Yes, the 70s and 80s were the golden-days of women's gymnastics. Thankfully, rhythmic gymnasts still demonstrate the beautiful, ballet-trained lines and gracefulness that the women of standard gymnastics used to display. Thanks for giving us a nice trip down Memory Lane!
I also believe the gymnasts from back in the day are underappreciated for the skills they were doing. A lot has been made of modern gymnasts and saying 'no one has ever done x y z' and so forth - but the equipment has changed, like a sprung floor. When I watch Nadia or Kim or any of these old school gymnasts, on unsprung floors and less responsive beams, there's no doubt that generation would be on par or perhaps dominating today's competition as they did in their era. Part of me wishes the equipment would stay the same so things could be compared, but more than that, I wish the equipment of today was available to the gymnasts back then. I would really like to see Silivas next to Biles on the Rio floor, for example. I always say that gymnasts are the best pure athletes on the planet. These old school gymnasts never get the credit they deserve. To do what they did, sans springs, is really impressive. And the "inverted" work on beam - it needs to come back. It's incredibly impressive.
I think a lot of people don't realize that when it comes to beam and floor, crazy things were bring done in the 80s (with less than ideal equipment) and 90s. And the Code literally REQUIRED originality. I don't think people understand how important that is. It's why gymnastics has lost its personality nowadays and the majority of the routines seem cookie cutter and interchangeable, regardless of one's D score. Thirty years ago, gymnastics routines were evaluated in a "big picture" sort of way. Now they are analyzed and scrutinized and each skill is picked apart to death. Now they're even trying to objectify artistry, which (in my humble opinion) is just not possible.
I WAS a gymnast in the 80's and the level of understanding you have of this sport is so impressive! I love your hot takes and your appreciation of artistry. Thank you for doing this and breaking this down to the extent that you do.
I forgive Dudnik's lack of amplitude and extension on her beam because she was a badass in so many other ways! Just discovered your channel and binge watching the Golden Age of gymnastics!
Bruno Grande and Nelli Kim both said that it was their intention to get rid of "old-school Soviet gymnastics" and open the sport up to the world because the Soviet athletes were so dominant for so long. Well, ballet is an important part of Russian culture and gymnastics training has long been part of our school system and our national service program so most Russian children at least learned the basics of both. Similarly with skating, we are dominant because we have 4 million skaters to choose from. But Grande and Kim, more than anybody else are responsible for pushing the sport away from balletic artistry, in which the CCCP excelled, towards power-gymnastics. The open-ended difficulty (and its associated horrific injury list among child-athletes) is largely down to them pushing for it. Now, competitions are not about who is the better athlete but about who is fit to compete. And all the routines look the same because the athletes are looking to maximise points with the least amount of physical danger to themselves; they are all about staying fit
New sub, i love what you are talking about...The 80's and the Soviet gymnasts are my most favourite time in Gymnastics and wish we had just a touch of that magic today. I look forward to your future content.
@@thesovgc Id also like to add concerning the CoP. I was competing in the 80's just as a normal club gymnasts and i remember how strict it was. If the routine was not done precisely to the book you were deducted, if arms said high oblique that is precisely where they had to be. Now even at the club level, there is none of that, no real expectation except to complete a skill to a certain degree, its very boring to watch and coach today.
Those salto entry vaults in the 85/88 code are TERRIFYING (especially the PIKED option?!). I had to pause the video to get a decent look at what was going on there. I could maybe see a Soviet training that since they often trained harder skills than they competed, but DAYUM. LOVED this video, Wally! I've never taken a look at the code, so this was FASCINATING. As always, thank you for an amazing video. Be well!!!
IKR!! The only gymnast I could see throwing one of those would maybe be Pryakhina, and that's bc her coach was low-key insane like that 😭. Could you imagine doing a front onto the horse and being able to repel into anything? Especially on the old horse? Your timing would have to be *perfect*.
I really miss the low to beam work from the past, nowadays is just sitting down, waving your arms, then standing up again haha. To be honest I don’t know how it can be encouraged
@@thesovgc ok I just posted the link in a comment of my video of the longinges prize for elegance ceremony, apparently the comment is up, tell me if you see it
It's a real pleasure watching your videos. Your knowledge about the gymnasts, the sills, the cop is outstanding! Gymnastics has become quite boring to me in recent years, and I never thought I'd say that. It's such a shame😢
I love the analysis and the fact that you know what you are talking about and with the CoP to prove it. I can't agree more with you, in every single aspect. I do miss 80's and 90's gymnastics, and I cannot believe why to this day nobody has done anything to improve the sport, like you say, sport is supposed to get better over the years, to EVOLVE, but it seems the opposite to Gymnastics, which makes me really sad, routines now are empty and hollow from my point of view, there is no originality, no expression, the wow factor is just gone, I find myself not interested in watching competitions anymore since the 2012 olympic cycle, sad to say from a true gymnastics fan. I rather turned to Rhythmic Gymnastics to find artistry, pointed toes and leg extensions.
Exactly! I feel the same. I could never understand why this type of gymnastics is called artistic gymnastics in English and the other one is called rhythmic gymnastics. In Czech we have sport gymnastics (instead of artistic one) - it fits better, especially these days. I lack elegance, artistry and can´t understand pointed toes are not important at all in today´s AG. Love this channel , thanks.
I do remember hearing of a "creativity bonus" during the 86 American Cup, which gave you points for doing a rare or original element. I would kill to have that as something you could add to the DV. On the other hand, have you thought of making a video on Nastia Liukin? Considering her Soviet roots, she should get one (I'm biased but her 2008 pacific rim routine where she got a 9.8 (!) in execution.)
1. I did get into more specifics about the Code but wound up cutting it for time. The Code worked under a Bonification system, where a gymnast could only max out at a 9.5 from completing the mandatory elements. The additional five tenths to attain a 10.0 SV came from 2 tenths in Originality by displaying new or rare skills, one tenth by competing an additional D element (skills were only graded from A - D until 1993 IIRC), and two tenths for virtuosity. This is known as the ODV system. Maybe I will follow up with a Part 2 getting more in depth. 2. I was a big Nastia fan throughout her career and I have the routine in mind I've wanted to react to for years 🥰.
Oh wow I had no idea! Guess the commentary wanted to keep it simple for the “4 year” viewer As a newer fan, Nastia is the one who got me into gymnastics at age 10! I was a ballerina at the time and loved that she brought that grace and elegance into her gymnastics since it was already going full speed towards power. Still wows me that her and Shawn were on the same team, they both exemplified their styles extremely well!
What a great video of one of my most favorite Championships in time. Thanks for explaining so much about the CoP. It was good to see you again... I was a bit worried about you. Love and hugs from Germany.
@@thesovgc Very sweet.... if I would still be on Twitter, we could send each other voice messages and I would teach you to pronounce it the 'German' way. 🥰
@@Boban1611 ugh I think I too focused on the Fähnrich part, which caused me to mess up Gabriele 😭. And the lack of umlaut on Kersten had me misled on how to say it 💀. Oh well. I'll try to do better next time. The thing with German is that it feels theoretically *possible* to get it close at least. Unlike with Czech and Russian with their crazy ř and р respectively that are impossible for me to say as a native English speaker who cannot roll his Rs 😭
Do you think a part of this problem could be dealt with if they brought back compulsories? At least, the finalists would have a minimum of artistry, control, balance and so on. What upsets me the most is the lack of artistry on FX. It's very weird to see sleazy choreography on floor. In college gymnastics it's worse, they make slutty faces, stick their tongue out, I mean... And unfortunately we also have the same few skills being performed on beam, bars and vault. It's boring and sad.
Sadly I think it's been far too long since compulsories were abolished to bring them back. Not only that, but the FIG has no interest or incentive to bring them back. I made a video about why they got rid of them in the first place. Here it is if you haven't seen it: ruclips.net/video/Xdpa2PcPQsg/видео.html
We desperately need compulsory routines. Those routines puts every gymnast on an even playing field. Nowadays you can just do difficult tumbling and win. The artistic element on the floor is gone. When I competed in the 80s we had to take our dance elements as seriously as tumbling.
Agreed was watching a quad meet today - floor has non-existent choreo, and you're right making faces/stick tongue out and just plain no grace, bars routines are all carbon copies - they all stand on the low bar and reach over the high bar - and that's a "transition" and they almost all do a Tkachev for the release.
Not sure if you know this already, but were you aware that Aurelia Dobre's husband was married to Oksana and left her for Aurelia? 😭 Quel scandale ! Oksana seems like an absolutely glorious person, inside and out.
@@thesovgc Конечно я знала😒... Have you noticed that Oksana is not popular anymore in WAG and RG? (Rhetorical question, obviously. Of course we have noticed😌). It' s because it has become considered kinda a damned name and it tends to be avoided precisely due to what happened to Omelyanchik and Kóstina in WAG and RG. She died exactly 30 years ago (February 11th, 1993) in a car crash. Her boyfriend, Eduard Zenovka, bronze medallist of pentathlon, was driving drunk but there were zero ZEEEROOO consequences🤯. After a week, he started dating Irina Zenovka, Oksana' s choreographer😱. Both were one of a kind, gymnasts with a unique style and aura, very special personalities. Coincidence or causality?... 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Don't forget Baiul, who is still vilified in the Russian media TO THIS DAY and made fun of for being an alcoholic (despite having been sober for YEARS). And then you have that hot mess Oksana Grishchuk, who went as far to change her name from Oksana to Pasha for a spell. It's too bad bc I think it's a beautiful name. Obviously I will never have children, but I would consider naming a daughter Oksana 😍.
@@thesovgc 😲 Definitely, WAG-RG-FS. Not a coincidence, nonono. My _doghter_ was named Oksana after Kosti. Four legged ones are the only children I' ll have. 🧛🏻♀️🖤
@@georgiadonald1588 I'm very happy about how well this video is doing at least 😂. It's gotten twice the number of views in 36 hours than my Gina Gogean video has garnered in six months 😍
I really appreciate the choise of today´s gymnast you show us in comparison with the old ones. This one is for me a typical perfomer of today´s bad style. Power, no artistry, sad reality.
I agree and disagree. I certainly enjoy routines from this era more, but I can see why the code needed to change. Back in the day, it seemed that judging was based on intuition and many of the rules mentioned in the code were enforced randomly at best and selectively at worst. I was watching the 1972 event finals (admittedly a bit earlier than the period you are discussing) and the scores on vault were announced almost before the gymnasts were off the mat, which is very suspect to me. At least today, you can see what deductions are being taken more clearly. If the panel makes a decision, it is actually possible to figure out after the fact why they made their choices. But at the same time nearly all routines today have low energy dance and terrible code whoring and the code isn't really doing anything to fix it, aside from downgrading skills. In figure skating, I think the move away from the 6.0 system arguably led to a golden period, at least for me. Competitors like Mao Asada, Kim Yuna, and Carolina Kostner have extremely good artistry. Kim was rewarded for her eccelent technique with the highest scores. Mao was rewarded for her triple axle but righly deducted for her terrible flutz. Of course today everything has gone to shit, with no objective judging on jumps and even worse judging for component scores. But an open scoring system isn't inheretly antithetical to artistry or excelent technique, it just needs to be done right.
Not only the code got worst but it seems that gymnastics technic also got worst, in particular on beam. I was watching 2024 Beam finals, having been away from gymnastics since 2009/2010-ish and a BB final with 5 people falling and the 3 that didn't fall having big unbalances or persistent wabbles was bizarre. We had people in beams in 90-2004 doing all sorts of stuff on beam and doing it solidly and then we look at 2024 and people are wobbling on wolf jumps.
I probably know just about everything about gymnastics as well. I watched all the old rewinds but I. I have to say I think you're a little obsessed what I miss out now. Today is that no one does a car wheel or a backhand Spring or anything on floor that resembles what a girl can do in her back yard. So we're losing all the girls you know that I have to use jump split double twitch turns it's just f*****? Up
I just caught this video following the 2024 olympics. For the record, I think the wolf turn is one of the least attractive skills on either floor or beam. I wish it would go away.
@@thesovgc Oh My Goth🤦🏻♀️, it' s you, dorogoy!!!🥹 It' s fka _Wally-delirious-typography_ I swear to Omelianchik' s birdy floor and Timoshenko' s Dirty Diana' s ribbon that I was about to comment: "This dysthymic soviet b*tch is back and (something very close to) happy to know about you again". But then I read what' s going on🥺. I' m with you, tovarish, not only in our passion but also in our path. Sending my best best best wishes. May Saint Oksana Kóstina from The Baikal Lake take care of you🙏🏼. 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Her name is YURCHENKO. It is Ukrainian in origin, not Russian. Russian pronunciation rules do not apply. There are several famous female athletes and female actors named YURCHENKO. There are also other former female Soviet gymnasts whose names end in “O.” It is not an English mistake, but an attempt to apply Soviet rules on a Ukrainian name. Please stop saying YURCHENKA…it’s incorrect.
@@joedavich5117 she was born in Norilsk. Last time I looked at a map, it wasn't in the Ukraine 😘. Please listen to any Soviet television broadcasts of the time and they will pronounce her name the same way 🤷♂️
@@thesovgcI love it when folks are used to hearing a name pronounced incorrectly and correct folks pronouncing it correctly. I mean I have done it, but I learned my lesson and definitely double check once I’ve heard a new pronunciation. 😂
Yes, the 70s and 80s were the golden-days of women's gymnastics. Thankfully, rhythmic gymnasts still demonstrate the beautiful, ballet-trained lines and gracefulness that the women of standard gymnastics used to display. Thanks for giving us a nice trip down Memory Lane!
Yes, too bad RG killed the artistic side of the sports as well since the code, as with the current AG code, values difficulty over artistry.
I also believe the gymnasts from back in the day are underappreciated for the skills they were doing. A lot has been made of modern gymnasts and saying 'no one has ever done x y z' and so forth - but the equipment has changed, like a sprung floor. When I watch Nadia or Kim or any of these old school gymnasts, on unsprung floors and less responsive beams, there's no doubt that generation would be on par or perhaps dominating today's competition as they did in their era. Part of me wishes the equipment would stay the same so things could be compared, but more than that, I wish the equipment of today was available to the gymnasts back then. I would really like to see Silivas next to Biles on the Rio floor, for example. I always say that gymnasts are the best pure athletes on the planet. These old school gymnasts never get the credit they deserve. To do what they did, sans springs, is really impressive. And the "inverted" work on beam - it needs to come back. It's incredibly impressive.
I think a lot of people don't realize that when it comes to beam and floor, crazy things were bring done in the 80s (with less than ideal equipment) and 90s. And the Code literally REQUIRED originality. I don't think people understand how important that is. It's why gymnastics has lost its personality nowadays and the majority of the routines seem cookie cutter and interchangeable, regardless of one's D score. Thirty years ago, gymnastics routines were evaluated in a "big picture" sort of way. Now they are analyzed and scrutinized and each skill is picked apart to death. Now they're even trying to objectify artistry, which (in my humble opinion) is just not possible.
Floorsin the 80s and 90s were definitely sprung. I was a competitive gymnast in the early 90s and the floor was VERY stringy.
They're more springy now though, correct? I assume the technology has improved? The floor mat these days seems akin to a trampoline at times 😂
@@thesovgcI assume someone remembering the 90s but not familiar with today’s floors wouldn’t know the difference.
I WAS a gymnast in the 80's and the level of understanding you have of this sport is so impressive! I love your hot takes and your appreciation of artistry. Thank you for doing this and breaking this down to the extent that you do.
Aww thank you, that's so sweet! 💗
@@thesovgc I miss compulsories! Especially with the open ended scoring system. That would balance it out a bit, at least!
@@lovethat4uit was a huge mistake to stop compulsories
I forgive Dudnik's lack of amplitude and extension on her beam because she was a badass in so many other ways! Just discovered your channel and binge watching the Golden Age of gymnastics!
Bruno Grande and Nelli Kim both said that it was their intention to get rid of "old-school Soviet gymnastics" and open the sport up to the world because the Soviet athletes were so dominant for so long. Well, ballet is an important part of Russian culture and gymnastics training has long been part of our school system and our national service program so most Russian children at least learned the basics of both. Similarly with skating, we are dominant because we have 4 million skaters to choose from. But Grande and Kim, more than anybody else are responsible for pushing the sport away from balletic artistry, in which the CCCP excelled, towards power-gymnastics. The open-ended difficulty (and its associated horrific injury list among child-athletes) is largely down to them pushing for it. Now, competitions are not about who is the better athlete but about who is fit to compete. And all the routines look the same because the athletes are looking to maximise points with the least amount of physical danger to themselves; they are all about staying fit
New sub, i love what you are talking about...The 80's and the Soviet gymnasts are my most favourite time in Gymnastics and wish we had just a touch of that magic today. I look forward to your future content.
Thank you so much! There's a lot of past content too if you get bored 😂
@@thesovgc Id also like to add concerning the CoP. I was competing in the 80's just as a normal club gymnasts and i remember how strict it was. If the routine was not done precisely to the book you were deducted, if arms said high oblique that is precisely where they had to be. Now even at the club level, there is none of that, no real expectation except to complete a skill to a certain degree, its very boring to watch and coach today.
@@bluejhaygrl to say that the priorities have shifted would be an understatement 😂
Another great video, and im on board with your opinions.....We need to bring back gymnastics to what it once was.
Those salto entry vaults in the 85/88 code are TERRIFYING (especially the PIKED option?!). I had to pause the video to get a decent look at what was going on there. I could maybe see a Soviet training that since they often trained harder skills than they competed, but DAYUM. LOVED this video, Wally! I've never taken a look at the code, so this was FASCINATING. As always, thank you for an amazing video. Be well!!!
IKR!! The only gymnast I could see throwing one of those would maybe be Pryakhina, and that's bc her coach was low-key insane like that 😭. Could you imagine doing a front onto the horse and being able to repel into anything? Especially on the old horse? Your timing would have to be *perfect*.
I really miss the low to beam work from the past, nowadays is just sitting down, waving your arms, then standing up again haha. To be honest I don’t know how it can be encouraged
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@@thesovgc
Do you have links banned on your channel or it is RUclips deleting my comments? I wanted to show you a montage I liked😕
I don't think so. RUclips has been acting really funny lately 😪
@@thesovgc
ok I just posted the link in a comment of my video of the longinges prize for elegance ceremony, apparently the comment is up, tell me if you see it
@@darkhawkx8 yes I love it! Thank you! I am obsessed with the mount from the Romanian(?) they show at the very beginning
It's a real pleasure watching your videos. Your knowledge about the gymnasts, the sills, the cop is outstanding! Gymnastics has become quite boring to me in recent years, and I never thought I'd say that. It's such a shame😢
I love the analysis and the fact that you know what you are talking about and with the CoP to prove it. I can't agree more with you, in every single aspect. I do miss 80's and 90's gymnastics, and I cannot believe why to this day nobody has done anything to improve the sport, like you say, sport is supposed to get better over the years, to EVOLVE, but it seems the opposite to Gymnastics, which makes me really sad, routines now are empty and hollow from my point of view, there is no originality, no expression, the wow factor is just gone, I find myself not interested in watching competitions anymore since the 2012 olympic cycle, sad to say from a true gymnastics fan. I rather turned to Rhythmic Gymnastics to find artistry, pointed toes and leg extensions.
Exactly! I feel the same. I could never understand why this type of gymnastics is called artistic gymnastics in English and the other one is called rhythmic gymnastics. In Czech we have sport gymnastics (instead of artistic one) - it fits better, especially these days. I lack elegance, artistry and can´t understand pointed toes are not important at all in today´s AG. Love this channel , thanks.
I do remember hearing of a "creativity bonus" during the 86 American Cup, which gave you points for doing a rare or original element. I would kill to have that as something you could add to the DV.
On the other hand, have you thought of making a video on Nastia Liukin? Considering her Soviet roots, she should get one (I'm biased but her 2008 pacific rim routine where she got a 9.8 (!) in execution.)
1. I did get into more specifics about the Code but wound up cutting it for time. The Code worked under a Bonification system, where a gymnast could only max out at a 9.5 from completing the mandatory elements. The additional five tenths to attain a 10.0 SV came from 2 tenths in Originality by displaying new or rare skills, one tenth by competing an additional D element (skills were only graded from A - D until 1993 IIRC), and two tenths for virtuosity. This is known as the ODV system. Maybe I will follow up with a Part 2 getting more in depth.
2. I was a big Nastia fan throughout her career and I have the routine in mind I've wanted to react to for years 🥰.
Oh wow I had no idea! Guess the commentary wanted to keep it simple for the “4 year” viewer
As a newer fan, Nastia is the one who got me into gymnastics at age 10! I was a ballerina at the time and loved that she brought that grace and elegance into her gymnastics since it was already going full speed towards power. Still wows me that her and Shawn were on the same team, they both exemplified their styles extremely well!
@@floralgem Shawn absolutely did exhibit the All Chuck No Teknik Style extremely well 💀
What a great video of one of my most favorite Championships in time.
Thanks for explaining so much about the CoP.
It was good to see you again... I was a bit worried about you.
Love and hugs from Germany.
😘 💗 🤗
Btw how close was my prononciation of Kersten and Fähnrich? 😂
@@thesovgc Very sweet.... if I would still be on Twitter, we could send each other voice messages and I would teach you to pronounce it the 'German' way. 🥰
@@Boban1611 😭😭😭
@@Boban1611 ugh I think I too focused on the Fähnrich part, which caused me to mess up Gabriele 😭. And the lack of umlaut on Kersten had me misled on how to say it 💀. Oh well. I'll try to do better next time. The thing with German is that it feels theoretically *possible* to get it close at least. Unlike with Czech and Russian with their crazy ř and р respectively that are impossible for me to say as a native English speaker who cannot roll his Rs 😭
Do you think a part of this problem could be dealt with if they brought back compulsories? At least, the finalists would have a minimum of artistry, control, balance and so on. What upsets me the most is the lack of artistry on FX. It's very weird to see sleazy choreography on floor. In college gymnastics it's worse, they make slutty faces, stick their tongue out, I mean... And unfortunately we also have the same few skills being performed on beam, bars and vault. It's boring and sad.
Sadly I think it's been far too long since compulsories were abolished to bring them back. Not only that, but the FIG has no interest or incentive to bring them back. I made a video about why they got rid of them in the first place. Here it is if you haven't seen it:
ruclips.net/video/Xdpa2PcPQsg/видео.html
I said the same thing much after you, but I agree! Also agree with Wall-way too late, but who knows…never predicted no more 10.
@@sophieban5832 Oh, I was ONLY referring to compulsory in elite 😉
College is a whole different sport.
We desperately need compulsory routines. Those routines puts every gymnast on an even playing field. Nowadays you can just do difficult tumbling and win. The artistic element on the floor is gone. When I competed in the 80s we had to take our dance elements as seriously as tumbling.
Agreed was watching a quad meet today - floor has non-existent choreo, and you're right making faces/stick tongue out and just plain no grace, bars routines are all carbon copies - they all stand on the low bar and reach over the high bar - and that's a "transition" and they almost all do a Tkachev for the release.
Oksana Ogazelleyanchik. She has the vibe of a happy fawn trapped in a fairy' s body. Even the birds sing when she performs FX✨
🧛🏻♀️🖤
Not sure if you know this already, but were you aware that Aurelia Dobre's husband was married to Oksana and left her for Aurelia? 😭 Quel scandale ! Oksana seems like an absolutely glorious person, inside and out.
@@thesovgc Конечно я знала😒... Have you noticed that Oksana is not popular anymore in WAG and RG? (Rhetorical question, obviously. Of course we have noticed😌). It' s because it has become considered kinda a damned name and it tends to be avoided precisely due to what happened to Omelyanchik and Kóstina in WAG and RG. She died exactly 30 years ago (February 11th, 1993) in a car crash. Her boyfriend, Eduard Zenovka, bronze medallist of pentathlon, was driving drunk but there were zero ZEEEROOO consequences🤯. After a week, he started dating Irina Zenovka, Oksana' s choreographer😱. Both were one of a kind, gymnasts with a unique style and aura, very special personalities. Coincidence or causality?... 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Don't forget Baiul, who is still vilified in the Russian media TO THIS DAY and made fun of for being an alcoholic (despite having been sober for YEARS). And then you have that hot mess Oksana Grishchuk, who went as far to change her name from Oksana to Pasha for a spell.
It's too bad bc I think it's a beautiful name. Obviously I will never have children, but I would consider naming a daughter Oksana 😍.
@@thesovgc 😲 Definitely, WAG-RG-FS. Not a coincidence, nonono. My _doghter_ was named Oksana after Kosti. Four legged ones are the only children I' ll have. 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Awesome thank u for ur time loved this
Thansk for the VDO. I agree with most of your explanation 😄
I can't even imagine the impact on the shoulders those front Salto on vaults would generate! Ouch!
I love the fluidity and grace of the old gymnastics before the current CoP.
Great video. I really love Omelianchics beam as well. Hope you are feeling better now 🤗
🤗 It comes and goes, unfortunately 😭
@@thesovgc I understand
@@georgiadonald1588 I'm very happy about how well this video is doing at least 😂. It's gotten twice the number of views in 36 hours than my Gina Gogean video has garnered in six months 😍
I really appreciate the choise of today´s gymnast you show us in comparison with the old ones. This one is for me a typical perfomer of today´s bad style. Power, no artistry, sad reality.
I love old gymnastics
that girls aloud t shirt is iconic
Haha thanks! (the background music is their song Androgynous Girls 😍)
You are not alone Wally!
do you have the link to Olga’s olomocu beam?
@@d4m0n97 no, it was deleted 😥. You can see some of it in my video about Mostepanova
I unlisted it, but here is the link ruclips.net/video/IXGlrfP4UlE/видео.html
I agree and disagree. I certainly enjoy routines from this era more, but I can see why the code needed to change. Back in the day, it seemed that judging was based on intuition and many of the rules mentioned in the code were enforced randomly at best and selectively at worst. I was watching the 1972 event finals (admittedly a bit earlier than the period you are discussing) and the scores on vault were announced almost before the gymnasts were off the mat, which is very suspect to me. At least today, you can see what deductions are being taken more clearly. If the panel makes a decision, it is actually possible to figure out after the fact why they made their choices. But at the same time nearly all routines today have low energy dance and terrible code whoring and the code isn't really doing anything to fix it, aside from downgrading skills.
In figure skating, I think the move away from the 6.0 system arguably led to a golden period, at least for me. Competitors like Mao Asada, Kim Yuna, and Carolina Kostner have extremely good artistry. Kim was rewarded for her eccelent technique with the highest scores. Mao was rewarded for her triple axle but righly deducted for her terrible flutz. Of course today everything has gone to shit, with no objective judging on jumps and even worse judging for component scores. But an open scoring system isn't inheretly antithetical to artistry or excelent technique, it just needs to be done right.
Hahaha exactly! I had passed through 96 _ 12 …… I know the base but they keep upgrading and downgrade
Not only the code got worst but it seems that gymnastics technic also got worst, in particular on beam. I was watching 2024 Beam finals, having been away from gymnastics since 2009/2010-ish and a BB final with 5 people falling and the 3 that didn't fall having big unbalances or persistent wabbles was bizarre.
We had people in beams in 90-2004 doing all sorts of stuff on beam and doing it solidly and then we look at 2024 and people are wobbling on wolf jumps.
Talk about Andrade, please
I actually thought about doing a video recapping the 2022 Worlds Floor Final so you may get your wish! 💗
@@thesovgc Thank you, handsome 😍
I probably know just about everything about gymnastics as well. I watched all the old rewinds but I. I have to say I think you're a little obsessed what I miss out now. Today is that no one does a car wheel or a backhand Spring or anything on floor that resembles what a girl can do in her back yard. So we're losing all the girls you know that I have to use jump split double twitch turns it's just f*****? Up
I think there's a typo in your reply so I'm not sure if you're complimenting or insulting me 💀
I just caught this video following the 2024 olympics. For the record, I think the wolf turn is one of the least attractive skills on either floor or beam. I wish it would go away.
what happened to you man, you disappered for 3 weeks
Depression is a bitch 😢
@@thesovgc what happened? I had terrible weeks too
@@thesovgc you deleted?
No.. RUclips is and idky
@@thesovgc Oh My Goth🤦🏻♀️, it' s you, dorogoy!!!🥹 It' s fka _Wally-delirious-typography_ I swear to Omelianchik' s birdy floor and Timoshenko' s Dirty Diana' s ribbon that I was about to comment: "This dysthymic soviet b*tch is back and (something very close to) happy to know about you again". But then I read what' s going on🥺. I' m with you, tovarish, not only in our passion but also in our path. Sending my best best best wishes. May Saint Oksana Kóstina from The Baikal Lake take care of you🙏🏼. 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Her name is YURCHENKO. It is Ukrainian in origin, not Russian. Russian pronunciation rules do not apply. There are several famous female athletes and female actors named YURCHENKO. There are also other former female Soviet gymnasts whose names end in “O.” It is not an English mistake, but an attempt to apply Soviet rules on a Ukrainian name. Please stop saying YURCHENKA…it’s incorrect.
@@joedavich5117 she was born in Norilsk. Last time I looked at a map, it wasn't in the Ukraine 😘. Please listen to any Soviet television broadcasts of the time and they will pronounce her name the same way 🤷♂️
Also, Russian is Natalia's mother tongue and that is how her surname is pronounced in Russian. You're just wrong here.
@@thesovgcI love it when folks are used to hearing a name pronounced incorrectly and correct folks pronouncing it correctly. I mean I have done it, but I learned my lesson and definitely double check once I’ve heard a new pronunciation. 😂
I cringe every time you say yurchenka.
Why? It's how you pronounce her name 😭
@@thesovgc you're the only one I've ever heard say that. I've only ever heard Yurchenko
@@c140075 Probably because you've never heard Russian commentary
ruclips.net/video/MJX-v1gHnHQ/видео.html
You are not alone Wally!