I agree where Tiller Bric says 13:58 that we are all changing and evolving but I doubt that Kazuhisa Wada wants to change or evolve I think he would rather stay in his little world where no woman becomes the protagonist of any of the persona parts and I just find that very sad
@@quantizedanson Could be fact is none of us know 100% what is going on at such game company I think it's more because of Kazuhisa Wada but I could be wrong
12:50 is such a crazy reason, I dont think thats their reason at all and is just an excuse,They just dont want to and dont have a concrete reason for it, like a male protagonist would be more popular, the standard and doing both would be a pain for them, which is really lame.
It's probably the reverse - where some staff in the company got statistics about customer groups and insist they're right Metaphor Prototypes shown at Archipel had Female Red Hair MC running around the map
3:53 I'm kinda surprised they didn't include Joker getting into smash bros on that list. I feel like that's when a lot of people found out about the series. At least for me, that's the first time I'd properly seen it
Honestly Spin Offs are a perfect avenue for trying out ideas and concepts. I would love some Qol and additions from P5T P5X and P5S As for the FMC it sounds more like they want to be able to put in there "let's be real" Pervy Anime Tropes Yknow the weird tradition of the boys getting beat up over a misunderstanding. The MC having an Older Women as a Romance Option I've played these games and it's clear there still In the early 2000's when it comes to these troupes If someone gets the tingles from Ryuji perving on Ann or Yukari being naked or Rise in her Swimsuit more power to them But honestly fanservice can be good even great but it feels like they need to use the cheapest form of it It feels like they think the Main Demographic are just teen boys sometimes I get the fear of wanting to push the series in a different course but like they've already proven the concepts We've seen that an Adult in the Persona Gang works We already had a FMC P5X shoes the combat complexity and narrative complexity If this was years ago some of this would make sense but now it's just an excuse At this point I'm more excited about a possible spin off that has the balls to utilize the series Over whatever P6 will be Even Yakuzuka 7 does Social Links/Confidants better Use other templates for the next entry It just erks me that these are the retorts to why Persona should be stagnant
And shoot we've had a recent FMC *and* a talkative MC in the form of Ringo from Soul Hackers 2 as well, and while that game admittedly bombed, she's widely considered *the* main highlight of it. And then you've got Will from Metaphor, who maintains a firm personality no matter the dialogue option (earnest with a playful side), talks a decent amount too, and he's pretty well-liked as well. Makes it hard to look back at P5 sometimes because if anyone deserved that, it's *100% Joker.* But you can really feel them stifling everything that makes him great, especially in the anime, for the sake of maintaining tradition. Knowing that Soejima *regrets* Yu having a personality in the P4 anime, and they tried to tone that down for Ren, will not boggle my mind.
As for how I'm feeling about the future of Persona, I really want more female protags in Persona. And SMT in general (as the Persona series is part of the Shin Megami Tensei franchise) I hate the fact that since after 3 Portable, we haven't had a female protag in the SMT franchise after Kotone. As the female protag of 3 Portable was my first way I played any Persona game. As such, having a female protag in Shin Megami Tensei is very important to me. I still bought and beat Persona 5 Royal despite having no female protag option, but I still want female protags in the SMT franchise. I feel more comfortable being in the role of a girl in games, and not for "creep" nor "attractive" reasons.
Thats such a crazy reason like yeah, they may be more collected for the most part, but they still very much act like highschoolers. It jist manifests a little differently, and if atlus was willing to go out of their comfort zone to explore that difference...
They could just say they aren't confident that having a female lead will bring in as much money and leave it at that. The excuse they made runs counter to the way Persona fundamentally works in the first place. Since they're silent protagonists, the emotional age of the character is whatever the player wants them to be, whether it's answering most questions from a place well beyond their age, or just joking an acting like a completely oblivious teenager. That excuse literally makes no sense.
Heh, I think I see Honkai Impact 3rd's "Teri-Teri" meme artwork in the bottom right of the screen during the played visuals of Persona 5 Phantom X in this video
The real reason they stick with the high-school setting and male protags probably comes down to market data way more than whatever justifications they claim after the fact.
-I don't mind the spinoffs, I just wish they were more sequels like Strikers. I'd prefer if they get rid of the rerelease trend. I rather not buy the same game twice and the new content often feels like they would be better off in another game than stapled onto the original. I'm a bigger fan of FF's approach over Persona's. - I'm fine with a female protagonist. Having a second playable character allows for more replay value. -I'm fine with high school but the novelty can wear off pretty fast. A middleground approach would be to have spinoffs set in different eras like Digimon. For example, you could have p6 set in high school, p6-2 in college, p6-3 work life.
It's... So wild that there's the belief that "women mature faster than men, ergo they don't go through change or growth as much" after we *just* got Strikers with Sophia, the ladies in the Phantom Thieves (especially Futaba), *and* the ladies in the Investigation Team (especially Naoto). They don't "go through less growth," they go through *more complicated* growth that most writers just don't want to bother with, especially if it challenges societal norms. 🫠
I wont even say more complicated, id say just straight up different, and wirters just dont feel comfortable exploring that, unfortunately. Like, id love the highschool setting if it was FeMC so the persona series could explire that lens more in depth than they did with p3's FeMC or p2's. Now i kinda get the bad omen it will just feel like the past 3 mainline games. The novelty just fr wore off if im gonna be another highschool boy, as opposed to a college dude or a man.
I agree where Tiller Bric says 13:58 that we are all changing and evolving but I doubt that Kazuhisa Wada wants to change or evolve I think he would rather stay in his little world where no woman becomes the protagonist of any of the persona parts and I just find that very sad
My guess is its more like Japanese Social norms + other ppl in the company convincing him with customer data
@@quantizedanson Could be fact is none of us know 100% what is going on at such game company I think it's more because of Kazuhisa Wada but I could be wrong
12:50 is such a crazy reason, I dont think thats their reason at all and is just an excuse,They just dont want to and dont have a concrete reason for it, like a male protagonist would be more popular, the standard and doing both would be a pain for them, which is really lame.
It's probably the reverse - where some staff in the company got statistics about customer groups and insist they're right
Metaphor Prototypes shown at Archipel had Female Red Hair MC running around the map
3:53 I'm kinda surprised they didn't include Joker getting into smash bros on that list. I feel like that's when a lot of people found out about the series. At least for me, that's the first time I'd properly seen it
Honestly Spin Offs are a perfect avenue for trying out ideas and concepts.
I would love some Qol and additions from P5T P5X and P5S
As for the FMC it sounds more like they want to be able to put in there "let's be real" Pervy Anime Tropes
Yknow the weird tradition of the boys getting beat up over a misunderstanding.
The MC having an Older Women as a Romance Option
I've played these games and it's clear there still In the early 2000's when it comes to these troupes
If someone gets the tingles from Ryuji perving on Ann or Yukari being naked or Rise in her Swimsuit more power to them
But honestly fanservice can be good even great but it feels like they need to use the cheapest form of it
It feels like they think the Main Demographic are just teen boys sometimes
I get the fear of wanting to push the series in a different course but like they've already proven the concepts
We've seen that an Adult in the Persona Gang works
We already had a FMC
P5X shoes the combat complexity and narrative complexity
If this was years ago some of this would make sense but now it's just an excuse
At this point I'm more excited about a possible spin off that has the balls to utilize the series
Over whatever P6 will be
Even Yakuzuka 7 does Social Links/Confidants better
Use other templates for the next entry
It just erks me that these are the retorts to why Persona should be stagnant
And shoot we've had a recent FMC *and* a talkative MC in the form of Ringo from Soul Hackers 2 as well, and while that game admittedly bombed, she's widely considered *the* main highlight of it.
And then you've got Will from Metaphor, who maintains a firm personality no matter the dialogue option (earnest with a playful side), talks a decent amount too, and he's pretty well-liked as well.
Makes it hard to look back at P5 sometimes because if anyone deserved that, it's *100% Joker.* But you can really feel them stifling everything that makes him great, especially in the anime, for the sake of maintaining tradition.
Knowing that Soejima *regrets* Yu having a personality in the P4 anime, and they tried to tone that down for Ren, will not boggle my mind.
As for how I'm feeling about the future of Persona, I really want more female protags in Persona. And SMT in general (as the Persona series is part of the Shin Megami Tensei franchise) I hate the fact that since after 3 Portable, we haven't had a female protag in the SMT franchise after Kotone. As the female protag of 3 Portable was my first way I played any Persona game. As such, having a female protag in Shin Megami Tensei is very important to me. I still bought and beat Persona 5 Royal despite having no female protag option, but I still want female protags in the SMT franchise. I feel more comfortable being in the role of a girl in games, and not for "creep" nor "attractive" reasons.
12:50 is he saying female high-schoolers don't experience growth or get more mature ? Lololololol
Man really just said "high schooler girls already completed their character arc, no protagonist energy"💀
don't you know girls stay the same mental age as when they were in high school?
not just the adults, but the women and the children too
Thats such a crazy reason like yeah, they may be more collected for the most part, but they still very much act like highschoolers. It jist manifests a little differently, and if atlus was willing to go out of their comfort zone to explore that difference...
They could just say they aren't confident that having a female lead will bring in as much money and leave it at that.
The excuse they made runs counter to the way Persona fundamentally works in the first place.
Since they're silent protagonists, the emotional age of the character is whatever the player wants them to be, whether it's answering most questions from a place well beyond their age, or just joking an acting like a completely oblivious teenager.
That excuse literally makes no sense.
10:50 basically adult and woman are minority of the focus, just not as a protagonist. (unless there is afterthought such as dlc or extended version)
Heh, I think I see Honkai Impact 3rd's "Teri-Teri" meme artwork in the bottom right of the screen during the played visuals of Persona 5 Phantom X in this video
The real reason they stick with the high-school setting and male protags probably comes down to market data way more than whatever justifications they claim after the fact.
-I don't mind the spinoffs, I just wish they were more sequels like Strikers. I'd prefer if they get rid of the rerelease trend. I rather not buy the same game twice and the new content often feels like they would be better off in another game than stapled onto the original. I'm a bigger fan of FF's approach over Persona's.
- I'm fine with a female protagonist. Having a second playable character allows for more replay value.
-I'm fine with high school but the novelty can wear off pretty fast. A middleground approach would be to have spinoffs set in different eras like Digimon. For example, you could have p6 set in high school, p6-2 in college, p6-3 work life.
"Female Protagonist"
"Adult Characters"
so.....Persona 2 Eternal Punishment?
Cool
It's... So wild that there's the belief that "women mature faster than men, ergo they don't go through change or growth as much" after we *just* got Strikers with Sophia, the ladies in the Phantom Thieves (especially Futaba), *and* the ladies in the Investigation Team (especially Naoto).
They don't "go through less growth," they go through *more complicated* growth that most writers just don't want to bother with, especially if it challenges societal norms. 🫠
I wont even say more complicated, id say just straight up different, and wirters just dont feel comfortable exploring that, unfortunately. Like, id love the highschool setting if it was FeMC so the persona series could explire that lens more in depth than they did with p3's FeMC or p2's. Now i kinda get the bad omen it will just feel like the past 3 mainline games. The novelty just fr wore off if im gonna be another highschool boy, as opposed to a college dude or a man.