@@Fayem718just ordered mine from bestbuy brand new for 399. I don't play anything more intense than Diablo 4. Mainly indie games (dysmantle,risk of rain 2, American fugitive, stranded sails etc) how's your experience with it?
The Z1 is $399. At this price point its worth it. It was able to run GTA 5 and Cyber punk. Not the best quality but very playable at 73 fps which is decent . In my opinion its Worth it. Im getting the Z1 version.
I bought this Z1 Non Extreme version on eBay for $345 in perfect condition. I don't need a powerful handheld for emulation or playing some USFIV. I actually use this as a Plex Server as well. lol. I know there are Mini PCs for cheap to use as a Plex Server, but for portability this is what I'm looking for.
Black Friday 2024, just picked it up for $349, at that price for my needs its super worth it and a no brainer. I already have a beast of a gaming PC for AAA. I plan on using it for emulation and my chill Indie and laid back farming games. The extreme is also on sale for $499 but couldn't justify the extra $150 since I already have a gaming PC. With that much of a price gap now, it makes the non extreme much more appealing.
I’ve never been more confident saying the Z1 is not worth the downgrade. Give it 6 months and they’ll be selling it for $400-500 then take it out of production.
@@WickedGamerCollectorI won't buy this even for $400 Steamdeck is so good value now Im hodling on to mind after upgrade to 1tb in march with dualboot Looking fwd to ryzen 8000 APU nxtyear
@@HuntaKiller91so rather than getting better performance than the deck for the same price you would buy the deck? I'm not rooting for this device it's value sucks but for 400 it's worth
Straight up, the Z1 Model is an up sale trap. If you can afford $600USD odds are good you can probably afford to wait a bit and buy the Z1E Model. You're going to be sorely tempted to do this, or at least this is the hope of Asus. But there's a problem for Asus. The Z1 chip, by Asus's own admission from months ago, stated that the Z1 chip trades blows with the Steam Deck, which, if true, kind of removes the Ally's biggest advantage over the Steam Deck. So in this situation a potential Ally customer could be either up saled to the Z1E Model or down saled to one of the cheaper option Steam Decks and away from Asus. It really comes down to the mindset of the customer. If they can easily afford another hundred bucks they'll probably be up saled to the Z1E Model, but then again, if they could easily afford the Z1E model, then they probably were never even remotely considering the Z1 Model to begin with. If on the other hand you can't afford anything more than $600USD, then even if the Z1 Model is more consistently better in performance, it's still going to be closer in performance to the Steam Deck than the Z1E Model, thus the Steam Deck is going to be that much more competitive against the Z1 Model than the Z1E Model.
My sons mother and I are gifting him my 512gb Steam Deck, and i just purchased the Z1 Rog Ally from Best Buy for $399.99 and I love it, I loved my Steam Deck also, but the performance increase is good and the keyboard in windows is a breath of fresh air, and they patched the sd car issue with and Rog Ally made after July. $399 was a great deal
It's using the Z1 which uses 2 Zen 4 cores and 4 zen 4c cores. The reason the flag ship and the z1 have such a gap in shaders count is because they are 2 entirely different dies.
In my country, Z1 is 200bugs cheaper than Z1 extreme, and im seriously thinking about buying one as my main portable emulation device for PS2/Gamecube games
In my country the Z1 extreme cost exactly the same as a steamdeck with only 64GB SSD. No brainer for me especially because it runs the full scope of games on steam and not just the linux ver
@@ETAPRIME Well they COULD - it's ASUS, not a newish company like Aya. But they won't because hand over fist, increasing profits are the only thing that drives them. Not customer satisfaction.
If this was priced at around maybe $449-$499 then I think the cheaper option would be more worth it but for only $100.00 more it’s totally worth getting the Z1 extreme version.
I actually just bought one of these today because I’ve used only Xbox and always wanted to check out a pc but there was just so many different options and specs to choose from but in my opinion for 400 bucks I think it’s gonna be a big game changer for me
Prices for the ROG Ally in Europe are ridiculous. The Z1 Extreme Version costs about 850$ (converted from Euro). It will be dead on arrival if the Z1 version will cost around 750$ with a weaker GPU than the Steam Deck.
@@chriswright8074 Time Spy: Z1 1474 Points Steam Deck ~1650 Points Between Zen2 and Zen3 ~10% uplift. The Gen on Gen improvement won't make up for amount of less gpu cores.
@@mmert138 That's what I was thinking about. How are you gonna say the Z1 Ally should cost "slightly more than the Steam Deck" and then say $349-$399 like that price isn't BELOW or exactly the same price of the Steam Deck.
@@stevepogue1124 oh my bad I didn't know the MSRP for the steam deck cuz my country doesn't have it, there's only resellers selling it. I'll edit my comment
This channel only makes advertisements, not reviews. Every product is always perfect with a great gaming performance. Half the FPS for a 100$ discount makes this useless, but this wouldn't fit the "theme" of the channel.
@@crewmaster6014 lmao so true "every product is always perfect with a great gaming performance" I bet this thing could get like 30 fps in an snes game and he'd be like, "it gets a comfortable stable frame rate in snes, perfect emulation device"
Interesting. Maybe 6 cores is where it's at for a handheld form factor. 6 considerably higher clocked cores will always be better than 8 lower clocked, for our purposes anyway.
I would love to see a head to head with the z1 extreme limited to 6 cores and 12 threads I feel like the gpu would really be able to stretch its legs please do a video comparing the z1 and z1 extreme with only 6 cores 12 threads on both devices maybe the z1 extreme would clock the gpu higher with more power being allowed to be allocated with cpu cores disabled
The fact that ROG Ally Z 1 Extreme is regularly marked down to under $600 (Best Buy open box) buying this model seems kind of pointless. Now when this model starts getting those hefty mark downs, then it would be interesting to look at
Update, I saw this as low as $400 new at Best buy after steam deck lowered their LCD prices for the OLED. But this is still only worth it if you can always have it plugged in since the battery life is pretty bad
I have the z1 extreme. And i love it. I also have the steamdeck.... I know pointless to have both. But i love tech, and may have problems. Lol I will say the rog ally is a beast. An runs anything you throw at it. The screen is the difference for me.
I'm gonna pick this up and I know some people are gonna say some stuff about "just get a steam deck" I already have a midrange gaming laptop. This is basically something I'm gonna play at work and while I travel or in bed. All of those things have access to a wall outlet. I don't need 90 fps on ultra high settings. I'll take low settings, 720p and 60 fps any day. All I'm doing is playing older games like tomb raider, halo, maybeeee a few matches of MW3 for weapon xp along with emulation. This seems perfect for that imo.
I was eyeing these for quite some time, yesterday black Friday sales started popping up and I managed to snag this for about 450 before tax. Going to use it for my indie games mostly. excited to get my hands on it.
I think the overall configuration of the base Z1 really shows that it was never meant as a handheld gaming APU and that it is just a laptop APU branded, honestly the same goes for the Z1 extreme for that matter, for handheld gaming it should have been a 6 core 8CUs for the base model and 6 cores 12CUs for the extreme model as the extra CPU cores really aren't doing anything for gaming performance. What we need a real Van Gogh successor that's tuned to run well at 10W TDP.
I agree, but there seems to be a myth that you need more than 4 or 6 cores for gaming when really most games still don't use more than 1 or 2 for the most part. Even when that isn't the case beyond 4 cores the performance diminishes. Really these stupid decisions come down to marketing and ignorance. Because we all know that more cpu cores equals better performance in games...
Now at $399 I think it’s worth it huh? I just got one myself and I’m still pondering whether I’m keeping it. I will watch some more videos and tweak it, but so far so good. It’s only $60 more than the Odin 2 and it does so much more. So it could be an option to run everything emulation and do some light AAA games.
Guys what do you think, where i live the prices are: Ally Z1 2500PLN SteamDeck OLED 2600PLN Ally Z1 Extreme 3300PLN The normal Z1 seems like the best choice but i cant find performance comparisons with the steam deck. I know the OLED has a much nicer display and battery life is gonna be way better but allys 120hz is 120hz and i just cant find any performance comparisons please help guys.
One cool thing about that ROG Ally is that it is reportedly the first consumer product to use Zen 4c cores. The AMD Z1 has 2 Zen 4 cores + 4 Zen 4c cores (which AMD hardly ever mentions). That might explain CPU benchmark differences because the 4c cores are pretty much as fast as the bigger cores (unlike Intel's E-cores), but more efficient and generating less heat. So I guess the 4c cores are just giving the Z1 a huge efficiency advantage.
@@acwbit2368 It would be cool if ETA could confirm this. Quoting Tom's Hardware: "HWiNFO, a system information, monitoring, and diagnostics utility, confirms that the Ryzen Z1, codenamed Phoenix 2, is on the PHX2-A0 stepping. It differs from AMD's Ryzen 7040U series (Phoenix) with the PHX-A1 stepping. The Ryzen Z1 has been rumored to be a clone of the Ryzen 5 7540U for a long time now." Phoenix 2 is known for being 2 Zen 4 cores + 4 Zen 4c cores.
@@chriswright8074 you better learn the difference between zen4 and rnda3, don’t mix them up together. You can check the details about Z1E, Z1, 7840u and 7640u in AMD official website.
Lineup should have been 6 core 12 CU Z1, 8 core 16 CU Z1 Extreme. For the current state of performance and pricing, there's no reason for this to exist.
They should have just made it a 720p 120hz screen and took out the RGB amd make it around $450. At this rate I'd recommend a low tier steam deck to friends and mod it if they want to save money since this is 30% less in performance than the steam deck and costs roughly $200 more. IDR the steam deck price cuts but ATM its get the steam deck or get the Z1 Extreme.
Could just be me, but at 4:37, your 15Watt TDP test doesn't look right. The Ryzen Z1 power plan says Turbo, which might explain the slightly higher score compared to the Z1 Extreme.
I ordered the z1 last night for $400. The one thing I’m most worried about is, will it be able to run monster hunter wilds next year? If that’s the case I’m completely happy with the purchase, if not I may take it back
Nothing here is surprising in terms of the cpu performance. Usually the AMD 6 core chips work better in the mobile scenario. So you have less heat and higher clocks at the same wattage... The extreme cut down of the iGPU cores is the only reason the 8 core chip is decent. If they made a 6c version with 12 RDNA3 cores; it would be the fastest chip overall.
I don't know what is the purpose of a 120 hz screen on an igpu handheld. I think to lower the budget they can really save a 50$ on a 60 hz one . You can say that lol or cs needs more frame but without a mouse i don't think it's competitive.
That price is still a bit too high imo, if this was priced same or just slightly above the starter 64gb Steam deck ($399-$450), then i would say its pretty good
Best Buy lowered the price even more to $450. Great price though I see open box z1 extremes for $499... Might switch mine out, but I dont play triple A titles when im out, just emulations and older games.
@derrickdavis862 I just grabbed one of the Z1's yesterday and it's going to be delivered tomorrow. Would have went for the extreme but I honestly just wanna use it for indies and emulation on the go.
Were both devices on the same driver version? If the Z1 has a newer driver, I'd be curious if that might mean driver optimizations are incoming for the extreme.
Is it possible that this was supposed to come out at the same time as the Z1 extreme to give customers a slightly cheaper variant? But something happened in production that delayed it?
@@ghostsauce3109 Because it's using a different die all together. Those 6 cores aren't all the same. This APU uses a combination of Zen 4 and Zen 4c cores.
Z1 non extreme open box from best buy is under 400 and xg mobile 4090 open box under 1900. Combination will give you 4k 60+ on modern triple A ganes at lowest cost per watt and easy to do if you aren't into building a pc. This will replace a dedktop and be better than dedktop 4070 and comparable if not a little behind a desktop 4080. The key is ease of configuring the set up and low power draw.
You might also be lucky with that Z1 chip with both so high CPU benchmark scores and it does also do 300 MHz higher for the GPU. It will be interesting to see if others have similar results.
The distance to the Steam Deck wasn't that drastic for the Z1 extreme in many games. So this is a no-go IMHO. If you want to save money and get a great machine, you'll chose the 64gb Steam Deck at 377 EURs right now. If you want more and money is a non-issue for you, you get one of the Ayaneo devices, because they are simply better. For me the ROG ally sits in the uncomfortable middle ground. For some that's the "best bang for the buck", but to me it's neither cheap enough to be an easy buy, nor powerful/high quality enough to be that premium option. I'd still chose the Steam Deck for its console like experience and ease of use.
would not touch any of those expensive go fund me devices - lack of support, lack of drivers etc etc. id only touch handhelds from lenovo, nintendo, valve or Asus at this point. not to mention they bring out a new one like 3 times a week lol
@@Futura2500 Asus hasn't really delivered in terms of software either though. Let's see if Lenovo does better. Right now... only Valve and Nintendo really care about the user experience enough.
@@Futura2500 As somebody that's bought over 1800 Lenovo X1 and X12's - (corporate IT manager) and have handled over a dozen myself personally. All i can say is if the warranty handling, service and long delivery times plus and the complete lack of anything in the BIOS of these "professional laptops" is any indication ? Stay the heck away from Lenovo.
bravo you made my day..... this is the sam as rally cars if you want more power its not enough toput in a stronger motor but you hve to remade the whole car....
@@hls30000 yea but they coulda just parked them off a faulty z1 extreme. Amd re-purpose's poor yielding chips often. I speculate these are just asus' way of dumping stock while also creating a want for the extreme upgrade by pricing them so close.
@@lexisnothereIt's a COMPLETELY different chip. The Z1 Extreme uses Phoneix which is 8 cores 16 threads and 12 rdna 3 CU's. However, the base model uses Z1, and that uses Phoneix 2. The specs are 2 zen 4 cores, 4 zen 4c cores, and that's how they get their misleading 6 cores and 12 threads. Which is true, but not all 6 cores are the same, like they are with the normal Phoneix die (Z1 Extreme). The other difference is that Z1 (Phoneix 2) caps out at 4 rdna 3 CU's so that lower end Rog Ally Z1 handheld is actually a full die product.
What else would you like to see running on the Z1 version?
The SD card.
Mortal Kombat 1.
God of war, elden ring, MW2 or warzone and starfield.
I want to see how G-helper (3rd party armoury crate replacement) works underclocking/undervolting this.
You still working on the Aya neo pocket air can you please show some DMC 3 and FF8
This model would have made more sense with a 720p screen and about 400-450 price.
agreed
Would lose vrr which is pretty important
@@kennethfernandez1294they gotta do this or Microsoft won't pay Asus anymore
Yup, 100 dollar difference is not that much.
Have to upsell the higher end variant somehow
I just picked this up for 339 dollars. At that price I would say it's worth it.
Im thinking of buying one at $399. Do you recommend it ?
@@EvilRyosuke I do recommend it. Just know that you won't be playing modern triple A games at 60 frames per second.
@Fayem718 which games are you playing?
Where did u but it at
@@Fayem718just ordered mine from bestbuy brand new for 399. I don't play anything more intense than Diablo 4. Mainly indie games (dysmantle,risk of rain 2, American fugitive, stranded sails etc) how's your experience with it?
The Z1 is $399. At this price point its worth it. It was able to run GTA 5 and Cyber punk. Not the best quality but very playable at 73 fps which is decent . In my opinion its Worth it. Im getting the Z1 version.
I got the z1 and it's great so far. What settings do you use for GTA to achieve 73 fps
You got 73fps on cyberpunk? What settings did you use
@@muhammadmq5387 all low settings with turbo mode
It is almost hitting 80fps in Cyberpunk. I dont' understand all the hate.
I bought this Z1 Non Extreme version on eBay for $345 in perfect condition. I don't need a powerful handheld for emulation or playing some USFIV. I actually use this as a Plex Server as well. lol. I know there are Mini PCs for cheap to use as a Plex Server, but for portability this is what I'm looking for.
Black Friday 2024, just picked it up for $349, at that price for my needs its super worth it and a no brainer. I already have a beast of a gaming PC for AAA. I plan on using it for emulation and my chill Indie and laid back farming games. The extreme is also on sale for $499 but couldn't justify the extra $150 since I already have a gaming PC. With that much of a price gap now, it makes the non extreme much more appealing.
I’ve never been more confident saying the Z1 is not worth the downgrade. Give it 6 months and they’ll be selling it for $400-500 then take it out of production.
Good point you have there.
Find that 100 dollar different also weird.
Make it 200 or more.
@@WickedGamerCollectorI won't buy this even for $400
Steamdeck is so good value now
Im hodling on to mind after upgrade to 1tb in march with dualboot
Looking fwd to ryzen 8000 APU nxtyear
@@HuntaKiller91so rather than getting better performance than the deck for the same price you would buy the deck? I'm not rooting for this device it's value sucks but for 400 it's worth
Straight up, the Z1 Model is an up sale trap. If you can afford $600USD odds are good you can probably afford to wait a bit and buy the Z1E Model. You're going to be sorely tempted to do this, or at least this is the hope of Asus.
But there's a problem for Asus. The Z1 chip, by Asus's own admission from months ago, stated that the Z1 chip trades blows with the Steam Deck, which, if true, kind of removes the Ally's biggest advantage over the Steam Deck.
So in this situation a potential Ally customer could be either up saled to the Z1E Model or down saled to one of the cheaper option Steam Decks and away from Asus. It really comes down to the mindset of the customer. If they can easily afford another hundred bucks they'll probably be up saled to the Z1E Model, but then again, if they could easily afford the Z1E model, then they probably were never even remotely considering the Z1 Model to begin with.
If on the other hand you can't afford anything more than $600USD, then even if the Z1 Model is more consistently better in performance, it's still going to be closer in performance to the Steam Deck than the Z1E Model, thus the Steam Deck is going to be that much more competitive against the Z1 Model than the Z1E Model.
@@HuntaKiller91Valve said there's gonna be a Ryzen 8000 for the Steam Deck next year?!
My sons mother and I are gifting him my 512gb Steam Deck, and i just purchased the Z1 Rog Ally from Best Buy for $399.99 and I love it, I loved my Steam Deck also, but the performance increase is good and the keyboard in windows is a breath of fresh air, and they patched the sd car issue with and Rog Ally made after July. $399 was a great deal
Have you noticed a performance increase over the deck on the standard Z1 version?
I just ordered this model for $400 at Best Buy, reading this made me very glad! 👍🏽
Can the z1 play triple A titles like cod, GOW, spiderman, Hogwarts, etc ?
@@miggyspain3218yes
It's a shame that the Z1 base only has such a drastic reduction in CU count for the GPU. A 8CU variant would have been nice for this.
It's using the Z1 which uses 2 Zen 4 cores and 4 zen 4c cores. The reason the flag ship and the z1 have such a gap in shaders count is because they are 2 entirely different dies.
In my country, Z1 is 200bugs cheaper than Z1 extreme, and im seriously thinking about buying one as my main portable emulation device for PS2/Gamecube games
This, I have a Z1 extreme as my home portable device and i got another Z1 as a portable console only for my GameCube/PS2 roms
In my country the Z1 extreme cost exactly the same as a steamdeck with only 64GB SSD. No brainer for me especially because it runs the full scope of games on steam and not just the linux ver
They kept the micro sd slot in the same spot AINT NO WAY
Bro acts like every one had that issue
@@JohnnyNewport No I act like it's a wide spread well known issue. Clearly you know of it as well.
Many of us have never had this issue AINT NO WAY
@@jponz85 Hilarious but true 🤣
@@jponz85🤣🤣
This version is pointless unless they lower the price a lot more.
Agreed.
They couldn’t ever hit it but at $299 this would have been an awesome option
@@ETAPRIMEI would say able $399
@@ETAPRIMEthat price makes way more sense for this performance point.
@@ETAPRIME Well they COULD - it's ASUS, not a newish company like Aya. But they won't because hand over fist, increasing profits are the only thing that drives them. Not customer satisfaction.
if the price was a little cheapper with an cheaper 60hz 720p painel, this could be better choice
Just run it at 720p lol
If this was priced at around maybe $449-$499 then I think the cheaper option would be more worth it but for only $100.00 more it’s totally worth getting the Z1 extreme version.
Got mine for 449 at bestbuy
399$ best buy
@@B3nG420299 now lol
I can't believe this was once above $400. I got one.
I actually just bought one of these today because I’ve used only Xbox and always wanted to check out a pc but there was just so many different options and specs to choose from but in my opinion for 400 bucks I think it’s gonna be a big game changer for me
I just want a handheld console that can play mods
I think the Z1 is just as good as the steam deck in handheld mode and better in dock mode
Can you test the sd card slot under load? Apparently, this area on the Ally has been failing a lot for users.
Prices for the ROG Ally in Europe are ridiculous. The Z1 Extreme Version costs about 850$ (converted from Euro).
It will be dead on arrival if the Z1 version will cost around 750$ with a weaker GPU than the Steam Deck.
Z1 is rnda 3 with zen 4c steam decks is weak with zen 2
@@chriswright8074 yep generally i would say the deck is on way out
@@Futura2500 exactly and steam still struggling playing some games that ally doesn't
@@chriswright8074 Time Spy:
Z1 1474 Points
Steam Deck ~1650 Points
Between Zen2 and Zen3 ~10% uplift. The Gen on Gen improvement won't make up for amount of less gpu cores.
If this z1 model costed slightly more than the steam deck, maybe around $449 or $499, it'd be a strong competitor that many would consider
That's literally the same price of the Deck.
Steam Deck cheapest model is 400 dollars.
@@mmert138 That's what I was thinking about. How are you gonna say the Z1 Ally should cost "slightly more than the Steam Deck" and then say $349-$399 like that price isn't BELOW or exactly the same price of the Steam Deck.
@@stevepogue1124 oh my bad I didn't know the MSRP for the steam deck cuz my country doesn't have it, there's only resellers selling it. I'll edit my comment
Yea, I got this model for 450$ on Black Friday. We will see how it goes!
It would be useful to add a chart to see the fps between z1 extreme and steam deck
This channel only makes advertisements, not reviews. Every product is always perfect with a great gaming performance.
Half the FPS for a 100$ discount makes this useless, but this wouldn't fit the "theme" of the channel.
@@crewmaster6014 lmao so true "every product is always perfect with a great gaming performance" I bet this thing could get like 30 fps in an snes game and he'd be like, "it gets a comfortable stable frame rate in snes, perfect emulation device"
@@crewmaster6014 you are right, all videos are the same here....
Interesting. Maybe 6 cores is where it's at for a handheld form factor. 6 considerably higher clocked cores will always be better than 8 lower clocked, for our purposes anyway.
4 cores with newer architecture and good optimization can also go the distance
Not if you want to get good mileage out of rpcs3. Otherwise, sure. Well, also not really for some modern games like spider man.@@darkdiablo1601
In India, Z1 extreme version was launched at ₹70,000 including taxes. It's about $870 if I'm not wrong. Z1 edition wasn't launched here.
我们买也一样不便宜！Z1 极致版
Kinda same in Europe
Got one for 320 open box from Best buy 😊
same! It’s in perfect condition for the price
Man if they would have given the gpu like 8cu’s this thing would have really shook things up
I would love to see a head to head with the z1 extreme limited to 6 cores and 12 threads I feel like the gpu would really be able to stretch its legs please do a video comparing the z1 and z1 extreme with only 6 cores 12 threads on both devices maybe the z1 extreme would clock the gpu higher with more power being allowed to be allocated with cpu cores disabled
They never made an emulation video for the z1 non extreme to this day
The fact that ROG Ally Z 1 Extreme is regularly marked down to under $600 (Best Buy open box) buying this model seems kind of pointless. Now when this model starts getting those hefty mark downs, then it would be interesting to look at
Facts
This model is constantly on sale for 399 new. Seen as low as 299 open box. Just ordered it a few hours ago. Can't wait!
Update, I saw this as low as $400 new at Best buy after steam deck lowered their LCD prices for the OLED. But this is still only worth it if you can always have it plugged in since the battery life is pretty bad
I have the z1 extreme. And i love it. I also have the steamdeck.... I know pointless to have both. But i love tech, and may have problems. Lol
I will say the rog ally is a beast. An runs anything you throw at it. The screen is the difference for me.
I'm gonna pick this up and I know some people are gonna say some stuff about "just get a steam deck" I already have a midrange gaming laptop. This is basically something I'm gonna play at work and while I travel or in bed. All of those things have access to a wall outlet. I don't need 90 fps on ultra high settings. I'll take low settings, 720p and 60 fps any day. All I'm doing is playing older games like tomb raider, halo, maybeeee a few matches of MW3 for weapon xp along with emulation. This seems perfect for that imo.
I was eyeing these for quite some time, yesterday black Friday sales started popping up and I managed to snag this for about 450 before tax. Going to use it for my indie games mostly. excited to get my hands on it.
Let's go💪... been waiting for this.
5:15 Not sure what went wrong here, but the z1 extreme gets 2500/10500 points in 25W mode.
I think the overall configuration of the base Z1 really shows that it was never meant as a handheld gaming APU and that it is just a laptop APU branded, honestly the same goes for the Z1 extreme for that matter, for handheld gaming it should have been a 6 core 8CUs for the base model and 6 cores 12CUs for the extreme model as the extra CPU cores really aren't doing anything for gaming performance. What we need a real Van Gogh successor that's tuned to run well at 10W TDP.
I agree, but there seems to be a myth that you need more than 4 or 6 cores for gaming when really most games still don't use more than 1 or 2 for the most part. Even when that isn't the case beyond 4 cores the performance diminishes. Really these stupid decisions come down to marketing and ignorance. Because we all know that more cpu cores equals better performance in games...
It’s because it’s running windows that all those cores are needed to run the endless amount of background programs that it doesn’t need.
Now at $399 I think it’s worth it huh? I just got one myself and I’m still pondering whether I’m keeping it. I will watch some more videos and tweak it, but so far so good. It’s only $60 more than the Odin 2 and it does so much more. So it could be an option to run everything emulation and do some light AAA games.
Can you tell me where and how you got your wallpapers that you have on during the review??
It’s $399.99 right now.
Guys what do you think, where i live the prices are: Ally Z1 2500PLN
SteamDeck OLED 2600PLN
Ally Z1 Extreme 3300PLN
The normal Z1 seems like the best choice but i cant find performance comparisons with the steam deck. I know the OLED has a much nicer display and battery life is gonna be way better but allys 120hz is 120hz and i just cant find any performance comparisons please help guys.
Gracias por toda la información amigo, hay pocos videos con esta información acerca de la nueva Asus menos potente. Saludos!
Picked this up for 350$ at target today brand new!
One cool thing about that ROG Ally is that it is reportedly the first consumer product to use Zen 4c cores. The AMD Z1 has 2 Zen 4 cores + 4 Zen 4c cores (which AMD hardly ever mentions). That might explain CPU benchmark differences because the 4c cores are pretty much as fast as the bigger cores (unlike Intel's E-cores), but more efficient and generating less heat. So I guess the 4c cores are just giving the Z1 a huge efficiency advantage.
Source?
@@acwbit2368 It would be cool if ETA could confirm this. Quoting Tom's Hardware: "HWiNFO, a system information, monitoring, and diagnostics utility, confirms that the Ryzen Z1, codenamed Phoenix 2, is on the PHX2-A0 stepping. It differs from AMD's Ryzen 7040U series (Phoenix) with the PHX-A1 stepping. The Ryzen Z1 has been rumored to be a clone of the Ryzen 5 7540U for a long time now." Phoenix 2 is known for being 2 Zen 4 cores + 4 Zen 4c cores.
@@acwbit2368 lots of sources online quick Google search comes up with multiple hits
@@acwbit2368I belive this came from a Moores Law is Dead leak. He mentioned in a recent video how this model uses zen4c. No other proof though
dont think you know what you are talking about
So is it worth it now at 399.99? I’m thinking on pulling the plug. I want it more so older games and switch titles . On the fence lol
I got my z1 extreme open box for $503. I also saw a non extreme for $303. I recommend trying to find an open box deal similar to these.
Z1E is nearly the same as 7840u. However Z1 gpu has only 4CU which is only half as 7640u 8CU, it is totally a joke.
Your highly uneducated z1 is a is hybrid CPU 2 zen 4 cores and 4 zen 4c cores with smt
@@chriswright8074 you better learn the difference between zen4 and rnda3, don’t mix them up together. You can check the details about Z1E, Z1, 7840u and 7640u in AMD official website.
Its priced at 399 currently June 2024. How it shouldve been priced at releasd
even Z1 extreme cant handle that 1080p 120hz :) this version and price is just funny !
Bought the Extreme for $450, local Best Buy is having a sale.
I value performance over looks, if they cut down on that area a lot more and make this more affordable, this wouldnt be so pointless.
Where's the Pocket Air emulation showcase? :(
Lineup should have been 6 core 12 CU Z1, 8 core 16 CU Z1 Extreme. For the current state of performance and pricing, there's no reason for this to exist.
Its around $300 on best buy open box, not bad
I recently got the extreme model for $601 open box. Best of both worlds lol
It’s got someone else’s booger stuck inside somewhere
@@ImUrZaddy Bonus!
do you mind sharing where you can get the desktop backgrounds you're using? they look awesome.
I got the Z1 version open box for 329 us at Best Buy… is it worth it at all?
how is it? do you like it?
They should have just made it a 720p 120hz screen and took out the RGB amd make it around $450. At this rate I'd recommend a low tier steam deck to friends and mod it if they want to save money since this is 30% less in performance than the steam deck and costs roughly $200 more. IDR the steam deck price cuts but ATM its get the steam deck or get the Z1 Extreme.
Surprised they are even bothering releasing this especially after the Legion Handheld Unit
Could just be me, but at 4:37, your 15Watt TDP test doesn't look right. The Ryzen Z1 power plan says Turbo, which might explain the slightly higher score compared to the Z1 Extreme.
FPS & Power Chart Comparison between these two please..
On first version all micro sd card reader burning 🔥 let’s see if they fixed…
If they put a 720p or 900p screen on this with a 60hz panel this will actually be amazing at like a $399 price Range
900p doesnt translate well on 16:9
Thing is….vrr 120hz screens are cheap. I dont know why they cant just make this device cost $450 instead.
Don’t have a problem with it at all 1080p
I ordered the z1 last night for $400. The one thing I’m most worried about is, will it be able to run monster hunter wilds next year? If that’s the case I’m completely happy with the purchase, if not I may take it back
I think this is the best value, especially since they got these things going in the low 300 range now.
Nothing here is surprising in terms of the cpu performance. Usually the AMD 6 core chips work better in the mobile scenario. So you have less heat and higher clocks at the same wattage... The extreme cut down of the iGPU cores is the only reason the 8 core chip is decent.
If they made a 6c version with 12 RDNA3 cores; it would be the fastest chip overall.
Best Buy open box on the extreme is also similar price
Best Buy has had this on sale a lot for $399!!! You think it’s worth it at that price?
You can change Vram from armoury crate itself since a couple months ago. No need to get into bios.
So it's basically old Vega Graphics performance, but better battery life?
way better then vega and it has frame generation
SD Card reader any more shielded?
I prefer the Steam Deck over the Z1. Better pricing. For more $$$ just get the extreme, no point in the downgraded model
I don't know what is the purpose of a 120 hz screen on an igpu handheld.
I think to lower the budget they can really save a 50$ on a 60 hz one .
You can say that lol or cs needs more frame but without a mouse i don't think it's competitive.
That price is still a bit too high imo, if this was priced same or just slightly above the starter 64gb Steam deck ($399-$450), then i would say its pretty good
It’s not expensive you’re just poor
I think $500 is fine. $400 is too low especially since it still has a 512gb SSD
@@itzdcxthey didn't say expensive, they said too high
They can't because they don't have a store lmao deck looses money on every sold deck and get it back from steam
Looking forward to the emulation video. 💯
Do u have a video on the Lenovo Legion Go?
It’s 399 now a TV Best Buy which makes it a pretty good sell
Do the emulation video of this model please!
The Z1 already dropped 100€. So, Z1 Extreme: 799€ retail Pricing and Z1: 599. So that‘s a good price for this.
Best Buy lowered the price even more to $450. Great price though I see open box z1 extremes for $499... Might switch mine out, but I dont play triple A titles when im out, just emulations and older games.
@derrickdavis862 I just grabbed one of the Z1's yesterday and it's going to be delivered tomorrow. Would have went for the extreme but I honestly just wanna use it for indies and emulation on the go.
@@PeculiarVisitorIt’s perfect for emulation. I’m running the YUZU switch emulator at full speed at 25 watts. I think it’s honestly more than enough.
@@derrickdavis862 Can it run PS3 and PS4 games?
Were both devices on the same driver version? If the Z1 has a newer driver, I'd be curious if that might mean driver optimizations are incoming for the extreme.
I own the lower version z1. I got mine open box new for 340 bucks. Great value for low intensity retro games. This has been a great travel buddy.
same - does a better job than my Steam Deck AND has eGPU support
It play snes playstation 1 and 2 and dreamcast N64 and Sega Saturn and the Original Xbox and Nintendo game cube. Mame especially if it possible
Is it possible that this was supposed to come out at the same time as the Z1 extreme to give customers a slightly cheaper variant? But something happened in production that delayed it?
any word on the sd card heat issues ??
Is this z1 non extreme better than the steam deck?
Not gonna lie, all those steam deck fan boys right about this😂
And yet even this one still out performs the deck😂😂
I have the extreme
This has to be some sort of marketing scheme to get more people to get the z1 extreme
How does the Z1 (which is based on the 7640) compare to the 6800u? That big TJD handheld looks interesting which uses the 7640U at the base model.
Its not based on 76 it has 😂half the cus
The tjd would destroy this in performance
The 7640 is much closer to the 7840 than this chip is to the z1 extreme.
@@geforce5591 ofc lol 76 only has few less cus 😂 this has more than a few missing
@@ghostsauce3109 Because it's using a different die all together. Those 6 cores aren't all the same. This APU uses a combination of Zen 4 and Zen 4c cores.
Did they fix the SD card reader with this version?
Not sure, but I really doubt it. Asus would have to do a complete re-design of the device, since the card reader was placed very close to the hotspot
Z1 non extreme open box from best buy is under 400 and xg mobile 4090 open box under 1900. Combination will give you 4k 60+ on modern triple A ganes at lowest cost per watt and easy to do if you aren't into building a pc. This will replace a dedktop and be better than dedktop 4070 and comparable if not a little behind a desktop 4080. The key is ease of configuring the set up and low power draw.
I missed a direct fps comparison with the extreme. something like, this extreme is X% more expensive and the fps is X% higher at average.
the z1 is currently $400 and the z1 extreme $600
what should I do? o.o
The Z1 is garbage 4 CU's out of 12?
You might also be lucky with that Z1 chip with both so high CPU benchmark scores and it does also do 300 MHz higher for the GPU. It will be interesting to see if others have similar results.
I got this version, no complaints since i mostly play last gen games like skyrim/borderlands
Think it will run Wow?
The distance to the Steam Deck wasn't that drastic for the Z1 extreme in many games. So this is a no-go IMHO. If you want to save money and get a great machine, you'll chose the 64gb Steam Deck at 377 EURs right now. If you want more and money is a non-issue for you, you get one of the Ayaneo devices, because they are simply better. For me the ROG ally sits in the uncomfortable middle ground. For some that's the "best bang for the buck", but to me it's neither cheap enough to be an easy buy, nor powerful/high quality enough to be that premium option. I'd still chose the Steam Deck for its console like experience and ease of use.
would not touch any of those expensive go fund me devices - lack of support, lack of drivers etc etc. id only touch handhelds from lenovo, nintendo, valve or Asus at this point. not to mention they bring out a new one like 3 times a week lol
@@Futura2500 Asus hasn't really delivered in terms of software either though. Let's see if Lenovo does better. Right now... only Valve and Nintendo really care about the user experience enough.
@@Futura2500 As somebody that's bought over 1800 Lenovo X1 and X12's - (corporate IT manager) and have handled over a dozen myself personally. All i can say is if the warranty handling, service and long delivery times plus and the complete lack of anything in the BIOS of these "professional laptops" is any indication ? Stay the heck away from Lenovo.
bravo you made my day..... this is the sam as rally cars if you want more power its not enough toput in a stronger motor but you hve to remade the whole car....
So is the z1 a completely different chip or just a locked extreme that didnt yield well?
Z1 2 less cores than the extreme
@@hls30000 yea but they coulda just parked them off a faulty z1 extreme. Amd re-purpose's poor yielding chips often. I speculate these are just asus' way of dumping stock while also creating a want for the extreme upgrade by pricing them so close.
@@lexisnothereIt's a COMPLETELY different chip. The Z1 Extreme uses Phoneix which is 8 cores 16 threads and 12 rdna 3 CU's.
However, the base model uses Z1, and that uses Phoneix 2. The specs are 2 zen 4 cores, 4 zen 4c cores, and that's how they get their misleading 6 cores and 12 threads. Which is true, but not all 6 cores are the same, like they are with the normal Phoneix die (Z1 Extreme).
The other difference is that Z1 (Phoneix 2) caps out at 4 rdna 3 CU's so that lower end Rog Ally Z1 handheld is actually a full die product.
What are your thoughts on using this device for PlayStation remote play?
Did they change the SD card placement? Having it sit over the hottest part of the machine in the launch model was just insanity.
the support said, don’t use sd card and you wont face such issues.
Do you know when this one is available to pick up or order? Thanks.
What do you use for your windows wallpapers?
Z1 is perfect for 720p gaming