I do like Marines glistening/wet effects on the chest and stomach, and I like the blushing face and hair glistening. But perhaps that was touched up more later?
Yeah she was primary focusing in the shadows so she toggled off the other effects, and in the clip she didn't finish the wet effect, it was left for later
if you check the stream and some other clips, you see Rurudo adding various small extra details, such as more water droplets and visual... enhancements... on Ina's chest area
I like Marine's courage for having another artist "touch" your work. Artists are very prideful about their work. The better you are, the more prideful you are. Pride is not a negative thing for artists (artists who draw/paint), because pride shows your confidence on your work. Having another do "corrections" kind of hits in a sense that "I know I did my best but I didn't know it was this bad" thing hits you sometimes. In that regard, I do think Marine's work is good. It was better with the touch because of more consistent lighting but I'm more amazed by her taking those criticisms (or corrections).
Yeah, also hate doing detailed painting, but just realized that I can just use transparent paint buckets to fix anything I didn't want to hit outside the layer instead of relying on a background color to keep it contained.
The fact that a vtuber artist is correcting an artist vtuber's art of another artist vtuber is amazing to me. They're all great artists too who have worked on big projects.
the after version, in terms of shading sense is much better than senchou's before version. i just think once senchou puts her touch into the shading details for the after version, that's when the real magic happens!!! >v
In case you're wondering the finished version does have improved reflections and subtle highlights from water (in 3D we call it global illumination lmao)
this was mainly touching up on the shadows and lighting. The blush and tube are still there in the final artwork Marine posted, they just disabled the layer here for comparison purposes. Tube got touched up a bit too, not shown in this video. The sun is just there to symbolize the source of light so it's easier to understand which direction the lighting comes from and how shadows are cast.
as an artist I like rurudo's shadows better. Do you think it would look better assuming they put the highlights and details back on? Because of course rurudo painted over the details while adjusting the shadows. I think some of the shadows in the original were obvious mistakes. Not painful mistakes, but still mistakes because there's no artistic justification to deviate from reality, and Marine probably simply overlooked it. The shadow at the bikini strap for example did look weird because it's just so far from what reality would be. Yes anime is stylized, but this part is not an issue of style. A mistake doesn't have to be painfully obvious to qualify as a mistake. There are some animes where the right hand is accidentally drawn as the left hand. No one cares, and it doesn't cause people to hate the anime, but you'd still correct it if you were given the chance, if you were a perfectionist.
Believe it even though marine says she understand she will make the same mistake at her next drawing, its because its her habits she drawing like that for years even after someone teach her how to do it in right way she wont and will make a same mistake some time its happen to me recently
Honestly, this is the only "art fixes" that I accept. Just some slight touches and subtle changes in the lighting. Not those Twitter art "fixes" where they practically slide the skin color darker. Also those who make the character "realistic" by making them gain more weight.
I actually really like the corrections that Naoki Saito sensei does, I think his criticism is actually really helpful overall!! He has a RUclips channel where he uploads them if you are interested!
@@Someone-dj6kk yes, naoki saito is so good at correcting artworks and at the same time makes me learn as well [For anyone want to check him out, he also corrected Senchou's Calli fanart too]
True, but "bothers" sounds more negative than it actually is. On the other hand "interest" is definitely not what was being said. I guess rather than a direct translation, a better one would be asking what stands out rather than what bothers her.
The "after" is more like a no edits vibe like if you remove flairs etc.. the "Before "though give more emphasis around the belly button then up to the face which i like more..
Y'all are high. Without the glisten the coloring looks flat. The right shoulder was a good touch-up though. Edit: For those who haven't read other comments, this isnt the finished change. The actual finished one looks really good. Especially love the sun glasses.
. . . The first one is actually better. Because something that's completely being forgotten about in the second image is reflected light. The first image still has reflected light in it. A water's surface would reflect light back on the subject. The second one completely removes indication of a bright reflected light. (ie. If you go in a pool during the day, the light of the pool will still reflect up onto your body at certain angles. Bounced lighting is a thing.) On top of that, it also looks like the rim light was removed from the arm as well, and really, removing the smaller light details just made the illustration look worse. Having a rim light is important for good lighting and no light will light a subject with any kind of curve or dimension to it that flatly (ie. a plane vs a cylinder). Also Marine did a good job with the small shine areas. They aren't as light as where the main light is, but it gives more dimension to the curvature. The shininess might seem like much, but you can also excuse the effect as sunscreen. No one's skin is that matte though, especially when you're in water. Shadow placement in the second one when it comes to the arm and shoulder are more accurate, but the matte look is so completely off it looks worse.
yeah, imagine it's like this: the blush and some other parts are just layers, the shadow is also a layer. In this video, she fix the shadow layer, so other layers didn't appear. That picture is not the final product.
>loses terminator line on the right leg >loses all terminator lines and subtle shadows. >loses hue difference in the shadow how is this an improvement? Don't let a child improve your work, Marine.
personally, i like the before better than the after one, I just think the after one is a bit flat, especially in the chest/torso area but they are both amazing pieces of art !!
the original were better to be honest, rurudo only fixed 2 mistakes from sencho's art, not very important ones, but she added at least one mistake by ignoring the hair so at the end she only fixed one issue, plus her style is quite flat and tenuous, almost cadaverous, senchou's style is bright and colorfull, full of life, rurudo is not a very professional artist after all, so thats expected, unfortunately most of the high-profile artists still dont collaborate with vtubers, so i dont think we are going to see anything very professional on this world, at least not yet.
These are the adjustments Rurudo has made in 10 minutes. There's another 3 hours worth of stream where she makes adjustments to more elements of Marine's art. What's only shown in this video is the adjustments to the Shadows. The Flashy effects that makes Marine's before look better are turned off because they will make adjustments to those later.
![Rurudo Fixes Marine's Art - Part 2 - [Hololive]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0QrTYS3egG4/mqdefault.jpg)
![Rurudo Fixes Marine's Art - Part 2 - [Hololive]](/img/tr.png)
It’s the subtle things like this that really elevate a drawing to the next level.
"The last 2% is the hardest, that's why they leave it in the milk."
I do like Marines glistening/wet effects on the chest and stomach, and I like the blushing face and hair glistening. But perhaps that was touched up more later?
Yeah she was primary focusing in the shadows so she toggled off the other effects, and in the clip she didn't finish the wet effect, it was left for later
@@SirBucelotte ah ty 🤓
if you check the stream and some other clips, you see Rurudo adding various small extra details, such as more water droplets and visual... enhancements... on Ina's chest area
@@SirBucelotte yeah，I think she did better on shadow, in consideration of the environment reflecting light
I like Marine's courage for having another artist "touch" your work. Artists are very prideful about their work. The better you are, the more prideful you are. Pride is not a negative thing for artists (artists who draw/paint), because pride shows your confidence on your work. Having another do "corrections" kind of hits in a sense that "I know I did my best but I didn't know it was this bad" thing hits you sometimes.
In that regard, I do think Marine's work is good. It was better with the touch because of more consistent lighting but I'm more amazed by her taking those criticisms (or corrections).
Being Towa's mom (and also seeing her other arts), Rurudo is certainly an expert in elevating those -small- precious chests.
The arm, back, and shoulders really shows the difference. It feels more 3D
Rurudo-mama is always a treat.
I've always hated doing shadows in drawings. People that can do it correctly are amazing.
Also Ina art looking amazing as usual.
Yeah, also hate doing detailed painting, but just realized that I can just use transparent paint buckets to fix anything I didn't want to hit outside the layer instead of relying on a background color to keep it contained.
Thanks for the TL! really appreciate understanding some kami advice
I sometimes forget with how much they fool around, that this are freaking talented girls. Those drawings are really nice.
I actually prefer Sencho's Version cause it makes Ina look cuter, but the after Imagine is waay more technical and accurate shadowing.
the one in the comparison isn't finished yet, check out rurudo's final version.
the "before" one has more details and reflections and lots of stuff, all of those were later added to the one with the improved shadows
I think she just hid the extra layers so that she could focus on the lighting, right?
Anime isnt suposed to be realistic
@@vonluciff7027 i think accurate shadowing goes a long way in making it look good, nobody mentioned realism in other regards that aren't shadowing
This stream looks very interesting !
If you happen to translate other parts of this stream I will be very greatful
We takodachis were blessed with such great arts of our priestess. Bless Sencho and Rurudo for that 🙏
Both Sencho and ruru chan is such a good artist. But i just wonder how ina herself will comment/adjust the illustration
The fact that a vtuber artist is correcting an artist vtuber's art of another artist vtuber is amazing to me. They're all great artists too who have worked on big projects.
wow i tho it wouldnt be much of a change but when they're side by side it clear af which one looks better
Beautiful 😍
that sun is 10/10 masterpiece of an art.
Marine at 4:51 " Her body looks filled"
Me looking somewhere thats not her chest: "..."
RTX ON
the after version, in terms of shading sense is much better than senchou's before version. i just think once senchou puts her touch into the shading details for the after version, that's when the real magic happens!!! >v
it obviously isnt finished? how do so many of the commentors on here think the entire drawing ended in this clip lmao
@@Inkblotchy i don’t think it’s finished at all tho LOL i can’t tell if this comment is for me 🤡🤡
i’m just praising the shading sense 🫠
I have no idea what's going on in the video because I CANNOT LOOK AWAY from Ina's PERFECT FORM
something to take note for the next time i draw. i've learned something today
Marine is such a godly artist and her Laugh gives me life!!
i cant stop watching this video idk why
この切り抜きのAfterはまだ途中経過です
最終結果と比較してみてください
Omg rurudo
To me it looks more like the sun positioning changed than anything
Towa watching: MAMA RUN!!!!!
SO GOOD :sparkle:
Ah now I get it why Towa is an angel !!!
In case you're wondering the finished version does have improved reflections and subtle highlights from water (in 3D we call it global illumination lmao)
1:54
that "sou desu nee" is suspicious.
I heard it somewhere before 🤔🤔
I notice the lighting and the blush,is there any other big edits? Exceptthe cartoon sun and the tube
this was mainly touching up on the shadows and lighting. The blush and tube are still there in the final artwork Marine posted, they just disabled the layer here for comparison purposes. Tube got touched up a bit too, not shown in this video. The sun is just there to symbolize the source of light so it's easier to understand which direction the lighting comes from and how shadows are cast.
She's like a little loli mom/grandmother teaching our mom how to draw
Thanks you for the clip. can you do more translation on this video, like part 2, 3, 4...
Why don't you show the actual finished comparison? Can be found at the end of the stream.
Thanks for the translation. But I have to admit, I didn't read all of it. As my eyes were busy following the cursor.
there is so much dept hto it. i wonder how ina reacted to this
as an artist i can tell you, while rurudo senseis one looks more realistic, realistic doesnt equal better, kanchous stands out more
read the top left
as an artist I like rurudo's shadows better. Do you think it would look better assuming they put the highlights and details back on? Because of course rurudo painted over the details while adjusting the shadows.
I think some of the shadows in the original were obvious mistakes. Not painful mistakes, but still mistakes because there's no artistic justification to deviate from reality, and Marine probably simply overlooked it. The shadow at the bikini strap for example did look weird because it's just so far from what reality would be. Yes anime is stylized, but this part is not an issue of style.
A mistake doesn't have to be painfully obvious to qualify as a mistake. There are some animes where the right hand is accidentally drawn as the left hand. No one cares, and it doesn't cause people to hate the anime, but you'd still correct it if you were given the chance, if you were a perfectionist.
I'm really glad Senchou collabo'd with Rurudo. Rurudo has long since been a friend and I certainly hope they'd hard-yuri'd many times.
interesting
Like a pro
I like how the after looked more pettan🤣
Believe it even though marine says she understand she will make the same mistake at her next drawing, its because its her habits she drawing like that for years even after someone teach her how to do it in right way she wont and will make a same mistake some time its happen to me recently
Rurudo is making me think of Taiga Aisaka
She gave me Towa vibes OwO
Honestly, this is the only "art fixes" that I accept. Just some slight touches and subtle changes in the lighting.
Not those Twitter art "fixes" where they practically slide the skin color darker. Also those who make the character "realistic" by making them gain more weight.
Because senchou ask rurudo herself. Unsolicited "criticism" like that will never be accepted.
I actually really like the corrections that Naoki Saito sensei does, I think his criticism is actually really helpful overall!!
He has a RUclips channel where he uploads them if you are interested!
Every time I see “twitter” and “fix”, I think of the fix of Llulu that looked like it was made with crayon; it gives me a great chuckle every time.
@@Someone-dj6kk yes, naoki saito is so good at correcting artworks and at the same time makes me learn as well
[For anyone want to check him out, he also corrected Senchou's Calli fanart too]
2:12 This is "bothers" as in which part is bothering her, or seemed incorrect. Both bothers and interested are 気になる but context wise it's bothers.
True, but "bothers" sounds more negative than it actually is. On the other hand "interest" is definitely not what was being said. I guess rather than a direct translation, a better one would be asking what stands out rather than what bothers her.
1:04 wait she literally says nama and raw, why is she doing this
👀.
The "after" is more like a no edits vibe like if you remove flairs etc..
the "Before "though give more emphasis around the belly button then up to the face which i like more..
This is 5 minutes of a 3 hours stream. It's only the shadows being changed here. There's much more in the Final Final product.
Y'all are high. Without the glisten the coloring looks flat. The right shoulder was a good touch-up though.
Edit: For those who haven't read other comments, this isnt the finished change. The actual finished one looks really good. Especially love the sun glasses.
Yeh, same
ahh more..
Im not an artist but both are good
Hmmmmmm...
La verdad me gusta la version de Marine xd
tell me
what does all this cost or i will just go to pencil and paper :')
Looks better before
you could say improve rather than fixes but ok
I prefer Sencho's version XD
. . . The first one is actually better. Because something that's completely being forgotten about in the second image is reflected light. The first image still has reflected light in it. A water's surface would reflect light back on the subject. The second one completely removes indication of a bright reflected light. (ie. If you go in a pool during the day, the light of the pool will still reflect up onto your body at certain angles. Bounced lighting is a thing.) On top of that, it also looks like the rim light was removed from the arm as well, and really, removing the smaller light details just made the illustration look worse. Having a rim light is important for good lighting and no light will light a subject with any kind of curve or dimension to it that flatly (ie. a plane vs a cylinder). Also Marine did a good job with the small shine areas. They aren't as light as where the main light is, but it gives more dimension to the curvature. The shininess might seem like much, but you can also excuse the effect as sunscreen. No one's skin is that matte though, especially when you're in water.
Shadow placement in the second one when it comes to the arm and shoulder are more accurate, but the matte look is so completely off it looks worse.
It's because it's not the completed version.
that’s right I do not know marine can draw pls don’t kill me
Ngl I liked the before to the after…
😕 p̴r̴o̴m̴o̴s̴m̴
Honestly prefer the Senchou's before version much better.
Shading is now more realistic but I don't think the image looks better.
this clip only shows part of the fix not whole thing
yeah, imagine it's like this: the blush and some other parts are just layers, the shadow is also a layer. In this video, she fix the shadow layer, so other layers didn't appear. That picture is not the final product.
>loses terminator line on the right leg
>loses all terminator lines and subtle shadows.
>loses hue difference in the shadow
how is this an improvement? Don't let a child improve your work, Marine.
It's not the completed version, don't let your mouth run when you don't know the full context.
@@cmlyn77 no thx
personally, i like the before better than the after one, I just think the after one is a bit flat, especially in the chest/torso area but they are both amazing pieces of art !!
its because she had some parts turned off to do the shadows, the actual final have more details
@@Fenronin oh i know:)
To be honest it gotten bad a bit but. If Marines fine with it, so we do.
she dulled it if anything.
the original were better to be honest, rurudo only fixed 2 mistakes from sencho's art, not very important ones, but she added at least one mistake by ignoring the hair so at the end she only fixed one issue, plus her style is quite flat and tenuous, almost cadaverous, senchou's style is bright and colorfull, full of life, rurudo is not a very professional artist after all, so thats expected, unfortunately most of the high-profile artists still dont collaborate with vtubers, so i dont think we are going to see anything very professional on this world, at least not yet.
It is not finish yet. Tell me you know that before compare things like those two pictures.
Go see final version by yourself then compare it again
Yeah Marine's is just a LOT better... Even trying to understand what the other is going for I just can't see any improvement
These are the adjustments Rurudo has made in 10 minutes. There's another 3 hours worth of stream where she makes adjustments to more elements of Marine's art. What's only shown in this video is the adjustments to the Shadows. The Flashy effects that makes Marine's before look better are turned off because they will make adjustments to those later.
The before looked better though.
She actually made it worse, it looks lifeless
It’s obvious she’s making an example on how shadows work to her
before looks better