THIS IS A VIDEO IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!! I can’t stand the moon gauges in my 89 Sierra and want to change it to a needle Tac dash! Thank you for this and the links!
I really appreciate you taken the time to explain how to do the cluster swap, I own an 88 1500 and I have always been hesitant about swapping my cluster, The information you provided in this video in priceless to me I just bought my cluster and will be getting it done this weekend thank Sr. I really appreciate the effort you put in making this video that really helped me and I am sure many others, good luck with your sons project.
Thanks Carlos. I just like the needles, pure preference and nothing more. I loved the moons when they came out for the first time and had trucks with them. They were cutting edge at the time. Thanks for watching!
Good explanation despite the fact i dont need the tutoria, my truck was a 94 to begin with. But such vids relaxes me 🤣🤣🤣am an odd ball . Btw, nice of you to do this for your son. His first truck? If i was him, i would be there watching this, ove always been a ciroous kid 🤣.
Thanks a lot! This isn't his first truck but he likes the old stuff quiet a bit. We will end up fully restoring before we are done. We just have other projects that come first. Thanks for watching.
On mine there was. I was expecting to have to run a wire for the tach, but mine did already have the wire. I don't think they all are like that from what I've read. Thanks for watching!
I would think so for sure. You put the right colors from your old harness where they go for the new needle gauges. I would be surprised if it didn't work. Thanks for watching!
OK, I got rid of the bad links. The ones that are there now are actually the ones you see me use in the video. Let me know if they work for you. I stored the main one on my google account so it will always be available. I don't know why they are closing such useful web pages. The one I have on my google account was also lost but I saved it to my computer before they closed it and I re-uploaded it. Thanks for watching and let me know if it still works for you.
Did you have to run the white wire from the new harness to the tach? I have an 89 with manual transmission and I don’t have the white wire in my harness. Also I have a tan and black wire that I’m not sure where it goes, I’ll have to trace it. I followed the diagram and my Speedo is acting like the tach 🤦🏻♂️any help would be greatly appreciated
All the wires I used were already present on the cluster side and the harness side. I just had to match them up by color more or less. I am sorry, I do not know what the black and tan wires are. Sorry I was no help. Ours being an automatic is probably the difference.
I went ahead and wired the new harness and my tach work now wired to my coil. But the drac box had a brown wire that the diagram showed to be disconnected. Any idea what that wire is for
I see that the main wiring page is down and that you added a few links to try to help. We’re you able to see if you had any of the wiring info downloaded still? I’ve got everything together to do the swap just need the wiring images
No, I couldn't find anything that I saved and I looked for a while. No links to the websites work. On that note, the wiring diagram that you are looking for wasn't 100% accurate. I mention this in the video. I ended up trusting the color of the wires and just connecting color for color after I found errors in the website info. In my situation every wire on the new plug has a matching wire on the harness I was connecting to. It didn't matter the pin location because the new plug knows where it needs that color wire. The only thing is you will have more blacks and pinks(if I remember correctly. It's in the video). You will just wire all the blacks in a bundle and wire them to a single black wire. Then wire all the pinks in a bundle and wire them to a single pink wire. I would do this mod now without the websites. Saying all of that, this was on my truck and yours may vary but I highly doubt it. I truly hope this helps and good luck! P.S. The Drac wires were also color for color from the Drac module to the old harness.
Hey man just wanted to say that I did the swap today and got it all figured out. Had to rewatch the video a few times but from looking at the pictures in the video got it figured out. Loving the new(to me) gauges and especially having the tachometer now! Just gotta order in some leds and it’ll all be done
@@seanh.8190 That's Great Sean! Thanks for letting me know how it turned out. I know the links are no longer functional but was thinking it could be done with the info in the vided. So glad it worked out for you!
@Sean H. what year is your truck I'm trying to do this to my 90 . I see it's all color to color correct but what about the drac box do the colors match on those. I found something online showing the wires are slightly different on the drac to old wiring
I'm putting a 92-93 needle gauge cluster in a 1989 Chevy C1500. I have the cluster # QAA and the plug for it. I need a Drac Module, can you please tell me which one I would need that can be programmed for my tire size and gear ratio? Thank you
I think either module will work. There are 2 styles. One has 7 jumpers and the other has 14. The jumpers are where the dip switches go. Get the one with 7 so there is less soldering of the dip switches. (I know I answered you in email. This information for someone that may has the same question).
I got an 94 Chevy 1500 with the new cluster you just put in the truck, but personally I think the 88-91 cluster looks better. I’m thinking about swapping it. All I would have to do is replace the main plug with the needle one?
So im trying to swap a 92 needle cluster into a 91 moon cluster i have a separate tach and water temp since i did tbi to carb swap are the wire basically color to color my truck doesnt use the ecm
Great Video. So can you tell me where you got the wiring information from. I'm wanting to do this same swap in my 89 K2500 Chevy. Mine has the 5.7 and the 700R4 Trans in it.
I put the links in the video description of this video. It is also the first comment in the comment section as I pinned it there a long time ago. Good luck.
that little switch that’s on the left hand side under the headlight switches… what does that do? i have the same switch but can’t seem to notice anything change when i switch it
I honestly don't know. So you want the Moon Gauges and ditch the needles? I think it would work. I know the early gauge clusters like in my 91 the drac was built into the cluster. All the wires should be there.
Ok, I just checked it out. They no longer offer free viewing. They want money for a membership. I will look and see if I may still have the downloaded images. If I do I will share with you. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
I guess you are swapping your gage cluster. It really isn't a big deal. As in the video I connect the 94 plug to the same color wires that were connected to the old plug. Very straight forward. Red white to Red white so forth and so on. If you follow the video you should be fine. Thanks for watching!
The web page I am showing is the link in the description that says wiring. It should have all the info I used in the video. You will have to scroll way down.
My drac also has the dark blue wire, the drac was pulled from a 2500, the dark blue wire is located between the white wire and purple with white stripe. Guessing I just need to remove the dark blue wire? Noticed from pictures of other drac’s, they don’t have a wire between the white wire and purple/white.
in the wiring diagram in the description below it says to wire the drac into the 90 plug? i am confused about this as its my last step before my dash is complete (only the speedo is not working). any tips or maybe have a different diagram you could share to wire it into the "new" 92-94 plug? thank you and appreciate the video
Anything referring to the 90 plug will be the harness side of your truck(Which the new plug and drac wire into. Cut wire at old plug and wire new plug or drac into. Do one wire at a time). When you finish, you will only have the drac and your new plug wired into the harness of your truck. There is only one wire from the drac(think light blue and black) to the new plug(this runs your speedo) and everything else goes to the harness. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!!
I would hate for anyone to rely on me to do it. Do you have an electronic shop anywhere nearby. They should be able to do it without a problem. It took me a little while on mine.
so many different plugs for the clusters , I have a 91 GMC 1500 took a year to find a used one that had the pin plugs never thought of changing the wire harness I'm still working on my 91 GMC looks like this now . ruclips.net/video/-BDUuHcDqW4/видео.html still lots to do lol
Links: Dip Switches: amzn.to/3H1Uaqk (Moon to needle swap guide that I used) Wiring: docs.google.com/document/d/1Di2gehyVJpLIc0UkutVEdJ-4KLd7fmEk/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs Drac Calibration: harristuning.com/Tbi/vssb-dra... I am a member of Amazon Associates.
Man this is SOLID information and video. I’ve got a ‘90 Sierra that was my Granddaddy’s that I’m wanting to put ‘94 needles in. It looked overwhelming but with this info and your video, I now know it’s definitely doable. Thanks for sharing!
So there are 2 types. One has 7 jumpers and one has 14. The one in my video has 7. The one with 7 is the one to get because of less soldering. I use the dip switches on mine(shown at the end of the video). I did indeed need them to fine tune my speedometer. The dip switches make the speedo calibration process super simple. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
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THIS IS A VIDEO IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!! I can’t stand the moon gauges in my 89 Sierra and want to change it to a needle Tac dash! Thank you for this and the links!
You are very Welcome! Thanks for watching!
I really appreciate you taken the time to explain how to do the cluster swap, I own an 88 1500 and I have always been hesitant about swapping my cluster, The information you provided in this video in priceless to me I just bought my cluster and will be getting it done this weekend thank Sr. I really appreciate the effort you put in making this video that really helped me and I am sure many others, good luck with your sons project.
Thank you so much for that feedback. That makes it worth while for me to make these videos. Good luck with your swap and Thanks for watching!
What if the truck has an ls style 4l60e? Do i still need the drack module?
@gerardolopez5875 I don't know?
@@ForceBuilt @i think speed wire gors direct from ls pcm, to cluster wire,,,
@@gerardolopez5875 If you are keeping the original computer, I would think you need a DRAC.
Those “Oh no!”’ moments are the worst! Glad it was a simple cause. Nice work and video!
Thanks Ed! Yeah, I was so excited to try it out that I rushed the process in the end. Pretty normal for me lol.
this video was a huge help!! love the moon gauges but unfortunately they are not very accurate. cant wait to actually be able to read my gauges haha
Thanks and Good Luck!
well done sir your a good father who has a good son
Thanks!
Another great video! I'm looking forward to watching this project evolve.
Thanks Mark! Can't wait till we get started on the body and paint. Should be nice!
thank you, i successfully swapped my 89
Congratulations! Thanks for sharing with me! I love hearing success stories.
I have a 91 cheyenne too. I am in the beginning stages of paint and body work.
Good deal. We still have to get started on our paintwork as well. Lots of projects and not enough time. Thanks for watching!
Personally I like updating things but definitely a big fan of those round bar style speedometer in the OBS. Good work though.
Thanks Carlos. I just like the needles, pure preference and nothing more. I loved the moons when they came out for the first time and had trucks with them. They were cutting edge at the time. Thanks for watching!
Good explanation despite the fact i dont need the tutoria, my truck was a 94 to begin with. But such vids relaxes me 🤣🤣🤣am an odd ball . Btw, nice of you to do this for your son. His first truck? If i was him, i would be there watching this, ove always been a ciroous kid 🤣.
Thanks a lot! This isn't his first truck but he likes the old stuff quiet a bit. We will end up fully restoring before we are done. We just have other projects that come first. Thanks for watching.
please supply wiring diagrams so i can do this, link does not work
The wiring link now works. Thanks
Good info thanks
Thanks for watching!
So there was already a pre existing wire in the truck harness to make the Tach on the newer cluster work?
On mine there was. I was expecting to have to run a wire for the tach, but mine did already have the wire. I don't think they all are like that from what I've read. Thanks for watching!
I did this a couple months ago!
That's great! Did it turn out good for you? Mine was perfect! Great to be able to get the needles!
The link for the forum isn’t working anymore
I noticed that. Very useful info there. I wish I had of saved the webpage for offline viewing. Sorry. Thanks for watching
I found the wiring diagram and posted it in my Google Drive. The link now works and will live in my Google drive from now on.
You think that same diagram works to put the moon cluster on my 92 GMC??
I would think so for sure. You put the right colors from your old harness where they go for the new needle gauges. I would be surprised if it didn't work. Thanks for watching!
thank you for share,IM trying to make the same but the links look nlike they are obsolets
OK, I got rid of the bad links. The ones that are there now are actually the ones you see me use in the video. Let me know if they work for you. I stored the main one on my google account so it will always be available. I don't know why they are closing such useful web pages. The one I have on my google account was also lost but I saved it to my computer before they closed it and I re-uploaded it. Thanks for watching and let me know if it still works for you.
Thank you very!much the links work now I will try on a few days.
Did you have to run the white wire from the new harness to the tach? I have an 89 with manual transmission and I don’t have the white wire in my harness. Also I have a tan and black wire that I’m not sure where it goes, I’ll have to trace it. I followed the diagram and my Speedo is acting like the tach 🤦🏻♂️any help would be greatly appreciated
All the wires I used were already present on the cluster side and the harness side. I just had to match them up by color more or less. I am sorry, I do not know what the black and tan wires are. Sorry I was no help. Ours being an automatic is probably the difference.
@@ForceBuilt no worries your info helped me significantly. It’s the upshift wire I’ll have to trace it on the cluster and add it in thank you
I did the same thing on my obs.do a light 💡 como on when you go with the cruise control on in the cluster?
My cruise does work but I haven't seen any indicator on the dash lights. Thanks
I went ahead and wired the new harness and my tach work now wired to my coil. But the drac box had a brown wire that the diagram showed to be disconnected. Any idea what that wire is for
Sorry, I don't know. Is everything working?
@Force Built it was kinda late last night when I finished wiring it I will test drive it and let you know
Everything worked out fine thanks
@@IsaiasMoreno. congrats on the new upgrade! I think you'll like it.
What year truck and gauge cluster swap???
I see that the main wiring page is down and that you added a few links to try to help. We’re you able to see if you had any of the wiring info downloaded still? I’ve got everything together to do the swap just need the wiring images
No, I couldn't find anything that I saved and I looked for a while. No links to the websites work.
On that note, the wiring diagram that you are looking for wasn't 100% accurate. I mention this in the video. I ended up trusting the color of the wires and just connecting color for color after I found errors in the website info.
In my situation every wire on the new plug has a matching wire on the harness I was connecting to. It didn't matter the pin location because the new plug knows where it needs that color wire. The only thing is you will have more blacks and pinks(if I remember correctly. It's in the video). You will just wire all the blacks in a bundle and wire them to a single black wire. Then wire all the pinks in a bundle and wire them to a single pink wire.
I would do this mod now without the websites. Saying all of that, this was on my truck and yours may vary but I highly doubt it. I truly hope this helps and good luck!
P.S. The Drac wires were also color for color from the Drac module to the old harness.
Hey man just wanted to say that I did the swap today and got it all figured out. Had to rewatch the video a few times but from looking at the pictures in the video got it figured out. Loving the new(to me) gauges and especially having the tachometer now! Just gotta order in some leds and it’ll all be done
@@seanh.8190 That's Great Sean! Thanks for letting me know how it turned out. I know the links are no longer functional but was thinking it could be done with the info in the vided. So glad it worked out for you!
I found the wiring diagram and posted it in my Google Drive. The link now works and will live in my Google drive from now on.
@Sean H. what year is your truck I'm trying to do this to my 90 . I see it's all color to color correct but what about the drac box do the colors match on those. I found something online showing the wires are slightly different on the drac to old wiring
I'm putting a 92-93 needle gauge cluster in a 1989 Chevy C1500. I have the cluster # QAA and the plug for it. I need a Drac Module, can you please tell me which one I would need that can be programmed for my tire size and gear ratio? Thank you
I think either module will work. There are 2 styles. One has 7 jumpers and the other has 14. The jumpers are where the dip switches go. Get the one with 7 so there is less soldering of the dip switches. (I know I answered you in email. This information for someone that may has the same question).
Do you still have the Moon Style gage cluster? Do any of the gages work? If so, I'd like to buy the cluster
No, my Father In Law used them in his truck. Thanks for watching
@Force Built ok, cool..if you know of any working Moon Style gages for sale, please let me know. TY
@@jamesweaver1109I’m going to be swapping mine out. If you are still looking for one I will have some
@perryknapp4134 I finally fixed my cluster. Thank you, though
No need the drac! If truck has an ls pcm ? Just run the white and light blue/blk, straight to ls pcm? For tach and soeed,! Correcto???
I honestly don't know.
I got an 94 Chevy 1500 with the new cluster you just put in the truck, but personally I think the 88-91 cluster looks better. I’m thinking about swapping it. All I would have to do is replace the main plug with the needle one?
I think just put the 88-91 main plug in place of the one you have now. I think that would work but I do not know. Thanks for watching!
So im trying to swap a 92 needle cluster into a 91 moon cluster i have a separate tach and water temp since i did tbi to carb swap are the wire basically color to color my truck doesnt use the ecm
Color for color should still apply. You will need the old style harness plug too. Thanks
Great Video. So can you tell me where you got the wiring information from. I'm wanting to do this same swap in my 89 K2500 Chevy. Mine has the 5.7 and the 700R4 Trans in it.
I put the links in the video description of this video. It is also the first comment in the comment section as I pinned it there a long time ago. Good luck.
How did it go for you? I am looking at doing this to my 88.k1500
that little switch that’s on the left hand side under the headlight switches… what does that do? i have the same switch but can’t seem to notice anything change when i switch it
Has to do with the cargo light on the back of th cab. Thanks for watching!
Have you seen the 91 tac cluster very rare it’s a direct plug just have to add one wire.
Yes Jay, I actually looked for that cluster first before doing this swap lol. I should have made mention of that in the video. Thanks for the comment.
@@ForceBuilt I found 1 the other day for my 90
Hopefully everything works out.
Wow you found the pot of gold at the rainbows end! Congratulations! It will work out much easier than what I did lol. Good luck!!
@@ForceBuilt Thanks
@@jays6.021 where I can find it??
I currently have the needle cluster in my 92 and I want to put the 88-92 cluster in mine. Would this install be similar to that?
I honestly don't know. So you want the Moon Gauges and ditch the needles? I think it would work. I know the early gauge clusters like in my 91 the drac was built into the cluster. All the wires should be there.
@@ForceBuilt yes I have the needle cluster but I want to swap to the moonie gauges. Would I just need the plug and wire it up color to color
@@grissom. I think that would be the right way to go about it. That is how I would do it. Thanks
That’s same for 1993 350 5.7 tbi suburban? I want to put a 1996 350 5.7 vortek instrument cluster
Not sure on that. I would think it would work but not sure. Sorry
The link to the 91 plug colors doesn’t show help me out pls !
Ok, I just checked it out. They no longer offer free viewing. They want money for a membership. I will look and see if I may still have the downloaded images. If I do I will share with you. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
I guess you are swapping your gage cluster. It really isn't a big deal. As in the video I connect the 94 plug to the same color wires that were connected to the old plug. Very straight forward. Red white to Red white so forth and so on. If you follow the video you should be fine. Thanks for watching!
The web page I am showing is the link in the description that says wiring. It should have all the info I used in the video. You will have to scroll way down.
@@ForceBuilt thanks Im swapping it to a digital dash and couldn’t find a diagram online lol
@@ForceBuilt drac wiring was not straightforward, neither is access to a diagram
my drac module has a dark blue cable, help got a qwb drac
Send me a picture of your drac wires and plugs to my email so I can see. futuraforce@gmail.com
My drac also has the dark blue wire, the drac was pulled from a 2500, the dark blue wire is located between the white wire and purple with white stripe. Guessing I just need to remove the dark blue wire? Noticed from pictures of other drac’s, they don’t have a wire between the white wire and purple/white.
in the wiring diagram in the description below it says to wire the drac into the 90 plug? i am confused about this as its my last step before my dash is complete (only the speedo is not working). any tips or maybe have a different diagram you could share to wire it into the "new" 92-94 plug? thank you and appreciate the video
Anything referring to the 90 plug will be the harness side of your truck(Which the new plug and drac wire into. Cut wire at old plug and wire new plug or drac into. Do one wire at a time). When you finish, you will only have the drac and your new plug wired into the harness of your truck. There is only one wire from the drac(think light blue and black) to the new plug(this runs your speedo) and everything else goes to the harness. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!!
Did you ever figure it out? Im in the same boat
Is it the same for a manual transmission?
I think so. Not totally sure though.
Would this also work on a 89 Silverado?
I would think so but not 100% sure. I don't know of any reason it will not work.
What would you charge to solder a drac box?
I would hate for anyone to rely on me to do it. Do you have an electronic shop anywhere nearby. They should be able to do it without a problem. It took me a little while on mine.
@@ForceBuilt not really sure if there is anything like that around here as I am still new to the area and don't really know my way around
so many different plugs for the clusters , I have a 91 GMC 1500 took a year to find a used one that had the pin plugs never thought of changing the wire harness I'm still working on my 91 GMC looks like this now . ruclips.net/video/-BDUuHcDqW4/видео.html still lots to do lol
Links:
Dip Switches: amzn.to/3H1Uaqk
(Moon to needle swap guide that I used) Wiring: docs.google.com/document/d/1Di2gehyVJpLIc0UkutVEdJ-4KLd7fmEk/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs
Drac Calibration: harristuning.com/Tbi/vssb-dra...
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Man this is SOLID information and video. I’ve got a ‘90 Sierra that was my Granddaddy’s that I’m wanting to put ‘94 needles in. It looked overwhelming but with this info and your video, I now know it’s definitely doable. Thanks for sharing!
That’s the same from cluster from suburban 1995 to suburban 1993?
Not sure but I think so.
What you going to do with those moonies?
No plans for them.
Would this work on a 1988 Chevy C1500? I don’t think the 1988 has a DRAC module. Trying to swap a 1994 cluster into a 1988.
The 88 has the drac built into the cluster as did mine. You will have to get the drac module separately as I did. Thanks for watching!
@@ForceBuilt Ok thank you!! That helps a whole lot. Does it matter what year DRAC? Do I get a 1988 or a 1994 or does it matter?
So there are 2 types. One has 7 jumpers and one has 14. The one in my video has 7. The one with 7 is the one to get because of less soldering. I use the dip switches on mine(shown at the end of the video). I did indeed need them to fine tune my speedometer. The dip switches make the speedo calibration process super simple. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.