Time Team S09-E04 Chicksands,.Beds
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2013
- The Chicksands military base in the heart of Bedfordshire is home to the joint armed services intelligence departments. Very hush hush, as they used to say in the 1940s.
Time Team was invited there by the base commandant, Brigadier Chris Holtom, to try to discover a bit more about the history and archaeology of the officers' mess. The mess was once a part of a 13th-century monastery, run by a home-grown English order known as the Gilbertines.
The Gilbertines were no ordinary monastic order. Best known for their unusual practice of having both monks and nuns on the same site, they were the cause of both gossip and, at times, scandal.
What secrets could Time Team unveil about the nuns and monks who lived here?
Tony's first question as to how the Nuns and Monks were kept apart is quite easily answered. You always see Nuns in pairs for a reason, One Nun makes sure the other Nun don't get none!
What’s great about getting older is the forgetfulness. (Hear me out). I started watching this thinking it was an episode I had not yet seen. It wasn’t until the bit where Jenny became a nun for 24 hours did I remember that I had seen this episode a few years back. It was the only thing I remembered! So it was a joy to watch again and relearn the information. I will hopefully be back in a few years and be back in the same boat with this good episode! 😂
Oh I so agree memory lost lead to new memories.....
Oh an we are aging well,not getting older!!!!!
My husband had dementia. It made it possible for him to sit down every night with an episode of a Britcom and laugh at it again every time.
I was stationed at Chicksands from 1974 to 1976. I occasionally gave visitors tours of the priory. I am thankful the RAF Commander gave permission for this archeological dig and for the excellent presentation by the Time Team.
I remember this! They invited my class to come down and demonstrated how a dig works! Amazing experience.
My family and I stayed there for 2 weeks after our transfer from America waiting for the Air Force to provide housing for us. I was 5 years old and I can remember it like it was yesterday. I am 60 now. Living in Texas.
Amazing
Just googled Stuart Ainsworth's name. He seems to be a Professor at Chester University now.
Oh this would have been so cool to be there for this, for a couple of reasons. I was stationed there when the US Air Force commanded the base. I love it so much. I wanted to stay for additional tours but the US decided to close the base. ... Well, for us anyhow and handed back over the British. From being there I have a personal interest and connection to it. I fond this fascinating and would like to see what all else is actually under ground. The 2nd thing is that it would have been cool to meet Tony, Black Adder's own Baldrick. He didn't say once in here though that he had a cunning plan. lol
I was there and pcs'd right before it closed. Charlie Flight 6950th ESG Marburg
@@allanargamer5812 I left that July myself. I was base IM and worked in the Post Office and the NCO club too.
What a great surprise! I was stationed are RAF Chicksands during the mid to late '70s. The Officer's Mess was called "The Priory". We all knew the story of Sister Rosetta who was impregnated by one of the Canons. The tale told was that she was made to stand the the window to the left of the door and watch as the father of the child was beheaded. Then, she was walled up inside one of the window. Her tormented ghost is said to wander the grounds. Also, we were told that, during King Henry VIII's abolishing the Catholic churches and appropriating their land, he had his cavalry ride through the building via the kitchens, killing anything in their path until they broke through the front doors facing the river Flit. What a great presentation and wonderful stroll down memory lane. Job well done, indeed!
yes I was there in in 1966
You meant “cavalry”, not Calvary. I was not aware the King had cavalrymen. He certainly had soldiers, and some were mounted, but nothing resembling what you probably think of as cavalry. I think your tale needs closer research and more critical examination.
@@judeirwin2222 Thank you, so very much for taking the time to point out my spelling mistake. Unfortunately for me, my research involving this presentation is limited to the dates inclusive of my tour of duty there.
Please feel free to critically examine any information of the site on your own.
Looking forward to reading your updates.
Cheers, Dick from Vancouver.
Hmm. Post in haste, repent at leisure.
Yes. I was there 79-81. Love the memories
Is it possible to be shocked and amazed after EVERY episode?!
Yes
It gets strange when it happens after the 5 or 6th view 🤔
I worked and lived at Chicksands from 04 to 08 as part of the site security. I joined in on a paranormal investigation in Dec 05 which was brilliant! I can recommend a book by Damien O'Dell called Chicksands Priory, all about the history and how haunted it is.
Once again, always listen to Stewart.
Kate Stewart is the unsung hero of this story.
His area focus is so interesting. It would be great fun to trail behind Stewart for a number of his outings, observing and learning from his knowledge.
In certain a series of Archaeology subjects would be successful, based on his identifying "History reasons to dig"!
I would love to have him, for at least a few months, here in the USA to help me clarify several sites in Tennessee that I feel are Ancient Mounds with Archaeology untouched in place.
These would most possibly be Peoples that predate the Native Americans and are ignored by Mainstream Archaeologists because they don't fit their 19th Century Theory based Paradigm and its Timeline. Most unscientific and totally not in keeping with the "Standards of Science and Research".
*This practice will be changing as Genetic/DNA Studies are resulting in Peer Record facts that continue to bring forth the finds/fact data that place the "Paradigm" in its appropriate file of "Old Theories Proven Inaccurate".
...and this is the "tile marker" that will bring the "House of Cards" tumbling down.
This is so exciting and we will see a rush of true History Facts come through and the momentum will be exciting, a fabuous feeling of Fog Lifted for the greater Collective, including an understanding of "Who Modern Humans are, where we came from , how the Story was routed off-track, and what our Powerful Potentials truly are, how much more exists to us and our story, and a most Positive expansion of our individual Life Journey options, desires, and dreams, all most attainable.
It is a Researchers Dream, "to know facts, have a vision of their potentials, and have the "constraints removed", a freeing of the whole of humanity to be so much more , with such greater security, and confidently happy.
I truly do not over color the greater reality.
Imagine living with the freedom to have the imagination of a child in each individual's interest, Passion, and relative Creative potentials.
Only "Thoughts" prevent desires from manifesting.
Best Thoughts and Wellbeing ...
😘
Beth
Tennessee, USA
Can't be many heritage sites guarded quite as well as this one....
Phil’s laugh is so mesmerizing ❤️
Lived in Chix for 4 years. Was on holiday when they visited. Happy days...
I was stationed at RAF Chicksands with the US Air Force from 1984 to 1986 and spent a fair amount of time in and around the Priory.
I actually LIVED in the Priory for about three months -- the first week ALONE (mid 60's). My fellow officers would, at the downstairs bar, cheerfully fill me in on all of the ghost tales and go home to their nice warm hearths leaving me to climb up to my room accompanied only by my imagination.
What fun can a Monk have? Nun!
If B.S. Johnson put in that HaHa, you could lose a brigade in it. Readers of Terry Pratchett will know what I mean.
😁
@@grannyweatherwax9666 , Wonderful to meet, even at a distance, two more Pratchett fans!
Or have one very confused trout …
!!!!!
It sounds like that poor girl that got pregnant had such traumatic treatment when it was discovered and was then starved so much that she miscarried and then was fed so little that she started hallucinating and lost enough weight that her shackles finally fell off her. That is truly horrific.
That is probably due to the hyper-ventilated modern re-readings of a rather commonplace seduction .. and its punishment. In fact, the real scandal at the time was not the imprisonment and diet (these were exceptionally mild responses), rather the castration with a decidedly pagan Greek chorus. The Gilbertine lay brothers and sisters were notorious for their hot tempers .. and their demands for better pay and work conditions (too much salmon and not enough holidays).
The saddest part is, of course, that the girl must indeed have miscarried .. though bread and water are unlikely to have induced either that or hallucinations. Shock and dismay, lack of medical attention and cell-fever conditions are more likely uppermost among the causes. What would have troubled their peers most would have been the swift and easy rehabilitation of both the seducer and the seduced - dreams, and blessings, and reconciliations being the context - sexual abuse dressed up as love, for such it is, was treated a great deal more severely back then.
But then that ruins a good story.
I saw the ghost of her she didn’t just walk away she just stared at me riding my bike
@@TheLeonhamm OUCH!
@@TheLeonhamm It doesn't seem to me that you can claim sexual abuse rather than love-- or realistically desire. The girl was forced into this religious prison, as Robin stated she did not seem to have strong religious convictions. She and the canon had a relationship of some kind which is normal, and acted on it which is normal. The abuse was the bizarre system they lived under. A much more recent example would be a gay couple acting on their affection and being punished by the law. Neither of them is an abuser. The system is the abuser.
@@ian_b Not so; making a vow, which legitimately comes somewhere between a promise and a pledge, is not a matter of conviction, liking, or even of taste, mood or humour. A spoken contract - a vow, indeed - has attached to it some responsibilities - and these, like them or loath them, entail consequences. Note all that, it is a matter of law (or in this case of discipline) .. if it had been an unjust law i.e. imposed by dictate, composed by tyranny, or even a mere capricious exercise of power .. then you'd have a case; however, as with the Abelard and Heloise case, the requirements of the contracted relationship (with her family by a teacher) clearly did not in any way specifically include on the side sex, indeed ordinary common sense would tell us that is generally precluded .. especially secretive seduction and coy but fruitful coquetry.
The notion that sexual taste must, more or less, be allowed full reign to govern lives and thus societies (without let, hindrance, punishment or censure) is a very modern idea .. and an extremely dangerous one .. if very popular with the romantic free-love merchants. The ancients and primitives may not have shared Victorian erotic values (hypocrisy, basically) but they had taboos .. and enforceable reactions if broken or challenged; this is not a favoured in modernity (unless the term 'abuse' is accepted). The harridans or family of the community understood a taboo line to have been crossed, knowingly, and repeatedly, and they reacted .. emotionally; should they have been allowed to do this with impunity? .. No, for even at the time their Wild-West lynching style of law enforcement was condemned; but not because they went against the spirit of 'the law' such as it was, only because they acted irrationally (knowing, no doubt, that left to the official authorities, secular and religious alike, the matter would have been hushed up so far as possible =
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
Yet should such 'taboos' and their punishments exist, legally, in the first place .. Over to you.
;o)
One of my favourite episodes - and I've seen them all.
This is amazing. My late father was assigned here back in 1967-1970, while serving in the US Air Force. We lived in Bedford at the time. We were never allowed in the base nor my father was allowed in the Officers' Quarters as he was only a Tech Sgt. at the time. However, in 1997 while on holiday, we got the chance to go onto the base as it was opened every second Sunday of the month for visitors. What a rare treat and make the trip more special as we were celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the US Air Force.
By any chance, do you have pictures of the walled garden? I know that sounds so odd, but I currently live on the base and am one of the gardeners trying to do a research peice. or even if you might know someone who has any info! very little from that time in our records.
@@katherinegreenwood9166 Hello! I am so sorry. I do not have any pictures of the walled garden. We were instructed that picture-taking was not allowed at that time. I did take some pictures, but unfortunately, they were lost when I moved. However, there is a Memories of RAF Chicksands Facebook Page where you can pose your question to those there. They maybe able to help you. Take good care of yourself and stay safe!
Watching this again and still enjoying it. As for the cut above Tony's eye, I think he stepped into Phil's trench without permission 🤛🤕🤣
Imagine how much of a nightmare this would be if you were one of the many unfortunate women forced into such a lifestyle. Not saying all the nuns were there against their will, but such events are documented as happening many times, especially for high-born women who men wanted out of the way.
In many cases monestaries/nuneries were a prevention from completely starving on the street. The meals were sparse, but atleast you got one. You had a roof over your head, clothes, medical care. The life was hard, but it was above the life of the poor.
Many woman (certainly of high birth) preferred it over married life to a bully.
Tony claims he walked into his door - more likely Phil clobbered him with his trusty shovel!
Do pubs have swinging doors like the saloons in the old West? If so I believe Tony's explanation!
LOL
@@KYIRISH1 not necessary... my sister had a habit of opening the door and still walking straight into the edge of the door... multiple times following each other actually...
Buy that man a beer.
Never get into Phil's trench without his permission...that's all I am gonna say!!
Terrific! Stationed at RAF Chicksands in USAF from 1975-77. And we DID see Sister Rosetta's ghost one night, after a few pints....
Jenny? Angel in a baggy.😂😂😂❤❤❤
I lived on RAF Chicksands from 69 to 74. Lots of interesting places!!
Do you have any pictures of the gardens? I live here now and doing record keeping trying to get more information on the place from 1960 onwards!
@@katherinegreenwood9166 unfortunately not.
Much respect for Jenni!
poor tony hit head .... he didnt say he may have been coming home from the pub after a day spent there and was not to stable on his feet when opening his door ...
Jenny's life as a nun sounded miserable to me. Imagine being awakened at 2 and 4 AM to pray. It made me think how cults use sleep deprivation to deprive people of their personalities.
Understanding of the negative effects of sleep deprivation didn't evolve until modern history, so it's highly unlikely the Church was making a concerted effort to make their clergy more malleable. Back then (and throughout today), waking up early was a devotional practice used by clergy as a means of showing they are willing to make sacrifices for God. Similar to giving up things for lent, sacrifice has been used since Biblical times as a symbol for the lengths to which one was willing to go in order to honor and worship God. Basically, putting ones money where ones mouth is and being willing to do anything to serve God. I think it shows a level of commitment and perseverance we have largely lost these days.
And you do not think Christianity is a cult. All religions are cults
Religions were invented to keep the uneducated people as slaves to the ruling class . just like democrats and welfare.
@@davidkettell5726 sorry, been avoiding RUclips notifications for my mental health. I think that any time you get a group of humans together, and when a hierarchy inevitably evolves, there will be people who act out of malice for their own benefit, and against the benefit of the larger group. Especially when you throw in the immense power and money that comes from being Gods mouthpiece on earth. I think religion is the modern incarnation of mythology and humans have been telling stories about gods since the birth of sentience, it would seem. So the organization that is religion is perhaps always doomed to walk the fine line between benefit and nuisance, but I think reaching for the divine is very intrinsically human.
@@h.r.c.2829 I suspect you only think that because you were conditioned to and by the very same people that manipulated the masses with religion 100's of years ago too. You think people of the past were stupid and had little understanding of the world around them because you have been told to think that. Please do explain renaissance art, music, and philosophy then please do explain the ancient and highly sophisticated architecture of India, Egypt, South America, and Europe. While you're at it you could also take a stab at explaining how archaic tribal cultures have existed for 1000's of years with no problems even to this day?
The powers that be knew full well what was going on and used it against the "plebeins" to their great advantage. Just as they have done again to us with the reset nonsense we're being forced through right now. Do you think the next few generations of university leavers will be pushing the boundaries of science, engineering, the arts, philosophy, or exploration? They can't even decide what toilet to use when they're not virtue signaling themselves into a sludge or having a mental breakdown on twitter or tiktok on someone else's behalf... and you think we live in enlightened forward thinking times? This is literally the dark ages!... LMFAO :-)
They are so good actually! I get a sense how somehow it works... so so...but with thought and with some knowlege! Good for us all!
not even 2.30 in and i'm laughing - Tony is so comical - honestly hit my head on the front door!
He missed a word, ''step!''
My family and I were stationed at RAF Chicksands 1991-94. There was very little access to the priory and its rooms then qs it was supposed to be unsafe. This program was very interesting and obviously, the priory has been strengthened so there is far more access to its rooms. RAFC was a great assignment and we miss it very much.
You wouldnt happen to have any photos from your time there specifically of the walled garden? we are trying to peice together a photographic reference book. I am one of the gardeners there and we are trying to do some record keeping since we have very little!
Wow. This is amazing! I lived at Chicksands from '79 to '83, The priory always had those creepy scarey stories about Rosetta. She was walled up in one of the windows. We would fish at the river Flit right next to the Priory.
I saw the rectangle shape on the Arial photograph at the beginning. A sign that I have watched to much time team in the past 12 years - 20years old Australian.
Amy Neilson
Lived on Chicksands from 86-94. Many Halloweens were spent in the priory. Looking out from the big shot I can see the base and it brought back some great memories. I was walking all over that site before this...really awesome!
Hey Kyle :) D'you remember me?
+Bill Holland YES! I've only been trying to find you over the last 25 years!!
:) Awesome... Where can we chat, Facebook?
+Bill Holland hkchandler3@gmail or Kyle.chandler.10 for favebook
@@hkchandler3 the fact that you found each other here is amazing! Glad you got the chance to reconnect!
If those nuns (and probably the monks) were not allowed to take of their clothes, then it must have been quite messy and stinky. I can't imagine walking around in the same clothes for weeks, years or decades.
That is in fact very well known that many had just 1 or 2 outfits and they didn't really understand the need for bathing
I thought the same thing. Those habits were not air conditioned. They must have gotten rather "ripe". Looney Tunes cartoon character Pepe Le Pew comes to my mind.
They washed at least twice a day, morning and evening. A bowl and jug was - believe it or not - the most common way to wash until the late 19th century; modestly was preserved by a bathing shirt or dress. Moreover, they had laundries (though bathing at these wash-houses was hit by the Black Plague, professional advice was against it) .. what they did not have was walk-in cupboards for clothes and hats and shoes and accessories; not all convents were as severe on the new clothing regime, for the professed nuns were by and large from very posh families, so they expected servants, trips to town, fripperies, entertainments etc, if on a more modest scale than their worldly sisters with their powdered-up hair, poke-hats, high heels, rouge, ball gowns, tea-chemises and low cut decolletage et al.
@@FoxPurtill Bathing vs washing. Bathing requires a body of water.
Friday. 2/7/2020. beautiful people and show. Robin#2 is a gem. luv the guy. "shave her head, shave her head!!"
Victor, the artist, have to have him in order to understand these times. just sayin
Say what you will about Tony, he usually advocates for more trenches to be dug! And poor John, at the end of the day, he always wants to see digging done, too.
They made a big deal about the meager diet of the nuns, but didn't everyone eat pottage?
According to that stupid expert, it led to anorexia...of course she FAILED to mention the men who basically did the same thig in cellsin Egypt and the Levant
Brilliant
If I remember correctly there is a story at Chicksands about a pregnant nun that was walled up in a wall.
such a cheerful group of thinkers
17:52 Dr. Jenni Butterworth with no pants on...be still, my beating heart!
So Jenni had to take her knickers off and be a naughty nun? The Benny Hill theme song comes to mind
More than that comes to mind....
Private Citizen apparently Jenny is gone lovechild with Phil.
Id do vespers with her!
i pulled the doorknob on my basement door once, the hinge gave way and the door hit me in the forehead. i bled a little , nobody believed me.
Tony was pulling knob allright!
always makes me laugh when tony asks raksha if he come in her trench psml
tut tut! :)
Thanks again 😊👍
Yea, Right..."Volunteers".
Was here 11th Jan 2020
Me too.
It looks like they never explored any further as all the grass is back when viewed on Google Maps.
You'd have thought they would've excavated the walls and kept them tionsn view for future generations to see
It's a top security base not many allowed to come visit I bet 😊
This is my favorite episode. Why? Two words: Jenni Butterworth.
Not for me, give me Alice Roberts any day.
Jenni would experience something that would be deeply spiritual I would think to even a non-believer
@@orwellboy1958 here here !!!
It amazes me how intentionally cruel religion can be in the name of good and how so many accept the cruelty. 20th century prisons were less harsh on the prisoners than those nuns had to deal with and that could be being a link in a chain gang in a 20th century prison.
Prisons are a lot less corrupt too
@@rorysparshott4223 Christianity, the longest running Ponzi scheme with the Pope at the very top.
How did they keep them apart? A crowbar, perhaps.
Did Tony get in a fight at the pub 🤣 The plasters are pretty obvious on camera.
Jenni
"Protect and preserve for the future..." When is this future? 2110? 2450? Are they saving it for Buck Rogers to dig up and reveal it to the world?
Archaeology is a destructive act. It's being saved for when we can do the Archaeology better.
100 years ago they just threw pottery away. Now we can analyse the soil. What will be capable of in 10, 20, 50 years? But if we dig it now we will lose all that information we could have got.
That's why so much modern Archaeology is Rescue Archaeology. Archaeology on cliffs, beaches, and in big cities.
Gotta leave the apes something 😊
Guarded by Royal Marines. Serious stuff.
Wondering 🤔 how it was for the others on film with Jenny as nuns😮
Must have been helluva boring being a nun.
As the monks and nuns are living together, and the monks are called "cannons", are the nuns called " cannon fodder" ?
canon noun (2)
Definition of canon (Entry 2 of 3)
1: a clergyman belonging to the chapter or the staff of a cathedral or collegiate church
@@judywanda yeah, it was a joke... ;)
@@PerryTribeMetalBaker , Clever wordplay!
How many actual physical pieces of evidence for the cloister were found? Nun. How many good reasons are there for a woman to subject herself to such an awful life? Nun. How much justification do I have for claiming these are not really bad plays on words? Nun.
LOL, good one...Nun points of say anunmor.....:p
What kind of meat do monks eat? NUN 😆
amazing! my USAF org was stationed here as 69xx, my unit in Turkey was 6933rd Radio Group, Mobile; then my org in Germany was 6910th RGM in Sembach Germany...this ought to be interesting.
I particularly liked the role play nun.
I used to live there and would see Rosata on a daily occurrence to and from school staring through a window and would quite often feel like I was being followed but nothing was there
What's a haha and what's it for and what was that about elephant pen?
Funny name tho, make all of us laugh occationally :p
. @neal thailand, I always thought that the "ha ha" part was the reaction of others to one who landed sprawling on the pasture side after stumbling over the wall.
I lived here as a dependant also and my Dad was Assistant Base Commander My. Colonel Bob Stockton; does anyone remember him?
Ohhh arrre Tony... Peeping Tom, stone the crows!
Was here Nov 2019
That was not the first time that monks and nuns lived together. When Christianity came to Ireland, monks and nuns could and did marry and that custom continued for many years begore celibacy took over.
JENNI IS THE BOMB
'Run to the tree and back'
~Every PTI ever
yes tony, sit a distance away from a military intelligence installation and stare at them with binoculars. In the US you'd be receiving a very prompt escort, questioning and your name on a very special list.
They were digging on the base's grounds. The opening was all scripted and prearranged so the military wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
The best bit is, where he was sitting you can't actually see the entrance to the Priory. What you would see is a dirty great processing factory that deals with onions. I will never forget Friday morning squadded runs, getting hit with the smell of processed onions. Those who had been on the lash the night before and were still feeling fragile, usually stopped to throw up at this point, and then continue.
@@chipanderson2135 that’s hilarious. The juxtaposition of that smell and the location, the situation is universal to life I suppose!
At 28:35 Tony is in fighting mode ;-)
But....when these walls and ‚everything‘ are about 3 meters down- why is the present house(and former cannon-house) at today’s ground level?
They would have had to excavate deep down to hard ground before laying foundations for a large and heavy building. Thats why churches have crypts.
Later the walls would have been ''Quarried'' for stone for other buildings, and the remaining hole would eventually be filled in.
niklar55 thanks for the explanation!
@@TheNyah5 😊
20:31 appalling marching
is this the same building in 28 days later?
My USAFSS units had one here, something like a 69xx radio group mobile...I was first in one in Turkey and then in Germany. I could have been assigned to this place instead of the one in Germany, just the luck of the draw..nice to see this.
granskare 6950st Security Squadron
Steve Hayleck I wrote a book about it called "Under the Cover of Darkness" on Amazon kindle.
Why the three-day limit every time?
All of the team have regular jobs, I believe this is a. Fri-Sun type of operation.
@@aurktman1106 , Thank you! That explains that.
What Eldon said, plus it's not just a case of turn up and start, there's a lot of preparation going into these digs before hand behind the scenes.
@@markorollo. , Thank you too, Sir! I'm a newcomer to this series, weird as that may sound to others.
Would geo-phys be geological-physical or am I still being the typical newcomer? Please help.
What a horrible life for the nuns. Fanatical devotion is a waste of a life.
The nun in question didnt choose it, she was forced into it.
Even more Horrible!
Yes, fanatical anything, including political and economic philosophies are horrible
and now, 2022? nice to have - WIKI military - that can tell everything...
Bet the camera man was gutted when they said off camera
What happen to Tony face? Archeology is really dangerous 😳
Chicksands, home to the elephant pen?
I never understood all the rituals and whatnot of the catholic church. None of it is biblical, so where did it come from?
Oh, Jenni, you can speak 24/7 for all I care
that commandant is basically going i want to know more do what u must heres all the people under my command use them as you will ps they need to dig their yearly trench hint hint wink wink😂😂😂
Does Jenni know how cute she is?
Tony says 'something risky was going on in there ...'
I think you mean risque - pronounced 'riss-kay. '
Jenni's experience showed how awful the life of a Nun was, it, and the story of the pregnant Nun, doesn't exactly paint the picture of a group following Jesus' teachings.
I know exactly what went on by the USAFSS at that place but alas, I cannot tell you.
They used to have a great 4th July Get Together; all free entry and very American.
If misery and deprivation were the hallmarks of being closer to God then the excavation labours (navies) who dug the navigational canals should have had a direct line to Haven.
Ancient Jewish tradition I believe says a man must have eaten a pound of dirt before death to reach heaven
the cash poured into that is mad! for such misery in it's walls lol
They believed it was for both God and your salvation.
So we made sure it looked good 😊
LOL sounds like they're saying a nuns oyster yummy a nuns oyster LOL
Watch out oysters are subject to red tides😅
Mary didn't starve herself or remove herself from society. The men of the church were perverse. Priests today have the best of food. I've seen a parisioner shovel snow off the church grounds after doing his own home while healthy, young priests, do nothing. If they do give last rites, don't call after 10 pm and disturb their free time. Priests can own property and have lots of privileges. What a crock.
Excellent dig.
I'm a bit disappointed. I thought I was going to see chicks and beds.
The only haunted air base in the USAF
The only thing going for th soul that would make any position other than one's bed is if the person felt guilty. I wouldn't and probably could find it comfortable to sleep as when youger I could drop pff for periods of 15 minute naps while Indian seated.
That is NOT.
Military Intelligence, an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
Preserve it for the future meant rebury it and let it rot.