I always liked the batman v superman suit. 1: classic grey and black. 2: it actually made him look like a creature to an extent. 3: it has 'scars" from where it's been slashed and possibly repaired. You see the history of the character.
Definitely the most bestial/creature of the night batsuit on film, which perfectly suits the character and the very idea behind the batsuit. Unfortunately, ZSJL suit kind of lost that menacing look that BvS one had.
@@frost1842 The ZSJL cowl had more angular lines and hence looked less organic. While the expression was actually more angry with a more pronounced scowl it didn't have the impact of the BvS cowl that looked more stern and animalistic. I'll take the BvS cowl over ZSJL one any day,
I agree to all that has been said in this thread. I was very skeptical about Batfleck but no other Batman live action movie has ever embodied the stylistic brawling that Batman is known for like BvS.
Thank you, I've always wanted to know how the engineers at Ironhead Studio managed to achieve this. It will be useful to plenty of Batman cosplayers. Fun fact: BvS's prototype title was "Sage and Milo", according to Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio.
Batfleck is also my favourite suit...and the irony being that despite its size and bulk, he's the most fluid and agile Batman we've ever seen on screen. Love this pure nerdery btw. When putting a suit together recently I ended up using a rugby head protector under the cowl to keep it flush with my head without it pressing into my eyes. A primitive skullcap if you will. Was a little bulky though, need to refine.
Maybe it's based on the Batfleck "Milo" technique? Just tweaked for the Pattinson Batman suit? Also - think about how far back the cowl is actually cut on Pattinson's suit. On most Batsuits, the line of the cowl opening for the jaw is a line from either the middle of the eye (Nolan Batman) or the outside line of the eye (Batfleck) straight down or slightly angled to a point right about the midpoint between the back of the jaw and the point of the chin. But on the Pattinson cowl, it's cut MUCH farther back - almost as far back as the ears! (The real person ears - not the Bat ears on top) and practically follows the full line of the jawbone and pretty much leaving the entire chin free. I'd bet that that full cutback on the Pattinson cowl jawline might have something to do with his overall flexibility in the neck area - along with a little of the technique's detailed in this video in regards to the Batfleck cowl.
@@mightyt-rex5634 Batfleck talks to people standing by his side without even turning his head towards them, just moving his eyes. Every cowl's movement is limited no matter what they say (unless you make it out of cloth or CGI)
@@mightyt-rex5634 In that specific scene he was injured and looked in pain when he shot it. I think that’s why he looked stiff in that specific moment.
I have been taking the work that goes into the designing of these movie costumes for granted my entire life. Thanks to your content I now have a much greater appreciation for the craftsmanship and ingenuity behind every little detail down to a simple "headturn" of Batman! Cheers!
One of my favorite moments from the Nolan/Bale trilogy was when they actually hung a lampshade on the whole "Bat Turn" neck stiffness issue by having Bale's Batman actually CALL IT OUT and ask Fox for the more flexible "Mk 2 Batsuit" that he first uses in Hong Kong. "I'd like to be able to turn my head." "Yes - would make backing the car out of the driveway easier."
True, but it also illustrates the problem. the Begins cowl looks much better because of the muscular neck, so changing it to make the head turn possible made the costume not look as good. Affleck's cowl solves this issue for sure.
@@peteg475 Cept that TDK cowl "solves" the problem in a simpler fashion. The BvS method, while cool, solves it in a Hollywood movie fashion. 😁 Makes me wonder how a real cowl would have to be constructed to offer protection and function to a "real" Batman.
Can you believe there's some people out there that don't believe that Batfleck's suit is the best? Just from the sheer mobility of the suit in action alone makes it the best Batsuit ever.
I’m honestly a huge fan of The Dark Knight suit, just for the sole purpose of the realism behind it. If Batman was a real person, hypothetically he’d need a mobile, lightweight, but armored suit. It’s almost reminiscent of samurai armor. Not saying I can’t see the beauty of Ben Afflecks suit, it’s comic accurate. But I feel like some thinks just work better on paper, rather than on film.
Aesthetically, I just prefer a leaner Batman. This is definitely the best live-action suit in terms of comic faithfulness. But Dark Knight Returns isn't my favorite Batman look.
I’ve heard about this many times, but I’ve never had it fully explained. People usually just said that Ironhead had made a revolutionary cowl for Batman in BvS. It’s even cooler knowing the studio was founded by someone working on the cowls from Keaton’s era. It’s a shame they haven’t reused the technology since. Awesome video!
Would you say that due to the thickness of the cowl Keaton had, he had necks to no chance of turning his neck....! Awesome video Chris, and you've answered a question that's been bugging me since 2016! Thanks man! Love geeking out about stuff like this!
Great video and info. I'm 6'3" and cosplay the BVS Batman and that suit is my forever suit. A shout out to Ninco Creations for making one of the best BVS suits available to the public.
I liked that Keaton didn't turn his neck, it emphasized his eyes looking around and pushing his chest into his next direction, really had a unique presence
Glad someone finally talked about it ! I’m gonna be honest I also had an idea that leaving the neck area a little more thinner and that was the way for him(Ben) to move his head around.
Batfleck suit is the most beautiful looking Batsuit it’s just sooo simplistic and has a classic look to it almost like a creature in a way ykno not too technical Batman v superman (2016) Suicide squad (2016) Josstice league (2017) unfortunately snyder cut jL (2021) The flash movie (2023)
Amazing video, an thanks. No question that this Batman suit is, and will probably be, the best, and my favorite Batman suit, bar none. It’s an absolute joy to see it on screen as well as seeing Affleck’s portrayal and action sequences. I really wish WB would bring him back as the Bat for his own movie and recurring roles in other DCU movies.
As a nerd I always love the background behind the scenes kind of stuff as a Batman fan I love learning the tech behind the costume. Thank you cosplay Chris for putting this together!
Or maybe they could have just not put their characters in cartoony-looking giant foam muscle suits? A cowl is supposed to be a flexible fabric hood, not a stiff rubber mask.
You probably also forgot to mention that the prop/costume department sorta HATED Clooney for the single reason of allegedly WRECKING a lot of the cowls used in his run as Batman for that one movie because he can't keep his head still - he supposedly keeps TEARING most of the cowls nearly every time he turns his head. Clooney has this physical tic where he's pretty much a bobblehead in most of his film and tv appearances - which worked against him when he wore the batsuit. He literally cannot keep his head still more often than not.
LoL. I love it! José took it personally when they said they found the answer to allowing Batman’s head to turn, and their answer was to break the cowl into two parts.
For whatever reason this vid popped up in my feed and I clicked on it curious what it was about. Gotta admit I didn't even know this whole Batman cowl thing was an issue and I've been watching Batman movies for over 30 years. lol Interesting piece of trivia tho so thx for the scoop!
This is By Far the BEST Look for BatMan that there ever was! After Years of battling tough street gangs and a multitude of supervillians... Of Course, it only Makes Sense that BatMan is forced to Forge his body into a Full-Fledged Battle Hardened, PowerHouse!!
I'll be the first to admit design-wise I'm not fond of the costume but the technical prowess on display is legit impressive. It's amazing to see how far we've come from the days of the 1989 Batman movie where cowls were so restrictive Keaton had turn his whole body or when The Dark Knight basically had to solve that issue by having no cowl.
For me that stiff turn was so cool I always thought, since a little kid, that Keaton's turn was just his own trademark for the movie, like Peter Weller's Robocop aiming moves for example Never crossed my mind until few years ago that was actually a costume issue improv that turned to be cool (for me at least :))
I still like how they put the leather texture on the BvS cowl but still made it look like one piece rather than several pieces stitched together like Battinson's cowl, which I also like, but the stitches do kind of hark bag to Adam West Batman though. The only thing I don't like about the BvS/Frank Miller cowl is the tiny, stubby ears. I always thought the longer sharper ears added to the menace of the overall look
Very informative. Amazing it took so many years of trial and error to get to Batfleck's cowl. The whole Trinity was dressed to impress in BvS (excuse the crappy rhyme there).
Grade A content. Always wondered this. But remember, Jose Fernandez designed the SpaceX helmets. His engineering literally protects lives, he’s the GOAT
Hey Chris can you do a video dedicated to your rundown of all the bat-suits. Plus your top 5 favourite bat-suits all in one videos. Like your looks of michael myers and jason. You would smash it.
In a way, the collapsible core is in the movie itself. In Alfred’s first scene he’s conducting maintenance on a cowl-shaped helmet, and if you look on the desk you can see the mask itself. In-universe the cowl is a leather mask placed overtop of a metal helmet, just like how the costume is a foam latex mask overtop a plastic mask.
I always liked the batman v superman suit. 1: classic grey and black. 2: it actually made him look like a creature to an extent. 3: it has 'scars" from where it's been slashed and possibly repaired. You see the history of the character.
Definitely the most bestial/creature of the night batsuit on film, which perfectly suits the character and the very idea behind the batsuit. Unfortunately, ZSJL suit kind of lost that menacing look that BvS one had.
@@Urizen777 agree, especially the batcowl, it's like the menacing looks is disappear
@@frost1842 The ZSJL cowl had more angular lines and hence looked less organic. While the expression was actually more angry with a more pronounced scowl it didn't have the impact of the BvS cowl that looked more stern and animalistic. I'll take the BvS cowl over ZSJL one any day,
I agree to all that has been said in this thread. I was very skeptical about Batfleck but no other Batman live action movie has ever embodied the stylistic brawling that Batman is known for like BvS.
@@Urizen777 agree
Thank you, I've always wanted to know how the engineers at Ironhead Studio managed to achieve this. It will be useful to plenty of Batman cosplayers.
Fun fact: BvS's prototype title was "Sage and Milo", according to Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio.
Now this is called good content mate
Agree 👍
Excellent work, sir. Love hearing you geek out on this stuff!
Batfleck is also my favourite suit...and the irony being that despite its size and bulk, he's the most fluid and agile Batman we've ever seen on screen. Love this pure nerdery btw. When putting a suit together recently I ended up using a rugby head protector under the cowl to keep it flush with my head without it pressing into my eyes. A primitive skullcap if you will. Was a little bulky though, need to refine.
I’d love to hear a breakdown of how Pattinson’s cowl allows for his head turning and whatnot
Maybe it's based on the Batfleck "Milo" technique? Just tweaked for the Pattinson Batman suit? Also - think about how far back the cowl is actually cut on Pattinson's suit. On most Batsuits, the line of the cowl opening for the jaw is a line from either the middle of the eye (Nolan Batman) or the outside line of the eye (Batfleck) straight down or slightly angled to a point right about the midpoint between the back of the jaw and the point of the chin. But on the Pattinson cowl, it's cut MUCH farther back - almost as far back as the ears! (The real person ears - not the Bat ears on top) and practically follows the full line of the jawbone and pretty much leaving the entire chin free.
I'd bet that that full cutback on the Pattinson cowl jawline might have something to do with his overall flexibility in the neck area - along with a little of the technique's detailed in this video in regards to the Batfleck cowl.
actually, it's still pretty limited. especially in the stadium scene where he shot his grapnel gun. he moved like keaton
@@mightyt-rex5634 Batfleck talks to people standing by his side without even turning his head towards them, just moving his eyes.
Every cowl's movement is limited no matter what they say (unless you make it out of cloth or CGI)
@@mightyt-rex5634 In that specific scene he was injured and looked in pain when he shot it. I think that’s why he looked stiff in that specific moment.
He has a collar that hides the lower part of the cowl.
This has always been one of the coolest little bits of Batman movie history, I love how much you went into detail in this vid! Very interesting stuff!
and also this channel, just gotta love when Chris geeks out about these and you learn so much.
I have been taking the work that goes into the designing of these movie costumes for granted my entire life. Thanks to your content I now have a much greater appreciation for the craftsmanship and ingenuity behind every little detail down to a simple "headturn" of Batman! Cheers!
One of my favorite moments from the Nolan/Bale trilogy was when they actually hung a lampshade on the whole "Bat Turn" neck stiffness issue by having Bale's Batman actually CALL IT OUT and ask Fox for the more flexible "Mk 2 Batsuit" that he first uses in Hong Kong. "I'd like to be able to turn my head." "Yes - would make backing the car out of the driveway easier."
True, but it also illustrates the problem. the Begins cowl looks much better because of the muscular neck, so changing it to make the head turn possible made the costume not look as good. Affleck's cowl solves this issue for sure.
@@peteg475 Oh certainly! It's a genius technique that should help in every batsuit going forward.
@@peteg475 Cept that TDK cowl "solves" the problem in a simpler fashion. The BvS method, while cool, solves it in a Hollywood movie fashion. 😁 Makes me wonder how a real cowl would have to be constructed to offer protection and function to a "real" Batman.
@@CmputrBlu Sure, but since it's a movie and not a "real" Batman, design considerations and appearance definitely matter.
Rip Kevin Conroy, one of the best Batman actors
Unrelated but still
@@DuongNguyen-dx2vq its related
@@willemdafoenumberonefan387 its not about conroy but about the neck
@@DuongNguyen-dx2vq its about batman
Voice actor *
I love Chris’s channel he could make a whole video on anything and I’ll watch it he’s that entertaining
No one know how much I really love the BvS suit. It’s a masterpiece. Loved this video man!
Love this so much my dude!! Ben is still my favourite Batman. As soon as I saw that he was able to turn his head I lost my mind.
Same and he's coming back too. Good times ahead
xD
Can you believe there's some people out there that don't believe that Batfleck's suit is the best? Just from the sheer mobility of the suit in action alone makes it the best Batsuit ever.
Different people look for and appreciate different things. Not that hard to believe.
I’m honestly a huge fan of The Dark Knight suit, just for the sole purpose of the realism behind it. If Batman was a real person, hypothetically he’d need a mobile, lightweight, but armored suit. It’s almost reminiscent of samurai armor. Not saying I can’t see the beauty of Ben Afflecks suit, it’s comic accurate. But I feel like some thinks just work better on paper, rather than on film.
I think the problem many have is how the padding sits on Affleck's body, it's so thick it gives him a slightly bizarre body shape
Aesthetically, I just prefer a leaner Batman. This is definitely the best live-action suit in terms of comic faithfulness. But Dark Knight Returns isn't my favorite Batman look.
I like Pattinson's suit the best.
7:22 *"A MILO"* bro that caught me off guard 😭
*AWESOME* video, Chris! I’ve always wanted to know how they made this happen, it’s the absolute pinnacle of onscreen Batman costuming
I’ve heard about this many times, but I’ve never had it fully explained. People usually just said that Ironhead had made a revolutionary cowl for Batman in BvS. It’s even cooler knowing the studio was founded by someone working on the cowls from Keaton’s era. It’s a shame they haven’t reused the technology since. Awesome video!
It's nice to know the exact details of this cowl. It's my favorite live action suit of Batman.
Can't wait to see it again in The Flash
Ben's Batman has the coolest batsuit.
Been waiting for someone to talk about this!!
Would you say that due to the thickness of the cowl Keaton had, he had necks to no chance of turning his neck....!
Awesome video Chris, and you've answered a question that's been bugging me since 2016! Thanks man! Love geeking out about stuff like this!
Great video and info. I'm 6'3" and cosplay the BVS Batman and that suit is my forever suit. A shout out to Ninco Creations for making one of the best BVS suits available to the public.
This is one of my favorite videos of yours
I liked that Keaton didn't turn his neck, it emphasized his eyes looking around and pushing his chest into his next direction, really had a unique presence
Yeah but it led to that awkward scene when he tried to scan the area and ended up turning his whole body all over the place
His batman articulation is worst than my 80 year old gramdma.
But that kind of movement would be horrific in the "real world".
@@davidmeloche3563 not to mention also a huge disadvantage during combat.
It was ridiculous.
Glad someone finally talked about it ! I’m gonna be honest I also had an idea that leaving the neck area a little more thinner and that was the way for him(Ben) to move his head around.
God I love the way batfleck suits look
The bvs suit was great and the neck was able to move freely only for that to suddenly dissapear in the Justice League Snyder cut😮💨
Favorite Batman of all time, thanks for the info now hopefully Ben will wear his BvS suit in one of his Batman Projects in the near future 😃
Never knew this kinda "content" can be so entertaining. Kudos, never a dull moment
New subscriber. Thanks for this as a big Batman fan. Speaking of, RIP the late great Kevin Conroy. Forever Batman to me and others.
Batfleck suit is the most beautiful looking Batsuit it’s just sooo simplistic and has a classic look to it almost like a creature in a way ykno not too technical
Batman v superman (2016)
Suicide squad (2016)
Josstice league (2017) unfortunately
snyder cut jL (2021)
The flash movie (2023)
Love this info Chris!!
Amazing video, an thanks. No question that this Batman suit is, and will probably be, the best, and my favorite Batman suit, bar none. It’s an absolute joy to see it on screen as well as seeing Affleck’s portrayal and action sequences. I really wish WB would bring him back as the Bat for his own movie and recurring roles in other DCU movies.
It's already rumoured he signed a 3 solo picture deal with Discovery. Plus another few cameo appearances too.
@@marcozolo3536 We can only hope this is true!!
Was always curious how they made the head of the cowl turn from a prop making prospective, so this was really interesting to me
This is epic! Love Batman.
As a nerd I always love the background behind the scenes kind of stuff as a Batman fan I love learning the tech behind the costume. Thank you cosplay Chris for putting this together!
It’s not nerdy though
That much is true , but we need to see Batman with the white eyes!
this is the Best Live action Batman and the Best CB accurate Batsuit.
Or maybe they could have just not put their characters in cartoony-looking giant foam muscle suits?
A cowl is supposed to be a flexible fabric hood, not a stiff rubber mask.
I'm honestly so weirdly glad you made a video on this topic. I don't even like this suit but I've always admired how he could turn his head.
Batfleck suit is and will always be the perfect live-action batsuit forever!!!😆
You probably also forgot to mention that the prop/costume department sorta HATED Clooney for the single reason of allegedly WRECKING a lot of the cowls used in his run as Batman for that one movie because he can't keep his head still - he supposedly keeps TEARING most of the cowls nearly every time he turns his head. Clooney has this physical tic where he's pretty much a bobblehead in most of his film and tv appearances - which worked against him when he wore the batsuit. He literally cannot keep his head still more often than not.
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed his bobble head tics.
Damn didn't know the batman cowl was that impractical irl. In terms of disguises i think the Netflix daredevil costume must be the best
I’d love to see you take a crack at making your own head turning batman cowl.
Loving these videos giving insight into how the pros do it for the big screen. Keep it up mate.
LoL. I love it! José took it personally when they said they found the answer to allowing Batman’s head to turn, and their answer was to break the cowl into two parts.
*I was gonna ask this, I have a batfleck cowl at home and only thing I wanted to know was HOWWW TF WAS HE ABLE TO TURN ???!!!*
i dont comment often but im a big Snyder/Batfleck Fan and this video was awesome. great work :)
This content I was searching from a decade thnq ❤️
This may go down in history as one of the best costumes on film
For whatever reason this vid popped up in my feed and I clicked on it curious what it was about. Gotta admit I didn't even know this whole Batman cowl thing was an issue and I've been watching Batman movies for over 30 years. lol Interesting piece of trivia tho so thx for the scoop!
Thanks for posting this. I've been pondering how Ironhead Studio was able to pull this off.
absolutely loved this video!
This is By Far the BEST Look for BatMan that there ever was! After Years of battling tough street gangs and a multitude of supervillians... Of Course, it only Makes Sense that BatMan is forced to Forge his body into a Full-Fledged Battle Hardened, PowerHouse!!
Super interesting info, nice job doing this investigation Chris, you rock!!!
Hope oneday 1/6 batfleck action figures can use this tech.🤣🤣
Not sure why this popped up on my recommended but I'm glad it did,great video 👍🏽
Video starts @ 4:00
"I'm gonna go to bed early today"
Me at 3am:
Here after Deadpool made fun of Batman not turning his neck… who’s laughing now!?
Incredibly specific subject. I love it.
The back shot of the head turn 👌👌
The BvS and 89 batsuits are the best live actions suits imo
I'll be the first to admit design-wise I'm not fond of the costume but the technical prowess on display is legit impressive. It's amazing to see how far we've come from the days of the 1989 Batman movie where cowls were so restrictive Keaton had turn his whole body or when The Dark Knight basically had to solve that issue by having no cowl.
When you are cosplaying Rob Stark in real life.
Thank you Chris, really enjoyed this video
Definitely the best Batsuit by far!
BvS suit in it's entirety is perfection 🔥
Jose Fernandez 👏
For me that stiff turn was so cool I always thought, since a little kid, that Keaton's turn was just his own trademark for the movie, like Peter Weller's Robocop aiming moves for example
Never crossed my mind until few years ago that was actually a costume issue improv that turned to be cool (for me at least :))
an eight minute video about a man in dressed as a bat turning his head
A beautiful piece of art.
I think that Keaton's turn is more iconic since it's natural as he had to figure out how to move in the suit.
The fact that he couldn't turn his head is very unnatural. Still pretty iconic though.
@@TwiztidThorn Very true. But I think that added to his Batman honestly. Made him more freaky to the bad guys.
@@azraelcales yeah, Keaton really nailed that and turned a hindrance into a virtue.
@@TwiztidThorn Agreed
This is so cool. Also Ben Affleck is without doubt my favourite Batman of all time
I still like how they put the leather texture on the BvS cowl but still made it look like one piece rather than several pieces stitched together like Battinson's cowl, which I also like, but the stitches do kind of hark bag to Adam West Batman though. The only thing I don't like about the BvS/Frank Miller cowl is the tiny, stubby ears. I always thought the longer sharper ears added to the menace of the overall look
this is why artist should be praised. .. but artist are always screwed over..
Never knew that I wanted to know this, but I’m glad that I found out
Great technology for one of the Best superhero Suits of the Big screen
Patrick Wilson’s Nite Owl cowl had movement too.
Very informative. Amazing it took so many years of trial and error to get to Batfleck's cowl. The whole Trinity was dressed to impress in BvS (excuse the crappy rhyme there).
Cool video. And to date, the only bat cowl to do this on film.
Grade A content. Always wondered this. But remember, Jose Fernandez designed the SpaceX helmets. His engineering literally protects lives, he’s the GOAT
Wow! Great engineering!
Amazing! Will definitely help for my batman cosplay😁😁 thanks man!
Hey Chris can you do a video dedicated to your rundown of all the bat-suits. Plus your top 5 favourite bat-suits all in one videos. Like your looks of michael myers and jason. You would smash it.
I wish they made batman eyes white with cgi, like how deadpool's eyes are. It makes him more expressive
Deadshot would've bopped him if not for neck mobility...
“Im Milo” 😂😂
Finally,,, some good fucking content on RUclips
Sweet channel dude
Basically, Fernandez 'glued' the entire head part of the cowl to a thin form-fitting helmet. Ingineous!
In a way, the collapsible core is in the movie itself.
In Alfred’s first scene he’s conducting maintenance on a cowl-shaped helmet, and if you look on the desk you can see the mask itself. In-universe the cowl is a leather mask placed overtop of a metal helmet, just like how the costume is a foam latex mask overtop a plastic mask.
Incredible function suit!!
Finally someone talking about this
Content we all need ✨✨✨✨
Batfleck was the most close to my idea/image of Batman. He was so close!!
Honorable mentions to Michael Keaton's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman.
I call it the Bat-neck it’s very useful when it comes to crime fighting but is very rare to some Batmen
I like how this Batman looks like Frank Miller's Batman
What a beautiful story 👏
I actually guessed they had to have air pockets in the cowl neck so I got that correct but not the skullcap part lol
This is so cool! Do you have any videos on the other portrayals of batman?
Boy, so much work just to make it so someone’s head can turn. Makes me wonder why other superhero costumes don’t have this problem.
Very tecnical, very cool
never wanted to know that, glad i do now