The 'pedal dance' works. Warm up the car. Turn it off and back on. Within 30 seconds do the following. E-brake (x3 -> hold) Brake (x3 -> hold) E-brake (x3 -> hold) Brake (x2) Both TC/ASC turn off completely. It's like an old-school NES cheat code.
Hey Brett thanks to you and the team at MRT for posting this - heard various comments on the forums but there's no substitute for seeing these things tried and explained in a vid like this. Cheers
For all you FRS/GT86/BRZ fans, there is a way to shut *every electronic aid* off except ABS...this is perhaps not recommended unless you're in an open track or know what you're doing but if are looking for that extra degree of freedom then perform the following: 1. Warm the car *completely* up until the engine temp gauge is in the middle then turn the car off 2. Turn the car back on and within 30 seconds perform the following maneuvers 3. Pull the e-brake 3 times and leave it fully engaged on the 3rd time 4. Pump the brakes 3 times and hold down the brake pedal on the 3rd time 5. Disengage the e-brake and exactly like before pull it 3 more times and leave it fully engaged on the 3rd time 6. Release the brakes and press the pedal 3 more times, on the 3rd time the 2 yellow lights that normally come on by holding the TRAC OFF will appear on the dash Obviously release the e-brake again and there you have it. You may notice that pushing the TRAC OFF and VSC SPORT won't engage the electronic aids at this point...in fact, you will have to completely turn off your car again to get the aids back on. Enjoy
TK well it isn't like they could confirm when you were even in the mode..it is just an extra form of taking the driving aids off just like holding the traction control for a few seconds.
I'm with katanaburner on this. I think commenters have missed the point of the video. Cheers Brett, I'll be sending this on to a mate who has one and might be interested in watching.
Everything we can tell and show is in the video :) We have more recent data that we tested that further reinforces what we have shown. There is also a manual setting that can be implemented to turn the Stability and VDC off and Still keep ABS ON, but its too complicated to explain here as its a series of brake pedal, handbrake, clutch and eng start ona dn off applications :)
HI Brett, Having tried every combination, which mode would you say would be quicker on a skidpan? In other words, what settings would you use for a motorkhana? Dave
The video was designed to show you the differences in how the car behaves with different settings, not how well he can drift. Semi slicks in the wet isn't the easier thing either by the way.
I don't understand why there is so much hate on this vid. He didn't say anything about being a professional at drifting. From what I can see he's showing what the BRZ is capable of doing let alone what each function does. He in no way is trying to teach someone how to drift. Personally I liked this cause I'm two months away from buying a BRZ and I personally would like to see someone use the functions of this car and not just drive it.
weird, on my brz limited, when i hold the traction button for 3-5 seconds, it doesn't seem to have ANY computer assistance at all. I've done lots of power slides/drifts and I've never heard the ABS kick on. I HAVE however, heard it come on when VSC Sport is on. That barely lets me get the rear out at all before it uses ABS to tuck the rear back in. No fun. I wonder if they changed the settings on the American model to let you turn it all off or newer firmware or what? Or maybe yours was intervening because of the extremely slick surface? I'm really curious now
you know what, we just had a ton of snow this month and I came to find out that even with it ALL turned off, if the wheel spin happens too easily, like from being on ice, ABS does kick in, but if you push the pedal to the floor, the ABS stops interfering. It only kicks in enough at low speeds and low pedal input to try to help, but if you floor it and it realizes you're WANTING wheelspin, it gives up and lets you go nuts.
5ky I believe what is happening is the inner corner tyer is braking to assist in the turn , not actually abs, its one of the features to help on the track but when your trying to drift \ countersteering you dont really want the car to touch the front brakes because it will take the load off the rear
Warren Yaro No it's not the pedal dance is easier, the abs fuse literally controls just the abs, and losing that is a disadvantage. Using the pedal dance literally disables EVERYTHING except for ABS all from inside the vehicle and it stays that way till you restart....
I own an FR-S here Stateside.. No problem drifting, 360 donuts, precise 180, etc. VSC does NOT interfere when disabled. I am a professional driver and instructor.
A Toyota salesman told me this while being on a test ride. Of course I haven't had the chance to test it that extensively. But I haven't noticed any interference of the system while circling around in the hills.
Great video, but as much as I still like the car it's almost like they failed in the design. I know we are looking at the BRZ but really it's Toyota's baby of recreating the AE86. Both the old sedan and hatch are almost more comfortable sideways than they are straight. It's sad but watching you wrestle with the wheel makes me thing that even an Mazda MX5 would be easier to control when sideways - wet or dry.... and I was so excited to get this as my next work car...
Great video! I got a 2014 Scion FRS. Used to have a Toyota Celica GTS. What would you recommend is the best setting to drift/ doughnuts/burnouts? Thanks! :)
What do you mean @ 1:53 when you say that the TRC will default to on if used on its own? Does this mean I cant go over that speed without it turning its self on. Like does this mean that after the fastest part of a track I must stop completely to turn the TRC back off before drifting?
This is a good video and I like what you demonstrate. I just want to make sure before I take your advice, that you don't also recommend how to record audio?
I am not going to get into an argument over who is right or wrong, let me just say that many things can effect the ability of a car to carry a slide, tyres is just one of them :)
In the second part VSC is in sport mode, traction control is off. In other words, you can do a burnout in a straight line, but once the car starts rotating it takes control away from you. VSC sport on a dry track in a stock car isn't really noticeable against just having everything 100% on. It allows the car to step out about 10 degrees then cuts power/activates abs at one of the wheels, instantly pointing you in a straight line with enough speed scrubbed to continue steering through the turn. Unfortunately at that point, you're out of the power band and picking your teeth off the steering wheel. If I wanted any amount of traction/stability on, I'd just as soon have both systems on full to reduce the jarring effect of once it kicks in. That said, as far as TC/stability goes, if you have both systems on and as long as you're not in ice and snow, it's damn near impossible to unsettle this car. You'll take a wet ramp at speed, hit a bump or a slick spot, and feel one of the brakes just ever so slightly modulate to keep things from getting hairy. On the other hand, with the stock tires and all systems off, it's remarkably easy to make heroic recoveries from unintended oversteer, so long as you use a modicum of throttle control.
Neil Bolin I do have one question for you. Say I'm driving on dry windy road, should I keep my VSC on and TC off for the best performance? Please help as I recently bought an frs and still in the learning mode. Thanks.
Nobody has heard of the pedal dance in these cars? My car doesn't support that anymore because of my tune but the pedal dance turns off absolutely everything.
Hey guys, you need to do this vid again with a new car. My MY15 BRZ VSC mode definitely feels different to my MY13. The VSC doesn't cut in as agressively as the old car, and keeps things much smoother.
+Rhys Lapa When drifting, the easiest way (at least what I was told) is to get into a reasonable gear (3rd for example) and then drop into the lower gear, kick the clutch and slam the wheel to one side and then immediately counter-steer.
not until you pull the fuse, and unless your not a good driver you wouldn't notice it intruding, I have seen this on my mustang as well, companies assume the driver is inexperienced so they don't allow a full disable of the driver aids, only real way is to pull the fuse on them
If you want to drift this car... look up the pedal dance. It works great. Pulling the fuse can be dangerous. Don’t do it. Multiple people have got in accidents because of it.
It might not be for everyone, but another quick fix is to remove the ABS fuse. This of course also deactivates the ABS, but it completely removes any TC and prevents 'snow mode' while braking.
hmm, I will check, but sorry, I think you have been mis-informed... do some really tight turns in a car park, and you will feel the stability control kick in
if you are here to just take the piss out of me, then I have better time, if we can help, please ask. and BTW, look closer we have much more than 4 subscribers!
MRT Performance True, it is quite a complex routine. I'll copy paste it here just for the sake of it. Pedal Dance: (warm engine) 1. 3X e-brake (leave up on 3rd) 2. 3X brake (hold down on 3rd) 3. 3X e-brake (leave up on 3rd) 4. 2X brake
Prove that it is there. Show me how it intrudes, please. What stability control is it offering? Are you sure you aren't confusing the front lockup with the abs e-dist?
Also, this guy isn't that great at controlling this car. Sorry. Way too much wheel work, wrestling it too hard. And when he tried in second gear, he gave her too much throttle compared to the speed he was going.
Pssst... you dont actually have to pull the fuse out, to shut everything off 100%. While the car is on and warmed up tug the hand brake 3 times and hold it, than press the brake 3 times, followed by hand brake 2 times again. and its off.
Nice choice of words, NOT, I always say everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it does not get personal, in this case you fail badly at this.. You may note we never block or ban people like you.
The 'pedal dance' works.
Warm up the car. Turn it off and back on. Within 30 seconds do the following.
E-brake (x3 -> hold)
Brake (x3 -> hold)
E-brake (x3 -> hold)
Brake (x2)
Both TC/ASC turn off completely. It's like an old-school NES cheat code.
Hey Brett thanks to you and the team at MRT for posting this - heard various comments on the forums but there's no substitute for seeing these things tried and explained in a vid like this. Cheers
For all you FRS/GT86/BRZ fans, there is a way to shut *every electronic aid* off except ABS...this is perhaps not recommended unless you're in an open track or know what you're doing but if are looking for that extra degree of freedom then perform the following:
1. Warm the car *completely* up until the engine temp gauge is in the middle then turn the car off
2. Turn the car back on and within 30 seconds perform the following maneuvers
3. Pull the e-brake 3 times and leave it fully engaged on the 3rd time
4. Pump the brakes 3 times and hold down the brake pedal on the 3rd time
5. Disengage the e-brake and exactly like before pull it 3 more times and leave it fully engaged on the 3rd time
6. Release the brakes and press the pedal 3 more times, on the 3rd time the 2 yellow lights that normally come on by holding the TRAC OFF will appear on the dash
Obviously release the e-brake again and there you have it. You may notice that pushing the TRAC OFF and VSC SPORT won't engage the electronic aids at this point...in fact, you will have to completely turn off your car again to get the aids back on.
Enjoy
I read about this on the forums. just bought a '16 86. my question is, will this void anything warranty-wise?
TK no
+Hakeem Al-Kazak appreciate the info, hope it's correct
TK well it isn't like they could confirm when you were even in the mode..it is just an extra form of taking the driving aids off just like holding the traction control for a few seconds.
+Hakeem Al-Kazak ok, just wasn't sure if that would be electronically recorded
I'm with katanaburner on this. I think commenters have missed the point of the video. Cheers Brett, I'll be sending this on to a mate who has one and might be interested in watching.
Everything we can tell and show is in the video :) We have more recent data that we tested that further reinforces what we have shown. There is also a manual setting that can be implemented to turn the Stability and VDC off and Still keep ABS ON, but its too complicated to explain here as its a series of brake pedal, handbrake, clutch and eng start ona dn off applications
:)
Means a lot to us that you read the comments, thanks!
HI Brett,
Having tried every combination, which mode would you say would be quicker on a skidpan? In other words, what settings would you use for a motorkhana?
Dave
The video was designed to show you the differences in how the car behaves with different settings, not how well he can drift. Semi slicks in the wet isn't the easier thing either by the way.
I liked the bit when he was concentrating.
I never said it interferes with drifting, however it does do what we showed :)
thanks for your feedback
I don't understand why there is so much hate on this vid. He didn't say anything about being a professional at drifting. From what I can see he's showing what the BRZ is capable of doing let alone what each function does. He in no way is trying to teach someone how to drift. Personally I liked this cause I'm two months away from buying a BRZ and I personally would like to see someone use the functions of this car and not just drive it.
I have instructed at Toyota roll out events for the FR-S in the states. It is off when fully disabled. Maybe your RHD BRZ is different...
weird, on my brz limited, when i hold the traction button for 3-5 seconds, it doesn't seem to have ANY computer assistance at all. I've done lots of power slides/drifts and I've never heard the ABS kick on. I HAVE however, heard it come on when VSC Sport is on. That barely lets me get the rear out at all before it uses ABS to tuck the rear back in. No fun. I wonder if they changed the settings on the American model to let you turn it all off or newer firmware or what? Or maybe yours was intervening because of the extremely slick surface? I'm really curious now
you know what, we just had a ton of snow this month and I came to find out that even with it ALL turned off, if the wheel spin happens too easily, like from being on ice, ABS does kick in, but if you push the pedal to the floor, the ABS stops interfering. It only kicks in enough at low speeds and low pedal input to try to help, but if you floor it and it realizes you're WANTING wheelspin, it gives up and lets you go nuts.
5ky I believe what is happening is the inner corner tyer is braking to assist in the turn , not actually abs, its one of the features to help on the track but when your trying to drift \ countersteering you dont really want the car to touch the front brakes because it will take the load off the rear
Pedal Dance time ;)
Pulling the abs fuse out is way simpler and it cuts off all aids without a doubt.
Warren Yaro
No it's not the pedal dance is easier, the abs fuse literally controls just the abs, and losing that is a disadvantage. Using the pedal dance literally disables EVERYTHING except for ABS all from inside the vehicle and it stays that way till you restart....
I own an FR-S here Stateside.. No problem drifting, 360 donuts, precise 180, etc. VSC does NOT interfere when disabled. I am a professional driver and instructor.
So, which set up you recommend? I'm driving it tomorrow in a controlled environment. Great fun!
A Toyota salesman told me this while being on a test ride. Of course I haven't had the chance to test it that extensively. But I haven't noticed any interference of the system while circling around in the hills.
Great video, but as much as I still like the car it's almost like they failed in the design. I know we are looking at the BRZ but really it's Toyota's baby of recreating the AE86. Both the old sedan and hatch are almost more comfortable sideways than they are straight. It's sad but watching you wrestle with the wheel makes me thing that even an Mazda MX5 would be easier to control when sideways - wet or dry.... and I was so excited to get this as my next work car...
Great video! I got a 2014 Scion FRS. Used to have a Toyota Celica GTS. What would you recommend is the best setting to drift/ doughnuts/burnouts? Thanks! :)
What do you mean @ 1:53 when you say that the TRC will default to on if used on its own? Does this mean I cant go over that speed without it turning its self on. Like does this mean that after the fastest part of a track I must stop completely to turn the TRC back off before drifting?
We will ;publish this shortly as we are now doing more testing!
:)
This is a good video and I like what you demonstrate. I just want to make sure before I take your advice, that you don't also recommend how to record audio?
Where will you publish this information? on RUclips or do you have some kind of blog like Jeff Perrin has? ;)
Exactly one option that we show how to do in the video
:)
Cheers helpful was wondering how they worked on GT86.
I am keen to know how you tested this?
time to test the 2017 modes, they changed it, hope you got a nicer cams and sound quality.
I am curious to know on how you measured that?
Great video as usual Brett however the sound was a little off.....thanks for the info tho and looking forward to your future videos.
I am not going to get into an argument over who is right or wrong, let me just say that many things can effect the ability of a car to carry a slide, tyres is just one of them :)
cusco vsc canceler module will solve this with minimal headache, no pedal dance, no fuse removal.
1:30. Car does not have to be stationary for it to work like that. I've done that in motion on my BRZ and works just the same as in the video.
What mods were on the car at the time of this video?
Would that be next years model?
I agree holding that button doesn't make it off 100%. I must try pulling the fuse now that I know which one it is!
This video is not clear. In the second part with vsc on is traction control on or off? ?????
In the second part VSC is in sport mode, traction control is off. In other words, you can do a burnout in a straight line, but once the car starts rotating it takes control away from you. VSC sport on a dry track in a stock car isn't really noticeable against just having everything 100% on. It allows the car to step out about 10 degrees then cuts power/activates abs at one of the wheels, instantly pointing you in a straight line with enough speed scrubbed to continue steering through the turn. Unfortunately at that point, you're out of the power band and picking your teeth off the steering wheel. If I wanted any amount of traction/stability on, I'd just as soon have both systems on full to reduce the jarring effect of once it kicks in. That said, as far as TC/stability goes, if you have both systems on and as long as you're not in ice and snow, it's damn near impossible to unsettle this car. You'll take a wet ramp at speed, hit a bump or a slick spot, and feel one of the brakes just ever so slightly modulate to keep things from getting hairy. On the other hand, with the stock tires and all systems off, it's remarkably easy to make heroic recoveries from unintended oversteer, so long as you use a modicum of throttle control.
Neil Bolin I do have one question for you. Say I'm driving on dry windy road, should I keep my VSC on and TC off for the best performance? Please help as I recently bought an frs and still in the learning mode. Thanks.
You can also do the "pedal dance" to disable EBD
hey we just show what we learn. I could have edited the file to make me look good but the aim of our data is to help people :)
thanks for your feedback nick :)
can you explain how to do this somewhere else?
thanks for your feedback :)
so VSC sport makes anyone look good at drifting sweet!
Nobody has heard of the pedal dance in these cars? My car doesn't support that anymore because of my tune but the pedal dance turns off absolutely everything.
not the abs :D
size91 True unfortunately... My pedal dance doesn't work anymore though due to my tune.
does the pedal dance only works for manual trans??????? because i tried it on my brz auto and it disnot work
The pedal dance does the exact same thing as holding down the traction button for thee seconds. People just never read their owners manual.
helped me a great deal with learning about my frs.
With tyres that have grip and this car wont carry a slide, thats why its delivered from the factory with low grip tyres ;)
Think there should be an option in all sport cars where you can fully turn it off.trc.
Hey guys, you need to do this vid again with a new car. My MY15 BRZ VSC mode definitely feels different to my MY13. The VSC doesn't cut in as agressively as the old car, and keeps things much smoother.
Good to hear that. I hate the VSC on my 13. With everything off I dont feel any intervention. This may have been a pre production car?
not sure what you mean?
normally aspirated, huge grippy tyres and rims, lots of suspension mods. Sorry too much to list!
If you have one of the newer mustangs, there IS a way to actually completely turn off the driver aids...
cant you just take out the TCS and STC fuses out?
Does is drift at low rpms? At what rpms does it start to drift?
Drift at low gear with traction control off.
+Rhys Lapa When drifting, the easiest way (at least what I was told) is to get into a reasonable gear (3rd for example) and then drop into the lower gear, kick the clutch and slam the wheel to one side and then immediately counter-steer.
BTW I never claim to be a perfect driver nor am I scared to show every thing not just a nicely edited drift!
not until you pull the fuse, and unless your not a good driver you wouldn't notice it intruding, I have seen this on my mustang as well, companies assume the driver is inexperienced so they don't allow a full disable of the driver aids, only real way is to pull the fuse on them
thanks
:)
happy new year
The on screen text was very informative, however the animation of it coming on screen is distracting, a quick fade would have been better.
Great video Brett :)
our car now has boost is what I was referring
If you want to drift this car... look up the pedal dance. It works great.
Pulling the fuse can be dangerous. Don’t do it. Multiple people have got in accidents because of it.
Why did they take off the fuse? they could just press and hold both the VSC and TRC at the same time and all will be off.
its not fully off with that
You didn't listen to what the guy said in the video clearly...
koushinproductions It won't... BUT you can do the "brake dance" (foot foot, hand hand, foot foot with warm engine)
For some reason it looked like the thumbnail of this video was a pizza delivery driver teaching how to drift a BRZ. Still impressive though!
You do know in the brz thers a way to turn everything off without fidiling with the ecu
It might not be for everyone, but another quick fix is to remove the ABS fuse. This of course also deactivates the ABS, but it completely removes any TC and prevents 'snow mode' while braking.
yes, but its not 100% disabled :(
the car was hard to drift as we had semi slicks on at the time
hmm, I will check, but sorry, I think you have been mis-informed...
do some really tight turns in a car park, and you will feel the stability control kick in
yeah good question I need abs :) even while drifting.
sorry? What do you mean?
@Kyu1LL
yeah read the manual, it'll tell you to make sure the vehicle is stopped before you mess with any of that shit
if you are here to just take the piss out of me, then I have better time, if we can help, please ask.
and BTW, look closer we have much more than 4 subscribers!
Did he just compare an evo 10 to a BRZ while drifting...?
FR is the only choice.
We are about to publish data on how Toyota and Subaru secretly allow the function to be 100% off and keep the ABS on.
Stand by.........
it's a kind of safety rule that car manufactures are follwing since 2010 !
yes!
You don't need to take out a fuse to take off all the settings off
thanks!
Why not the "Pedal dance"?
most people cant remember it, plus when we did this video, it was not known
:)
MRT Performance True, it is quite a complex routine. I'll copy paste it here just for the sake of it.
Pedal Dance: (warm engine)
1. 3X e-brake (leave up on 3rd)
2. 3X brake (hold down on 3rd)
3. 3X e-brake (leave up on 3rd)
4. 2X brake
thanks
:)
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exactly
Prove that it is there. Show me how it intrudes, please. What stability control is it offering? Are you sure you aren't confusing the front lockup with the abs e-dist?
U forgot about the pedal dance
Great!
as far as i'm concerned you have to push the VSC Button for 10 seconds to deactivate it completly.
sweet
we wish!
Actually not 100% off, near to it, there is a new way to turn it off 100% but we need to do a final test
;)
nice video but i can only hear 70% of it.
the car doesn't need to be stationary to press and hold for full off... at least US Spec FRS doesn't
my apologies, I didn't watch the whole way. great video btw
thanks :)
Also, this guy isn't that great at controlling this car. Sorry. Way too much wheel work, wrestling it too hard. And when he tried in second gear, he gave her too much throttle compared to the speed he was going.
more testing to do
;)
naaa they are all the same globally. its hard to diagnose and feel but it is there
Pssst... you dont actually have to pull the fuse out, to shut everything off 100%. While the car is on and warmed up tug the hand brake 3 times and hold it, than press the brake 3 times, followed by hand brake 2 times again. and its off.
yes, bujt many people cant get that done right!
:)
MRT Performance maybe they need traction control.
its getting boost :)
pedal dance work
The BRZ needs boost :(
Nice choice of words, NOT, I always say everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it does not get personal, in this case you fail badly at this..
You may note we never block or ban people like you.
so frantic. i think you should have had a good 1 hour practicing before you filmed.
for your info, i got the word "skid pan" from someone that i replied to (james reynold)..u FAIL...HAHA
i think its a proven fact that NO MAN can talk and drift at the same time...