You missed the most important step. Before re installing the air chamber top cap. Take butter and 30wt and mix it untill the butter thins out a bit. Then use this mixture and add .5ml to the top of the seal head. If you dont the butter just clumps up and sits on top the seal head and lubes nothing. You can add 5 to 7 drops of 30wt but pre mixing and using just enough to cover the seal head gives the best long term sbc. Almost all the stiction on these forks come from that upper air chamber seal head. Once you do this. You will never go back to straight butter.
I think this is why Sram now instruct you to coat the inside of the air stanchion with dynamic seal grease and add a few ml of oil to the top of the air chamber
That's not what the manual calls for, I'll stick with what the manufacturer recommends. Dynamic seal grease on the piston and inside the tube, with 3ml of 0w-30 on top of the piston.
Did this to my 2017 yari..damn! It was soo good! Have to run a couple of time to get use to it..its like a new fork..oh well ..it become lyrik 2021...huhu!
I have the Revelation RC 35mm 2018 fork with 29er set up 140mm travel. Can i get the air spring and the charger and somehow get 150mm travel? Is it going to mess up the geometry of the bike?
Geometry changes slighty.. 10mm is not a lot.. but the forks sits higher in its travel.. might change a bit more.. If you want to upgrade, use debonair spring 00.4020.552.001 for 150mm travel and if you also want the Charger Damper 2.1, that the 2021 pike ultimate uses, buy 00.4020.169.005 as well... After changing the parts you basically have a revelation fork that is identical to a 2021 pike ultimate fork with 150mm of travel
@@sprousaTMhi bud! Hey question. I wana upgrade my Revelation to a pike ultimate also, found the airspring & 2.1 RC2 for a good price new. My question is, I know the damper is a cartridge style, but does it come prepared with oil in it? If so, how much oil do they hold? Is it easy to change out the oil? Im going to see if I can find any of that info in trailforks. I seen the oil & lube chart & all it says next to 2.1 RC2 is "bleed" for the capacity 🤷🏻♂️ And it says 155ml for my stock Motion Control.....
@@mikeburgh3956 the damper is pre filled. You juat have to remove the old motion control unit, clean the inner side of the stanchion, stick in the 2.1 damper unit and fasten it to the required torque specs. If you want to service the damper unit, that is a more complex process than the motion control unit. As you said, you bleed the unit with oil until no air bubbles are coming out. The detailed process is pretty well documented in Srams downloaded pdf files 👍if you buy it new, you don't have to do that of course. The service cycle for the damper is pretty high though. Something like 200+ riding hours.
Great video!! Hey I’m ready to swap my lowers to a new upper crown also upgrading to debon air, but I got a question I saw in the video that you drain some oil from the charger side do you need to add oil again into the charger chamber? If so what kind ? Thanks.
I think the question was relative to draining oil from the uppers on the charger side. Yes there should be 10ml in the lowers but what about the uppers?
@@Drakes355 The fork in its original config had a motion control damper, which is an "open-bath" type damper and that was why oil was dumped out at the beginning. The upgrade is a new Charger 2.1 drop-in "cartridge" type damper so all the oil is already contained inside the damper (if you cycle the shaft, you can see the bladder expand/contract from the oil inside). No need to add any oil, just drop in and reassemble! Of course, add 10mL of oil in the lowers. Cheers!
@@tomnguyen7880oh cool. But are we able to change the cartridge oil? Or never have to? If do for service, how much does it hold? I looked it up in the service manual but it states "bleed" for capacity 🤷🏻♂️
Hello, one question, I have a sid rlc that charger 2 carries, but I move that spinner to the right and left and I don't notice anything, what is it for? Thanks a lot
I upgraded my 2019 Revelation (OEM version of Pike) from Charger 1 to 2.1 RC2 damper last year and just recently the Debonair spring to the 2021 anti-suckdown version, same as you. Biggest improvement is the damper. Way less chatter transmitted to my hands and much more stable over everything. Nice video except it appears you''re using a steel rule to push the towel through the stanchions. You're taking a risk of scratching the bores, especially the air side where the piston slides. Something soft like plastic or wood is safer.
It was worth it to me, especially the damper even though it was the most expensive part. Way less then a new Pike Ultimate. If I did it again I’d consider the RCT3 version at 2/3 the cost. No high speed compression adjust but I run mine wide open so maybe it’s the same. You get the lock and pedal platform lever for climbing efficiency.
I doubt you have the latest Charger version 2.1. The Revelation is intended to be a budget OEM Pike so I’d be surprised they installed the premium damper from the Pike Ultimate. I believe the 3 in RTC3 is for open, pedal platform (stiff open), and locked. Yours has all three lever positions? My 2019 only had open and pedal platform on a Charger 1 damper. Maybe yours is also an earlier damper but with RTC3?
@@jeffh9071 mine has 6 clicks the serial number is 23T82391388 can't you look it up it will tell you which one it is I know for a fact it is not the 2.1 cause that has high and low speed compression this just has 6 clicks of compression it is Debonair and Charger but after that I don't know which one is which
After 2 years of hard riding in all conditions, I'd recommend it. But please don't grease the outside of the wiper seals as you press them into the lowers like the creator of this vid did. Only moving surfaces are supposed to be greased.
Hello I want to ask, maybe stupid question. I have this Charger in RS Lyrik (maybe it is Charger 2) and I had a problem with LSC setup - by problem I mean I was not able to rotate it separetely from HSC. I don't know why. If it was becasue of dirt or something (bike was used for Enduro races). But anyway. I took pliers and grab the LSC and while holding HSC, I turn it. There was small snap and LSC got loose. Now it rotate seperately from HSC and also do clicks. If it works properly is hard to tell. I unfortunately did not know, that it would have been enough just to remove that small hex and look under and clean it. Do you know if there is anything I could damage in the charger by this? Thank you.
Im looking to do an overall service on my lyrik rc 170mm and also get the debonair upgrade, the damper upgrade is out of my budget though so is it worth to spend 40 euro on just the air spring or is there not much of a difference in performance with just the air spring upgrade?
@@carlhartt but you will also have smaller negative chamber, therefore worse small bump sensitivity and worse performance in mid travel.. fork staying higher is just a myth.. yes, it will stay higher but only when you are not sitting on a bike.. in a real world scenario, you are aiming for the same sag, say 25%, either it is B2 or C1 spring.. if you lift the front wheel (e.g. in a jump), it will return to 0% sag even with B2 spring.. upon landing you have the same full travel available with both springs. Basically whole C1 spring is just a marketing BS for people who were complaining about "not having full travel" and not fully understanding how forks work.. But i'm curious - do you feel any significant difference in riding quality between default damper (motion control) and the new charger 2.1? Thanks.
Great video, I want to do the same upgradefor my yari nect year🙌 But I have one question: Does the damping side (charger) not need any sort of oil except from the OW-30?
Oh man, I got dizzy watching this video! I didn't even know that music can make me dizzy. Video is pretty good and more information such as socket size, torque specs would definitely appreciated.
Only the Lyric ultimate has a lighter crown, just did this to my Yari this evening, made a “how to” video, should be up in a day, check it out if you’d like.👍🏻
Hi, wo wurde der kleine schwarze Sprengring verbaut? (zweiter von rechts im Link). Habe seit der Installation ein leichtes Knacken im unteren Federweg. Habe den Sprengring zwischen die Rebound Schraube gelegt, passt da perfekt rein. War jedoch davor bei der Zeb R nicht verbaut. www.bike-components.de/de/RockShox/Charger-2-1-RC2-Upgrade-Kit-fuer-ZEB-A1-ab-Modell-2021-p77935/#product-image-4
@my bike hates hi mate can i remove the air spring without removing the top cap, or would this be too difficult to pull out? is the suction real hard without removing top cap? thank you what about applying ow-30 oil to spring shaft, above the seal head? is this neccessary or OTT? refer p 16 @t
No, that is for rear schocks only. The sram butter is much thinner. RSP also makes suspension grease similar to sram butter, i use that cause it is easier to get and way cheaper, does the job well.
@@BalintSofalvi That information is FALSE. The updated manual calls for Dynamic Seal. You can use SRAM butter but the current recommendation is Dynamic Seal in the air spring along with 3ml of 0w30 on top of air spring ONLY if using Dynamic Seal grease.
@@BalintSofalvi Glad to share relevant info with my fellow mountain bikers. Apparently is just the new air spring C1 that calls for the Dynamic Seal along with 0w30 on top. But I can't see why the B1 air spring couldn't benefit from this.
@@gabrieltager2615 i am running the latest debonair airspring so i guess this applies to this too. Will do it this way the next time i do a lower leg and airspring service, thanks for the info
@@MTBFreeks I can tell you in a couple of weeks.. just ordered the 150mm 2021 DebonAir Spring and the 2021 charger 2.1 damper for my revelation 2018+ fork.. Basically from what I can tell, changing the airspring to the newest version AND swapping in the expensive charger 2.1 with high and low compression adjustment knob changes the revelation to a Pike Ultimate fork. The Pike and Revelation are both the same fork in different price categories. While Revelation uses a normal RC motion damper, the pike starts with rct3, rct, rc2... Stanchionwise they are identically. Theirfore if you have a 2018+ Revelation with 35mm stanchions and buy the rc2.1 damper 00.4020.169.005 and the newest debonair spring, e.g. 00.4020.552.000 for the 160mm travel one (00.4020.552.001 to .004 for 150mm to 120mm), you will get the exact same fork as a Pike Ultimate RC2.1 :) The only difference then might be the looks of it... Same goes for the Yari and Lyrik..
That was incredibly satisfying to watch. Thanks!
Super well done! Demonstrated everything I needed to get the job done!
Cool video. 🤘👍
I think its easy to first put foam rings in lower legs, than install dust seals.
You missed the most important step. Before re installing the air chamber top cap. Take butter and 30wt and mix it untill the butter thins out a bit. Then use this mixture and add .5ml to the top of the seal head. If you dont the butter just clumps up and sits on top the seal head and lubes nothing. You can add 5 to 7 drops of 30wt but pre mixing and using just enough to cover the seal head gives the best long term sbc. Almost all the stiction on these forks come from that upper air chamber seal head. Once you do this. You will never go back to straight butter.
I think this is why Sram now instruct you to coat the inside of the air stanchion with dynamic seal grease and add a few ml of oil to the top of the air chamber
@@Will99x lol those weenies. Bet they try to market the mixture under a diff name. Lmfao
That's not what the manual calls for, I'll stick with what the manufacturer recommends. Dynamic seal grease on the piston and inside the tube, with 3ml of 0w-30 on top of the piston.
@@TangoOneits not 0W-30 its 3ml of Maxima dynamic fork oil 7,5WT on top of air chamber.
0W-30 goes to lower legs.
*source RS manuals for service.
wie zufrieden bist du mit dem Mod? Was für Unterschiede merkst du?
How did you reconnect the metal band on the wiper?
Does the Charger 2.1 damper come prefilled with oil and ready to install?
The music selection and the mechanical choreography rival porno video :-)
Thinking of upgrading my Domain R from 2022 with the Zeb Charger 2.1. Thx for the video mate. That will help me a lot
How you get on ? I just order same kit
I got same fork on reigns e3
Did this to my 2017 yari..damn! It was soo good! Have to run a couple of time to get use to it..its like a new fork..oh well ..it become lyrik 2021...huhu!
there is a 2021 debonair ;-)
@@jerryx2000 i did the 2021 airshaft upgrade to my yari...for me it is phenomenal!!
Extraordinary guide on service and selection of grease! Thanks. Bookmarking your video for future reference 👏🏻
Great work! Need to do this to my Yari.
Haha same
I have the Revelation RC 35mm 2018 fork with 29er set up 140mm travel. Can i get the air spring and the charger and somehow get 150mm travel? Is it going to mess up the geometry of the bike?
Geometry changes slighty.. 10mm is not a lot.. but the forks sits higher in its travel.. might change a bit more.. If you want to upgrade, use debonair spring 00.4020.552.001 for 150mm travel and if you also want the Charger Damper 2.1, that the 2021 pike ultimate uses, buy 00.4020.169.005 as well... After changing the parts you basically have a revelation fork that is identical to a 2021 pike ultimate fork with 150mm of travel
YES!! I'll be doing this to my Revelation A3, im going 140 to 160 airspring & charger 2.1 RC2.
@@sprousaTMhi bud! Hey question. I wana upgrade my Revelation to a pike ultimate also, found the airspring & 2.1 RC2 for a good price new. My question is, I know the damper is a cartridge style, but does it come prepared with oil in it? If so, how much oil do they hold? Is it easy to change out the oil? Im going to see if I can find any of that info in trailforks. I seen the oil & lube chart & all it says next to 2.1 RC2 is "bleed" for the capacity 🤷🏻♂️ And it says 155ml for my stock Motion Control.....
@@mikeburgh3956 the damper is pre filled. You juat have to remove the old motion control unit, clean the inner side of the stanchion, stick in the 2.1 damper unit and fasten it to the required torque specs. If you want to service the damper unit, that is a more complex process than the motion control unit. As you said, you bleed the unit with oil until no air bubbles are coming out. The detailed process is pretty well documented in Srams downloaded pdf files 👍if you buy it new, you don't have to do that of course. The service cycle for the damper is pretty high though. Something like 200+ riding hours.
Great video!!
Hey I’m ready to swap my lowers to a new upper crown also upgrading to debon air, but I got a question I saw in the video that you drain some oil from the charger side do you need to add oil again into the charger chamber? If so what kind ?
Thanks.
hello, yes there are 10 ml of oil in each side ...
I think the question was relative to draining oil from the uppers on the charger side. Yes there should be 10ml in the lowers but what about the uppers?
@@Drakes355 The fork in its original config had a motion control damper, which is an "open-bath" type damper and that was why oil was dumped out at the beginning. The upgrade is a new Charger 2.1 drop-in "cartridge" type damper so all the oil is already contained inside the damper (if you cycle the shaft, you can see the bladder expand/contract from the oil inside). No need to add any oil, just drop in and reassemble! Of course, add 10mL of oil in the lowers. Cheers!
@@tomnguyen7880oh cool. But are we able to change the cartridge oil? Or never have to? If do for service, how much does it hold? I looked it up in the service manual but it states "bleed" for capacity 🤷🏻♂️
Does this means that your fork is now a LYRIK?
Hello, one question, I have a sid rlc that charger 2 carries, but I move that spinner to the right and left and I don't notice anything, what is it for? Thanks a lot
I upgraded my 2019 Revelation (OEM version of Pike) from Charger 1 to 2.1 RC2 damper last year and just recently the Debonair spring to the 2021 anti-suckdown version, same as you. Biggest improvement is the damper. Way less chatter transmitted to my hands and much more stable over everything.
Nice video except it appears you''re using a steel rule to push the towel through the stanchions. You're taking a risk of scratching the bores, especially the air side where the piston slides. Something soft like plastic or wood is safer.
Was it worth the money I have the same fork on my 2019 Devinci Troy AL 27.5 bike and it is pretty good now but want it better
It was worth it to me, especially the damper even though it was the most expensive part. Way less then a new Pike Ultimate. If I did it again I’d consider the RCT3 version at 2/3 the cost. No high speed compression adjust but I run mine wide open so maybe it’s the same. You get the lock and pedal platform lever for climbing efficiency.
@@jeffh9071 is that not what I already have RCT3 version I have a Charger Damper in my Revelation
I doubt you have the latest Charger version 2.1. The Revelation is intended to be a budget OEM Pike so I’d be surprised they installed the premium damper from the Pike Ultimate.
I believe the 3 in RTC3 is for open, pedal platform (stiff open), and locked. Yours has all three lever positions? My 2019 only had open and pedal platform on a Charger 1 damper. Maybe yours is also an earlier damper but with RTC3?
@@jeffh9071 mine has 6 clicks the serial number is 23T82391388 can't you look it up it will tell you which one it is I know for a fact it is not the 2.1 cause that has high and low speed compression this just has 6 clicks of compression it is Debonair and Charger but after that I don't know which one is which
What was that little trick with the spring retainers ? Or did he forget to put em on?
Right?!
Hi good video, what Is the price of the kit upgrade?
Is this really a lyrik? With a motion control damper?
Great video.
Do you really need to replace the fork seals?
After 2 years of hard riding in all conditions, I'd recommend it. But please don't grease the outside of the wiper seals as you press them into the lowers like the creator of this vid did. Only moving surfaces are supposed to be greased.
@@hanswurst6864 is that why he was able to install them without a driver?
Hello
I want to ask, maybe stupid question. I have this Charger in RS Lyrik (maybe it is Charger 2) and I had a problem with LSC setup - by problem I mean I was not able to rotate it separetely from HSC. I don't know why. If it was becasue of dirt or something (bike was used for Enduro races). But anyway. I took pliers and grab the LSC and while holding HSC, I turn it. There was small snap and LSC got loose. Now it rotate seperately from HSC and also do clicks. If it works properly is hard to tell. I unfortunately did not know, that it would have been enough just to remove that small hex and look under and clean it. Do you know if there is anything I could damage in the charger by this? Thank you.
Im looking to do an overall service on my lyrik rc 170mm and also get the debonair upgrade, the damper upgrade is out of my budget though so is it worth to spend 40 euro on just the air spring or is there not much of a difference in performance with just the air spring upgrade?
the fork is stay higher! so you also have more travel....for 40 euros it is very good!
@@carlhartt but you will also have smaller negative chamber, therefore worse small bump sensitivity and worse performance in mid travel.. fork staying higher is just a myth.. yes, it will stay higher but only when you are not sitting on a bike.. in a real world scenario, you are aiming for the same sag, say 25%, either it is B2 or C1 spring.. if you lift the front wheel (e.g. in a jump), it will return to 0% sag even with B2 spring.. upon landing you have the same full travel available with both springs. Basically whole C1 spring is just a marketing BS for people who were complaining about "not having full travel" and not fully understanding how forks work..
But i'm curious - do you feel any significant difference in riding quality between default damper (motion control) and the new charger 2.1? Thanks.
Feels good to ride ? Reliable ?
is that the right kind of oil tho?
Hi sorry for my englesh , I have a question ,how many clicks do you have at high and low speeds compression .thank you
it depends on how you drive...I ride a lot in the bikepark and the high speed is completely open .... low speed 4 clicks from open
@@carlhartt how many numbers clicks total do you have at high and low speeds
Great video, I want to do the same upgradefor my yari nect year🙌 But I have one question: Does the damping side (charger) not need any sort of oil except from the OW-30?
The charger comes prefilled with oil from the factory, the 0w30 oil is only for lubricating the lower legs.
Therapeutic video! Doing the upgrade tomorrow. Thanks!
Not sure why you took off the seal springs
don´t forget it!!!!
They suggest removing the spring in the RockShox service manual. Still not sure why though
@@battlepug3122 you should take them off so you cant damage them when putting the lowers back on the stanchions
Oh man, I got dizzy watching this video! I didn't even know that music can make me dizzy. Video is pretty good and more information such as socket size, torque specs would definitely appreciated.
uhhh, go to the rockshox website and download the service manual....
Welches ÖL kommt den in die Gabel und hast du dazu Mengen angaben die du eventuell hier schreiben kannst?
0W30 und jeweils 10ml in beiden Seiten (ist bei der Yari so, kann aber bei anderen Gabeln wieder anders sein)
What’s the name/model of those special pliers to remove the retaining clip from air spring bottom?
Nothing insane, they're just called retaining clip pliers
Excellent video
Whats the difference between the charger R and charger RC?
Thank you awesome video.
Can i use RockShox Dynamic Seal Grease (PTFE) for Air and Damper Side ?
Yes, you can use it for air spring, but you should fill 3ml of oil in air side leg after that.
If I upgrade yari’s damper to charger 2.1 rc2, is it the same as lyrik ultimate?
with the new airshaft - YES!
@@carlhartt saves me money from buying a new fork. I have the 2021 Yari and I think I came with the new airshaft
Only the Lyric ultimate has a lighter crown, just did this to my Yari this evening, made a “how to” video, should be up in a day, check it out if you’d like.👍🏻
@@SimplePleasuresMTB I’ll check it out. Sick ride on millennium trail btw.
Hi, Can I upgrade whit this kit my Rockshox 35 gold Rl 150mm?
no
Вот, это уровень!
Hi, wo wurde der kleine schwarze Sprengring verbaut? (zweiter von rechts im Link). Habe seit der Installation ein leichtes Knacken im unteren Federweg. Habe den Sprengring zwischen die Rebound Schraube gelegt, passt da perfekt rein. War jedoch davor bei der Zeb R nicht verbaut.
www.bike-components.de/de/RockShox/Charger-2-1-RC2-Upgrade-Kit-fuer-ZEB-A1-ab-Modell-2021-p77935/#product-image-4
Is it possible to increase the stroke to 170 from a 160 yari with this kit?
I think yes
And? Is it a big difference?
Yes, very big
@@carlhartt nice 🤘🏻
@my bike hates hi mate can i remove the air spring without removing the top cap, or would this be too difficult to pull out? is the suction real hard without removing top cap? thank you
what about applying ow-30 oil to spring shaft, above the seal head? is this neccessary or OTT? refer p 16
@t
I guess if you remove the valve core you can remove the airspring without removing the whole topcap.
That would reduce the airvolume in the positive airspring, no oil is needed there, only in the lower legs below the seal head.
Please tell me that the model for the “casette tool” adapter.
Park tool # FR-5.2
Is it ok to not use the Dynamic Seal Grease for this operation?
No, that is for rear schocks only. The sram butter is much thinner. RSP also makes suspension grease similar to sram butter, i use that cause it is easier to get and way cheaper, does the job well.
@@BalintSofalvi That information is FALSE. The updated manual calls for Dynamic Seal. You can use SRAM butter but the current recommendation is Dynamic Seal in the air spring along with 3ml of 0w30 on top of air spring ONLY if using Dynamic Seal grease.
@@gabrieltager2615 thanks for the info, i didnt see the new manual, i still work on my fork according to the previous version, my fork is a 2018 Yari.
@@BalintSofalvi Glad to share relevant info with my fellow mountain bikers. Apparently is just the new air spring C1 that calls for the Dynamic Seal along with 0w30 on top. But I can't see why the B1 air spring couldn't benefit from this.
@@gabrieltager2615 i am running the latest debonair airspring so i guess this applies to this too. Will do it this way the next time i do a lower leg and airspring service, thanks for the info
E possibile farlo anche sulla pike...?
You should take a look at everflow.it, it is a much better option of both the B1 and C1
Forgot the o-ring
Hey let me ask you bro I have a 2019 Revelation Charger Debonair is it worth it to upgrade to the charger 2.1?
MTB Freeks im wondering the same
@@MTBFreeks I can tell you in a couple of weeks.. just ordered the 150mm 2021 DebonAir Spring and the 2021 charger 2.1 damper for my revelation 2018+ fork.. Basically from what I can tell, changing the airspring to the newest version AND swapping in the expensive charger 2.1 with high and low compression adjustment knob changes the revelation to a Pike Ultimate fork. The Pike and Revelation are both the same fork in different price categories. While Revelation uses a normal RC motion damper, the pike starts with rct3, rct, rc2... Stanchionwise they are identically. Theirfore if you have a 2018+ Revelation with 35mm stanchions and buy the rc2.1 damper 00.4020.169.005 and the newest debonair spring, e.g. 00.4020.552.000 for the 160mm travel one (00.4020.552.001 to .004 for 150mm to 120mm), you will get the exact same fork as a Pike Ultimate RC2.1 :) The only difference then might be the looks of it... Same goes for the Yari and Lyrik..
Nice and well done lol
you get the RockShox nut here: amzn.to/3omL4wS
You forgot to grease the air cast!!
Don't use metal to pull the cloth trough
Buy fast suspension damper,amen
Man that lower leg oil looked disgusting
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