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All Mortys become evil. Because of Rick's. Rick's then go to a different universe where there is a morty Who is not evil yet. Much like adults ruin every child . Once they become adults and lose their authentic love. We lose the our connection to them and their inocence. And move on to pay attention to another child who is not spoiled by the toxic and cynical ways of life
Sounds suspiciously similar to the "cycle" of _"The Hero's Journey"_ Trope: Season 1: "Call to Adventure" -> (Threshold) Season 2: "Challenges" + (Temptations) -> "REVELATION" [S2E10] Season 3: "Death & Rebirth" [S03E01] -> Transformation Season 4: "Atonement" -> (Return)
Well there's no way to predict how it will develop in the future. What I think though is that they spend too much time addressing what the "fans" want or whatever. The fact that they address it in a fourth wall break every second episode doesn't exactly scream "we keep doing our own thing without distractions".
Just a quick one; the failure of season 8 of GoT (or realistically seasons 6-8) was not due to a 'fandom trap.' It was due to 1) crap writing 2) showrunner narcissism that assumed that fans would just swallow crap writing.
While I get why they're doing what they're doing, I still hope we're gonna get at least one episode per season that pushes the greater story forward, be it Evil Morty or something else.
Honestly I believe that if nothing happens this season it will happen next season. First time we encountered Evil Morty was in season 1, the next time was in season 3. While I'm only going off of two data points I feel like this might become a pattern. Where they do something every other season.
@@The_Dragon_Tiamat That's true, but in s2 we got Bird Person's wedding and Rick's imprisonment, so every season there's something bigger happening during at least one episode. I hope that continues.
Král Václav I. im sure it will. its to good of a show to just stagnate on tropes just to turn a certain demographic of fans off completely from liking it.
For some reason, Rick saying "Sometimes we won't even do anything" really stuck out to me. I just get a feeling that there will be an episode where it's just going to be Rick and Morty talking on the couch or something
Probably not. Taken straight, the series already has multiple examples of that, primarily the Interdemensional Cable Episodes in which the Characters of Rick and Morty generally don't do much other then watch TV. Considering the Nature of their lives at large, I'd argue that the same could be said about any episode that isn't focused on a Rick Adventure.
It's a reference to the year and a half long gaps between seasons and episodes isn't it? I mean the wait for season 4 was a pretty clear example of Rick and Morty literally doing nothing. And now another long wait for the back half of season 4. I've always suspected the delays are because Harmon and Roiland have major creative differences. To blame the fans for any of this is a total copout. It was the fans that they bitch about who made Rick and Morty popular. We get a twenty minute cartoon, they get millions of dollars and an extravagant lifestyle. How exactly are we the spoiled ones again???
Honestly, I really wouldn`t be surprised at this point if they did an episode that is just rick and morty sitting on the couch, not whatching enything, not saying anything and the writers trying to see HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY MAKE THIS INTERESTING and it would end up being amazing. Imagine how far could they take the awkward silence before it`s soul crushing and tragic instead of funny. Maybe summer could be on the other couch on her phone the whole episode
I took it more as support for the Rick/Morty duality theory. Morty is getting smarter and more in control, whereas Rick seems to be distraught in his loss of control.
Interesting way of looking at it. Now go do anything a man can do. Join the women writing staff and write an entertaining episode of Rick and Morty cuz they all are and that's the point. Fuck you! Tiny Rick yeah!!
Morty is a young Rick and Rick knows it which does annoy Rick but he understands without all these adventures and mishaps Morty will never get to that level or understand the world from a scientific view just writing this just made me realise why a Mortys brain waves block out Rick's they are the same but just inverted canceling each other out until morty thinks like Rick or Rick's brain waves are getting weaker while Mortys gets stronger therefore make Mortys mind a cloaking device as he's a teenager and his thoughts are all over the place and often confused or conflicted internally
I think the line "your boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you cheer" are for those people who praise the show before and are now going to find a way to say it's not that good anymore
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't consciously flip off their audience by saying "we don't care about your boos because what entertained you was garbage: our previous seasons." Once you have an idea of meta commentary, or anything else, deduce how likely it is to be true. Because that was dumb as shit
Something you didn't cover was the growing bond between Rick and Jerry. Rick is giving Jerry more chances as Jerry shows more independence and a willingness to try to be a better man without begging for help. Is this a sign that Rick can be a better person? Or that Jerry is going to completely usurp Rick in the future?
Interesting to note is that in the Rick and Morty comics a Jerry fucks up the Citadel of Ricks I can't remember the specifics, but iirc he becomes a dictator figure or something. (Interesting note, that specific issue also refers to the Rick we follow as C-137, so it might be an adventure not followed in the show, or it might be that there are multiple "central finite curves," or that the comics might not be canon, etc. It's too much to _really_ worry about, though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
I don’t think there is a growing bond between him and Jerry. He only tolerates him because he is his daughters husband. Jerry is trying to become more assertive and independent but he still is kind of a dufus.
I like the new direction S4 is taking with the characters, especially Rick, Morty, and Jerry. I enjoy that Morty and Jerry are becoming more assertive and independent, even if the former is becoming a bit of a jerk. Edit: Thanks for how many likes and respectful responses this got. I only posted it because I like the show and I want to hear valid discussions about it. And for those of you who just bash the creators directions and their new female writers, you do realize if you keep it up, you can literally cause a show to go under. What makes this show so great is the passion and enthusiasm they put into it. If you’re just going to project your prejudices onto the show and its writers, you’re going to make everyone hate it.
This is the shity season by far all three other seasons are good this one not so much they're change something I can't quite put my f****** I think it's the spontaneity I think it's the it's more scripted now I don't like it where is last time it was just kind of they were winging it and you can tell this time no they have corporate in there now and it's obvious with the Arby's ad you got to be f****** kidding me
I love this show because of how actively the creators denounce their more toxic Reddit-ass fans. I can’t wait for the Evil Morty thing to be resolved because he’s suddenly eaten by a giant space snake in an after credit scene. Then for him to be back seasons later because obviously there’s another version of an Evil Morty that didn’t get eaten by a giant snake.
Claudia every character in the show is a shitty person. Rick just stands out bc he’s smarter than everyone else so he’s “allowed” to show his shittiness more
@@FuryClouds This take is so empty. The cringe post on reddit about "having a high iq to understand this show" was admitted by the guy to be a shitpost. Everyone gobbled it up, and now you have hot takes like yours. Rick was never nice, from the first episode, he literally made his grandson smuggle a seed up his butt. Honestly, takes like these are more cringe than any reddit post.
@@therandom58 No Morty, Beth, Jerry and Summer aren't shitty people because they try to be good and do the right thing. They fail because they're human but at the end of the day they try to be better whereas Rick doesn't.
Abandoned Hope them trying to be better is a rather new thing btw. For most of the series they’ve been content with being shitty people. And Morty has gotten worse if u ask me. Also striving to be better doesn’t make u a good person it just means ur a shitty person striving to be better
So, Rick is a bad person, who's secretly a good person, but he's way too toxic to realize how toxic he actually is. Except he totally does, and that leaves him constantly depressed and hating himself, a cicle he can't break out of because of how that depression and toxicity makes him perceive everything. Just like he's always been. Got it.
well when you try to define something so circumstantial like ricks choices (or the choices of anyone with zero necessary connections to things) in absolutes like personality traits yeah things get a bit complicated.
Thank you for pointing out (again) how fan favorite Rick is actually not only a bad role model, but an actual villain that ends up incredibly lonely and sad. The heist episode is actually really depressing, about a care taker destroying his kid's dreams for his own selfish reasons. It's child abuse over and over again. It's nice to see how Summer has gotten to a point where she has stopped caring about her grandpa's approval, not waning to go to boobland with him and calling him out if he is being an ass. While the producers are still showing Rick as a miserable character, it's increasingly harder to have empathy for him. If you are a shitty human because you lack the capacity to make things better that's one thing. But if you are a God like creature, having the knowledge and power to solve basically every problem of the universe... What a coward at best and villain at worst do you have to be then to reject that responsibility and to use that knowledge "to have fun" instead. Rick is repulsed by the cat's actions but refuses to see his own most of the time. Which also makes him a hypocrite.
@@harrisont2004 Doesn't that already happen often? Like when he shot rick in the head during a hostage situation with summer. The gun turned out to be rigged but he woulda killed him otherwise!! oof.
11:52 - The eruption of fans against the final season of Game of Thrones was not at all about fan expectations being set too high. Everyone other than the show's creators was on board to keep the show going much longer (including George RR Martin). In fact, the effort to subvert fan expectations has affected the show (and most fans would prefer a well-written idea they figured out the end of through literary analysis than a show that did manage to surprise them in a negative way). But sure, let's blame the fans of a created thing for why they no longer like said created thing instead of the people who actually dropped the proverbial ball.
I don't think game of thrones bombed just because of fan theories and expectations, or at least it aint the fault of the fans. They set up plot points and dedicated time to things that they didn't finish.
The over cynical fan aspect... God, in the last two months I realized how the internet is. Like all the fandom stuff, but for me how cynical it is. *Nothing* is 'good' anymore. It is either trash, average or a masterpiece. Not everyone is like this, but the majority keeps flocking to the 'best and perfect' shows. I've been actively watching theories, games and youtube since 2011. I grew up with it as I am 19 now. And it made my mind cynical. I judge all the content I watch and find little mistakes everywhere. Stories with plotholes and inconsistencies and editing mistakes etc etc. It sucks. I just want to enjoy my shows. So my advice: try to just enjoy what other people created with (hopefully) effort and their heart and soul. Not everything has to be thought provoking or perfect. Sometimes it just 'is'. 14:16 *everything* has to be clarified these days, which is also a trend I hate. If you're doing something you have to make it *abundantly* clear what you mean and what you're not saying. Sometimes even when you *do* make it clear people just skip over it, forget it or ignore what you said and keep going to the comments anyway.
Loretta...if you want people to care what you think, don't point out that you are 19. I know you probably don't feel that way yourself, but to most older people (and I don't mean significantly older) that just says "Go ahead and disregard anything I have to say, I'm 19 and I'm posting on YT, nothing I have to say at this point in time should be heard by anyone"
@@mightyone777 It would depend on how the phrasing is meant. People certainly grow wiser with age. Which can often times mean that a older persons opinion is more valueable because it is based on more experience. You could be a super intelligent 12 year old. Pretty much anything said 12 year old has to say about society in general can be disregarded, the 12 year old has no meaningful experience with societies to be making judgement calls, no matter how intelligent they are.
Monoochrom no its not called wisdom with age, its called experience. i could be such experienced at 12 yr old cz i have read about the experiences older people encounter with, so I dont really agree with you. intelligence is not really associated with experience to my opinion
@@vibewithme2089 I didn't know this conversation was happening. I had my notificationa turned off, haha. I mostly said my age to clearify how long I've been on youtube. It just made sense in my head. Some people are better with words than others. People with less intelligence can still bring interesting facts or ideas to the table. Age doesn't matter much. Experience is important in life, any experience. Mental, emotional or physical. I might be experienced in one thing, like living for a long time and what comes with it, but I do have other experiences I can base my ideas and thoughts on. Older doesn't always mean wiser, but in a discussion like this a lot of other things are important. Culture, experience, morals, ideas and ideals. Btw if people want to disregard my comment because of my age, that's their problem. I just wanted to rant a bit and if anyone agreed/disagreed or wanted to add to my comment then I'm fine with it.
@Reggie Cyde why? The show has done that for all of its other characters since episode 1, why should Rick be excluded? Hell, Rick himself has had plenty of humanizing moments throughout the show, so it's kinda arbitrary to take issue now.
I don’t like Rick because he’s the smartest. I like Rick because he’s depressed, and I want to see him heal. I want to live in a universe where damaged people can heal.
What do you mean? Season 6-8 gave us every single fan service moment we could ask for.. and a whole lot we didn’t lol isn’t that how you write a super awesome show, add some epic dragons and plot armor and you got genius 💆♂️
I'm glad that they have slowed down this season, the destruction and rebuilding of the citadel, rick's imprisonment, Beth and Jerry's Divorce all could have been big long stories, not crammed into a single season. I hope they keep this pace
I like how Dan Harmon's mentality is that they don't owe anything to the fans. It's true, they don't but neither do the fans owe them their attention or a positive response to whatever they are doing. How about instead of constantly referencing how much they won't bend over for the viewer they just don't do it? As for "re-centering" the characters: I guess I must have misinterpreted what the show was going for but if it is indeed being like the Simpsons or Family Guy or any other long running sitcom then I don't see why I shouldn't just watch any of those instead.
I like that little and question there: the why not watch other shows. Well firstly the characters and the situations they find themselves in partnered with the improvisational nature of the witty dialogue. Rick and Morty may have a similar structure to a lot of other animated sitcoms, but offers different character dynamics world views and characters.
WTF why does every one see rick erasing Jerrys memory as a good act , he is priving jerry of important growth we can see resolution in jerrys actitud and eyes when he sais "some one has to remember" Rick is not helping him at all by erasing hes memory , he is just keeping jerry helpless and not letting him mature and become stronger
@@DeathnoteBB I think it's a general consensus that it flopped because the writers saw everyone could predict the endings (which tbh isn't that bad it means your writing is following a good flow and is clear enough that arcs can be understood and followed to a logical conclusion) so they tried to throw a bunch of "subversions" into it which made it just kinda unsatisfying in all.
Tiktai But again, that’s not the fandom’s fault. Predicting how a story ends is half the fun of stories. Everyone does that. Fandom has a lot of toxicity but something that everyone has done since stories were invented? That’s not it.
@@DeathnoteBB No no, I didn't say it was the fandom's fault for that. It's the writers fault for feeling that they need to subvert the fandom's expectations
I also love how they cat, as much as he tells jerry not to question him, essentially begs to other people to questions him. Which leads to him getting kicked out. Almost as if to say as much as this show says it’s for fun, where would it be without them. The cat always rang to me as a kid who wanted attention but wanted to do it posing as if it wasn’t what he wanted. Playing cool. But when he finally finds other kids who don’t give a shit about his “quirk” he finds that he’s just a regular loser who can only impress other losers through the quirkiness.
I dont understand how a fanbase can ruin a show. The creators should be happy we are having so much fun with something they created, but it should not bind them into doing whatever the fans imaginations come up with. They should just keep up doing what they were doing as obviously that is what was successful.
@@cjg8763 well due to thr fandoms little stunt when mcdonalds started releasing the sause again and the whole "only smart people watch rick&morty" its kinda pushed some people away from the show which would stunt it growth not improve
@@kinroga LOL the whole "smart person" thing is a copypasta joke. Secondly, anybody abandoning a show they enjoy watching just because some lunatics saw the sauce joke and then went crazy at McDonalds, as if it were the show's fault, are just dumb. The show never solicited such behavior, that's on the people who did it. It was just another joke in a show full of jokes.
@@cjg8763 the fandom is one of the most toxic on the internet which is saying something. And the creators have told off those fans for yrs now esp since they have also been harassing the creators about shit. I bet they regret creating pickle rick. This and the McDonald's bs over a sauce that is terrible (thats the joke. Rick and the agent has terrible taste) have made most people hate the show and creators preventing more people from liking the show. They are lucky a large amount of people already liked the show before this shit or it would have been canceled. No show with a small but crazed fan base gets renewed. Now if it becomes like the simpsons it'll be terrible in a few yrs.
I'm seeing the balance of a healthier family dynamic. I've also noticed Rick isnt hammered almost at all anymore. Instead he has a weird bender with the dragon and then goes back to his normal life with his family. The family is accepting each other for who they are and not allowing false expectations of anyone get in the way of it. Rick is the one struggling the most bc of it but he's still healthier
What I don't understand is why these people are saying "oh he's very smart and sometimes does good things but he's not a good guy or a hero you should be emulating" when the series has never portrayed as a hero...? Literally the first episode intro, neutrino bomb? It feels like she was reading a script but never having watched the show, and the people who wrote it not having watched it either just read a summary or something
@@JMarchel From what I gather she thinks the show is somehow "tearing Rick down", and throughout she implies that it somehow glorified him as a hero when the show never did that and isn't tearing him down any more now than before, that's why we said it seems like she was reading a script without having watched the show. If you don't see that you didn't read either comment very well.
@@TheKapowz continually they have tried to be more clear about how Rick wasn't a hero. It wasn't clear enough for a lot of fans in s1 and s2, so it got more blatant in s3 with characters literally dressing down Rick to the audience. But the biggest one pickle Rick still seemed like a crowning moment of awesome to fans. So they're even more blatantly showing how Rick isn't great this season. No one is saying he was great in s1, just a lot of fucking people didn't get it. Also this show is created by two people and their videos are very well researched. I think you're reading something into this that isn't there.
I don't think it's sad he put so much effort into finding out, who used his toilet, actually, it's typical for him. Same as he is always the villain kind of, that people still like. And also, he will do anything to keep Morty. It's not different at all. He loves Morty, he is also putting him through bad things and he is obsessive. I really don't see the difference.
I feel like this season is gonna be a filler season. Where they're all gonna be a bunch of nonsense episode that aren't connected. All the episodes they always wanted to make and doesn't do anything for the whole plot.
this season sucks. rick's toxicity is nothing new. it has always been on full-display on the screen. pretending this season gives something new on this respect does not change the fact that the show is running out of ideas. BOOOOOOOORING.
This is one of the best analysis I’ve seen. Tbh before this analysis I just thought that Rick and Morty just lost it’s creativity and that this show will turn to bad cartoon sitcom. But now I just think that the writer’s are brilliant again and I’m excited for the second half of Rick and Morty. Just thanks!
What a shit take. Rick has always thought of himself first. To ruin your point, in the first episode he literally made his kid smuggle a big seed up his butt, and when it didn't work out, told him he had to do it again. 0/10
Lots of this flew over my head. Rick as a character has been consistently an asshole and kinda sad, while being super smart. I thought that was kinda the point of the the character. Power isn't happiness, intelligence is suffering, etc etc. Won't deny I love some theorycrafting about Evil Morty though, always fun. That being said, I did not know that much about Rick being some kinda symbol for asshole groups and toxic people. Not shocking, but I guess I am kinda surprised that it has gotten so bad that the creators needed to make it such a point.
Highly dependent on what you consider Toxic. Personally, I think the kind of person that thinks someone like Rick could reform far more toxic and naive then someone who simply takes the character at face value.
It's the same kind of people that worship characters like Walter White or Tyler Durden. People who A: Completely missed the point what the narrator was going for (Walt estranging and destryoing the lives of everyone he once knew and loved for the sake of his ego, Tyler being a very obvious metaphor for toxic, sexist male-dominant pseudo intellectualism) and B: Are just giant hypocrites.
@@Donnerbalken28 I don't know about Tyler, I've never seen Fight Club. But Breaking Bad ultimately doesn't do a good Job of making it about Walt's ego. The show simply does too much to force his Hand. If it's about his Ego he should be consistently choosing to cook Meth. However, he only really does that without outside forces making it happen at 2 points. 1 in the beginning. 2 near the end. Everything else was because he and his family were being threatened.
All good points. I also want R&M to be this generation's Simpsons. With the keen insight you offer here, I have confidence they can do this long distance run, perhaps more successfully than the Simpsons even did.
GoT s8 was horrible, it's incomparable. When Rick & Morty leave storylines unfinished it's mostly by design. GoT wasn't supposed to drop the ball like that. Game of Thrones deserved to die, and I hope it BURNS IN HELL!!
I was a little annoyed at the meta content and self-contained episodes, but I really like how the devotion to disjointed stories gives us such unique moments and storylines. Also adds to rick's degrading character and morty's growth.
Rick is showing morty how to be a genius which involves killing dreams and expectations as learning to not harbour these thoughts or feelings as facts makes it easier to navigate life and logic ,ureka moments as a scientist maybe random and not what you expect as the same as life.... Rick morty does meta commentary and 4th wall breaks so much most people can't tell if a spade is a spade or a giant stylish spoon altogether trying to always defy expectations, rick very human because any normal person would act just like him with such power of knowledge and expertise... Anything else is left to the imagination and imaginations run wild, we still got phoenix person, fart and evil morty to flush out in a way they are giving the fandom what they want but just not in the expected way just like the show always has... Its not rocket science lol
I was with you till the got fandom broke the show, and that’s not true. Why is it that fans are getting blamed for ruining shows, when it’s clearly the writing, directing, and predicting that failed the show. Got, Star Wars, Charles’s angles. Them blame the fans for it when really it was just bad writing.
"Rick and Morty season 4 makes a point of tearing down the myth of Rick." ... Wasn't that the point of season 3? I'm pretty sure season 4 is meant to be post-tearing down.
Kind of? Season 3 started it and Season 4 is really exploring the effects and more of Rick’s psychology within the dynamic. Besides, in this season, Rick is at the bottom of the totem pole.
@@kaitlnwhite6809 I mean that's fair but season three was all about showing how destructive Rick is and how he is actually kinda evil. In the end, the family tears him down by putting him beneath *Jerry*. This season, I think, is less about tearing him down because he's kinda already been torn down. We're now seeing a Rick that is no longer looked at through a god-like lense. The family already is disillusioned with him and he has to deal with that. Sorta like there's movies about the collapse of society and movies about what's after society collapsed.
@@ObaREX I think The Take is mostly talking about how, when you look at Rick and Morty through just a textual analysis, Rick is seen as essentially the "smart guy who is in pain because he's smart." Which is a trope you see pretty often. And even in S3 this was the case. I mean there's even the line about "what's worse is you're smart" line from Rick to Beth. This presentation of Rick is why 20-something dudes who think they're smarter than everyone else love him. S4 is 100% trying to skirt that notion by showing him as actually the piece of shit that he is.
Edward Gil Let me start off by saying I love how you put Jerry in asterisks as if the notion was painful to type out and that you were actually chill and explained your opinion. Thanks for both of those. I think what I meant to say was, and you elaborated on this in your explanation, in S3 we saw how Rick lost his standing in the family and how they became just as disillusioned as Morty and Jerry were. We saw how his power waned, and now we’re seeing the aftermath of his loss of power. I think one of the reasons he seems so much worse in this season, in particular, is because he has to use more underhanded tactics to do whatever he wants.
Love this. Rick is bs, and glad to see that the show recognizes this even if some fans don't. The opposite happens with Jerry. Jerry is the biggest scapegoat of this show.
Tyank you for this. I get bothered when peole say this season isn't good. The character development is beyond great. Rick being dismantled helps us understand his pain.
It'll be 10 episodes long by the time it's over, similar to the other 3 seasons before it. Plus many more episodes to come in future seasons as they were greenlighted for 70 more episodes after season 3.
i love season 4. everybody need to chill and be patience. i want rick and morty for years and years. they need to write lots of stories, not only about what people want. as long as they keep their creativity is all good.
This show has actually helped me shed one big prejudice I used to have: my lifelong belief that most women can't be funny. Some of my favorite R&M episodes that keep me laughing despite multiple views were each written by different women (I looked the writing credits up because I was like, "What genius wrote this?!"). I can't believe some fans have complained about the female writers! I'm grateful for them, because they've helped me grow as an individual.
Who wrote this video? It’s nothing but a giant dump of excuses. 1. Rick in a way sucks is nothing new 2. Trolling the fans doesn’t automatically result better writing. 3. It’s not even trolling to depict Rick as lame because he has always been depicted as such. And it’s not exactly smart to comment on fans’ morbid curiosity when you put out something abnormal like a talking cat, it can be argued as trolling but then only 6th grade trolling. 4. Refusing fan service of course is often associated with better writing, but could you not confuse refusing fan service with failing to meet fans’ high expectations? 5. Intentionally cool off the hype sounds like a lame excuse for being unable to deliver. Not mad that Rick and Morty is going south, but please don’t make stupid and ridiculous excuses.
Roiland and Harmon understand what makes Rick and Morty so great -- each episode is a semi-encapsulated ride that will take you to places you won't expect. I enjoy being outside my comfort zone and taking in the absurdity and cleverness of every joke and punch line. The shows creative team should keep on doing what they are doing!
I respect the hell out of the creators for not bending over to the fan theories, and just doing what they want to do, and that they do not subdue to the overarching plot. Remember House HD? After some time i only watched it for the story, and i could not care less about all the patients they cured, as this was the same episode over and over again.
Sounds like an adequate response from writers frustrated with a fandom that keeps trying to guess where the story will go next. This fandom needs to be quieter.
For me season 3 spent too much time trying to be what the 'fanbase' wanted it to be, so to see it diverge from that this season is something that makes me hopeful for the future.
Season 3 focused too much on family drama and character development. These elements were always present, but more in the background. Personally, I really miss unsure and unconfident Morty and drunken yet genius Rick dragging him around all over the place on wacky adventures. Awe geez, Rick, what happened? Still though, season 4 seems to be shaping up as better than season 3, IMO. Not to say S3 was terrible, just different. Just my $0.02. PS I do hope they follow up on the Citadel / Evil Morty story. Out of what little serialized elements there are to this show, that's the one I'm most interested in.
Cool vid, bit I disagree on most of the GoT parallels. The audience got invested in a great hard to predict plot with great risks and it turned into highly predictable clichee plot. It made me glad it ended. About the clone stuff, I don't think there is any point in bringing that up because the cloning dilemma is the whole point in itself.
I love the video and agree with most of what you said, but you have to admit, there is a little bit of irony when you consider the message and the fact I'm watching this video.
I appreciate the take but I humbly disagree. I think they put dragons in because dragons sell their “lol random” jokes have gotten south parkish and lame. What i liked about R&M has slowly went away. Ill continue to watch it and hope it changes but my prediction is, this is the worst one yet, until the next one comes out.
Idk. You cant really dismiss fan expectation wholeheartedly. Its a thin line. Something shouldnt be 100% fan service, but it definitely needs to be acknowledged, and shouldnt be purposefully undermined. Afterall, creators are often the ones that promise us such lofty ideals in the 1st place. They take the laurels when we like what they made. But they walk it all back if we hate it.
Anything like this contradicts the teachings and message of the show and isn’t useful just sprayed out jargon that everyone uses to “Rick-splain” things. Also I used “Rick” correctly as it correlates to intelligence which is the way people want to appear when doing videos like this.
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I really like your voice and videos please what software do you use in editing your videos I want to start but my skills are low
All Mortys become evil.
Because of Rick's.
Rick's then go to a different universe where there is a morty
Who is not evil yet.
Much like adults ruin every child .
Once they become adults and lose their authentic love.
We lose the our connection to them and their inocence.
And move on to pay attention to another child who is not spoiled by the toxic and cynical ways of life
I think they killed evil Morty in the snake episode!
I have a question. Why did Rick not prevent or re-born or something (keep or make alive) hiw Wife???
@@tomasvrabec1845 that's a great question!... because any thing the universe takes, is gone!
Season 1: Rick is Crazy
Season 2: Rick is an Evil Genius
Season 3: Rick is a God
Season 4: Rick is Human
Sounds suspiciously similar to the "cycle" of _"The Hero's Journey"_ Trope:
Season 1: "Call to Adventure" -> (Threshold)
Season 2: "Challenges" + (Temptations) -> "REVELATION" [S2E10]
Season 3: "Death & Rebirth" [S03E01] -> Transformation
Season 4: "Atonement" -> (Return)
Rick is all of them at the same time
I hate how in s3 Rick was a God
@@Frazier16 RICK AND I are both gods.
The thing people don't understand in S4 is that Rick is punishing his family for what they did to him
I don't think I want Rick and Morty to be the next Simpsons, I want it to be good and then end, not continue into perpetuity until I just stop caring.
100 years rick and Morty adventures
Too late, the contract has been signed
Well there's no way to predict how it will develop in the future. What I think though is that they spend too much time addressing what the "fans" want or whatever. The fact that they address it in a fourth wall break every second episode doesn't exactly scream "we keep doing our own thing without distractions".
Just watch it when your high it speaks to you on a spiritual level every speech rick makes makes so much fucking sense
I want 12 seasons and a movie inbetween. I will not sleep at night knowing that Rick never got his Szechuan sauce.
Just a quick one; the failure of season 8 of GoT (or realistically seasons 6-8) was not due to a 'fandom trap.' It was due to 1) crap writing 2) showrunner narcissism that assumed that fans would just swallow crap writing.
"Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer!"
You know, I didn't realize that was meta until just now.
It’s a clear indication that they’re tired and miss having fun over pleasing fans
Pickle Rick
That reminds me of Star Wars fans as well
Lol, yes.
While I get why they're doing what they're doing, I still hope we're gonna get at least one episode per season that pushes the greater story forward, be it Evil Morty or something else.
That's ok. I kind expect that too. But the best part of R&M is to have fun. Just accept all bullshit they do and laugh.
I agree with you. I imagine that will eventually come. There's a lot of unanswered questions for them to just not address any of them.
Honestly I believe that if nothing happens this season it will happen next season. First time we encountered Evil Morty was in season 1, the next time was in season 3. While I'm only going off of two data points I feel like this might become a pattern. Where they do something every other season.
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That's true, but in s2 we got Bird Person's wedding and Rick's imprisonment, so every season there's something bigger happening during at least one episode. I hope that continues.
Král Václav I. im sure it will. its to good of a show to just stagnate on tropes just to turn a certain demographic of fans off completely from liking it.
For some reason, Rick saying "Sometimes we won't even do anything" really stuck out to me. I just get a feeling that there will be an episode where it's just going to be Rick and Morty talking on the couch or something
Interdimensional cable is my favorite episode
Probably not. Taken straight, the series already has multiple examples of that, primarily the Interdemensional Cable Episodes in which the Characters of Rick and Morty generally don't do much other then watch TV. Considering the Nature of their lives at large, I'd argue that the same could be said about any episode that isn't focused on a Rick Adventure.
Humor based on dialogue is my favorite type of humor. So I wouldn't mind an episode like this at all.
It's a reference to the year and a half long gaps between seasons and episodes isn't it? I mean the wait for season 4 was a pretty clear example of Rick and Morty literally doing nothing. And now another long wait for the back half of season 4. I've always suspected the delays are because Harmon and Roiland have major creative differences. To blame the fans for any of this is a total copout. It was the fans that they bitch about who made Rick and Morty popular. We get a twenty minute cartoon, they get millions of dollars and an extravagant lifestyle. How exactly are we the spoiled ones again???
Honestly, I really wouldn`t be surprised at this point if they did an episode that is just rick and morty sitting on the couch, not whatching enything, not saying anything and the writers trying to see HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY MAKE THIS INTERESTING and it would end up being amazing. Imagine how far could they take the awkward silence before it`s soul crushing and tragic instead of funny. Maybe summer could be on the other couch on her phone the whole episode
I took it more as support for the Rick/Morty duality theory. Morty is getting smarter and more in control, whereas Rick seems to be distraught in his loss of control.
It’s kinda like breaking bad or back to the future. Each character becomes more like the other
Interesting way of looking at it. Now go do anything a man can do. Join the women writing staff and write an entertaining episode of Rick and Morty cuz they all are and that's the point. Fuck you! Tiny Rick yeah!!
Morty is a young Rick and Rick knows it which does annoy Rick but he understands without all these adventures and mishaps Morty will never get to that level or understand the world from a scientific view just writing this just made me realise why a Mortys brain waves block out Rick's they are the same but just inverted canceling each other out until morty thinks like Rick or Rick's brain waves are getting weaker while Mortys gets stronger therefore make Mortys mind a cloaking device as he's a teenager and his thoughts are all over the place and often confused or conflicted internally
I think the line "your boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you cheer" are for those people who praise the show before and are now going to find a way to say it's not that good anymore
they started making that episode after season 3 which was awesome.
Clayon Gunzelle Nah, I think it’s for the nazis that liked the show.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't consciously flip off their audience by saying "we don't care about your boos because what entertained you was garbage: our previous seasons."
Once you have an idea of meta commentary, or anything else, deduce how likely it is to be true. Because that was dumb as shit
Something you didn't cover was the growing bond between Rick and Jerry. Rick is giving Jerry more chances as Jerry shows more independence and a willingness to try to be a better man without begging for help. Is this a sign that Rick can be a better person? Or that Jerry is going to completely usurp Rick in the future?
Jordan Loux or both
People can become better people together without replacing each other. That's what it means to mature. Not everything is a competition.
No shit Sherlock.
Interesting to note is that in the Rick and Morty comics a Jerry fucks up the Citadel of Ricks I can't remember the specifics, but iirc he becomes a dictator figure or something. (Interesting note, that specific issue also refers to the Rick we follow as C-137, so it might be an adventure not followed in the show, or it might be that there are multiple "central finite curves," or that the comics might not be canon, etc. It's too much to _really_ worry about, though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
I don’t think there is a growing bond between him and Jerry. He only tolerates him because he is his daughters husband. Jerry is trying to become more assertive and independent but he still is kind of a dufus.
I like the new direction S4 is taking with the characters, especially Rick, Morty, and Jerry. I enjoy that Morty and Jerry are becoming more assertive and independent, even if the former is becoming a bit of a jerk.
Edit: Thanks for how many likes and respectful responses this got. I only posted it because I like the show and I want to hear valid discussions about it. And for those of you who just bash the creators directions and their new female writers, you do realize if you keep it up, you can literally cause a show to go under. What makes this show so great is the passion and enthusiasm they put into it. If you’re just going to project your prejudices onto the show and its writers, you’re going to make everyone hate it.
I hate it
Agreed.
This is the shity season by far all three other seasons are good this one not so much they're change something I can't quite put my f****** I think it's the spontaneity I think it's the it's more scripted now I don't like it where is last time it was just kind of they were winging it and you can tell this time no they have corporate in there now and it's obvious with the Arby's ad you got to be f****** kidding me
struckfire 3337 OK, can you elaborate with punctuation, please?
Kaitln White He said he can’t quite put his finger on it.
I love this show because of how actively the creators denounce their more toxic Reddit-ass fans.
I can’t wait for the Evil Morty thing to be resolved because he’s suddenly eaten by a giant space snake in an after credit scene.
Then for him to be back seasons later because obviously there’s another version of an Evil Morty that didn’t get eaten by a giant snake.
I love how they change shit up all the time. Is it just me or is Jerry more of a dick than ever?
You do realise the toxic fandom would have could up with that possibility
Which episode is that after credits scene?
@@jaysongalvez4340 episode 5
welp at least you tried. Not in S1E5 S2E5 or S3E5
"Rick isn't a good person." I thought we already established this.
This is for the redditors in the back who are desperate worship to him
Edit: forgot a word and needed to add it in
Claudia every character in the show is a shitty person. Rick just stands out bc he’s smarter than everyone else so he’s “allowed” to show his shittiness more
@@FuryClouds This take is so empty.
The cringe post on reddit about "having a high iq to understand this show" was admitted by the guy to be a shitpost.
Everyone gobbled it up, and now you have hot takes like yours. Rick was never nice, from the first episode, he literally made his grandson smuggle a seed up his butt.
Honestly, takes like these are more cringe than any reddit post.
@@therandom58 No Morty, Beth, Jerry and Summer aren't shitty people because they try to be good and do the right thing. They fail because they're human but at the end of the day they try to be better whereas Rick doesn't.
Abandoned Hope them trying to be better is a rather new thing btw. For most of the series they’ve been content with being shitty people. And Morty has gotten worse if u ask me. Also striving to be better doesn’t make u a good person it just means ur a shitty person striving to be better
"I feel the insinuation I can't ask questions AND have fun condescending."
"Do you find it condescending, Jerry?"
couldn't agree more lol
Thats pretty meta right there
So, Rick is a bad person, who's secretly a good person, but he's way too toxic to realize how toxic he actually is. Except he totally does, and that leaves him constantly depressed and hating himself, a cicle he can't break out of because of how that depression and toxicity makes him perceive everything. Just like he's always been. Got it.
Lucas Machado yep
He's kinda like a Bojack that never changes.
The human version of bojack horseman and bojack is the horse version of rick
You sound like rick....explaining himself from a fake youtube account
well when you try to define something so circumstantial like ricks choices (or the choices of anyone with zero necessary connections to things) in absolutes like personality traits yeah things get a bit complicated.
Snake Jazz
Codswallop Dude! That’s my jam!
I was the 69th like lol
Tis ss ss tis ss ss tis ss ss tis
I come from the future, stop this meme NOW or it will be the end of the R&M Fan Base
Lourenço ok boomer
The funniest moment in this season is when Jerry screams he's the Jesus Christ of Christmas
Mine is the season prriemere ending when rick and morty fucking rant at summer
"He signed it in molly & Percocet"😂😂😂
Thank you for pointing out (again) how fan favorite Rick is actually not only a bad role model, but an actual villain that ends up incredibly lonely and sad. The heist episode is actually really depressing, about a care taker destroying his kid's dreams for his own selfish reasons. It's child abuse over and over again.
It's nice to see how Summer has gotten to a point where she has stopped caring about her grandpa's approval, not waning to go to boobland with him and calling him out if he is being an ass.
While the producers are still showing Rick as a miserable character, it's increasingly harder to have empathy for him. If you are a shitty human because you lack the capacity to make things better that's one thing. But if you are a God like creature, having the knowledge and power to solve basically every problem of the universe... What a coward at best and villain at worst do you have to be then to reject that responsibility and to use that knowledge "to have fun" instead.
Rick is repulsed by the cat's actions but refuses to see his own most of the time. Which also makes him a hypocrite.
Well said.
"Every breathe I take without your permission raises my self esteem
I get a Walt/Jesse vibe from rick and morty
Oh for sure, and I feel it’s heading a similar way. Rick’s gonna cross a line and Morty will turn against him, if only temporarily.
He gonna let Jessixa OD
honestly though
@@harrisont2004 Doesn't that already happen often? Like when he shot rick in the head during a hostage situation with summer. The gun turned out to be rigged but he woulda killed him otherwise!! oof.
11:52 - The eruption of fans against the final season of Game of Thrones was not at all about fan expectations being set too high. Everyone other than the show's creators was on board to keep the show going much longer (including George RR Martin). In fact, the effort to subvert fan expectations has affected the show (and most fans would prefer a well-written idea they figured out the end of through literary analysis than a show that did manage to surprise them in a negative way). But sure, let's blame the fans of a created thing for why they no longer like said created thing instead of the people who actually dropped the proverbial ball.
Meh, Dan Harmon IS probably an asshole, doesn’t seem out of character
Rick is toxic - but that's WHY so many people like him
Glad you can acknowledge people like him for other reasons as well.
We're sorry he's not a male Mary Sue though.
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Gary Stu
Because of what he can do.
We really need to pump the brakes on “toxic” as a society.
Toxic this, toxic that...that word has lost all of its impact
@@manifestgtr the notion that you have to use certain words sparingly it's ridiculous
I didn't realize they were confirmed for that many more episodes- sweet!
I’m sorry but when jerry went to the basketball court 😂 😂 😂
I don't think game of thrones bombed just because of fan theories and expectations, or at least it aint the fault of the fans. They set up plot points and dedicated time to things that they didn't finish.
that part pissed me off. like I'm a stupid person for expecting a good ending to game of thrones
@@josephmcconville7315 That's not what I got from it at all tbh.
I hope it becomes more of a futurama rather that a simpsons
It's kinda like a Bojack Horseman meets Futurama.
When you think you’re are Rick but know as much as Morty and then realize....
you are just a Jerry......
Amen
The over cynical fan aspect...
God, in the last two months I realized how the internet is. Like all the fandom stuff, but for me how cynical it is.
*Nothing* is 'good' anymore. It is either trash, average or a masterpiece. Not everyone is like this, but the majority keeps flocking to the 'best and perfect' shows.
I've been actively watching theories, games and youtube since 2011. I grew up with it as I am 19 now. And it made my mind cynical. I judge all the content I watch and find little mistakes everywhere. Stories with plotholes and inconsistencies and editing mistakes etc etc.
It sucks. I just want to enjoy my shows.
So my advice: try to just enjoy what other people created with (hopefully) effort and their heart and soul. Not everything has to be thought provoking or perfect. Sometimes it just 'is'.
14:16 *everything* has to be clarified these days, which is also a trend I hate. If you're doing something you have to make it *abundantly* clear what you mean and what you're not saying.
Sometimes even when you *do* make it clear people just skip over it, forget it or ignore what you said and keep going to the comments anyway.
Loretta...if you want people to care what you think, don't point out that you are 19. I know you probably don't feel that way yourself, but to most older people (and I don't mean significantly older) that just says "Go ahead and disregard anything I have to say, I'm 19 and I'm posting on YT, nothing I have to say at this point in time should be heard by anyone"
@@mightyone777 It would depend on how the phrasing is meant. People certainly grow wiser with age. Which can often times mean that a older persons opinion is more valueable because it is based on more experience.
You could be a super intelligent 12 year old. Pretty much anything said 12 year old has to say about society in general can be disregarded, the 12 year old has no meaningful experience with societies to be making judgement calls, no matter how intelligent they are.
Monoochrom no its not called wisdom with age, its called experience. i could be such experienced at 12 yr old cz i have read about the experiences older people encounter with, so I dont really agree with you. intelligence is not really associated with experience to my opinion
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this.
@@vibewithme2089 I didn't know this conversation was happening. I had my notificationa turned off, haha.
I mostly said my age to clearify how long I've been on youtube. It just made sense in my head.
Some people are better with words than others. People with less intelligence can still bring interesting facts or ideas to the table. Age doesn't matter much.
Experience is important in life, any experience. Mental, emotional or physical. I might be experienced in one thing, like living for a long time and what comes with it, but I do have other experiences I can base my ideas and thoughts on.
Older doesn't always mean wiser, but in a discussion like this a lot of other things are important. Culture, experience, morals, ideas and ideals.
Btw if people want to disregard my comment because of my age, that's their problem. I just wanted to rant a bit and if anyone agreed/disagreed or wanted to add to my comment then I'm fine with it.
I think this season is humanizing Rick in a way not seen before, which makes him even more relatable overall.
@Reggie Cyde why? The show has done that for all of its other characters since episode 1, why should Rick be excluded?
Hell, Rick himself has had plenty of humanizing moments throughout the show, so it's kinda arbitrary to take issue now.
I don’t like Rick because he’s the smartest. I like Rick because he’s depressed, and I want to see him heal. I want to live in a universe where damaged people can heal.
too bad rick and morty isn’t about positive character development
We cannot all be Simple Rick.
But all the FUBAR Ricks can buy the experience for a little while.
thanks...
@@GraveyardGod6 weve seen many characters take positive leaps, what are you talking about?
Jammin Hammerz like who?
I've found the 1st half of Season 4 very entertaining and funny.
"Excessive fan expectations" about game of thrones. Sure, that's what all this was about.
if you think "not sucking" is an unrealitic fan expectation? guess what?
YOU SUCK
Second this - S7 & S8 are objective shit - you have in awe of fan's patience on this one.
What do you mean? Season 6-8 gave us every single fan service moment we could ask for.. and a whole lot we didn’t lol isn’t that how you write a super awesome show, add some epic dragons and plot armor and you got genius 💆♂️
@@zomb452 coffee cup
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They are not at all but whiny fans gonna whine...while nobody else actually cares.
How come no one has asked questions about the rick that gave morty the documents on evil morty?
Hes dead. He died in the same episode
Can we get an explanation as to why Rick is afraid of Pirates though?
Stewart Bowers I think he just needed an excuse to get away from the military, also rick made pirates of the pancreas and he didn’t seem scared of it
@@mr.floppysquid2626 SUCH A GOOD POINT
Because people always watch pirated versions of the show lol
@@joegeary8036 ha! I like that
It’s simple, Rick has a good heart but his selfishness outweighs it
This season just made me realise how much I love this show.
It is unwise to listen to criticism as it is to ignore it
I'm glad that they have slowed down this season, the destruction and rebuilding of the citadel, rick's imprisonment, Beth and Jerry's Divorce all could have been big long stories, not crammed into a single season. I hope they keep this pace
I like how Dan Harmon's mentality is that they don't owe anything to the fans. It's true, they don't but neither do the fans owe them their attention or a positive response to whatever they are doing.
How about instead of constantly referencing how much they won't bend over for the viewer they just don't do it?
As for "re-centering" the characters: I guess I must have misinterpreted what the show was going for but if it is indeed being like the Simpsons or Family Guy or any other long running sitcom then I don't see why I shouldn't just watch any of those instead.
I like that little and question there: the why not watch other shows. Well firstly the characters and the situations they find themselves in partnered with the improvisational nature of the witty dialogue. Rick and Morty may have a similar structure to a lot of other animated sitcoms, but offers different character dynamics world views and characters.
WTF why does every one see rick erasing Jerrys memory as a good act , he is priving jerry of important growth we can see resolution in jerrys actitud and eyes when he sais "some one has to remember" Rick is not helping him at all by erasing hes memory , he is just keeping jerry helpless and not letting him mature and become stronger
I kind of thought it was noble when Rick whipped Jerry’s memory from him of the cat
1) say avoiding fandom traps
2) shows game of thrones scene
I see what you did there
Lila A I don’t. Game of Thrones was a letdown because the showrunners stopped caring and rushed the show to end it.
@@DeathnoteBB I think it's a general consensus that it flopped because the writers saw everyone could predict the endings (which tbh isn't that bad it means your writing is following a good flow and is clear enough that arcs can be understood and followed to a logical conclusion) so they tried to throw a bunch of "subversions" into it which made it just kinda unsatisfying in all.
Tiktai But again, that’s not the fandom’s fault. Predicting how a story ends is half the fun of stories. Everyone does that. Fandom has a lot of toxicity but something that everyone has done since stories were invented? That’s not it.
@@DeathnoteBB No no, I didn't say it was the fandom's fault for that. It's the writers fault for feeling that they need to subvert the fandom's expectations
Man I wish rick and morty had a crossover with Bojack
Right!
I also love how they cat, as much as he tells jerry not to question him, essentially begs to other people to questions him. Which leads to him getting kicked out. Almost as if to say as much as this show says it’s for fun, where would it be without them.
The cat always rang to me as a kid who wanted attention but wanted to do it posing as if it wasn’t what he wanted. Playing cool. But when he finally finds other kids who don’t give a shit about his “quirk” he finds that he’s just a regular loser who can only impress other losers through the quirkiness.
So the fandom ruined it like the writers ruined game of thrones? awesome.
Exactly
I dont understand how a fanbase can ruin a show. The creators should be happy we are having so much fun with something they created, but it should not bind them into doing whatever the fans imaginations come up with. They should just keep up doing what they were doing as obviously that is what was successful.
@@cjg8763 well due to thr fandoms little stunt when mcdonalds started releasing the sause again and the whole "only smart people watch rick&morty" its kinda pushed some people away from the show which would stunt it growth not improve
@@kinroga LOL the whole "smart person" thing is a copypasta joke.
Secondly, anybody abandoning a show they enjoy watching just because some lunatics saw the sauce joke and then went crazy at McDonalds, as if it were the show's fault, are just dumb. The show never solicited such behavior, that's on the people who did it. It was just another joke in a show full of jokes.
@@cjg8763 the fandom is one of the most toxic on the internet which is saying something. And the creators have told off those fans for yrs now esp since they have also been harassing the creators about shit. I bet they regret creating pickle rick. This and the McDonald's bs over a sauce that is terrible (thats the joke. Rick and the agent has terrible taste) have made most people hate the show and creators preventing more people from liking the show. They are lucky a large amount of people already liked the show before this shit or it would have been canceled. No show with a small but crazed fan base gets renewed. Now if it becomes like the simpsons it'll be terrible in a few yrs.
I think if you released Season 4 in 2014 and Season 1 now, people would complain about the series decline...
I'm seeing the balance of a healthier family dynamic. I've also noticed Rick isnt hammered almost at all anymore. Instead he has a weird bender with the dragon and then goes back to his normal life with his family. The family is accepting each other for who they are and not allowing false expectations of anyone get in the way of it. Rick is the one struggling the most bc of it but he's still healthier
You're just now saying that Rick isn't a good person because of this episode and what he did to Morty. I'm sorry have you even seen this show?
What I don't understand is why these people are saying "oh he's very smart and sometimes does good things but he's not a good guy or a hero you should be emulating" when the series has never portrayed as a hero...? Literally the first episode intro, neutrino bomb? It feels like she was reading a script but never having watched the show, and the people who wrote it not having watched it either just read a summary or something
No, she's responding to how MANY fans idolize Rick. If you don't see that, you haven't met many R&M fans.
@@JMarchel From what I gather she thinks the show is somehow "tearing Rick down", and throughout she implies that it somehow glorified him as a hero when the show never did that and isn't tearing him down any more now than before, that's why we said it seems like she was reading a script without having watched the show.
If you don't see that you didn't read either comment very well.
@@TheKapowz that's not it. She says it's Dan and justin reacting to the fans idolizing of him
@@TheKapowz continually they have tried to be more clear about how Rick wasn't a hero. It wasn't clear enough for a lot of fans in s1 and s2, so it got more blatant in s3 with characters literally dressing down Rick to the audience. But the biggest one pickle Rick still seemed like a crowning moment of awesome to fans. So they're even more blatantly showing how Rick isn't great this season. No one is saying he was great in s1, just a lot of fucking people didn't get it.
Also this show is created by two people and their videos are very well researched. I think you're reading something into this that isn't there.
I don't think it's sad he put so much effort into finding out, who used his toilet, actually, it's typical for him. Same as he is always the villain kind of, that people still like. And also, he will do anything to keep Morty. It's not different at all. He loves Morty, he is also putting him through bad things and he is obsessive. I really don't see the difference.
I feel like this season is gonna be a filler season. Where they're all gonna be a bunch of nonsense episode that aren't connected. All the episodes they always wanted to make and doesn't do anything for the whole plot.
Yeah man, I think you're on the right track.
this season sucks. rick's toxicity is nothing new. it has always been on full-display on the screen. pretending this season gives something new on this respect does not change the fact that the show is running out of ideas. BOOOOOOOORING.
This is one of the best analysis I’ve seen. Tbh before this analysis I just thought that Rick and Morty just lost it’s creativity and that this show will turn to bad cartoon sitcom. But now I just think that the writer’s are brilliant again and I’m excited for the second half of Rick and Morty. Just thanks!
What a shit take.
Rick has always thought of himself first. To ruin your point, in the first episode he literally made his kid smuggle a big seed up his butt, and when it didn't work out, told him he had to do it again.
0/10
Lots of this flew over my head. Rick as a character has been consistently an asshole and kinda sad, while being super smart. I thought that was kinda the point of the the character. Power isn't happiness, intelligence is suffering, etc etc. Won't deny I love some theorycrafting about Evil Morty though, always fun.
That being said, I did not know that much about Rick being some kinda symbol for asshole groups and toxic people. Not shocking, but I guess I am kinda surprised that it has gotten so bad that the creators needed to make it such a point.
Highly dependent on what you consider Toxic. Personally, I think the kind of person that thinks someone like Rick could reform far more toxic and naive then someone who simply takes the character at face value.
It's the same kind of people that worship characters like Walter White or Tyler Durden. People who A: Completely missed the point what the narrator was going for (Walt estranging and destryoing the lives of everyone he once knew and loved for the sake of his ego, Tyler being a very obvious metaphor for toxic, sexist male-dominant pseudo intellectualism) and B: Are just giant hypocrites.
@@Donnerbalken28 I don't know about Tyler, I've never seen Fight Club. But Breaking Bad ultimately doesn't do a good Job of making it about Walt's ego. The show simply does too much to force his Hand. If it's about his Ego he should be consistently choosing to cook Meth. However, he only really does that without outside forces making it happen at 2 points. 1 in the beginning. 2 near the end. Everything else was because he and his family were being threatened.
I think you’re reading too far into it
Rick's need Mortys to adventure/cloak. But we need to remember this is the one true Morty so makes sense this Morty is more independent
All good points. I also want R&M to be this generation's Simpsons. With the keen insight you offer here, I have confidence they can do this long distance run, perhaps more successfully than the Simpsons even did.
Omg GOT ending is fine the way it played out was just horrible
GoT s8 was horrible, it's incomparable. When Rick & Morty leave storylines unfinished it's mostly by design. GoT wasn't supposed to drop the ball like that.
Game of Thrones deserved to die, and I hope it BURNS IN HELL!!
it's just a show, chill
I was a little annoyed at the meta content and self-contained episodes, but I really like how the devotion to disjointed stories gives us such unique moments and storylines. Also adds to rick's degrading character and morty's growth.
Rick is showing morty how to be a genius which involves killing dreams and expectations as learning to not harbour these thoughts or feelings as facts makes it easier to navigate life and logic ,ureka moments as a scientist maybe random and not what you expect as the same as life.... Rick morty does meta commentary and 4th wall breaks so much most people can't tell if a spade is a spade or a giant stylish spoon altogether trying to always defy expectations, rick very human because any normal person would act just like him with such power of knowledge and expertise... Anything else is left to the imagination and imaginations run wild, we still got phoenix person, fart and evil morty to flush out in a way they are giving the fandom what they want but just not in the expected way just like the show always has... Its not rocket science lol
I was with you till the got fandom broke the show, and that’s not true. Why is it that fans are getting blamed for ruining shows, when it’s clearly the writing, directing, and predicting that failed the show. Got, Star Wars, Charles’s angles. Them blame the fans for it when really it was just bad writing.
You put a little bit of Rick and Morty in your GOT video
"Rick and Morty season 4 makes a point of tearing down the myth of Rick."
... Wasn't that the point of season 3? I'm pretty sure season 4 is meant to be post-tearing down.
Kind of? Season 3 started it and Season 4 is really exploring the effects and more of Rick’s psychology within the dynamic. Besides, in this season, Rick is at the bottom of the totem pole.
I feel like season 3 did a good job at pointing out the flaws in Rick but season 4 is letting us see these flaws in action
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I mean that's fair but season three was all about showing how destructive Rick is and how he is actually kinda evil. In the end, the family tears him down by putting him beneath *Jerry*.
This season, I think, is less about tearing him down because he's kinda already been torn down. We're now seeing a Rick that is no longer looked at through a god-like lense. The family already is disillusioned with him and he has to deal with that. Sorta like there's movies about the collapse of society and movies about what's after society collapsed.
@@ObaREX I think The Take is mostly talking about how, when you look at Rick and Morty through just a textual analysis, Rick is seen as essentially the "smart guy who is in pain because he's smart." Which is a trope you see pretty often. And even in S3 this was the case. I mean there's even the line about "what's worse is you're smart" line from Rick to Beth. This presentation of Rick is why 20-something dudes who think they're smarter than everyone else love him. S4 is 100% trying to skirt that notion by showing him as actually the piece of shit that he is.
Edward Gil Let me start off by saying I love how you put Jerry in asterisks as if the notion was painful to type out and that you were actually chill and explained your opinion. Thanks for both of those.
I think what I meant to say was, and you elaborated on this in your explanation, in S3 we saw how Rick lost his standing in the family and how they became just as disillusioned as Morty and Jerry were. We saw how his power waned, and now we’re seeing the aftermath of his loss of power. I think one of the reasons he seems so much worse in this season, in particular, is because he has to use more underhanded tactics to do whatever he wants.
Love this. Rick is bs, and glad to see that the show recognizes this even if some fans don't. The opposite happens with Jerry. Jerry is the biggest scapegoat of this show.
I hope it becomes more of a futurama rather that a simpsons
I just like this show, it’s a “thinker”, plus gives us some chuckles. What more can you ask 😎
Tyank you for this. I get bothered when peole say this season isn't good. The character development is beyond great. Rick being dismantled helps us understand his pain.
The only disappointing thing about the season is how short it is.
It'll be 10 episodes long by the time it's over, similar to the other 3 seasons before it. Plus many more episodes to come in future seasons as they were greenlighted for 70 more episodes after season 3.
i love season 4. everybody need to chill and be patience. i want rick and morty for years and years. they need to write lots of stories, not only about what people want. as long as they keep their creativity is all good.
This show has actually helped me shed one big prejudice I used to have: my lifelong belief that most women can't be funny. Some of my favorite R&M episodes that keep me laughing despite multiple views were each written by different women (I looked the writing credits up because I was like, "What genius wrote this?!"). I can't believe some fans have complained about the female writers! I'm grateful for them, because they've helped me grow as an individual.
Who wrote this video? It’s nothing but a giant dump of excuses. 1. Rick in a way sucks is nothing new 2. Trolling the fans doesn’t automatically result better writing. 3. It’s not even trolling to depict Rick as lame because he has always been depicted as such. And it’s not exactly smart to comment on fans’ morbid curiosity when you put out something abnormal like a talking cat, it can be argued as trolling but then only 6th grade trolling. 4. Refusing fan service of course is often associated with better writing, but could you not confuse refusing fan service with failing to meet fans’ high expectations? 5. Intentionally cool off the hype sounds like a lame excuse for being unable to deliver.
Not mad that Rick and Morty is going south, but please don’t make stupid and ridiculous excuses.
Roiland and Harmon understand what makes Rick and Morty so great -- each episode is a semi-encapsulated ride that will take you to places you won't expect. I enjoy being outside my comfort zone and taking in the absurdity and cleverness of every joke and punch line. The shows creative team should keep on doing what they are doing!
I respect the hell out of the creators for not bending over to the fan theories, and just doing what they want to do, and that they do not subdue to the overarching plot. Remember House HD? After some time i only watched it for the story, and i could not care less about all the patients they cured, as this was the same episode over and over again.
Sounds like an adequate response from writers frustrated with a fandom that keeps trying to guess where the story will go next. This fandom needs to be quieter.
This entire channel has a very particular moralistic "take" that doesnt allow meaningful analysis of anything.
The GoT backlash was not due to obsessive fans, it was because the writers destroyed the series so they could take a Star Wars job.
That's why this season is horrible. Rick is the best character.
And them lowering the bar is not a good thing.
Quit making excuses for shit writing. Season 4 appears to have been phoned in.
Ok but no matter what you were expecting S8 of GoT was absolutely garbage
This was like listening to my mom talk about something she knew nothing about.
It’s crazy they did a Netflix thing when the first three seasons are on Hulu
For me season 3 spent too much time trying to be what the 'fanbase' wanted it to be, so to see it diverge from that this season is something that makes me hopeful for the future.
Season 3 focused too much on family drama and character development. These elements were always present, but more in the background.
Personally, I really miss unsure and unconfident Morty and drunken yet genius Rick dragging him around all over the place on wacky adventures. Awe geez, Rick, what happened?
Still though, season 4 seems to be shaping up as better than season 3, IMO. Not to say S3 was terrible, just different.
Just my $0.02.
PS I do hope they follow up on the Citadel / Evil Morty story. Out of what little serialized elements there are to this show, that's the one I'm most interested in.
@@cjg8763 so the season that contained the episode in which you are most interested in story-wise is the weakest? So far s3>s1>s4>s2
Honestly one of my favourite seasons so far, the snake episode was especially great
I liked this season a lot, it was great
The snake Hitler episode was hilarious
It hasn’t finished yet
@@carltonneckbrace4039 has finished its first 5 epispdes of the season before hiatus
Cool vid, bit I disagree on most of the GoT parallels.
The audience got invested in a great hard to predict plot with great risks and it turned into highly predictable clichee plot. It made me glad it ended.
About the clone stuff, I don't think there is any point in bringing that up because the cloning dilemma is the whole point in itself.
I love the video and agree with most of what you said, but you have to admit, there is a little bit of irony when you consider the message and the fact I'm watching this video.
"The notes you dont play" is a Lisa Simpson adage
I appreciate the take but I humbly disagree.
I think they put dragons in because dragons sell their “lol random” jokes have gotten south parkish and lame.
What i liked about R&M has slowly went away.
Ill continue to watch it and hope it changes but my prediction is, this is the worst one yet, until the next one comes out.
I think the "random" jokes represent Family Guy more
Would you ever consider doing any videos about Mr. Robot? There’s definitely a lot of fascinating stuff to unpack there. Keep up the great work!!
We have already forgotten about Phoenix Person.
SIT YOUR BIRD ASS DOWN
Let’s just agree that season 4 was an utter disappointment and SO boring
I loved everything but the heist episode hate those movies so a parody ain't any better
Idk. You cant really dismiss fan expectation wholeheartedly. Its a thin line. Something shouldnt be 100% fan service, but it definitely needs to be acknowledged, and shouldnt be purposefully undermined. Afterall, creators are often the ones that promise us such lofty ideals in the 1st place. They take the laurels when we like what they made. But they walk it all back if we hate it.
I think "Take down" is inaccurate, more like "humanizing" Rick.
Anyone else wants to see ricks back story
Actually no, I don't think it would be fulfilling. You gain nothing from knowing how the Joker got his scars.
I love how Elon mMusk is in the heistcon episode.
I pay for premium to not hear about your sponsors, is the ad revenue from regular ads not enough? Like hats a genuine question not sarcasm
Kyle Snyder the makers has usually ads by companies.
It's invetable.
Anything like this contradicts the teachings and message of the show and isn’t useful just sprayed out jargon that everyone uses to “Rick-splain” things. Also I used “Rick” correctly as it correlates to intelligence which is the way people want to appear when doing videos like this.
Rick and morty crossover with "billy and mandy"
Yes.
Rick and grim are basicly the same in an alternate dimension
I like the new season but Episode 1 of season 3 is still my favourite.