for those who don't understand, Milwaukee Fuel uses brushless motors - the other ones he does not recommend are older models that are brushed motors. If you are not a pro or need something in a pinch, they're fine to use, but if you want to use them for a long time, or like nice things, or make money from the tools, go for the Fuel version, you'll love not smelling a weird burning smell every time you go ham with your drill if you go for the Fuel version lmao
The combo kit on sale for $179 is actually brushless. The drill included in that particular set isn't a hammer drill though which is one of the reasons which is also cheaper. In my opinion most people don't ever use the hammer drill setting unless you're in a trade where it comes in handy/do specific work or very specific DIY projects that probably aren't the norm. Fuel is their top of the line stuff with all the bells and whistles and geared more towards contractors and very much awesome. People should know they have new M18 (non-fuel) Hammer Drills and non-hammer options that are still very good and reliable. I've been doing a bunch of research myself debating on which Milwaukee set I'll go with. Might go fuel but the non-fuel Hammer drill combo set (bc of what I do) that includes a free tool is excellent value IMO.
@@iand6453 100%, I just tend to steer towards the Fuel only line - I believe in buy one cry once lol - I do agree with the hammer drill feature that most people don't even know what it is (I didn't know what it was or how it could help until a few years ago). Been waiting for a good time to pick up that Fuel 18v combo for $400 plus extra tool but I don't really NEED it now, it's just a want thing lol
Just FYI, those compact brushless are brand new, released this summer tools. Not old tools, and they are very good if you dont need the big boy fuel tools.
@@timzalusky the ones I talked about at the end of my video seemed to be the newer non-fuel tools. The ones at the beginning, looked like they were very old from about six years ago.
I'm a small DIY person, so I just need the M18 fuel drill and I decided to go with the M18 fuel oscillating multi tool. It's perfect for me. They work great for my needs. If I need anything else in the future, I'll get it.
Your point about the rolling toolbox is why I returned all my packout equipment and went with Ridgid Pro Gear 2.0. The way the wheels and the handle can be clipped to anything makes it the only true modular kit in my opinion. I always have the 3 drawer on the bottom, than the large toolbox above it and than an organizer on top. So i can get into any box without disassembling anything.
Coupe corrections the compact impact driver and drill for 299 is the newest brushless set and its non fuel. The blower on the free tool section is the latest quiet blower and has 500 cfm making it more powerful than your 2 previous gen models. I love mine for snow removal
The Home Depot site is not designed well. I went with the m18 battery + free tool. They have a few different ways to select the combo on the website where it will process but order will be cancelled as that sku code will process out of stock.
I save money on tools by getting the Bauer Tools at HFT. I am no longer working (retired) and the HFT tools are better (for me) at saving money on stuff that I do not need to use daily...
Yeah, I totally get it. Not a real fan of the Bauer line but I do really like the Hercules line up. Battery’s seem pretty good and the different large selection is very nice. Plus the price is right.
I use the cheaper M18 when on extension ladder and m18 Fuel when on ground....,reason a few years ago I was on a 2nd floor and dropped the cheaper M18 in the lawn, still works but would of been pissed if it was my M18 Fuel.... M12s Fuel are great too. Good video👍
Haha I feel that. That why I think the M12 line up is great for ladder and overhead work super light and rugged. Also I’ve definitely dropped a nice fuel M18 off a 10ft ladder multiple times and never had any issues.
I've got the blower, d-handle jigsaw, tire inflator, compact router, and that small circ saw from a non fuel kit I bought a few years ago. that tire inflator is amazing and actually outperforms most other tire inflators I believe. I also have one of the wet/dry vacs which is REALLY useful and handy - I've used it so many times. Most of the tools I've gotten were buy a tool get free battery type of deal. I used to have a brushless 18v drill and brush 18v impact but gave those to my sister to give myself an excuse to check out the 12v fuel line and bought that kit but now I want to get that $399 drill/driver kit and grab either the sawzaw (I got the smaller brushed version) or the oscillating tool - I really want that pack out stereo instead of the radios they have.
Im glad there are guys that always go for the latest and greatest staying in debt and thinking bc something is little older its junk. Im 32 have 20 acres land 10 paid off. 22 cat excavator paid off. 22 ram cummins paid off. All trailers and equipment paid off. But i do have the old junk milwaukee but it works fine for me and im out of debt so i dont have take on jobs i hate anymore to have the latest best.
It's great you are living almost debt free. I agree this stuff's not junk because it's last year's model but that doesn't mean everyone's going in debt over some tools we're talking 400 to 500 here that's not a great deal of money. If a person doesn't have it to spend they shouldn't. Good luck with paying that last 10 acres off fast. 😊
Well you had a lot of expenses to pay of course you can’t buy newer tools. I’m the same way. I don’t have to buy the newest impact driver when my old one still works. I’m on the dewalt platform and thank goodness the don’t make new models all the time like Milwaukee. I have mostly 60v dewalt stuff and they don’t refresh them if it’s been working fine since they came out.
@@FlyfellaI don't know how old you are but I will tell you as you get older cutting back on certain things and making things you got work really will help you get through all the financial times. 100% the greatest thing that ever happened to me was turning my life over to God and living for him it's not easy but you can do it. Cast all your cares on him and he'll guide you through. I know we really would like to have this that and the other we can't help ourselves we all have our Hang Ups hand tools are watermelon I like to have good equipment. But you're doing the right thing I'm making what you got work just remember your body will get old one day and you're going to need the better tool for the right situation so it's not so hard on your body. Best of luck and God Bless.
Maybe I just glanced over it because I already have a big table saw. But it is very nice and a great deal you’re right. Plus putting it on a 8amp Forged battery is definitely the way to go.
is the $400 fuel kit worth it?? I need both hammer and impact my DeWalt drills went to shite (my fault). Thought about switching but I'm not sure just yet.
i got that fuel 3/8 ratchet with the driver, two batteries and charger. all for only $199. which is the regular price for the fuel 3/8 ratchet tool ONLY
It’s just the entry level stuff nowadays. So I think it’s better to buy once cry once and get the best stuff. That’s why I like the fuel line up. Also they always put out the most 🫘 for the 💰.
Compared to today’s standards the non fuel gen 1 tools are not very good. However when they were first released they were still real competitive with other brands and was near top of the line quality at the time. Times change and technology advances, that’s all it is
Just so you know i added the forge 12.0 and the free 8.0 to my online cart for $249... It breaks down the pricing as $110(8)/$138(12).. great deal for returning the other one and keeping forged battery of your choice.
Either your dewalt video is newer or Milwaukee is just way better bc this video has way more views lol. I love all my Milwaukee tools tho like my 2967 impact. I love the power that thing has.
I have both Milwaukee fuel tools and dewalt xr. I honestly use my dewalt tools more. They just feel better and the batteries seem to last longer. A lot of Dewalt xr line which stacks up with fuel neck to neck is cheaper then the m18 fuel line up, but then again I guess it’s all really just preference. I use my Milwaukee multi tool more then my Dewalt. A lot of the guys at work who are Milwaukee heads have been using my dealt xr hammer drill and impact more than their m18 fuel hammer and impacts lately lol they say it feels smoother especially when auguring through multiple studs of wood at the same time
I used to be a DeWalt guy as well. Everything at work and at my house was all of sea of yellow. I think the biggest thing that did it for me on the Milwaukee stuff was the fact of how long Milwaukee has been running off of the same battery platform. Also, all of their innovation with their new tools. I mostly started out my lineup with all the mechanics tools, so impact drivers, wrenches, and a bunch of their hand tools. The fact that Milwaukee seems to make everything that was once corded or pneumatic now in electric is pretty amazing. That’s where I really think they shine. Is there always coming out with a new tool for the trades!
Hey Blake I know you don’t like the non fuel tools. But I wanted to get your thoughts on the 9 tool combo kit online for $599? Mostly for a homeowner setup. Or would you suggest the 5 tool combo fuel kit shown but not talked about in your video?
I have the non fuel 9 tool combo . If you’re using the tools sparingly then sure go for it . But in a professional setting they are trash . Milwaukee as a whole is unimpressive. Battery life is atrocious. I’m a cabinetmaker and they just don’t stack up in a professional setting
It really just depends on if you need all nine of those tools. Being a homeowner setup I get that having more is definitely an advantage. But like the previous person said in professional setting the fuels are much better. I personally have never had an issue with any of the batteries myself. I always tend to use 5 amp hour and above. Then I get more than enough power in time out of them. It also depends on if you have a particular project that you are looking to do. Like if you were putting together a deck, I would wanna have some fuel tools in my lineup as they put out more beans 🫘.
Yes, it works, but the tool is not free. This is a hack you can use you buy the battery and the tool you would like they will give you values on both items. It will obviously be less than the $200 for each then you just return one for example I could get an eight amp forged battery for around $110 if you buy one of the tools and then just return the tools that come with a free battery. I just put out a RUclips short on this check it out.
@@BlakesGarage I used this hack to buy my m18 mid torque impact. You used to be able to see the break down on the home depot website but now you can not. So you have to buy the kit, get the tool and look at the receipt to see the prices.
Just spent 7k converting over to M18 Fuel and Forge. Got four free batteries out of it, two of them Forge 6.0! Oh, plus a hat and tshirt 😂 Having said that, those teeny CP2.0 / CP3.0 batteries are mint on nailers, just too heavy to run a Forge all day on them. I bought that huge 2967-20 impact and my very first M18 battery, the 12.0 Forge for a wheel-bearing job... Yeah, the impact didn't even feel it.
@@dylanfinch6186 they definitely have value, but I just picked up a new Milwaukee breaking grinder and I have two other others so that’s kind of why it wasn’t popping into my head. The router for me isn’t something that I use enough and I have a cord one for when I actually need it. But if you do a lot of woodworking, yeah the router is awesome.
@BlakesGarage yeah, I get that. The Braking grinder is probably significantly nicer than the free one. That's the one thing that I'm thinking about before grabbing the grinder in these kits. What are your thoughts on the braking grinder vs this standard fuel model?
@ I prefer a braking as it’s not only safer but you can also put I down quicker and get back to the prior thing you’re doing. I think all of them are Fuel.
No, I’d just added to the collection. There’s lots of times that the stubby is going to be way better than the high torque just because you’ll be able to get into tight places. The high torque is pretty big and heavy but yeah it’s also got all the 🫘
Are you a maintenance person for the public library? The gold drill bits are worthless. Milwaukee brand is starting to become corporate in quality. Just watch a Milwaukee step bit test by another RUclipsr get destroyed by cheap china stuff.
Watch my new short I posted today. You definitely can return half as they value each item at discounted price. You obviously don’t get to keep anything for free but this is a hack to get more batteries or tools at a much cheaper price.
for those who don't understand, Milwaukee Fuel uses brushless motors - the other ones he does not recommend are older models that are brushed motors. If you are not a pro or need something in a pinch, they're fine to use, but if you want to use them for a long time, or like nice things, or make money from the tools, go for the Fuel version, you'll love not smelling a weird burning smell every time you go ham with your drill if you go for the Fuel version lmao
The combo kit on sale for $179 is actually brushless. The drill included in that particular set isn't a hammer drill though which is one of the reasons which is also cheaper. In my opinion most people don't ever use the hammer drill setting unless you're in a trade where it comes in handy/do specific work or very specific DIY projects that probably aren't the norm. Fuel is their top of the line stuff with all the bells and whistles and geared more towards contractors and very much awesome. People should know they have new M18 (non-fuel) Hammer Drills and non-hammer options that are still very good and reliable. I've been doing a bunch of research myself debating on which Milwaukee set I'll go with. Might go fuel but the non-fuel Hammer drill combo set (bc of what I do) that includes a free tool is excellent value IMO.
@@iand6453 100%, I just tend to steer towards the Fuel only line - I believe in buy one cry once lol - I do agree with the hammer drill feature that most people don't even know what it is (I didn't know what it was or how it could help until a few years ago). Been waiting for a good time to pick up that Fuel 18v combo for $400 plus extra tool but I don't really NEED it now, it's just a want thing lol
Was the loss prevention guy following the whole time?
Just FYI, those compact brushless are brand new, released this summer tools. Not old tools, and they are very good if you dont need the big boy fuel tools.
Yes!!!! He's thinking of the 149.99 one
@@timzalusky the ones I talked about at the end of my video seemed to be the newer non-fuel tools. The ones at the beginning, looked like they were very old from about six years ago.
I like how you give your honest opinion a lot of know don’t know shit about this so it’s great to hear your advice
The M18 Compact Drill out-performs the m12 fuel drill in almost every category. Not junk
I'm a small DIY person, so I just need the M18 fuel drill and I decided to go with the M18 fuel oscillating multi tool. It's perfect for me. They work great for my needs. If I need anything else in the future, I'll get it.
Your point about the rolling toolbox is why I returned all my packout equipment and went with Ridgid Pro Gear 2.0. The way the wheels and the handle can be clipped to anything makes it the only true modular kit in my opinion. I always have the 3 drawer on the bottom, than the large toolbox above it and than an organizer on top. So i can get into any box without disassembling anything.
I have been commercial plumbing for years, and i can assure you that in this environment, fuel just means you spent more money for no reason.
Nope you’re retarded
Coupe corrections the compact impact driver and drill for 299 is the newest brushless set and its non fuel. The blower on the free tool section is the latest quiet blower and has 500 cfm making it more powerful than your 2 previous gen models. I love mine for snow removal
The Home Depot site is not designed well. I went with the m18 battery + free tool. They have a few different ways to select the combo on the website where it will process but order will be cancelled as that sku code will process out of stock.
I save money on tools by getting the Bauer Tools at HFT. I am no longer working (retired) and the HFT tools are better (for me) at saving money on stuff that I do not need to use daily...
Yeah, I totally get it. Not a real fan of the Bauer line but I do really like the Hercules line up. Battery’s seem pretty good and the different large selection is very nice. Plus the price is right.
@@BlakesGarage Bauer also has more "Outdoor" yard tools that I like, they are perfect for my smaller yard size (6,800 sq.ft.).
having any tool for the job is 10x better than not having it!
Btw Milwaukee is coming out with a wheeled pack out that you don’t have to unstack, set to release some time early next year
That’s gonna be awesome. I’ll need to get my hands on one of those!
The 7 piece for $500 is unmatched.
I use the cheaper M18 when on extension ladder and m18 Fuel when on ground....,reason a few years ago I was on a 2nd floor and dropped the cheaper M18 in the lawn, still works but would of been pissed if it was my M18 Fuel....
M12s Fuel are great too.
Good video👍
Haha I feel that. That why I think the M12 line up is great for ladder and overhead work super light and rugged. Also I’ve definitely dropped a nice fuel M18 off a 10ft ladder multiple times and never had any issues.
good thinking
I've got the blower, d-handle jigsaw, tire inflator, compact router, and that small circ saw from a non fuel kit I bought a few years ago. that tire inflator is amazing and actually outperforms most other tire inflators I believe. I also have one of the wet/dry vacs which is REALLY useful and handy - I've used it so many times. Most of the tools I've gotten were buy a tool get free battery type of deal. I used to have a brushless 18v drill and brush 18v impact but gave those to my sister to give myself an excuse to check out the 12v fuel line and bought that kit but now I want to get that $399 drill/driver kit and grab either the sawzaw (I got the smaller brushed version) or the oscillating tool - I really want that pack out stereo instead of the radios they have.
Im glad there are guys that always go for the latest and greatest staying in debt and thinking bc something is little older its junk. Im 32 have 20 acres land 10 paid off. 22 cat excavator paid off. 22 ram cummins paid off. All trailers and equipment paid off. But i do have the old junk milwaukee but it works fine for me and im out of debt so i dont have take on jobs i hate anymore to have the latest best.
It's great you are living almost debt free. I agree this stuff's not junk because it's last year's model but that doesn't mean everyone's going in debt over some tools we're talking 400 to 500 here that's not a great deal of money. If a person doesn't have it to spend they shouldn't.
Good luck with paying that last 10 acres off fast. 😊
@Geoonthegrind yes sir thanks
Well you had a lot of expenses to pay of course you can’t buy newer tools. I’m the same way. I don’t have to buy the newest impact driver when my old one still works. I’m on the dewalt platform and thank goodness the don’t make new models all the time like Milwaukee. I have mostly 60v dewalt stuff and they don’t refresh them if it’s been working fine since they came out.
I hope I’ll be there soon with my mismatched hand me down tools to get me there 😂
@@FlyfellaI don't know how old you are but I will tell you as you get older cutting back on certain things and making things you got work really will help you get through all the financial times. 100% the greatest thing that ever happened to me was turning my life over to God and living for him it's not easy but you can do it. Cast all your cares on him and he'll guide you through. I know we really would like to have this that and the other we can't help ourselves we all have our Hang Ups hand tools are watermelon I like to have good equipment. But you're doing the right thing I'm making what you got work just remember your body will get old one day and you're going to need the better tool for the right situation so it's not so hard on your body. Best of luck and God Bless.
If it says brushless, it is fuel
Milwaukee table saw is the best deal, surprised you didn't give it more time.
Maybe I just glanced over it because I already have a big table saw. But it is very nice and a great deal you’re right. Plus putting it on a 8amp Forged battery is definitely the way to go.
@@BlakesGarage Great, thanks.
is the $400 fuel kit worth it?? I need both hammer and impact my DeWalt drills went to shite (my fault). Thought about switching but I'm not sure just yet.
yeah all the Fuel stuff is great brushless motors and will last for a long long time.
@ thank you!🙏🏼
Milwaukee brushless works great for me
i got that fuel 3/8 ratchet with the driver, two batteries and charger. all for only $199. which is the regular price for the fuel 3/8 ratchet tool ONLY
M12/M18 12/18V Lithium-Ion Cordless 3/8 in. Ratchet and 1/2 in. High Torque Impact Wrench with Friction Ring Combo Kit should I get it its 300
wish the milwaukee shop vac was on sale.
So, just so I'm clear when buying Milwaukee. Before they came out with the fuel line, they made junk?
Yeeeeee
Guess I have junk at my house 😅
It’s just the entry level stuff nowadays. So I think it’s better to buy once cry once and get the best stuff. That’s why I like the fuel line up. Also they always put out the most 🫘 for the 💰.
Yes non fuel is trash
Compared to today’s standards the non fuel gen 1 tools are not very good. However when they were first released they were still real competitive with other brands and was near top of the line quality at the time. Times change and technology advances, that’s all it is
Brushless tools are also good but not all of them. Fuel is always a safe bet
Fuel just means brushless.
Just so you know i added the forge 12.0 and the free 8.0 to my online cart for $249... It breaks down the pricing as $110(8)/$138(12).. great deal for returning the other one and keeping forged battery of your choice.
Love that hack!
Either your dewalt video is newer or Milwaukee is just way better bc this video has way more views lol. I love all my Milwaukee tools tho like my 2967 impact. I love the power that thing has.
Those drills aren't old by the way lol those are the newest compact brushless models
The 18 volt ones that is...
Agreed, dude needs to slow down a bit.
What about the ratchet deals? What would you recommend as a 3/8 ratchet?
My favorite ratchet is the fuel 3/8 extended reach. But the only one that was on sale was the fuel 3/8 in the kit.
Most of the Milwaukee non fuel or non brushless are totally fine for weekend diyers
Got the ratchet and impact driver kit for $174 after tax
The tool deal trick they have caught onto most won't give full refund
Love the BG annual black Friday deal videos
Thanks Kyle! I need to hit Harbor freight and do one there 👍🏻
Making the switch from RYOBI to Milwaukee that fuel drill/driver combo kit is where I’m going to start
I have both Milwaukee fuel tools and dewalt xr. I honestly use my dewalt tools more. They just feel better and the batteries seem to last longer. A lot of Dewalt xr line which stacks up with fuel neck to neck is cheaper then the m18 fuel line up, but then again I guess it’s all really just preference. I use my Milwaukee multi tool more then my Dewalt. A lot of the guys at work who are Milwaukee heads have been using my dealt xr hammer drill and impact more than their m18 fuel hammer and impacts lately lol they say it feels smoother especially when auguring through multiple studs of wood at the same time
I used to be a DeWalt guy as well. Everything at work and at my house was all of sea of yellow. I think the biggest thing that did it for me on the Milwaukee stuff was the fact of how long Milwaukee has been running off of the same battery platform. Also, all of their innovation with their new tools. I mostly started out my lineup with all the mechanics tools, so impact drivers, wrenches, and a bunch of their hand tools. The fact that Milwaukee seems to make everything that was once corded or pneumatic now in electric is pretty amazing. That’s where I really think they shine. Is there always coming out with a new tool for the trades!
@@BlakesGarage They are all making the same stuff nowadays.
Hey Blake I know you don’t like the non fuel tools. But I wanted to get your thoughts on the 9 tool combo kit online for $599? Mostly for a homeowner setup. Or would you suggest the 5 tool combo fuel kit shown but not talked about in your video?
I have the non fuel 9 tool combo . If you’re using the tools sparingly then sure go for it . But in a professional setting they are trash . Milwaukee as a whole is unimpressive. Battery life is atrocious. I’m a cabinetmaker and they just don’t stack up in a professional setting
It really just depends on if you need all nine of those tools. Being a homeowner setup I get that having more is definitely an advantage. But like the previous person said in professional setting the fuels are much better. I personally have never had an issue with any of the batteries myself. I always tend to use 5 amp hour and above. Then I get more than enough power in time out of them. It also depends on if you have a particular project that you are looking to do. Like if you were putting together a deck, I would wanna have some fuel tools in my lineup as they put out more beans 🫘.
As a homeowner, it's perfect.
I am looking to buy the $199 M18 battery / tool combo and I will return the battery and keep the angle grinder or the M18 Surge impact.
Wait does this workkkkk
Yes, it works, but the tool is not free. This is a hack you can use you buy the battery and the tool you would like they will give you values on both items. It will obviously be less than the $200 for each then you just return one for example I could get an eight amp forged battery for around $110 if you buy one of the tools and then just return the tools that come with a free battery. I just put out a RUclips short on this check it out.
@@BlakesGarage I used this hack to buy my m18 mid torque impact. You used to be able to see the break down on the home depot website but now you can not. So you have to buy the kit, get the tool and look at the receipt to see the prices.
Top Off everyday price is $99
Just spent 7k converting over to M18 Fuel and Forge. Got four free batteries out of it, two of them Forge 6.0! Oh, plus a hat and tshirt 😂 Having said that, those teeny CP2.0 / CP3.0 batteries are mint on nailers, just too heavy to run a Forge all day on them. I bought that huge 2967-20 impact and my very first M18 battery, the 12.0 Forge for a wheel-bearing job... Yeah, the impact didn't even feel it.
Yeah the Forge batteries are a game changer! 😂
7k in power tools. Bet it felt amazing opening all those boxes. Better than Christmas
You don't see a value in the router or the grinder lol? I was looking at those before the others. 😂
@@dylanfinch6186 they definitely have value, but I just picked up a new Milwaukee breaking grinder and I have two other others so that’s kind of why it wasn’t popping into my head. The router for me isn’t something that I use enough and I have a cord one for when I actually need it. But if you do a lot of woodworking, yeah the router is awesome.
@BlakesGarage yeah, I get that. The Braking grinder is probably significantly nicer than the free one. That's the one thing that I'm thinking about before grabbing the grinder in these kits. What are your thoughts on the braking grinder vs this standard fuel model?
@ I prefer a braking as it’s not only safer but you can also put I down quicker and get back to the prior thing you’re doing. I think all of them are Fuel.
M18 sub compact is not old. It’s good and outperforms m12 fuel
Do they have any kind of razor or shears??? You could use a shave & haircut, dude.
Bro January 2025 they are releasing the rolling base with a sliding drawer
250 dollars though bro. 😅
@ nahhh, you think they are going to try to get that much?
@@MrJoe8K yeah it was announced by Milwaukee priced at 250
Yoooo that sick hell yeah 👍🏻
I think imma sell my m12 3/8 stubby gen2 for the high torque 😂
No, I’d just added to the collection. There’s lots of times that the stubby is going to be way better than the high torque just because you’ll be able to get into tight places. The high torque is pretty big and heavy but yeah it’s also got all the 🫘
Are you a maintenance person for the public library? The gold drill bits are worthless. Milwaukee brand is starting to become corporate in quality. Just watch a Milwaukee step bit test by another RUclipsr get destroyed by cheap china stuff.
Dont get the hex keys waste of money you barely use them 😅 i bought then i returned and got the Milwaukee GFCI Tester 😂
Pretty crappie "deals" everyone has basic stuff. They didn't offer up the good stuff. Check your real supply houses
youtube has hit a new low, a dude in a department store showing product
blower is the newer version.
You absolutely cannot return half the order. They let you return 100% of it or non.
Watch my new short I posted today. You definitely can return half as they value each item at discounted price. You obviously don’t get to keep anything for free but this is a hack to get more batteries or tools at a much cheaper price.
I do the HD hack all the time without any issues
@ exactly
Way overpriced
Brush up on your packout news. Ignorant complaints