How to Bowl on Invisible Oil Patterns
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Brad and Kyle break down how to bowl and make the best adjustments on the invisble lane oil patterns.
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Back when I was competitively bowling , no lane graphs etc. there are so many variables. Style, equipment , makes a difference in ball reaction and carry. Many bowlers ( even really good high average bowlers) leave corner pins but and they mostly act shocked when it happens. Yes, I’ve left a 10 pin where everything felt perfect but I can honestly say that 8 times in 10 I knew when it left my hand whether or not a 10 pin was likely. There’s also many times, I’d play for the “ half pocket” or light hit bc it seemed to be carrying better than dead flush . Conversely, sometimes it seemed you had to stuff it in the pocket to carry. Lots of variables that you can only learn by thousands of games in many conditions.
Agree about trying to hit light pocket as my miss zone when some oil carry down has occurred to start leaving solid 10's. Another thing that I have had some sucess is to move my breakpoint 3-6 inches down lane in these cases by any/or of these things: move up on the approach, lofting, or changing my hand position to get a more forward roll than side roll. When I hit in the medium pocket zone and the 6 goes straight back into the 10, I know I am in the correct spot. I then I pull the ball 2 boards on the next shot :)
@@ChesterSpringsVideos Always with the pull. I'm right there with you buddy. 😂
I wish I had a pattern marked out 🤣🤣🤣 isn't the cheating
I'm an old dude and I feel ya.
Don't suppose you remember short oil or reverse blocks?
I bowled for a few decades before reactive resin came out and removed me from the game permanently.
I was playing the lanes with polyester back in the 70's-80's the way these young guys are playing them with new ball technology.
Stand left, chuck it towards the ditch on the right.
It took a lot more to play that trajectory with plastic on lanes with heads oiled to 40'
Too old to reinvent myself on the lanes.
Gotta love technology.
Damn I got old.
@@mksmith713 dig out your rubber balls! we know you have some.
Hey guys, I had another awesome night of bowling last night. Bowled a 191, 203, and 168 for a 562 series! My teammates were happy for me and I was confident with what I was doing. Just stayed relaxed and focused on my game. Still had a few open frames (but that's expected of anyone because everyone makes mistakes). I'm so happy with the progress I'm making, and I just want to say thank you Brad and Kyle for all your bowling tips. Brad, can't wait to see you in person again (maybe we could go on a date someday), and Kyle, looking forward to meeting you. See you guys in Portland, ME in July for the PBA league! Love you guys! ❤
shoot your shot girl lol
Kyle: I'm switching balls.
Brad: Hold my beer.
This was one of your best instructional videos that I've seen.
One of the best I meant.
Thanks! I appreciate these "thought process" videos.
I like the more in depth explanation for the new bowlers. Great video!
YES YES YES A NEW INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO. THANKS BRAD, KYLE and DENNIS for editing.
I work at a bowling center, and looking around on league nights, I think that the majority of bowlers (60-70%) either have a single ball that they throw, or a single strike ball and a single spare ball. Can you guys do a video about balls and ball selection? Like if you're only gonna have 1 ball, this is what these balls do. If you get a second strike ball, this is what can compliment the one you have. etc. Thanks!
Love your channel! Recently started bowling again after about a 15 year hiatus. Started following you guys and am getting back into the flow. Understanding where to move and why is one of me biggest struggles!
Love the video! I just started a 10-week Sport Short league, and I can't wait to apply some of these tips next week. I'll try and come back and say how I did.
good luck! I'm starting back in a league tonight and I'm gonna see how it goes. This video is exactly what i was talking with my coach about today. Ball is everything sometimes.
❤ 9:50 "Just got to Norm Duke it!" Way to go Brad.
these channels and tips are awesome. Had one of my best nights of bowling. 257, 245 and 235 (737series)...now if I can just get the pro shop to reduce their prices. I'll be stacking more balls in the bag for sure!
Another great video, really informative and helps out alot
Thank you two for the knowledge you are sharing. I’m an amateur just born a few months ago. I’m always practicing on the lane or in my head. I’m struggling of course on consistency but I’m loving it. Looking forward on my future progression thanks to you guys.
Same here! got my first ball a couple months ago and have been loving the process. Brad and Kyle's videos have been an amazing help
I think it'd be great to breakdown bowling lingo like "grabby". Definitely an important one to know for all bowlers. Grabby doesn't refer to the lane in this case, but to Kyle's hand. It means he physically squeezed or "put too much hand" onto the ball which made him miss his spot.
Thanks for slowing down and explaining the lingo a little bit. It was helpful to hear the specific foot and target moves - I often wonder how far to move as I try to figure things out.
Picked up bowling again after a 30 year layoff. Gonna bowl in two 15 week summer leagues.
Wednesday night league has 40 teams. My team consists of 2 of my daughters friends from work and myself. My daughter has never bowled in a league and with 2 young kids doesn’t really have time to practice. However, she’s a former D1 volleyball player and athletic as hell and competitive too so she’s trying to learn the proper fundamentals.
Her friends are two guys who just wing a 14 lb. house ball down the middle as hard as they can.
I used to average 195 but am only up to about 180 so far after two months practice.
After week 2 we are 14 - 0! We beat a team of 200+ avg bowlers last week because they were spotting us 285 pins. When my two house ball maniacs strung a hambone and a couple doubles together our opponents wanted to pull their hair out! Funny as hell.
My other league is a 2 member team with my wife who hasn’t bowled in 30 years either, so thanks to the Brad and Kyle channel 5 new bowlers have begun bowling!
Love the explanation throughout the thought process. I’ll be taking these tips with me to my next practice session
Exactly what I was hoping for. Lane play is a complete mystery for us amateurs.
Thank you guys, your helping me alot
I’m going from two handed bowling to 1 handed bowling… I’m definitely having trouble putting revs in the ball but I’m getting much better
This is a great video for started like me very informative
I learned one of the biggest lessons 2 months ago. Every body on both teams a total of 7 other people and everyone was trouble with the lanes. I was struggling as well, and in my mind since everyone else was having trouble with the lane, I was having trouble with the lane. In that 8th frame, I realized it was just me and not the lanes. Once I realized that it was me and I adjusted for my issue I bowled a 276, while everyone else still struggled.
The lesson here is that everyone else maybe struggling with the lanes, but you may not be.
Always fun to watch y’all’s instructional videos and learn more about how to attack lane conditions.
I find that when you "keep" getting more hook than you want, simply move your target "deeper" and instead of having your eyes look at same the 10 board, you move your eyes to perhaps 6 to 8 feet past the 10 board (deeper) and you will get less hook, etc. Obviously, you guys know all of that but deeper and shallower I find are good ways to manage the amount of hook. Enjoy your videos. Thanks.
This was very helpful, thanks guys.
I’m somewhat new to bowling so thank you for explaining some of the bowling terminology. I didn’t actually know what people meant when they said there was a lot of friction on the lanes 😭
I think a big thing to remember is something you guys very briefly touched on is hold on tough patterns. On house you play the bounce, on sport you play the hang. Always try to create miss room with your ball choice and where you play the lanes.
Great video, gentlemen! A year ago I only had 2 balls (1st & spare). Had that negative self-talk on "bad" days. I have filled out my arsenal to 6 balls and have used the advice in this video and from others to work out a plan to recognize when to change balls. You can throw a perfect shot, hit your target and miss, it might be the ball... get out of it and get a different look... just like Kyle did.
This video was really helpful thank you
Love this video! Especially the decision to do a ball change. I need to work on recognizing when to change.
Good bowlers. Great bowling. Strong finish and collected a check. Do great at the next tournament...both of you!
Kyle’s celebration and smile for the spare, killed me 😂😂😂
First ball was reading early no matter where. That points to switching to a ball with length right away.
Absolutely love these educational trial-and-error videos! It really helps learn the thought process and decision making on the lanes. That's easily the hardest part of bowling. Thanks! Do more of these!
When I bowl and I have no idea what the pattern is, I go through this process:
1. I grab my weakest ball (typically a urethane) and I bowl as far right as I can. This gives me an idea of the friction (hook) on the outside of the lane. This can also give me an idea of the length.
2. If the ball overhooks, I keep the same ball and just move left by maybe 2-3 boards. Nothing major unless it really overhooked.
3. If it’s still overhooking, I try one more move. If it overhooks again, I switch balls. Note: sometimes I switch balls just to see what my options are.
I always try to play as far right as I can so I have the option of moving left (which for me is difficult, since I’m a two hander)
Congrats on the draft selections guys.🎉🎉🎉
You guys are awesome! I guess you could have altered your release as well. Brad went pretty straight with his release.
Awesome//// would love some guidance on how to bowl as an older bowler with weaker knees
What do you keep putting on your thumb and why? Love your channel.
You guys are awesome. I really enjoy watching your videos. I don't even bowl and I enjoy the content.
Thanks for the perspective guys. Really appreciate all your insights on the game.
I have a couple questions. Is changing the hand position at set up not a thing anymore? Utilizing different hand positions use to be a staple for bowlers. Especially if you can only afford a 3 to 6 ball arsenal. Maybe using a less cupped wrist with the thumb at 12 instead of positioned at 1 or 2 (more forward roll, less side roll) would have allowed Kyle to stay with the first ball. I found myself yelling at the TV hoping Kyle would hear me. :-)
I watched Brad “Norm” it with more forward roll. It didn’t need to cover all the boards to strike.
Admittedly, I’m an older bowler, but is it better in todays game to always use your strongest release and just change the ball? Welcome any responses or thoughts. Thanks!
I want to be able to pick up spares using my non-dominant hand and a casual no-look roll, like Kyle. Do a segment just for that. :-D
Question, if I am a regular open player and I am. The pain of which lane they assigned us however, we know if we have no practice when you get into the first frame of play what you’re on and I agree, and all depends on where you go even every house/sport can be different and also how the lanes are.
Great video guys. Thanks for this info
Hi guys great 👍 video ty very much
How about a game of guess the pattern wherein neither of you know which pattern out of 3 or 5 was put on the lane and after a game or two or three you guys could guess the pattern and see what happens. Thanks for reading this, you guys have changed my game significantly!
Question for you guys. What is your best advice to us amateurs about what ball to pull out first when trying to figure out the pattern and lanes? I've seen a few takes. I've always believe to take out my favorite ball and try it first since it's one I know the best. I've seen others say pull out your strongest ball and go down from there.
Question for you guys: When doing parallel moves like 1 and 1, 4 and 4, ect are you also inherently changing your breakpoint or is the idea regardless of your moves that the breakpoint is staying the same. Thanks!
Hey Kyle and brad
Hello Brad & Kyle, what are included in the annualy coaching membership?
After you've made those multiple moves, when you make the ball change, do you start from where your last ball was thrown? First ball? Somewhere in the middle?
We need a lane etiquette video for the new bowlers!
Can you guys do a video that would show how different RGs and DIFFs react to different oil patterns? Or how "shorter pins" react differently than "taller pins".
Great video! Good ideas.
Question. Is opening up the angles with the first ball a viable option instead of a ball change? Or is this not considered because the ball might not look that great from a steeper angle?
Reason I am a fan of being warmed up prior to practice. getting older, it takes longer to warm up. Sooner you are feeling comfortable throwing a ball, quicker you can make decisions. I will have my benchmark ball, throw it, if I dont like the reaction, I move or switch balls very quickly. I see too many bowlers be too loyal to one ball. They get stuck in trying to manipulate the ball, get frustrated when they have two or three other balls with them. If it is league play, you got 10 to 15 min of practice and that is with other people. You may get 10 shots mattering size of teams. 3 to 4 shots is with the benchmark ball. You either stay with the ball if you like the look, play a couple different lines maybe to stay away from other bowler lines or maybe use their breakpoint, and maybe just get a look at another ball. I really like this video and the thought process, but for league play, you wont have that many chances to throw the ball and make a decision. When I use to coach, I always said know your gear, and dont be loyal to a ball. This is something that differentiates a pro bowler and a league bowler. They know their gear because if it takes them two frames to find it, the game is probably over.
Really do love the channel !
Congrations Kyle on being drafted by NY and to you Brad for being drafted by Motown. Best of luck.
Nice strike Brad :)
Can you guys do a video on how to attack the greater ozarks
I appreciate the explanation of the terminology. I know what they all mean now, but when I first started watching you guys, I would be like “I have no idea what they are saying”
I don't really know how to read those lane graphs with the oil pattern on it and have no idea what pattern you used in the video. But as he was throwing shots when the Zen Soul and it kept hooking a ton down lane it sure looked like it might be a shorter oil pattern and figure its one where you guys would probably start with Urethane more often than not to control that reaction.
Was dealing with this yesterday, bowled really good a couple days ago came back and the lanes were very unforgiving, but unfortunately I only have 1 reactive ball and a spare ball
How do you guys shoot on the same line I always miss and arrow or more on either side
Best video to date!
Interesting that the Zen Soul was that much more hook than a UFO Alert. I realize that the Alert was polished but being a pearl asym I was expecting it to wheel harder on the backend. So this tells me that the volume is not very heavy since the Zen even at 4000 struggled to make it passed the 35-40 foot mark.
Great educational video. I've been bowling semi-seriously for about two years now. I bowl once a week in a non sanctioned fun league. Anyway, I have a Tropical Surge as the first ball I bought, and was gifted a Phaze 2 this past Xmas. Been trying to make the Phaze 2 work this past league season but I think it's just too much ball on my house lanes. My Trop Surge is also cracked around the finger holes, so I would like to replace it. What would you recommend as a step up from the Trop Surge? I was thinking Hy-Road or Hy-Road Pearl, something that gets down the lane further than the Phaze, but doesn't break the bank. The Hustle line has also caught my eye.
I just bought a Trop Surge a couple of weeks ago for my first ball. If you got the time what can you tell me about this ball behavior since you have used it for a while. I know it's a good beginner ball (says my pro shop), but I'm trying to figure it out. I threw 16-17mph the first week and it didn't grab too much, last weekend I slowed down to 14-15mph and it was grabbing well and I started moving left more. I bowled a little better at a slower speed, but as we continued it got really hard to control.
I would also like to hear what a step up from a Trop Surge would look like if people have some good info. Thanks
Don't replace it just have it repainted. Get to know how to play with your Phaze II hands down the best benchmark ball on the market! Brad and Kyle throw the crap out of that ball. It's located right in the middle of their bag every tournament they go to.
@@jasonboness3871 It's a good ball! I'm a 2H righty with lower ball speed (around 14mph, may be the issue with my over hook with the Phaze) and the Trop Surge seems to hook nicely and is controllable the first game-game and a half on my lanes. Once I get more left though it seems to quit and go light a lot.
@@jayvallandingham2406 Yep, definitely gotta practice more with the Phaze in my house to find how to play it properly. Thanks for the advice!
@@dmurray1031 Remember that the farther you move left, the more you'll need to either add a little more side rotation on your ball or slow your ball down giving your ball more time to read the friction.
Is this the replacement Brad and Kyle Robots? Haha great video this is good for me still being a beginner.
So I am struggling with ball choice a lot. Last night on 2022 Viper for instance, I could get my stronger stuff down lane and it looked decent but it wasn't till I went with "weaker" stuff that I could carry. 563 with 3 opens (only 3 opens for me is amazing on PBA) but only a handful of strikes. I saw your recent video on ball progression but how can you tell ok vs much better? As I said, I was getting to the pocket but left a lot of 4 pins or 10s
You always easy slide on your thumb there in that bag or rosin?
Cool video talk to tech bowling Brad and Kyle invisible lane pattern
What alley is that? looks like one in St. Louis.
Hi Brad 🥰🥰
Now if you could make a video for mortals with a 250 rev rate with one dull ball and one shiny ball to our name. Sure we can average 230 on a house shot, but what do bowlers with no hand do on these patterns with heavier volume? We can’t move left.
What’s up guys! Very informative tutorials. I see Kyle dips his thumb in a bag of powder. What is it?
I have recently started having trouble sticking I the foul line. I have tried new shoes and nothing helped. I recently read something about timing and getting up on sliding toe can cause this problem. Any ideas?
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No matter where I always start way right then slowly move a single board at a time. Then time left I move to where I know I can shoot with room.
So my question would now be, do you drill all the balls the same and depend on the different cores and coverstocks, or do you change the layout and have multiples of the same ball? I'm guessing a bit of both which is making this expensive :p
Every ball should usually have a different layout
What alley are you guys at ?
Hey, I'm from India, been following you for a while, most of the lanes here are oiled by hand and barely any oil on them, any suggestions for people for India. I use a Brunswick twist
I knew it. It was never my fault always the ball 😁
Wish I had reaction like you at that house...my proton just slides down lane with never moving
Brad should have bowled for this video
Now that's what I mean by calling your shot Brad!
Brad, you say you haven't looked at a lane graph in 3 years.. but weren't you looking at lane graphs at this past USBC? Feel like I recall a point where almost everyone was looking at them.
You might be thinking of Kegel slope graphs for the lane topography charts. They tend to be more colorful.
so we have to buy more bowling balls haha great
I just look at how long the pattern for a starting point of an idea
Honestly do you think you'd be as good as you are bowling with out the pattern on then lanes ?
Put as much surface on your ball as possible and loft the gutter cap. Works every time lol
The bald headed Storm shirt man is HOT
It's bowling Tuesday on a 38 house shot the gem ball was hooking way to much gone to a Pearl, (today sub same shot same Lanes 256 257 244 gem ball ,like 30 pins over my average who said bowling not work
You guys have audio coming from two different sources on this video.
get em Lee's Summit...woohoo.
so it is really hard try learn just one pattern when next week can be flooded when other week might be dry and could be on same side of the house.
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Alright serious comment: I kinda disagree with what Brad says at 4:15. Now I'm nowhere near the level of either Brad or Kyle, but I've found that this all depends on the volume of the oil. If you're bowling on 47 feet of oil but only 12.5 mL of oil with like 10mL being reverse oil, you'll have no choice but to carve a line at the gutter unless you REALLY want to loft the gutter cap.
BUT if you're bowling on a 38' pattern with like 35mL of oil with 27mL being FORWARD oil, playing the gutter won't EVER be an option even if you put insane amounts of surface on your most aggressive ball. In fact, your most aggressive ball will be your WORST option in that scenario because it'll burn up the SECOND it hits friction.
B&K are awesome but I wish they were more scientific when it comes to analyzing oil patterns.
Considering that a ball.costs around $300-$400 not everyone amateur can afford several balls.
This is the EXACT problem I’ve been having every night for the past few times I’ve gone. My only solution was to ball down and start way on the left. I hate it because I want to use my brand new GEM. But I can’t because it hooks too much and I can’t possibly throw it faster.
To be clear, it wasn’t like this a few weeks ago. Before that it was great. It’s like the venue started using less oil or something. Now there’s like a 2 inch window you’ve gotta throw the ball in, to even get close to the pocket.
Why would I move left?
Moving into more oil to get the ball to roll further down the lane before reaching the friction. Bowling balls can't hook on the oil.
@@jayvallandingham2406 but I'm left handed
@@Perry2186 cool move left like Parker does:-) You're not a lefty if you're not playing the gutter any ways.
I like watching your channel but ... When you guys are throwing the ball down the alley you stand in the way of the shot and we can't see what the ball is doing down the alley