Final Thoughts on the Iskall85 Situation I wanted to address the ongoing discussion about the Iskall85 situation. There has been significant feedback from Hermitcraft viewers, many of whom believe that the public is not owed any detailed explanation regarding what happened. While that perspective is valid, it's also important to recognize the weight of the allegations being discussed. Hermitcraft has taken actions they deem appropriate based on complaints they have received. While the decision to handle this matter privately aligns with their beliefs on how the situation should be handled, it naturally leaves room for public speculation. Balancing privacy with transparency is always a complex challenge in these scenarios. Which is the message I was trying to say in my previous videos, we simply do not have enough information to jump to conclusions. In the Minecraft community, there have unfortunately been past instances of false allegations, as well as instances where creators have been held accountable for genuine misconduct. It’s crucial to approach such situations with care, avoiding assumptions about anyone’s motives or actions without substantial evidence. Regarding the document shared by the victim: It’s clear that the victim chose to come forward independently, hoping to encourage others to share their experiences if relevant. However within the document the details weren't substantial and the anonymous victims have only made the situation more polarizing. The messages presented in the document depict friendly exchanges between Iskall and the accuser. While these may appear benign, context and interpretation can vary significantly, especially in sensitive situations. The victim stated that they chose not to share certain evidence publicly to respect boundaries and allow Hermitcraft to handle the matter internally. This decision reflects a desire to avoid exposing private, potentially sensitive content unnecessarily. However, the document has only created mass confusion. The lack of publicly shared evidence does make it difficult for the broader community to assess the situation fully. However, it’s worth acknowledging that the Hermitcraft team has likely reviewed all relevant information before reaching their decision. Until we have further information, we can not jump to any conclusions on the matter. While some may feel frustrated by the absence of a public response from Iskall, it is ultimately his choice whether to address these allegations or not. In the meantime, it’s important for the community to remain respectful and avoid jumping to conclusions. This situation highlights the need for substantial evidence, when reporting on allegations and for commentary youtubers (myself included) to report the information as allegations and what has been said, not fact. The confusion in this situation has also led to people trying to spread misinformation and reporting fabricated evidence as fact, this is not ok. Overall, I apologise if the victim found my videos hurtful or had any biases that upset the community. I always push to make videos that are thoughtful, insightful and entertaining. It appears as though I have missed the mark here and should have made one unbias video then 2 bias videos documenting both sides. I will keep the videos up as a reminder to myself about this promise as well. Kind regards, Parallax
@@RichRBLX I don't think we should look too deep into it, to my knowledge Stress's main content partner was Iskall, without him around she can't really make the content she used to, and she is probably quite upset about finding out about Iskall. Of course she might have known, but we shouldn't assume.
Guy's the point of releasing some of the documented stuff isn't to prove to the public he's guilty, or turn fans against him, it's an explanation for why he's being kicked out of Hermitcraft. The members involved aren't taking legal action, or trying to cancel him and his channel. They handled it internally, and the people involved chose to elaborate to the extent they felt comfortable with. We the public are not owed personal information about a sensitive issue. I get that people want to defend him, but this isn't about us or what we think about him. It's about the fact that other Hermits did not like his actions, and his moderating team did not feel comfortable around him.
I do hope he comes back to make videos especially with everything happening in my life. People are quick to say cancel. All I want is to see one of the few creators make videos so that I can get out of the dark place I'm in as of late. People only focus on the one side of this yet their is a whole following of people that use a creators content to help escape mental health problems. I myself being one... it kinda sucks.
@@HairToThePie I'm sorry to hear that you've been feeling unwell. I do have some advice for you: if you'd like to improve your mental health, you could start by taking a walk every morning. There's a lot more to say, but I promise doing that will do more for you than any youtuber ever could. Best of luck!
THANK YOU! Tryed to say just that, my words failed me. I think the Hermits handled it in the most respectfull, adult way I have seen in a long time: Stuff happend, we looked into it, we wanted to talk, he resigned. Adding clarification to stop the worst rumors (What I would call fair, short and precise) and that's it. But even the post by Mumbo was only made nessesary because of speculation by non-involved partys.
What people need to understand is that hermits did not outright remove Iskall, they just confronted him and iskall chose to resign. Which means iskall himself considered that fighting the allegations was not worth keeping his position at hermitcraft. And the hermits went as far as removing all the links and collaborations with Iskall, which means its could not be something as simple as an adult guy flirting. Best case take it as a guy misusing his position. Imagine a CxO of some big corporation trying to have creepy conversations with other low level employees. Its easy for him to indulge in harassing behaviour and get away with it. And one thing I know is that Hermitcraft takes their reputation very seriously. They cannot let it slide even if there was nothing illegal going on.
And have you considered that Hermitcraft is a brand catered to kids and they just wanted to not expose them to drama of this kind. I think iskall left out of respect for his friends not that they forced him or it wasnt worth it. Them removing him from everywhere is just there so they can avoid the topic on camera as much as possible. They were his close friends after all and he isnt just some evil person. Its not just black and white. Yea maybe he did something horrible but we dont have the whole story so nothing can be said. Thats your best case. Someone might say the best case is this is all fake and they did it to just keep it on the down low for most of the fans and he comes back later with some excuse for the fans. Unless theres more added to the whole picture and more importantly Iskalls side of it, theres no way to say anything for sure. So dont go around being ready to say he did this or that. Im playing the devils advocate here but dont get me wrong Im not defending anyone either. I have just seen many people being cancelled unjustfully and some even banned off platforms like twitch and shunned to this day just because there were tons of fake allegations and even some other big streamers that had a grudge against them joining the bandwagon. It is ALWAYS innocent until PROVEN guilty.
@@NotParallax And quite a few people have come out and say that the things that got published were not the whole story. Because we're speaking of sexual behaviours, there's more that happened and you don't need to be shown everything. Guilty is a court of law decision. The public does not need to uphold to judiciary decisions to decide that one person behaviours are not something they want to see in the community. If someone is shown to be a creep, do you really need to see them in the act before you need to distance yourself from them. The Hermits are not a company, the fans are not a court. They have no obligations to "innocence until guilty philosophy".
It's only creepy because Iskall wasn't taking the hint that they weren't interested. Actually, according to the information that I read it was only one person that wasn't interested. The rest were angry that Iskall was flirting with other women and lied about being in a relationship. Also, Iskall was basically forced to resign so the Hermits could avoid legal scrutiny. And you are making a lot of assumptions based on what the Hemits did. As a basic principal you shouldn't blindly believe anything like you are right now.
@@Catswaga IMO kids would've benefitted from seeing what sexually harassing behaviour looks like. I don't really understand why anybody thinks that protecting kids from things helps them in any way.
5:00 i kinda disagree. the public doesnt need to know. only the parties responsible for handling the situation do. sexual harassment isnt something that needs to be treated like front page tabloid news.
That’s your opinion and I can respect that In my opinion if you’re going to accuse someone of sexual harassment and you want full support of the public you should show the full evidence
That's the entire point; if this situation wasn't serious enough to have everything laid-out for the public, then it _shouldn't have been made-public at all._ If it actually _is_ as serious as the "victims" are claiming it to be, then it all needs to come out. Because frankly, the way that it stands...it sounds Overblown. Iskall's reputation is _ruined,_ and people are profiting off of calling him a creep, a predator, and an abuser. Meanwhile, the only evidence we have is _bad flirting._ And the fact that the "victim" doesn't want to show evidence of it, sounds like an excuse to skirt the evidence. The longer this goes on, the more it sounds like the "victims" were power-tripping over the ability to get someone cancelled or to strike a blow against the previously impervious Hermitcraft Brand. You can't cry "sexual harassment" and claim victimhood one minute, and then tell the public that they "don't deserve an explanation" the next. It's the literal definition of crying wolf.
@@GanonGhidorah So... you prefer that they know everything he did and they just don't do anything? Like keep playing with someone they don't feel like brings good stuff to the community, endorse the brand of someone that has cause arm to their fans, because it's not a case decided by a judge?
I am mostly wanting to say this because I feel some fans may need to see it, not to try and start problems. Having been in a position in the to make decisions on handling allegations about a member of a community like the Hermits have been put in. There is a high likelihood that they cannot say much publicly for whatever reason. Sometimes its for legal reason sometimes it for something else. You have to put faith that they are doing what they should be doing. Yes the currently published document might not seem like a lot to go on, but as people who don't have all of the information. We have to have faith that that the members of hermitcraft aren't taking this seriously for no reason. On the otherside, Due to whatever process is happening Iskall himself may not be able to say anything. Which sucks because people will respond with "silence is damning" when that may not even be the case. Assuming the best scenario and that this was something blown out of proportion. He may still need to stay silent as to not make it worse for himself. We don't know. There is a lot of information that WE as the audience are not privy to. Let the people handling to their jobs. Mumbo & Grian were pretty good friends with Iskall, I highly doubt they would be so dramatic as to erase him from thumbnails or merch UNLESS there was something they felt he did was heavily against their core values. Again, maybe it will turn out I am wrong about that, but until we find out what happens this is what I have to go off of.
I feel the same way. There’s clearly more to it than this. Possibly concerning the distribution of photos non-consensually, which is not okay. They wouldn’t have reacted this way otherwise
The hermits are doing exactly what they should and told us just enough what was needed. I just don't understand why Kasszi and the other victims published those documents at all if it doesn't fully show the seriousness of the situation. Then they get defensive when outsiders understandably question things. Imo it just makes the whole thing more confusing and messy than it needs to be
@@nightowl3891 The truth can always stand up to investigation. Don't trust anyone who tells you not to question it, or that you just need to trust him/her.
It's hard to say, I watch all 3 Hermits you mentioned, Mumbo, Grian and Iskall but the channels we see are also their business and livelihood. Not just Mumbo or Grian the people. If it hurts their brand, I can see them removing Iskall while remaining friends behind the scenes. It's all purely speculation but it may not be worth it to them to risk their livelihood to protect their friends. Who knows what their viewership breakdown looks like (kids vs adults) but you also have to consider brand deals they may have. But, at the end of the day, that's all purely speculation unless they speak on it directly. I actually agree with you though that it's likely worse than what we know so far but again that's purely my own speculation and opinion.
@HumanoidDerpling When he left one of his largest group of friends at the mere mention of the allegations and the hermits didn't push back, that was all the proof you needed. Any pushing of victims beyond that is mere drama pandering, but sadly for you, these are mature(mostly) adults, not some drama fueled streaming house of exploitable twats like OTK or FaZe.
But ... the drama and the show! If we don't get to see aaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllll the dirty laundry, get all the creepy details, how are we supposed to keep entert ... I mean pass fair judgement? Only if we get to see the depth of depravity, will we be able to feel supirior to the vi ... able to judge these women for being nai ... justify our sexist world-view, that women should stay indoors with a stove and a bro ... I mean only then we will be able to know, understand and feel empathy. A simpel "Things happened that made me feel deeply uncompftable" can never be enough, could it?
I was just reporting on allegations and correcting what I said in my previous video You can’t just publicly ruin someones reputation and not have receipts to back it up
i mean this politely but this video is a huge L take iskall was not kicked out, he chose to resign after being confronted about allegations if the allegations were falsehoods, he could just say so, and the hermits would believe him because they were his friends this means that there is irrefutable evidence, and its not our place to demand it from victims of iskalls abuse
Ok so I said in the video he resigned once confronted I was not demanding evidence I was requesting to speak with them to understand the situation in more detail. If you want 100% support from the community you should give 100% of the evidence
@@NotParallax that is the definition of demanding evidence, you are implying that the claims should not be believed without more evidence being released, despite the fact that iskall completely refused to give any statement. technically silence is not an admission of guilt, but if the allegations were untrue he could easily refute them and win this is not a guilty-until-proven-innocent situation, iskall has been proven guilty
@@gabbieblue yeah exactly they shouldn’t be fully believed I was reporting on feedback from my previous video. I wanted to get a better understanding of what happened so I went to the source. Didn’t get a response which is fine I’m not like black mailing them or anything for a response, simply just requested one I do that a lot when filming documentaries to both sides of the party, if I believe I can get in contact with them. I want to do unbiased commentaries and I believe that if you’re gonna request 100% support from people show 100% of the evidence
@@NotParallax my issue is not with you asking for more information, that is entirely fair my issue is the implication that the victims of the situation are fabricating the little evidence that they have released in order to defame iskall your commentary feels like it sides with iskall, despite him not even presenting a statement. which does not feel unbiased
@ I understand that it sides with him However I also made a video last week going over what the victim said and siding with them and it was a bit of a lose lose situation. Iskall fans will support iskall and people that don’t like iskall will support the victim. I was simply just tryna report on the allegations and document what was happening. As a creator I want to always hear both sides of the coin so I’m willing to reach out to both sides to get a better understanding of the matter but obviously I understand if they don’t want to, I don’t see anything wrong with requesting an interview for more info (that’s how everyone gets interviews) I apologise if it feels unbiased but I made this video to correct the biases in my last one
This is the equivalent to being sexually harassed at work and it being dealt with internally. She voulenteered as a moderater and had her boss start sending her a ton of inappropriate messages which she didnt sign up for. Just because shes an adult doesnt make it right of acceptable to speak to someone this way. This wasnt the only victim, just the only one brave enough to come forward and give context for the fans and look at all the kickback shes had for it! People wonder why women never come forward and stay anonymous and this is why! Its appalling how this has been handled. Lets stop defendong perpetrators and start supporting victims.
We should 100% support victims However these are just allegations at this stage as we haven't gotten further information. Until we have more information thats it. We need innocent until proven guilty in the minecraft community. As there are a lot of creators who have had reputations ruined due to just blindly believing the victim. Sure hermitcraft has the whole picture, but it is confusing to a lot of hermitcraft fans, as currently the only evidence we have is of them flirting with each other My goal wasn't to defend iskall in anyway, I have made a video going over the victims side and Iskalls side Thank you for your comment :)
I don’t know for sure, and this might be victim blamey, but i think it was a miscommunication. if she maybe expressed how she felt, maybe he would stop (maybe she did and he didn’t stop, if so then 1000% he’s in the wrong) if there’s not way to tell that it was wrong, I get why the situation existed. tell me if I’m wrong, I don’t know.
I completely agree. The way this is being handled by fans is appalling. People are calling for the victims to air their trauma to the world so they can 'judge' Iskall. Absolutely appalling how everyone involved is being treated. There's been some insane assumptions and name calling. He obviously made a mistake. How grave doesn't really matter as the situation has been handled. It's just awful how much of a bad example this is setting for the young folk (women, men and non-binary) in the community. People should feel safe coming forward if something makes them feel uncomfortable. If people feel like it has to be the worst case, or that they have to disclose everything publicly, then people won't come forward.
Given that Stress and Iskall have been good friends for a long time and had literally based next door to each other this season it would be very difficult for Stress to continue. She's turned off comments to all of her videos and I don't blame her. It just makes me sad that two talented content creators have had their careers and income destroyed by this. I hope Stress is okay. As for the allegations and the morbidly curious who want all the nitty gritty details it is literally none of our business. This situation is not for our entertainment. Leave those people who actually know everything that is going on to handle it.
This is so stupid. She gave evidence to the hermits and they wouldn't kick him without proper proof. Clearly the woman is uncumfortable sharing this and we should believe the other hermits including the literal owner of the server, mumbo, Grian, and all the others. This is not a difficult matter
I'm not defending him just want to be clear people understand. He resigned himself, Hermitcraft did not kick him out, there is a chance he could have stayed. I would believe they would advise him to resign though like the Yogscast have done with troublesome members, as it only tarnishes their business. Yes she is uncomfortable about the situation as it is an uncomfortable thing to experience, a person you have no interest making strong advances possibly sending nude photos but in the end both parties were adults and the Victim can distance themself and communicate they are not interested as i feel they didn't as Iskall kept coming back as if he never got told to back off Without proper evidence of the more severe actions it's hard to completely cut support as them just saying this is 1/10th of the information is not evidence enough of what he has done, obviously with the current evidence we can feel for the victim of what they have been through and will not downplay what they have experienced, this is not the victims fault. There is a huge possibibilty that Iskall realising that his adult actions had come out to the public realised he could not continue his career as Minecraft Content on HermitCraft as both subjects are heavily in favour of Under Age audience and saw his career being destroyed so decided to just end it himself.
@@TheKingreiko …. This! All of this. Hermitcraft is the definition of pg. Some swearing on some streams. Some double entendres here and there. But! Wholesome stuff. Content creators like the hermits have to more careful than other adults. Because of the audience and their wholesome image. Which is important…. Also Iskall has a lot to deal with in his personal because of this. Which may also have influenced his decision not to fight for his place on the server. Some would say that Iskall is being treated unfair. And there could be a point to this. But Hermitcraft is a different thing than many other online things. Iskall being outed as horny adult, and online “cheating” on his partner Kinda ruins that. It would not ruin other content creators.
Damn they really kept this drama under the radar, i'm just finding out about it now and i watch a lot of hermits. I just went to the hermitcraft website and they've removed iskall and stress from all the creators in the title. Even in Grian's latest video (the world tour) which was filmed starting in October, both are missing from lamp board as he goes through everyone's bases. I wonder if they'll remove his builds before the world download is made available at the end of the season. I never noticed because iskall and stress are a few of the hermits i never watch. I mean I'm not that surprised, there are 25+ hermits and the group has been going for over a decade, some drama was bound to pop up, just the law of averages
Guys. He is a clickbait channel. He only made another video bc the last one got so many views. He’s not refuting himself bc he “got stuff wrong”. He’s dumbing down the evidence and invalidating it to make a hot take. It doesn’t matter if they were paid employees or unpaid. They were still employees. And those of you who care about the victims, their well-beings, and their community, the entire VH dev team wouldn’t shun him. What he did is clearly awful, and everyone who has seen the full evidence has backed this up. I’ve seen the fallout in the VH discord community. This isn’t cancel culture. This is a manipulative asshole sexually harassing people he has a position of power over. And btw. Iskall was one of my favorite hermits. I don’t have any bias against him. In fact, I still find myself having a little mental bias FOR him. Moral over the story: Don’t talk about shit you don’t know shit about.
@@mewexum7554 the problem is the public don’t have enough information to jump to any conclusions yet The evidence we have in the document was 2 adults flirting with each other I went over this all in the previous video
When it comes to sexual harassment allegations, you have to understand that, no matter how much evidence that exists in favour of the victim, if it involves a famous person, there will always be people defending the accused. Also, it's clear that they were not "consenting" adults. If somebody changes the topic when you're making sexual or flirty comments, that IS a clear sign of no consent. Additionally, you have to take into account the power dynamic. Just because you aren't being paid a wage, doesn't mean that what they had wasn't a working relationship. Volunteer work is still work. They were also fans of his, introducing yet another parasocial power imbalance. It's not illegal per se, but just because something is legal doesn't automatically make it morally right. If this WERE a traditional workspace, he would almost certainly be fired for this. Comparatively, leaving a Minecraft server and getting to keep this incident off of his real life resume and records for a full-time job is a mere slap on the wrist. The way the Hermits have handled it is very fair, and I have not seen anyone legitimately calling for him to be "cancelled" or instigating a public witchhunt. While it's fair to ask for more information, we the public aren't owed it. Even court cases aren't all made public. The Hermits have the information they need, and it IS being handled privately. The victims putting forward their personal statements is at their discretion, and it's not up to us to cast judgment. Taking their right to remain silent and implying that it is intentional fabrication of facts ("blowing things out of proportion") to make iskall look bad is a very loaded claim that requires evidence from YOU to back up. Are you really ready to make such a challenge? You posted this video publicly, so you should have the evidence to back that up, right? I'm sure you don't actually want to do that, so please be careful about what you're saying. I've seen some of responses you made to criticisms of your video, and again while it is respectable to not jump to conclusions without evidence, some situations are just out of your control. The Hermits want us to respect and trust their decision, and making videos like this is stirring the pot and inviting discord to a situation that the Hermits have unanimously agreed on already.
i mean i said this all in my last video as well and got hate for it as viewers didnt believe that she was a victim. At the end of the day we won't really know what happened until we have the full picture. So theres no real conclusion which is creating confusion and divide in the community. If you look at my community post poll and comments on the previous video a lot of people believe that iskall did noting wrong, and I was simply reporting on what was said in my last video. Appreciate the time you took to comment this but I still believe that majority of what i said in this video and the last one are accurate to an extent. From what we have seen currently iskall didn't really do anything wrong
Like I said, there will Always Be people who defend people who sexually harass others. Of course you received comments from people who defended iskall or tried to convince you it’s all being exaggerated and “he did nothing wrong”. This isn’t just isolated to this particular case. There exist a lot of further reading on sexual harassment cases and numerous amounts of research that reveal what it’s actually like for victims, and you’ll find that this is a very common problem. No matter how much evidence exists, some people just refuse to believe sexual harassment is real. For whatever reason, these people need it to follow some movie scripted template of what sexual harassment looks like (stalker creep man violently coming onto a young, innocent woman), when in reality sexual harassment often occurs in a very complicated, messy way. Did you know you are more likely to be harassed or assaulted by people you already know? That is a fact that already breaks the typical image of what “real” sa looks like. Yet it aligns pretty well with this situation; a fan and a follower, or a boss and staff in a digital workspace. So, think about those people’s responses to your original video and consider how their responses might be part of a larger pattern. How has your response to appeal to these people impacted the overall situation? I’m sure you don’t want to make life more difficult for real victims to safely express their experiences without facing ridicule and doubt. Do you think people promoting doubt in the Hermit’s decision and the potential victims might contribute to that kind of negative atmosphere? Yes, we don’t have the full picture. But we DO have some statements (testimonies, if you will), AND the unanimous response from the Hermits. It’s hard to say exactly what happened, but it’s clear that the Hermits think this is wrong. The statements we DO have clearly outline the possibility of harassment. We don’t know how extreme it went, but we can make a conservative guess based on the evidence. And the conclusion that best aligns with the evidence isn’t to just doubt all the information coming in. That’s just as bad as accepting everything uncritically. I appreciate you taking time to respond to these comments. I want to point out how this situation connects to SA cases at large, and how common it is for victims to receive negative backlash.
It’s very hard to even be able to speak out about being sexually harassed in the first place. Having everyone’s eyes on you, people doubting you and saying maybe you “made it up.” Speaking up is a hard thing on itself so let’s not blame the girl who had the courage to actually speak up. From what I heard, there are multiple victims, and only she spoke up about it. Sexual harassment can happen with adults too. Not just because she’s not a minor her allegations should be dismissed. It’s a very serious thing
@@acidicrain3104 yeah I know but if you’re gonna publicly accuse someone of sexual harassment you need to substantiate that claim w evidence Take a look at the imallexx situation as an example She showed proof of everything, photo evidence of chat logs, video footage calls etc. all we have for iskall is 2 adults flirting
@@NotParallaxwhat gives us the right to know everything. Iskal has every right to share his side. Instead he chose to voluntarily resign from Hermitcraft and his friends who have seen much more are choosing not to publicly associate with him any more. I am not trying to paint him as a monster but I don’t understand the rationale behind people like you feeling entitled to know everything. If this were a more serious case decided in a court of law would you react the same way. Saying that you need to know all evidence shared in the court room before making a decision if the judge and jury got it right. Yet when these things were shared with an appropriate set of people (the Hermits) and it was shared with Iskal, resulting in this outcome you demand to know more. This is a bad take for sure!
@@EatingMachine23 Because the person that came public about the situation came forward saying they were sexually harassed but didn't provide substantial proof of it. If the matter was handled privately we didn't even need this document. Instead all it did was blow things out of proportion and create mass confusion. A lot of the evidence we have is adults flirting with each other. Yes cheating on your partner is bad (if they were dating at the time) but if you're going to come forward with an accusation, show substantial evidence. Im interested in seeing Iskalls response to this whole ordeal. We can't live in a world where someone makes an accusation, they come forward for support but don't provide any further context or refuse to...
@ you mean they did not provide substantial proof TO YOU. So the hermits saying that they have seen credible evidence is not enough tor you. You need all the juicy details too. As far as I understand it this person originally kept it all private and dealt with it internally with mutual friends and the hermits and has only since shared some of there perspective since it became public knowledge of him leaving Hermitcraft. You are defending someone who is not choosing to defend themselves. I am not trying to paint Iskall as a monster but if all there was was a bit of harmless flirting then it would be the easiest thing in the world to debunk. The notion that every detail needs to be exposed as she is lying until YOU see proof is not a great take. I agree that people should be careful about making unfounded accusations but further proof HAS been provided, just not to everyone. Would you be equally upset if this was a different more serious case and because the police did not share every detail with the public that the claimant is automatically lying. Someone better placed to review things (the hermits and the staff of his discord server) have reviewed them and chosen to support her accusations and cut ties with him. He has every opportunity to tell his side of the story, no one is silencing him.
@ we don’t know what happened, that’s the thing There was no need at all for this document to be made. I believe I have played both sides of the situation here and made videos going over both perspectives. If the matter was handled privately that should be how it is, most cases are handled that way. I’m sure Iskall is working on something right now or he’s just got issues mentally and is working on himself which is why he hasn’t responded. I will be honest I am not a super fan of the hermitcraft community or the creators (i used to watch mumbo when I was like 14-15) however I have seen plenty of times where allegations like this spread and turn out to be false. I’m not thinking you’re saying Iskall is a monster etc. but in my last video I said the exact same thing and I agreed with a lot of comments in the video correcting it. The document shown comes off as attention seeky and we can’t really provide full support to them as they aren’t showing the full picture. This is what I was trying to say and believe I did however for some reason people are just immediately jumping to the gun that I’m blaming the victim. I’m not I’ll support victims if they actually show what happened (they don’t need to show every single message either, just proof of what the allegation was, rn it’s just 2 adults flirting creating mass confusion) There’s still missing pieces to this situation too. We don’t know what exactly happened and it’s kinda weird seeing a group distance themselves from one of their long timefriends. Theres something more serious going on But we don’t know that as no one’s coming forward with information and when iskall makes a response or Kass substantiates the claim I will definitely follow up anything with new information
I actually fully disagree that we need more evidence. If the person being harassed doesn’t want to share sensitive documents with the public, why the hell is she being pressured to do so? If the hermits already saw and decided that it was bad enough then I’m willing to trust them on that. I know it seems like stuff is being left out which there probably is, but the only reason people are pushing is because they’re just curious. I don’t think anybody actually cares that much, but if the victim doesn’t want to share private information, then leave her alone. If you’re having doubts about the current public information, then the hermits would have had them as well. If you were in her shoes would you want all your private things to be released if it looks like the issue has already been dealt with?
I agree with you that we don't need more evidence, because this never should have gone public. This is business between hermitcraft, Iskall and the 'victim,' not the Internet who does not have context. That being said, the reason it went public is due to the girl. I feel like this is a clear case of simply seeking attention.
I think It was stupid for Kasszi to post about in the first place. If it was a private allegation that the public didn't need to know about then why post anything at all? Clearly they wanted the public to know some things about it, but only kind of releasing details and then making excuses for why more can't be shown just makes it look like stretching the truth. Not saying iskall is innocent but its not a good idea to backtrack on a public allegation.
yall need to get over yourselves. this clearly helped other victims speak out and get support. stop sympathizing with scummy people who hurt others. he’s a grown ass man he knows what’s appropriate behavior and what isn’t.
I actually think that the steps taken have been entirely approppriate and proportional! Iskall85's behaviour was a bad choice. Call it a mistake, an error in judgement, whatever. It was the wrong thing to do and as such that should have consequences. The consequences in action are appropriate to those wrong doings. Iskall utilised his public persona and reach to create personal situations which then became uncomfortable. A fair consequence is he should step back and limit that public reach. If he is doing harm (making people uncomofrtable in a persistent pattern) his access and ability to do so should be limited. Hermitcraft is a corner of the internet that everyone involved has gone to great lengths to keep free from hard or heavy topics, sticking to optimistic and feel-good content. It is not their responsibility to tackle ALL issues of the world, and the goal they've stuck to is to simply create a space that no matter the world context people can come to and feel joy. No more no less. Misconduct and complaints of behaviour threaten that space. Therefore Iskall shouldn't have acess or ability to do harm to that space. No one should be saying he should never return to content creation or that he should be 'cancelled' and slandered through the mud. He has behaved inappropriately. The response to that has directly correlated to how he has mis-stepped. Responses don't need to be and shouldn't be ALL or NOTHING: "He didn't do anything criminal therefore he has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be punished" or , "He did something that caused distress therefore he is evil". He acted poorly. His ability to do so again has been hindered. Enough said. We definitely shouldn't be speculating that it is more or it is less until publicly told so, for many many reasons. Litigation can mean facts legally cannot be shared. A person who has been victimised OWES the public NOTHING. Iskall has shown a pattern to act inappropriately and now people have been forewarned for they're own sakes and well being. That's all we as the public are owed frankly. I think the bottom line to how this reflects on Iskall should be that he has mishandled the effects his status and platform has when he behaves in, at best unwise - at worse harrassing and upsetting, ways. He is not a monster or evil. He's a guy. That did something wrong, and the scale he has means more observable corrections.
Sure, victim doesnt owe public anything, but if you make accusations, you need to have evidence... Also, what exactly did he do? Trying to flirt with a woman who gave him skype after he told her to go privately on skype? U troglodyte
3:49 This makes me quite angry, perhaps Kasszi didn't outright tell him to stop the advances, but the changing of subjects should have been clear enough, also theres a difference between flirting and sexual harrasment. He was being overtly sexual for someone who was apparently 'flirting'. As someone who used to watch plenty of his videos, the fact that you believe this to be 'blown of proportion' is ridiculous. Kasszi has every right to not reply to you pressing for information and quite frankly did not have to post the evidence that they did. The fact that they did is brave, the fact they gave other possible victims a place to come forward and feel safe is incredible. You can have your opinions but also have some empathy. Just because the victims weren't minors doesn't mean they aren't victims.
Ok so I don’t understand Everyone in my last video said they weren’t victims and when I say that now they are??? I reported on allegations they were both consenting adults and they barely provided proof of sa if you’re mad about this video watch the first one
What he's trying to say is that the public doesn't have the whole story, and evidence is not being released for one of two reasons. 1: This whole thing is a lie and kass put Iskall in this position. We don't see many of the conversation starters, kass could have been pinning iskall in to frame him. 2: This whole thing is WAY worse than we've been led on to believe, and iskall and stress will disappear forever, and kass and everyone else will get their justice.
This. There clearly *was* communicated discomfort with his behaviour, if he sent "changing the subject i see" as a response to someone not engaging with sexual or flirty texts. He got the hint and chose to ignore it. ALSO, everyone is overlooking the fact that he engaged with people on SKYPE. Asking a person to use a third-party location is a huge red flag and aligns with the way online sexual harassment tends to play out.
If you don't explicitly tell someone to stop, then you don't have any leg to stand on when accusing someone of harassment. Are you just going to completely forget that some people are genuinely too socially awkward or autistic to take "hints" on when someone is uncomfortable?
The weirdest thing about this situation is that people are happy to cancel him from the information given. The hermits etc may know more so im not making a judgment on them. The public have nothing other than flirting to go off. They wernt a paid employee, at this point they were friends and adults. Looks like a zero effort to communicate he discomfort being caused. Until i see anything to ACTUALLY incriminate the guy im not cancelling him.
it blows my mind that people do that for free, for a smaller youtuber i could get it, but when they hit that gold button status you would think there could be some payment being made
4:57 No?? us the puplic have no right to demand any information about this, it should and will remain private, this doesnt concern us, it concerns strickly iskall, those involved and those who knew him, we do not know iskall
In my last video people said you shouldn’t cancel him over this information and now we shouldn’t know more? If you’re gonna ruin the reputation of a creator due to sexual harassment claims have them show the proof! Also, I said they were victims in my last video but the comments said they weren’t because they were both adults, now they are? There’s too many missing pieces to this situation and until we have more information iskalls innocent We need innocent until proven guilty
@@NotParallax Resigning is not a move of an innocent. The Hermits are really heavy on solving things through conversation. They conversed. I'm sure they conversed a lot about the situation.
@redstonaspt I literally said this in my last video as well We won’t know the full story until the full picture is provided until then it’s allegations and not fact
"us the puplic have no right to demand any information about this" - maybe if you hadnt had negative IQ you would ask for evidence of shit you see on the internet if you want to make conclusions for it...
Tbh,its a shame, 2024 has utterly whacked our most favourite and loved creators with the allegations of being nsfw. And now it knocked on a hermits door. Im not defending him, just annoyed it had to be iskall.
I do trust Hermitcraft as there are several people who are very thoughtful. Take Xisuma for example. If some drama happens, he will consider both sides and he always looks for counter arguments to get a fair assessment of the situation. They all work closely together, and I'm sure they would want to give their friends the benefit of the doubt and defend them when people try to start drama and when the community is overreacting. However, the fact that Imp and Skizz removed their podcast, Groan removed references to him in the titles of his videos, and Mumbo removed Sahara merch is quite a strong statement of them. And the fact that Iskall chose to resign is also very strange if the allegations are blown out of proportion. What Iskall did is definitely more than some unwanted flirting. I don't know the whole picture, so I will not attack Iskall for anything. But I also don't believe the hermits are overreacting
Oh yeah never said they were either, the hermits have the right to take whatever action they see fit to handle issues like this My main issue is with Kassi coming forward despite the hermits saying that the matters private. Its just created mass confusion After reviewing the documents in more detail, the only evidence we have is of 2 adults flirting with each other and not any form of sexual assault / harassment With the self alleged victim saying they won't come forward with more evidence gives off the vibe they're attention seeking and not actually a victim If Kass is a victim and wants full support from the community, the bare minimum is providing more substantial evidence
@@NotParallax I don't think we're owed any evidence. If she wants to keep some things private, that's her choice. If the hermits all wanted to kick out Iskall, that's also their choice. If Iskall is innocent, he can always come out and say so. But the idea that the public is owed evidence makes no sense.
being asked to change your opinion and told that your wrong for wanting the whole story to do that is just... Kasszi, bruh. Hermitcraft being silent is the sensical call, Kasszi airing laundry is messy.
Stress leaving isn't a surprise, she has followed Iskall like a lost puppy for a couple of years now, honestly I just assumed they were dating and trying to keep it low-key, since I don't bother with social media so didn't know what their personal situations were 🤷🏼♀️ I don't particularly like Iskall, I find him to be whiny and bitter over the fact that he lost a lot of subscribers when he became a part-time hermit after season 7 (to focus on vault hunters) but I'm never going to assume the worst of someone just because someone wrote up a public accusation and gives a weak reason not to disclose any facts. If you want it to be a public accusation, you need to be willing to make the case completely transparent, if you don't want that, then deal with it completely privately. I think there is certainly a lot of information that hasn't been made public, but I also hate the fact that the Internet immediately assumes the worst of men. I do trust the hermits to have made the correct decision for the group, and iskall's ego makes me believe he would be a flirt/cheat, but it's gross to just say he's guilty of everything just based on an allegation.
I don't think we should be the ones to judge without the full picture, and I think it is wise that this was all handled out of the public eye, this seems like it was done rationally.
Yeah we will never truly know tho it’s missing pieces which is what I was sayin in both my videos We won’t truly know until we have substantial evidence
I agree, but you need to admit that it's a little frustrating how she won't give us the full picture. She went out of her way to involve the public by posting about it on her own, but when asked for further details, she just shuts down. I hold the view that the Internet shouldn't have gotten involved at all.
It sems to me that this is all a bit stupid. Two adults online...not even IRL..., one flirting a bit too heavily. The other seemingly incapable of telling the other to, politely, eff off! Why drag Hermitcraft into it? Why make a big public scene about it? When did people lose the ability to effectively communicate *before* things get out of hand?... You know... someone makes an advance, you're not interested, so you tell the advancer in no uncertain terms that you're not interested... it's not rocket science! When I hear, "he was unsucessful. He left me alone for a few days and then tried again.", I'm asking myself, 'Why are you back for round 2... or round 3... whichever round it is??' Unless Iskall85 is a complete psycho, I'd wager that his side of the story, should it ever see the light of day, is a story of someone who is socially awkward, muddling his way through misread signals, and over reacting to ill-percieved stimuli. Had anyone just told him to pull his head in, he'd probably would have been immensely embarrassed and overly appologetic. But no! We have this, 'I'm telling Hermitcraft!' BS, and now it's all but over for Iskall85 as a creator for the time being.
@NevoBuildsStuff Every day in every city there's at least one woman telling a guy, "No!", or, giving a guy the cold shoulder, or not responding to a guy's advances in some way... who actually IS interested in said guy, but just wants him to pursue her a little harder. This female behaviour is as old as time. It doesn't mesh well with modern times when women can scream 'se*ual harassment' and immediately have an army of support behind her and ruin a guy's reputation in an instant. Maybe Iskall85 was out of line, maybe he was a bit creepy, but all that is completely subjective depending on the dynamics between the affected parties. If the story was, "I told him in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested," then fair play... I still wouldn't have gone running to Hermitcraft... rather I'd have just removed myself from his orbit. But that doesn't seem to be the story...she's continuing the platonic relationship knowing that he's got the hots for her, and all she's doing is 'changing the subject'...now apply the concept at the beginning of this post.
Like for real they're adults. They are managing this like they're children or something. It's not that deep. Just block the creep and move on like a normal person. Instead of being OOOO THIS MAN JUST SAID MY NAME I'M GONNA GO TO A CORNER AND CRY NOW 🥹😢😢😭😭😭😭 cringe.
Eh. Iskall knew a couple people who already went through similar public stunt, including Dream, he most likely chose that fallout won't be worthwile for hermits to deal with. Self exile, almost self matridome (cope, seethe, iskallman done nothing wrong and flirting is not a hatecrime) also aligns with his recent creative process. Not to add him staying from most of the Life and extended content events that started recently. Iirc he wasn't even a part of Empires crossover event was he
This seems like the norm now, guilty before proven innocent. Too many times, I see something like this, where something minor is blown up completely out of proportion. People don't know how to handle themselves these days and end up ruining someone else's image or life. If you're not interested, tell them so and get away from them. Keep the private stuff private and move on. There's no need to have this kind of thing become public. There's no financial gain and there's no winners, just losers.
Kasszi didn't respond to you on twitter, because as she said on the document, she would not respond to people wanting more information, if the case wasn't that bad, he would not exit hermitcraft. I don't think anything should go public anyway, we always want to know things, but we don't really need to
I've seen others talk about it and so far it really seems to be more than him being a bit horny, Because sexting mutiple folk that work for you can go in horrible ways and it's important to remember that Power Dynamics exist, the people he had been sexting could have possibly been afraid of being demoted or hurt due to the fact that he had more power But at this point it doesn't really matter - Hermicraft handled it Professionally, Iskall left HC on his own terms, And so far most of Iskalls fandom along with people outside of it don't really care this is like a MUCH Lower Tier Mr. Beast situation where in the end, no matter what, he's still going to be okay in some shape or form and still have a fanbase that supports him All we can do now is Separate Iskall from Hermitcraft snd those who wanna enjoy Iskalls content will more than likely continue doing so
Hermitcraft is a collective and not a legal entity as such. But they are also the most wholesome and PG collection of content creators out there. The conversations Iskall had with the women(note the plural) kinda ruin that. Even though regular adults would kinda shrug at it, and say “yeah, he is being an awkward creep, but not more than many…” there *is* something to Hermits having a different moral standard. My dms(both send and received) would have eliminated me from Hermitcraft if leaked. And everything in those is very consensual. Harsh? Unfair? Maybe. But understandable. There is something important in Hermitcraft being a place, that parents can let their kids watch.
@@MacroAggressor- could be as it said it the release. The hermits confronted Iskall. He could very be “this is a private matter from my personal life, I will not elaborate further.” The Hermits could have been “elaborate or leave…” and he could have been “fine! Then I’m leaving …”. In such situations tensions are high.
@@macbody That could very well be the case (although I personally think the "corporate PR response" explanation to be more likely). I just find it ridiculous that so many people reflexively assume that the Hermits are being fair by default and that if they booted him he _MUST_ have done something _really_ evil.
@@MacroAggressor - The Hermits have to be very careful in addressing it. There was enough to take the matter up with Iskall, and during that discussion Iskall left. Hermitcraft, as a whole, has a lot of reach, to kids. They don't do controversy. They don't do non-pg. So any issues with dick-pics and online creepiness(even though not Dr. Disrespect level) is going to hit harder on that particular server. Now - As for the "who said what when"? Who knows .... They are a very tight collective, spread out all over the world. With different cultural backgrounds. The "Iskall being creepy in dms to women" is hard to handle correctly.
nah it got other victims to speak up and gain support aswell as show all of us this behavior isn’t acceptable and should not be tolerated if you ever end up in that position. why do you feel the need to silence victims? just bc ur fav guy got slammed this time?
@@ticcitoasty I thought it was unwise to go public with it because she was unable to publish enough of it to be irrefutably convincing, which led to a great deal of speculation beneficial to no one. I have no desire to silence victims, nor is or was Iskall my "fav guy", but all the evidence against him was already in the hands of the Hermits and his career was already finished.
It’s easy to say something’s not black and white or that he “isn’t being ‘cancelled’” but that’s really just not how the internet works unfortunately. His whole career revolves around his reputation and public outreach, and by extension those who were working on vault hunters. It’s better to just leave things than to meet 1/10 of the way and bury the lead into thinking the worst. At the very least mumbo had the decency to defend him from accusations of literally the worst possible allegation that has been true of so many other creators. Victims privacy should be protected, but at the same time you can’t expect people to not be sad about the complete uprooting of a beloved creator, community member, and whole community around him that they’ve become so connected to over many years, not to mention the development work done by his team over the years, most notably in recent years being vault hunters and it’s respective community. Relationships and a game, even one within Minecraft, they’ve emotionally and many monetarily invested in over the years is bound to have an effect on people when they go to shit. What may have just been poorly conceived and misread relations between adults that for most would be summed up as a shameful lack of judgement or respect and maybe being viewed as a dick to those informed has become the death of a reputation, career, relationships, content, and a community, and it’s unreasonable to be surprised at those who don’t accept the worst case immediately or are curious for justification even if they aren’t entitled to it. Baiting them with “less than 1/10” of the evidence just isn’t a well conceived move to make, and isn’t overly fair to them or him even if it was well intentioned, though this criticism isn’t met with any serious consideration or compassion other than “f you, you’re not entitled to know.”
I would argue that it is very fair to him. If what has not been shared is much worse then they have spared him the public humiliation of that being revealed. If there really isn’t anything else it would be easy for him to refute it and explain as at worst a lapse in judgement.
Yea exactly. Either all out or all private. Obv the Hermits would want to protect their brand so either way it would have happened that he left but saying yea he is this and that and I have sent the whole story where it needs to go just doesnt work here. For all we know this could all be BS or blown out of proportion but the hermits need to protect their brand as its catered to kids and they cant take the risk of what if its fake. But it might have something legal involved so for now it is what it is. Iskall not saying anything as well leads me to think that. Gotta wait and see but will be highly dissapointed if this is all we get as the viewers.
The "settlement" is fully public. When confronted by the hermits he decided to resign from hermitcraft. That's it and that's all. We don't need to know every little detail of what he did for any reason than you wanting drama to leech off of.
@@Zinz778 That's not really what matters, we know he resigned, he has his reasons, now we want to know if he's actually a sexual predator or if she's just blowing this out of proportion to get people to turn on him
@@Zinz778 i think you're just getting pissy honestly, everybody has the right to argue on the internet, not everyone should use it, but to answer your point, no, what i mean with this entire comment is, either the hermitcraft account posts "iskall has resigned, and we will keep this private" and the person doesnt post anything, or said person posts the entire logs, iskall would have likely resigned either way, it's just that we don't know if he's actually a deplorable human being, or a guy who doesn't understand boundaries and is just ashamed of it so he decided to stay quiet.
Don't mistake this comment as defending iskall. The screenshots could be fake or taken out of context. Kass also claims more than what they showed evidence for. The allegations COULD be true. And you could see iskall's resignment and lack of acknowledgement as admittance of guilt. BUT, he could simply just be staying quiet for legal reasons. Many content creators that have had false allegations against them and persued legal actions have said that the first thing the lawyer advises them to do is go silent on social media. They're told not to fight the allegations until the case is settled legally, as it could dig a deeper hole for them. Either of these scenarios could be true so its best not to take a stance either way until we know a LOT more information.
@@broski7792 There's no "stance" to be taken, we're not part of some jury. The authority in this case are the hermits, they are the ONLY people in position to say they require ANY information.
As far as iskall resigning, from what little we know, to me, it sounds like iskall believes he is innocent and had supposed friends come to him with allegations instead of questions and trust. He's been apart of HC a loooong time and id say had decent relationships with most hermits. Who even came to him with those complaints? We don't know and that suggested to me that iskall is just pissed about the whole situation, along with his good friend stress, who was more apart of vault hunters than HC at this point similar to iskall. Probably been a long time coming
If he makes a response I’ll go over it in a video For now tho it seems as he’s just really bad at managing social media in general Until we have more info we can’t really jump to conclusions
No person ever has to provide incontrovertible evidence of their harassment to the public. They need to provide that evidence to those capable of acting on it, which happened in this circumstance. What happened in this person's personal life is none of our business, and if they don't want to relive it by sharing it then that's ok and people like you need to respect that. If the evidence was strong enough for the Hermits to act, and for Iskall to shut himself away, we can make a safe assumption that the situation was pretty gross. Things don't have to be illegal for you to find them upsetting. People don't have to outright tell you they're not interested. If they never engage with your flirting, if they never reciprocate, if they keep changing the subject then you can pretty easily figure it out
They can’t just publicly accuse a creator of sexual assault and not provide substantial proof of it Look at the recent allegations surrounding imallexx as an example Substantial proof was shown and we were able to jump to conclusions at them being a horrible person who don’t deserve a platform This isn’t just a small report, this can seriously mess with people’s livelihoods and reputations. We don’t know what happened and until we have the full picture we can’t provide full support. They clearly want some sort of attention as they posted the document under a tweet confirming they were a self described victim and only provided messages of flirtatious behaviour between 2 adults. This whole thing is blown out of proportion as well. In my last video people said “we need more substantial evidence he did nothing wrong” but in this video it’s “they’re victims they don’t need to share anything” 💀 In my opinion, if Kass wants proper support from the whole minecraft community and hermitcraft, she needs to show more substantial evidence / photo proof. The hermits have taken action sure but not saying anything only creates even more mass confusion.
@NotParallax again, except that that's not what happened. The person involved didn't do that. They went to the Hermits, they all reached a conclusion behind closed doors, and people like YOU are FORCING it to be public They made an accusation in private, about transgressions suffered in private, and morons have no right to make it public or make demands of the situation
You have to provide evidence of your accusations, no matter what your accusations are... See public backlash that is out of it, without fucking evidence available? Ofcourse hermitcraft wanted to get rid of it asap...
@DodoLP no, you don't. It's not the legal standard in any country with common sense and it shouldn't be the social standard. People don't get to harass you in private and then force you to relive that discomfort in public. The people who matter were informed and that's enough. If it wasn't serious then HC and VH would have gone to bat for Iskall instead of letting him withdraw
@@jamesleuthauser9336 the public should know what happened if someone is publicly coming forward with a claim saying a creator sexually harassed them. You need to substantiate claims like this
This video implies that the world in entitled to a victim's full report, which, I'm sorry, but we are not. She did the correct thing by showing the evidence to the correct people, if you decide to not believe the victim based on their word and on the action of a big group of people who have seen the evidence, it's not up to the victim to prove themselves times and times again. Don't blame the victim. People in situation of power should not use their power to creep on others. Even if there's nothing more to that, this fact should not y be normalised, which it sadly is in everyday life. Kassy spoke up as being someone who denounced the behaviour. It's a good thing. They say they have more evidence, the Internet should stop and think before asking to see them; you're just being voyeuristic. The genius seemed the evidence enough to remove an old member from the server and I'm sure that decision wasn't made lightly. Tl;dr: stop victim blaming, and stop trying to be voyeuristic. Abuse of peer for sexual advances should not be normalised
Yeah but if she spoke to the people of hermitcraft and they came to a conclusion, why come forward to the public with a document that barely provides proof of anything happening? All we have is 2 adults flirting with each other FYI this video isn’t victim blaming at all it’s simply saying we can’t support fully till we have all the evidence and substantial proof of what happened Based on the proof we have a lot of people don’t think iskall did anything wrong I’m also a believer in innocent before guilty, we should never provide full support to victims unless we have substantial evidence of what happened or the other party admits to doing so. Iskall hasn’t even come forward with a response yet
@@froggybangbang the allegations she came forward with were 2 people flirting with each other though there isn’t any substantial proof of harassment at all 💀
She doesn’t owe me anything at all she owes iskalls supporters further proof of what happened as she went public with a claim of sexual harassment but didn’t substantially prove it at all and is now using pastebin texts of anonymous alleged victims who look like they consented and agreed to everything 💀 you can’t accuse someone of a crime and not substantiate the evidence with proof
@@NotParallax This isn't a courtroom, or even the Jerry Springer Show -- she doesn't "owe" anyone anything, whether they are "Iskall's supporters" or not. A large company I once worked at fired our manager for misconduct with a female coworker -- and that's literally all any of us were ever told... no names, no details, no nothing. Because it was none of our business. The people involved were interviewed by the company and a decision was made from there -- which is exactly what's happening with Iskall... the people involved were interviewed by Hermitcraft and a decision was made (reportedly by Iskall himself) from there. Anything beyond that is none of our business.
I think it was blown out of proportion. If it was only two adults. The one affected could have just quit and gone away privately. Rather than making a scene out of it.
@@itsmilan4069the only victim that has come forward publicly was Kass The other victims just sent through statements in a pastebin which I went over in my last video There’s too much info missing from this story before jumping to any conclusions
STRESS was literally his door to door neighbor and they have a big project together. That's why she resigned. And it's obvious that EVERYBODY distanced themselves because they do content for mainly children and that's a serious allegations.
Putting a lot of pressure on the victim. Frankly this. You don’t deserve to know this information. Everything that has been disclosed has been. Leave it off and quit stirring. It sucks to see this has happened but instead of going after someone who has stated they’ve been victimized and dealing with their grief on this, leave it allow and live your own life.
@@Zak_Katchem the problem is they say they were victimised but didn’t substantiate it in the document I’m all for supporting victims if they show proof of what’s happened Can’t jump to any conclusions
@ You’ve missed the message. Others have received what they need to have severed ties. You aren’t owed access to this. Just because we been given a window into this doesn’t mean we get to be invited into the house.
The old there’s real evidence trust me bro because I’m not showing it trick. And the if he doesn’t respond or spend thousands of dollars to launch a lawsuit on someone that probably lives in a different legal jurisdiction it’s true. Just shows me this person isn’t very bright.
Honestly, I did some rethinking and while I 100% think what Iskall did was probably bad enough to get him kicked out, I do think we might be overestimating It seems that when presented with the evidence, the Hermits did not consider it important enough for immediate action and first asked Iskall Then, Iskall himself chose to resign and seemingly wasn't pressured. There could be a lot of reasons for resignation for something not that bad - it's the simpler, safer, and more private option then going dragging himself through a court of public opinion and having to show his history. Iskall might have also considered that resigning is safer for the overall image of Hermitcraft. And it seems to be over - the members didn't do anything more, and everyone seems to consider the case settled. I think the moderators probably felt uncomfortable with Iskall's advances, reported it to the members, and Iskall decided to resign
that is what happened My issue is if the matter was handled privately we didnt need this document from Kass, they wanted support from the community for allegations of sexual harrasment but came forward with adults flirting with each other thats my main issue with the situation
i was never a fan of iskall i found him annoying but my god do i hate this just believe me im a victim crap that has taken root in society im sorry im not shunning someone without hard evidence so i dont believe the "victims" are their adults and this was online the block button exists show real evidence of true wrong doing or stay silent dont do some halfass middle saying but you have to believe me nope and i wont
The Presumption of Guilt without sufficient reliable evidence is a very common thing in the all too vocal courts of public opinion and is a view particularly prevalent in communities predominantly of younger generations or vocal minorities. It persists even though individually many members would express opposition to the concept, realising the inherent danger to society in allowing it. This phenomenon is not isolated to this type of issue and is found in many many different issues affecting the western world; encompassing the criminal, political, civic, and environmental facets of society. This departure from the established Innocent until proven guilty is a concerning development. Even though attempt is made to avoid it, it does have an effect on the actual legal and judicial systems and the impartiality of such systems. It is in no small part due to the rise in social media influence and global connectedness. It is something that as a global society we must work on. If we do not, we will likely find ourselves in a very toxic, hostile, and non-enjoyable world.
Why would they continue talking to iskall is they were being sexually harassed. It's not like they were working for iskall or some shit if you're doing some free work for someone you have the right to be angry why not on the first time they were said those things report him immediately. And it seems like all those conversations are one sided we only see iskalls sexual advancements how about their comments to what iskall have said? Why are they afraid to show the full story if they were on the right?. The evidence only shows what benefits the victims and not how they responded that made Iskall said those things why did iskall kept on continuing if they told iskall to fuck off immediately. Why would you hide it show it inform the younger audience about it. If you are really a victim then you have nothing to be afraid for. The victim literally said source = trust me bro
First off the thumbnail is extremely clickbaity so you are not getting a like my dude. The girl saying that she has given us only 1/10th and that theres so much more is not enough to say anything and especially not "it gets worse". With that out of the way theres is no way to judge anyone in this situation. Literally nothing too out of the ordinary has been presented as of yet. Yea sure Iskall making advances like that while he allegedly has a live in partner or however they put it is not a good look for sure. No one can disagree on that. And as someone that sees cheating as the ultimate betrayal myself, Im really dissapointed in Iskall. But that being said if we really have only less than 1/10th of the picture from HER side theres really nothing to say here. We dont have his side either so no I aint judging no one yet. As for the Hermits and why he resigned. Hermitcraft is a brand and one that is revolved around kids for the most part. Obivously they wouldn't want to burden kids with drama like this. They just wanna keep it on the down low and sweep it under the rug as fast as possible. Imo Iskall did this for their sake as to not tarnish the brand that they all worked so hard to build up. At the end of the day all of them were his close friends. This whole situation doesnt make Iskall some evil person out of the blue and Im sure he still cares about them and I think he left out of respect for them so they can continue their lives as normal at least on camera. Yea maybe thats not the case but for now and with the extremely limitied and vague and one sided explanation given to us this is what I see as most likely to have happened. And about Stress - False already said she is not involved in this which I think might not be true but this is all we have for now. All in all there is no winners here, its a lose lose situation for everyone involved. Again im not here to defend anyone but Im not okay with people being canclled left and right. I have seen cases where people were falsly accused by dozens of fake victims and other bigger than them creators and this is not okay. Innocent until proven guilty. Remember that. Now we just gotta let things unfold.
> accidentally shares misleading information > owns up to it and creates video updating the audience with new information this why parallax the goat of minecraft commentary❤️
I'm kind of disgusted that this much pressuring and vitriol is being directed toward a survivor of sexual harassment. Clearly the victim believes it was seriously inappropriate, the Hermits believe it was seriously inappropriate, iskall himself believes it was seriously inappropriate, and if it was happening to me, I'd believe it was seriously inappropriate. A healthy skepticism can be a good thing, but please stop putting pressure on women to prove they were "actually" sexually harassed and weren't just "overreacting."
At this point we are just milking him for content Jesus guys A person just messed around with multiple people Yes that is not moral but not something most people haven't done in their lives. Plus honestly most of the trouble comes from a language barrier
i still have 80% trust in iskall since there is no evidence that she said dont flirt to me or anything like that secound we cant trust the document itself completly so far its i say and thats all also if iskall hasnt answered anything yet it could mean many things one of witch he could be looking at what the allegations are and how to not dig yourself a hole because legally speaking a single sentence could make you seem completly guilty
I think the best thing for Iskall is to just keep quiet. He is likely already in discussions with a lawyer. To me flirting with an adult is normal behavior... If you are not comfortable with the situation then you need to ether get out of the situation or make it clear that you are not comfortable with the situation. This almost sounds like a catfish situation. And remember that a person is in control of the information that is shown. So we are getting a single side of the whole story.
@@answeris4217 yeah that’s what I’m saying we don’t know where Iskall is at the moment and we haven’t gotten his side Evidence doesn’t substantiate the claim and iskalls probably working on it
It never changed anything. This has been the reality since the allegations came out. For someone who has so little context and evidence on the situation, you really think it's important to convict immediately.
if you understand it is creepy and a powertrip but you still think iskall shouldnt step down, you are only considering the losses of iskall and not that of the victim. They are a victim, all workplaces, regardless of being paid or not (unpaid interns) all hold the same rights. Those rights are very clear about the appropriate behaviour of company leads to staff in a lower position. Why? Because we are well aware of what the power position holds when it comes to expressing rejection from the lower party. The victim usually loses faith by the clients (exactly what your video is doing and others), they are often let go, forced out or made to feel unwelcome in their workplace. For what? Because someone liked you and they had more pull power in the business? Even if it's your own company, creating a workplace that will suit the needs of 1 individual over the rest of the employees will undoubtedly end yourself in a lawsuit. Iskall stepping down is the right thing to do, that victim had the courage to express their experience in an unfair dynamic against a very powerful online individual. Iskall loses his job, the victim gets attacked by half the audience for doing literally nothing but saying they were made uncomfortable by their boss (yes, mod or not, iskall is their boss in this situation and likely should be paying them). Running a company and taking in thousands/millions, you forgoe your romantic wants with staff because you should know that fundamentally it is an incredible dangerous, unfair, and possibly illegitimate. The pressure to suggest the victim should have declined iskall's advances is innapropriate based off the fundamental situation iskall put that individual in without their consent. When you lead people and a business, you reap a lot of benefits, you do not get to then exploit your situation further for personal gain, that is usually illegal.
The issue is that its not in relation to their company or work. Kass wasn't a paid employee or under a contract or a freelancer. She was another adult talking with an adult that made minecraft videos. She was a volunteer who wanted to help iskall. There is a difference. She could have left at any point in time, told iskall they didn't want to be there anymore or settled the matter privately. Like when Iskall offered to go onto Skype she could have said no. This isnt a case of work place sexual harassment. The document only provides evidence of a creator and a fan flirting with each other (they are both adults) Whilst it was the immature thing for iskall to do. It isn't sexual harassment which is what the document claims to have happened. There isn't substantial proof of this happening and my issue is with Kass coming forward with the document wanting support, however they dont substantiate the claim. There's probably something more serious that happened behind the scenes, but we don't know that for sure as we have no information. This has made the situation more polarizing
@@NotParallax It actually is classified as SA depending where in the world you live (by employment law some countries still include unpaid volunteers [BELIEVE IT OR NOT PEOPLE BEING PERSUEDED/EXPLOITED TO WORK FOR FREE IS SOMETIMES PROTECTED BY LAW] There is likely already been some cases mentioning discord and moderators in adjacent fields) Keep in mind, it's not about you and your opinion of what is deemed harassment, it is a power dynamic (CEO>Volunteer) that would be littered with case law to point to for the volunteer. It is bad and unethical - Whether iskall had thought about his actions or not, communicated clearly, initiation of flirting or even accepting it from his position is considered unethical by law in lots of countries.
@@NotParallax furthermore - Please look at the statistics of men's violance/harrassment against women/children/people and themselves. Look at quotes from Police leaders of Domestic violence taskforces, online stalking, etc. Tell me you can ignore iskall's reputation at the same time you can acknowledge the absolute fear that men's violence against people could potentially create. You cannot provide Hindsight to a situation with a simple answer and assume enthusiastic consent was there in a clear (you said it) CEO>Volunteer dynamic. Feed into this story by casting doubt based on perhaps a
So he cross the line, using his online persona. He could have used his real name, but he didn't he used the one associated with HermitCraft. And when his friends asked him why. He chose not to answer then simply walk away. All the people involve decided to be grown ups and keep it to themselves which is good thing. And it's there right to do so, action has been taken. And as far as the general public is concerned that will be the end of it
I wouldn't consider, "all the people involved decided to be grown ups and keep it to themselves" to be a true statement. The girl posted very specific photos online, and claimed to the world that she became a "victim of sexual harassment." If she wasn't looking for attention, she could have dealt with this all through private channels, and the world wouldn't have to know anything other than Iskall and Stress are leaving hermitcraft.
@@sandycoin I just wanted to clarify I didnt intend to come off as victim blamey, I simply was stating that if you’re gonna come forward publicly with allegations as serious as sexual assault you should come forward with substantial proof of the allegation so the community can provide full support Not doing so sets a dangerous precedent as anyone could come forward Make a text document and cancel a creator for stuff they just didn’t do
Im still confused.... his flirting and making advances on multiple people isn't wrong . And if they didn't out right tell him they weren't interested, he could have taken it as them being shy for changing the subject. Also, him backing out isn't a sign of guilt.... he could have been thinking that it was better to get out of the public eye, because even if you're innocent, being accused of things like this doesn't look good on a person and it's very hard to fight allegations. Obviously, i don't know what happened because i wasn't there, but without absolute proof, nobody can say if he is guilty. Unfortunately, it sounds like they didn't like that he was seeing multiple people and decided to go after his reputation . To me, at least . And with that being said, we all have our opinions on what happened and no the solid evidence of anything bad actually happening. Only time will tell if they will actually let us know if he did anything or not.
She could also be blowing it out of proportion a bit. We don't have full context to know what actually happened, and so we should save our opinions about it until we do have that information. But the Hermits allegedly do Have that information and that is why thigs happened like they did. Its a matter of if we trust their judgement, which i do. Even if she was making this up, or editing screenshots, this kinds of things get you in trouble fast anyway. the decision of resigning to protect the server from this was the best he could do, in either situation.
@@Gaston-Melchiori yeah it’s just we don’t know I trust that the hermits have done the right thing I’m just disappointed in Kass for making a private matter public and not providing more evidence
Videos like this are probably exactly why they haven't shared anything else. This is not respectful to victims of sexual harassment and this is not helpful to the Hermitcraft community.
3:15 he is guilty, source: trust me bro. How do you publicly paint someone a criminal and then refuse to submit any real evidence while also expecting people to just blindly accept and follow it.
He said he sent proof to the hermits, who gave iskall the option to explain himself or resign and he choose to resign. Kasszi has evidence he just chooses not to PUBLICLY share it. The hermits won’t kick someone out without proof please use half your brain and think
@ the hermit’s won’t kick someone out without proof? Do you know them personally? Im not saying the hermits are wrong and im not saying iskall is right either but we also shouldn’t blindly trust anyone especially strangers we don’t personally know on the internet.
@ mate either u don’t know anything about hermit craft or ur straight trolling. 2 things, firstly they didn’t kick him they gave him 2 options; explain his side or resign and he chose to resign, secondly everything is done by unanimous decision so all the members had to agree.
@@MarjinsTech and also relax on the passive aggressive insult its not that serious, in the end these are all just theories and no one really knows what actually happened apparent from those involved.
this is my last video on iskall, correcting the errors on my last video If further information comes out I will cover it, for now this is it. Got some exciting plans for 2025, and a end of year video For now this is it, thank you for watching, liking, subscribing, commenting :)
You are missing one big, big point: Responsibility. Iskall, a famous person, the public looks up to, has a duty of care. Yes, it still is a bad thing to do if you are not famous, but if you are famous and use the fact that people look up to you against them (ie. people will tolerate much more bs from you because they dont want to be disliked by their idol), you are a bad person, full stop. Considering how many people cut ties with him, and all the different accounts, I'd say the allegations do have weight.
@@codingjawa5180 People are rabid nowadays, that's the problem with that. Have you seen what tiny things people cut others out for? And what happened to "this person is struggling with a temptation, I need to be there and help him out"? Isolation from friends will only make Iskall's struggles harder for him to overcome.
@HumanoidDerpling Iskall is 38. Thirty-eight! He is producing youtube content for 18 years now. A creator with that much seniority, at that age, should be very well aware of the implications of his popularity AND should be quite sufficiently able to control his impulses. To have someone produce content which is mainly watched by a young and impressionable audience behave like Iskall did is an absolute no-go. He can be helped, privately, but not enabled. Having him frequent the HC / VH Servers, especially after what came out, would be a slap in the face to those he affected with his behaviour, as well as an invitation to continue with impunity. That people refuse to work with him anymore is just a natural consequence of his own actions and I bet he knows this. His behaviour would be forgivable if the space he is working in wasnt full of young, vulnerable people. He will have to work a lot in order to get his reputation to a level where ppl trust him with that space again. If that is even possible.
@@codingjawa5180 and what exactly did come out? For the moment the only things that are known is that he (an adult) flirted with some other people (adults) in private (up until they themselves published parts of that). The last part is the most puzzling: if you think that 'famous' person should not show that kind of behavior why post it in the first place?
Honestly, if the rest of my relationship with a group would be nothing but hatred, and my life would be effectively ruined, id probably resign too If it were bad enough, id probably "resign permanently from the corporation of life" too People are evil, especially the ones who claim to be faultless and effectively the arbiers of truth, without accountability... including the ones that are "uncriticizable" especially
idk how to feel about this. this video was good and thanks for correcting your mistakes. now, this situation is not harrasment as i see. there didn’t look to be any sign of the word stop, which kinda means he had no idea it was wrong. i understand it might be hard to do that, but unless you do, the person will continue to make advances on you. if you tell them to stop, but they don’t stop, then that’s harrasment, but that might not be what we’re dealing with. he resigned from hermitcraft and is silent maybe not because he’s guilty, but because there’s a legal battle behind the scenes. the hermits removing him from thumbnails and stuff (like as in people are bluffing and that’s not happening, cause I’m pretty sure it’s not) and he wasn’t kicked out of hermitcraft, he resigned possibly not because he was a terrible person but just because it sets a bad example to the other hermits familily friendly stuff, which is understandable. main thing, i think he’s not guilty of anything really really bad, just something bad.
They don’t owe us anything!! Just because you want proof and XYZ doesn’t mean they have to give us that. This was a personal private matter. He hurt multiple people and manipulated them. They’ve given us enough proof. Even though they didn’t need to. I get it, we all loved him. But not everyone is who we think they are. Also, to say that she blew it out of proportion is absolutely outrageous. How would you feel if you were the victim of something and just because you came forward people were telling you that same exact line? Not only is it heartless, but it’s also selfish to expect people to give us information that they are not ready to share. It was bad enough that Iskall didn’t even attempt to defend himself. He would rather throw away his career and resign. People feeling like they are owed something in this situation is pissing me off. The only people who are owed anything are the victims. They deserve an apology at the bare minimum. Not for everyone to jump onboard making things worse. If you’ve never been a victim of anything, then you just need to keep your mouth shut because you will never understand what it feels like. Or how hard it was to even come forth. I can only hope the victims can move forward and find some level of peace with everything moving forward.
@@elizabethleann7809 read my community post They don’t owe us anything However because the allegations are serious and Kass came forward with the matter, not articulating it well. It’s created mass confusion and left open room for speculation They haven’t given enough proof at all, they have only shown friendly messages between 2 adults, no advances at all. If this was a personal private matter it should have been handled that way The documents blown it out of proportion
5:43 what are you even saying here? They DID confront Iskall privately? That's why he resigned from the hermitcraft server before releasing any information? Hell we were informed that Iskall chose to resign after being confronted PRIVATELY before any information on WHY he resigned became public with the information from multiple people being brought to light (since you are currently only focusing on the one story, there are also more) it is quite clear it's at the very least sexual harassment, with connotations of being outright predatory
Ok so in my last video people say they need proof and in this video you say we don’t need proof? If you’re gonna publicly accuse someone of sexual harassment and want 100% of the public’s support you should show 100% of the story rn all it really shows is flirty messages which was the criticism in my last video
@@NotParallax if by flirting between adults is one person being very pushy with it and the other person is trying to avoid it and turn it down, then yes that is what it shows the public is not owed a full explanation of the events, especially after the victims have said they feel uncomfortable sharing that information to the public at the moment I'm not saying proof isn't required, however there is proof and the people who have needed to see it has seen it. Hence why other hermits got involved and privately confronted Iskall, and also why multiple people have left the vault hunters dev team. You are demanding evidence from the victims of a relatively recent toxic event in their private lives, after they have said they will not be disclosing that information as of yet, and you have little to no authority or reason to actually have that information. I understand wanting to know more of the story of the harassment and emotional abuse (see Mefalit's story on this, it was also released the same day but afaik you haven't even really talked about it) but you have no right to that information, and neither does anyone else. I trust the people who have been given the evidence, and handled it rationally by first privately confronting them about it, and then Iskall made the decision for them without even defending himself against it. Tell me, if this was a physical case of abuse and rape would you then also demand to see the videos and photos of it happening? Just because everyone in this case are adults that does not mean any of it was okay or justifiable. If Iskall really was innocent in this, genuinely why did he not talk it through with his (at the time) friends? Why would multiple people decide to fabricate this whole story about this one seemingly wholesome guy and get him kicked from a minecraft server and lose part of his own development team? And before you go on to read Mefalit's story and reply back to me saying that she's an adult and that she consented to the whole thing, please also then read what "emotional manipulation" and "taking advantage of" means.
@ I literally said this in my last video too but apparently people need more evidence I say that now, people don’t need evidence. If you want 100% support from the community show 100% of the evidence of. Doesn’t mean show videos of rape / nudes. Show proof of him harassing you. At the moment all it looks like is flirting between 2 adults. That’s what the situation is
I'm very much on the fence! Ok, so iskall is a womanizer. We've confirmed that. This is something that leaves a bad taste in your mouth but ultimately will never effect any of us fans or his coworkers. I like iskalls content! I watch his VH VODs too. He has a fun personality, which is why he's able to pull this off lol. Do I think he needs to be assaulted online this much, no. Should he leave hermitcraft? Well, he's mentioned not being excited to play on there many times in streams so, yes. Should he hand VH over the hellfire? Absolutely not! He has created a great game and what he does in his personal life doesn't effect that. I hope his dream of making a stand alone game happens!
It seems insane to me that human beings can't be human beings if they are in the public eye. If the recipient didn't like the flirting , advances toward them they should be an adult about it and let the person know up front. Ofc we don't have all the information but this sounds like a classic case of someone being overtly flirtsy probably very sexual but from what we have, it seems they weren't really asked to stop. Iskall in this case probably didn't read the signs and kept going being lead on by the idea something could come of the flirting and not an outright statement that the recipient was not interested. Now the community seems split on it but Hermitcraft doing what they did really paint Iskall in a bad way given the actions taken. Not to play defense for a sitch i know nothing about as a random person in the pool of views like I'm sure most if not everyone else here is, however imo this reads very blown up , misunderstanding, or simply not the majority's "cup of tea" say if Iskall was being overtly sexual , some people are into that and some people are not. I'd agree he was out of line if there was any sort of documentation showing he was seriously asked to stop or the recipient stated they were not interested in a romantic/sexual relationship. The response to all of this seems way over the top either way unless it's proven repeat behavior.
0:08 hey that’s me Edit: after watching the video I still agree and I feel like he hasn’t done anything wrong, I don’t see where the sexual allegations are coming from. I mean he’s an adult, yes his flirting was creepy and that’s a red flag but it doesn’t go farther then that, so to put these kinda allegations out there in the public you need to put out the proof with it, without the proof you can’t expect their whole community to turn against them imo
Nobody is under any obligation to share details with the public. His friends heard him and the victim out, and decided they didn’t want to play Minecraft with him anymore. Maybe he’s guilty, maybe he’s not. You can choose to believe whoever you like, but I think basing what you think off of someone’s hesitancy to share (hypothetically) explicit and embarrassing screenshots is cringe.
Then why did she share anything at all? She could've just kept it private between her and Hermitcraft, but she decided to post it publicly instead. That's her own decision.
First off I just wanna say before this video I had no idea who iskall was. I am just a part of the VH community and wanted to see what was going on. From watching this video none of the evidence provided raised any red flags to me. The only red flag I saw was that when confronted he resigned, which means there may be something bad that we don’t know of. But the screenshots shown in this video prove nothing, we can’t act like people don’t do this kind of stuff online all the time. It’s not sexual harassment first off, and if it was she could easily block him and end things. Another suspicious thing is that she didn’t show any of her responses, only what iskall was saying. Again I’m not saying he’s innocent, literally none of us know without more concrete evidence. I just think it’s sad that people get canceled and have their careers ruined over little petty things that happen over the internet. Just my opinion and I hope this is able to get resolved so VH can continue to be updated
Why couldn't Kasszi just have left his channel, blocked him, etc and let that be the end of it? This is one exhibit of the self-righteous attitude people have nowadays. She could have avoided drama entirely, while also not defaming Iskall for making advances that, while inappropriate, she didn't clearly show were unwanted. Why did she think this was something other people had to know about? She did no good by making this public and she did an uncalled for deal of harm. The way the hermits immediately cut ties with Iskall was also unwarranted. Every human on earth has done bad stuff, we all have skeletons in our closets. Cutting him off like that seems like just an excuse to feel better about their faults because "at least I'm not as bad as that guy". That kind of attitude is destructive and immoral. That's not to say Iskall is innocent, but his actions do not constitute harassment, because Kasszi never put her foot down.
I believe the hermits had good reason for their actions and I'm fine with them keeping it private. But then I don't understand why Kasszi made that document if they didn't want it to be a public topic and it's not the full story anyway
Staying silent is an American right that cannot be used against the accused as an admission of guilt. Literally any lawyer will tell their client to not say anything publicly about the accusations as literally anything you say, including denying the accusations, can and will be used against you. Furthermore, the legal system is based on an "Innocent until proven guilty" standard, as it is a logical impossibly to prove that you have not done something (absent 360° 24/7 video surveillance of every single second of your life), but it is absolutely possible for others to prove if you have done something. At a creator, it is understandable that his fans feel they deserve some kind of answer, but in the end he has to look out for himself and follow his attorneys advice, even if the allegations are completely bogus.
Just with the information you've presented, i feel kasszi is mostly in the wrong for not articulating her discomfort with his advances. Even if she was trying to hide sensitive content from a younger audience, any screenshot of her showing clear and stern discomfort would greatly back up her side of the story Until we get more information this is going to be the belief i hold
Disgusting bad faith video that blames victims for not showing evidence to people they dont need to show the evidence to, it was enough evidence to get Hermitcraft to ask Iskall about it and to get him to resign, this is a bad faith, idiotic analysis. Refrain from making videos like this in the future and delete this, its a childish perspective that will cause hate to go to the victims rather than the abuser. Get bent.
She posted accusations publicly, so she'll get public reactions to the accusations. If she wanted everything to remain private, then she could have kept it private and not post a whole accusation doc for the world to see.
I am completely new to hermitcraft community and everything (like I started watching Grains POV from August 2024) and I have watched a lot every night and in my eyes Iskall did wrong things but I don't think he deserved this much of hate. Reasons: It is not like he was manipulating Kasszi or anything. he was way too much upfront about his intention and if she had just stopped or just told him she is uncomfortable then he would not have continued his flirting and if she is an adult she should have understood what n*ked, b*ner etc means over a skype chat... I don't have the full story but if people are gonna ruin a person whole career just cause he is horny and flirty then maybe we are getting into dystopian society... also Iskall should have confronted or told his side or apologized about it but I can understand why he didn't do it he is ashamed also in the end Hermitcraft's majority audience are kid (kids part is not hate but like I will not mind if my younger brother is watching hermitcraft videos)
Have we considered just... not caring? I mean, Iskall did something bad, and he's facing the consequences. There we go. There is no need to make a whole youtube series about this. I mean yeah it sucks. I used to watch Iskall and Mumbo and Grian during the Sahara saga of season 6. But what happened happened so its pointless to keep drawing attention to it. This is not meant to be an attack on the creator of the video, as he's doing what he can to provide information to his community, but let's just let the victims of this situation rest easy now that the bad guy's been caught, and stop pestering them with questions and interviews.
thanks for your comment mate, i wasn't pestering them with interviews I just requested one to see if they would be interested in sharing any new insights All i was tryna do was follow up my previous video cos some stuff was wrong
Final Thoughts on the Iskall85 Situation
I wanted to address the ongoing discussion about the Iskall85 situation. There has been significant feedback from Hermitcraft viewers, many of whom believe that the public is not owed any detailed explanation regarding what happened. While that perspective is valid, it's also important to recognize the weight of the allegations being discussed.
Hermitcraft has taken actions they deem appropriate based on complaints they have received. While the decision to handle this matter privately aligns with their beliefs on how the situation should be handled, it naturally leaves room for public speculation. Balancing privacy with transparency is always a complex challenge in these scenarios. Which is the message I was trying to say in my previous videos, we simply do not have enough information to jump to conclusions.
In the Minecraft community, there have unfortunately been past instances of false allegations, as well as instances where creators have been held accountable for genuine misconduct. It’s crucial to approach such situations with care, avoiding assumptions about anyone’s motives or actions without substantial evidence.
Regarding the document shared by the victim:
It’s clear that the victim chose to come forward independently, hoping to encourage others to share their experiences if relevant. However within the document the details weren't substantial and the anonymous victims have only made the situation more polarizing.
The messages presented in the document depict friendly exchanges between Iskall and the accuser. While these may appear benign, context and interpretation can vary significantly, especially in sensitive situations.
The victim stated that they chose not to share certain evidence publicly to respect boundaries and allow Hermitcraft to handle the matter internally. This decision reflects a desire to avoid exposing private, potentially sensitive content unnecessarily. However, the document has only created mass confusion.
The lack of publicly shared evidence does make it difficult for the broader community to assess the situation fully. However, it’s worth acknowledging that the Hermitcraft team has likely reviewed all relevant information before reaching their decision. Until we have further information, we can not jump to any conclusions on the matter.
While some may feel frustrated by the absence of a public response from Iskall, it is ultimately his choice whether to address these allegations or not. In the meantime, it’s important for the community to remain respectful and avoid jumping to conclusions.
This situation highlights the need for substantial evidence, when reporting on allegations and for commentary youtubers (myself included) to report the information as allegations and what has been said, not fact.
The confusion in this situation has also led to people trying to spread misinformation and reporting fabricated evidence as fact, this is not ok.
Overall, I apologise if the victim found my videos hurtful or had any biases that upset the community. I always push to make videos that are thoughtful, insightful and entertaining. It appears as though I have missed the mark here and should have made one unbias video then 2 bias videos documenting both sides.
I will keep the videos up as a reminder to myself about this promise as well.
Kind regards, Parallax
FYI: FalseSymmetry (another hermit) has clarified that Stress' departure from Hermitcraft is not related to the Iskall situation.
how? theyre best friends, i doubt them leaving at the same time isnt unrelated
@@RichRBLX I don't think we should look too deep into it, to my knowledge Stress's main content partner was Iskall, without him around she can't really make the content she used to, and she is probably quite upset about finding out about Iskall. Of course she might have known, but we shouldn't assume.
@@RichRBLX I believe it means she's not leaving because she's involved in anything
@@RichRBLXyou seem to be thick in the head
can we have the source for this?
It really says a lot when I'm relieved that it has nothing to do with minors for once 💀
Fax.
It’s so concerning that I almost immediately assumed it had something to do with minors
Guy's the point of releasing some of the documented stuff isn't to prove to the public he's guilty, or turn fans against him, it's an explanation for why he's being kicked out of Hermitcraft. The members involved aren't taking legal action, or trying to cancel him and his channel. They handled it internally, and the people involved chose to elaborate to the extent they felt comfortable with. We the public are not owed personal information about a sensitive issue. I get that people want to defend him, but this isn't about us or what we think about him. It's about the fact that other Hermits did not like his actions, and his moderating team did not feel comfortable around him.
I do hope he comes back to make videos especially with everything happening in my life. People are quick to say cancel. All I want is to see one of the few creators make videos so that I can get out of the dark place I'm in as of late.
People only focus on the one side of this yet their is a whole following of people that use a creators content to help escape mental health problems. I myself being one... it kinda sucks.
There are like 27 other Hermits. I'm sure you can find someone else to watch...
He wasn't even kicked out. He chose to resign as soon as the other hermits started discussing the allegations with him.
@@HairToThePie I'm sorry to hear that you've been feeling unwell. I do have some advice for you: if you'd like to improve your mental health, you could start by taking a walk every morning. There's a lot more to say, but I promise doing that will do more for you than any youtuber ever could. Best of luck!
THANK YOU! Tryed to say just that, my words failed me.
I think the Hermits handled it in the most respectfull, adult way I have seen in a long time: Stuff happend, we looked into it, we wanted to talk, he resigned. Adding clarification to stop the worst rumors (What I would call fair, short and precise) and that's it. But even the post by Mumbo was only made nessesary because of speculation by non-involved partys.
What people need to understand is that hermits did not outright remove Iskall, they just confronted him and iskall chose to resign. Which means iskall himself considered that fighting the allegations was not worth keeping his position at hermitcraft.
And the hermits went as far as removing all the links and collaborations with Iskall, which means its could not be something as simple as an adult guy flirting.
Best case take it as a guy misusing his position. Imagine a CxO of some big corporation trying to have creepy conversations with other low level employees. Its easy for him to indulge in harassing behaviour and get away with it. And one thing I know is that Hermitcraft takes their reputation very seriously. They cannot let it slide even if there was nothing illegal going on.
That is what I said in the video
According to what the document shows it is just showing flirting behaviour
And have you considered that Hermitcraft is a brand catered to kids and they just wanted to not expose them to drama of this kind. I think iskall left out of respect for his friends not that they forced him or it wasnt worth it. Them removing him from everywhere is just there so they can avoid the topic on camera as much as possible. They were his close friends after all and he isnt just some evil person. Its not just black and white. Yea maybe he did something horrible but we dont have the whole story so nothing can be said. Thats your best case. Someone might say the best case is this is all fake and they did it to just keep it on the down low for most of the fans and he comes back later with some excuse for the fans. Unless theres more added to the whole picture and more importantly Iskalls side of it, theres no way to say anything for sure. So dont go around being ready to say he did this or that. Im playing the devils advocate here but dont get me wrong Im not defending anyone either. I have just seen many people being cancelled unjustfully and some even banned off platforms like twitch and shunned to this day just because there were tons of fake allegations and even some other big streamers that had a grudge against them joining the bandwagon. It is ALWAYS innocent until PROVEN guilty.
@@NotParallax And quite a few people have come out and say that the things that got published were not the whole story. Because we're speaking of sexual behaviours, there's more that happened and you don't need to be shown everything.
Guilty is a court of law decision. The public does not need to uphold to judiciary decisions to decide that one person behaviours are not something they want to see in the community.
If someone is shown to be a creep, do you really need to see them in the act before you need to distance yourself from them. The Hermits are not a company, the fans are not a court. They have no obligations to "innocence until guilty philosophy".
It's only creepy because Iskall wasn't taking the hint that they weren't interested. Actually, according to the information that I read it was only one person that wasn't interested. The rest were angry that Iskall was flirting with other women and lied about being in a relationship. Also, Iskall was basically forced to resign so the Hermits could avoid legal scrutiny. And you are making a lot of assumptions based on what the Hemits did. As a basic principal you shouldn't blindly believe anything like you are right now.
@@Catswaga IMO kids would've benefitted from seeing what sexually harassing behaviour looks like. I don't really understand why anybody thinks that protecting kids from things helps them in any way.
5:00 i kinda disagree. the public doesnt need to know. only the parties responsible for handling the situation do. sexual harassment isnt something that needs to be treated like front page tabloid news.
Public does though you can't go he sexually assaulted me then not prove it
That’s your opinion and I can respect that
In my opinion if you’re going to accuse someone of sexual harassment and you want full support of the public you should show the full evidence
@@NotParallax agreed and im sure hes innocent, hes still apart of the MCC cards and stuff
That's the entire point; if this situation wasn't serious enough to have everything laid-out for the public, then it _shouldn't have been made-public at all._ If it actually _is_ as serious as the "victims" are claiming it to be, then it all needs to come out.
Because frankly, the way that it stands...it sounds Overblown. Iskall's reputation is _ruined,_ and people are profiting off of calling him a creep, a predator, and an abuser. Meanwhile, the only evidence we have is _bad flirting._
And the fact that the "victim" doesn't want to show evidence of it, sounds like an excuse to skirt the evidence.
The longer this goes on, the more it sounds like the "victims" were power-tripping over the ability to get someone cancelled or to strike a blow against the previously impervious Hermitcraft Brand.
You can't cry "sexual harassment" and claim victimhood one minute, and then tell the public that they "don't deserve an explanation" the next. It's the literal definition of crying wolf.
@@GanonGhidorah So... you prefer that they know everything he did and they just don't do anything? Like keep playing with someone they don't feel like brings good stuff to the community, endorse the brand of someone that has cause arm to their fans, because it's not a case decided by a judge?
I am mostly wanting to say this because I feel some fans may need to see it, not to try and start problems.
Having been in a position in the to make decisions on handling allegations about a member of a community like the Hermits have been put in. There is a high likelihood that they cannot say much publicly for whatever reason. Sometimes its for legal reason sometimes it for something else. You have to put faith that they are doing what they should be doing. Yes the currently published document might not seem like a lot to go on, but as people who don't have all of the information. We have to have faith that that the members of hermitcraft aren't taking this seriously for no reason.
On the otherside, Due to whatever process is happening Iskall himself may not be able to say anything. Which sucks because people will respond with "silence is damning" when that may not even be the case. Assuming the best scenario and that this was something blown out of proportion. He may still need to stay silent as to not make it worse for himself. We don't know.
There is a lot of information that WE as the audience are not privy to. Let the people handling to their jobs.
Mumbo & Grian were pretty good friends with Iskall, I highly doubt they would be so dramatic as to erase him from thumbnails or merch UNLESS there was something they felt he did was heavily against their core values. Again, maybe it will turn out I am wrong about that, but until we find out what happens this is what I have to go off of.
I feel the same way. There’s clearly more to it than this. Possibly concerning the distribution of photos non-consensually, which is not okay. They wouldn’t have reacted this way otherwise
The hermits are doing exactly what they should and told us just enough what was needed. I just don't understand why Kasszi and the other victims published those documents at all if it doesn't fully show the seriousness of the situation. Then they get defensive when outsiders understandably question things. Imo it just makes the whole thing more confusing and messy than it needs to be
@@nightowl3891 The truth can always stand up to investigation. Don't trust anyone who tells you not to question it, or that you just need to trust him/her.
It's hard to say, I watch all 3 Hermits you mentioned, Mumbo, Grian and Iskall but the channels we see are also their business and livelihood. Not just Mumbo or Grian the people. If it hurts their brand, I can see them removing Iskall while remaining friends behind the scenes. It's all purely speculation but it may not be worth it to them to risk their livelihood to protect their friends. Who knows what their viewership breakdown looks like (kids vs adults) but you also have to consider brand deals they may have. But, at the end of the day, that's all purely speculation unless they speak on it directly.
I actually agree with you though that it's likely worse than what we know so far but again that's purely my own speculation and opinion.
@HumanoidDerpling When he left one of his largest group of friends at the mere mention of the allegations and the hermits didn't push back, that was all the proof you needed. Any pushing of victims beyond that is mere drama pandering, but sadly for you, these are mature(mostly) adults, not some drama fueled streaming house of exploitable twats like OTK or FaZe.
Why should the stuff be public? If the Hermits and VH have all info they need, than the case is closed.
No
You don't publicly accuse and then say the case is privately closed.
But ... the drama and the show! If we don't get to see aaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllll the dirty laundry, get all the creepy details, how are we supposed to keep entert ... I mean pass fair judgement? Only if we get to see the depth of depravity, will we be able to feel supirior to the vi ... able to judge these women for being nai ... justify our sexist world-view, that women should stay indoors with a stove and a bro ... I mean only then we will be able to know, understand and feel empathy. A simpel "Things happened that made me feel deeply uncompftable" can never be enough, could it?
This guy is just drama farming 😂
I was just reporting on allegations and correcting what I said in my previous video
You can’t just publicly ruin someones reputation and not have receipts to back it up
i advocate for the discontinuation of drama slop. cease uploading
I back this.
og lol
i mean this politely but this video is a huge L take
iskall was not kicked out, he chose to resign after being confronted about allegations
if the allegations were falsehoods, he could just say so, and the hermits would believe him because they were his friends
this means that there is irrefutable evidence, and its not our place to demand it from victims of iskalls abuse
Ok so I said in the video he resigned once confronted
I was not demanding evidence I was requesting to speak with them to understand the situation in more detail. If you want 100% support from the community you should give 100% of the evidence
@@NotParallax that is the definition of demanding evidence, you are implying that the claims should not be believed without more evidence being released, despite the fact that iskall completely refused to give any statement. technically silence is not an admission of guilt, but if the allegations were untrue he could easily refute them and win
this is not a guilty-until-proven-innocent situation, iskall has been proven guilty
@@gabbieblue yeah exactly they shouldn’t be fully believed
I was reporting on feedback from my previous video. I wanted to get a better understanding of what happened so I went to the source. Didn’t get a response which is fine
I’m not like black mailing them or anything for a response, simply just requested one
I do that a lot when filming documentaries to both sides of the party, if I believe I can get in contact with them. I want to do unbiased commentaries and I believe that if you’re gonna request 100% support from people show 100% of the evidence
@@NotParallax my issue is not with you asking for more information, that is entirely fair
my issue is the implication that the victims of the situation are fabricating the little evidence that they have released in order to defame iskall
your commentary feels like it sides with iskall, despite him not even presenting a statement. which does not feel unbiased
@ I understand that it sides with him
However I also made a video last week going over what the victim said and siding with them and it was a bit of a lose lose situation. Iskall fans will support iskall and people that don’t like iskall will support the victim. I was simply just tryna report on the allegations and document what was happening. As a creator I want to always hear both sides of the coin so I’m willing to reach out to both sides to get a better understanding of the matter but obviously I understand if they don’t want to, I don’t see anything wrong with requesting an interview for more info (that’s how everyone gets interviews)
I apologise if it feels unbiased but I made this video to correct the biases in my last one
This is the equivalent to being sexually harassed at work and it being dealt with internally. She voulenteered as a moderater and had her boss start sending her a ton of inappropriate messages which she didnt sign up for.
Just because shes an adult doesnt make it right of acceptable to speak to someone this way.
This wasnt the only victim, just the only one brave enough to come forward and give context for the fans and look at all the kickback shes had for it!
People wonder why women never come forward and stay anonymous and this is why! Its appalling how this has been handled. Lets stop defendong perpetrators and start supporting victims.
We should 100% support victims
However these are just allegations at this stage as we haven't gotten further information.
Until we have more information thats it. We need innocent until proven guilty in the minecraft community. As there are a lot of creators who have had reputations ruined due to just blindly believing the victim.
Sure hermitcraft has the whole picture, but it is confusing to a lot of hermitcraft fans, as currently the only evidence we have is of them flirting with each other
My goal wasn't to defend iskall in anyway, I have made a video going over the victims side and Iskalls side
Thank you for your comment :)
I don’t know for sure, and this might be victim blamey, but i think it was a miscommunication. if she maybe expressed how she felt, maybe he would stop (maybe she did and he didn’t stop, if so then 1000% he’s in the wrong) if there’s not way to tell that it was wrong, I get why the situation existed. tell me if I’m wrong, I don’t know.
@@fluffgotstudios9390 that is what i said in the video
@@NotParallax it’s like 3am and i have the attention span of a worm lolllllzzzzz
I completely agree. The way this is being handled by fans is appalling. People are calling for the victims to air their trauma to the world so they can 'judge' Iskall. Absolutely appalling how everyone involved is being treated. There's been some insane assumptions and name calling. He obviously made a mistake. How grave doesn't really matter as the situation has been handled.
It's just awful how much of a bad example this is setting for the young folk (women, men and non-binary) in the community. People should feel safe coming forward if something makes them feel uncomfortable. If people feel like it has to be the worst case, or that they have to disclose everything publicly, then people won't come forward.
Given that Stress and Iskall have been good friends for a long time and had literally based next door to each other this season it would be very difficult for Stress to continue. She's turned off comments to all of her videos and I don't blame her. It just makes me sad that two talented content creators have had their careers and income destroyed by this. I hope Stress is okay. As for the allegations and the morbidly curious who want all the nitty gritty details it is literally none of our business. This situation is not for our entertainment. Leave those people who actually know everything that is going on to handle it.
This is so stupid. She gave evidence to the hermits and they wouldn't kick him without proper proof. Clearly the woman is uncumfortable sharing this and we should believe the other hermits including the literal owner of the server, mumbo, Grian, and all the others. This is not a difficult matter
I'm not defending him just want to be clear people understand. He resigned himself, Hermitcraft did not kick him out, there is a chance he could have stayed. I would believe they would advise him to resign though like the Yogscast have done with troublesome members, as it only tarnishes their business.
Yes she is uncomfortable about the situation as it is an uncomfortable thing to experience, a person you have no interest making strong advances possibly sending nude photos but in the end both parties were adults and the Victim can distance themself and communicate they are not interested as i feel they didn't as Iskall kept coming back as if he never got told to back off
Without proper evidence of the more severe actions it's hard to completely cut support as them just saying this is 1/10th of the information is not evidence enough of what he has done, obviously with the current evidence we can feel for the victim of what they have been through and will not downplay what they have experienced, this is not the victims fault.
There is a huge possibibilty that Iskall realising that his adult actions had come out to the public realised he could not continue his career as Minecraft Content on HermitCraft as both subjects are heavily in favour of Under Age audience and saw his career being destroyed so decided to just end it himself.
@@TheKingreiko …. This! All of this. Hermitcraft is the definition of pg. Some swearing on some streams. Some double entendres here and there. But! Wholesome stuff.
Content creators like the hermits have to more careful than other adults. Because of the audience and their wholesome image. Which is important….
Also Iskall has a lot to deal with in his personal because of this. Which may also have influenced his decision not to fight for his place on the server.
Some would say that Iskall is being treated unfair. And there could be a point to this. But Hermitcraft is a different thing than many other online things.
Iskall being outed as horny adult, and online “cheating” on his partner Kinda ruins that. It would not ruin other content creators.
Damn they really kept this drama under the radar, i'm just finding out about it now and i watch a lot of hermits. I just went to the hermitcraft website and they've removed iskall and stress from all the creators in the title. Even in Grian's latest video (the world tour) which was filmed starting in October, both are missing from lamp board as he goes through everyone's bases. I wonder if they'll remove his builds before the world download is made available at the end of the season. I never noticed because iskall and stress are a few of the hermits i never watch. I mean I'm not that surprised, there are 25+ hermits and the group has been going for over a decade, some drama was bound to pop up, just the law of averages
Guys. He is a clickbait channel. He only made another video bc the last one got so many views. He’s not refuting himself bc he “got stuff wrong”. He’s dumbing down the evidence and invalidating it to make a hot take. It doesn’t matter if they were paid employees or unpaid. They were still employees. And those of you who care about the victims, their well-beings, and their community, the entire VH dev team wouldn’t shun him. What he did is clearly awful, and everyone who has seen the full evidence has backed this up. I’ve seen the fallout in the VH discord community. This isn’t cancel culture. This is a manipulative asshole sexually harassing people he has a position of power over. And btw. Iskall was one of my favorite hermits. I don’t have any bias against him. In fact, I still find myself having a little mental bias FOR him. Moral over the story: Don’t talk about shit you don’t know shit about.
@@mewexum7554 the problem is the public don’t have enough information to jump to any conclusions yet
The evidence we have in the document was 2 adults flirting with each other
I went over this all in the previous video
@@NotParallaxthis isn’t a public issue this is between hermit craft and those victims. stop being weird
When it comes to sexual harassment allegations, you have to understand that, no matter how much evidence that exists in favour of the victim, if it involves a famous person, there will always be people defending the accused.
Also, it's clear that they were not "consenting" adults. If somebody changes the topic when you're making sexual or flirty comments, that IS a clear sign of no consent. Additionally, you have to take into account the power dynamic. Just because you aren't being paid a wage, doesn't mean that what they had wasn't a working relationship. Volunteer work is still work. They were also fans of his, introducing yet another parasocial power imbalance.
It's not illegal per se, but just because something is legal doesn't automatically make it morally right. If this WERE a traditional workspace, he would almost certainly be fired for this. Comparatively, leaving a Minecraft server and getting to keep this incident off of his real life resume and records for a full-time job is a mere slap on the wrist. The way the Hermits have handled it is very fair, and I have not seen anyone legitimately calling for him to be "cancelled" or instigating a public witchhunt.
While it's fair to ask for more information, we the public aren't owed it. Even court cases aren't all made public. The Hermits have the information they need, and it IS being handled privately. The victims putting forward their personal statements is at their discretion, and it's not up to us to cast judgment.
Taking their right to remain silent and implying that it is intentional fabrication of facts ("blowing things out of proportion") to make iskall look bad is a very loaded claim that requires evidence from YOU to back up. Are you really ready to make such a challenge? You posted this video publicly, so you should have the evidence to back that up, right? I'm sure you don't actually want to do that, so please be careful about what you're saying. I've seen some of responses you made to criticisms of your video, and again while it is respectable to not jump to conclusions without evidence, some situations are just out of your control. The Hermits want us to respect and trust their decision, and making videos like this is stirring the pot and inviting discord to a situation that the Hermits have unanimously agreed on already.
i mean i said this all in my last video as well and got hate for it as viewers didnt believe that she was a victim. At the end of the day we won't really know what happened until we have the full picture. So theres no real conclusion which is creating confusion and divide in the community. If you look at my community post poll and comments on the previous video a lot of people believe that iskall did noting wrong, and I was simply reporting on what was said in my last video. Appreciate the time you took to comment this but I still believe that majority of what i said in this video and the last one are accurate to an extent. From what we have seen currently iskall didn't really do anything wrong
Like I said, there will Always Be people who defend people who sexually harass others. Of course you received comments from people who defended iskall or tried to convince you it’s all being exaggerated and “he did nothing wrong”.
This isn’t just isolated to this particular case. There exist a lot of further reading on sexual harassment cases and numerous amounts of research that reveal what it’s actually like for victims, and you’ll find that this is a very common problem. No matter how much evidence exists, some people just refuse to believe sexual harassment is real. For whatever reason, these people need it to follow some movie scripted template of what sexual harassment looks like (stalker creep man violently coming onto a young, innocent woman), when in reality sexual harassment often occurs in a very complicated, messy way. Did you know you are more likely to be harassed or assaulted by people you already know? That is a fact that already breaks the typical image of what “real” sa looks like. Yet it aligns pretty well with this situation; a fan and a follower, or a boss and staff in a digital workspace. So, think about those people’s responses to your original video and consider how their responses might be part of a larger pattern. How has your response to appeal to these people impacted the overall situation? I’m sure you don’t want to make life more difficult for real victims to safely express their experiences without facing ridicule and doubt. Do you think people promoting doubt in the Hermit’s decision and the potential victims might contribute to that kind of negative atmosphere?
Yes, we don’t have the full picture. But we DO have some statements (testimonies, if you will), AND the unanimous response from the Hermits. It’s hard to say exactly what happened, but it’s clear that the Hermits think this is wrong. The statements we DO have clearly outline the possibility of harassment. We don’t know how extreme it went, but we can make a conservative guess based on the evidence. And the conclusion that best aligns with the evidence isn’t to just doubt all the information coming in. That’s just as bad as accepting everything uncritically.
I appreciate you taking time to respond to these comments. I want to point out how this situation connects to SA cases at large, and how common it is for victims to receive negative backlash.
@@NotParallax even the little that was leaked makes him seem morally reprehensible imho. 'not illegal' doesn't mean it wasn't morally wrong.
It’s very hard to even be able to speak out about being sexually harassed in the first place. Having everyone’s eyes on you, people doubting you and saying maybe you “made it up.” Speaking up is a hard thing on itself so let’s not blame the girl who had the courage to actually speak up. From what I heard, there are multiple victims, and only she spoke up about it.
Sexual harassment can happen with adults too. Not just because she’s not a minor her allegations should be dismissed. It’s a very serious thing
@@acidicrain3104 yeah I know but if you’re gonna publicly accuse someone of sexual harassment you need to substantiate that claim w evidence
Take a look at the imallexx situation as an example
She showed proof of everything, photo evidence of chat logs, video footage calls etc. all we have for iskall is 2 adults flirting
@@NotParallaxwhat gives us the right to know everything. Iskal has every right to share his side. Instead he chose to voluntarily resign from Hermitcraft and his friends who have seen much more are choosing not to publicly associate with him any more. I am not trying to paint him as a monster but I don’t understand the rationale behind people like you feeling entitled to know everything. If this were a more serious case decided in a court of law would you react the same way. Saying that you need to know all evidence shared in the court room before making a decision if the judge and jury got it right. Yet when these things were shared with an appropriate set of people (the Hermits) and it was shared with Iskal, resulting in this outcome you demand to know more. This is a bad take for sure!
@@EatingMachine23 Because the person that came public about the situation came forward saying they were sexually harassed but didn't provide substantial proof of it.
If the matter was handled privately we didn't even need this document. Instead all it did was blow things out of proportion and create mass confusion. A lot of the evidence we have is adults flirting with each other. Yes cheating on your partner is bad (if they were dating at the time) but if you're going to come forward with an accusation, show substantial evidence.
Im interested in seeing Iskalls response to this whole ordeal.
We can't live in a world where someone makes an accusation, they come forward for support but don't provide any further context or refuse to...
@ you mean they did not provide substantial proof TO YOU. So the hermits saying that they have seen credible evidence is not enough tor you. You need all the juicy details too. As far as I understand it this person originally kept it all private and dealt with it internally with mutual friends and the hermits and has only since shared some of there perspective since it became public knowledge of him leaving Hermitcraft. You are defending someone who is not choosing to defend themselves. I am not trying to paint Iskall as a monster but if all there was was a bit of harmless flirting then it would be the easiest thing in the world to debunk. The notion that every detail needs to be exposed as she is lying until YOU see proof is not a great take. I agree that people should be careful about making unfounded accusations but further proof HAS been provided, just not to everyone. Would you be equally upset if this was a different more serious case and because the police did not share every detail with the public that the claimant is automatically lying. Someone better placed to review things (the hermits and the staff of his discord server) have reviewed them and chosen to support her accusations and cut ties with him. He has every opportunity to tell his side of the story, no one is silencing him.
@ we don’t know what happened, that’s the thing
There was no need at all for this document to be made. I believe I have played both sides of the situation here and made videos going over both perspectives.
If the matter was handled privately that should be how it is, most cases are handled that way.
I’m sure Iskall is working on something right now or he’s just got issues mentally and is working on himself which is why he hasn’t responded.
I will be honest I am not a super fan of the hermitcraft community or the creators (i used to watch mumbo when I was like 14-15)
however I have seen plenty of times where allegations like this spread and turn out to be false.
I’m not thinking you’re saying Iskall is a monster etc. but in my last video I said the exact same thing and I agreed with a lot of comments in the video correcting it.
The document shown comes off as attention seeky and we can’t really provide full support to them as they aren’t showing the full picture. This is what I was trying to say and believe I did however for some reason people are just immediately jumping to the gun that I’m blaming the victim. I’m not I’ll support victims if they actually show what happened (they don’t need to show every single message either, just proof of what the allegation was, rn it’s just 2 adults flirting creating mass confusion)
There’s still missing pieces to this situation too. We don’t know what exactly happened and it’s kinda weird seeing a group distance themselves from one of their long timefriends. Theres something more serious going on
But we don’t know that as no one’s coming forward with information and when iskall makes a response or Kass substantiates the claim I will definitely follow up anything with new information
I actually fully disagree that we need more evidence. If the person being harassed doesn’t want to share sensitive documents with the public, why the hell is she being pressured to do so? If the hermits already saw and decided that it was bad enough then I’m willing to trust them on that. I know it seems like stuff is being left out which there probably is, but the only reason people are pushing is because they’re just curious. I don’t think anybody actually cares that much, but if the victim doesn’t want to share private information, then leave her alone. If you’re having doubts about the current public information, then the hermits would have had them as well. If you were in her shoes would you want all your private things to be released if it looks like the issue has already been dealt with?
I agree with you that we don't need more evidence, because this never should have gone public. This is business between hermitcraft, Iskall and the 'victim,' not the Internet who does not have context. That being said, the reason it went public is due to the girl. I feel like this is a clear case of simply seeking attention.
@lukesherrill3420 boohoo your fav got called out. grow up
@@ticcitoasty When the "insult" is so bad, cringeworthy and out of place, that you don't even need to respond.
5:00 Come on we all know that content warnings are just as much effective at keeping kids from seeing stuff as an amber necklace is against ticks.
I think It was stupid for Kasszi to post about in the first place. If it was a private allegation that the public didn't need to know about then why post anything at all? Clearly they wanted the public to know some things about it, but only kind of releasing details and then making excuses for why more can't be shown just makes it look like stretching the truth. Not saying iskall is innocent but its not a good idea to backtrack on a public allegation.
Yeah exactly what I’m sayin
yeah this shit was dumb and just was something to ruin a big minecraft youtuber and it did
yall need to get over yourselves. this clearly helped other victims speak out and get support. stop sympathizing with scummy people who hurt others. he’s a grown ass man he knows what’s appropriate behavior and what isn’t.
I actually think that the steps taken have been entirely approppriate and proportional! Iskall85's behaviour was a bad choice. Call it a mistake, an error in judgement, whatever. It was the wrong thing to do and as such that should have consequences. The consequences in action are appropriate to those wrong doings.
Iskall utilised his public persona and reach to create personal situations which then became uncomfortable. A fair consequence is he should step back and limit that public reach. If he is doing harm (making people uncomofrtable in a persistent pattern) his access and ability to do so should be limited.
Hermitcraft is a corner of the internet that everyone involved has gone to great lengths to keep free from hard or heavy topics, sticking to optimistic and feel-good content. It is not their responsibility to tackle ALL issues of the world, and the goal they've stuck to is to simply create a space that no matter the world context people can come to and feel joy. No more no less. Misconduct and complaints of behaviour threaten that space. Therefore Iskall shouldn't have acess or ability to do harm to that space.
No one should be saying he should never return to content creation or that he should be 'cancelled' and slandered through the mud. He has behaved inappropriately. The response to that has directly correlated to how he has mis-stepped. Responses don't need to be and shouldn't be ALL or NOTHING: "He didn't do anything criminal therefore he has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be punished" or , "He did something that caused distress therefore he is evil". He acted poorly. His ability to do so again has been hindered. Enough said.
We definitely shouldn't be speculating that it is more or it is less until publicly told so, for many many reasons. Litigation can mean facts legally cannot be shared. A person who has been victimised OWES the public NOTHING. Iskall has shown a pattern to act inappropriately and now people have been forewarned for they're own sakes and well being. That's all we as the public are owed frankly.
I think the bottom line to how this reflects on Iskall should be that he has mishandled the effects his status and platform has when he behaves in, at best unwise - at worse harrassing and upsetting, ways. He is not a monster or evil. He's a guy. That did something wrong, and the scale he has means more observable corrections.
One of them reached out to him
Sure, victim doesnt owe public anything, but if you make accusations, you need to have evidence...
Also, what exactly did he do? Trying to flirt with a woman who gave him skype after he told her to go privately on skype? U troglodyte
3:49 This makes me quite angry, perhaps Kasszi didn't outright tell him to stop the advances, but the changing of subjects should have been clear enough, also theres a difference between flirting and sexual harrasment. He was being overtly sexual for someone who was apparently 'flirting'. As someone who used to watch plenty of his videos, the fact that you believe this to be 'blown of proportion' is ridiculous. Kasszi has every right to not reply to you pressing for information and quite frankly did not have to post the evidence that they did. The fact that they did is brave, the fact they gave other possible victims a place to come forward and feel safe is incredible. You can have your opinions but also have some empathy. Just because the victims weren't minors doesn't mean they aren't victims.
Ok so I don’t understand
Everyone in my last video said they weren’t victims and when I say that now they are??? I reported on allegations they were both consenting adults and they barely provided proof of sa if you’re mad about this video watch the first one
What he's trying to say is that the public doesn't have the whole story, and evidence is not being released for one of two reasons. 1: This whole thing is a lie and kass put Iskall in this position. We don't see many of the conversation starters, kass could have been pinning iskall in to frame him. 2: This whole thing is WAY worse than we've been led on to believe, and iskall and stress will disappear forever, and kass and everyone else will get their justice.
This. There clearly *was* communicated discomfort with his behaviour, if he sent "changing the subject i see" as a response to someone not engaging with sexual or flirty texts. He got the hint and chose to ignore it. ALSO, everyone is overlooking the fact that he engaged with people on SKYPE. Asking a person to use a third-party location is a huge red flag and aligns with the way online sexual harassment tends to play out.
@@NotParallax "i was not interested and he knew but he kept going anyways" very much means it was not consentual....
If you don't explicitly tell someone to stop, then you don't have any leg to stand on when accusing someone of harassment. Are you just going to completely forget that some people are genuinely too socially awkward or autistic to take "hints" on when someone is uncomfortable?
Any unwanted sexual comments or nude images is most definitely grounds for termination lol
@@redfrojoe2602 we don’t know what happened tho since they didn’t provide any substantial proof of what happened
The weirdest thing about this situation is that people are happy to cancel him from the information given. The hermits etc may know more so im not making a judgment on them.
The public have nothing other than flirting to go off. They wernt a paid employee, at this point they were friends and adults. Looks like a zero effort to communicate he discomfort being caused. Until i see anything to ACTUALLY incriminate the guy im not cancelling him.
Yeah exactly
100% said a similar thing bar for bar in the video lol
@NotParallax I appreciated the neutral tone you led with in your video. Very fact based and that's what this situation needs. 👌
“Let’s go to Skype”; “no”….. that’s a lot of headaches and ruined careers saved. *eye roll*
Pro tip: Don't be an unpaid discord mod for a Minecraft RUclipsr. Legit 💀
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So thats why u don't wanna be a Mod anymore huh xd
it blows my mind that people do that for free, for a smaller youtuber i could get it, but when they hit that gold button status you would think there could be some payment being made
4:57 No?? us the puplic have no right to demand any information about this, it should and will remain private, this doesnt concern us, it concerns strickly iskall, those involved and those who knew him, we do not know iskall
In my last video people said you shouldn’t cancel him over this information and now we shouldn’t know more? If you’re gonna ruin the reputation of a creator due to sexual harassment claims have them show the proof! Also, I said they were victims in my last video but the comments said they weren’t because they were both adults, now they are? There’s too many missing pieces to this situation and until we have more information iskalls innocent
We need innocent until proven guilty
@@NotParallax Resigning is not a move of an innocent.
The Hermits are really heavy on solving things through conversation. They conversed. I'm sure they conversed a lot about the situation.
@redstonaspt I literally said this in my last video as well
We won’t know the full story until the full picture is provided until then it’s allegations and not fact
"us the puplic have no right to demand any information about this" - maybe if you hadnt had negative IQ you would ask for evidence of shit you see on the internet if you want to make conclusions for it...
Tbh,its a shame, 2024 has utterly whacked our most favourite and loved creators with the allegations of being nsfw. And now it knocked on a hermits door. Im not defending him, just annoyed it had to be iskall.
I do trust Hermitcraft as there are several people who are very thoughtful. Take Xisuma for example. If some drama happens, he will consider both sides and he always looks for counter arguments to get a fair assessment of the situation. They all work closely together, and I'm sure they would want to give their friends the benefit of the doubt and defend them when people try to start drama and when the community is overreacting. However, the fact that Imp and Skizz removed their podcast, Groan removed references to him in the titles of his videos, and Mumbo removed Sahara merch is quite a strong statement of them. And the fact that Iskall chose to resign is also very strange if the allegations are blown out of proportion. What Iskall did is definitely more than some unwanted flirting.
I don't know the whole picture, so I will not attack Iskall for anything. But I also don't believe the hermits are overreacting
Oh yeah never said they were either, the hermits have the right to take whatever action they see fit to handle issues like this
My main issue is with Kassi coming forward despite the hermits saying that the matters private. Its just created mass confusion
After reviewing the documents in more detail, the only evidence we have is of 2 adults flirting with each other and not any form of sexual assault / harassment
With the self alleged victim saying they won't come forward with more evidence gives off the vibe they're attention seeking and not actually a victim
If Kass is a victim and wants full support from the community, the bare minimum is providing more substantial evidence
@@NotParallax I don't think we're owed any evidence. If she wants to keep some things private, that's her choice. If the hermits all wanted to kick out Iskall, that's also their choice. If Iskall is innocent, he can always come out and say so. But the idea that the public is owed evidence makes no sense.
being asked to change your opinion and told that your wrong for wanting the whole story to do that is just... Kasszi, bruh. Hermitcraft being silent is the sensical call, Kasszi airing laundry is messy.
Stress leaving isn't a surprise, she has followed Iskall like a lost puppy for a couple of years now, honestly I just assumed they were dating and trying to keep it low-key, since I don't bother with social media so didn't know what their personal situations were 🤷🏼♀️
I don't particularly like Iskall, I find him to be whiny and bitter over the fact that he lost a lot of subscribers when he became a part-time hermit after season 7 (to focus on vault hunters) but I'm never going to assume the worst of someone just because someone wrote up a public accusation and gives a weak reason not to disclose any facts.
If you want it to be a public accusation, you need to be willing to make the case completely transparent, if you don't want that, then deal with it completely privately.
I think there is certainly a lot of information that hasn't been made public, but I also hate the fact that the Internet immediately assumes the worst of men. I do trust the hermits to have made the correct decision for the group, and iskall's ego makes me believe he would be a flirt/cheat, but it's gross to just say he's guilty of everything just based on an allegation.
This right here. best comment ive seen
I don't think we should be the ones to judge without the full picture, and I think it is wise that this was all handled out of the public eye, this seems like it was done rationally.
Yeah we will never truly know tho it’s missing pieces which is what I was sayin in both my videos
We won’t truly know until we have substantial evidence
I agree, but you need to admit that it's a little frustrating how she won't give us the full picture. She went out of her way to involve the public by posting about it on her own, but when asked for further details, she just shuts down.
I hold the view that the Internet shouldn't have gotten involved at all.
It sems to me that this is all a bit stupid. Two adults online...not even IRL..., one flirting a bit too heavily. The other seemingly incapable of telling the other to, politely, eff off! Why drag Hermitcraft into it? Why make a big public scene about it? When did people lose the ability to effectively communicate *before* things get out of hand?... You know... someone makes an advance, you're not interested, so you tell the advancer in no uncertain terms that you're not interested... it's not rocket science! When I hear, "he was unsucessful. He left me alone for a few days and then tried again.", I'm asking myself, 'Why are you back for round 2... or round 3... whichever round it is??'
Unless Iskall85 is a complete psycho, I'd wager that his side of the story, should it ever see the light of day, is a story of someone who is socially awkward, muddling his way through misread signals, and over reacting to ill-percieved stimuli. Had anyone just told him to pull his head in, he'd probably would have been immensely embarrassed and overly appologetic. But no! We have this, 'I'm telling Hermitcraft!' BS, and now it's all but over for Iskall85 as a creator for the time being.
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@NevoBuildsStuff Every day in every city there's at least one woman telling a guy, "No!", or, giving a guy the cold shoulder, or not responding to a guy's advances in some way... who actually IS interested in said guy, but just wants him to pursue her a little harder. This female behaviour is as old as time. It doesn't mesh well with modern times when women can scream 'se*ual harassment' and immediately have an army of support behind her and ruin a guy's reputation in an instant. Maybe Iskall85 was out of line, maybe he was a bit creepy, but all that is completely subjective depending on the dynamics between the affected parties. If the story was, "I told him in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested," then fair play... I still wouldn't have gone running to Hermitcraft... rather I'd have just removed myself from his orbit. But that doesn't seem to be the story...she's continuing the platonic relationship knowing that he's got the hots for her, and all she's doing is 'changing the subject'...now apply the concept at the beginning of this post.
Like for real they're adults. They are managing this like they're children or something. It's not that deep. Just block the creep and move on like a normal person. Instead of being OOOO THIS MAN JUST SAID MY NAME I'M GONNA GO TO A CORNER AND CRY NOW 🥹😢😢😭😭😭😭 cringe.
THIS
@@RogerSnowOnline is this not satire
Eh. Iskall knew a couple people who already went through similar public stunt, including Dream, he most likely chose that fallout won't be worthwile for hermits to deal with. Self exile, almost self matridome (cope, seethe, iskallman done nothing wrong and flirting is not a hatecrime) also aligns with his recent creative process. Not to add him staying from most of the Life and extended content events that started recently. Iirc he wasn't even a part of Empires crossover event was he
This seems like the norm now, guilty before proven innocent. Too many times, I see something like this, where something minor is blown up completely out of proportion. People don't know how to handle themselves these days and end up ruining someone else's image or life. If you're not interested, tell them so and get away from them. Keep the private stuff private and move on. There's no need to have this kind of thing become public. There's no financial gain and there's no winners, just losers.
Kasszi didn't respond to you on twitter, because as she said on the document, she would not respond to people wanting more information, if the case wasn't that bad, he would not exit hermitcraft. I don't think anything should go public anyway, we always want to know things, but we don't really need to
He was already barely making Hermitcraft videos, favoring his own modpack. Honestly, I thought he was gonna leave before all this anyway.
@@Icerz. agreed, luckly it didn't make much difference anyway
I've seen others talk about it and so far it really seems to be more than him being a bit horny, Because sexting mutiple folk that work for you can go in horrible ways and it's important to remember that Power Dynamics exist, the people he had been sexting could have possibly been afraid of being demoted or hurt due to the fact that he had more power
But at this point it doesn't really matter - Hermicraft handled it Professionally, Iskall left HC on his own terms, And so far most of Iskalls fandom along with people outside of it don't really care
this is like a MUCH Lower Tier Mr. Beast situation where in the end, no matter what, he's still going to be okay in some shape or form and still have a fanbase that supports him
All we can do now is Separate Iskall from Hermitcraft snd those who wanna enjoy Iskalls content will more than likely continue doing so
Hermitcraft is a collective and not a legal entity as such. But they are also the most wholesome and PG collection of content creators out there.
The conversations Iskall had with the women(note the plural) kinda ruin that. Even though regular adults would kinda shrug at it, and say “yeah, he is being an awkward creep, but not more than many…” there *is* something to Hermits having a different moral standard. My dms(both send and received) would have eliminated me from Hermitcraft if leaked. And everything in those is very consensual. Harsh? Unfair? Maybe. But understandable. There is something important in Hermitcraft being a place, that parents can let their kids watch.
He wasn’t fired, he resigned.
Lol, riiighht.
lol u have negative iq
@@MacroAggressor- could be as it said it the release.
The hermits confronted Iskall. He could very be “this is a private matter from my personal life, I will not elaborate further.” The Hermits could have been “elaborate or leave…” and he could have been “fine! Then I’m leaving …”.
In such situations tensions are high.
@@macbody That could very well be the case (although I personally think the "corporate PR response" explanation to be more likely). I just find it ridiculous that so many people reflexively assume that the Hermits are being fair by default and that if they booted him he _MUST_ have done something _really_ evil.
@@MacroAggressor - The Hermits have to be very careful in addressing it. There was enough to take the matter up with Iskall, and during that discussion Iskall left. Hermitcraft, as a whole, has a lot of reach, to kids. They don't do controversy. They don't do non-pg. So any issues with dick-pics and online creepiness(even though not Dr. Disrespect level) is going to hit harder on that particular server.
Now - As for the "who said what when"? Who knows .... They are a very tight collective, spread out all over the world. With different cultural backgrounds. The "Iskall being creepy in dms to women" is hard to handle correctly.
I think it was very unwise of Kasszi_ to go public with anything surrounding this affair.
nah it got other victims to speak up and gain support aswell as show all of us this behavior isn’t acceptable and should not be tolerated if you ever end up in that position. why do you feel the need to silence victims? just bc ur fav guy got slammed this time?
@@ticcitoasty I thought it was unwise to go public with it because she was unable to publish enough of it to be irrefutably convincing, which led to a great deal of speculation beneficial to no one. I have no desire to silence victims, nor is or was Iskall my "fav guy", but all the evidence against him was already in the hands of the Hermits and his career was already finished.
It’s easy to say something’s not black and white or that he “isn’t being ‘cancelled’” but that’s really just not how the internet works unfortunately. His whole career revolves around his reputation and public outreach, and by extension those who were working on vault hunters. It’s better to just leave things than to meet 1/10 of the way and bury the lead into thinking the worst. At the very least mumbo had the decency to defend him from accusations of literally the worst possible allegation that has been true of so many other creators. Victims privacy should be protected, but at the same time you can’t expect people to not be sad about the complete uprooting of a beloved creator, community member, and whole community around him that they’ve become so connected to over many years, not to mention the development work done by his team over the years, most notably in recent years being vault hunters and it’s respective community. Relationships and a game, even one within Minecraft, they’ve emotionally and many monetarily invested in over the years is bound to have an effect on people when they go to shit. What may have just been poorly conceived and misread relations between adults that for most would be summed up as a shameful lack of judgement or respect and maybe being viewed as a dick to those informed has become the death of a reputation, career, relationships, content, and a community, and it’s unreasonable to be surprised at those who don’t accept the worst case immediately or are curious for justification even if they aren’t entitled to it. Baiting them with “less than 1/10” of the evidence just isn’t a well conceived move to make, and isn’t overly fair to them or him even if it was well intentioned, though this criticism isn’t met with any serious consideration or compassion other than “f you, you’re not entitled to know.”
I would argue that it is very fair to him. If what has not been shared is much worse then they have spared him the public humiliation of that being revealed. If there really isn’t anything else it would be easy for him to refute it and explain as at worst a lapse in judgement.
@@EatingMachine23 you writing this message just proves my point about people assuming its way worse
public allegations, private settlement? that's a hell of way to ruin someone's reputation
Yea exactly. Either all out or all private. Obv the Hermits would want to protect their brand so either way it would have happened that he left but saying yea he is this and that and I have sent the whole story where it needs to go just doesnt work here. For all we know this could all be BS or blown out of proportion but the hermits need to protect their brand as its catered to kids and they cant take the risk of what if its fake. But it might have something legal involved so for now it is what it is. Iskall not saying anything as well leads me to think that. Gotta wait and see but will be highly dissapointed if this is all we get as the viewers.
The "settlement" is fully public. When confronted by the hermits he decided to resign from hermitcraft. That's it and that's all. We don't need to know every little detail of what he did for any reason than you wanting drama to leech off of.
@@Zinz778 That's not really what matters, we know he resigned, he has his reasons, now we want to know if he's actually a sexual predator or if she's just blowing this out of proportion to get people to turn on him
@konigaminggr So you want more allegations.. hypocrite. You have negative right to that.
@@Zinz778 i think you're just getting pissy honestly, everybody has the right to argue on the internet, not everyone should use it,
but to answer your point, no, what i mean with this entire comment is, either the hermitcraft account posts "iskall has resigned, and we will keep this private" and the person doesnt post anything, or said person posts the entire logs, iskall would have likely resigned either way, it's just that we don't know if he's actually a deplorable human being, or a guy who doesn't understand boundaries and is just ashamed of it so he decided to stay quiet.
Don't mistake this comment as defending iskall.
The screenshots could be fake or taken out of context. Kass also claims more than what they showed evidence for.
The allegations COULD be true. And you could see iskall's resignment and lack of acknowledgement as admittance of guilt.
BUT, he could simply just be staying quiet for legal reasons. Many content creators that have had false allegations against them and persued legal actions have said that the first thing the lawyer advises them to do is go silent on social media. They're told not to fight the allegations until the case is settled legally, as it could dig a deeper hole for them.
Either of these scenarios could be true so its best not to take a stance either way until we know a LOT more information.
Yeah exactly I was just reporting on what we know
Nothing in this video is reported fact and are just allegations
just here to say, kass did say in her document that she didn't want to show the more serious and sexual ones in case of the minors reading it !
@@broski7792 There's no "stance" to be taken, we're not part of some jury. The authority in this case are the hermits, they are the ONLY people in position to say they require ANY information.
As far as iskall resigning, from what little we know, to me, it sounds like iskall believes he is innocent and had supposed friends come to him with allegations instead of questions and trust. He's been apart of HC a loooong time and id say had decent relationships with most hermits. Who even came to him with those complaints? We don't know and that suggested to me that iskall is just pissed about the whole situation, along with his good friend stress, who was more apart of vault hunters than HC at this point similar to iskall. Probably been a long time coming
if iskall isnt guilty, he should prove so in a long awaited response!
If he makes a response I’ll go over it in a video
For now tho it seems as he’s just really bad at managing social media in general
Until we have more info we can’t really jump to conclusions
No person ever has to provide incontrovertible evidence of their harassment to the public. They need to provide that evidence to those capable of acting on it, which happened in this circumstance. What happened in this person's personal life is none of our business, and if they don't want to relive it by sharing it then that's ok and people like you need to respect that. If the evidence was strong enough for the Hermits to act, and for Iskall to shut himself away, we can make a safe assumption that the situation was pretty gross. Things don't have to be illegal for you to find them upsetting. People don't have to outright tell you they're not interested. If they never engage with your flirting, if they never reciprocate, if they keep changing the subject then you can pretty easily figure it out
They can’t just publicly accuse a creator of sexual assault and not provide substantial proof of it
Look at the recent allegations surrounding imallexx as an example
Substantial proof was shown and we were able to jump to conclusions at them being a horrible person who don’t deserve a platform
This isn’t just a small report, this can seriously mess with people’s livelihoods and reputations. We don’t know what happened and until we have the full picture we can’t provide full support.
They clearly want some sort of attention as they posted the document under a tweet confirming they were a self described victim and only provided messages of flirtatious behaviour between 2 adults.
This whole thing is blown out of proportion as well. In my last video people said “we need more substantial evidence he did nothing wrong” but in this video it’s “they’re victims they don’t need to share anything” 💀
In my opinion, if Kass wants proper support from the whole minecraft community and hermitcraft, she needs to show more substantial evidence / photo proof. The hermits have taken action sure but not saying anything only creates even more mass confusion.
@NotParallax again, except that that's not what happened. The person involved didn't do that. They went to the Hermits, they all reached a conclusion behind closed doors, and people like YOU are FORCING it to be public
They made an accusation in private, about transgressions suffered in private, and morons have no right to make it public or make demands of the situation
You have to provide evidence of your accusations, no matter what your accusations are... See public backlash that is out of it, without fucking evidence available? Ofcourse hermitcraft wanted to get rid of it asap...
@DodoLP no, you don't. It's not the legal standard in any country with common sense and it shouldn't be the social standard. People don't get to harass you in private and then force you to relive that discomfort in public. The people who matter were informed and that's enough. If it wasn't serious then HC and VH would have gone to bat for Iskall instead of letting him withdraw
@@jamesleuthauser9336 the public should know what happened if someone is publicly coming forward with a claim saying a creator sexually harassed them. You need to substantiate claims like this
This video implies that the world in entitled to a victim's full report, which, I'm sorry, but we are not. She did the correct thing by showing the evidence to the correct people, if you decide to not believe the victim based on their word and on the action of a big group of people who have seen the evidence, it's not up to the victim to prove themselves times and times again. Don't blame the victim. People in situation of power should not use their power to creep on others. Even if there's nothing more to that, this fact should not y be normalised, which it sadly is in everyday life. Kassy spoke up as being someone who denounced the behaviour. It's a good thing. They say they have more evidence, the Internet should stop and think before asking to see them; you're just being voyeuristic. The genius seemed the evidence enough to remove an old member from the server and I'm sure that decision wasn't made lightly.
Tl;dr: stop victim blaming, and stop trying to be voyeuristic. Abuse of peer for sexual advances should not be normalised
Yeah but if she spoke to the people of hermitcraft and they came to a conclusion, why come forward to the public with a document that barely provides proof of anything happening?
All we have is 2 adults flirting with each other
FYI this video isn’t victim blaming at all it’s simply saying we can’t support fully till we have all the evidence and substantial proof of what happened
Based on the proof we have a lot of people don’t think iskall did anything wrong
I’m also a believer in innocent before guilty, we should never provide full support to victims unless we have substantial evidence of what happened or the other party admits to doing so.
Iskall hasn’t even come forward with a response yet
@NotParallax because it's important to show that a person can come forward with these kinds of allegations. She doesn't owe you anything more
@@froggybangbang the allegations she came forward with were 2 people flirting with each other though there isn’t any substantial proof of harassment at all 💀
She doesn’t owe me anything at all she owes iskalls supporters further proof of what happened as she went public with a claim of sexual harassment but didn’t substantially prove it at all and is now using pastebin texts of anonymous alleged victims who look like they consented and agreed to everything 💀 you can’t accuse someone of a crime and not substantiate the evidence with proof
@@NotParallax This isn't a courtroom, or even the Jerry Springer Show -- she doesn't "owe" anyone anything, whether they are "Iskall's supporters" or not.
A large company I once worked at fired our manager for misconduct with a female coworker -- and that's literally all any of us were ever told... no names, no details, no nothing. Because it was none of our business. The people involved were interviewed by the company and a decision was made from there -- which is exactly what's happening with Iskall... the people involved were interviewed by Hermitcraft and a decision was made (reportedly by Iskall himself) from there. Anything beyond that is none of our business.
I think it was blown out of proportion. If it was only two adults. The one affected could have just quit and gone away privately. Rather than making a scene out of it.
So you believe victims should be the ones to go away quietly?
@@Sarcastic_Cow calling them victims is such a crazy stretch. lol stop it. get some help
@@Sarcastic_Cow THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS.
@@Sarcastic_Cow She was an UNPAYED mod. She literally had nothing to lose, and was not under any financial coercion to do what he *may* have told her.
also in the official iskall discord it was announced that: "Unfortunately we don't have any information beyond what is already public."
5:57 nope Kas wasn't the only victim which is why Hermits and VH team took the decision
please do proper research before making such statements
@@itsmilan4069the only victim that has come forward publicly was Kass
The other victims just sent through statements in a pastebin which I went over in my last video
There’s too much info missing from this story before jumping to any conclusions
STRESS was literally his door to door neighbor and they have a big project together. That's why she resigned. And it's obvious that EVERYBODY distanced themselves because they do content for mainly children and that's a serious allegations.
Putting a lot of pressure on the victim. Frankly this. You don’t deserve to know this information. Everything that has been disclosed has been. Leave it off and quit stirring. It sucks to see this has happened but instead of going after someone who has stated they’ve been victimized and dealing with their grief on this, leave it allow and live your own life.
What you’re doing is creating an environment that makes people feel less safe for coming out about situations of this nature by publicly questioning.
I say this as someone who watched loads of Iskall’s content. And I am moving on. There are more wholesome and better things to do.
@@Zak_Katchem the problem is they say they were victimised but didn’t substantiate it in the document
I’m all for supporting victims if they show proof of what’s happened
Can’t jump to any conclusions
@ You’ve missed the message. Others have received what they need to have severed ties. You aren’t owed access to this. Just because we been given a window into this doesn’t mean we get to be invited into the house.
@@NotParallaxdude your being entitled and a tab bit of a creep we do r/tellofkevin and r/niceguy post about
The old there’s real evidence trust me bro because I’m not showing it trick. And the if he doesn’t respond or spend thousands of dollars to launch a lawsuit on someone that probably lives in a different legal jurisdiction it’s true. Just shows me this person isn’t very bright.
Honestly, I did some rethinking and while I 100% think what Iskall did was probably bad enough to get him kicked out, I do think we might be overestimating
It seems that when presented with the evidence, the Hermits did not consider it important enough for immediate action and first asked Iskall
Then, Iskall himself chose to resign and seemingly wasn't pressured. There could be a lot of reasons for resignation for something not that bad - it's the simpler, safer, and more private option then going dragging himself through a court of public opinion and having to show his history. Iskall might have also considered that resigning is safer for the overall image of Hermitcraft.
And it seems to be over - the members didn't do anything more, and everyone seems to consider the case settled.
I think the moderators probably felt uncomfortable with Iskall's advances, reported it to the members, and Iskall decided to resign
that is what happened
My issue is if the matter was handled privately we didnt need this document from Kass, they wanted support from the community for allegations of sexual harrasment but came forward with adults flirting with each other
thats my main issue with the situation
There definitely has to be a missing piece here especially without iskall saying something about the situation
i was never a fan of iskall i found him annoying but my god do i hate this just believe me im a victim crap that has taken root in society im sorry im not shunning someone without hard evidence so i dont believe the "victims" are their adults and this was online the block button exists show real evidence of true wrong doing or stay silent dont do some halfass middle saying but you have to believe me nope and i wont
The Presumption of Guilt without sufficient reliable evidence is a very common thing in the all too vocal courts of public opinion and is a view particularly prevalent in communities predominantly of younger generations or vocal minorities. It persists even though individually many members would express opposition to the concept, realising the inherent danger to society in allowing it. This phenomenon is not isolated to this type of issue and is found in many many different issues affecting the western world; encompassing the criminal, political, civic, and environmental facets of society. This departure from the established Innocent until proven guilty is a concerning development. Even though attempt is made to avoid it, it does have an effect on the actual legal and judicial systems and the impartiality of such systems. It is in no small part due to the rise in social media influence and global connectedness. It is something that as a global society we must work on. If we do not, we will likely find ourselves in a very toxic, hostile, and non-enjoyable world.
This entire situation has been wildly mishandled and has turned into a shitshow for everyone involved.
@@CineFan911 on god
I had no idea of any of this. I loved watching his hermitcraft videos and got sad on each hiatus but I guess it makes more sense now. Sad situation
Why would they continue talking to iskall is they were being sexually harassed. It's not like they were working for iskall or some shit if you're doing some free work for someone you have the right to be angry why not on the first time they were said those things report him immediately. And it seems like all those conversations are one sided we only see iskalls sexual advancements how about their comments to what iskall have said? Why are they afraid to show the full story if they were on the right?. The evidence only shows what benefits the victims and not how they responded that made Iskall said those things why did iskall kept on continuing if they told iskall to fuck off immediately. Why would you hide it show it inform the younger audience about it. If you are really a victim then you have nothing to be afraid for. The victim literally said source = trust me bro
First off the thumbnail is extremely clickbaity so you are not getting a like my dude. The girl saying that she has given us only 1/10th and that theres so much more is not enough to say anything and especially not "it gets worse".
With that out of the way theres is no way to judge anyone in this situation. Literally nothing too out of the ordinary has been presented as of yet. Yea sure Iskall making advances like that while he allegedly has a live in partner or however they put it is not a good look for sure. No one can disagree on that. And as someone that sees cheating as the ultimate betrayal myself, Im really dissapointed in Iskall. But that being said if we really have only less than 1/10th of the picture from HER side theres really nothing to say here. We dont have his side either so no I aint judging no one yet.
As for the Hermits and why he resigned. Hermitcraft is a brand and one that is revolved around kids for the most part. Obivously they wouldn't want to burden kids with drama like this. They just wanna keep it on the down low and sweep it under the rug as fast as possible. Imo Iskall did this for their sake as to not tarnish the brand that they all worked so hard to build up. At the end of the day all of them were his close friends. This whole situation doesnt make Iskall some evil person out of the blue and Im sure he still cares about them and I think he left out of respect for them so they can continue their lives as normal at least on camera. Yea maybe thats not the case but for now and with the extremely limitied and vague and one sided explanation given to us this is what I see as most likely to have happened.
And about Stress - False already said she is not involved in this which I think might not be true but this is all we have for now. All in all there is no winners here, its a lose lose situation for everyone involved. Again im not here to defend anyone but Im not okay with people being canclled left and right. I have seen cases where people were falsly accused by dozens of fake victims and other bigger than them creators and this is not okay. Innocent until proven guilty. Remember that. Now we just gotta let things unfold.
That’s what I said in the video 😭 I was reporting on the allegations and correcting any info from my previous video
> accidentally shares misleading information
> owns up to it and creates video updating the audience with new information
this why parallax the goat of minecraft commentary❤️
@@InternetAnarchist inspired by the goat fr 🙏
Bot ass comment. Dont praise the bare minimum
I'm kind of disgusted that this much pressuring and vitriol is being directed toward a survivor of sexual harassment. Clearly the victim believes it was seriously inappropriate, the Hermits believe it was seriously inappropriate, iskall himself believes it was seriously inappropriate, and if it was happening to me, I'd believe it was seriously inappropriate. A healthy skepticism can be a good thing, but please stop putting pressure on women to prove they were "actually" sexually harassed and weren't just "overreacting."
It's kind of amusing how hypocritical this is, "A healthy skeptism." The public had only been skeptical.
If you make public accusations of something, you should publicly provide evidence of it, lol. Troglodyte negative iq
At this point we are just milking him for content Jesus guys
A person just messed around with multiple people
Yes that is not moral but not something most people haven't done in their lives.
Plus honestly most of the trouble comes from a language barrier
It’s weird of Iskall to say those things. But I feel like Kasszi blew it out of proportion
i still have 80% trust in iskall since there is no evidence that she said dont flirt to me or anything like that secound we cant trust the document itself completly so far its i say and thats all also if iskall hasnt answered anything yet it could mean many things one of witch he could be looking at what the allegations are and how to not dig yourself a hole because legally speaking a single sentence could make you seem completly guilty
Although it was blown out of proportion slightly, I still think it's not right on Iskall's part for being sexual towards his discord mods.
Yeah exactly but they need to show some kinda proof showing that! Or else the public can’t really support them fully
@@NotParallax I agree they should, hermitcraft deserves to give an official statement on the matter too
I think the best thing for Iskall is to just keep quiet. He is likely already in discussions with a lawyer.
To me flirting with an adult is normal behavior... If you are not comfortable with the situation then you need to ether get out of the situation or make it clear that you are not comfortable with the situation.
This almost sounds like a catfish situation. And remember that a person is in control of the information that is shown. So we are getting a single side of the whole story.
@@answeris4217 yeah that’s what I’m saying we don’t know where Iskall is at the moment and we haven’t gotten his side
Evidence doesn’t substantiate the claim and iskalls probably working on it
This changes nothing and I still view this as Iskall being canceled. Grown adults need to be mindful holy shit.
It never changed anything. This has been the reality since the allegations came out. For someone who has so little context and evidence on the situation, you really think it's important to convict immediately.
@lukesherrill3420 You are wrong. But more importantly you are intelectually immature and a failure of morality.
you must be new to the internet, people will find any way to get someone cancelled regardless.
if you understand it is creepy and a powertrip but you still think iskall shouldnt step down, you are only considering the losses of iskall and not that of the victim. They are a victim, all workplaces, regardless of being paid or not (unpaid interns) all hold the same rights. Those rights are very clear about the appropriate behaviour of company leads to staff in a lower position. Why? Because we are well aware of what the power position holds when it comes to expressing rejection from the lower party. The victim usually loses faith by the clients (exactly what your video is doing and others), they are often let go, forced out or made to feel unwelcome in their workplace. For what? Because someone liked you and they had more pull power in the business?
Even if it's your own company, creating a workplace that will suit the needs of 1 individual over the rest of the employees will undoubtedly end yourself in a lawsuit. Iskall stepping down is the right thing to do, that victim had the courage to express their experience in an unfair dynamic against a very powerful online individual. Iskall loses his job, the victim gets attacked by half the audience for doing literally nothing but saying they were made uncomfortable by their boss (yes, mod or not, iskall is their boss in this situation and likely should be paying them).
Running a company and taking in thousands/millions, you forgoe your romantic wants with staff because you should know that fundamentally it is an incredible dangerous, unfair, and possibly illegitimate. The pressure to suggest the victim should have declined iskall's advances is innapropriate based off the fundamental situation iskall put that individual in without their consent. When you lead people and a business, you reap a lot of benefits, you do not get to then exploit your situation further for personal gain, that is usually illegal.
The issue is that its not in relation to their company or work. Kass wasn't a paid employee or under a contract or a freelancer.
She was another adult talking with an adult that made minecraft videos. She was a volunteer who wanted to help iskall. There is a difference. She could have left at any point in time, told iskall they didn't want to be there anymore or settled the matter privately. Like when Iskall offered to go onto Skype she could have said no.
This isnt a case of work place sexual harassment. The document only provides evidence of a creator and a fan flirting with each other (they are both adults)
Whilst it was the immature thing for iskall to do. It isn't sexual harassment which is what the document claims to have happened. There isn't substantial proof of this happening and my issue is with Kass coming forward with the document wanting support, however they dont substantiate the claim.
There's probably something more serious that happened behind the scenes, but we don't know that for sure as we have no information.
This has made the situation more polarizing
@@NotParallax It actually is classified as SA depending where in the world you live (by employment law some countries still include unpaid volunteers [BELIEVE IT OR NOT PEOPLE BEING PERSUEDED/EXPLOITED TO WORK FOR FREE IS SOMETIMES PROTECTED BY LAW] There is likely already been some cases mentioning discord and moderators in adjacent fields) Keep in mind, it's not about you and your opinion of what is deemed harassment, it is a power dynamic (CEO>Volunteer) that would be littered with case law to point to for the volunteer. It is bad and unethical - Whether iskall had thought about his actions or not, communicated clearly, initiation of flirting or even accepting it from his position is considered unethical by law in lots of countries.
@@NotParallax furthermore - Please look at the statistics of men's violance/harrassment against women/children/people and themselves. Look at quotes from Police leaders of Domestic violence taskforces, online stalking, etc. Tell me you can ignore iskall's reputation at the same time you can acknowledge the absolute fear that men's violence against people could potentially create.
You cannot provide Hindsight to a situation with a simple answer and assume enthusiastic consent was there in a clear (you said it) CEO>Volunteer dynamic.
Feed into this story by casting doubt based on perhaps a
@@Mortjf they’re a discord mod that chose to be there it’s not a work position at all
She could have chosen to leave at anytime and we don’t have further context on what happened
doesnt get worse, just, like, way more sad.
I agree, thankfully it's not bad currently just at the level of flirting with adult women. thankfully they weren't minors.
So he cross the line, using his online persona. He could have used his real name, but he didn't he used the one associated with HermitCraft. And when his friends asked him why. He chose not to answer then simply walk away. All the people involve decided to be grown ups and keep it to themselves which is good thing. And it's there right to do so, action has been taken. And as far as the general public is concerned that will be the end of it
I wouldn't consider, "all the people involved decided to be grown ups and keep it to themselves" to be a true statement. The girl posted very specific photos online, and claimed to the world that she became a "victim of sexual harassment." If she wasn't looking for attention, she could have dealt with this all through private channels, and the world wouldn't have to know anything other than Iskall and Stress are leaving hermitcraft.
this video is strange, very victim blamey
@@sandycoin I just wanted to clarify I didnt intend to come off as victim blamey, I simply was stating that if you’re gonna come forward publicly with allegations as serious as sexual assault you should come forward with substantial proof of the allegation so the community can provide full support
Not doing so sets a dangerous precedent as anyone could come forward
Make a text document and cancel a creator for stuff they just didn’t do
Im still confused.... his flirting and making advances on multiple people isn't wrong . And if they didn't out right tell him they weren't interested, he could have taken it as them being shy for changing the subject. Also, him backing out isn't a sign of guilt.... he could have been thinking that it was better to get out of the public eye, because even if you're innocent, being accused of things like this doesn't look good on a person and it's very hard to fight allegations. Obviously, i don't know what happened because i wasn't there, but without absolute proof, nobody can say if he is guilty. Unfortunately, it sounds like they didn't like that he was seeing multiple people and decided to go after his reputation . To me, at least . And with that being said, we all have our opinions on what happened and no the solid evidence of anything bad actually happening. Only time will tell if they will actually let us know if he did anything or not.
She literally gave him skype, i believe the exact phrase was "to chat privately" lol
She could also be blowing it out of proportion a bit.
We don't have full context to know what actually happened, and so we should save our opinions about it until we do have that information.
But the Hermits allegedly do Have that information and that is why thigs happened like they did. Its a matter of if we trust their judgement, which i do.
Even if she was making this up, or editing screenshots, this kinds of things get you in trouble fast anyway.
the decision of resigning to protect the server from this was the best he could do, in either situation.
@@Gaston-Melchiori yeah it’s just we don’t know
I trust that the hermits have done the right thing I’m just disappointed in Kass for making a private matter public and not providing more evidence
Videos like this are probably exactly why they haven't shared anything else. This is not respectful to victims of sexual harassment and this is not helpful to the Hermitcraft community.
3:15 he is guilty, source: trust me bro. How do you publicly paint someone a criminal and then refuse to submit any real evidence while also expecting people to just blindly accept and follow it.
He said he sent proof to the hermits, who gave iskall the option to explain himself or resign and he choose to resign. Kasszi has evidence he just chooses not to PUBLICLY share it. The hermits won’t kick someone out without proof please use half your brain and think
@ the hermit’s won’t kick someone out without proof? Do you know them personally? Im not saying the hermits are wrong and im not saying iskall is right either but we also shouldn’t blindly trust anyone especially strangers we don’t personally know on the internet.
@ mate either u don’t know anything about hermit craft or ur straight trolling. 2 things, firstly they didn’t kick him they gave him 2 options; explain his side or resign and he chose to resign, secondly everything is done by unanimous decision so all the members had to agree.
@@MarjinsTech and also relax on the passive aggressive insult its not that serious, in the end these are all just theories and no one really knows what actually happened apparent from those involved.
@ it’s not passive aggressive it’s the truth either understand it or go back to school (that was passive aggressive btw)
this is my last video on iskall, correcting the errors on my last video
If further information comes out I will cover it, for now this is it.
Got some exciting plans for 2025, and a end of year video
For now this is it, thank you for watching, liking, subscribing, commenting :)
You are missing one big, big point: Responsibility. Iskall, a famous person, the public looks up to, has a duty of care. Yes, it still is a bad thing to do if you are not famous, but if you are famous and use the fact that people look up to you against them (ie. people will tolerate much more bs from you because they dont want to be disliked by their idol), you are a bad person, full stop. Considering how many people cut ties with him, and all the different accounts, I'd say the allegations do have weight.
@@codingjawa5180 They do, but too many people are 'in love with' him, so even then he'll probably just end up with a dent or 2
@@codingjawa5180 People are rabid nowadays, that's the problem with that. Have you seen what tiny things people cut others out for? And what happened to "this person is struggling with a temptation, I need to be there and help him out"? Isolation from friends will only make Iskall's struggles harder for him to overcome.
@HumanoidDerpling Iskall is 38. Thirty-eight! He is producing youtube content for 18 years now. A creator with that much seniority, at that age, should be very well aware of the implications of his popularity AND should be quite sufficiently able to control his impulses.
To have someone produce content which is mainly watched by a young and impressionable audience behave like Iskall did is an absolute no-go. He can be helped, privately, but not enabled. Having him frequent the HC / VH Servers, especially after what came out, would be a slap in the face to those he affected with his behaviour, as well as an invitation to continue with impunity.
That people refuse to work with him anymore is just a natural consequence of his own actions and I bet he knows this. His behaviour would be forgivable if the space he is working in wasnt full of young, vulnerable people. He will have to work a lot in order to get his reputation to a level where ppl trust him with that space again. If that is even possible.
@@codingjawa5180 and what exactly did come out? For the moment the only things that are known is that he (an adult) flirted with some other people (adults) in private (up until they themselves published parts of that). The last part is the most puzzling: if you think that 'famous' person should not show that kind of behavior why post it in the first place?
Honestly, if the rest of my relationship with a group would be nothing but hatred, and my life would be effectively ruined, id probably resign too
If it were bad enough, id probably "resign permanently from the corporation of life" too
People are evil, especially the ones who claim to be faultless and effectively the arbiers of truth, without accountability... including the ones that are "uncriticizable" especially
idk how to feel about this. this video was good and thanks for correcting your mistakes. now, this situation is not harrasment as i see. there didn’t look to be any sign of the word stop, which kinda means he had no idea it was wrong. i understand it might be hard to do that, but unless you do, the person will continue to make advances on you. if you tell them to stop, but they don’t stop, then that’s harrasment, but that might not be what we’re dealing with. he resigned from hermitcraft and is silent maybe not because he’s guilty, but because there’s a legal battle behind the scenes. the hermits removing him from thumbnails and stuff (like as in people are bluffing and that’s not happening, cause I’m pretty sure it’s not) and he wasn’t kicked out of hermitcraft, he resigned possibly not because he was a terrible person but just because it sets a bad example to the other hermits familily friendly stuff, which is understandable. main thing, i think he’s not guilty of anything really really bad, just something bad.
They don’t owe us anything!! Just because you want proof and XYZ doesn’t mean they have to give us that. This was a personal private matter. He hurt multiple people and manipulated them. They’ve given us enough proof. Even though they didn’t need to. I get it, we all loved him. But not everyone is who we think they are. Also, to say that she blew it out of proportion is absolutely outrageous. How would you feel if you were the victim of something and just because you came forward people were telling you that same exact line? Not only is it heartless, but it’s also selfish to expect people to give us information that they are not ready to share. It was bad enough that Iskall didn’t even attempt to defend himself. He would rather throw away his career and resign. People feeling like they are owed something in this situation is pissing me off. The only people who are owed anything are the victims. They deserve an apology at the bare minimum. Not for everyone to jump onboard making things worse. If you’ve never been a victim of anything, then you just need to keep your mouth shut because you will never understand what it feels like. Or how hard it was to even come forth. I can only hope the victims can move forward and find some level of peace with everything moving forward.
@@elizabethleann7809 read my community post
They don’t owe us anything
However because the allegations are serious and Kass came forward with the matter, not articulating it well. It’s created mass confusion and left open room for speculation
They haven’t given enough proof at all, they have only shown friendly messages between 2 adults, no advances at all.
If this was a personal private matter it should have been handled that way
The documents blown it out of proportion
5:43 what are you even saying here? They DID confront Iskall privately? That's why he resigned from the hermitcraft server before releasing any information? Hell we were informed that Iskall chose to resign after being confronted PRIVATELY before any information on WHY he resigned became public
with the information from multiple people being brought to light (since you are currently only focusing on the one story, there are also more) it is quite clear it's at the very least sexual harassment, with connotations of being outright predatory
Ok so in my last video people say they need proof and in this video you say we don’t need proof? If you’re gonna publicly accuse someone of sexual harassment and want 100% of the public’s support you should show 100% of the story rn all it really shows is flirty messages which was the criticism in my last video
@@NotParallax if by flirting between adults is one person being very pushy with it and the other person is trying to avoid it and turn it down, then yes that is what it shows
the public is not owed a full explanation of the events, especially after the victims have said they feel uncomfortable sharing that information to the public at the moment
I'm not saying proof isn't required, however there is proof and the people who have needed to see it has seen it. Hence why other hermits got involved and privately confronted Iskall, and also why multiple people have left the vault hunters dev team.
You are demanding evidence from the victims of a relatively recent toxic event in their private lives, after they have said they will not be disclosing that information as of yet, and you have little to no authority or reason to actually have that information.
I understand wanting to know more of the story of the harassment and emotional abuse (see Mefalit's story on this, it was also released the same day but afaik you haven't even really talked about it) but you have no right to that information, and neither does anyone else. I trust the people who have been given the evidence, and handled it rationally by first privately confronting them about it, and then Iskall made the decision for them without even defending himself against it.
Tell me, if this was a physical case of abuse and rape would you then also demand to see the videos and photos of it happening?
Just because everyone in this case are adults that does not mean any of it was okay or justifiable.
If Iskall really was innocent in this, genuinely why did he not talk it through with his (at the time) friends? Why would multiple people decide to fabricate this whole story about this one seemingly wholesome guy and get him kicked from a minecraft server and lose part of his own development team?
And before you go on to read Mefalit's story and reply back to me saying that she's an adult and that she consented to the whole thing, please also then read what "emotional manipulation" and "taking advantage of" means.
@ I literally said this in my last video too but apparently people need more evidence
I say that now, people don’t need evidence. If you want 100% support from the community show 100% of the evidence of. Doesn’t mean show videos of rape / nudes. Show proof of him harassing you. At the moment all it looks like is flirting between 2 adults. That’s what the situation is
I used to love Iskall. I had no idea about this
I'm very much on the fence! Ok, so iskall is a womanizer. We've confirmed that. This is something that leaves a bad taste in your mouth but ultimately will never effect any of us fans or his coworkers. I like iskalls content! I watch his VH VODs too. He has a fun personality, which is why he's able to pull this off lol.
Do I think he needs to be assaulted online this much, no.
Should he leave hermitcraft? Well, he's mentioned not being excited to play on there many times in streams so, yes.
Should he hand VH over the hellfire? Absolutely not! He has created a great game and what he does in his personal life doesn't effect that.
I hope his dream of making a stand alone game happens!
It seems insane to me that human beings can't be human beings if they are in the public eye. If the recipient didn't like the flirting , advances toward them they should be an adult about it and let the person know up front. Ofc we don't have all the information but this sounds like a classic case of someone being overtly flirtsy probably very sexual but from what we have, it seems they weren't really asked to stop. Iskall in this case probably didn't read the signs and kept going being lead on by the idea something could come of the flirting and not an outright statement that the recipient was not interested. Now the community seems split on it but Hermitcraft doing what they did really paint Iskall in a bad way given the actions taken.
Not to play defense for a sitch i know nothing about as a random person in the pool of views like I'm sure most if not everyone else here is, however imo this reads very blown up , misunderstanding, or simply not the majority's "cup of tea" say if Iskall was being overtly sexual , some people are into that and some people are not. I'd agree he was out of line if there was any sort of documentation showing he was seriously asked to stop or the recipient stated they were not interested in a romantic/sexual relationship. The response to all of this seems way over the top either way unless it's proven repeat behavior.
0:08 hey that’s me
Edit: after watching the video I still agree and I feel like he hasn’t done anything wrong, I don’t see where the sexual allegations are coming from. I mean he’s an adult, yes his flirting was creepy and that’s a red flag but it doesn’t go farther then that, so to put these kinda allegations out there in the public you need to put out the proof with it, without the proof you can’t expect their whole community to turn against them imo
This guy gets it.
what exactly did he do? Trying to flirt with a woman who gave him skype after he told her to go privately on skype?
Now we know about iskall,
his obsession with bumbos makes total sense.
I don't get why they didn't just ask him to stop instead of trying to cancel him. Yknow, like a normal guy would.
@@finnodile360 yeah that’s fair we’ll never truly know until we get the full story
because then they wouldn't have the attention they seek.
@@Sound_Spark oh yeah, forgot about that part
Nobody is under any obligation to share details with the public. His friends heard him and the victim out, and decided they didn’t want to play Minecraft with him anymore. Maybe he’s guilty, maybe he’s not. You can choose to believe whoever you like, but I think basing what you think off of someone’s hesitancy to share (hypothetically) explicit and embarrassing screenshots is cringe.
Then why did she share anything at all? She could've just kept it private between her and Hermitcraft, but she decided to post it publicly instead. That's her own decision.
I get a sense that someone or some people are liaring
First off I just wanna say before this video I had no idea who iskall was. I am just a part of the VH community and wanted to see what was going on. From watching this video none of the evidence provided raised any red flags to me. The only red flag I saw was that when confronted he resigned, which means there may be something bad that we don’t know of. But the screenshots shown in this video prove nothing, we can’t act like people don’t do this kind of stuff online all the time. It’s not sexual harassment first off, and if it was she could easily block him and end things. Another suspicious thing is that she didn’t show any of her responses, only what iskall was saying. Again I’m not saying he’s innocent, literally none of us know without more concrete evidence. I just think it’s sad that people get canceled and have their careers ruined over little petty things that happen over the internet. Just my opinion and I hope this is able to get resolved so VH can continue to be updated
yeah exactly, I agree with you on that
If any further information comes out ill make a video on it
Why couldn't Kasszi just have left his channel, blocked him, etc and let that be the end of it? This is one exhibit of the self-righteous attitude people have nowadays. She could have avoided drama entirely, while also not defaming Iskall for making advances that, while inappropriate, she didn't clearly show were unwanted. Why did she think this was something other people had to know about? She did no good by making this public and she did an uncalled for deal of harm. The way the hermits immediately cut ties with Iskall was also unwarranted. Every human on earth has done bad stuff, we all have skeletons in our closets. Cutting him off like that seems like just an excuse to feel better about their faults because "at least I'm not as bad as that guy". That kind of attitude is destructive and immoral. That's not to say Iskall is innocent, but his actions do not constitute harassment, because Kasszi never put her foot down.
^ THIS
And not to forget she only shared Iskall's side of the conversations and not her replies bc "its to embarrassing"
They didn't cut him off, they confronted him with evidence and he resigned immediately.
I believe the hermits had good reason for their actions and I'm fine with them keeping it private. But then I don't understand why Kasszi made that document if they didn't want it to be a public topic and it's not the full story anyway
@Meowzio they did remove merch from projects he was in and edit videos and titles
Bro is not escaping the allegations by staying silent. His ass is NOT Mojang 🙏😭
Staying silent is an American right that cannot be used against the accused as an admission of guilt. Literally any lawyer will tell their client to not say anything publicly about the accusations as literally anything you say, including denying the accusations, can and will be used against you.
Furthermore, the legal system is based on an "Innocent until proven guilty" standard, as it is a logical impossibly to prove that you have not done something (absent 360° 24/7 video surveillance of every single second of your life), but it is absolutely possible for others to prove if you have done something.
At a creator, it is understandable that his fans feel they deserve some kind of answer, but in the end he has to look out for himself and follow his attorneys advice, even if the allegations are completely bogus.
@@BlackHeartScyther Iskall is from and lives in Sweden... American rights only ONLY apply in USA.
@@BlackHeartScyther He is swedish
Allegations about what??? He’s a grown man talking with grown women. Both parties engaged in flirtatious conversations. Grow up
Mojang is not going to speak up about an ongoing lawsuit lol
Just like with police “anything you say can and will be used against you”
Just with the information you've presented, i feel kasszi is mostly in the wrong for not articulating her discomfort with his advances. Even if she was trying to hide sensitive content from a younger audience, any screenshot of her showing clear and stern discomfort would greatly back up her side of the story
Until we get more information this is going to be the belief i hold
I was happy until I saw this video. I had no idea this had happened.
Disgusting bad faith video that blames victims for not showing evidence to people they dont need to show the evidence to, it was enough evidence to get Hermitcraft to ask Iskall about it and to get him to resign, this is a bad faith, idiotic analysis. Refrain from making videos like this in the future and delete this, its a childish perspective that will cause hate to go to the victims rather than the abuser. Get bent.
She posted accusations publicly, so she'll get public reactions to the accusations. If she wanted everything to remain private, then she could have kept it private and not post a whole accusation doc for the world to see.
I am completely new to hermitcraft community and everything (like I started watching Grains POV from August 2024) and I have watched a lot every night and in my eyes Iskall did wrong things but I don't think he deserved this much of hate. Reasons: It is not like he was manipulating Kasszi or anything. he was way too much upfront about his intention and if she had just stopped or just told him she is uncomfortable then he would not have continued his flirting and if she is an adult she should have understood what n*ked, b*ner etc means over a skype chat... I don't have the full story but if people are gonna ruin a person whole career just cause he is horny and flirty then maybe we are getting into dystopian society... also Iskall should have confronted or told his side or apologized about it but I can understand why he didn't do it he is ashamed also in the end Hermitcraft's majority audience are kid (kids part is not hate but like I will not mind if my younger brother is watching hermitcraft videos)
Have we considered just... not caring? I mean, Iskall did something bad, and he's facing the consequences. There we go. There is no need to make a whole youtube series about this. I mean yeah it sucks. I used to watch Iskall and Mumbo and Grian during the Sahara saga of season 6. But what happened happened so its pointless to keep drawing attention to it.
This is not meant to be an attack on the creator of the video, as he's doing what he can to provide information to his community, but let's just let the victims of this situation rest easy now that the bad guy's been caught, and stop pestering them with questions and interviews.
thanks for your comment mate, i wasn't pestering them with interviews
I just requested one to see if they would be interested in sharing any new insights
All i was tryna do was follow up my previous video cos some stuff was wrong
Tbh read the statements, unless theres something big they are hiding.... this is insanely overblown.