Groundbreaking Research Used Quantum Effects and not Heat To Drive Pistons
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10 papers down the line and it might be something practical! What a time to be alive!
Is that you Dr Karoly Zsolnai-Feher?
Space travel springs to mind.
Lol, two minute papers jokes. I am with it
Two minute papers!!!
Hold onto your papers!
For those saying "this is a useless engine" you have missed the point. This isn't a design for a new type of engine or motor, it is an experiment to show that quantum systems can be used to produce a "force" that can be used.
That's all, a proof of concept, how efficient it is and whether it can replace anything is not the question.
It isn't a new engine, its an experiment to show quantum effects that could be useful, thats all it is.
He stated as much
Power using quantum effects is just mind-blowing.
Mechanical energy derived via quantum fluctuation process'... that's kind what I thought he meant. Like a tiny little internal combustion engine, without the waste gases.
@@seanhewitt603mechanical energy (@25% efficiency) from quantum effects, the effects themselves induced by external magnetic fields and Lazer power, while cooled to near absolute zero.
It's not exactly efficient. Probably
@incandescentwithrage charging two types of partiicals leptons to hadrons and back. Happens happens but how to dodulate between them at will.
Using the same principle we could raise sea water 100 m above sea level, then the falling water would operate a turbine. Free energy ? ;-)
Please note, this interesting experience does not mean free energy !
@@SerGio-xs9ss there is no free lunch. Still, such a hypothetical discussion does move theory forward. To me, so much energy would have to be present, how would you contain it. I keep thinking some would need to escape with each transition and more than a random uncontrollable effect would be impossible. I understand in some stars there is so much energy in the form of trapped gamma rays that they become proton anti-proton pares. But that is in a ridiculously large star and I can't do the math as I only heard the paper mentioned let alone figure out how to contain that. OK, I am on a tangent. Ramble mode off.
Thanks for the video! I've already used the information to craft a V1200 quantum engine and am zooming around my neighborhood at 3 femtometers an hour.
Slow down, ya maniac!
@@TheMedievalman9😂👍
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The idea itself is incredible. The fact that they pulled it off leaves me speechless!
fascinating work honestly.
reminds me of when i used to visit my dads lab.
i see this working in solid state.
BS This concept eats itself (see my other post if you want a clue as to why)
I bet it is literally impossible to scale it to macroscopic sizes though. Quantum mechanics are weird like that, second law of thermodynamics is violated on quantum scale all the time, but never on macroscopic one.
@@klocugh12 I wouldn't discount it so fast. Stranger things have happened.
anton I don't think we use heat to drive pistons. It's the conversion of reactants to products with a change in enthalpy that powers the piston. The pressure production from the reaction pushes the piston. dH = U + d(PV)
I love this thought trajectory ,, We are a hot being in a hot environment however the majority of this universe is cold and it's about time we harnessed this power. Great work!
Lava beings
Imagine finding life that lives at -150C
We would be molten to them
@@azmanabdula Exactly and if they were searching the universe for life we would not be in the "goldilocks" zone for them.
@@sydcrafty5498
Run its the Humans!
Arrrgghhhh
It wasn't until 20 years after the introduction of the canning process that the first can opener was invented , so I'm sure someone will find a use for it . 😊
That's so strange. So everyone was using knives & saws to eat canned goods?
@@Bawkr
Knife was common to open cans with, it took I think another 30 or so years after the can opener that self opening cans came to be popularised.
@nicm2610 Basically, yes, 😄.
@@Bawkr Chewy, eh? Yes, those were the goodl 'ol days. /s
No. Mechanical one yes. Manual ones were around from the time they made the cans and no it wasn't just a knife. Dumb people make up dumb things to feel like they are adding to the conversation and to get attention and then you have a bunch of other dumb people that come along and just listen and believe the new lie because it doesn't contradict anything that they know. They then spread the lie around and then people wonder how a lie got spread so far and wide... it is because you are all dumb as dirt and a few of you are little liars that use everybody else.
Our future is Nanomachines running on a Quantum V8
Hell yea! (Free bird plays in the background)
Huge discovery. Also lovely in its simplicity -- by just understanding the differences of state change of particles, and utilizing that for energy capture!
Amazing!
Thanks for covering this Anton.
What energy capture? The energy needs to come from somewhere, so it's the laser or the magnetic field that is generating the energy used to move any pistons or anything else. Otherwise we would be violating energy conservation and if that is occuring it would obviously be the largest discovery in physics for about 100 years if not more.
@@cyberfunk3793 well sure my man. I wasn't implying anything about free energy. Just capturing work from a piston which, of course, isn't 100 percent efficient.
Have a lovely day. We're on the same page.
@@Shinyshoesz The issue here isn't how efficient it is as long as it's not over 100% as in able to create energy out of nothing. That is what I understood the video was implying and obviously can't be correct.
@cyberfunk3793,
Anton said 25% efficiency.
@@cyberfunk3793 you can violate conservation of momentum via negative frequency as Sir John Pendry's research has recently proven also. thanks
could also be used for Audio, or any kind of signal processing for comms.
Quantum audio processing... Omfg
The word "piston" and the petrolheads freaking out completly😂,its a phase change mashine,thank u wonderfull Anton❤
Isnt the old way also a phase change engine ? Take a liquid, phase change to gas, change gas phase to 💥
I wonder if such an engine could be used in a deep space probe. If it's far from the Sun, it will be very cold and would not take much more energy to cool it to operating temperatures. If could be used for aiming cameras and antennas or even spinning gyroscopes to reorient the probe. Getting convention motors to do the same things in the temperature of deep space requires a lot of engineering. Why not use the cold rather than fight it?
I was thinking the same thing. Or use it for probes on the surface of Jupiter and Saturn's moons. If they have liquid methan on the surface then it should be close to proper temp
I think this is the quantum drive in scifis. Remember that EMDrive a few years back that NASA tested, isn't it in the same concepts arena.
Converting magnetic fields and lasers into energy using quantum effects sounds interesting. Just so you know, it doesn’t create unlimited energy because they wouldn’t have referred to it as ‘25%’ efficient if it did, they still have to get the energy from the laser and the surrounding area.
The 25% was just a result of the efficiency of the setup. I still wonder if theoretically it could be net positive.
@@yepyep266 Nope because they wouldn’t have referred to it as 25% efficient.
This would violate both the 2nd and 3rd law of thermo.
Photons can occupy the same space at the same time because they are essentially waves with no mass.
Boson transitioning fermions do real life work!? I'm already really excited for this episode!! 💪 🧠
"Okay this one is kinda cool".
When I heard the super chill Anton saying that, I immediatelly knew some crazy shit was going on haha.
Quantum algorithms are super important to create a large array of examples of use cases. So this is a wonderful invention
Fermion, And Boson Mechanics
Fermions have resistance, and the resistance is spin like 'Battling Tops' (A game of spinning tops), and the fermions can rotate to their area of least resistance. Fermions have holes that have no resistance, but the holes are inside the spins so become polar orientated. Fermions hold their scale due to the spin being outwards from a central point.
Bosons take advantage of the holes of Fermions to become scalar. Bosons are more likely to spin inwards rather than outwards like fermions. Bosons will merge their central holes into a single body that can contain the in-flow from other bosons.
Hole/Filler physics with scalar spins inwards, and outwards, and their areas of least resistance.
This may be useful on the moon where helium 4 is readily available and the temperatures are cold enough you wouldnt have to dump energy into it just to get it to function.
This is HUGE..... To demostrate effects like that using quantum principles...it's a massive breakthrough.
I wrote to my friends about using BECs for a Carnot cycle back around 2010. This is a more fleshed out variation of such a design. Very cool to see!
The super fluid helium4 is not ‘basically ignoring the idea of gravity’, its adhesion with the surface is simply stronger than gravity.
Hey Anton can you make a video about slowing down lights speed via gas and the recent study of scientists going past the speed of light with pulses? I briefly looked into it but couldn't quite understand it, maybe a video from you would help.
"Great Scott!" A Quantum Flux Capacitor.
Thank you for continuing to make amazing videos Anton, you are appreciated by many many people
So could something like the pulsating lithium 6 be used in photonic computing? For instance if you want to do calculations with light and need some areas to be opaque to light and some to be transparent, you achieve it by transitioning said area between being comprised of either boson matter or fermion matter depending on exactly when you want photons to pass through.
The problem is storing and retrieving the information/state of the photon and doing it fast enough for it not to be a bottleneck that prevents you realising any speed gains from using light in the first place
Switch gears, i see what you did there. A great way to swerve into that pun.
This is seriously profound for what is to come on the future
The cold dark reaches of space would be cold enough. Maybe a space engine to power robotic missions to the stars.
Here's whats going to go down: In 50 years we'll finally finish building the first commercial fusion power plant. Then, a year later someone will perfect the quantum engine and somehow make it easier to build and more compact than fusion.
Energy comes from one thing hitting another: sunlight hits a solar cell, water falling hits a turbine, and so on. Heat differentials have to be very high to convert to electricity. That makes it somewhat impractical. We don't want to use a finite source of initial energy like fossil fuels. Wind and solar are low-energy, but everywhere, except there's no wind in space. If this kind of quantum engine uses differences in energy based on the type of particles in play, then you have something like solar energy: lots of it, but distributed all over the place at low energy. Somehow getting enough energy from it would be key, just like with solar & wind. It would be more like tidal forces, which also provide differences of energy level for input.
That's absolutely mind blowing, thank you for all the news anton!
Could the particles in this “engine” be entangled with particles in a distant identical engine, and allow the engines to be used like transistors in a computer? You wouldn’t need to measure individual particles, just if the engine is “on” or “off”, so it wouldn’t break any physics I can think of.
Quantum entanglement was the first question in my mind as well. The output may be low compared to the energy used, but if you could entangle two such engines, they could be separated by a theoretically infinite distance and only require the single power source connected to one of the pair. Could be used for space exploration
entanglement only entangles the spin of the particle( up vs down ), not its quantum state (fermion vs boson)
@@TristynRusselo Prof Masahiro hotta of Tohoku university has some different opinion in this regards. You can find his papers regarding entanglement on net.
@@TristynRusselo If that is so, then that's unfortunate. I thought quantum entanglement was more about mimicking movement in general, which could potentially lead to forcing them to change their quantum state in order to condense in the same way as the entangled engine. Obviously I have no idea if that's possible, but it sounds awesome to my ignorant mind
@@TristynRusseloI feel like something like this always pops up every time someone tries to do quantum shenanigans more complex than a ”simple” quantum computer.
You have to change the magnetic field to make it work. I'd bet that is the source of the energy. When you increase the magnetic field, the mu changes so that there is less energy in the field.
Anton, whats up, you repeate yourself at the end. Never seen you like this. Were you so excited, or was it to prevent most of these speculativ comments ?
But your absolutely right, its interresting stuff thats way ahead of its time.
If the amount of energy to change the magnetic field is less than the energy from the pressure where does the energy come from?
Well if that is true for the magnetic field, then it's coming from the laser or some other source. It's not creating it obviously.
No, Anton, this one and all other videos from you are ALWAYS very cool. Anything from the most wonderful person Anton is ALWAYS VERY COOL!
Lets appreciate that the paper is open access
Okay, I'm conflicted.
I can see how you could use this to do work, but I cannot see how you can use this to generate energy.
Any closed loop engine cycle can be turned into a closed loop jet cycle.... Even at stupendously cold temperatures. I actually do think this could be built now with current technology, but....
I don't think it could be used to generate energy.
I could be mistaken, but my intuition tells me it would require more energy to switch between boson and Fermion states than what would be harvested through any mechanical or inductive process. The energy required to switch states would have to come from some stored energy source. I cannot think of such a source that could operate at those temperatures.
Entropy must increase; there's no such thing as a free lunch.
@@ReggieArfordthe universe is the ultimate free lunch
Sounds a lot like cold fusion and room-temperature superconductors to me. A really cool concept (no pun intended,) but any practical use will probably be a decade away for the next half a century.
to our visitors from space, this is old news and childs play.
Thanks for another extremely interesting post Anton.
I was always intrigued by the concepts of advanced technology, maybe even alien tech in science fiction, that function in what is today for us unimaginable ways, because they have a way more advanced understanding of physics in our universe. But then I always thought - well - all things have to obey the laws of physics, and so far it seems like the universe like we know, that they can't break.
This starts to get interesting. The universe having even more surprises to offer, some new rules, that we never thought we could use.
And obviously, as I see by the end of the video - we really have to figure out how to efficiently create those environments, where we can use and leverage quantum effects. For quantum computers for once, but also for so many other technologies that seem to arise from new research. So far, we have that barrier with everything. Maybe a barrier for technological advance. We can't realize all that in practice, because we don't know how to efficiently create those environments in a compact way, that enables practical use, or even circumvent the condition of it having to be that extremely cold.
But perhaps all new tech will require that, isolated chambers with near absolute zero temperature. But then, we have to figure out, how we can get that better, than with big lab tech of that size and energy requirement.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Now let's design the first BOTOF (boson to fermion) bomb
The near vacuum conditions in space would dramatically reduce the energy costs to cool the material to the necessary temperatures
If combined with piezoelectric crystal effects you just might be able to generate useful amounts of energy
Thank-you for such a consise easy to understand explanation,
My mind thanks you anton
The spin is an intrinsic unchangeable property. Fermions have half integer spin, bosons have integer ones. You cannot transform a fermion to a boson and vice versa.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🙂👍
RE: bosons
I'm not a physicist, but I seem to remember reading there is an upper limit to how many photons can be crammed into a volume, something encountered in the high power lasers being investigated for use in some fusion reactors. In those situations, m=e/c^2 begins to rear its ugly head, and matter is created by the beam. Given the insane amounts of energy required to make one particle, this really eats into the laser's efficiency, so it's not a good thing.
I learned this while asking the question, "what would happen if you piled every photon in the universe on top of each other?", but it probably bears doublechecking.
When anton says it's cool. You KNOW it's gonna be cool!
Thanks for the excellent walk-through explanation! You do some really fantastic videos man! Very much apprecited!
It could be used on space missions on very cold planets!
TY Anton for showing us an interesting alternative to horsepower.
Remember the 80’s where eeeeverything was labeled turbo and it was something ?
Imagine the next wave in a certain future where everything is labeled quantum
The problem here is it would never seal... the effect would flow through the tiny space between the pistons... you can't seal this stuff well, it wants to go through the smallest spaces.. piston would need to be a sealed ball and the expansion would expand the ball larger then smaller over and over... this would then create movement whos energy can be used to move parts like a piston would
Been a long time since something ground breaking in physics happened. It seems to happen every other day with this guy though.
So it's basically performing the same function as an electric motor: a changing magnetic field is converted into mechanical motion. Except unlike an electric motor, you need an additional step which will incur additional loss. Electric motors are already >80% efficient, even into the 90s. I am not sure how this could ever be useful in a real application unless it was something where the conditions for it were already there for other reasons.
They are not trying to build an efficient engine or replace electric motors, this is proof of concept regarding extracting energy from quantum systems.
This proves it can be done, it isn't a new design for an engine or motor, its an experiment to show an effect.
The oil industry will never let this get off the ground
We’re heating up micro pistons to drive a hypothetical ground car and aerospace has mastered gravity what a time to be alive 😉
Interesting video, but I thought bosons and fermions were subatomic particles, but you referred to atoms changing boson to fermion state.
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So, in a couple hundred years....will we be able to use quantum energy to power......a warp drive?
Quantum mechanic to his/her apprentice " Where's the hydrospanner??"
i don't think you can really get energy since you spend energy cooling, magneting, and lazering the thing.
but for uses it generates work yeah? so maybe some kind of way to manipulate matter, atoms, etc for creating nano tech and material at those small scales?
Gotta bet that cycling the magnetic fields could theoretically take more power than the motor put out. Did they mention that? (look at the permience change of boson and fermion states grabs that power) Yes?
this is how meditation also works via noncommutativity as nonlocality based on 1/2 spin.
What is the temperature gradient that this experiment operates at?
Looking forward to how this research will affect our understanding of gluons
I know there'd be some kind of super-symmetrical conservation of time/energy or something, but can we make a perpetual motion machine/free energy device out of this effect, or does it require energy to convert from Fermions to Bosons, in quantities relative to the pressure on the system.
@@retiredbore378 Any idea of how to do it efficiently?
Woah woah woah, I’m sorry, but what about conservation of energy?! At 9:41 you literally said “unlimited energy” Please explain
This blows my mind!! What would be the energy density of a quantum battery of bosons (that can be "fermionazed")?! how could that accumulated energy be extracted? just heating it?
MIND BLOWN
So this engine would work in deep space where it is cold enough ?
I do not see how, without a sink to output excess heat into, it would quickly achieve a temperature where it no longer functions.
Does that make sense?
It isn't an engine and can't create any energy. The laser and magnetic fields are the sources of the power.
If it must remain at it's operational temperature, and it has energy being input into it, where is the excess 75% energy to go?
It has no where to go in deep space, without matter to absorb the energy, is my point.
A planet even colder than mars, with even a thin atmosphere, would provide a heat sink.
Sorry for the typo, earlier, the phone.keyboard program loves to change words.
@@j.l.m.6862 Energy doesn't need any medium to go somewhere, it simply escapes as radiation and can do that also in a vacuum just like light can travel in a vacuum.
I wonder if this could be used to power nanobots?
I mean this feels like science fiction; one of those sciencey technologies a writer would leap over reality to create a satisfying literary tool to move the story on… but it’s real…truly reality is stranger than fiction ❤❤❤
I had no idea that helium behaves like a boson at low temperatures. That is wild. If it is so easy to condense in that state, would it be possible for humans to create an artificial black hole by cooling and condensing enough of it into a small space?
couldnt this be used for ram, putting lithium in a certain states via laser for optical computing?
Bring it into Space, this might lower the energy for cooling. Unlimited energy for space crafts? :p
And then they said magic is no real... I haven't heard anything more magical than matter manipulation with magnetic fields...
At 25% efficiency, they found a heart beat not a piston. Problem is, it needs a pacemaker to do anything with. Bigger problem is they don't know how it can beat by itself. I do, I can put it to work for 1.2 billion years. No one cares😢
thanks Anton!
That's good but could quantum physics bring be the will to live ?
Quantum engine sounds like something that would power UFOs
If I understand this process correctly, it's a bit too much like magic. With fossil fuels, we are (in some sense) changing matter into energy. This process seems to be producing energy, but where is that coming from? What's the fuel for this process?
The energy is coming from the laser or the magnetic field, it's not a perpetual motion machine obviously.
I think it's a super complicated explanation compared to what we're actually dealing with. If I'm understanding it correctly, you could accomplish the same thing by floating a bunch of metal balls on strings above an electromagnetic table, and flip the table on and off rapidly. The magnetic field will organize the balls, pulling on the strings, and then when it turns off, they go back to loosely hanging around.
I'm not a fan of the terms like bosons and fermions and what-have-you. On a detector, it's all just voltages and energy levels, and their interactions with one another are what the detector registers, not what's actually going on. This is Quantum Physics, which is often mistaken as how the universe works, but in reality, we're just interrupting how the universe works and giving names to the results. In the case of this experiment, the weirdness is due to trying to name the processes of reality as singular entities rather than a snapshot of the middle of an ongoing process.
You described the engine but not the energy source. Conservation of energy needs to be in this description to stop it sounding like a perpetual motion machine.
It does not create an "generate unlimited energy" (9:45) as you said. it only converts energy like any motor and it has 25% efficiency, an diesel-electric locomotive has about the same efficiency. Energy still has to be put to the system, there is no free lunch. And it is really an straightforward use of an bosonization in fact is not devoid of value and an interesting thing, but not so impressive either.
Space case! Wow. 😮
“This is really cool…useless, but cool” 😂
Cool. What powers the laser? 🤨 This is like lighting a match by putting a flame to it.
thank you again... liked and shared ofcourse
maybe power starships?
You mentioned multiverse stuff, is that a new topic you'll cover soon?
Superfluid helium-4 cant actually be compressed like you hinted at.
Because they are made up of fermions.
Based on how I understand this is that they can be in the same quantum state, but the state is simply larger.
So they can't compress like bosons can, but do share some of their other properties due to being able to be in same state.
This is like the longest shot but if it can be demonstrated that gravity is a quantum effect, isn't this the basic unit of thrust in a curvature engine?
Is the heartbeat for nano sized machines. , or power their Batteries ..
Knowing our luck it won't let us do this at room temp or emgine temps, just like super conducting being impossible far from absolute zero
It could be used for rocket engine? In space where you don't have to use so much energy to cool something near absolute zero
Quantum v12, how cool wouldn't that frikkin be??