The Laws of Magic {Lore/Theory - Spoilers All}
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2017
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Welcome, welcome! Have you ever though about the limitations of magic? Are you confused about the different schools of magic? Perhaps you want to listen to more theory than lore this week? If so, then come and listen to what is known~
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"So yes, we see Flemeth casually sauntering into the clearing, but sadly we didn't get to see her hauling ass from wherever she was at."
Best Line Ever! I lmao every time I hear it!
well considering she can shape shift into a dragon we have no idea how fast she can move
So maths is magic? ...Mathemagicians? anyone? no? ok...
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The rules of magic seemed less like "you can't do these" and more like "Technically this has been done before but you shouldn't attempt it." Bringing back the dead, aka necromancy, would probably be a little too close to demonology for most people. Breaking into the Fade physically, "Yes the magisters did it but the Chantry says they screwed the world over, so no." And the bit abut teleportation... Maybe they've tried and failed so many times they tell people it's one of the magical laws that can't be broken to keep idiot apprentices from trying?
its stated in codex entries that Necomancy in DA is not the same as we see it but is the magic being used to force a minor fade spirt to enter the dead body and do the mages bidding this comes with risks as if the mage attempting this is not strong enough to hold the binding they can loss control and also end up being the host of a demon
@@maxrander0101 According to solas, spirits become demons when corrupted by mortals or when twisted from their purpose.
@@the11382 yes but as i said it is not the same as a sprit entering a body of its own free will like with cole or even Justice in DA awakens they chose to do so and thus made a choice Necomancy forces a sprit to do the summoners bidding and it is bound to the world by force
In one scene in Trespasser, the Veil is described as a vibration that repels the Fade. Vibrations are created from a source (Solas’ spell) but they can also be drowned out by louder sounds or quietly negated by sounds tuned to an exact frequency. Basically, Silas opening the Veil is the magical equivalent of someone tuning a speaker to cancel out a very specific sound. While the Tevinter magister’s opening the veil is the magical equivalent of someone drowning out that same specific noise by blasting death metal. In the world of Thedas, there is actually a surprising amount of overlap between acoustics and magic.
The song of lyrium, the Chant of Light, the call of the blight. Music is fundamental to the setting.
I would also say Dagna falls under the category of "theoretical mage" as she specifically went to the Circle in Ferelden and studied magic. It seems like a field that should have more people in it, but would naturally be stifled by the Chantry as having people understand magic would make it less scary, thus making it harder to opress mages...
I am binging every one of your videos, and am absolutely blown away by your thoughtful observations and theories. It is really lovely to have a women's voice in gaming every once and a while. I really appreciate what you are doing and am so happy I found you through the subreddit. Keep it up! I am addicted ;)
And I'm blown away by your extremely thoughtful comment! Thank you SO much for the kind words :D! The DA fans and community are so special to me, as it's one of the few video game communities where I feel 'normal' as a woman. I'm not a special female snowflake and only get views because of my feminine(ish) voice, I'm just some asshole who has too much time and makes videos online. And I love that. Normalize female game nerds!
I KNOW RIGHT!!! I'm totally hooked and can't stop watching/listening. I often have it playing in the background while I'm cooking or doing laundry. So informative!
@@LadyNachtlich I do that too!
How are wormholes easier than teleportation? Wormholes are like doors while teleportation is like rebuilding yourself in a different spot.
Kenan Tutsi well, making a door is easier than severing someone's parts apart and sticking then together once again...
Same interpretation in science, if anyone has seen science theories on Star Trek teleportation, it's a matter of deconstruction and reconstruction molecule by molecule. see what I did there? eh? matter? hehe, heh...okay I'll go now, ENERGIZE!
Just a quick thought about the gradient of magic (Fade -> Lyrium -> Blood -> Blight). Wouldn't it make more sense to make it more of a wheel rather than a line? Since the Blight began in the Fade and is a corruption that manifests in blood. So Fade and Blood magic energies are opposite each other (which makes sense as the Fade is where everything is the expression of a thought and thus is more centered around the mind, whereas Blood magic comes from the life force within a body) but then you have Lyrium and Blight opposite each other as well (Lyrium being the natural essence of magic and the Blight being an unnatural corruption). Sorry if that I made that confusing
@@lightests and red lyrium being blighted titan blood appears where the imaginary and reality collide, such as around breaches, and possibly the gates to the black city
@@HovektheArtist And would make sense that Corypheus wants to use this. It is at the center, Lyrium but corrupted, blood but also connected to the Fade
Very good. Yes, possibly something.
Lyrium is the blood of Titans. As far as we know Titans are the planet themselves bound to a physical body (Possibly Golems of some sort). They can do the unthinkable like changing a race's predetermined looks. For example, make a Dwarf taller. Biological Adaptability?
The Fade is the source of power for mages. Also called by many as the Dream World. There is also a thing with a genetic connection creating a collective unconscious in races. Possibly why elven-blooded tend to feel dizzy in the presence of the fade.
Blood Magic in itself is our Life Force turned into energy. No real surprise there.
While the Blight should probably be seen as an individual on its own. The thing is we still know too little about the creation of the Blight. Since DA2 and Inquisition, we know it is not because of Blood Magic. But it does have something to do with the Dark Palace in the Fade that was once golden? What makes me wonder even more is how no one ever asked some Demons what their point of view is on that place. They tend to avoid it, but why is that?
Demons also seem to be foreign to the taint but should know about it since the very palace it supposedly originated from is everpresent in the fade.
The Taint has biological adaptability (brood mothers/corruption), Power that can be derived from so that even Genlocks that were once Dwarves can use that power to cast magic. AND it does have it's own path of blood magic proven by the Soldiers Peak DLC storyline.
You could definitely put the Fade and the Blight at opposing corners while Lyrium and Blood are both shared from those two. Like Corrupted Lyrium and The Taint.
The Fade as well as the Blight have both Hive Minds.
There are many possibilities really
While watching this video, I thought of something: Dorian tells Solas that there are depictions of orbs like the one that Corypheus had in the Magisterium's archives, called the Somnaborium or "vessels of dreams". So at some point the Tevinter Imperium was in possession of at least one of these. It could be that they found a different orb, but what if that was the orb of Fen'Harel. If that's the case, then the seven might have used it to learn more about the Veil. I don't think they used it in the ritual directly but it could have been the basis for the idea of how to pierce the Veil.
Also, we know the Veil repels Fade magic, that is literally all it does. If you have the Arcane Knowledge perk, The Inquisitor describes the Veil in Trespasser when distracting the Iron Bull as "a vibration that repels magical energy". This is how the Veil separates the Fade from the physical world.
Sorry this was a bit long-winded.
"we don't see Flemeth hauling ass from wherever she was at"
lol, she totally would for a dramatic entrance
Something I've found interesting, is that Solas mentions that using blood magic makes it more difficult to enter the fade in dreams. Yet, it was used to enter the Fade physically by the Magisters.
I'm uncertain where to go with that, aside from it being a neat sidenote. But, when set along side your theory about magic being two pools, the Imaginary (Fade/Lyrium) and Reality (Blood/Blight), it has some fun potentials.
Reality magic grounding and distancing one from entering the Fade using Fade magic, but also being a necessary component to bring Reality and Fade together in order to cross over physically.
Thanks for all the videos you put together! Compiling and organizing as much scattered information as you do is no small task!
The magic rules are written by the chantry. So there is much they don't know or even want to suppress.
Yeah this is the definition of the unreliable narrator
On the note of magic... I’d like it if we had a staff unequipped we just use our hands like a Saerabaas. Or have the option to have “no staff” like the “no helmet” option.
I wanna the option to just use an enchanted ring
You can in dragon age origins
It would be even better if we could switch between projectile magic staff attacks and melee magic staff attacks.
We see Dorian use his magic staff as a melee weapon when we first meet him.
We witness the majesty of Battlemage Hawke do so and then some in the Dragon 🐉 Age 2 Hawke Cs Arishok Cinematic Trailer. ruclips.net/video/jlACgYHtWCI/видео.html
She says in the video that the Magisters use the ton of lyrium and blood to open the fade and described it like a key. Maybe a more apt description would be a brute force method. Solas made it nearly impossible to puncture the fade besides for his own magic, the “password” if you would. Let’s say it’s a 1000 character password with letters and numbers that’s case sensitive. To open the veil would take literal thousands of years to find the right one. What the Magisters did was just simply take an axe to the veil and hacked it open.
To end this I don’t know if someone has made this observation or not. I’m not a person who goes on the subreddit and not active part of the community. I hope if this is an original thought then you could use it to parse out a theory. Thanks
Sam Zdanowicz I totally agree. Ive always seen it less as finding an extra key and more as "forcing the lock" through brute strength
I think so too. The magisters might have noticed the veil is thinner in some places, and that certain circumstances make it even more fragile, so they applied brute force: killing thousands of slaves on it's own is a lot, plus magic on it's own, plus these two combined. I suppose their "old gods" were not just calling to their dedicated priests, but also helping from the other side...
My theory: killing thousands of slaves in an area will make the veil thinner there. As i recall, places that has thinner veil usually is a place where certain tragedy happen, where blood ritual are executed, or when a certain being being worshipped. The magisters do that 3 things in the same time. Plus adding the power through lyrium. So they literally place a dynamite to open the veil. Its scary when i think about it. Creepy
What about time travel magic? Because that totally happened..
Great videos!
Connie Bovingdon How are you supposed to know if time travel magic has been used?
@@sarge7047 have you played the games
@@sarge7047 it happened in DA:I
yes time magic works and is there but only if there no posibility to go back in time beasue then this go pretty srange and make no sense
i think that whan happend in Dai is they created second world in fade or somentink simillar becasue dorian said that alexius coudnt make this magic to work until there was a breach
I always saw it as the laws of reality needing to be overcome to cast magic. I saw magic as the power of imagination made manifest, but the world of Thedas is essentially the balance of imagination/magic which is pure creation and reality which is the laws of reality we know and the constant of the universe. Casting a spell that affected gravity would essentially require you to understand the laws of gravity and willfully change them for a time. Essentially reality and magic is opposites and using either one in the others realm requires a lot of willpower, knowledge and power! Casting a spell on thedas is essentially as difficult as it would be to impuse reality in the fade. This is why entering the fade physically is very difficult, and this is why time magic, teleportation, etc is almost impossible to achieve - since the knowledge and power required to break something that complex and making time "fluid" as an example is a LOT more difficult than simply changing the temperature of the H2O in the air around you, or igniting oxygen to make a wall of fire. With this mindset, the more complex the law of nature the more difficult the magic would be to understand, master and will into being. The more complex the law of nature or the physical object is, the more difficult it would be to move into the fade, the more "creative" or forceful the way in will need to be!
In short, magic is deleting the laws of the universe for a time, and imposing reality in the fade is the equivalent of introducing time into a universe that's timeless.
I hope this makes sense, it's just how I've always thought of magic in dragon age.
I love these videos. This one gave me an interesting idea - What if the magisters used blight magic on theirs slaves to enter the fade? They may have discovered it, and not realizing what would eventually become of blighted individuals, infected themselves and their slaves to give more power to the ritual, thus accidentally causing the first blight... Just a theory: they discover it in the deep roads, as they are researching and investing in a more powerful lyrium supply. They accidentally become infected, but learn that it has an enhancing effect on their magic, so they spread it intentionally to their slaves not realizing what would happen - bam, first blight.
Funny how a lot of things are related to blood in dragon age. Wardens drink darkspawn blood, Reavers drink dragon blood, and finally Templars drink lyrium which seems to be Titan's blood. Food for thoughts that the Templars powers seems to work by reinforcing the veil. By that we could theorize that the Titans could be the pillars on which the Veil stands ...
1:43 I really can't help but think about Wynne and her experience, also Evangeline from Asunder. I hope you will go into detail about them during your book series on Asunder.
somehow I thought of fade/lyrium/blood magic not as types of magic, but as sources to fuel it up, the magic itself being individual's ability to transform one form of energy into another and to manipulate those energies. Fade's fabric is easier to manipulate and mold, it is flexible and can be used in the widest variety of ways; in this way, Blood magic is using life force of a living being...
Separately on the subject of lyrium. It seems that it is a link between fade/magic/reality as it exists in both planes AND is blood of a higher being, capable of creating and shaping matter (a demiurge of a kind, if you wish). Was it yourself who speculated that we might one day see templars being controlled/possessed by a titan's will?
Magical wormhole is easier because you're walking through a door. Teleportation has you focusing on moving that said person from point a to point b, all in one, without killing them (by failure of spell), plus moving them through how ever many objects are in the path. It comes to just the high focus and magic use needed to do that let alone during a fight where at some point maybe the mage gets hurt and you're now a pancake on the wall.
U have a new fan, i find your insights fascinating
Great video! Still so much we don't know about Dragon Age lore...can't wait till we learn more!
Such a great video, definitely subscribing :) I've always been interested in the difference between Circle and Dalish magic, Solas mentions a few times that Dalish and Circle magic are different (saying it's more subtle/practical). Might be a good idea for a video maybe? Great stuff, love your work, keep it up :D
Thank you for another great video. One thing that I'm curious about is whether magic in the Dragon Age universe had a beginning. As you referenced in your video, the Veil--once thought to be an eternal, immutable facet of the world--has had its artifice revealed. It might be interesting if the land of Thedas was once much like our own until something happened or someone acted. I haven't seen or read anything in the games/books/comics that would suggest this, but I just thought it might be neat--on the other hand, maybe I should just let magic be magical.
That would be cool! So far, all we know is that Elvhen empire was built on magic. Any time before magic would have had to have happened almost 9000 years before the current time in DA! So it's possible at this point!
Isnt it said, that during the Elvhen Empire that fade and the "real" world wer basicly bleeding into/ overlapping each other, and that magic was to the elvhen as easy as breathing. THe only thing im not sure about is if the elvhen lost immortality (when not bound to a God or otherwise) with the arival of men or with the Veil. I think Solas once compares the world to being for him as if everything was made tranquil...
My theory as to why you can’t teleport is actually linked to the law about bringing back the dead. To teleport, you’d theoretically have to break someone down on a molecular level, transport those molecules, then reassemble them. If you are ripped apart like that, when you’re reassembled, your body would be dead, so the spell would need to include some kind of revival aspect as well.
But for a wormhole, presumably it’s made by what I think are Wrinkle in Time rules where you basically create a fold in space-time to make travel easier. Presumably this is also the basis for the time travel spell.
I tend to theorize that the different sources of magic (Fade, lyrium, blood and blight) both are a d are not the same thing dependant on how it is seen. Most magic is something created via the mind of the caster in the Fade, which they pull across the veil and becomes what is magic. Lyrium is most relevant to the veil, in potions it recovers the exhaustion of breaching the veil, as material it can lock magic in place to create a magical item, and depending on how used it can be a solidificstion of reality to cancel, or a conduit that can kind of have a similar effect as being the barrier of physical and mental can blue the lines.
Blood magic goes beyond mental energy for a creation of the effects of magic and uses something that uses the energy of creation with a much more direct link to the physical world (life force). Also bending the rules of what is meant to be the unchanging physical world with characteristics of the Fade. Enough of it could create a doorway by creating a hole in the distinction.
And I kind of think of the Blight as something that only should have been mental, a corruption of mind and soul, but allowed to mutate so it could effect material matter, so it doesn't see the distinction so much. Although the whole blame might not just be on the Tevinter that allowed the crossing, the Elf "gods", they probably planned bridge to use it to bridgr the twho so they can return.
It’s worth noting that Dragon Age draws influence from Wheel of Time, where there are a light and dark source of magic: the One Power and the True Power
Could you do one on just blood magic? This is always been a topic I’ve been really interested with, due to the power and the bad look it gets! (If you already have I apologize I had to have missed it!!)❤️🐉
Um, just a quick bit that is a massive spoiler for several things from DA:O and the book Asunder.
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Wynne bought Evangeline back to life. Like, she was RAN THROUGH by Lambert during The Spires mage breakout and she was lifeless, color had left her cheeks and eyes glossy. By passing the power, or rather 'spark of life', the spirit that brought Wynne back from the dead during the Ferelden circle demon-day, she was able to sacrifice her 'second chance' to help the Templar.
Okay, so, maybe the the two women's souls still clung to the body but by Wynne own omission of 'I was dead' and the evidence of Evangeline's mortal wound and her body's obvious lifeless state, doesn't the 'one cannot bring the dead back' rule kinda get shot to hell when spirits are involved? I get the impression alot of rules get tossed out the window when spirits are involved.
Anyway, I really don't have much of an argument against this other than what I mentioned, just more of an observation.
well in those 2 cases both were very recent i think the rule applies to the more common scenario of "loved one has been dead x amount of years and you want resurrect them to be with them again"
Maybe wynne and evangeline truly were dead. I mean, maybe it's not like anders who has justice and himself in one body. They were both dead bodies possessed by spirit of faith. At a glance it's similar to the corpses at the necropolis but it could be a little bit different.
Spirits can assume the memories and personality of someone, like justinia. And as solas said, it identifies so strongly with her, whose to say it wasn't her? Maybe faith identifies with wynne/evangeline AND possess their bodies so that it becomes them physically and spiritually. There's also the slightest possibility that those laws actually can be broken. Or that their soul hasn't left their bodies.
What I find jarring is that rhys is now dating the spirit that was once his mother. Before this faith sees rhys as its son, but now rhys is its lover.
Daryl Mcmexican ^Like Cole!
Please upload lot more videos,it's amazing.
1:23-1:28 earned a like.
They don't say no flying?!Do they?
I realize I’m showing up waaayy late to this party, but I just had a question. Oh, and I’ve just recently discovered your videos / channel, and since, that’s all I watch here. 😂 great job. Anyways, back to my question. I’ve played all of the DA games, multiple multiple times, and I had a question concerning the mortalitasi / necromancer. In this video, I just reached the point where you are initially at least discussing bringing back the dead. In inquisition, as a mage necromancer, when first talking to your specialist trainer, he mentions something about calling spirits of the dead to inhabit bodies on the battlefield to fight once again. Wouldn’t this still be considered bringing back the dead ? Or is it not, because the “ human “ spirits haven’t left the earthly realm ? I always took it as though a soldier dies, his spirit departs, the necromancer calls forth a spirit from the fade, who we know from Solas, that they tend to gather around battlefields, having them inhabit the bodies and to rise up and fight ? Just a thought. I hope this wasn’t too roundabout or convoluted 😂 thanks, keep being awesome.
I think as far as bringing back the dead goes, they mean that you can't bring back the deceased as they were before death, you can only bind a spirit to a body. If you recall Justice from Awakening, he was a spirit that was thrust into a body and bound to it until Anders allowed it to enter him. The body of the Warden Justice was inhabiting was still decaying and it wasn't alive, just being animated by Justice's energy. As mentioned in the video, one can come back from the brink of death (like Wynne who was for all intents and purposes dead, but her soul hadn't left yet and a spirit bound itself to her to bring her back) but after the soul leaves its body it can never truly be alive again
Is there a death magic(i don't mean the necromancer from inquisition). Someone who can truly control the dead. Like creating strong undead which could destroy any nation's power. Like creating undead dragon etc
In Dragon Age: Awakening, the Baroness Demon was able to break through the Veil with Fade Magic. Though it may have been dragon-powered with the original Baroness' experiments.
You could also group the sources of magic as Blood and Lyrium, and Fade and Blight. Lyrium and Blood magic originate from the material world, and Fade and Blight Magic originate from the fade. Fade magic is drawn from the makeup of the Fade itself, where as the Blight came from the blood of(at least as far as we know) people that were physically in the fade. Lyrium comes from titans, which make up the material world itself, and blood magic comes from the blood of people living in the material world. It may even be possible that the Blight was created from the magisters using blood magic while in the fade(nobody since has had the opportunity to even try.) The only hole in this thinking would be that the veil separating the material world from the Fade isn't natural, so it's probably not accurate to try and group magic in this way.
"This is either the beginning of something or a whole lot of nothing."
DA lore in a nutshell.
All these "Rules" have been broken again and again....Literally shouldn't be taken as fact it was a propaganda book written by the Circle to limit a person's magical prowess and ambition.
Brilliant channel 👌
The magical worm hole is easier because well you are making a hole. Where traditional teleportation is where you pretty much rip yourself apart and put it back together in a different spot. One sounds a lot more simple then the other.
Can a darkspawn be possessed by a demon ? Also Lyrium is blood ?
Lyrium is blood of the Titans. like blood of the earth itself.
Not sure if anyone has said this but Magic that is available is based on a world where “the veil“ exists. If you played as a mage in DAI you learn that rift magic only came in to being because of the breach of the veil that allowed that to happen.
It cannot pierce the veil but perhaps it could ..... split the veil ?????? ;)))))))
5:20 Lyrium could be Titan blood.
all the sources of magic are linked and joined in that they are all in truth linked to the world so magic from any source is you being able to connect to a part of the world to do something most others can not one example of this is healing in DAI the healers in the Hinterlands mention that they feel like the land is aiding them and indeed its even healing aswell the more they use creation magic in the area
Im so interested in what the templars say about lyrium. It was intended that lyrium would have addictive effects including withdrawal penalties for DAO but that never happened because it ruined gameplay in early beta. Templars describe its magic blocking effects as "reinforcing reality" which essentially cuts mages off from the fade.
Dragon age implies heavily that the fade is both the world of dreams and the seat of creation (in the chant of light), so magic in a sense is tapping into either the potential unreality of dreams or pure energy of creation. When templars use their 'gifts' mages briefly lose their connection to the fade, hence bringing them back to reality. This is ruined a lot when we find templar skills do not require lyrium.
We also know from solas utalising blood magic ruins a mages connection to fade (or at least for dreamers). In my headcanon this links lyrium and blood magic, which is further linked by the fact lyrium is titans blood
I dont think this is true and would be upset to find it but we know lyrium and the blight cause madness and each has a song to their children (calling and hum of lyrium) and we know lyrium can be tainted by the blight. What if all the blights stem from one titan perhaps the same that battles Andruil. The most interesting thing this hints at is the disparity of lyrium and red lyrium. Lyrium permeates both the real world and the fade whereas there is no blight in the fade. It may be an issue of chronology as the veil was constructed before advent of man in thedas who predate the first blight and the appearance of the first darkspawn. Nethertheless in my headcannon blood and lyrium are similar but the fade and blight are true opposites.
But why does solas know who corypheus is?
Do i mean mythal as she killed a titan
Why do people keep forgetting that in Inquisition you ENTERED the fade USING an eluvian!!! Entering the fade is a lot easier than it seems
DarkTirk D actually the eluvian wasn’t made to enter the fade, when Morrigan showed you, you two were in the Crossroads (the in-between) and it wasn’t until Kieran either used his power from the soul of a god or Mythal used her own power, that the Eluvian was set to enter the fade.
Sorry but I don't any evidence for that, when Flemmeth comes for Kieran, all Morrigan says is that it took alot of power to get here but it is the fade, The Inquisitor confirm it and that the Eluvians can travel anywhere so long as a fellow Eluvian is at the location. The Point is that is Fade is very possible if you know the short-cuts and lot easier than it seems
DarkTirk D
I don't think you fully comprehend the level something like Mythal or an Old God functions at. Solas alone had the power to _create_ the veil.
The Eluvian quite definitely makes the process easier, as you can access the Crossroads (a sort of buffer dimension) which puts you far closer to the Fade itself, however there is nothing indicating that this would make entry easy- just easier.
We still haven't even begun to understand the level of power brought to bear by the Old Gods or the deities of the elves, but we know that they far surpass mortal limits and are almost intrinsically tied to the essence of the Fade itself.
To make assumptions about general magic usage based on their deeds is foolish at best.
Sorry but your making a lot of assumption right there. I said it was easier than thought I never said easy. Second, Mythal herself said that he is only a whisp of herself the way she is now. We don't know how Solas created the Veil or even if he did it alone we know he gets the credit for it but Solas himself says they give him more credit than he deserves.
Second I think you missed the whole point of what I wrote, YOU ENTER THE FADE THOUGH AN ELUVIAN, not the crossroads, the FADE, the Inquistor and Morrigan both say that they entered the Fade, this isn't a guess or a theroy but a fact. You can enter the fade using an Eluvian.
DarkTirk D
Yes, a whisp that can turn into a Dragon at will, hop between bodies, seemingly traverse the Fade at will, and create copies of itself for later revival.
A whisp if a god may still be a hell of a lot more powerful than any man. And yes, before you go nitpicking, I know the elven Pantheon weren't literally gods, but for the purpose of power scaling, they might as well be.
As for entering the Fade through the Eluvian, yes, I'm aware that it happened, but that _isn't_ enough to say that it's even generally possible. The veil was already sundered to shit- hole in the sky or not. The consistent existence of an Eluvian within the Fade is questionable at best, given the impermanent nature of the place. On top of all that, either Mythal or the soul of an Old God initiated the connection, again, both beings far older, far more powerful, and far more connected to the Fade than anyone else alive today.
To look at something they did and assume it is even possible for someone else to replicate it doesn't hold water at the current time.
If Mages draw their power from the Fade. Then doesn’t it stand to reason that they would become far more powerful from being saturated in the Fade by going there physically?
Shouldn’t even a none Mage become a Mage by being saturated in the mystical properties of the Fade in the flesh?
Every Magister who entered the Fade in the flesh came back different and far more powerful. Why isn’t the same true for the Inquisitor and his party?
Could have thrown enchanting in with lyrium magic. Since its preformed by dwarves or tranquil who are cut off from the fade but are still able to produce the effects of the various magic schools through their runes.
Well, if you go with the theory that Illuvians are made with Lyrium (and this can be Tainted), then the Lyrium probably supplies the extra power needed too make a portal.
So what exactly IS Blight magic? What can it do?
Lyrium isn't a source of magic, it's an enhancer, it allows you to do magic you couldn't do normally. In Dragon Age Origins, the mana codex entry makes the analogy of a man trying to lift a big rock, the bigger the rock the more lyrium he needs to lift it. You don't have lyrium? Use blood, which allows you to do with a single hand-cut what a jar of lyrium cannot. The ultimate source of all magic is the fade, lyrium is redbull, blood is monster energy. I don't how the blight fits into all of this, DREADWOLF GIMME ANSWERS.
PS: This makes me wonder if blood sorceries necessarly needs blood to work, theoretically you could do it the same with lyrium, you'd just need a lot of it. If Merril could use blood magic to purify the mirror shard, shouldn't the opposite also be true?
The four kinds of magic to me seem to be divided between natural and artificial. Fade magic is natural, as is Lyrium magic. It exists already, right there for everyone to find and use whenever they see fit. Blood and blight magic are artificial: they take something that already exists and refine it into a more potent, but volatile form.
I'd prefer the terms flux and static magic for fade/lyrium, and blood/blight magic, instead of you calling fade magic not a real thing. It is, even though the bounds of what is possible in the Thedan world are extremely limited and set, very possible to do different types of magic through the fade, and if these weren't real, then how would demons and any other creatures be real?
It sounds fancier, yeah? :)
This makes me think about the yellow lyrium in the horror of hormak. If red lyrium is tied to the blight, what is that lyrium tied to?
Wait, Felix isn't a mage? How on earth did I miss that???
Idk what magic those Qunari mages from the trespassers use but I want that magic to punch dudes super hard...with magic.
What type of magic is the knight enchanted specialisation? Cause like, okay, used in battle, but surely also some spirit/conjuring magic?
DA:I also has interesting implications between the ties between blight and lyrium: as lyrium is blood, it can be blighted. Makes me curious about the process of titans being "tainted" (ew) vs. humans, elves, vashoth, dwarves, etc.
Additionally one of the protagonists in last flight notices the process of becoming tainted has been sped up by her use of blood magic. She was only a warden for about fifteen years by my count- that seems a little young for her to be experiencing her calling. Makes me excited for DA4 and more juicy lore!
So by proxy red lyrium can be seen as blighted-titans blood, would that mean it was stronger then both its origins or a more hybrid sort of infused magic for certain magic(s) within the lore.
Blight magic to me seems to be the damnation of the "maker", some sort of super charged blood magic.
Saarebas in DA2 and rebel mages in DAI all teleport though... continuity error maybe?
I pay more attention to you talking Dragon Age Lore than I ever did to anything in school lol
and yet I guarantee with my memory i'll still forget a lot of it regardless! Lol
So basically mages are nerds
Doesn't Kieran make it into the Fade physically too?
W Fox yes but he likely used the power of the soul of the god inside him, or Mythal used her own power to set the eluvian to go to the fade. Morrigan even stated that it would require immense power for the eluvian to go to the fade
1:40 well itch easier to create wormhole rather than teleport becasue teleporting breaks continous of matery while wormhole not
Lyrium is technically blood magic as well, as it is the blood of the titans
the magisters couldn't have used blight magic to rip open the veil, they unleashed the blight after ripping it open. Or did I miss something? If so, disregard this comment
Dont you enter in the fade in origins? or was it just a mini version or something (I mean when trying to save the boy)
You do indeed enter the fade.
Not physically: you are asleep and you need to make it back into your body before it dies of lack of food and water. Dreaming is the usual way of entering the Fade since the creation of the Veil. As far as we know, only the magisters led by Corypheus and the Inquisitor & company have ever set foot in the Fade in a corporeal form. In their dreams, though, even common non-mage people visit the Fade night after night without being aware of it, if I am not mistaken.
I was also wondering about that; I have only played Origins and I was thinking, how does Jowan get away with his piddly two person sacrifice to get the Warden to enter the fade? And or just, all the harrowings? But then if the crucial bit is that you are alseep vs actually physically entering the fade then i guess that could make sense? :')
feels like all magic is blood somehow
blood of spirits
blood of titans
blood of humans "or whatever race"
blood of darkspawns
What about arcane warriors if thats the right name its been a while since i played Dragon Age.
what school of magic would Time magic fall under?
What about hedge magic? No mention at all? What a pity..
Well hedge magic isn't a different type of magic. Hedge mages is just a name for people who learned magic outside of the Circle, and while their magic is unique to them and their situation, it isn't new magic. Think how a self-trained musician will play differently than a formally trained one. Both are using the same instrument, but the technique is different. I didn't mention it in this video, but when I have one about Apostates or different types of magic users, then I would bring it up.
It's not "new" but it's something trained mages can't replicate, anyway, can't wait for that video.
Your "keyhole" theory is pretty sound....as far as we know
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