Lotus Elise old v new: Series 1 and Series 3
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2018
- Aaah, the history. The base philosophy of the Lotus Elise hasn't changed in 20 years, but really, this is a good thing and it’s refreshing. Adam catches up with a Series 1 owner.
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I worked at the Lotus factory for 15 years, two of those years 97-99; I was in the paint shop, so would have worked on that S1
I owned 3 x 1999 S1 111's (not concurrently) John so no doubt you were involved in painting those - big thank you from me mate!
@aeiouxs Thank you. Glad you enjoyed them.. I loved working there, it was more like a community than a company.. I remember once; I was standing outside having a cigarette, when an American guy came over and asked for a light. I handed him a spare lighter, and said he could keep it. We had a chat, then went back inside. Turned out he was President of Lotus USA.. It was like that, didn't matter who were or what you did, for the most part everyone had time for everyone.. We were all in the same boat
I had a stock s1 with the k series engine, best car I’ve ever driven.
Did you have head gasket problems?
wils35 yeah but I had it sorted
Strengthened head bolts??
I had S1 too (111S). Was great, so raw. Have S2 now, it's great car.
@@darrenporter1850 which one do you prefer the look of?
A real enthusiast car.
Its Lotii as discussed in the Aussie Elise forums. I was watching that Pomie series 'At home withthe Braithwates' The Matriarch bought the Lesbian daughter a yellow series one, I was instantly in love (with the Elise not the daughter) So i did some research then I discovered the Series 2! I found one in the seaside town of Rye in Southeast Victoria. It was $25K without a roadworthy certificate because it needed a new alternator. I bought it fixed it and loved it for 6 years then sold it, bought a very nice SLK350 Mercedes but there was just no comparison. I sold that and bought my second green series 2 Elise. The Lotus philosophy "add lightness".
I've had loads of cars and my S1 (tuned) is unlike anything I've driven. It is SO chuckable and rev happy. It's amazing.
Great comparison! We never got the S1 in the USA but it's finally eligible for import this year.
By the way both cars together are as heavy as one Audi TT...
Bruh
A TT is not the right car to compare a lotus to either. First of all its meant to be a car for everyday, not like the Lotus and second it's AWD wich makes it even more heavy. It's a car built for a completely different purpose what makes your comparison kind of one between apples and oranges.
@@lucaballardini1 It was an example! Sorry I have to correct myself for you. *Both cars are as heavy as one Mercedes CLA Coupe. Happy now?
It was just about the weight not any other stats
@@_127N well but a CLA coupe is a car for every day too.
Got to admit ?? I love em !! Thanks for the Review Mate !!
Bluey Sc'erri no sweat mate, thanks for watching
I had a ‘99 Supercharged S1 for 14 years, hit the brakes and it stood on its nose, changed direction like a housefly, wonderful cars
Nice video! I really like the fact that you've found two cars with similar colors. That looks very well on screen. I've only driven an s2 111R myself. Really curious what the differences with an s1 and s2 would be. Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate. The colour match was a total fluke!
Has julian assange been let out then? Hes aged but it's good to see him driving the lotus!
Man Lotus cars are the no1 raw, real and reliable drivers cars by far!
the S1 has nicer lines
It doesn`t looks that old. My 92 miata looks like a old car although I take good care of it.
Yeah, same thing here! The only thing I prefer on the S3 are the headlights.
It's definitely lost its looks, those old big eye lights looked so much better.
I have an S1 but prefer the S2 and S3 looks.
The S1 has a nicer "stance" I think. Even though it's narrower than the S2 it looks more squat on the road.
always had a soft spot for the originals
Love lotus
I've got a Series 3. Best sounding 4 ever.
Literally the car of my dreams, how I wish I could get one
Pop down to Sydney, message me when you're here and I'll see what we can line up!
Good work again Adam.. I'm loving the white shoes. 👠👟👞👢👡
Thanks mate
@@adzmorris looks similar to the Lotus you reviewed in an earlier video.. The car design has
stood the test of time, as you have.. Lol.
Old or new I take the both! ^^
Thanks
Oof that road looks wonderful. Wish I could test drive an S3 there.
S1 forever!!!
He is the Redriven channel guy now
Both getting very expensive now. Growing fast in value, for good reason.
Such a good car!!
those are some tight pants bro
They're just standard jeans from General Pants mate.
Special Race Pants to fit in the Lotus seat
Better aerodynamics.
I was to busy looking at the cars...
I thought he just had black legs
I’m a fan of S1 and would kill to own one! but the S3 has to be way more refined and the engine will transform it undoubtedly
Great review. I’d like to know what he thinks of the standard 1.6l engine.
The plural word for Lotus cars is Lotus.
Cheers!
Is that a hint of sarcasm I detect? Or have I not seen the thousands of other car presenters that pretend to mispronunciate Lotus?
Out of interest, whats the collective noun for a group of Lotus?
@@adzmorris No sarcasm. It's true. The word Lotus is used for both plural and singular for Lotus cars.
In a press release that Lotus sent out to its dealers, service centers, as well as the automotive press back in the 60s and 70s, Lotus cars explained that the plural form of Lotus would simply be Lotus.
Ah mate I know and I was totally aware of this years ago. The mispronunciation was my (clearly) feeble attempt at humour. What I've since learnt is that a few Lotus fans do not find my style of humour at all funny and I should maybe refrain from attempts at comedy and just make very serious and accurate car videos.
my dream car since high school, still don't have one
Guys with lotus helped me today
I think the S1 looks better than the S3. The S2 beats them both on looks just. But still love some S1's.
nah
I think the S2 looks best at the rear with the dual light setup. But S1 best from the front.
I own a magnolia coloured S2 and it gets so much attention because of the looks. So far all good though, it seems to be brand most people like.
agreed
@@04dram04 but... sometimes I see an S1 and like it more than S2.
MK 1's design looks pretty timeless. Design is still modern even if she's already 20 years old.
it was designed in Campogalliano by Bugatti
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2007-2008 they changed from double lights to single.Also from 5 gears to 6.
One other difference that you won't notice if you haven't driven both is the airflow. In the S1 the air goes nicely over your head, protecting the driver. In the S3 there's an annoying and uncomfortable draft down the back of your head and neck. Not nearly so nice in cool weather. Downright nasty when it's cold.
But driving a Lotus is never about the creature comforts.
Thanku lotus
As an everyday driver S2 owner, the S3 looks so much better.
Crisper lines on the front of the S3 but the S2 handles better for some weird reason
i have two the series two( 2005 111R) and the series three(2010) out of the two the series two is my preferred model
I have a 2005 series 2 with the Toyota 2ZZ-GE engine. 14 years into it, I still love that thing.
He is nearly sitting on the drivers lap haa ha haa😂😂
I tried
i wud have bought a elise long ago if it only didn't cost as much as a carbon 4c, cayman or a110. still looking for a decently priced used one.
Lotus hero helped me today to truck
Bellissime le Lotus elise , la mia preferita è la s2, ma è un gusto personale, sono la cosa più bella da guidare al mondo sempre restando nelle auto targate logicamente.
If I’d bought a Boxter back in 2001 instead of a used S1 it would have cost a third more to buy and then a third more to run and insure every year and would now be worth less than a third of what the Lotus is worth.
It’s funny that anyone would make comments on the pants after the first 30 seconds of the video - after all, it was about the car, right? LOL Great historical video, especially with a racing legend! And the jeans are just fine - like with the car, if you got the physique, flaunt it!
Billy N, thanks for supporting my choice in pant wear and an even bigger thank you for watching and enjoying the video.
Make more! You’ve done an awesome job!
I'd like to see Lotus try the flat 4 engine from the Subaru BRZ and the Toyota GT86. Lower centre of gravity, balanced and 200hp NA.
earthstick would be nice, great balance but it might be a little wide though, and it really needs more power in my opinion.
Lotus have managed to get 260 bhp out of the current one so with a bit of fettling and forced induction they should be in the realms of 300 bhp.
Like drifty said, probably too wide engine to be done.
They (Lotus) originally wanted to put a Honda engine in the Elise but Honda wanted what lotus said was too much money so the went with the K series. Apparently at the time the K series had the best power to weight ratio for the actual engine itself hence why lotus used it.
@@earthstick The current engine is the Toyota 1.8 vvtli I believe that's found in the Toyota celica.
I think lotus like to keep the Elise N/A. How much power can be had out of that 1.8 Toyota lump keeping it N/A I don't know.
What scale are those models?
full scale toys:)
Lotus Elise's have the same running gear as the MGF/TF but it's a much better car. plus it'snicer looking and more reliable than the MGF/TF since Lotus managed to iron out the bugs on the K Series engine.
what about the series two? I feel like thats the most common and the one i want some day.
We considered it but wanted the oldest we could find vs the newest. Plus there's so much info online about the series 2, we'd just be repeating what everyone has said.
1:32 too close for comfort??
Nah, Mark was very gentle with me and is a total gentleman.
Series 1 looks like a mr2 from the front
So its a Miata for rich people?
More like a mr2 for rich people
More like a Miata for a Miata owner's husband.
@@TheCharleseye There is nothing wrong with gay marriage these days😂
@@90garret Nobody said there was...
@@TheCharleseye Just trying to protect my fellow male mx5 drivers
While driving the S1, they show 2 times the left side of the S3 (see indicator) (@1.33 min & 2.56 min)...
We sure did. You must be outraged. Have you been able to sleep since realising this? We're incredibly sorry that this horrendous visual trickery has put you through such stress and anguish and we should immediately delete the video before more lives are put in danger. Kidding.
Honestly, it started pouring with rain during the shoot and we ran out of light and time to mount the cameras to the S1 to capture the onboard footage.
But does it matter? No. Does it ruin the video? No.
The fact you spotted this is to be applauded as it takes serious knowledge of the car to spot and thank you for watching the video with such concentration and detail.
@@adzmorris lmao I can taste the salt relax
I prefer the chassis design of the series two over these two
Overall design?? The actual chassis is exactly the same from Series 1 through to Series 3
I think the S2 looks the best too. Love the round lights in the S1. Yeah they toned down the S3 front a little and copied the intake shape other cars have , like it, but S1 and 2 look better.
@@adzmorris Not true they chopped a big chunk out of the sills on S2 and S3 to make them easier to get into. S1 Chassis rail is a continuous box section with no cut out.
The S1 is still my pick. Looks that hasn't aged it one bit against the S3, if anything like a fine wine the S1 is getting better with age.
Artioli wanted a cheap Ferrari.
Series 4 is looking great with the turbo and move to a V6. Great that the price is also the same and even the weight down with the move to carbon. Go Lotus. Peace to my negros.
Series one is really cute
What is the weight difference between those two?
a lot more than they imply in the video. like about 500lb difference.
Jump on the written article mate. The exact weights are published there.
About 100/200kg of the top of my head. One is a little under a ton and t'other a little over.
Gerard Montgomery nope the S1 is lighter weighs around 750-800kg and the S3 920-960kg
@@steffenkawa8374 is that dry weight or curb weight?
The plural of Lotus is Lotus!
series one design is more nice
Do I get one
What s a s1 140? Does not appear in the lotus history. S135, 111S s160 s190 but no 140.
Also, why are they shots of the s3 seal and nose while driving the s1???
Ok日本語がわかりません
Not the engine is std120 inlet and head hasn’t got the vvc mechanism.
Ok日本語がわかりません
4.26 std rover
@@fentuz definitely a standard 120 (from the exterior anyways), plastic throttle body and everything. just a "sport" Filter on.
Ok日本語がわかりません
It s not the inlet manifold that I was looking at, it s the missing vvc actuator .
This engine looks very stock but he could have a ported head which would give about 140 but it s not factory.
No more factory than mine
Sport 140 is kind of a weird Australian dealer 'special'.
Nice video but expected a bit more insight from a racing driver to be honest. Not really much about the feel and response of the steering which is the highlight of the Elise in my opinion. Nothing about the huge difference in low down torque and power of the supercharged engine vs. the rover engine which makes for quite a different driving experience, nothing about the servo assisted ABS brakes vs the non assisted brakes of the earlier car.
Though maybe I'm missing the point and this is more about the similarities than the differences...
ABS brakes shouldn't be fitted to an Elise.
That's an American thing, same as how they shouldn't be fitted with A/C.
It goes against the whole Colin Chapman thing.
But they are fitted, which means the braking is different, but it's not mentioned. My point is that in a video comparing an old and new car, the differences aren't talked about really.
I'm not sure I agree about the A/C. Some markets the Elise are sold in are hot all year around. The car can get very hot in the cabin and if there was no A/C option people wouldn't buy the car. The S1 was sold in places like Malaysia with A/C because it would be unusable without.
Lotus struggle to sell cars as it is so limiting the market by not offering concessions to comfort would be a stupid thing to do and would mean the Elise wouldn't have survived to the present day. I'd wager most Elises these days are specced with A/C. I get that it adds weight but it needs to be an option.
I use my Elise daily and on some of the hotter days of summer I've wished for A/C, even with the roof off.
@@alexsedman1 I know the ABS is fitted as standard but any true drivers car shouldn't need abs, it's for casual drivers.
I understand your point with the AC, maybe I'm being a bit selfish (Cold Britain) not thinking of hot weather places, but for me every ounce counts. I would rather sweat my nuts off TBH, plus if you have the roof off you should be getting sufficient draft from speed.
We could have made the video 3 hours long and that would have allowed to go into that extreme level of detail but we wanted to communicate the overall feel and experience that comes form both Elise and do that in less than 8 minutes. We weren't trying to point out all of the similarities or differences between each car, we just wanted to celebrate a brilliant and iconic car.
S1 for me, every single time. Time less design and super driver focused
Wisemans ferry?
Sure is
@ 6:01 (sign)
sort of like a sports bike for folk whos wife wont let them have a sports bike then
S1 more motor Honda Vtec perfect combination.
The F20 S2000 lump fits in.
That’s what I did :) 👍👍👍👍
S1 Prices are climbing steadily A car with the Rover Engine will be worth more than any engine swapped car. Best bet is to get the original engine fitted with a nice manifold and exhaust system bigger throttle body and ported head. VVC Engined Elise is the best of the S1 for road use.
FUN FACT: the Elise MK1 was designed in Italy by BUGATTI in the Campogalliano Factory, so if U have an Elise U have a Mid engine, RWD, 2 seater Bugatti... Kinda of...
FUN FACT N2: the Ligier Nova had the same interior buttons of the Elise MK1
It was designed in Norfolk by Lotus. Bugatti owned Lotus but had nothing to do with the design or development of the car. Those interior buttons were shared with that Ligier, yes, but they’re from a Peugeot 106!
Designed and Engineered by Lotus at Lotus and assembled by hand there as well even now. Can you tell I'm a fan?
yes! didn't know that about the buttons. the vents on the s2 are in the Alfa 4C and of course the Elise shares almost all the interior with Tesla Roadster.
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Tony Schute at Lotus was the Project Manager, Julian Thomson did the styling and Richard Rackham designed the chassis
The Series 1 is still one of the prettiest cars ever... but change those pants man, tights don't work on guys!!!!
Actually they're called jeans. They're very popular. These ones are Lee Z-Ones in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world.
And yes, the Series 1 just works visually so well.
@@adzmorris They might be popular. But they look hideous
Angus terry bsbby and lotus now
flanny and tights!?
It's called style mate, you should give a shot sometime.
The jeans are Lee Z-One in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world. The shirt is a Gitman Vintage and also available from The Iconic, Modern Classic, Somewhere and a host of other stores that carry the best in fashion.
THAT'S where Julian Assange got to!
Not really much of a comparison video.
That would be because it's not a comparison video.
LS swap
Jk
That's a Hennessy Venom.
Keep it British, TVR speed 12. 750-800bhp N/A.
Hi Ned kelly blue jumper hero
The only other car that offers what? I’m pretty sure Mazda offers that car.
Series 1 will always be, and is the best series.
He looks and talks like Julian Assange.
he's wearing leggings
No no they're called jeans. Manufactured by Lee Jeans and made of denim. Very popular pants and the ones I'm wearing in the video are their Z-One in a 32 in Onyx Black and are available at General Pants, Myer, David Jones, The Iconic, JustJeans and a host of other clothing retailers around the world.
They're extremely comfortable, wear really well and are great quality plus you'll look quite cool and fashionable, clearly something that would be a new experience for you.
Mk1 is a lovely one with fish’s eyes, Mk2 has frog silhouette and Mk3 sucks...just kidding
Christ this is dull
Sorry mate, we did our best with extremely limited production time. We'll try to add some explosions and a helicopter next time.
A.K Morris bruh I meant the car! Lol. For real though, shame lotus can’t innovate like other car makers. I had a 2016 model and the build quality is a joke. And no, the handling does not make up for it, it is really that bad. Crap engine, leaky doors and terrible paint. I sold mine and got a Porsche. 1000 times better. Just as good handling, a little pricey but quality on another planet. Sorry lotus. Your days are over. This German dude is going native. Peace.
S1 forever!!