None of those should've ever left fantasyflightgames to begin with, they had something good going 'n everything project they shifted over is either dead or currently about to die, that includes star wars legion as well. The lack of content and commitment is horrible 'n instead of producing some interesting things they now plan to run new reprints of units nearly all established players won't need any more copies of. This was one huge "how to kill popular brands with one decision" idiot move they pulled back then.
I certainly hope Legion isnt going anywhere! But I personally have high hopes because of all the announcements gerading new models. Why do you think Legion will die?
@@thewynnest It's not just thinking, it's already dead and buried in plenty of regions and more 'n more shrinking or dissapearing from shelves in stores (online and local). Considering the rather long interval between releases 'n that after the clone commandos it's gonna be reprints 'n redesigns for a good while... To me it feels like they're bothered by having to continue this 'n just drag it along till it stops breathing.. How little creative can ya be to decide "Eh.. making up new stuff is such a drag, let's just throw clones 'n stormtroopers at them again, they always buy those". Not to mention that inflation in many places has gone up quite a lot recently 'n the legion minis have never been on the cheap side (especially commander expansions) - especially after the asmodee swap... Forcing ppl to get the building instructions from their website instead of printing them was also quite the crap move, I know some love building these next to a pc but it shouldn't be a requirement to unbox physical minis 'n then keep staring between desk 'n laptop to glue together sometimes ridiculy small parts (B2s!)
I do not think it likely that Legion goes away any time soon. They have several teased products in the pipeline still. It is also the one FFG game they inherited that they have actually developed new content for and don't shy away from including in their events. Armada got maybe 1 or 2 painting streams in 4 years. Legion appears far more frequently.
There was no fantasy flight to remain on: Look at how much personnel churned, and how the development changed. Mergers never leave companies unchanged, and this one was especially brutal
Adepticon's announcement that they plan on hosting X-wing and Armada tournaments is probably the most important thing to come out since AMG's announcement. Whomever they let run those events in 2026 will stand to have a lot of leadership and clout in the respective communities.
Great video and sums it all up really. Don't know if we'll ever really know what happened, but I image there is an element of some truth in all the speculations. X-Wing v1 will always hold a special place in my heart.
I got into X-Wing at the end of 1.0, and happily upgraded to 2.0. (It only took 2 upgrade packs to cover 90% of my collection, so it was not a big deal for me.) I've loved this game, and I'm sorry to see it die. Hopefully the fans can save the game. Warm regards, Rick.
@@thewynnest Hi The Wyn Nest, I decided to buy only Empire and Rebel ships, so that I could play with my friends without anyone else having to buy anything. I also picked up a big "Plano Guide Series" fishing box / case (4 levels high with a big box at top and an area for lures which was perfect for all the cardboard counters). I decided that my whole collection of X-Wing would fit in this, and when it was full, I was done. I didn't keep to that promise (I picked up a few large ships that didn't fit in the little compartments), but other than that, it all fits in my case. You will need to buy one starter set. The early ones only had 3 ships (two Empire Tie Fighters and an X-Wing) but if you are planning to buy only Rebel, the Atomic Mass Games Starter set gives a nice variety of Rebel ships. They are more expensive tho. The starter sets give you dice, maneuver templates, rules, many counters, etc. etc. Be sure to pick up one of the starter sets that support the 2.0 or 2.5 rules. Those rule sets are a significantly better game than the 1.0 rules. Hopefully, people will produce 3D files so we can print our own ships. It will otherwise be very expensive to buy on the secondary market. (But someone might decide to sell their collection, and you could pick up a $1,000 collection for $300 bucks or something.) Good luck! Warm regards, Rick.
@@RicksPoker Thank you so much Rick! I already pickup up the 2.0 Starter set for this video and actually managed to get some awesome other products to get me started. Me and a buddy (yes, the one from the video) will play our first 'core set game' this week!
The debt that asmodee was handed is crushing, and has changed their operations quite a bit: They were already a penny pinching company after embracer came in, but the split has made it far worse. They know they are basically dead when the loan comes due, and that the best that can happen to a smaller businesses unit is to be sold to a competitor: But those competitors aren't rich, and they know the price will lower as they wait. I would not be surprised if xwing and armada returned from the dead in the next year or two after being sold to a healthier organization
Love your fleet! I feel like there will always be a tight group of people who love Armada. I a never going to stop. I had kids just so I can force them to play with me.
I want to find out what ‘structure’ was ‘supposed’ to be…find out and you might be on a ‘trail’ of possible ‘reasons’…ie;structure is atm hidden away like the secret mulan shezwan sauce & the ark of the covenant from ‘Raiders’… it might just be a trail, but answer that question and you’ll find out a whole lot more…peace.
Thank you! 🙏 Armada is quite hard to get at the moment. But if seen some starter sets out there! I’d say it’s worth it. Haven’t played it but looks very solid.
Dude , I barely leave any comments , but I love your kind of podcast type of content. I also understand how much effort u put into it . Thank you very much .
@@thewynnest haha same! It’s funny how once these things disappear it gets me interested in them! I’m tempted by the X-Wing starter box.. it’s just a shame the other ships are so expensive!
Just stumbled upon your video, I really like your attitude towards capitalism so I guess I'll watch on a regular basis now 😂 just found a rebel Squadron Pack for 140€ bucks on eBay today, I mean it's the only thing I'm missing in my Armada collection (don't ask why I didn't get it earlier, life happened 😅) and now I might never be able to complete it. I hope the community will 3D print the fuck out of this game 🎉 sorry for my micro rant, take care ✌️😄
None of those should've ever left fantasyflightgames to begin with, they had something good going 'n everything project they shifted over is either dead or currently about to die, that includes star wars legion as well. The lack of content and commitment is horrible 'n instead of producing some interesting things they now plan to run new reprints of units nearly all established players won't need any more copies of. This was one huge "how to kill popular brands with one decision" idiot move they pulled back then.
FFG's website content was so much better than AMG as well. I really hope they don't hurt Legion.
I certainly hope Legion isnt going anywhere! But I personally have high hopes because of all the announcements gerading new models. Why do you think Legion will die?
@@thewynnest It's not just thinking, it's already dead and buried in plenty of regions and more 'n more shrinking or dissapearing from shelves in stores (online and local). Considering the rather long interval between releases 'n that after the clone commandos it's gonna be reprints 'n redesigns for a good while... To me it feels like they're bothered by having to continue this 'n just drag it along till it stops breathing.. How little creative can ya be to decide "Eh.. making up new stuff is such a drag, let's just throw clones 'n stormtroopers at them again, they always buy those". Not to mention that inflation in many places has gone up quite a lot recently 'n the legion minis have never been on the cheap side (especially commander expansions) - especially after the asmodee swap... Forcing ppl to get the building instructions from their website instead of printing them was also quite the crap move, I know some love building these next to a pc but it shouldn't be a requirement to unbox physical minis 'n then keep staring between desk 'n laptop to glue together sometimes ridiculy small parts (B2s!)
I do not think it likely that Legion goes away any time soon. They have several teased products in the pipeline still. It is also the one FFG game they inherited that they have actually developed new content for and don't shy away from including in their events. Armada got maybe 1 or 2 painting streams in 4 years. Legion appears far more frequently.
There was no fantasy flight to remain on: Look at how much personnel churned, and how the development changed. Mergers never leave companies unchanged, and this one was especially brutal
Scalpers are the worst, suddenly people with 20 NiB ships show up and sell stuff at 3-4 times the MSRP and FOMO folks jump on them.
Adepticon's announcement that they plan on hosting X-wing and Armada tournaments is probably the most important thing to come out since AMG's announcement. Whomever they let run those events in 2026 will stand to have a lot of leadership and clout in the respective communities.
Think I missed that! So much news coming out. But this is great news. Who do you expect to run this? Probably from within the community right?
@@thewynnest That would be my guess. My hope would be that the guys at Ion Radio would be involved in some way.
Great video and sums it all up really. Don't know if we'll ever really know what happened, but I image there is an element of some truth in all the speculations. X-Wing v1 will always hold a special place in my heart.
I am now waiting on what version to 'get into' now that the community is taking over. Very excited to see whats next! Maybe you'll get into it again?
@@thewynnest It's in storage all ready to play with my boy when he's old enough.
I got into X-Wing at the end of 1.0, and happily upgraded to 2.0. (It only took 2 upgrade packs to cover 90% of my collection, so it was not a big deal for me.) I've loved this game, and I'm sorry to see it die. Hopefully the fans can save the game.
Warm regards, Rick.
Hi Rick! Any tips on a new Rebel collector/player 😅? In the progress of making this video I got quite intrigued by the game!
@@thewynnest
Hi The Wyn Nest,
I decided to buy only Empire and Rebel ships, so that I could play with my friends without anyone else having to buy anything.
I also picked up a big "Plano Guide Series" fishing box / case (4 levels high with a big box at top and an area for lures which was perfect for all the cardboard counters). I decided that my whole collection of X-Wing would fit in this, and when it was full, I was done. I didn't keep to that promise (I picked up a few large ships that didn't fit in the little compartments), but other than that, it all fits in my case.
You will need to buy one starter set. The early ones only had 3 ships (two Empire Tie Fighters and an X-Wing) but if you are planning to buy only Rebel, the Atomic Mass Games Starter set gives a nice variety of Rebel ships. They are more expensive tho. The starter sets give you dice, maneuver templates, rules, many counters, etc. etc. Be sure to pick up one of the starter sets that support the 2.0 or 2.5 rules. Those rule sets are a significantly better game than the 1.0 rules.
Hopefully, people will produce 3D files so we can print our own ships. It will otherwise be very expensive to buy on the secondary market. (But someone might decide to sell their collection, and you could pick up a $1,000 collection for $300 bucks or something.)
Good luck!
Warm regards, Rick.
@@RicksPoker Thank you so much Rick! I already pickup up the 2.0 Starter set for this video and actually managed to get some awesome other products to get me started. Me and a buddy (yes, the one from the video) will play our first 'core set game' this week!
The debt that asmodee was handed is crushing, and has changed their operations quite a bit: They were already a penny pinching company after embracer came in, but the split has made it far worse.
They know they are basically dead when the loan comes due, and that the best that can happen to a smaller businesses unit is to be sold to a competitor: But those competitors aren't rich, and they know the price will lower as they wait.
I would not be surprised if xwing and armada returned from the dead in the next year or two after being sold to a healthier organization
That’s also an option I guess; the games being picked up by another company. Any guesses to what company this could be?
@@thewynnestHasbro. They have experience with the IP
Love the use of a slider for shots. Hope it doesn't take too long to do.
I never used a slider! But I’m trying to mimic it haha 😅. Thanks for noticing.
Goodlooking guy that Rick 😂
Thanks for the awesome video and the chance to talk about my favourite miniature wargame.
Hahaha boss. Pretty amazing collection you have there, didn’t expect that.
Love your fleet! I feel like there will always be a tight group of people who love Armada. I a never going to stop. I had kids just so I can force them to play with me.
I want to find out what ‘structure’ was ‘supposed’ to be…find out and you might be on a ‘trail’ of possible ‘reasons’…ie;structure is atm hidden away like the secret mulan shezwan sauce & the ark of the covenant from ‘Raiders’… it might just be a trail, but answer that question and you’ll find out a whole lot more…peace.
Awsome vid man loved it. I was just about to get into Armada but not so sure anymore
Thank you! 🙏 Armada is quite hard to get at the moment. But if seen some starter sets out there! I’d say it’s worth it. Haven’t played it but looks very solid.
@thewynnest might check out some stls files have a 3d printer :)
Dude , I barely leave any comments , but I love your kind of podcast type of content. I also understand how much effort u put into it . Thank you very much .
Well thank you sir! Thanks for noticing, and I’m here to stay, so look out for more 🤘
Hell yeah, solid video about a mini game I never got into.. dont really like starwars but this was super cool to understand
Thank you my dude! Hope it was helpful 🙏
Great content! Subscribed!
Thank you for the sub! I actually got pretty interested in X-Wing while making this video. So I think there will be some x-wing content in the future.
@@thewynnest haha same! It’s funny how once these things disappear it gets me interested in them! I’m tempted by the X-Wing starter box.. it’s just a shame the other ships are so expensive!
You want to "fight the power"....by covering the games and encouraging people buying the games of....the power.
Interesting take :D
No more than a (failed) attempt at sarcasm 🤷♂️
I was actually planning to wear a Nike shirt and then close the video off bashing capitalism.
@@thewynnest Heh. Yeah, current public discourse trends just killed irony and took sarcasm behind the barn. I miss the 90s :D
Probably dead, but definitely on life support.
But can’t wait for what the community comes up with!
Just stumbled upon your video, I really like your attitude towards capitalism so I guess I'll watch on a regular basis now 😂 just found a rebel Squadron Pack for 140€ bucks on eBay today, I mean it's the only thing I'm missing in my Armada collection (don't ask why I didn't get it earlier, life happened 😅) and now I might never be able to complete it. I hope the community will 3D print the fuck out of this game 🎉 sorry for my micro rant, take care ✌️😄
so glad i bought my SSD before they dropped support
That’s a pretty good catch! I don’t play armada but u heard my buddy Rick talk about it a lot.
if it wasn't for capitalism, sweetheart, you wouldn't have this platform. so, know your place and respect the hands that feed you.
And if it wasn’t for sarcasm, sweetheart, this video might be way too serious ❤️
@@thewynnest 😘
Bruh 😂😂😂😂😂 been awhile since I’ve seen a toxic incel. Hope that attitude help you in the future 🤣🤣🤣
You're only suppose to lick the boot not swallow it.
@@jamesvari good one! I'm gonna save that one for my next D&D game.