Imagine being the jockey on Black Caviar there and making that bad error to almost cost her perfect winning record ? Also Black Caviar was injured that race and pulled up early and still won. Must have been a really good horse.
Paul Collis agreed that pilot error made little difference. She was a spent force at the furlong. The horse that won the Lightning at her next start would have won by 5 on the bridle
@@bgardiner3354 anyone could see the jockey stopped riding her with 50 to go and then had to push her near the line. I think if the jockey rode her the whole rwce, she could have won by at least 1/2 a length
Honestly (and I’m fair Fair from an expert) you could see Caviar wasn’t 100% before the race. Behind the barriers I remember saying to my dad “she just doesn’t seem to be moving as freely as usual I think she’s vulnerable” not saying she was injured before she even jumped but she clearly wasn’t a happy horse. The only time she ever had a race was 1) when she was literally injured in the run and still won & 2) Hay List was at his best and was able to push her. That’s the most underrated sprinter - Hay List
Many Jockeys who ride in Britain for the first time have said, they underestimates the style of British racing. Luke Nolan was no different on Black Caviar at Royal Ascot. No one was questioning the capabilities of Black Caviar when Media were questioning Nolan and Moody about the ride, as we all know here in Britain its genuine mistake that happens and no one was criticising Nolan. Afterall at the end of the day he won. British public were just excited and thrilled. The Media were just expecting Nolan talking us through that exciting experience. Nolan was so annoyed at the questions and very defensive of himself and Black Caviar at first, saying we got the job done and you should not criticise Caviars performance etc. After Nolan had the time to calm down and relax, he said British racing is different than he expected and he thought he left the rest of cavalry way behind and didn't realize there was a group charging in behind. We respect genuine sportsmanship here. I remember watching this race live on tv jumping off my couch with so much anxious excitement even though i didn't have a punt. Because of that mistake of Nolan, it made this exciting race even more exciting. This is one memorable race that will talked about through decades. This shows you can have those down phases and greatness can come out of it. So it was a very wise decision by World Horse Racing to choose this particular race of Black Caviar for this clip.
Jahn Majeed Its interesting the subsequent reports of injuries and pre race issues but riding back to the enclosure and immediately post race Nolen never mentioned anything about her feeling injured or not feeling herself in the run.
@@elgransenor1472 What were you watching? It was said to Australian reporters from word go and in fact Luke Nolen interviewed by Brad Blanks after Royal Ascot is a video on RUclips itself. Watch it and listen from the two minute mark.
I have rewatched this reply dozens of times this week always exciting- the reality is Nolan was SH. Ting himself before the race. Remember Moonlight cloud went on to dominate Euro sprinter and was crowned sprinter of the year in Europe no slouch.
Jahn check her Wikipedia page at the minimum for an account of the injuries that she suffered during that run. The majority of horses would have pulled up let alone won.
Who exactly made this list? Lochsong mid pack?????? seriously???? so a 5 furlong sprint, which is the shortest distance raced over (and is by definition a sprint), the stalls open and the horse buggers off into the distance, and that horse is middle of the list......... what about the rest of the world too???? pretty sure there are some decent sprinters from USA and Australia.
When she went to the USA and did 3f work some old "timers" (excuse the pun") stopped the clock and framed it. Over 3-4 she was lightning. Also Royal Academy over 6 was a superstar. Apparently in work Rock of Gibraltar was outstanding. Also two miler's I always wondered about if they stuck to sprinter would be,,, obviously Frankel and Zafonic.
Glenn it widely known that she would have lost to Frankel this whole video is like backing without the favourite highest rated horse of all time and he doesn’t make the top ten clueless at best
Mike Stewart only everyone he entered there’s your answer. you do understand that Frankel only ran for three years 10 group ones the highest rated horse ever. And you can’t compare mares to studs because mares have longer careers due the stallions been put out to stud.
@@liamquirke3063 Lol Frankel never ran in a Group 1 sprint in his life mate. The second part largely defies reality, especially with Frankel who raced over three years.
Mike Stewart any race under 1 mile is a sprint you really have no idea about racing just google Frankel and find out for yourself. Your rating goes of your ability Frankel was rated 147 the highest any horse has ever been rated
@@richardcranium8776 I suspect it would have been a much better race than that. The thing with BC is that she may have been even better than her rating suggests. Had she been ridden out in the Newmarket she would have been both the 5 and 6F track record holder up the straight at Flemington.
Lack of Aussie horses in the area they dominate at irks me. Particularly seeing Battaash who is inferior to Nature Strip judging off times. Meanwhile, also missing horses such as Takeover Target and Chataqua and going real far back, Vain.
Who on earth made this list. Oasis Dream is the fastest horse in the last 10 years and does not make the top 10. Dayjur is the fastest turf horse of the last 50 years and is not in the #1 spot. Would laugh all over Black Cavier
Rowan L Battaash can be moody.. he has couple of track records suggest he is speedy. He does have tendency to choose not to show that at times, but when he does, he is very impressive.
Jahn Majeed I have to agree, as a 2yr old I didn’t think much of him and I was never a big fan but when he came to race, he turned it on but was nothing compared to Muharrer or Blue Point. Further more, Harry Angel could have been in this list along with Mecca’s Angel and Lethal Force. What the heck, put Dark Angel in for the amount of Group 1 sprinters from the sire.
Obviously a European and Hong Kong based top 10 and group one sprinting races in Australia mean nothing . How many Internationals have come to Australia for a sprint race and won ? I’m not anti Europeans either but again take over target and chatauqua hope I spelt it right this time 🤦♂️at a minimum should be in this
Don't mean to be awkward here but the best you had to offer is black caviar who only just won from moonlight cloud, who in all honesty wasnt a very good horse he was soundly beaten a couple of times by Nathaniel who was hammered 4 times by Frankel... I mean come on 24/24 we expected caviar to demolish that field
scouserdan3 it is a bit awkward really because Black Caviar ran 16lbs below her season average in the DJ after 9 races in 9 months plus travel etc. and injured as a result of the race. Those with questionable racing faculty will not be able to appreciate the clearly visible form lines through Soul, Ortensia, Star Witness et al that demonstrate just what a phenomenon she was. All that aside she still cling on to beat a 5 x G1 Cartier HOTY. The horse that won the Lightning Stakes at her next start would have streeted this field on the bridle.
@@bgardiner3354 I'm not saying she wasnt talented any horse 25-0 is supremely talented, what I am questioning the fact that she stayed inside her native country most of her career beating the same horses, the one time she ventured out she was almost beaten, whereas the likes of enable who won in France twice, America beating everyone possible, and highland reel who won grade 1s in 4 different continents... I say that contradictingly because I'm a massive Frankel fan and he only won in England but he beat EVERYTHING even the French superstar cirus des aigles with consummate ease... look at winx you can hardly call her a superstar because she beat happy Clapper 28 times 🤣🤣
scouserdan3 I know you are probably repeating something that someone else wrote but rest assured they were wrong too. Frankel raced in the A grade of world middle distance racing. Aside from the Arc taking him anywhere else only would have tested his ability to overcome the tyranny of distance. Likewise with Black Caviar she had run her grand final with her demolition (again) of Hay List in the TJ Smith. Royal Ascot was a. An afterthought and b. A B grade competition. Since the IFHA commenced world ratings in 2008 all bar 2017 and 2019 saw Australian-bred sprinters top or equal top of the rankings. And if you roll back a few more years than that when Choisir, Silent Witness, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti, Starspangledbanner et al were the best dominated world sprint rankings the trend is even more significant. Black Caviar travelled to race in a B grade comp where much lesser animals had taken significant prizes previously. Her racing at Royal Ascot was about promoting the brand and nothing more. Denying her credentials is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Winx is a different proposition because she was racing in a B grade competition. It’s typical for ppl who don’t know racing to downplay the merits of horses like Hartnell, Happy Clapper, Benbatl and Highland Reel because on peak performances they were up to G1 standard anywhere. But I wouldn’t disagree that Winx should have travelled. There is just too much money here at home to warrant the effort and the risk. Fortunately the IFHA knows what they’re doing because they still have Winx 4lbs ahead to Enable on peak performances.
Dayjur＝greatest of europe Lord Kanaloa and Black Caviar=greatest of the modern world sprint. too bad to compare.Dayjur is magnificent. but,Lord Kanaloa and Black Caviar ,they are like a creature from another planet. Abernant is only possibility of surpassing them.
Sole Power was a flying machine, never seen a turn of foot like it
Nature Strip will be up here in a few years.
Lord Kanaloa is the Best Sprinter in the world.
I think so.
Sorry but Dayjur is number one, he was an absolute rocket.
Over 6furongs chief singer followed by royal academy. Both very underated.
Imagine being the jockey on Black Caviar there and making that bad error to almost cost her perfect winning record ? Also Black Caviar was injured that race and pulled up early and still won. Must have been a really good horse.
Torn both her rear quads by the 400m mark. Was no mistake by nolen, he wanted to take care of her, she wanted to win.
Paul Collis agreed that pilot error made little difference. She was a spent force at the furlong. The horse that won the Lightning at her next start would have won by 5 on the bridle
@@bgardiner3354 anyone could see the jockey stopped riding her with 50 to go and then had to push her near the line. I think if the jockey rode her the whole rwce, she could have won by at least 1/2 a length
johnmiceter and hence would have still rated 16lbs below her previous season’s average.
I wonder if Lochsong will be there ??
Honestly (and I’m fair Fair from an expert) you could see Caviar wasn’t 100% before the race. Behind the barriers I remember saying to my dad “she just doesn’t seem to be moving as freely as usual I think she’s vulnerable” not saying she was injured before she even jumped but she clearly wasn’t a happy horse. The only time she ever had a race was 1) when she was literally injured in the run and still won & 2) Hay List was at his best and was able to push her. That’s the most underrated sprinter - Hay List
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The list needs to be updated with the addition of Nature Strip.
Apparently you have to win 25/25 if you want to be an Australian and make this list?? Where’s Chautauqua and co
Choisir's there
And show the footage where she nearly got beat being because ahe was injured. Probably her worst performance of the 25
😂😅👍 Well we've no chance friend.
@@theatrain5388: Excuses Excuses, can't a horse not just have a bad day but win due to her class. You'll get you're horse more respect.
Sarebbe molto più interessante se mettessero i tempi e la valutazione del terreno
I know he was not the most beautiful horse though surely takeover target has to be on this list. 🤔
Many Jockeys who ride in Britain for the first time have said, they underestimates the style of British racing. Luke Nolan was no different on Black Caviar at Royal Ascot. No one was questioning the capabilities of Black Caviar when Media were questioning Nolan and Moody about the ride, as we all know here in Britain its genuine mistake that happens and no one was criticising Nolan. Afterall at the end of the day he won. British public were just excited and thrilled. The Media were just expecting Nolan talking us through that exciting experience. Nolan was so annoyed at the questions and very defensive of himself and Black Caviar at first, saying we got the job done and you should not criticise Caviars performance etc.
After Nolan had the time to calm down and relax, he said British racing is different than he expected and he thought he left the rest of cavalry way behind and didn't realize there was a group charging in behind.
We respect genuine sportsmanship here. I remember watching this race live on tv jumping off my couch with so much anxious excitement even though i didn't have a punt. Because of that mistake of Nolan, it made this exciting race even more exciting. This is one memorable race that will talked about through decades. This shows you can have those down phases and greatness can come out of it. So it was a very wise decision by World Horse Racing to choose this particular race of Black Caviar for this clip.
Jahn Majeed
Its interesting the subsequent reports of injuries and pre race issues but riding back to the enclosure and immediately post race Nolen never mentioned anything about her feeling injured or not feeling herself in the run.
@@elgransenor1472 What were you watching? It was said to Australian reporters from word go and in fact Luke Nolen interviewed by Brad Blanks after Royal Ascot is a video on RUclips itself. Watch it and listen from the two minute mark.
I have rewatched this reply dozens of times this week always exciting- the reality is Nolan was SH. Ting himself before the race. Remember Moonlight cloud went on to dominate Euro sprinter and was crowned sprinter of the year in Europe no slouch.
Jahn check her Wikipedia page at the minimum for an account of the injuries that she suffered during that run. The majority of horses would have pulled up let alone won.
Mike Stewart
I thought it was because the vet bandaged her legs too tightly?
Pick an excuse, any excuse.
Chataqua? Take over target?
SMP SMP
Maybe about 18th and 25th?
Who exactly made this list? Lochsong mid pack?????? seriously???? so a 5 furlong sprint, which is the shortest distance raced over (and is by definition a sprint), the stalls open and the horse buggers off into the distance, and that horse is middle of the list.........
what about the rest of the world too???? pretty sure there are some decent sprinters from USA and Australia.
When she went to the USA and did 3f work some old "timers" (excuse the pun") stopped the clock and framed it. Over 3-4 she was lightning.
Also Royal Academy over 6 was a superstar.
Apparently in work Rock of Gibraltar was outstanding.
Also two miler's I always wondered about if they stuck to sprinter would be,,, obviously Frankel and Zafonic.
Taiki Shuttle is the best in history
Cyrano Storme. Man, if you watch this video, you'd think there never were any turf sprinters in the US.
you could have picked any of black caviars wins. World champion sprinter 2010,2011,2012 and 2013.
The greatest sprinter to ever have graced the turf.
Glenn it widely known that she would have lost to Frankel this whole video is like backing without the favourite highest rated horse of all time and he doesn’t make the top ten clueless at best
@@liamquirke3063 How many sprinting Group 1 races did Frankel win? There lies your answer.
Mike Stewart only everyone he entered there’s your answer. you do understand that Frankel only ran for three years 10 group ones the highest rated horse ever.
And you can’t compare mares to studs because mares have longer careers due the stallions been put out to stud.
@@liamquirke3063 Lol Frankel never ran in a Group 1 sprint in his life mate.
The second part largely defies reality, especially with Frankel who raced over three years.
Mike Stewart any race under 1 mile is a sprint you really have no idea about racing just google Frankel and find out for yourself. Your rating goes of your ability Frankel was rated 147 the highest any horse has ever been rated
Sole Powers turn of Foot is the best since Diffident
Dayjur is the only modern day sprinter that could have competed with Black Caviar. It’s a shame he jumped those shadows in the BC Sprint. Super horse.
He would beat her by open lengths going 5f.
@@richardcranium8776 I suspect it would have been a much better race than that. The thing with BC is that she may have been even better than her rating suggests. Had she been ridden out in the Newmarket she would have been both the 5 and 6F track record holder up the straight at Flemington.
Blue Point needs to be higher
Caravaggio was even better than bluepoint and didn’t make the list
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Lack of Aussie horses in the area they dominate at irks me. Particularly seeing Battaash who is inferior to Nature Strip judging off times. Meanwhile, also missing horses such as Takeover Target and Chataqua and going real far back, Vain.
Times mean nothing on different courses/ground
And Overdose?
Jockey on Black Caviar wouldn’t be able to go back to Oz if he lost that! 😅
And they had to put the race in that black caviar got injured in and still won.
Sacred Kingdom
Who on earth made this list. Oasis Dream is the fastest horse in the last 10 years and does not make the top 10. Dayjur is the fastest turf horse of the last 50 years and is not in the #1 spot. Would laugh all over Black Cavier
But the Australian horses are the best they say, the Aussies that is.😂😅
Battaash? April fools was last week.
Rowan L Battaash can be moody.. he has couple of track records suggest he is speedy. He does have tendency to choose not to show that at times, but when he does, he is very impressive.
Jahn Majeed I have to agree, as a 2yr old I didn’t think much of him and I was never a big fan but when he came to race, he turned it on but was nothing compared to Muharrer or Blue Point. Further more, Harry Angel could have been in this list along with Mecca’s Angel and Lethal Force. What the heck, put Dark Angel in for the amount of Group 1 sprinters from the sire.
Phobs DSR I understand he can be hit and miss, but when he is switched on he is very closely in level with Blue Point.
Dayjur number 1
Where is mitole? Are people blind?
what about schillaci, takeover target, vain
Chautauqua
Cape of Good Hope
Sacred Kingdom, Little Bridge, Lucky Nine, Rich Tapestry, Aerovelocity, Amber Sky, Sterling City
etc.
dayjur and lochsong 2 best imo
Obviously a European and Hong Kong based top 10 and group one sprinting races in Australia mean nothing . How many Internationals have come to Australia for a sprint race and won ? I’m not anti Europeans either but again take over target and chatauqua hope I spelt it right this time 🤦♂️at a minimum should be in this
Don't mean to be awkward here but the best you had to offer is black caviar who only just won from moonlight cloud, who in all honesty wasnt a very good horse he was soundly beaten a couple of times by Nathaniel who was hammered 4 times by Frankel... I mean come on 24/24 we expected caviar to demolish that field
scouserdan3 it is a bit awkward really because Black Caviar ran 16lbs below her season average in the DJ after 9 races in 9 months plus travel etc. and injured as a result of the race. Those with questionable racing faculty will not be able to appreciate the clearly visible form lines through Soul, Ortensia, Star Witness et al that demonstrate just what a phenomenon she was. All that aside she still cling on to beat a 5 x G1 Cartier HOTY. The horse that won the Lightning Stakes at her next start would have streeted this field on the bridle.
@@bgardiner3354 I'm not saying she wasnt talented any horse 25-0 is supremely talented, what I am questioning the fact that she stayed inside her native country most of her career beating the same horses, the one time she ventured out she was almost beaten, whereas the likes of enable who won in France twice, America beating everyone possible, and highland reel who won grade 1s in 4 different continents... I say that contradictingly because I'm a massive Frankel fan and he only won in England but he beat EVERYTHING even the French superstar cirus des aigles with consummate ease... look at winx you can hardly call her a superstar because she beat happy Clapper 28 times 🤣🤣
scouserdan3 I know you are probably repeating something that someone else wrote but rest assured they were wrong too. Frankel raced in the A grade of world middle distance racing. Aside from the Arc taking him anywhere else only would have tested his ability to overcome the tyranny of distance. Likewise with Black Caviar she had run her grand final with her demolition (again) of Hay List in the TJ Smith. Royal Ascot was a. An afterthought and b. A B grade competition. Since the IFHA commenced world ratings in 2008 all bar 2017 and 2019 saw Australian-bred sprinters top or equal top of the rankings. And if you roll back a few more years than that when Choisir, Silent Witness, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti, Starspangledbanner et al were the best dominated world sprint rankings the trend is even more significant. Black Caviar travelled to race in a B grade comp where much lesser animals had taken significant prizes previously. Her racing at Royal Ascot was about promoting the brand and nothing more. Denying her credentials is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Winx is a different proposition because she was racing in a B grade competition. It’s typical for ppl who don’t know racing to downplay the merits of horses like Hartnell, Happy Clapper, Benbatl and Highland Reel because on peak performances they were up to G1 standard anywhere. But I wouldn’t disagree that Winx should have travelled. There is just too much money here at home to warrant the effort and the risk. Fortunately the IFHA knows what they’re doing because they still have Winx 4lbs ahead to Enable on peak performances.
Bataaaash is bland n boring n nothing special
I think Winx Should have been in this video because she won more races Than Black Caviar
but winx wasn't a sprinter
That isn’t even possible
Vanessa yes she is any race under 1 mile is a sprint
keith gould true true but I was giving my honest opinion
keith gould mate that’s just your opinion it’s not fact
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Frankel would destroy all this horses
And winx would destroy frankel
And black caviar would destroy both of them till secretariat comes to deadheat with black caviar
Don't think I ever saw Winx or Frankel race over 5f / 1000m.
Completely different horses and races you muppets
Lucas Gechevski mate do your homework Frankel is king
Lord Kanaloa and Black Caviar ahead of Dayjur? That is pure foolishness.
Dayjur＝greatest of europe
Lord Kanaloa and Black Caviar=greatest of the modern world sprint.
too bad to compare.Dayjur is magnificent.
but,Lord Kanaloa and Black Caviar ,they are like a creature from another planet.
Abernant is only possibility of surpassing them.