfer ( half 'V' weld prep) on the square stock you were welding on.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      I agree... be sure and watch part 2

    • @johnspathonis1078
      @johnspathonis1078 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop Thank you for the reply. I await Pt2.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      @@johnspathonis1078 It's already posted, here you go: ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.html

  • @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
    @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 10 месяцев назад

    I just made a swan neck parting off tool from a piece of carbide tipped circular saw blade, much easier to make and it worked quite well.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  10 месяцев назад

      That's super cool. Do you have a video?

    • @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
      @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 10 месяцев назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop Sorry, no; when I said "I just made.." I was referring to the simplistic method of construction, rather than meaning recently, it was probably 20 years ago. I don't even think I still have the tool, I think someone chucked it in a clear-out. I used a green grit grinding wheel in a Dremel type tool to put a little dip in the carbide tip to "crimp" the chips (so they are narrow enough not to jam in the grove ) this also seemed to work well.

  • @paulkapala2960
    @paulkapala2960 2 года назад

    Great Job Im Amaised! Winky

  • @leec2106
    @leec2106 11 месяцев назад

    I would suggest milling a groove for the height knob clearance, I am guessing 20 to 60 thousandths should work for you. Good luck. Lee

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  11 месяцев назад

      that would have worked well. I ended up making a little different style after this one anyway. Thanks

  • @neillawson4493
    @neillawson4493 2 года назад +2

    I've seen people use countersunk screws to hold the 1/2" square piece to give a clean join.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +1

      I think that would be a better approach. I could also slot the back maybe 3/32" and it would never move.

    • @neillawson4493
      @neillawson4493 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop most of the youtube examples I've seen have been from a Russian or at least Slavic channel so I can't really tell you much more. It is an amazing mount and now that I've seen your video I'm going to give it a go.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад +2

      @@neillawson4493 I'll have the plans drawn up by Friday. Updated without welding.

  • @samdunston6296
    @samdunston6296 2 года назад

    Its on my list, thank you

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      A new easier to make design will be posted tomorrow if you are interested. Thanks!

  • @de-bodgery
    @de-bodgery 2 года назад

    I don't like the clamping mechanism for the cutter since it means you need lots more clearance between the chuck and the cut-off line. However...the total LACK of any chatter at all was impressive. I think I'll have to try making one of these. What kind of steel did you use?

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      It's mild steel... check out my next video ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.html

  • @valveman12
    @valveman12 2 года назад

    I was thinking it may have been better to weld the square piece by drilling holes where the tool goes, welding the square bar via the holes drilled, and then some cleanup.
    BTW: That bandsaw attachment is something I have to build for my bandsaw. Great idea...

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      That bandsaw idea was given to me by a viewer. I agree, it was fantastic! 2 x 2 tubing would be fine. I just had the 3 x 3. Your welding idea is good. I like it. However, I made a new tool after this one that is both easier to make and works better. Check it out ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.html

    • @valveman12
      @valveman12 2 года назад

      @@WinkysWorkshop
      Thank you for the reply... Subscribed 👍

  • @martinolesen9930
    @martinolesen9930 11 месяцев назад

    Hello Sir, really interesting concept.
    I have a very small mini lathe, and i am really have problems doing parting, and i would like to try to make this blade holder, but maybe a bit smaller for my little late.
    Would you, by any chance have made a drawing with dimensions of the tool, as guideline for such a blade holder?

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  11 месяцев назад

      watch this follow up video - ruclips.net/video/s9qcd5-wj3c/видео.htmlsi=t7Pkoa7JIJxegPP_

  • @seanrodden6151
    @seanrodden6151 2 года назад

    Hi Winky, great result. One thing I noticed on the blade clearance on the back half, you made allowance above but the original seemed to have several mm below as well which it seemed you didn't replicate. Might be worth widening that part as well.

    • @WinkysWorkshop
      @WinkysWorkshop  2 года назад

      Good observation. I'm not sure why this would make a difference but you never know.

    • @seanrodden6151
      @seanrodden6151 2 года назад

      Downward motion as the tool catches may mean it needs that extra wiggle room. i.e. not simple rotation.