Does Nespresso make REAL espresso?
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2020
- Nespresso is an elegant and convenient way to make your favorite coffee at home, like a latte or an americano. But is it really making an espresso? While many would argue that it is only emulating espresso, I think there may be more to this question than just a black and white answer. Let’s take a look together in this video as I discuss how we define espresso, and why Nespresso might be even better than a traditional espresso machine for the home user.
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Great video -- couldn't agree more with your conclusion that it's really about taste. I've found that nespresso and peet's coffee capsules make an enjoyable shot; cheaper made ones, well, they taste, "cheaper." Enjoyed your thoughts and your research!
@@delrichardson3152 thanks for watching!! So glad you enjoyed
I’ve had several quality espresso machines over the past 20 years and enjoyed the process. Having said that, I now own a Nespresso machine and the shots come out decent every time with no hassle.
Yes, and I love it. Snobbery, like exaggerated facial-expression thumbnails, is just clickbait to get views and subs. Thanks for making sense and not wasting my time.
@@desertfox432 You're welcome !! And thank you for watching! I must admit I have just 1 video where I exaggerate my thumbnail expression HAHA guilty !
Almost everyone I know who bought an (automatic) espresso machine have ditched it because it broke or it was too much work cleaning. I am still rocking my nespresso machine for about 7 years now. It does not deliver a ‘heavenly’ espresso but it is consistently good and also is very easy to use with minimal cleaning. I have two tips. 1) always warm up the machine first with no pod in it to clean out dirty water and to warm up the inside of the machine. 2) If you don’t like the lungo it makes (like me), try to make Americano coffee :)
What is your nespresso machine?
I would never buy an automatic espresso machine because sooner or later it will break down AND you can't really dial in your taste....but the same thing is true of Nespresso Machines (and yes I have owned one, specifically to find out how it works/compares to a professional machine....World's apart! )For those of you who have never experienced coffee from a pro machine, you will not know what you are missing. There is a middle of the road low level flavor to the Nespresso Pods AND you may not be able to even purchase the flavor of a specific coffee you like,. I even bought the stainless steel reuseable pods, filled it with my favorite coffee and that didn't work.
I am into using reusable capsules, the type with no consumables, entirely reusable, and then you can play around with all parameters. I brew a lot of non-coffee beverages too with the machine and it works like a charm, particularly I love using it to brew mate. You can use the same capsule of mate at least 4 or 5 times before it starts to be too watery for my taste.
Nespresso tastes clearly not as good as "real" espresso made by a skilled coffee hobbyist or trained barista. However, it tastes way, WAAAAY, better than what is serverd as espresso in 95% of restaureants, bars, cafes (only counting these who use a real portafilter machine) on the street! Yes, that"s how bad espresso quality is in most public places.
It's an unfortunate reality out there! It's so easy to get a machine in your business, but also so easy to mess it up with lack of training...
You're so right. Though at home I make Nespressos, I've occasionally tried cafes, for away-from-home cup. Bored barista at one place; the coffee was no more than barely-flavored milk/water. Contrast that to another cafe: great espresso, very satisfying, and where the barista came across and asked me what I thought of it. Guy keen about what he was doing. There's no substitute for that level of dedication.
this is true. And i think it happens because the owners don't care about anything other than money. money is the most important. they do not care about the quality of the product, the conditions of the employee, the emotions of the guests
That's very interesting.
"I Am Nobody"...that was a great observation.
There are some small cafes where the owner/staff have been there for years...they'll be using a small old school Gaggia or Faema or some other unknown brand...but it don't matter...they know a good bean, the barista/owner knows how to make a good extraction and also steamed milk accordingly and they know their terminology on what type of coffee you're asking for. And if you watch them work, you know they know the machine inside out. However, if you go to these popular chains, the staff rotate often, the machines are generally foolproof in the larger chains so the expresso extraction itself may not be the problem but their understanding of what they are making may not be clear. For instance, one person's idea of a double long macchiato might be very different than another's - and if you're in a long line, you're likely going to be disappointed by the result with no recourse. That small café run by the same owner/barista will take the time to make sure your coffee is a good experience.
Excellent presentation. You have a clear and precise way of explaining things.
Just tried my parents nespresso machine and was so Surprised at how good the coffee was, great body and sweetness, great video!
It's so simple, efficient, and consistent. Great stuff! Thanks for watching!
wow man you really enlightened me thank you for the information 👍🏻👍🏻
Absolutely wonderful review! I like that you took a lot of time to focus on the data and metrics but ultimately brought it back to the taste.
Thanks for watching ! Taste is ultimate goal for me 😊
Excellent review! Thank you.
So objective & pragmatic discussion. Great job.
And NO MESS!!! Great review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!!
Great comparison and explanation with one detail that needs to be tweaked, Nespresso pixie model that is being shown in the beginning of the video has actually 19 bars of pressure, not 15 bars.
Thank you for this video! Hey I’ve been a happy Nespresso customer since 2005. Around 2008 I decided to research making espresso in traditional ways, but doing that all the work, money and room I’d need didn’t compare to the consistent and compact solution Nespresso offered. So I stuck with Nespresso. I’ll never turn down a cafe style espresso, but being able to brew a perfect cup of espresso with a touch of a button is amazing. I also appreciate how they assume responsibility of recycling their own pods. I subscribed to your channel cause I like your style and diversity. Thanks for making me feel like I still enjoy true espresso!
Thank you for watching and for giving your story! It's the reality for a lot of people, that they cant be bothered with all of the money and time it takes to do the full espresso machines. I even tried it myself, and it was fun for a bit, but I sold it 2 years later. Thanks for subscribing btw!! Cheers!
Phenomenal review man
Nice detailed video. Subscribed!!
Amazin! Lots of stats, just how I like it!
Appreciate you stopping by and watching!! Cheers!
Very professionally done 😊
I agree. Good review!
great points mate, keep it up!
Great review, thanks
Thanks for watching! Happy coffee making :)
Hey, great channel, with lots of potential. Subscribed. Just remember (from an engineer) that the pressure generated by a vibration pump is not directly related to what is experienced in an open channel, like the uncompacted nespresso grounds. If you shake the capsule, the grounds just move around. That is my biggest dislike about Nespresso. There should be enough ground coffee in there to fill the capsule. The coffee never sees 15 bar, not even 9. And the "crema" from these capsules is made with the help on an aeration device in the nozzle. Having said that, it is often good, and more often than not, it is better than what is available in commercial cafes.
Great presentation, although I'd like to point out that the water goes in through the top (grids) and out through the 3 holes at the bottom. You'll notice the filter at the bottom of the pod when the pod is emptied of the grounds.
Thank you for your video.
Thanks for watching!
Dear Jordan!
What quality content... really liked this video, the way you presented it and your view on the subject. Definitely a channel to like and subscribe. Best from Greece!
Thanks for watching!! You are too kind :)
Can someone please tell me if I can use the contents from Nespresso pods to prepare different flavored latte or Macchiato in my Espresso machine?
Well done!
Awesome video! Can you share which pods you think taste best?
Thanks for watching! I've been thinking of doing this, but first I'll actually be reviewing some limited edition Nespresso pods next week so make sure to check that out!
I like that I don't have to wash the equipment for nespresso like you do for an espresso machine. I also have a standard semi-old espresso machine so the beans have to be pre-grinded, the machine doesn't have a built on grinder. Which means I don't get the extra freshness. I also don't have some of the Macchiato options or iced coffee. The steam wand also doesn't produce enough foam so I use a French press instead. Meaning I think given my current circumstances a nespresso would be the cheaper, easier way to go. Unless you have another suggestion? I have heard of the different Italian names to pull a shot whether extracted longer or shorter but I hear this is going to be most likely the best. Thoughts?
i laterally had to google to see what a french press is, +1 for all of your points,
1. keeping the place and the machine clean,
2. need grinder or lose freshness or buy very small amounts of preprinted ,
@@akissot1402 agreed and thank you
Can you do the large capsules ?
🙋🏻♂️Caffeine addict here. I can feel a difference in the amount or quality of caffeine from Starbucks espresso to my Nespresso machine. Starbucks hits different, must extract more caffeine per brew.
Really helpful, thank you :)
Do you recommend the orginal or the other one? I really enjoy espresso more, but I occasionally like coffee.
Great video👍👍
Great review, true with some cafes even have great machines, just didn't produce a good coffee
Thanks for watching !!
At first, I meant to buy an espresso machine but then I realised how much work it needed just to brew a coffee (plus the cleaning and the grinding). As an outgoing person, it's just not for me. So I bought a Nespresso machine instead. It does the same job and is more convenient and easy to clean.
Love this video!
It's certainly working for a lot of people! Glad you enjoy it 😊
Awesome review! What are some of your favorite darker roast capsules?
Hmm I cant quite remember what it's called, but the purple one is really nice. High intensity. I also tried the max intensity once, with a reddish colored capsule. A little too much haha
I have two Breville Nespresso Virtuo machines that work amazingly well. Unfortunately I also have a Nespresso branded Virtuo Next machine that never works properly. It is the second problematic one that Nespresso has sent me. The Breville Virtuo machines make great coffee and I’m very spoiled by them. The Pixie I have just doesn’t cut it and has been put on the shelf. Still love my Breville Barista too!
The best part about the Virtuo machines is that you can reuse the aluminum pods to make your own custom coffee creations. Nespresso was modelling its machines around the printer and ink concept. ( Give away the machine for a bargain price and recoup with over priced coffee pods). Thank goodness for RUclips and Amazon.
P.S. The centrifuge concept of coffee extraction is brilliant in my opinion. Thanks for the comprehensive review also!
Great video! Just got a nespresso vertuo plus as a gift from my parents and after that I started reading about quality of the quality of the coffee in nespresso pods. I found that vertuo machines and original ones make slightly different coffees while the original onrs make better espresso because of better extraction. What are your thoughts on this comparison? Thanks! 🤘
Hey! Welcome to the Nespresso crew :P yea I'd say the original does a better job on espresso. The mechanics behind it are much closer to that of a traditional espresso machine, compared to vertuo. But it also makes sense since the original is so focused on the espresso style where vertuo is more multipurpose
Another important comparison is the use of fresh coffee as well as freshly ground coffee. These details add to the extraction process and creating real crema vs “faux” crema that a pressurized filter mechanic is producing. Most noticeably, fresh and stale beans directly affect flavor, which is arguably
a pretty important detail of the coffee experience. Any pod system I’ve owned or tried has a distinct instant coffee or stale taste to it. Fine for the convenience, but I place taste and quality on the top of my list and am willing to take the time to get it.
Could you blend beans in a Burr grinder and put them in a reusable K pod? Bet that would be fancy
Definitely important to make a distinction on freshness and quality. Although I wouldn't say crema is either "real" or "faux". Crema is crema. That is to say, crema occurs when carbon dioxide in ground coffee is put under high pressure and dissolved in to the water. As the liquid leaves the machine (be it Nespresso or La Marzocco), the water cannot hold on to as much CO2 as it returns to atmospheric pressures. Thus, the CO2 leaves the water and forms a foam on top that also holds and suspends coffee oils/particles.
What I mean by all this is that if there is a foam on top, it's crema. Going back to the freshness of it all, I don't know exactly how well their hermetically sealed capsules hold out, but there is at least some CO2 remaining. Enough to create the crema we see from Nespresso
PS. I do agree though that the capsule systems leave a somewhat stale and instant taste... and I'm with you on grinding fresh 100%, when quality is the priority.
@@CoffeeTimeJR The difference is that the real crema is made from the pressure acting on the actual coffee puck.
The „fake crema“ is made by „cheating“, i.e. there is a pressurized double walled basket which creates the pressure by adding an „artificial layer“ of resistance yielding to a simplified extraction process. This is also why such systems actually easier to handle (giving consistent shots without the need to adjust things like grind size and so on).
However, the crema is actually not important for the taste (many people say it is actually better to get rid of the crema by using a spoon) and also not an indicator for a good espresso.
But using such a pressurized basket still has other important implications for the taste which is one of many reasons why Nespresso machines lack behind a real espresso machine used by a good/medium Barista.
Used nespresso since 2016, bought it because i never bothered to learn how to make espresso and the machines were too expensive for me. I own a La Pavoni for about a month now and i will never go back..
Just got my machine and love it. I have never found a great cup of coffee where I live unless it has a ton of additives. Here, basic Folgers is 2.50 or more and espresso type drinks are 6.00. I live rurally in the Colorado mountains and want a great cup of coffee first thing in the morning, no waiting, no driving. I love espresso and this does make a fantastic one. Only trouble I have is not drinking five a day, they're so good.
Such a good example of how Nespresso can work well in all kinds of scenarios. Especially when access to good coffee is so limited. Glad you enjoy!
I own a nespresso mashine. I like it. 😊
I'm surprised by how good Nespresso is. I would not enjoy the coffee if it wasn't created under pressure. I think the higher bar is a good idea and 15 is not excessive. I do use different brands of capsules and for a 50 euro home machine with each coffee costing 20 cents, I don't think I could beat it for convenience and taste.
20 cents per capsule? I've always been anti Nespresso because I thought they were a lot more? 👀
@@tonygibbons5 with the new "virtuo line" the original capsules I've noticed are a solid 3 dollars less across the board than their virtuo counterparts.
Also, with nestle REALLY pushing their proprietary, barcode covered virtuo pods, more companies have the opportunity to safely (without being legally harassed) make capsules
Also, the virtuo "centrifusion technology" is basically just coffee made THROUGH a blender. Hoffman did a video on it
Just graduated from a Keurig to a Nespresso. One day I'll actually make real coffee at home.
Found this video when searching for recommendations on capsules to try for making lattes and such at home. Do not have to be name brand. Interested in hearing any favorites from the OP or any of his subscribers!
Welcome aboard! Thanks for dropping by and giving the video a watch 😊 I've got a playlist with a few capsule reviews, some I've been enjoying lately. My all time favorite is the La Cumplida Refinada. Not sure if that's still available out there. But also their recent christmas ones like the Forest Fruit are really tasty.
Apart from those I tend to stock some basics, some ones I know I like, and a couple decaf. I go for a strength of 8 or 9 when i want something really dark. Best though is to get a bunch up front and find what works for you!
@@CoffeeTimeJR Thanks! Have you tried any of the non-Nestle branded ones as well? Those tend to be a lot less expensive
Unfortunately I have not tried any non branded.. though I've been looking at some from London that are even more expensive with fancy specialty coffee inside lol haven't pulled the trigger yet
hi there :) does your capsule storage has lights?
Hi! Currently I just keep the capsules in their original cartons that they were shipped in, and I put them in a closet.
Nespresso for me is a good way to get relatively decent coffee
Only relatively decent?
Agree, decent coffee in a really convenient package.
So is this considered espresso or no?
Great vid~ what are you favourite nespresso pods??
Thanks for watching! You know I was just thinking of doing a video on that. I particularly enjoy the corto with a little milk. The strong ones are also particularly enjoyable if you want to add sugar, like that red one that is a strength of 13 haha.
I think the best espresso on it's own might be those ones from single origins, like Ethiopia. But I also like the Volluto as straight espresso!
@@CoffeeTimeJR Yeah they're good ones, keep up the vids~
Cheers mate
Thank you for this video. I like espresso (really any strong but tasty coffee), but my level of functioning first thing in the morning will not allow for any complicated process greater than operating a toaster. Other reviews talked about everything but the quality of the finished product. Now I just need to know which Nespresso machine to purchase. Any recommendations?
Hey! Thanks for watching! So in terms of the model, it really depends on what you're looking for. First off, they have 2 main lines: the vertuo, and the classic.
The classic is only espresso, no pods for a full cup of coffee. But you could cheat and make an americano.
The vertuo has less selection specifically for espresso shots, but it has the option to make full cups of coffee.
It depends what's important to you, and if youd prefer mostly espresso based drinks (lattes, americanos) or if you want a machine that outputs an entire cup.
As far as the specific models go, I wouldnt overthink them. Honestly from what I've researched, the many different models in each line really come down to the build material. For instance, the whole classic line is actually using the exact same mechanics inside for each model. Nothing different. But the material used for the cheapest of the line is mostly plastic, the middle model has more aluminum, and the next up and more expensive uses mostly aluminum and steel. So that's really what you're paying for; build quality
@@CoffeeTimeJR Thank you so much for the information. I'd love one day to upgrade to an actual espresso machine but I realize making espresso is not the same as using a drip machine. I currently use a Keurig with a reusable Kcup filter basket. It's ok but doesn't provide quite the level of satisfaction I want.
@@noeinroad7294 No problem! Yea, you know at the end of the day you should choose whatever option you think makes tasty coffee and is convenient.
I've done home espresso on a machine as well, and honestly it's not that easy. You waste a lot of coffee dialing in a new bean. And when you make an adjustment to the grinder, you have to purge some coffee through. Ended up using half a bag just to get a half decent shot.
I personally focus on making good pour over coffee, and leave the espresso to the cafes with the heavy duty machines.
No shame in an automatic machine though. I totally get the need for a quick and easy method, when you are just waking up haha. If you dont like your quality of coffee though, but still want an auto brewer, I'd recommend investing in a more expensive automatic brewer. Something like the Breville Precision Brewer, or the Technivorm Moccamaster. Great options for getting nerdy with it but still keeping the process simple
@@CoffeeTimeJR HA! We think alike! Gave up on espresso "tinkering" -- so messy when I am half-awake! I own both a VL and OL, -- for many years, but my morning routine is Behmor Roasted beans, and a Moccamaster! I save the Nespresso's for afternoon quick shots.
@@CoffeeTimeJR Nice video, and good insight there. But about the Vertuo: I think it's vastly over-rated, and is a misleading marketing exercise. Its largest capsule produces a so-called "full cup", but appearances are deceptive. That "full cup" includes a massive head of foam, that the manufacturer would have us believe is all delicious crema. Another YT video recently exposed that Vertuo-produced "crema" to be aerated froth; effectively, the high-speed spinning device in the Vertuo machine is a simple blender - and blenders make massive froth.
Nespresso already makes a machine that can make full cups: its the original Nespresso line of machines, available for many years. Make a full cup by making double or triple shots, to fill the cup. A double shot is no stronger in taste than is a single shot, but it is twice the volume of coffee powder, twice the amount of caffeine, and twice the coffee output - and for me, twice the time to enjoy the drinking pleasure. :)
You mentioned you had a couple of "favorite" nespresso pods. What are they?
Ooh yes! Currently the La Cumplida is my favorite. I actually did a video on that one. But I'm also enjoying the fruit one they released recently! Cant remember the exact name..
I also have a secret guilty pleasure for making a latte with a bit of sugar and using the really dark ones with strength 10-13 haha
I am a foodie, from small specialty delicatessen to a rather famous hotel in New Orleans on Saint Charles (I was a banquet captain while finishing my masters degree). The higher pressure of the Nespresso machine allows to water temperature to be slightly less and produce the same result. it’s physics. Consistency is fantastic, high-quality, and low maintenance. While traveling in Italy it is possible to find a better cup but you would be hard-pressed. (lol) I thoroughly enjoy my machine.
Yes I would agree that the concept of the high pressure is to make up for lower temperatures. I'd be curious though to see how often these shots channel. Higher pressures will force themselves on the coffee in typically negative ways, by really digging down in to the bed
My goodness who new so much thought went into coffee?? Not me! Lol
question: I love Starbucks expresso. I get 3 shots to put in my premier protein every morning . Which machine would you recommend?
Hey! Thanks for watching! I'd certainly recommend the original line of Nespresso. Super easy to use, and you can pull all the shots you like. Ends up being cheaper than Starbucks and saves you money :)
@@CoffeeTimeJR thank you so much I appreciate your input and I loved your video
Hello.
Actually, the original line Nespresso machines works at 19 bar of pressure. :)
Thanks for the correction! Wow that is even higher than I'd thought. Not sure where I got that wrong... Apologies!
you said r legend 👍
There's a *ton* of snobbery attached to coffee, especially here in the UK, where there's a long-standing obsession with social class!
Ooh totally! One of my missions to get rid of snobbery in coffee !
nespresso is wayyyy cheaper than espresso machines authorized by these organizations. at least it is a better coffee than 3 in 1 packets.
For sure haha. With a decent machine costing around 1k, it's hard to say no to Nespresso!
@@CoffeeTimeJR and then there's a decent grinder on top that costs hundreds!
@@m.s.g1890 indeed! It could also be argued that the grinder is more important than the machine itself, and therefore the same cost or MORE than the machine. Crazy.. I'll stick to espresso in cafes, or do automatic machines at home like Nespresso haha
@@CoffeeTimeJRspot on, sir! I'm with you all the way. A v60 at home is fine if you just want to a bit of DIY action in your life, but even then you really need a good grinder, soooo........ lol
I will say however, that long-term, espresso machines would cost you a lot less than a Nespresso machine, depending on how much coffee you consume. It’s like how buying a printer is fairly cheap, but the ink is what you’re really paying for - pods are fairly expensive and will really add up over time. You could get a bean-to-cup Breville/Sage with an integrated grinder which is a much, much larger inital investment, however depending on what beans you buy the cost per cup of coffee is dramatically cheaper and you will likely see some serious savings in the long run.
What's your favorite pod
Favorite all time was the La Cumplida Refinada from Colombia. I've got a review video for it if you want to see. Currently the raspberry one they released for christmas is pretty tasty !
Same with Association Verace Pizza Napoletana. Gotta go by the rules, and YES I BELIEVE IT MATTERS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!!
In my opinion, its still important to be careful about restricting people and boxing them into narrow definitions. I totally get that a governing body can be helpful to maintain heritage/tradition and (sometimes) quality. But in other times, innovation and maybe even increased quality can come from breaking the barriers of a definition
I just got my nespresso machine. Going from espresso machine to nespresso it is wayyyyy easier and less time consuming. The result for me is pretty much the same ( perhaps espresso machine has more body ). Overall it is great solution
Which espresso machine did you use ?
My cheap Delonghi EC155 espresso machine does just as good just as easy, with any ground coffee of my choice for 1/2 the cost.
Glad you're enjoying what you make :D
I am considering this as well rather than getting the cheapest Nespresso machine. I generally just want good strong coffee when making iced lattes at home. How's the day2day usage and long-term cost of it?
Yoni Caragay I truly enjoy the Delonghi EC155 in day to day use. Most important is to get a good grinder. For me it was the Baratza Encore. Positive is that you get flexibility to choose any coffee bean out there and make the strength you want. There is a learning curve on making the right ground size for the 30 sec. shot. Each bean is different. A 12 oz (340 g) bag of Peet’s French Roast whole bean costs $6.50 on sale after tax.
340g/(10g per double shot) = 34 cups = 19 cents per cup of double shot.
Nespresso capsules, on the other hand, contains 5 to 6g of coffee each and costs on Amazon today: 72 cents per capsule. So 19 cents vs 72 cents. It can add up for sure depending on how much coffee you drink per year.
The bad part of the Delonghi is that it is manual and it does take a few minutes to fill the hopper, tamp, brew and clean. The milk streamer is ok, but not great. I end up using the Nespresso sitting next to it for convenience of making the steamed milk.
Bottom line is that if you are lazy and just want your coffee on, and you don’t mind paying premium for the convenience, get a Nespresso. It tastes good enough. Otherwise, make the initial investment in a good hopper and you’ll never regret it.
@@Taraisgood Thanks. Yeah I kinda see the compelling use cases for either of the two. I think both will require a decent upfront to start with (delonghi + good grinder will more or less cost the same with the entry-level Nespresso) And I think at some point, I might have to get both haha.
Convenience is my reason for owning it. If i need a quick cup of coffee, I could reach for A) instant coffee B) Nespresso pods. The latter produces a FAR superior cup of coffee in more or less the same amount of time. 2 lungos, a splash of milk. You're set. Are there better tasting options? Yes. None as convenient.
My secret sauce is to make a moka pot of coffee using a Brikka, then spiking it with a shot from my nespresso.. Yummy....
They have some great capsule. But it will be better if they contain 8g of coffee per capsule. 5g is too little
I, for one, like the small doses, because then you get to drink more coffees throughout the day, without getting over caffeinated
I've cut open a few different Nespresso capsules, measured the weights of their contents. They varied from 5 grams to 7 grams, so average 6 grams.
If you want a stronger coffee, two solutions for you: (1) Express each capsule using the Ristretto (small) button instead of the Espresso (medium) button. Alternatively, (2) reprogram your machine to pump less water, using the instructions in your machine's manual. Either way, you will need to use more capsules for the same volume output.
I'm not the biggest fan of capsule machines.
I have a good filter coffee machine at home. Combined with a decent grinder, it makes great coffee.
Actually, you know what, if you use NS pods in something like nanopresso (or just stop brewing at the right time) it can indeed produce very nice espresso (I know it is not quite, but it is kind of the best pods can do. In fact, I would like to question how do they get blonde/light roast to work in there)
Also, I would bet that offical Nespresso machine don't even have a pressurized basket and it is probably pumping water in there at like 5-7 Bar only. I have tried brewing 40g with NS capsule on nanopresso and the result is disgustingly over-extracted, and the only difference is pressurized potrafilter/basket.
Yea its interesting to experiment with. I should really try stopping shots early, like a 1:2 ratio and see how it taste. Never really considered it before. I suppose though that the grind size is expecting a longer shot.. so maybe it works out maybe not
@@CoffeeTimeJR FYI I am using Starbucks pods, blonde and espresso roast to be exact
I have the Nespresso essenza mini(original line), my friend has the brevile barista pro... The Nespresso(medium roast pods number 5-6 )is pretty close to the taste of the espresso out of the barista pro and Consider the cost, time and effort it takes to make an espresso, it is a no brainer for me, the slightly better taste is not worth it for the extra work and time... And don't take my word for it, if you have a Nespresso store near you,they usually do samples, just go there and ask for a sample out of the original line and see for your self
I have a gaggia baby espresso machine, a Gaggia anima prestige fully automatic machine and a Nespresso machine. The Gaggia baby is a pain to use, sloppy and I am inconsistent with the shots. The anima prestige is nice and makes a decent shot but it takes up lots of real estate on the counter. The Nespresso is small and easiest to use, it makes a fair shot. So, these days it is the Nespresso machine I mostly use because it is a no brainer and I am ok with the taste of the shot. P.s. I agree with you 100%.
Thanks for sharing!! Tried home espresso before, but similar results for me! It's hard to do well, and I just leave it to the cafes now haha
imagine talking about "Apple pie" and the APA (apple pie association) says that only a few select apple,oven,and cook can make a real apple pie. all other arent real apple pie.
can you see how this is stupid and unscientific? a apple pie or espresso in this case can be made in alot of different way with different ingredients and it will create a end product that is very similar to another, but with some slight difference.
what is your goal here? to make the exact same thing your starbucks make? or to make an espresso?
Yep that's the same point I'm making :D
It's fun to explore the historical origins of drinks, but by no means are we required to follow them or worship them
@@CoffeeTimeJR i wrote a very detailed answer, but clicked cancel instead of "reply".
anyway, thank you very much for your videos and comment.
There are different types of Apple Pie though.
English Apple Pie
Dutch Apple Pie
Tarte Tatin
Apple Crumb
Apple Turnover
Apple Cobbler
All similar, but different. A Tarte Tatin is not an Apple Cobbler nor is an Apple Cobbler a Dutch Apple Pie.
The question of whether or not Nespresso is Espresso isn’t the real question.
Nespresso is not American Espresso and American Espresso is not Italian Espresso. You can call them all espresso, but they are different styles and are actually rather different.
19 bars not 15. for the pixie
The more I learn about coffee, the less I want to make traditional espresso at home. I have my favourite spots in town for it, and at home, I'm more than happy to perfect my filter coffee and potentially eventually just get a nespresso machine that does what it says on the tin.
Exactly! Espresso is very difficult to do well at home. It's expensive, wasteful, and I have never found it truly satisfying. Alternatively (as you say), you can get a relatively cheap pour over set up and brew some world class coffee from roasters around the world without wasting coffee and purging your grinder with every change.
I like the coffee from Nespresso. it's not real Nespresso however but it's in Espresso amounts
if the same coffee/strenght was produced at say 2x the amount the lungo makes I'd love it. but it's just too little. each capsule is 0.8$ and has waste on the packaging so it feels wrong to do 2x capsules
Espresso is the result of hot water pressure through grounded coffee, so yes they make real espresso. Not as good, but it is espresso.
Well that is one definition for espresso, but don't forget that many large and prominent organizations in the industry would disagree with you on how general and inclusive that description is! But yes, of course it just comes down to naming and how we define espresso
Your definition is vague.
Filter coffee is made but putting 205F water at 1Bar through ground coffee. Hot coffee under pressure.
Aeropress also. More pressure (but not 9 bar)
So obviously you have to include some other parameters.
@@gamesgeargadgets I wouldn't call 1 bar as under pressure, it doesn't exert any force compared to the outside air. My definition of pressure is, the brewing vessel will explode all over the kitchen walls if it suddenly fails, which is true for nespresso and regular espresso machines, but not for pour overs.
Edit: I don't think an aeropress generates the kind of pressure that'll make you flinch if the press suddenly cracks.
I’m on the fence. How weak does it have to be before it is no longer espresso? If both are well-extracted, it seems that Nespresso is about half strength, which might be fine straight but not in an Americano or milk drink recipe. To me, the whole point of espresso is a well-balanced but concentrated brew. If you want nespresso-strength why not just use a pour over or aero press?
A thing you should note is the quality of the coffee inside the pod, nespresso puts awful quality beans. Also, a thing about the 15 bars is that it exagerates the crema making it look extra premium.
Very good video though!
Aint no beana auwful
You are just a coffee KAREN!
Awesome video. I have Delonghi automatci machine and I also have a Nespresso machine. I also have a Breville machine with a traditional portafilter. I use the Nespresso the most out of all three. It’s convenient, consistent, and there is a wide variety of capsule available not only from Nespresso, but other entities such as Starbucks and Lavazza. What is interesting is that you can put three different “professional Baristas” in front of the same machine with the same coffee and get three very different results. All three will claim that their Espresso shot is the “correct” one. Truly none of three meet what in Italy is the true definition of espresso. So, I agree with you completely, use the machine you like and the coffee that meets your personal preference. PS I’ve had espresso shots from some well known coffee shops that employ “professionally trained” baristas that I thought were absolutely horrible tasting.
Espresso is better than Starbucks at least.. not that I’m a snob lol
At least I can drink Nespresso espresso by itself. Starbucks espresso is just bitter.
I can’t help to notice the way you talk which is cute lol
😊 Aw thanks!
Great video providing a fact information & principle of espresso for comparison.
Actually, it depends on your lifestyle. Nespresso give me much a chill morning routine while i can still get coffee ready!
Waiting and queueing in the coffee shop makes me frustrater than the lessen taste 😂
The long and short of it, if you can't be arsed to deal with grinding beans, measuring and extracting every time you want a shot then it's hard to go too wrong with a system like Nespresso. Even the likes of Tassimo and Kurig have their place. I will stick with my consistent 30-40p a shot "not" expresso and leave all that fiddling about for someone else
Yep! I used to do home espresso, but I realized how incredibly frustrating and oftentimes wasteful the process is for the home user. With a cheap to moderate machine you are losing out on the quality of the machine and certain features like dual boiler. This becomes frustrating when things dont go right because of mechanical or quality issues. With an expensive machine, you can certainly get good espresso (I'm talking $1k+), but the amount of coffee wasted to dial in a shot is crazy. The time it takes to clean everything properly, and then do it again the next day, is also (to me) wasteful.
All in all, i leave the manual espresso brewing to the cafes like where i work. They've got extremely expensive equipment and are constantly adjusting the espresso all day long. Much more suited to it than I am at home
@@CoffeeTimeJR I disagree, if you have a good machine and have already set ratios using the same beans, it’s just a matter of letting the machine heat up, grind your beans and you’re pretty much all set every morning. It doesn’t take much time to clean. Also, with Nespresso, if there is a pod you don’t like, the rest of the sleeve is a waste. There’s nothing you can do to tweak. It also takes time and money to find a flavor you like with Nespresso.
espresso maker is still better.. freshly grinding the coffee bean is still way better than pre packed coffee plus the variation of freshly made espresso vs nespresso
To each their own I think :) what is "better" will always be subjective based on many factors (quality is of course one, but so is convenience, price, skill required, etc.)
I have both a Nespresso and a very good espresso machine. There’s no question whatsoever that an espresso machine will produce better results! The Nespresso for me is just for a quick cup.
Synopsis:
Are they the same?
No.
Are they close?
Not really.
Is that okay?
Yes.
Not as good as getting an espresso in a place that serves specialty coffee, but much better than the average espresso served most places.
True true. I get the good stuff when I can from the professionals. Otherwise I leave it to the automatic machine haha
PV=nRT
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@@CoffeeTimeJR It's the "general gas law." The product of pressure and volume is proportional to temperature.
Weird but I don't really like the taste of Nespresso original pods. I much prefer the Starbucks pods. I have tried so many pods and I like the Starbucks the most.
The answer to "Does it really matter what they think?" is always Not Really. Across all subjects.
Haha yea, that's a great answer because it doesn't say "No" it's just like "meehh not really. most of the time no." Of course it's fun to have standards and generally they are good for either preservation of quality OR culture/tradition, but all in all we are just here to enjoy the hell out of this liquid bean juice. And enjoyment comes in many shapes and sizes
Hey thanks for a very objective review, saw it on reddit and enjoyed it.
What should be noted however is that Nespresso Coffee is really the least sustainable option. A capsule produces a lot of unnecessary garbage since aluminum is very resource intensive, and nestle itself is a terrible company in terms of social standards and environmental awareness. This is what 'pretentious coffee snobs' with third wave specialty coffee on the other side is fundamentally different and better about: Transparency. Where and how it is produced. How is it for the producers and the nature?
Great points to bring up! They do seem to be giving out these green bags recently that you can place your capsules in to which get the aluminum and coffee separated for compost/repurposing, but I'm not sure how that works or if it's indeed being followed through. It also is probably not as sustainable as just brewing your own fresh coffee anyway!
Glad you enjoyed the video though! Thank you so much for watching.
To me, Nespresso tastes to bitter filtered coffee with foam. It is like a weak low quality expresso. No acidity bitterness equlibrium, just bitterness more or less diluted. Before Nespresso, in my country, that was called rain umbrella juice.
To be fair, there are many different pods. Some have quite a lot of balanced acidity and sweetness. But I do agree they tend to roast everything darker than my preference!
Nespresso makes the best espresso👌
Of course not.
It alway tastes like a lite coffee beverage, even the highest intensity.
No real crema and and doesn't even stain the cup like a fresh grind of coffee beans
Staining the cup is a new one for me lol!
@@CoffeeTimeJR
ha ha ! Notice all the oily coffee stain or residue in an espresso cup, from top to bottom.. never with capsules..
It's a detail but tells a lot about general freshness
How much do you get paid by nespresso?
I dont get paid by Nespresso
NOPE. But it is decent Moka, sorta...well, kinda watered down Moka and acceptable if you're desperate AF and can't wait for your E61 machine to heat up.
Call it a nespresso
First off, nespresso is not espresso! It looks so watery and the coffee in the capsules have gone stale since ages just sitting in the isles. Many claim that grinder and espresso machine is expensive, well how expensive are these pods? If you ask me pods are much more expensive in the long run
Buy long-lasting stainless-steel refillable capsules, (twice the number, as each contains only 75% of the contents of a Nespresso capsule), plus freshly-ground coffee to fill them. (Buy a good but low-priced hand grinder, if you want the longer-shelf-life advantage of whole coffee beans). Expensive up-front, but the coffee can be only half-price, so that expense soon covered. Benefits: Fresh coffee. Your own choice of coffee. No pods to dispose of. No environmental impact. Flexibility of coffee strength that you prefer.
@@John-nr6gg I’m sure the stainless steel pods you are referring to, are a bit hard to dial in, so it’s pretty inconvenient
@@paviaaPS3 I bought two types: the single body type, with sticker covers, and the 2-part type (body and plug-in top cap.) 1. Fill body with ground coffee. 2. Fit the sticker or top cap on. 3. Drop in machine and express. 4. Drink coffee. 5. Remove, open and empty capsules, take a moment to wash out under running water, then dry thoroughly. 6. Repeat for another cup. Nothing could be simpler or more convenient.
Only one extra point: They only have 75% of the internal volume of Nespresso capsules, so use two of them, using the Ristretto (small) button for a "single shot" of espresso, and use three of them that same way, for a "double shot". This way, you will get at least your desired strength, rather than a weak cup. My first double shot each day uses three of those SS capsules, and the result is always sensational.
I bought my ex a Virtuoso machine that is capable of making everything from regular cups of coffee down to shots of 'espresso'. Overall the machine falls short. The coffee that it makes, even with my own freshly ground coffee in their pods, is objectively inferior to drip, press, or pour-over coffee that I can make at home. The espresso shots lack complexity and texture and are generally over-the-top bitter. I get the convenience factor for non-coffee nerds but for true coffee enthusiasts, Nespresso is trash.
I must agree that most pods are too strong but, the word bitter, as you put it, is a better descriptive word. I found the Bianco Piccolo pods to be more tolerable and are the ones I use to make a quick cup of coffee. Otherwise, I use my espresso machine.
no it’s not
18 gr of coffe for a single espresso? bro... either your coffe is shit or you doing something wrong... i mean im from portugal we do have decent coffe here and i guess italians can say with a better accuracy but a normal espresso should have something like 7 gr of coffee... (some use more some less, but in that area) now 18-20? i mean even for a double it should be like 14-16 or something in that region... but americans and canadians know whats coffee :D #imlookingatyoustarbucks #niceblackwater
Hey thanks for the comment. Unfortunately you misquoted me, AND you sound pretty uneducated on modern espresso found anywhere in America, Canada, Australia, England.. Anywhere with what we would call a third wave coffee culture.
First of all, I never said 18g for a single espresso. That 18-20 gram range is for a double espresso. This is absolutely typical in most third wave shops, and espresso baskets produced by espresso machine manufacturers (and VST) are purposefully made for doses in these range (sometimes higher, up to 22g).
Also, Italy is not the epitome of coffee or espresso. Lots of great innovation and tradition there, but the modern espresso and study of coffee is truly thriving the most in places like Melbourne, Portland, and London, for example. So yes, we do know what coffee is.
@@CoffeeTimeJR italy is not the... whatever... i will ignore that... but you directly compared the stats or completelly different things... first you used double shot vs single shot on coffe amount... second you used advertised machine pressure... and thats maximum machine pressure, not the actual pressure the espresso is done... a comercial machine can also reach 15 bars with no problem... but normal use it does not reach that pressure... you cant compare apple to oranges... different fruits... and besides nespresso is a brand that tries to bring professional level espresso to a domestic use... of course it isnt the best espresso in the world... im pretty sure it is actually mpossible to have that level of espresso in a big form factor for so many users home arround the world...
i do own this capsule system from the delta brand, that is a portuguese brand of coffee, and the machine says it can go up to 19 bars and uses capsules with only 5.5 grms of coffee, wich i will assume... it is kinda low...
if you look at this stats this way you shouldnt even be aible to make coffee, this is why im calling your stats are wrong...
(btw im not trying to be mean im just telling you are doing the comparison wrong)
@@P4FElton I did compare completely different things, but the whole point of the video was that they both claim to be espresso. So the comparison was intentionally formed to find their differences by comparing variables. You can't really fault for me that.
Whether its single shot, double, 9 bar, or 15 bar, I take all of that and compare them as a whole to the concept "espresso". There is nothing else for me to do with this question. When I ask "Does Nespresso make REAL espresso?" That's the question I'm trying to answer. And again, to do that, you have to start somewhere, and you have to compare to what exists as the current standard
@@CoffeeTimeJR well either way unless you want to spend a lot of money into machines and time to learn in dept the espresso ways... We dont really have much better than Nespresso for home use do we?
@@P4FElton Yea for sure! I agree with you there. I'm actually not a fan of home espresso for those reasons; money, time, coffee waste, and the fact you can just treat it as something more special and let your local cafe do it for you! :P
Pretentious barista here:
Nespresso is not espresso nor does it taste anywhere near acceptable imo.
I also doubt that a Nespresso machine will extract at 15bars. The pump might be able to produce that much pressure (almost all cheap vibration pumps do) but I don’t think the brewing chamber of a Nespresso machine could hold that much pressure.
I don’t think that the coffee itself is used to build up pressure but there’s probable an over pressure valve to regulate it.
In other words, it produces coffee like machines with a pressurised filter and it also tastes like that.
It is consistent but constantly bad, in my humble pretentious barista opinion.
Gonna go ahead and say that Nespresso makes a pretty good cup. Now that that's out of the way....it's a product which requires use of their proprietary pods. Their being Nestle...one of the shittiest companies in existence. Nespresso has a good app and good customer service; but the pods are overpriced, majority will require shipping (only free if you spend a certain amount), and it has flaws. The flaws are in both machine build and the drink produced. Sorry, but pretentious baristas are correct in saying it's not as good as a true espresso machine. Its good, but a night and day difference from a consumer/commercial espresso. The Nespresso is good for single use rush out the door situations, but plan on waiting 10 minutes to make another pod for someone else while the machine cools down, otherwise it'll trash the machine really quick. The milk frother they package with these things also lacks in frothing ability. It makes a bunch of foam and warms the milk. Not real frothing if you want a latte or milk based drink. Again, not shitting on the machine here. It serves a purpose and is good for some things. But it's not built to last and do you really want to corner yourself into giving Nestle money every month?
Thank you for your thoughts! I definitely agree that there are some drawbacks to using Nespresso, and it certainly has a more specific audience to it (the quick and easy crowd). This topic may be something I take a look at in another video though. Thanks again for watching!
100% agree.
Love your comments, but you do have a Pre-bias against Nestle! Have you ever used a Nespresso? I wonder, as you say 10 minute wait for another pod -- Of course you are full of shit on that -- And not built to last? my original VL is still working fine since I purchased in 2014. The rest of your comments -- On target.
"Does Nespresso make REAL espresso?" No. Real; espresso requires a specific grijnd that is unique for each type of bean you are using, requires only 7-9 bars of pressure, which is way lower than what Nespresso uses, otherwise even with the perfect grind and tampering the espresso will be over-extracted and bitter. And above all, real espresso requires "mano", the real tampering done by a Human. This is important because how much pressure you apply while tampering the grinds depends on the bean and grind. You cannot "standardize" it like capsules do. Having said that, Nespresso still gives you a caffeine hit, so it's all good.
I've tried MANY nespresso pods and many other pods from other companies and none... NOT ONE tastes like espresso from a real machine. I much rather have my Keurig Starbucks 2x caffeine kcup than any nespresso or pod type espresso. These appliances shouldn't even be considered espresso or coffee. I'd MAYBE drink one if in prison if it was my only choice but nowhere else - and that includes a cup out of a Nespresso brand machine all the way up to an expensive Jura. It's all just gross 🤢 IMO. Anyone out there agree that these pods taste nothing like coffee or espresso?? Again, I'm not a coffee snob because I've had a cup of Folgers that tasted better than these pods.
Well done!