Wow, I had no idea that X-wing was going to be discontinued. Our FLGS still has a ton of product on the walls. I loved how it looked, but for me the price point was too much, and once I heard how everything changed with 2.0 I'm so glad I didn't pour any money into this. I would have loved for the ships for RPG games though. It is sad when a game like this is discontinued.
1) Who cares if it is not supported? 2) Keeping playing the rules, people still play Chess What's the problem? 3) Full Thrust best star ship rules ever been playing since 1970's 4) The Game only dies if you stop playing it. 5) STLs 3D print on and on and on................
@@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb Nah, just being an old coot wargamer who's watched games come and go since 1965. Honestly I think we do need to foster a culture of continuing to run good old games instead of chasing whatever is new. :-) Keep the faith.
It is sad when a loved game ends. However the treasure hunting now becomes the thrill. I still look for Warhammer Invasion card packs for a decent price. Monsterpocalypse came back. Later this year Heroscape is slated to come back. So it may not be the complete end, but a hibernation for the game. Either way, like you said it is still something that can be enjoyed, and you don't have to worry about meta updates with a closed system.
I disagree that 2.0 was a mistake, everyone I talked to in person that had played 1.0 said 2.0 was still better balanced, especially with the ability to fine tune points every few months. Granted I also had a similar reaction when 2.5 came out with missions, where I didn't play very much and eventually moved on. I think what killed the game was a mix of the pandemic and the company change handing it to AMG during the pandemic so the changes came at a time they couldn't bring in enough new players to counteract the disenfranchised ones that doesn't like the rule change.
2.0 was a needed update to the bloated set of rules that 1.0 had become. 2.5 was an unnecessary change, made by people who simply did not understand the game, but enjoyed rolling lots of dice. I like the removal of points from the cards, but that is about the only good thing I can say about 2.5. I will happily go back to playing 2.0, or even 1.0. Both are better games than 2.5. I agree that the pandemic, and the move to Atomic Mass, killed the game. I don’t blame Atomic Mass - I feel they were told they would be taking on the game, whether they wanted to, or not. Sad to see that a game the was once more popular than Warhammer 40K has ended like this. I am starting to think Star Wars is cursed, since being bought by Disney. They have taken what was, arguably, one of, if not the, world’s biggest franchises, and run every aspect of it into the ground. There are a few bright spots, here and there, but nothing compared to where the franchise was, pre-Disney. Is it a case of Disney sabotaging the franchise, because it wasn’t originally theirs, and their take on it was, to be kind, poorly received, or has everything just been mismanaged that badly, by the respective licensees? In any case, it takes something special, intentional or otherwise, to destroy something that should be making money hand over fist. Cheers,
2.0 was needed, FFG just fumbled the roll out by making it too expensive to convert your fleet. The conversion packs were "ok", but there should have been a way to buy individual ship packs so that if I had a tie swarm, I wouldn't have to buy 2-3 empire conversion kits. But when AMG took over they put little to no effort into it. A few card packs, and they fundmentally changed the game with 2.5, changing the game from a dogfighting game to mission objective game and some fundemental mechanics changes that were not needed.. AMG made generic pilots deliberately too expensive, so that people would fly Luke Skywalker, Vader, etc... and while the standard loadouts were a cool idea, the later sets were OP and they completely ignored the other 5 factions beyond Rebels and Empire. AMG, never delivered on the reprints like the Gunboat and the only new ships that launched under their watch were already in development under FFG.
AMG totally screwed the pooch on this one. They never really wanted x-wing and the amount of effort they put in it developing it and making it a better game shows it. You could have done a open source community development team and it wouldn't have been better.
i'd say go bigger than double down.. Expand the game yourself. scour wookipedia for ships that never made it to tabletop and home brew em in. get stl files for minis, make your own dials and playtest em. the game can be community led now.
With any luck the players will keep it alive, as they have with other games, with rules support and 3d-printed ships from dedicated player groups and conventions. Good luck true blue Star Wars fans.
Not that anyone has asked, but there are free 3D printing files out there, for every ship that was officially released for any version of the game, in the appropriate scale. Many of them also have existing pegs, or are ready for pegs. You just need to look.
I still play 1.0 with my friends and mainly I'm collecting the Miniatures from the Clone Wars era to play other games with. Starship combat games enroll systems are out there that you can use the ships with.
The problem with X-Wing is that all the iconic film ships had been released, and everyone had everything they wanted. FFG and then AMG were stuck with obscure EU ships and a trickle of new content ships.
@fritz a very simple way that they could have expanded the game using the same Miniatures was to make a ground base epic Star Wars Legion game where you would have had mass armies going against each other, just using the X-Wing game system. Tell me that wouldn't have sold a million copies?
Can't say if 2.0 was a mistake business wise but i kniw it was fir our community. We went from 30+ players every tues night and a once a month tournament to maybe four guys playing. I havent even seen those guys playing this year.
It's a shame that FFG got greedy and brought out the 2.0 sets. That was the beginning of the end, splitting the fanbase is never a good idea... Theres a couple digital tools to play the game online with people, with a few pretty good communities.
I humbly disagree, OP. 1.0 had become increasingly unbalanced, and bloated. It still worked, but a revision was needed. I think I actually prefer the 2.0 rules. That said, I just want my three no-name K-wings to be able to pack a bunch of Cluster Mines, drop them in front of my opponent, before he moves, then Slam behind them, in one turn, again… *sigh* Good times… 😂
Most likely, it was time to re-new the Star Wars franchise fee, and they wanted too much. Everyone can see that Disney is killing the Star Wars franchise.
Armada casual here. FFG could have made tons more money. This is what happens when they mismanage and listen to a board. Oh well, I just need to buy 4 more ships and I'll be happy with my collection.
Don't get any game based on a property that didn't start as a gaming property. It's pointless and a waste of time and always ends the same way. Meanwhile Battletech and Warhammer are 35+ years old.
It’s cause AMG is terrible lol. No other company makes a game to directly compete with another game they have that’s already proven as marketable (looking at you legion)
Well, given the massive damage done to the franchise by the current owners, it's hardly a surprise.
Wow, I had no idea that X-wing was going to be discontinued. Our FLGS still has a ton of product on the walls. I loved how it looked, but for me the price point was too much, and once I heard how everything changed with 2.0 I'm so glad I didn't pour any money into this. I would have loved for the ships for RPG games though. It is sad when a game like this is discontinued.
If you're in Australia I might be able to work with you on that
1) Who cares if it is not supported? 2) Keeping playing the rules, people still play Chess What's the problem? 3) Full Thrust best star ship rules ever been playing since 1970's 4) The Game only dies if you stop playing it. 5) STLs 3D print on and on and on................
Too much logic 😊
@@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb Nah, just being an old coot wargamer who's watched games come and go since 1965. Honestly I think we do need to foster a culture of continuing to run good old games instead of chasing whatever is new. :-) Keep the faith.
@@davidcashin1894 Somewhere out there, two old men are huddled over a table full of lead playing WRG 4th.
@@PatGilliland LOL!!
@@PatGillilandAmen brother! 🤞🙏🏻🖖
Got into the miniature wargaming hobby almost 6 years ago through 2nd Edition X-Wing. And still love it today. I'll be playing it for years to come
It is sad when a loved game ends. However the treasure hunting now becomes the thrill. I still look for Warhammer Invasion card packs for a decent price. Monsterpocalypse came back. Later this year Heroscape is slated to come back. So it may not be the complete end, but a hibernation for the game. Either way, like you said it is still something that can be enjoyed, and you don't have to worry about meta updates with a closed system.
Unfortunately still waiting for the most likely never to be released Monsterpocalypse update that I backed in 2021! 😢
It died as soon as they thought 2.0 was a good idea.
I disagree that 2.0 was a mistake, everyone I talked to in person that had played 1.0 said 2.0 was still better balanced, especially with the ability to fine tune points every few months. Granted I also had a similar reaction when 2.5 came out with missions, where I didn't play very much and eventually moved on.
I think what killed the game was a mix of the pandemic and the company change handing it to AMG during the pandemic so the changes came at a time they couldn't bring in enough new players to counteract the disenfranchised ones that doesn't like the rule change.
2.0 was a needed update to the bloated set of rules that 1.0 had become. 2.5 was an unnecessary change, made by people who simply did not understand the game, but enjoyed rolling lots of dice. I like the removal of points from the cards, but that is about the only good thing I can say about 2.5.
I will happily go back to playing 2.0, or even 1.0. Both are better games than 2.5.
I agree that the pandemic, and the move to Atomic Mass, killed the game. I don’t blame Atomic Mass - I feel they were told they would be taking on the game, whether they wanted to, or not.
Sad to see that a game the was once more popular than Warhammer 40K has ended like this.
I am starting to think Star Wars is cursed, since being bought by Disney. They have taken what was, arguably, one of, if not the, world’s biggest franchises, and run every aspect of it into the ground. There are a few bright spots, here and there, but nothing compared to where the franchise was, pre-Disney.
Is it a case of Disney sabotaging the franchise, because it wasn’t originally theirs, and their take on it was, to be kind, poorly received, or has everything just been mismanaged that badly, by the respective licensees? In any case, it takes something special, intentional or otherwise, to destroy something that should be making money hand over fist.
Cheers,
I’ve already been left behind, so it’s same as usual for me. X wing 1.0 for life.
Whoop! Whoop! Harpoon missiles and aggressors ftw!
Guri with all the maneuverability!@@nicholasyost8400
I enjoy all of Wargamer Fritz videos
2.0 was needed, FFG just fumbled the roll out by making it too expensive to convert your fleet. The conversion packs were "ok", but there should have been a way to buy individual ship packs so that if I had a tie swarm, I wouldn't have to buy 2-3 empire conversion kits.
But when AMG took over they put little to no effort into it. A few card packs, and they fundmentally changed the game with 2.5, changing the game from a dogfighting game to mission objective game and some fundemental mechanics changes that were not needed.. AMG made generic pilots deliberately too expensive, so that people would fly Luke Skywalker, Vader, etc... and while the standard loadouts were a cool idea, the later sets were OP and they completely ignored the other 5 factions beyond Rebels and Empire. AMG, never delivered on the reprints like the Gunboat and the only new ships that launched under their watch were already in development under FFG.
AMG totally screwed the pooch on this one. They never really wanted x-wing and the amount of effort they put in it developing it and making it a better game shows it. You could have done a open source community development team and it wouldn't have been better.
X wing 2.0 was my first miniature game. I loved it, especially Fangs.
i'd say go bigger than double down.. Expand the game yourself. scour wookipedia for ships that never made it to tabletop and home brew em in. get stl files for minis, make your own dials and playtest em. the game can be community led now.
With any luck the players will keep it alive, as they have with other games, with rules support and 3d-printed ships from dedicated player groups and conventions.
Good luck true blue Star Wars fans.
Oh if we can get some nice proxies made up, that’ll be awesome.
@@ArthurBugorski It'll happen if it hasn't already. Check cults and see what you can see.
Not that anyone has asked, but there are free 3D printing files out there, for every ship that was officially released for any version of the game, in the appropriate scale. Many of them also have existing pegs, or are ready for pegs. You just need to look.
I still play 1.0 with my friends and mainly I'm collecting the Miniatures from the Clone Wars era to play other games with. Starship combat games enroll systems are out there that you can use the ships with.
The problem with X-Wing is that all the iconic film ships had been released, and everyone had everything they wanted. FFG and then AMG were stuck with obscure EU ships and a trickle of new content ships.
some of those obscure ships are ace. they should have leant into that.
@fritz a very simple way that they could have expanded the game using the same Miniatures was to make a ground base epic Star Wars Legion game where you would have had mass armies going against each other, just using the X-Wing game system. Tell me that wouldn't have sold a million copies?
Mechwarrior Dark Age and Mechwarrior Age of Destruction players be like "First Time?"
They saw 'the acolyte' and were like: 'that's it folks. Star wars is done' and dropped the license
They're still making Shatterpoint so no. Also, The Acolyte is fine
@@jeremoople No it's not lol.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS opinion detected
@@jeremoople Right, and I told you it, just like you told him yours. Feel free to enter the adult world of conversation at some point.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS Well, there’s really nothing more to this conversation is there?
So is it worth keeping all the stuff I bought early on? Any good way to resell it for a reasonable price?
Can't say if 2.0 was a mistake business wise but i kniw it was fir our community. We went from 30+ players every tues night and a once a month tournament to maybe four guys playing. I havent even seen those guys playing this year.
When ASMODEE bought out FFG it was only a matter of time. They kill game studios
Guess well never have Director Krennics ship made now
sad day
was a great run
I wonder what Barnes & Noble will fill the shelf space with. i.e. what’s the next mainstream war game?
Battle tech
@@GaddisGamingone can hope
It's a shame that FFG got greedy and brought out the 2.0 sets. That was the beginning of the end, splitting the fanbase is never a good idea...
Theres a couple digital tools to play the game online with people, with a few pretty good communities.
It wasn’t about greed. It was the case of “why are no iconic ships on the table anymore” and they needed a way to rebalance the lot.
I humbly disagree, OP. 1.0 had become increasingly unbalanced, and bloated. It still worked, but a revision was needed. I think I actually prefer the 2.0 rules. That said, I just want my three no-name K-wings to be able to pack a bunch of Cluster Mines, drop them in front of my opponent, before he moves, then Slam behind them, in one turn, again… *sigh* Good times… 😂
I bought everything for the original version of the game and numerous multiples. When v2 came out, I stopped buying and just gamed with what I had.
How many times has Battletech been declared "Dead"?
What about Old Hammer?
No game is dead if the players are there.
Most likely, it was time to re-new the Star Wars franchise fee, and they wanted too much. Everyone can see that Disney is killing the Star Wars franchise.
Galactic Disagreements: Battles of the High Republic...in stores for December...lol..
Armada casual here. FFG could have made tons more money. This is what happens when they mismanage and listen to a board. Oh well, I just need to buy 4 more ships and I'll be happy with my collection.
The death knell started when FFG sold to Asmodee a few years ago
Don't get any game based on a property that didn't start as a gaming property. It's pointless and a waste of time and always ends the same way. Meanwhile Battletech and Warhammer are 35+ years old.
It’s cause AMG is terrible lol. No other company makes a game to directly compete with another game they have that’s already proven as marketable (looking at you legion)