POLL HERE: www.strawpoll.me/19664327 Please share the poll - Would be nice to be able to see for ourselves how people are answering it. What are your thoughts on all of this? I'm excited, but do you think the population can support a BC release?
Fernando Comics One question made you say that. Good one dude, I also completely agree to what War Tome said, let’s make every expansion available, instead of only the one(s) that the Classic-fans want.
men i still remember burning crusade... i know casuals love wotlk... but damn burning crusade for me was the peek of haw and mistery in wow, all i wanted was to know more about world of warcraft back then... and it was all downhill from wotlk to now...
@@alfonsomural4792 funny thing is Hearthstone gets its Outlands expansion next week so there's alot of Illidan hype being released from Blizz on that game. Might watch those animations.
If 2006 Blizzard had to rerelease Classic (as funny as this sentiment sounds), they would have made it much different and better I think. Rather than releasing 1.12 and copy and pasting content, I think the 2006 Blizzard would have rereleased Classic with many more viable class specs, and even reworked boss fights for the newer, more experienced player. If 2020 Blizzard releases TBC, the best they can achieve is another copy and paste. 2.4.3 patch from the get go; the same broken TBC specs in; probably the nerfed Bosses such as Kael. Which would still be better than nothing, my point above bears repeating though every now and then.
@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 Do you mean the staff of 2006 if they had worked all the way through to 2020? I think they would have probably built a better current wow in the first place and then rereleased classic as it actually was.
1,742,567 views If 2020 Blizzard didn’t “copy and paste” content people would be up in arms. People wanted Classic as it was back then, not how we think it should’ve been.
What they did to Warcraft 3 with "Reforged" is one of the most abhorrent things ever done in AAA video gaming. As a veteran player, I'm repulsed and my dollars reflect that. On a more emotional note, I'm still unable to deal with the pain they've caused, I try to block it out, but there's an empty space inside my heart and Activision has caused it.
I think it's important for everyone thinking about this to remember that the classic playerbase is going to drop sharply no matter how they release TBC. Which is why I think people transferring to classic servers isn't that crazy; that will prevent there being 15 copied servers that are dead while the remaining classic players hang out on the 3 that remain populated
This might happen. Tbh, there are people like me who only play Classic since there are no retail TBC servers. I think playerbase will sort out eventually if TBC servers happen. I wonder though in years to come if they also decide to release Classic WotLK how would this impact the classic population. I would probably play that too, although TBC is where my heart is. And some people that still play on private TBC and WotLK servers might come back since they don't find Classic WoW fun at all or too grindy, but love other two expansions.
Same. Low key I was excited for classic because it got me excited for a possible TBC classic. Can't wait to experience Outlands again and hop into arenas.
@@linnamaentertainment Can't wait to camp the PVP areas without a level 120 balancing all to one side or not... That said once everybody got into raiding the PvP areas were... Kinda just kinda dead. Still on launch it's gonna be HYPE.
i'd say this: you can copy over all current classic characters to the linked BC server ONCE. After that, all future characters you make on classic can't be copied to BC.
It will have to be something more immersive than we've ever seen. When VR progresses far enough, that will be the new age. A VR MMO that is "really good" will be the next step.
Gaming industry isn't what it once was. Games back in the early 90s were small stories, fun gimics and 'developer's' were just normal people who were bored and wanted to make something. Now, gaming is NOT about the art, Its NOT about the enjoyment - its all about De Munneys! I blame "AAA" gaming for ruining the industry (having said that they did do some good ones in the past) and Gaming is just a digital in-game shop with an entrance fee of [Price of game here] with a bare bone system to make you spend more for [Quality of life features] and maybe some [Pay to win] for your sprinkles on all that processed crap Long story short, Greed consumed what was once an art form - Some devs do make good games today, but i do hope they keep their 'Tegridy', Looking at GOG xD
Yeah but on the other hand, people joining because it's TBC don't necessarily want to be 2 months of grind behind everyone else. I don't think there's an ideal solution here.
@@GigAnonymous those people can either grind for 2 months or accept that they are worse than their superiors and stop bitching about it. sorry but nobody should be thinking of casual scum in this case. if you play less, you deserve less.
Wow aren't you a fruitcake. I was about to spend some time explaining WHY it would be good for the server population not to have a gap between the two waves of players at launch, but I'm not going to waste my breath, you'd need to have more braincells than a toddler to understand.
Best solution is whoever have 58 + level on their classic account they should get 58 level on tbc server...simple as that...if u are a new player u are welcome to lvlup and prepare for TBC release. If you cry about how its not equal start then u are an idiot. Its never been equal for players who dont play the game and for the ones they do. You think all classic players are idiots for leveling for months just so some spoiled brats can get instant 58 out of no effort at all? Fuck these babies my dude...if their excuse is "oh but i dont want to play classic and i want TBC" then fucking level to 60 and dont play classic end game, wait for TBC.
I'll admit, Classic has rekindled my love for WoW. I had given up on it after Cat. The game became a convoluted mess at that point and the things that made it special fell to the wayside with all the "New and improved" systems. I played Cat for a while and the idea was actually exciting of having a whole new Azeroth with new/old areas and quests. The entire system was different from 1- to cap but it wasn't the same. It felt foreign and very "un-wow-like. So I left and never looked back. Then, last year, I heard the first whisperings of Blizzard opening Classic servers. I was immediately excited. A re-release of the game that had captured my imagination in it's original and unimproved state. It was glorious. Now with the possibility of implementing BC as well is really almost as exciting as Classic Vanilla. I'll admit that it has to be done right. If not it will sour this volatile community and cause unending headaches for Blizz but I think it they listen to the majority and continue to use that as their rudder for navigating this new beginning for BC things will work out to their and our advantage just how it did with Classic.
Wrath was also the time where the "crazy" stats started flying around yeah?... I mean it REAAAAAAAALLY got going in Cata but Wrath was... I liked some of the things in wrath, updated battle-grounds better quests mechanics (Just worse quests in general)... Idk TBC is still the golden era, even if the questing in there was nightmarish comparatively to later content... But that's what we signed up for with Classic! xD
@@Eleriol84 You'd think. We'll see where they stop. To me just going to tbc is a huge mistake and not because I'm a classic fan, I don't really think classic was as good as people remember but it's a very hazardous path.
@@MrMaelstorm How's it hazardous ? Most players expect it or want it, it's still has everything classic has and more ... A few balance tweak here and there allows to play what you want (at least most specs are viable, and that's such a plus..) The only thing is how it gets implemented, and for that, yes it's totaly up for debate, and why they're asking players how they feel about it
@@crysosisback7115 I know, imo tbc was just a refined classic. Better with more to it. My point about it being hazardous is about what will come next. If they do what players want (to some extent) then it's going to be wotlk then some people might want WoD (why ? I don't know this expac was trash.) Some might want MoP. I just feel like blizzard is going to do something that will fuck things up down the line because the alternative version will be more popular than the live version. If you add to that the fact that the more we advance in classic releases more servers will be needed hence more cost for blizzard. And they're not known for doing things without having a good idea on how to make money out of it. It's probably just me being suspicious ... But I'm not very confident in blizzard right now.
Through my experience with official and private servers WoW, I'd say that after a while the population of Classic servers will decrease whether they release TBC or not. So, in my opinion, it'd be nice if players were given the chance to progress through TBC. That will also keep subscribers that would eventually leave otherwise so it makes sense to me from a business perspective as well.
@@ericedwards6276 So does this bitter reaction. Imagine having the need to insult strangers on the internet just to make you feel better. You must live a very emotional stable and happy life to do this in your spare time......
For a game to stay alive, there must be progression: either Classic+, or BC. I prefer the idea of Classic+. New content will give new players a reason to create a character in WoW classic.
I think Blizzard has a unique opportunity here to have an "alternate history" for the development of their game. Because once they (hypothetically) reach the end of BC content, they will encounter the same problem; how to prevent stagnation on a game that by design doesn't change. They could move on to Wrath, but it will have the same problem. I think everyone can agree WotLK was the last "Classic" expansion and having a "Cataclysm Classic" is not really going to deliver what this niche of players wants. The obvious solution to this would be to add brand new content. But in order to stick to the spirit of things, keep everything balanced to Classic (and BC and Wrath) as much as possible. They could release versions of Cat or Pandaria where less is changed or they fix some of the issues of those expansions. They could fix any terrible story beats and come up with better endings. They could have an entirely different timeline for Azeroth and have new/different expansions to reflect this. They could essentially create the "perfect WOW". Now, I'm not sure if modern Blizzard developers are up to the task, but it is an interesting concept to think about.
Very true man. They should use this as a chromie kinda alternative universe thing. They could release new content, or old cancelled content. I was thinking this just last night for classic. They have a big opportunity here but I feel they will squander it because why risk it and invest in it if people will play it anyway? Question is... what could they really do outside of what tbc has planned?
Tyler Ace We didnt have to start over when tbc released why should we have to when tbc classic does? That’s more like private servers than actual tbc, there are lots of people that don’t wanna bother with leveling to 60 again
@@TheAwesomeness1123 At this point I don't actually care what retail wow does. I'm going back to my home P server. Activision has too much unjustifiable censorship and draconian right click to report abuse and they silence you if you make a forum about it. all the SJW dictate what you can and cannot think or say. they destroyed 'classic' with the free character transfers. the game is unplayable. they lost many a player's money because they don't listen.
@@TheAwesomeness1123 Elysium has experienced a nice boom recently. Lots of people i meet there hate Activision and have left retail. It's a strong community (It is one of the 3 i tried 3 years ago and it's the only one that is there still. the other 2 shut down)
It would be really interesting to see classic go down a different route of expansions, creating a brand new game in essence. Like after wotlk, the cataclysm doesn't happen and other story lines take over
@@FireKNG-vi9rm yes. Cataclysm never happens and a whole new story takes over in a parallel world. And THEN!! eventually this parallel world and retail come together in a joint expansion and it becomes the classic players vs retail players instead of horde vs alliance
I don't think there's much of a choice. The Classic playerbase is going to see a sharp decline when TBC launches, no matter what. The best way to not kill servers is to allow for Classic players to transfer to a few Classic-specific servers so they always have a good amount of people to play with.
I mean really, by the time TBC would release (say august next year) the decline will most likely have already happened because of a lack of interest in farming the same raid for half a year straight.
Copying seems reasonable, but the downsides are that it literally doubles gold seller's inventory and allows for any player who doesn't want to play one of the expansions to give away everything on their copy with no repercussions. Economy would be even more fucked than it is now. Edit: Christ, the smooth-brains are invading the comments.
Did not think of that - definitely something to consider. Could reset gold or boes for the sake of the economy....honestly there are a ton of different ways all of this could go down hah
@@OatsMealz already have gold for epic flying for both my chars. Some of my guildies wont play TBC, so I guess everything from their TBC copies will be mine. :^)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: TBC was truly the golden age of wow. Heroic dungeons were awesome, all specs were made viable "not optimal but viable", first raid was really cool and easy so casuals could just keep doing the first raid even when everyone else had moved on and even bit more hardcore players would still run Karazhan just to gear up their alts. Later raids got quite difficult, those without as much time to raid could just do few one boss raids, there were quite a lot of world bosses and few different zones with world pvp objectives and arenas were introduced. TBC basically had it all great raids, both easy and hard PVE content and good pvp. It didn't matter if you were casual or hardcore, there was always something to do without being fucking stupid about it like how modern wow is with several difficulty modes for the exact same content.
@@5point0h67 I remember being a pretty well geared rogue with a couple pieces of tier 6 and mostly tier 5 level stuff. I would join the Karazhan and Gruul pugs just so i could flex my dps lol. Rogues were best dps for TBC
Cooterbrown I bet it was so fun being a rogue in BC! I was barely hitting 70 on my main (mage) by the time wotlk launched 😪 I think I was level 70 for a month before wotlk launched so I didn’t get the full experience unfortunately
Nah, kinda over it. Classic made me realize that I’ll never have enough time on my hands to play the game like I want to. And anything less is a shame. I’m really happy for you guys that are looking forward to this though!
Michael Garrett I know man! I was trying to keep up with my single younger brother and his friends for a month or so. Even slacking at work and family duties I couldn’t even come close to comparing. Thinking about coming back and just being the casual that I am. I think I’ll e joy it more at a slower pace.
I learned to come to terms with it too. I just learned to enjoy the game on my own pace and do thing the aren't huge time sinks like lving alts. Still great!
Young Kingdom this is interesting because i work and go to school but found retail to be WAY more time consuming. Dailies and new patches forever, nonstop. Just when i would grind stuff, they release a patch and then i’m way behind with so much rep grinding to do that i would cry lol
@Michael Garrett Depends on your expectations and what you want from the game, it took me 6 months to get to level 60 even without leveling any alts. I didn't mind though, I was not in a big hurry.
Imagine if they stick to release schedules so strictly that the same problem arises where most people wont get to do (and clear) Naxxramas for more than a few months before they release TBC.
They already shortened the time window between phases 1, 2, and 3 pretty greatly. If Nax is released next November or December like Madseason said, TBC probably wouldn't be released until September 2021. Same time Classic was. There will be plenty of time to enjoy Nax.
You know I used to feel the same.. about Classic, Classic+ whatever... but honestly... they just need to fix the damn retail version. Go back to what made the game good while at the same time pushing it forward with what it has become.
Same, I'm gonna make a Draenei Sham most likely. Made the mistake of making a Draenei Pally day 1 when TBC originally launched and burned myself out by lvl 50 while others enjoyed the new content...smh..
@@raularenas795 nochanges trolls ruined the game and left it after with half assed "well look..." answers now classic is a shitshow twice as worse than retail. Even OpenMW with morrowind multiplayer is more welcoming than classic.
@@55hatter Sweaty is a term for people who hyper minmax/optimize the game. For example only bringing the best specs for raids, popping flasks for pvp etc.. I just leave people to their own devices but it can ruin it for others.
To be fair, you kind of need to be sweaty in TBC as the PvE difficulty ramps up highly compared to vanilla. Classic was ruined by sweaty players because the content didn't require one to be sweaty.
I would love to see a "classic+" as a lot of people are calling it. I wasn't a huge fan of TBC, for a lot of reasons that people have stated on the internet. I wish the game continued in content that kept the vanilla feel, instead of the changes TBC made. I do however think the majority of talent and passion in Blizzard is gone, and that even if they did that, there is a good chance it just wouldn't be good. They would mess it up. I might still play a TBC classic release, but it would be more to have different content, since I don't want to keep doing the same raids forever.
It just makes zero sense financially for blizz to do that, and that's the only thing that influences the decisions they make these days. Spend lots of dev time on new content OR just copy tbc and open the floodgates for around the same bump in subscribers? Easy choice
Best they can do is a Classic+, like an event that splits the main timeline into branches. Thus making the "Classic" servers somewhat a branched universe/timeline.
Yes that would be AMAZING, but i don't think Blizzard would release that without making you pay for it "once again", and there are a lot of people that are just blindfolded towards that and just want tbc.
@@faylure9985 Yeah thats the idea. We can treat Classic now as a different game, but loosely connected to the original (since its a branch timeline), wont mind paying for it again. Think this will open a lot of avenues. But hey then again, TBC and WoTLK are my favorites, so yeah lol
Keeping my own council as to what, how and when Blizzard should reintroduce BC, I just wanna say how much I love how you seamlessly incorporate the music into your videos. It took me a few seconds to pick up on the FF X background music and it fit so well even in the context of talking about Warcraft.
when i started playing TBC was 3 months away, TBC is where my nostalgia is, i did enjoy classic for a bit though for sure was awesome to experience it.
Yngvi Birgisson I would say the exact same situation for me! I started playing just a few months before TBC as well and that’s where all of my fond memories are.
@@madseasonshow I think there are a decent number of hardcore classic people that don't like TBC, usually because they hate what flying did to world pvp.
MadSeasonShow especially early TBC. By the end of TBC they started making some quality of life changes. I know they eventually boosted XP and made mounts available at level 30. The mount thing happened like a month after I got mine at level 40...
I’m curious how far they’ll take this. Are they going all the way to Legion? Maybe this will give them a second shot at WoD. Or Maybe they’ll stop after WotLK since Cata is when lots of people started dropping off.
I would guess they'll be arguing internally about 2 options 1. Every 2 years release a new old expac. 2. Stop at wrath the last of the vanilla era expansions as past that leveling etc has stayed much the same upto SL I'd expect option 1 to be what they go with.
I got another idea: The same Classic Servers Upgrade to TBC, "but" the Players get the Option to Lock their Character(s) to level 60 (say by visiting Chromie in, maybe, Karazhan and buy a Scroll to Lock / Unlock progression) This way, the community remain on the Server ... ppl who are locked to 60 can remain playing Classic, and the same ppl can still select one of their alts to move forward to TBC
I 100% am ok with this it gives A players a choice and B it won't kill servers there are other reasons aswell I like it but I don't Wana make a huge as comment just to say the same thing Wich is TAKE THIS MANS IDEA BLIZZARD
@@989896123 then your able to have your original community on classic and have a seperate created community on another tbc server (dont forget some people still want to be able to play classic) , also if you want to play belf/dranie your kinda screwed if your currently on the opposite faction, this also fixes that problem
100% they need to force servers to TBC and offer players who want to stay in Vanilla free transfers to a few new servers. The the majority of people are going to be playing BC, there is no debate there, so offering transfers to new BC servers is just going to create and enormous amount of unbalanced chaos on those new servers and kill all the current servers in the process. By upgrading current servers to BC, at the very least, they can maintain balance among the 2 communities. Servers might lose anywhere from 5 to 20% of their player base to transfers, but that is negligible considering servers are already 5x bigger than they ever were originally. Additionally, people who want to continue playing Vanilla will have nice big servers to redevelop their communities in. Say they open like 6 or 8 new servers for just Vanilla, that will keep the population at a decent size. By doing this they would not be killing the current servers by forcing the majority of players off. Further more the idea of starting at level 1 again, or getting a boost to 58, is ridiculous. That would put off so many less hard core players from ever even giving TBC a try. And who wants to spend all that time re-leveling again anyways? A substantial amount of players have been waiting for TBC this whole time and forcing them through the levelling process yet again to get to the content they have already levelled to play is just cruel. Boosting to 58 is probably the worst option though. It is ideas like this that all but ruined retail. Nothing cheapens the experience of playing a game like WoW more than being allowed the option to essentially 'skip' content. You lose out on the entire bonding experience you get by slowly working your way through the game with your character and progressively making them more and more powerful. Besides, you will have far more people that have no godly idea what they are doing with their character as they never had to spend the time to learn how to use each new ability. I could really go on about this option, but the point is that this opens so many more issues than just splitting a community. As a final point I will add there is also the issue of not having the raiding gear you earned playing through Vanilla. Gear that is actually is extremely helpful while levelling, dungeoning, and even while starting raids. This has turned into a bit of a rant, but I really do think the safest option is to just upgrade servers to TBC. It's the least disruptive and will be the healthiest option for classic as a whole.
"100%", "no debate there", "they _need_ to force TBC on those who paid to play classic". hey smartie, i got a question for you; how many of the most populated private servers were TBC? ahuh? almost none, because people want to play Vanilla, which is what almost all private servers were running. you know why i started playing classic? because its classic and not TBC. if people like you want to play TBC, you either accept that you have to start from scratch or you go the route of one-time copy of character from classic > TBC realm. but one thing you will NOT do, is force TBC on those who started playing _SPECIFICALLY_ to enjoy classic. brainlet.
@@ZugzugZugzugson If you're going to use "quotes" learn to use them correctly. I never said "they need to force TBC on those who paid to play classic", I said they need to force SERVERS to TBC and offer transfers off for Vanilla advocates. If you think for a second that most people are not going to want to play TBC after 2 years of Vanilla and a content drought don't kid yourself. Yes, there will be a small portion of people who want to muddle about and do MC for the umpteenth time, but that is why opening some new servers to preserved that community would be the best option. If you're going to refer to private servers as your point of debate you are being foolish. First off, there were no good TBC private servers, the best one out there was still pay to win. Secondly, there were way more high quality Vanilla private servers, so of course more people will be playing them. If you have 10 good vanilla servers and 1 pay to win TBC server and say hey, look, more people are playing vanilla therefore more people will want to only play vanilla, then you are really not seeing the big picture. Third, retail BC was a way more successful portion of the game's life cycle than Vanilla ever was. With Classic WoW being made available to anyone subscribed to retail you have 10x more people playing than the niche private server community ever had, most of whom will undoubtedly be ready to make the jump into TBC and not want to stagnate in Vanilla. I understand you might be a child, so I'm going to go ahead and let go the fact you're insulting me just because my argument scares you. However, you must understand by simply forcing BC players off of servers, Vanilla only advocates would be hurt the most, unless of course you prefer playing on an empty server.
Kogg it’s not the best option. There is a much better solution and stay safe was one of the first to talk about it. You can have copies for classic wow for people who don’t want to loose their progression, and when BC Classic is released all content is locked for a month or 2 to let the new players, horde pallies and alliance shamans catch up. A new server is definitely not the best option. I know I would never want to loose all my reps and stuff from classic. Plus that will make it a smoother transition for WOTLK classic achievements if they roll out those too. Blizz has said they started classic with the idea of a possible BC and WOTLK classics as well.
I feel like the Transfer option would be the most accurate while still keeping most people happy. I think "copying" would be best for me, but I understand the fear of exploitation. I guarantee if they do a fresh server starting at 1, you will lose A LOT of people. Leveling in Classic is such a damn chore, I know I'm not the only one who would refuse to do it again. (Que the hardcore players trashing casuals) Overall I'm excited as I didn't play WoW at all till Classic. So I really want to experience BC. But I just don't want to lose all the progress I'm making on my current character.
fraai I feel the same way. I just know there’s a lot of people who like the fresh server feel. I’m not one of them lol. Not when it takes so long to level.
In TBC they greatly reduced the EXP you gain from mobs and quests so leveling from 1 is not that bad. also all the players who will be rolling Blood Elf or Draenei will be way behind the power curve and constantly getting ganked. if you've ever played on a pvp server you KNOW that you MUST start your main at LAUNCH or your leveling experience will be hell
I remember riding the end of classic straight through to BC learning raiding, sharpening my skills in those raids and entering WOTLK in what all became my best gaming memories as a hardcore raider and PvPer. Quit midway through the xoansion after which was cataclysm I think? The magic in the design was gone during cataclysm for me.... I am downloading classic right now in the chance to take that ride again into BC
Personaly, since it is a classic burning crusade expansion server option, and not an actual expansion, everyone should be starting at lvl 1. It also seems to have the least amount of negative side effects. If they do consider that option, the best for me would be a 1 time, 1 toon copy transfer of your choice from a classic wow realm to a bc server. This way, you keep your lvl 60 toon on classic wow, and that toon copies over to bc servers. Wow classic would still be separate from bc, that way, those who still want classic, or both in my case, would have those options.
why? why not just enjoy a reroll of vanilla on a new server with everyone who loves vanilla classic? that seems 100% better and letting your 60 decked out character go to outlands in BC and replace his gear with greens. Retains community. forces pvp hellfire battleground experience and gives us the classic experience all over again - hopefully a couple months after TBC comes out. give people time to play Tbc.
I really don't want the classic community to die, this has been my first experience with it. I've been taking a break because of school. If this BC stuff comes to pass, it just goes to show I'm gonna have to take as much time as I can to enjoy it while I can and at least get to 60 if not raid.
Loved the Vanilla/TBC combo right up until patch 2.3.0 in which elite mobs in the world were made non-elite. And my main [Priest] shield got nerfed (2 hits from a Fel Boar would break it). The final TBC patch 2.4.3 included level 30 mounts and was already beset with so many class balancing shenanigans that people would just jump around to what played well rather than feel very connected to their main. Also in 2.4.3, the first appearances of changes to the harbors in capital cities started showing in advance of the WotLK release. So would they modify that or pick 2.2.3?
What I don’t understand is where does blizzard draw the line with expansions? Do you stop after BC? WotLK? Cata? It’s for this reason that I’d prefer Classic+
I'd be pretty disappointed if we got free 58s, I quit retail after character boosts as I always loved the grind for max level and it was something you could be proud of and not everyone had the patience for it. Classic and TBC wasn't for the filthly casuals who needs the option to max with microtransactions and I hope they respect that.
Both "entire server moves to BC" and "start from level one" are how it worked when BC was released. There were servers, like the one I started on, that were new servers that disallowed transfers for three months. Everyone started at level one.
I'll always prefer 12 months of classic plus. If it doesn't work out then that's ok, it was tried and failed. BC is fine, but was when I actually quit WoW as I didn't enjoy Outland or its raids at the time.
Too expensive though, the blizz of 2020 will never do something as risky and expensive as classic+ (when the cheap and easy alternative of tbc is right there) imo
Thinking blizzard currently can possibly release a successful classic plus literally boggles my mind. Don't get me wrong, I'd be down if i had faith in the company but at this point its as likely as Princess from maradon dropping that epic. I'd have more faith in some rando person creating a classic +. BC is literally the only WoW expansion that is basically Classic + I played vanilla and BC but BC was the most fun and memorable time I've had in WoW. Vanilla was also epic but I missed out on some of the end game content due to joining late 2006, so I'm happy i was able to experience it. Now I want to re-experience BC now that I'm older, more knowledgable and now raid in a serious raiding guild. I couldn't tell you how many times I ran Kara and Heroic dungeons as well as BG's, Arena and loved the zone based PvP objectives esp Nagrand.
And what after tbc - wotlk classic? Imo they should introduce seasons - you got one, basic vanilla server and you got season servers - everytime last raid in vanilla gets on farming status - season ends, all characters are moved to non-season vanilla server and season servers gets reset for fresh start and phase 1 again. They could also introduce some seasonal gimmicks to make it more interesting.
I think the launch time all the way till december was the peak of entertainment for me in classic, everyone was still gearing and hanging out with each other now it's a bit more reserved. The idea of starting again from lv 1 would also make me choose the other fraction, something I didn't do yet because I enjoy to much equiping my twinks with the gold of my mains.
My favorite expansion was the burning crusade. Having said that I will admit they should have never killed the lich King. One does not simply kill the lich King. He should have always been the baddest dude of all time and they should have never replaced him. He was the Darth Vader of wow. Dude had an undead army and lived in the Frozen north in an evil citadel. That's just too epic to get rid of. No expansion since then has had such a badass final boss. The only reason I like burning crusade more than wrath was because I think the PVP was better during burning crusade. But in terms of PVE nothing beats wrath, and therefore the lich King should never have died.
I was only 5 when Vanilla first came out so i rarely played. only when my dad let me (when he wasnt playing basically lmao) but I was 8 when TBC came out so i was able to understand and play more... and honestly it has always been my favorite expansion. Id love for TBC to come out.
POLL HERE: www.strawpoll.me/19664327
Please share the poll - Would be nice to be able to see for ourselves how people are answering it. What are your thoughts on all of this? I'm excited, but do you think the population can support a BC release?
Saw you in a warsong gulch
@@jackorion7157 Was I dishing it out or on the receiving end? (usually it's the latter)
As long as there is no possible way of transfering money or items of economic value to the TBC server, I'm happy.
@@madseasonshow you did well, killed me a couple times
I wish i could play WoW tbc and bfa
Imprisoned....for THIRTEEN YEARS
One year less than Sirius black
And 4 months
ahaha nice!
Banished, from current retail wow....
@@camotophat what you mean there's illidans running everywhere
I think WotLK should be the last "classic" expansion release.
That should keep up satisfied for a while.
Agreed. Cata was the first nail in wow grave.
Fernando Comics why not have all expansions available. Why do you want to limit what others can have?
War Tome war, shut the fuck up.
Fernando Comics One question made you say that. Good one dude, I also completely agree to what War Tome said, let’s make every expansion available, instead of only the one(s) that the Classic-fans want.
Dyner but that would split up the community too much. Then you would ha e like 5 People playing wod.
Funny how wow's future seems to be in the past.
Just as funny as the only thing that could kill WoW is WoW itself.
+2
Wows dev team 8s creatively bankrupt.
Like many other things in life.
Shadowlands looks very promising
I'm prepared this time. To go back too when my journey started. Become the hero I was too young too become when I started.
Walk in with the thousands of gold I farmed in classic for it.
@ac b4 I remember not knowing what i was doing until wotlk. I was probably around 9 years old but i tanked as dk i remember.
@@Baskl757 i waited with classic till tbc. i loved my draenei shadow priest.
Call it The Burning Crusade: Prepared this time
...or, "WoW Classic: The Burning Boogaloo"!
Lol! Nice one
Too underrated
lol yeah that!
Of course I'm not
Nobody is ever prepared for The Burning Inquisition
I think you are then next dimension over
men i still remember burning crusade... i know casuals love wotlk... but damn burning crusade for me was the peek of haw and mistery in wow, all i wanted was to know more about world of warcraft back then... and it was all downhill from wotlk to now...
It wasnt a good day for feral bear since they were stuck in heavy clefthoof set and bad defense rating trinkets.
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!!!
@@alfonsomural4792 funny thing is Hearthstone gets its Outlands expansion next week so there's alot of Illidan hype being released from Blizz on that game. Might watch those animations.
The better question is, is Blizzard prepared?
You know the answer to that lol
If 2006 Blizzard had to rerelease Classic (as funny as this sentiment sounds), they would have made it much different and better I think. Rather than releasing 1.12 and copy and pasting content, I think the 2006 Blizzard would have rereleased Classic with many more viable class specs, and even reworked boss fights for the newer, more experienced player. If 2020 Blizzard releases TBC, the best they can achieve is another copy and paste. 2.4.3 patch from the get go; the same broken TBC specs in; probably the nerfed Bosses such as Kael. Which would still be better than nothing, my point above bears repeating though every now and then.
@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 Do you mean the staff of 2006 if they had worked all the way through to 2020? I think they would have probably built a better current wow in the first place and then rereleased classic as it actually was.
1,742,567 views If 2020 Blizzard didn’t “copy and paste” content people would be up in arms. People wanted Classic as it was back then, not how we think it should’ve been.
Hey... maybe we can get Blizzard classic one day.
I’d be really worried if they teased it with the title: “The Burning Crusade: Reforged”
SHHH! DON'T SAY THE R WORD.... but I have to say... I agree
Oof
What they did to Warcraft 3 with "Reforged" is one of the most abhorrent things ever done in AAA video gaming. As a veteran player, I'm repulsed and my dollars reflect that. On a more emotional note, I'm still unable to deal with the pain they've caused, I try to block it out, but there's an empty space inside my heart and Activision has caused it.
@@xarrison8274 R...efunded?
Okay... but why would they do that? They have handled Classic just fine.
“Self isolated for 10000 years”
From age 6 to 18 in my bedroom.
who legit got a shiver down their spine and could feel the hairs on the backs of their necks raising up when you heard that opening cinematic?
I've always just wanted TBC. It's the best version of wow & expansion, bar none, to me. I really hope it will happen!
Private server time (cant touch this)
Agreed!
this man obviously never played WoTLK
@@AussieRoberts I played Wotlk and still thinks TBC was better
@@AussieRoberts i have played since vanilla, so yes i have :)
I think it's important for everyone thinking about this to remember that the classic playerbase is going to drop sharply no matter how they release TBC. Which is why I think people transferring to classic servers isn't that crazy; that will prevent there being 15 copied servers that are dead while the remaining classic players hang out on the 3 that remain populated
RaidsEpicly ya this is the only way that makes any sense.
honestly I agree I can't see classic being anymore then 4 servers tops, everyone else will jump to BC because we enjoyed it and want progression
This might happen. Tbh, there are people like me who only play Classic since there are no retail TBC servers. I think playerbase will sort out eventually if TBC servers happen. I wonder though in years to come if they also decide to release Classic WotLK how would this impact the classic population. I would probably play that too, although TBC is where my heart is. And some people that still play on private TBC and WotLK servers might come back since they don't find Classic WoW fun at all or too grindy, but love other two expansions.
Nah, we need death servers for scepter questline a fair portion of ppl will transfer for this
this actualy sounds good
TBC is when I joined WoW, this is my nostalgia, can't wait
same
Same
Same. Low key I was excited for classic because it got me excited for a possible TBC classic. Can't wait to experience Outlands again and hop into arenas.
Same
@@linnamaentertainment Can't wait to camp the PVP areas without a level 120 balancing all to one side or not... That said once everybody got into raiding the PvP areas were... Kinda just kinda dead. Still on launch it's gonna be HYPE.
love how our 3 options are:
a)
2)
iii)
There's a 5th option, copy the classic characters to the new BC classic and keep the old classic so players can have both
i'd say this: you can copy over all current classic characters to the linked BC server ONCE. After that, all future characters you make on classic can't be copied to BC.
@@NebulatheZorua No all have to start from lvl 1 xD
@@NebulatheZorua this sounds better
i'd rather just stay in classic if im honest
The performance of Liam O'Brien for that trailer always gives ya the chills
Honestly all of the WoW cinematics are masterpieces imo. Every now and then I'll just binge all of them(yes, even Draenor haha)
man's a legend
MadSeasonShow Hey man, the WoD expansion wasn't great but the cinematic certainly met blizzards high standard!
Another man gave you chills, that's gay
@@madseasonshow To be fair, there was nothing wrong with the WoD cinematic, it was only the actual game that sucked!
This was the golden age of online gaming and MMOs. The feeling of magic and epicness is still unmatched to this day... Who will save this industry?
The feeling i had back then playing wow bc till wrath , was so epic. There will never be such epic game period in my life again damn those memories .
Yeah it was hard to beat that time period. And games like LOTRO, Warhammer online, and Guild Wars were great alternatives when an expansion got stale.
It will have to be something more immersive than we've ever seen. When VR progresses far enough, that will be the new age. A VR MMO that is "really good" will be the next step.
@@xchn2 I don't know. It would need to go into action gameplay since you need to have 1 to 1 movements in VR games
Gaming industry isn't what it once was. Games back in the early 90s were small stories, fun gimics and 'developer's' were just normal people who were bored and wanted to make something.
Now, gaming is NOT about the art, Its NOT about the enjoyment - its all about De Munneys! I blame "AAA" gaming for ruining the industry (having said that they did do some good ones in the past) and Gaming is just a digital in-game shop with an entrance fee of [Price of game here] with a bare bone system to make you spend more for [Quality of life features] and maybe some [Pay to win] for your sprinkles on all that processed crap
Long story short, Greed consumed what was once an art form - Some devs do make good games today, but i do hope they keep their 'Tegridy', Looking at GOG xD
I think a majority of people can easily agree they don't want to lose all of the progression and time they put into on their classic characters.
Yeah but on the other hand, people joining because it's TBC don't necessarily want to be 2 months of grind behind everyone else. I don't think there's an ideal solution here.
@@GigAnonymous those people can either grind for 2 months or accept that they are worse than their superiors and stop bitching about it. sorry but nobody should be thinking of casual scum in this case. if you play less, you deserve less.
Wow aren't you a fruitcake. I was about to spend some time explaining WHY it would be good for the server population not to have a gap between the two waves of players at launch, but I'm not going to waste my breath, you'd need to have more braincells than a toddler to understand.
Zugzug Zugzugson the only reason some people played classic was that people were equal.
Best solution is whoever have 58 + level on their classic account they should get 58 level on tbc server...simple as that...if u are a new player u are welcome to lvlup and prepare for TBC release. If you cry about how its not equal start then u are an idiot. Its never been equal for players who dont play the game and for the ones they do. You think all classic players are idiots for leveling for months just so some spoiled brats can get instant 58 out of no effort at all? Fuck these babies my dude...if their excuse is "oh but i dont want to play classic and i want TBC" then fucking level to 60 and dont play classic end game, wait for TBC.
I'll admit, Classic has rekindled my love for WoW. I had given up on it after Cat. The game became a convoluted mess at that point and the things that made it special fell to the wayside with all the "New and improved" systems.
I played Cat for a while and the idea was actually exciting of having a whole new Azeroth with new/old areas and quests. The entire system was different from 1- to cap but it wasn't the same. It felt foreign and very "un-wow-like. So I left and never looked back.
Then, last year, I heard the first whisperings of Blizzard opening Classic servers. I was immediately excited. A re-release of the game that had captured my imagination in it's original and unimproved state. It was glorious.
Now with the possibility of implementing BC as well is really almost as exciting as Classic Vanilla. I'll admit that it has to be done right. If not it will sour this volatile community and cause unending headaches for Blizz but I think it they listen to the majority and continue to use that as their rudder for navigating this new beginning for BC things will work out to their and our advantage just how it did with Classic.
At his pace, well get Legion Classic in short time
BC is by far my favourite expac. I believe Blizzard lost their way after that regardless of WOTLK's conclusion of Arthas' story.
Those chills I got stepping into outlands for the first time, dodging that fel reaver.
@@KNByam unbeatable feeling bro
@KN Byam This. The only time WoW it me harder than that was the Wrathgate...
Wrath was also the time where the "crazy" stats started flying around yeah?...
I mean it REAAAAAAAALLY got going in Cata but Wrath was... I liked some of the things in wrath, updated battle-grounds better quests mechanics (Just worse quests in general)... Idk TBC is still the golden era, even if the questing in there was nightmarish comparatively to later content... But that's what we signed up for with Classic! xD
@@KNByam That was something else wasn't it?
I've never been interested in classic but I'd totally play bc
A Cleaver lol
Me too, hence I started in bc
@@falscherkim3033 you used hence wrong.
@@omenpl29 sorry dude, english isnt my primary language.
see you in 10 years when draenor classic comes out lol
they wont move past Wotlk since everything after that has been a mic of meh and horrible other then Legion which was good
@@Eleriol84 You'd think. We'll see where they stop. To me just going to tbc is a huge mistake and not because I'm a classic fan, I don't really think classic was as good as people remember but it's a very hazardous path.
@@Eleriol84 yeah, pretty much. Cata was kind of WoW 2. So much was different, not just the zones.
@@MrMaelstorm How's it hazardous ? Most players expect it or want it, it's still has everything classic has and more ... A few balance tweak here and there allows to play what you want (at least most specs are viable, and that's such a plus..)
The only thing is how it gets implemented, and for that, yes it's totaly up for debate, and why they're asking players how they feel about it
@@crysosisback7115 I know, imo tbc was just a refined classic. Better with more to it. My point about it being hazardous is about what will come next. If they do what players want (to some extent) then it's going to be wotlk then some people might want WoD (why ? I don't know this expac was trash.) Some might want MoP. I just feel like blizzard is going to do something that will fuck things up down the line because the alternative version will be more popular than the live version. If you add to that the fact that the more we advance in classic releases more servers will be needed hence more cost for blizzard. And they're not known for doing things without having a good idea on how to make money out of it.
It's probably just me being suspicious ... But I'm not very confident in blizzard right now.
TBC is when i first started playing WoW. I'd quit retail in a heartbeat. I just love how the PvP was in this xpac, i had a blast with my buddies.
Through my experience with official and private servers WoW, I'd say that after a while the population of Classic servers will decrease whether they release TBC or not. So, in my opinion, it'd be nice if players were given the chance to progress through TBC. That will also keep subscribers that would eventually leave otherwise so it makes sense to me from a business perspective as well.
The fact that i'm hyped for a expansion thats so old says so much about the state Blizzard is in right now.
It says so much about the state of your miserable life
Eric Edwards I don’t understand your point can you elaborate?
@@ericedwards6276 Man you are so damn right.
@rick melethron rick i agree, there are many things in retail better then classic and many things in classic better then retail
@@ericedwards6276 So does this bitter reaction. Imagine having the need to insult strangers on the internet just to make you feel better. You must live a very emotional stable and happy life to do this in your spare time......
I can’t wait to quest through nagrand again. One of the best zones in the game imo!
I know I'm odd but I liked zangarmarsh.
You can right now, most of the Burning Crusade quests haven't been touched in retail
@@Zerohopexe I think it's more with the old class designs and talents then just three content
@@Willbotx i actually like zangarmarsh as well
My all time favourite is uldum,but nagrand is also quite memorable
Nobody expected the Burning Inquisition.
For a game to stay alive, there must be progression: either Classic+, or BC. I prefer the idea of Classic+. New content will give new players a reason to create a character in WoW classic.
Same system like old school runescape
@Much Derp No, I want the devs responsible for Classic to release content for Classic. They are separate teams.
@Much Derp dumbass
I think Blizzard has a unique opportunity here to have an "alternate history" for the development of their game. Because once they (hypothetically) reach the end of BC content, they will encounter the same problem; how to prevent stagnation on a game that by design doesn't change. They could move on to Wrath, but it will have the same problem. I think everyone can agree WotLK was the last "Classic" expansion and having a "Cataclysm Classic" is not really going to deliver what this niche of players wants.
The obvious solution to this would be to add brand new content. But in order to stick to the spirit of things, keep everything balanced to Classic (and BC and Wrath) as much as possible. They could release versions of Cat or Pandaria where less is changed or they fix some of the issues of those expansions. They could fix any terrible story beats and come up with better endings. They could have an entirely different timeline for Azeroth and have new/different expansions to reflect this. They could essentially create the "perfect WOW".
Now, I'm not sure if modern Blizzard developers are up to the task, but it is an interesting concept to think about.
Very true man. They should use this as a chromie kinda alternative universe thing. They could release new content, or old cancelled content. I was thinking this just last night for classic.
They have a big opportunity here but I feel they will squander it because why risk it and invest in it if people will play it anyway?
Question is... what could they really do outside of what tbc has planned?
This is the most sensible comment to this issue. Blizzard wouldn't agree with that though.
The moment I saw the video title I automatically heard in Illidan's voice:
"WE ARE NOT PREPARED!"
Oh lol are you playing wow? (Only know you from League)
He played WoW well before lol
Ooooh :O
im just waiting for bfa classic. thats gonna be the best one
agree
Or WoD, think of the nostalgia.
Summer Runner shadowlands classic is gonna he dope. Such great times
Nah I'm waiting for WoW Shadowlands: Classic
Should be pretty lit
Throw a wrench in everything and make entirely fresh servers.
AGREE! leave the servers players built ALONE and give both TBC 2.0 new server AND a 2nd launch of a few servers for Classic
Tyler Ace We didnt have to start over when tbc released why should we have to when tbc classic does? That’s more like private servers than actual tbc, there are lots of people that don’t wanna bother with leveling to 60 again
@@TheAwesomeness1123 At this point I don't actually care what retail wow does. I'm going back to my home P server. Activision has too much unjustifiable censorship and draconian right click to report abuse and they silence you if you make a forum about it. all the SJW dictate what you can and cannot think or say. they destroyed 'classic' with the free character transfers. the game is unplayable. they lost many a player's money because they don't listen.
Tyler Ace I’ve enjoyed classic although I’ve had my issues with it, would be interested to try another version though. Any p servers you recommend?
@@TheAwesomeness1123 Elysium has experienced a nice boom recently. Lots of people i meet there hate Activision and have left retail. It's a strong community (It is one of the 3 i tried 3 years ago and it's the only one that is there still. the other 2 shut down)
I would come back for this! One of my favorite xpacs.
It would be really interesting to see classic go down a different route of expansions, creating a brand new game in essence. Like after wotlk, the cataclysm doesn't happen and other story lines take over
you mean a parralell Wow with a different destiny?
@@FireKNG-vi9rm yes. Cataclysm never happens and a whole new story takes over in a parallel world. And THEN!! eventually this parallel world and retail come together in a joint expansion and it becomes the classic players vs retail players instead of horde vs alliance
Very interesting.
@@andyh7777 wow! that wohld actually be awesome i mean 2 groups playing the same game but with different endings
@@andyh7777 I love the idea of an alternate but parallel timeline. I just really don't trust them to not completely mess up the execution.
I would absolutely love TBC. I love the feel of just classic too though.
I don't think there's much of a choice. The Classic playerbase is going to see a sharp decline when TBC launches, no matter what. The best way to not kill servers is to allow for Classic players to transfer to a few Classic-specific servers so they always have a good amount of people to play with.
Smile, Peco. Smile. Exactly that!
Smile, Peco. Smile. Copying wouldn‘t be a good idea
I mean really, by the time TBC would release (say august next year) the decline will most likely have already happened because of a lack of interest in farming the same raid for half a year straight.
Copying seems reasonable, but the downsides are that it literally doubles gold seller's inventory and allows for any player who doesn't want to play one of the expansions to give away everything on their copy with no repercussions. Economy would be even more fucked than it is now.
Edit: Christ, the smooth-brains are invading the comments.
Found the poor player
Did not think of that - definitely something to consider. Could reset gold or boes for the sake of the economy....honestly there are a ton of different ways all of this could go down hah
You wouldn't be allowed too copy over gold and have bags full of BoEs, obviously
@@OatsMealz already have gold for epic flying for both my chars. Some of my guildies wont play TBC, so I guess everything from their TBC copies will be mine. :^)
@@PwNaSaUrUsxLEET That doesnt ruin the economy though. Just like inheritance money deosnt ruin real life economy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: TBC was truly the golden age of wow. Heroic dungeons were awesome, all specs were made viable "not optimal but viable", first raid was really cool and easy so casuals could just keep doing the first raid even when everyone else had moved on and even bit more hardcore players would still run Karazhan just to gear up their alts.
Later raids got quite difficult, those without as much time to raid could just do few one boss raids, there were quite a lot of world bosses and few different zones with world pvp objectives and arenas were introduced.
TBC basically had it all great raids, both easy and hard PVE content and good pvp. It didn't matter if you were casual or hardcore, there was always something to do without being fucking stupid about it like how modern wow is with several difficulty modes for the exact same content.
Barokai Rein 100%
@@5point0h67 I remember being a pretty well geared rogue with a couple pieces of tier 6 and mostly tier 5 level stuff. I would join the Karazhan and Gruul pugs just so i could flex my dps lol. Rogues were best dps for TBC
Cooterbrown I bet it was so fun being a rogue in BC! I was barely hitting 70 on my main (mage) by the time wotlk launched 😪 I think I was level 70 for a month before wotlk launched so I didn’t get the full experience unfortunately
Nah, kinda over it. Classic made me realize that I’ll never have enough time on my hands to play the game like I want to. And anything less is a shame. I’m really happy for you guys that are looking forward to this though!
Michael Garrett I know man! I was trying to keep up with my single younger brother and his friends for a month or so. Even slacking at work and family duties I couldn’t even come close to comparing. Thinking about coming back and just being the casual that I am. I think I’ll e joy it more at a slower pace.
@Michael Garrett I have more time as an adult than a kid. Work to live, make time!
I learned to come to terms with it too. I just learned to enjoy the game on my own pace and do thing the aren't huge time sinks like lving alts. Still great!
Young Kingdom this is interesting because i work and go to school but found retail to be WAY more time consuming. Dailies and new patches forever, nonstop. Just when i would grind stuff, they release a patch and then i’m way behind with so much rep grinding to do that i would cry lol
@Michael Garrett Depends on your expectations and what you want from the game, it took me 6 months to get to level 60 even without leveling any alts. I didn't mind though, I was not in a big hurry.
Imagine if they stick to release schedules so strictly that the same problem arises where most people wont get to do (and clear) Naxxramas for more than a few months before they release TBC.
They already shortened the time window between phases 1, 2, and 3 pretty greatly. If Nax is released next November or December like Madseason said, TBC probably wouldn't be released until September 2021. Same time Classic was. There will be plenty of time to enjoy Nax.
there will be atleast 6 months, thats plenty enough.
@@eNv3n0mX I'm hoping there will be enough time to get atiesh built for a good amount of people. Itll help speed up Karazhan runs in tbc
Elite players will have their race for world first. and then speedrunning or aim for other various records.
They're gonna use Classic as a filler for downtime of retail, alternatively they'll speed up the release of TBC Classic if WoW Shadowbringers fails
100 % agree with copies of the realms being the best solution ! :)
"everyone's pissed." true. that.
You can only sustain nostalgia for so long, Classic+ is a must
great option to do something new some reworks new ideas or simpley stuff that werent used
You know I used to feel the same.. about Classic, Classic+ whatever... but honestly... they just need to fix the damn retail version. Go back to what made the game good while at the same time pushing it forward with what it has become.
Man I really love your content. So well thought and relaxing
If blizz ever release BC, i'll most definitly start at lvl1
dont
I definitely will. I'll either make a blood elf paladin or Draenei shaman
@@electricwizard5747 But you would have to anyways if you wanna be a Dranei or Blood Elf so...*Shrug*
Same, I'm gonna make a Draenei Sham most likely. Made the mistake of making a Draenei Pally day 1 when TBC originally launched and burned myself out by lvl 50 while others enjoyed the new content...smh..
MadSeason never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Only real ones get the reference
Give him one thousand dollars.
SON OF A BITCH!
The Burning Crusade Classic?... Listen, Quasimodo predicted this...
Look at that, it's like a fucking ad for weight-loss center. Before... and way before.
Cool.
The more classic I play, the more I appreciate how good BC was and how much of an improvement it was over classic
as much as i would love to be able to start any class at 58 in a BC classic server, this just would not be, by far, the game we played in 2007. So no.
Well, Illidan kept yelling at me that I wasn’t prepared.
Nope, life's too short to repeat all that again. I mean if they could make me twenty years younger I would do it.
That’s only you
As someone who missed the boat of prime WoW, I honestly want to see progressive expansions just keep going at the pace they were originally released.
I love your voice dude. So friendly and calming.
Classic has been completely ruined by a deluge of sweat. I'm ready to enjoy a fresh start before BC becomes sweaty like Classic.
K C wow newbie here, what’s is sweaty ?
@@raularenas795 nochanges trolls ruined the game and left it after with half assed "well look..." answers
now classic is a shitshow twice as worse than retail.
Even OpenMW with morrowind multiplayer is more welcoming than classic.
It's going to be min/maxed to the extreme, I have 0 interest
@@55hatter Sweaty is a term for people who hyper minmax/optimize the game. For example only bringing the best specs for raids, popping flasks for pvp etc.. I just leave people to their own devices but it can ruin it for others.
To be fair, you kind of need to be sweaty in TBC as the PvE difficulty ramps up highly compared to vanilla. Classic was ruined by sweaty players because the content didn't require one to be sweaty.
I just hope the give some time with naxx this go round. And not two weeks after naxx here comes BC.
bc came 6 months after naxx
@@jeremyleclerc127 But we have been moving far quicker with content releases.
"All I can say, if I was capable of emtions."
Ah yes, xD
10:07, never show this again pls
I would love to see a "classic+" as a lot of people are calling it. I wasn't a huge fan of TBC, for a lot of reasons that people have stated on the internet. I wish the game continued in content that kept the vanilla feel, instead of the changes TBC made. I do however think the majority of talent and passion in Blizzard is gone, and that even if they did that, there is a good chance it just wouldn't be good. They would mess it up. I might still play a TBC classic release, but it would be more to have different content, since I don't want to keep doing the same raids forever.
I'd take classic + any day of the week over BC.
The sad part is that they are asking how people would like to see TBC to be launched and not a single word about Classic+.
TBC option is free money with minimum effort for Blizzard, sorry but is the truth, I would like classic + too
Fuck classic lmao, TBC all day
It just makes zero sense financially for blizz to do that, and that's the only thing that influences the decisions they make these days.
Spend lots of dev time on new content OR just copy tbc and open the floodgates for around the same bump in subscribers? Easy choice
Yes I am prepared.
Both body and mind?
*My Body is ready*
You think you are but you are not.
Yes, I am prepared.*
Best they can do is a Classic+, like an event that splits the main timeline into branches. Thus making the "Classic" servers somewhat a branched universe/timeline.
MasterGG won‘t happen, they will not reprogram the game for that
Agreed.
Yes that would be AMAZING, but i don't think Blizzard would release that without making you pay for it "once again", and there are a lot of people that are just blindfolded towards that and just want tbc.
@@faylure9985 Yeah thats the idea. We can treat Classic now as a different game, but loosely connected to the original (since its a branch timeline), wont mind paying for it again. Think this will open a lot of avenues.
But hey then again, TBC and WoTLK are my favorites, so yeah lol
Keeping my own council as to what, how and when Blizzard should reintroduce BC, I just wanna say how much I love how you seamlessly incorporate the music into your videos. It took me a few seconds to pick up on the FF X background music and it fit so well even in the context of talking about Warcraft.
we've had a nice ride in classic so far, the only road leads to outlands
Shut the fuck up
@@mapleflavouredbacon9938 loool
when i started playing TBC was 3 months away, TBC is where my nostalgia is, i did enjoy classic for a bit though for sure was awesome to experience it.
I always say it's hard to find someone who like classic and dislikes bc(or vice versa) - they really go hand in hand
Yngvi Birgisson I would say the exact same situation for me! I started playing just a few months before TBC as well and that’s where all of my fond memories are.
@@madseasonshow I dont really like classic, but I enjoy BC. But, I'm a wrathboi at heart
@@madseasonshow I think there are a decent number of hardcore classic people that don't like TBC, usually because they hate what flying did to world pvp.
MadSeasonShow especially early TBC. By the end of TBC they started making some quality of life changes. I know they eventually boosted XP and made mounts available at level 30. The mount thing happened like a month after I got mine at level 40...
Is it just me or does madseason sound even more monotone than usual?
I’m curious how far they’ll take this. Are they going all the way to Legion? Maybe this will give them a second shot at WoD. Or Maybe they’ll stop after WotLK since Cata is when lots of people started dropping off.
wod was my favorite expansion by my experience. although i think wotlk was the best hands down.
I would guess they'll be arguing internally about 2 options 1. Every 2 years release a new old expac. 2. Stop at wrath the last of the vanilla era expansions as past that leveling etc has stayed much the same upto SL
I'd expect option 1 to be what they go with.
realistically, theyd stop at Wrath. Keep classic pre Azertoth flight and hum, rearrangement.
Cata was juking for arena players the games pvp was the most balanced in cata
I'm glad this channel has grown up well, you deserve! Nice vid btw
I got another idea:
The same Classic Servers Upgrade to TBC, "but" the Players get the Option to Lock their Character(s) to level 60 (say by visiting Chromie in, maybe, Karazhan and buy a Scroll to Lock / Unlock progression)
This way, the community remain on the Server ... ppl who are locked to 60 can remain playing Classic, and the same ppl can still select one of their alts to move forward to TBC
That's actually not a bad idea
I 100% am ok with this it gives A players a choice and B it won't kill servers there are other reasons aswell I like it but I don't Wana make a huge as comment just to say the same thing Wich is TAKE THIS MANS IDEA BLIZZARD
OMG, this means classic lich is eventually coming.
I'd be so damn stoked. Started during wrath and played up until bfa. Wrath was amazing
Will you make a TBC class picking guide? Truly interested to see the differences and how they've evolved from classic.
Everyone will be warlock/hunter anyways
As soon as your beginning catchy toon started I farted and it went perfectly with it lol
12-18h/played each day thruout the entire TBC back in 2007/2008 and we might get a shot of the goodness once again. My body is ready, I'M PREPARED!
I've been waiting to go back for 10,000 years
they should start from level 1 on new specific "tbc servers" but allow people time to level a character upto 60 and gear before tbc releases
Uhm wellll couldnt you just do this now tho? In classic u know? Idk this seems kinda pointless
@@989896123 then your able to have your original community on classic and have a seperate created community on another tbc server (dont forget some people still want to be able to play classic) , also if you want to play belf/dranie your kinda screwed if your currently on the opposite faction, this also fixes that problem
100% they need to force servers to TBC and offer players who want to stay in Vanilla free transfers to a few new servers. The the majority of people are going to be playing BC, there is no debate there, so offering transfers to new BC servers is just going to create and enormous amount of unbalanced chaos on those new servers and kill all the current servers in the process. By upgrading current servers to BC, at the very least, they can maintain balance among the 2 communities. Servers might lose anywhere from 5 to 20% of their player base to transfers, but that is negligible considering servers are already 5x bigger than they ever were originally.
Additionally, people who want to continue playing Vanilla will have nice big servers to redevelop their communities in. Say they open like 6 or 8 new servers for just Vanilla, that will keep the population at a decent size. By doing this they would not be killing the current servers by forcing the majority of players off.
Further more the idea of starting at level 1 again, or getting a boost to 58, is ridiculous. That would put off so many less hard core players from ever even giving TBC a try. And who wants to spend all that time re-leveling again anyways? A substantial amount of players have been waiting for TBC this whole time and forcing them through the levelling process yet again to get to the content they have already levelled to play is just cruel.
Boosting to 58 is probably the worst option though. It is ideas like this that all but ruined retail. Nothing cheapens the experience of playing a game like WoW more than being allowed the option to essentially 'skip' content. You lose out on the entire bonding experience you get by slowly working your way through the game with your character and progressively making them more and more powerful. Besides, you will have far more people that have no godly idea what they are doing with their character as they never had to spend the time to learn how to use each new ability. I could really go on about this option, but the point is that this opens so many more issues than just splitting a community. As a final point I will add there is also the issue of not having the raiding gear you earned playing through Vanilla. Gear that is actually is extremely helpful while levelling, dungeoning, and even while starting raids.
This has turned into a bit of a rant, but I really do think the safest option is to just upgrade servers to TBC. It's the least disruptive and will be the healthiest option for classic as a whole.
I think fresh servers would be the best option. Everyone leveling together from level 1-70, its the best part of wow :D
"100%", "no debate there", "they _need_ to force TBC on those who paid to play classic".
hey smartie, i got a question for you; how many of the most populated private servers were TBC? ahuh? almost none, because people want to play Vanilla, which is what almost all private servers were running. you know why i started playing classic? because its classic and not TBC. if people like you want to play TBC, you either accept that you have to start from scratch or you go the route of one-time copy of character from classic > TBC realm. but one thing you will NOT do, is force TBC on those who started playing _SPECIFICALLY_ to enjoy classic. brainlet.
@@ZugzugZugzugson If you're going to use "quotes" learn to use them correctly. I never said "they need to force TBC on those who paid to play classic", I said they need to force SERVERS to TBC and offer transfers off for Vanilla advocates. If you think for a second that most people are not going to want to play TBC after 2 years of Vanilla and a content drought don't kid yourself. Yes, there will be a small portion of people who want to muddle about and do MC for the umpteenth time, but that is why opening some new servers to preserved that community would be the best option.
If you're going to refer to private servers as your point of debate you are being foolish. First off, there were no good TBC private servers, the best one out there was still pay to win. Secondly, there were way more high quality Vanilla private servers, so of course more people will be playing them. If you have 10 good vanilla servers and 1 pay to win TBC server and say hey, look, more people are playing vanilla therefore more people will want to only play vanilla, then you are really not seeing the big picture. Third, retail BC was a way more successful portion of the game's life cycle than Vanilla ever was. With Classic WoW being made available to anyone subscribed to retail you have 10x more people playing than the niche private server community ever had, most of whom will undoubtedly be ready to make the jump into TBC and not want to stagnate in Vanilla.
I understand you might be a child, so I'm going to go ahead and let go the fact you're insulting me just because my argument scares you. However, you must understand by simply forcing BC players off of servers, Vanilla only advocates would be hurt the most, unless of course you prefer playing on an empty server.
Kogg it’s not the best option. There is a much better solution and stay safe was one of the first to talk about it. You can have copies for classic wow for people who don’t want to loose their progression, and when BC Classic is released all content is locked for a month or 2 to let the new players, horde pallies and alliance shamans catch up. A new server is definitely not the best option. I know I would never want to loose all my reps and stuff from classic. Plus that will make it a smoother transition for WOTLK classic achievements if they roll out those too. Blizz has said they started classic with the idea of a possible BC and WOTLK classics as well.
I feel like the Transfer option would be the most accurate while still keeping most people happy. I think "copying" would be best for me, but I understand the fear of exploitation.
I guarantee if they do a fresh server starting at 1, you will lose A LOT of people. Leveling in Classic is such a damn chore, I know I'm not the only one who would refuse to do it again. (Que the hardcore players trashing casuals)
Overall I'm excited as I didn't play WoW at all till Classic. So I really want to experience BC. But I just don't want to lose all the progress I'm making on my current character.
copy seems best because that's how it originally was back in the day. no way u gonna have to create a new character that's just torture.
fraai I feel the same way. I just know there’s a lot of people who like the fresh server feel. I’m not one of them lol. Not when it takes so long to level.
In TBC they greatly reduced the EXP you gain from mobs and quests so leveling from 1 is not that bad. also all the players who will be rolling Blood Elf or Draenei will be way behind the power curve and constantly getting ganked. if you've ever played on a pvp server you KNOW that you MUST start your main at LAUNCH or your leveling experience will be hell
I remember riding the end of classic straight through to BC learning raiding, sharpening my skills in those raids and entering WOTLK in what all became my best gaming memories as a hardcore raider and PvPer. Quit midway through the xoansion after which was cataclysm I think? The magic in the design was gone during cataclysm for me.... I am downloading classic right now in the chance to take that ride again into BC
Same. I enjoyed the game up till WotLK, I don't want to have anything after.
I'm playing WoW for the first time since the start of the pandemic and I'm EAGER to play the burning crusade!
Can't wait for LK classic! That's the ONE!
I'm hoping there's a 'copy' option where you can keep your classic character on a classic server and also continue their progress on TBC
Pete that would be ideal. Nice pfp, I can tell you like good ol classic games :>
Personaly, since it is a classic burning crusade expansion server option, and not an actual expansion, everyone should be starting at lvl 1. It also seems to have the least amount of negative side effects. If they do consider that option, the best for me would be a 1 time, 1 toon copy transfer of your choice from a classic wow realm to a bc server. This way, you keep your lvl 60 toon on classic wow, and that toon copies over to bc servers. Wow classic would still be separate from bc, that way, those who still want classic, or both in my case, would have those options.
why?
why not just enjoy a reroll of vanilla on a new server with everyone who loves vanilla classic? that seems 100% better and letting your 60 decked out character go to outlands in BC and replace his gear with greens. Retains community. forces pvp hellfire battleground experience and gives us the classic experience all over again - hopefully a couple months after TBC comes out. give people time to play Tbc.
They should release BC just like they did with classic and just allow character copy. Exactly like how they do the PTR.
I really don't want the classic community to die, this has been my first experience with it. I've been taking a break because of school. If this BC stuff comes to pass, it just goes to show I'm gonna have to take as much time as I can to enjoy it while I can and at least get to 60 if not raid.
Loved the Vanilla/TBC combo right up until patch 2.3.0 in which elite mobs in the world were made non-elite. And my main [Priest] shield got nerfed (2 hits from a Fel Boar would break it). The final TBC patch 2.4.3 included level 30 mounts and was already beset with so many class balancing shenanigans that people would just jump around to what played well rather than feel very connected to their main. Also in 2.4.3, the first appearances of changes to the harbors in capital cities started showing in advance of the WotLK release. So would they modify that or pick 2.2.3?
I hoped an actual extension for Classic. But after I have seen what they have done to Warcraft III, I have no trust left in this company.
What I don’t understand is where does blizzard draw the line with expansions? Do you stop after BC? WotLK? Cata? It’s for this reason that I’d prefer Classic+
I'd be pretty disappointed if we got free 58s, I quit retail after character boosts as I always loved the grind for max level and it was something you could be proud of and not everyone had the patience for it. Classic and TBC wasn't for the filthly casuals who needs the option to max with microtransactions and I hope they respect that.
Both "entire server moves to BC" and "start from level one" are how it worked when BC was released.
There were servers, like the one I started on, that were new servers that disallowed transfers for three months. Everyone started at level one.
I would be so pissed.... haven't saved gold for epic flying on several toons...
I look forward to checking in on WoW in 12 years and rolling a new Kul Tiran in BfA Classic.
I would love to see a Classic + to see all the things they wanted to do with classic before BC came out.
I'll always prefer 12 months of classic plus. If it doesn't work out then that's ok, it was tried and failed.
BC is fine, but was when I actually quit WoW as I didn't enjoy Outland or its raids at the time.
You do understand that if it "classic+" fails . the damage it will cause to the playerbase is a no going back after that
Too expensive though, the blizz of 2020 will never do something as risky and expensive as classic+ (when the cheap and easy alternative of tbc is right there) imo
Yup... a lot of players including myself wanna try BC launch. Also you’d know for a fact they’d have to do wrath then !
Thinking blizzard currently can possibly release a successful classic plus literally boggles my mind. Don't get me wrong, I'd be down if i had faith in the company but at this point its as likely as Princess from maradon dropping that epic. I'd have more faith in some rando person creating a classic +. BC is literally the only WoW expansion that is basically Classic +
I played vanilla and BC but BC was the most fun and memorable time I've had in WoW. Vanilla was also epic but I missed out on some of the end game content due to joining late 2006, so I'm happy i was able to experience it. Now I want to re-experience BC now that I'm older, more knowledgable and now raid in a serious raiding guild. I couldn't tell you how many times I ran Kara and Heroic dungeons as well as BG's, Arena and loved the zone based PvP objectives esp Nagrand.
And what after tbc - wotlk classic? Imo they should introduce seasons - you got one, basic vanilla server and you got season servers - everytime last raid in vanilla gets on farming status - season ends, all characters are moved to non-season vanilla server and season servers gets reset for fresh start and phase 1 again. They could also introduce some seasonal gimmicks to make it more interesting.
Banished from my own homeland, and now you dare enter my realm
I think the launch time all the way till december was the peak of entertainment for me in classic, everyone was still gearing and hanging out with each other now it's a bit more reserved. The idea of starting again from lv 1 would also make me choose the other fraction, something I didn't do yet because I enjoy to much equiping my twinks with the gold of my mains.
>9:25 "I also had lots of big life stuff happened to me, so I missed out on the REAL experience."
Spoken like a true gamer, OMG. :DDD
I'm just waiting for WTLK, so I can resubscribe and live there forever after
Gonna be so many years from now though. But man...to just re do Sarth+ 3, Ulduar, LK....ahhh
My favorite expansion was the burning crusade. Having said that I will admit they should have never killed the lich King. One does not simply kill the lich King. He should have always been the baddest dude of all time and they should have never replaced him. He was the Darth Vader of wow. Dude had an undead army and lived in the Frozen north in an evil citadel. That's just too epic to get rid of. No expansion since then has had such a badass final boss.
The only reason I like burning crusade more than wrath was because I think the PVP was better during burning crusade. But in terms of PVE nothing beats wrath, and therefore the lich King should never have died.
i would still prefer classic+ but that never felt like a real possibility
I was only 5 when Vanilla first came out so i rarely played. only when my dad let me (when he wasnt playing basically lmao) but I was 8 when TBC came out so i was able to understand and play more... and honestly it has always been my favorite expansion. Id love for TBC to come out.
Dude I’m literally the same exact way!!
Question? Will there be dungeon finder? I started playing when it existed and the game sucks without it but I would gladly play again if it had it
Are they actually re-releasing this?? Are they seriously going to convince me to give up my life for shockadins and mangle druids again omg
It won't happen. I feared the same, but learned im over my WoW phase after playing Classic again for a month, but to each their own.
@@Prebound_ thing is, classic is trash, tbc and wotlk are much much much better
Jarum I’m a hypocrite, cause shorty after that comment I’m back playing classic and looking forward to TBC again... smh
@@Prebound_ HAHAHA, too real, honestly though I have a love hate relationship with classic as well, looking forward to TBC though.