FYI. You missed a nice thing at the start of the questline. When you are speaking to-be warlocks (9 of them). The "mage" and the goblin runs away...if you follow them, you can see them being slaugtered by 2 felhounds that just appear from shadows.
Considering what a certain Naaru wanted to do to Illidan, it seems logical that Lightforged Draenei Warlocks would exist for the purpose of forcefully converting demons into Lightbound.
Thing is, our presumption was that by imbuing Illidan with light, she would purge all the Gel, cut his connection to it and restore his body to a pre-Fel time. It's not like he gets fel and light. Rather one replaces the other. Now this BS of being able to control both is just lame and goes against the previously established Lore.
@@JamailvanWesteringillidan may have been a night elf but has since traded his humanity for demonhood. His metamorphosis was completed upon consumption of the skull of guldan Alliance and horde races hate each other. Still slay old gods and lich kings together when necessary
@@JamailvanWestering Illidan is a demon. He is way past being just an elf. That's why he was able to be reborn in Legion. Cause even though we slew his body in TBC, he has an immortal demon soul and was still alive in the nether. He himself says so during the DH intro.
52:00 Shivarra have actually been an option for warlocks since Legion as a Glyph that replaced the Succubus, all the Warlock demon glyphs were renamed into grimoires now, they're also account wide so you just need to buy/obtain them once and you get them on all your warlocks. Warlocks did lose Observer as an option for the felpuppy though sadly.
Also In pandaria before WoD, you also got a tier 90lvl talent that changed your demons into empowered versions, imp to tel imp, voidealker to voidlord, felhunter to observer, succu to shivarra, felguard to wrathguard(?) ( The dual wielding 4 handed felguards) and also your Infernal to abyssal and doomguard to....? I'm afraid I don't remember the name.
Undead only had priest because the shadow spec is very important to them, but of course, that means that holy undead had to be canon. You've pretty much proven that this is a slippery slope.
Sir Zeliek was said to be a very special case though in lore, and suffered immense pain when using the light. But this was back when NPCs were allowed to be stronger than a Random adventurer, and we weren't the Commander Champion Speaker of the Azeroth Horde Dragon Walker...
Can see the Lightforge being warlock from Nobbles point of view and from a view of the light controls and enslaves demons, so it can work in more than one aspect of the zealotry of lightforged
considering just how zealous ? the lightforged are about their ways i can def see this as a we have learned how to use fel specifically to enslave them in a way a regular race would not do it specifically for how extreme they can be about their mission
Before ask ( before shadowlands bull sh) saw lightforge dredlords so possible have lightforge demons just lightforge forcing light into demon or use fel more experiment see way convert demon more easily that idea i go for
About them bringing back Medan as you said, what if they did bring him back maybe he could be a bard? Bard’s in DnD are jack of all trade casters capable of harnessing the powers of all magic types in the game pretty much, which would not only be a cool concept for a class but a surprising take on Medan, while simultaneously explaining how the powers of Warcraft can intermingle with each other.
Maybe think this way, in fantasy games like some famous TTRpgs as Dungeons & Dragons, warlocks are sorcerers who draws powers from powerful sources beyond the mortal world, pacts magicans that borrows power from say a powerfull beign. So say a Lightforged Draenei makes a pact with a Naruu - the Draenei been gifted with a small portion of the power the naruu posses but in return subjegate or slay evil creatures such as demon or void creatures.
I'm sorry Nobbel but i always thought you were younger than you look. you sound like you're closer to 20ish to me. I love all your stories. I took 7 years away from the game and your videos helped me get caught up on Lore! Thank you!!
And he is also the dreadlord from felwood and one of the dreadlords in legion prepatch event i thought he was a random cameo untill this point appearantly he is one the dreadlords we havent killed
At this point they might as well give us Night Elf paladins and Human druids. I mean honestly, when Blizzard throws all logic out the window, no point in giving a shit anymore
@@csanadjakab7717 Why? Because I'm right that nothing matters anymore when a super soldier forged from literal light can be/use the very magic they were forged to fight against?
@@csanadjakab7717 because most people don't know shit about the World of Warcraft. Most people playing today started with Legion or later and have never heard of the RTS games and novels. These are the people wanting Manari and LF Warlocks and Undead and Orc Paladins and Tauren Rogues and all that shit. Because they can't get in their head that there is established lore (that's probably older than them let's be honest here) for immersion that is way more important than childish urges like "lol I wanna play a cow rogue named Beefstab rofl rofl rofl" because let's be honest that's the core of it. People always want what they don't have doesn't matter how little sense it makes and afterwards they cry about WoW feeling unimmersive.
I really wish the Black Harvest title was still around, just hard to get. I wasn't playing when the green fire quest was introduced, so I never had the chance at it. :( Can't be helped I suppose. New warlock quest was real good though! Hoping we see more like it for other classes.
Its ok. There are those of us who completed and quit before WOD and we were never given the title even if some of us were one the first 7 to beat it on our realm. When they had GMs the excuse was "well you were playing this character for 3 days since you came back (BFA) so we cant confirm you actually did." Despite never stepping foot on the timeless isles since coming back they would not budge. Despite this our conversation went on about how the mechanics of the fight had been changed to make it more doable which was a completely different fight.
As someone who does have the title, I'd be fine with it. The exclusivity means nothing to me. Same reason I want t3 actually added back in a way that doesn't cost millions and suffer from absolutely DOG rng.
@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL After encountering that issue in BFA I quickly thought about it and realized it's nothing. I know and my friends know I was the 7th ti get it done on my realm I did get a ton of gold offers to play other people's accounts but I declined. I can still remember every detail of the fight to this day. Anyway all good .
Funny lore fact: Initiate Oman has yellow glowing eyes when he starts his warlock career and then throughout the questline gets a green fel eye and turns blind on 1. I wonder if Draenei and Lightforged Draenei go through body changes if they practice fel magic for a longer period of time, this is also how the man'ari came to be.
If Blizzard actually cared about lore, they could've did something cool with LF warlocks like making their spell effects light themed ("Holyfire", lightbound demon minions, etc.) But what do I know? After all, all of that alone would most likely cost us a raid tier! 😩 *...Good*
@@Lupinemancer87 I'd imagine that pandaren warlocks would have learned to control and master their negative emotions at some point. This is a thing that some people have been talking about here, lately. Giving race/class combinations their own spin on what elements they use for their spells and abilities.
I do got to ask about the NPC mentioning wrestling Kodo in Camp Taurajo. Is that camp rebuild? I remember it was burned down by those Alliance dogs during the cataclysm.
lightforged using fel as a warlock, isn't all that contradictory when you consider that can use the void as a shadow priest, the pure opposite of the light :)
It's about relgious conviction. The Void is the power-opposite to the Light, and effectively any LF'ed using the Void would be considered heresy - We CAN use LF'ed shadow priests ONLY due to mechanics. A LF'ed using FEL MAGIC on the other side is several times worse - literally using the corrupting power that destroyed the majority of their whole species, the very power they fought against for so long. Any LF'ed using Fel, any Draenei using Fel, any of them being Man'ari for that matter, would be an automatic kill-on-sight order from any and all authorities. Not that WoW RP'ers would care, we are going to have LOADS of these snow-flakes about when this goes live...
@@tereninsecundus6084 By this logic, warlock should not be playable by ANY race, period. That's why this take is so laughable. Why do you think only LF and Draenei would feel that way? In the eyes of ALL races, warlocks have ALWAYS been the bad guys that nobody likes. Haven't you noticed that all the warlock NPCs have always been hidden away in basements and sewers, or otherwise off to the side by themselves? "That would be heresy!" OK, and? It's *always* been heresy regardless of the race. That's the point.
@@Sharkofspace I know all that perfectly well, and the trops that Warlocks are BUILT on is the desire for power, even darker, evil risky power, in beings perfectly 'corruptible' by such means and such interest. That kind of desire did not avoid the Draenei, that's how 2/3 of the species turned to become daemons in the first place, and... The remaining 1/3 created WHOLE CULTURAL ENFORCEMENT MEANS and MADE THE PURPOSE OF THEIR EXISTENCE THE DESTRUCTION OF THAT CORRUPTIVE POWER TO BEGIN WITH. Humans, elves, Dwarves, Gnomes etc etc. all turning to Fel to get power is nothing new or anything to scoff at, their interactions with the Legion is documented after all, just like the Draenei. What sets the once-natives-of-Argus ASIDE however is the whole-scale devotion AGAINST it from that point onwards. The Lightforged even went so far as to REBUILD THEIR BODIES into weaponized forms devoted to their new, choosen power. That's why A Lightforged Warlock is such an absolutely absurd, idiotic choice. You make up petty, worthless excuses for why all of that effort and dedication and pure hard-core principled stance that DEFINE them and their history is to be cast aside by whoever feels that inclined. There should always be limitations based on lore and history, some things that some simply don't do or things they insist on doing. A LF'ed Paladin is 100% to be expected and natural. A Gnomish Warlock is also to be expected. A Gnomish Paladin can easily happen, nothing in lore stops that, but a LF'ed Warlock has significant and meaningful weight behind why it should not happen. If we take that away we undermine the value of the setting even more. We water down the whole aesthetic of the setting, world, plot, all of it, and for what? One more option for the player to pick in character creator? It's already absurd enough we would have red-skinned Man'ari PALADINS in the Alliance once that customization is released, and becoming Warlocks is simply to add a class fitting to that customization. A LF'ed Paladin is fitting. A Man'ari Warlock fits too, just not in the Alliance, as if they would ever tolerate that. A LF'ed Warlock fits just as little as a Man'ari Paladin does. And yet we are going to get both of those absurdities in the Alliance because... well, I guess nothing matters anymore, really. What's Tyralion's opinion on Man'ari and LF'ed Warlocks in the ranks going to be? Likely just a damn shrug, it's not like a man that became the first Human to be Lightforged, who fought the Legion for thousands of years along all these other people, and is right now the head of the Alliance, is going to have a single thing to say about his closest troops turning to Fel use or letting his sworn enemies join his ranks. Naah, no military leader has EVER been opposed to that, have they? This is a cheap move on Blizz's side made from a cynical 'more options no matter the cost' viewpoint, and you are fine with this, TOURIST, because you have never given a fuck about the integrity of the setting to the thing you are playing. Why would you? Head empty. No thoughts worth mentioning, it seems.
@@Sharkofspace Believe it or not all that "lore" talk was a thing back when Vanilla came out. Having playable warlocks at all as part of alliance and horde instead of some kind of "burning legion faction" was considered controversial.
So many undead models can equip gear and transmog, with some like northrend skeletons or vrykul zombies being able to display 2d transmog like belts, tabards and bracers. Most skeleton models are at least compatible with 3d parts of non-3d gear(3d pieces on chests, belts, bracers, legs, etc). DKs could have so much customization to their pets, with so many more undead types to use as well, but I don't see that happening for at LEAST another couple patches. Plus I doubt you'd be able to use your own gear transmog on your undead ever.
Why is this surprising we literally have confirmation from the Margrave in Shadowlands that confirms that it doesnt matter what energy you use for Necromancy, just changes how the end result looks. Callie being a prime example of this, this was further delved into that you can do this with all forms of magic with all types of energies that we know about. Fel Paladin? Holy Warlock? Possible
Margrave said that "necromancy" just looks different depending on the magic you use, he said nothing about fel paladins being possible, or holy warlocks. A holy warlock wouldn't be a warlock anymore, but a priest, so I am not sure what you're thinking here. But Margrave might've also said that out of pride and bigotry, not acknowledging the fact that the sort of necromancy the force of Death deals in, entails reanimating people as the Undead, whereas resurrection through the Light or Nature actually brings back not just the soul but the body entire as well, mending it from decomposition. Unless Blizz is playing fast and loose with the definition of necromancy here, Margrave is a figure in the SL who we're probably never ever going to meet again in the story of WoW. What he says does not necessarily apply to the universe like he himself believes. Remember how the chronicle series is written by the Titans and they are quite one-sided in their views, and might even be intentionally lying? Yeah.. something to take into account.
I loved the combo of race - class in the Classic WoW. I think that making classes that are designed specifically for one race available for all classes is quite stupid. My opinion. But lore-wise some such as warlock for lightforge draenai could match the lore considering the fact that some draenai went to Sargeras side.
Exactly. it eliminates the reason to play certain races because they had the afinity to practice a certain art of war (for example nightelf druids) Imagine how the game will look like if shaman paladin and druid become available for everyone: alliance will be full of dwarves because of the OP racial and horde is already bloodelf infested... it elminiates the entirety of a RPG to have everything available for every race.
@@Kenji-117 agree with you my friend. I heard the rumor that Blizzard will make all classes available for all races. I think that will break the game. I hope it won't happen though.
The only class in WoW that was ever designed for one single race is Evoker which is the most recent class from latest expansion. No class ever before that was one race only.
It drives me nuts how all the hunter pets and warlock pets are all the size of a dwarf! Why must my felguard be so tiny?? Warlocks are supposed to control huge badass demons, not tiny lil toys
I think its important to note in order to make the customs more of a time sink they PURPOSLY wiped ALL PLAYERS customs, folks that have had looks since LEGION had them taken. The same system added for druids in BFA, NOTHING was touched, ALL CUSTOMES were kept.
You paid 100 gold total for three glyphs eight years ago. Get over it. How is buying a grimoire on the AH to unlock the appearance account-wide a time sink?
@@lost1head you know fully well that that's not the reason. The reason is being an established race with culture and traditions. You don't change from that just because you interact with others. The Christians had to force the Pagans to convert by burning their sacred sites even though they interacted for a long time. Draenei would never accept Manari, Draenei would exile every Warlock out of their society, the Lightforged would kill fel or void influenced beings on the spot. Undead can't use the Light without tormenting themselves. It's clear why things are like they are to everyone except people that don't know shit about the lore of Warcraft.
Remember the opposite of Light is Void, not Fel. It’s weird, certainly, but there shouldn’t be anything in those two powers to suggest they can’t coexist
In older lore Fel and Void were almost interchangeable, both representing "darkness" as opposed to the Light. Death is in the same boat, necromancy being almost exclusively associated with the Fel-originated Scourge up until the druidic version of Death in Battle for Azeroth, and everything about Shadowlands (that also retcons the origin of the Scourge's magic). The 2016 Chronicle even says the Twisting Nether dimension is something like a merger of Light and Void, where it "bleeds together at the edges". However, many things about the Chronicle have already been re-retconned, so... lol So this is all pretty new stuff, that still doesn't mesh perfectly with established lore - and 25 000 years of in-universe history of Light and Fel. So there is actually a LOT to suggest they shouldn't be able to co-exist, but it COULD be solved for the sake of their ambition of bringing more classes to more races. All that remains to see is if it's solved in a satisfactory way, and I sadly don't think it will be.
Idk what everyone is on about. It makes perfect sense that beings infused with the light, who are so dedicated and staunch believers, who spent literally unfathomable amounts of time fighting the Legion, demons, and the forces of Fel, would finally turn to it after defeating their greatest enemy. Bitter sarcasm aside, sticking around for wow’s story seems pointless. They’ve run out of ideas after nearly two decades and at this point you can either stick around to see it fall apart with new stuff written, or watch as the old lore is rewritten to fit whatever the writer’s whims are for the new expansion. I get wanting to give more player freedom, but honestly I would have just said “yeah it makes zero sense and from a story point you should kinda just ignore it” over a shoehorned quest line and a terrible npc. (Side tangent, Draenei don’t have last names.)
This. This whole thing is 100% bullshit from any in-universe point of view. Making up any excuses is idiotic, as is any attempt to rationalize the Alliance allowing Man'ari DAEMONS, the very being that PERSOANLLY ENGINEERED ALL THE SUFFERING THEY HAVE FACED, to JOIN THEM. Holy shit I capitalize the issues here, but I still think a legion of brain-dead idiots are likely to argue in favor f this idiocy. Blizzard is blatantly out of ideas and give up any semblance of lore consistency just to shill a little more cosmetics or reason to justify another month of subs.
I mean let's be honest. Warlocks started out as the outcasts, loners, and n'er do wells on both factions. You don't really need some big lore organization or event for ANY race to have a few discontent or easily deceived individuals, even Lightforged.
@@deeznuttes9340 Sure, anyone getting annoyed at this do so for 'no reason' - I'm sure you can think of a few, but you don't give a shit, so why have an honest take on it, right? LF'ed using the Fel is as retarded as Gray Knights in 40K lore using Chaos weapons and items to fight daemons. It's retarded on the face of it.
@@Kbelikar Just because you succeed once doesn't mean you succeed always. Nor does it mean mean you'll forever agree with the road ahead, decisions of your superiors, be happy with how you're treated, never question your conviction, etc etc etc. If nothing else, say said Lightforged came across some Eredar who were but small children when Argus was taken over. Rather than putting them down like rabid animals, one might well want to try to use fel to keep them under control, particularly if they were lost family members. There's lots of reasons for any even them to try to fight fel with fel, as were, or fall into corruption.
@@wardenm This is pure cope, The Light can see into future aswell, the person would never become Lightforged, also I'm sure you can use The Light to subdue demons aswell and you know what else you can do? Cleanse them so they are no longer demons. No, still BS and horrible writing. No wonder numbers are still falling down.
could do the enlave part the right way, was packed of trolls killing it b 4 people could tag it, folks had to make group and fight over the ONE mob with 40+ people around
Yeah but if xera told them illadin would be the one to save them that could take them into believing more in the light because technically xera wouldn't be wrong. But you think fighting demons for thousands of years would have them abhor it all.
Lightforged Warlocks... To me, that's Blizzard just blatantly ignoring any logic in their own lore. In a Legion audio drama, Turalyon who was Lightforged couldn't even touch Valeera, who was only using Shadow at the time, not even a Void Elf yet. A very violent spark happened. Based on that information, if a Lightforged Draenei uses any kind of shadow magic, they'd explode! So this makes no sense! None at all. It's blizzard ignoring their own lore for lord knows what stupid reason. If Blizz won't follow their own story then I will and I'm just gonna ignore the existence of LF 'Warlocks'. Don't care what headcanon people come up with, it's impossible.
Those who complain about lightforged warlock also lost their shit about tauren paladins because they can't imagine paladins being anything else than silver hand churchgoers.
Mm. Even if the classic depiction of the class might not work, it should be common knowledge that theres massive gameplay/story segregation when it comes to classes. A lightforged warlock might be using the Fel very differently to an Orc warlock. Hell, they could even be using the light primarily to control and direct the fel. Just like how Tauren Paladins use the sun and druid abilities rather than the human church spells that we see in game. The idea that literally nobody in entire species would ever use powers that are freely available is laughable. Frankly the fact that lightforged weren't fielding warlocks already is a bit of a plothole, given they must have needed to get info out of demons from time to time, and they literally had light corrupted demons with them.
@@ASpaceOstrich yeah, Tauren mages are similar. They aren't scholars but direct the forces of nature to help their tribe. The chill of the winter, the warmth of a campfire and the stars of the night sky. I hope that we will see orc paladins one day, drawing their power not from the light but their ancestors and being dressed in ritualistic bone-armor.
While Order is most commonly perceived in reality as arcane magic, on the other hand, Disorder manifests as highly destructive fel magic, a destructive and extremely addictive energy originating as a result of the mutual destruction of Light and Void as they collide on a cosmic scale in the Twisting Nether.[9] Fel is fueled by drawing life from living beings and consuming their souls, utterly destroying them in the process.[9] It requires but an insignificant sacrifice-a living fish or two, a few strands of seaweed-to fuel the magic. From wowpedia.
Wrong and you pulled that out of your ass. Tauren Paladins were introduced in a time where Blizzard went to extra way to explain how they can be Paladins. They're Sun Druids that worshipü An'She and are more Warriors than Casters. Those who complain about LF Warlock simply know the lore and people like you don't. The fact you actually think Tauren Paladin and LF Warlock is a similar issue speaks volumes about you knowing absolutely nothing about the Warcraft universe. Can you explain to me why so many people feel the need to voice their opinions about things they don't know anything about? Why? You just love to look like idiots? Is that it?
@@ASpaceOstrich not a plot hole at all. You should read up again what Lightforged Draenei are, what they have been doing for thousands of years and what happened to anyone using Shadow, Void or Fel. X'era neutralized their existence because of heresy. There are no LF Warlocks for the same reason there were no jewish Nazis - it's literally antithetical. Like a Fire Elemental using Water Magic.
The only reason Lightforged are a problem in this case is because they were implemented as a race rather than as a skin specific to certain Draenei classes, same as Mag'har with regular Orcs. If they were just class skins there would be no inconsistency. As it is, though, we've now got inconsistency on the level of a devout Christian Priest of many decades turning to Satanism after watching a guy with horns desecrate a cross. We've even got precedence for class-specific skins, by the way. Death Knights all come with unique skin and hair color options that other classes have no access to.
You can beat Twinkle easily enough, trust me. Just set up your teleport/gateway, keep up Curse of Exhaustion, use Mortal Coil/Shadowfury/Fear if he gets too close for comfort, and use Burning Rush to kite him around the arena. Probably easiest as Affliction/Destro, since you don't need to worry about pet management and have some instant/fast cast damage with very little buildup, but Demonology should be able to do it as well. GL
I honestly don't mind and I never liked the idea that certain classes can only be played depending on your race. Maybe it's because I play DND a lot where there are no restrictions 😂 and there can always be a lore explanation because this isn't history, it's fiction lol You can make up anything and if undead can be priests, I don't see why they can't be warlocks
If it's treated like "it's just fiction" then the entire setting doesn't matter because you can just write Goku and John Cena. The restrictions are the bones and the musculature of the series, and those bones are why a bear looks obviously different than a scorpion. The hard rules that shouldn't be broken are what separate 1 game universe from an other. Just a super shit tier decision from Blizzard. Another L to pile up.
@@GitGudFox This is lore. Not rules. xD Huge difference there. I don't mind there being changes in lore as long as it makes sense. Yeah normally uncorrupted orcs or draenei couldn't be warlocks, but if there's a reason why they can and it's legitimate, then I don't really mind it because they gave a good explanation. Blood Elves couldn't be warriors either back then and Night Elves couldn't be mages, but that changed.
@@Yabuturtle Like I said, you might as well just add in Goku and John Cena if the lore is so non-vital. Why not just add in Gundam? Sailor Moon too. It's not against the rules. Just a absolutely retarded logic. The lore is what gives the game its identity. It's what makes it different from other fantasy universes. The rules should be RESPECTING the lore. There is such a huge difference between a Blood Elf becoming a Warrior and a Light Forged Draenei becoming a Warlock. That's such an incredibly stupid comparison.
@@GitGudFox What you're saying makes zero sense. Nobody is talking about crossovers with characters from completely different universes that would likely never come in contact. You're just exaggerating to the nth degree to make your point. Stories change over time, sometimes for the better or worse, but often in stories things that were established to be impossible at one point are now possible because of a certain event or thing. Stories evolve. If it made the changes and gave no explanation or a really bad or vague one, I could understand. As long as they do explain it then fine. Again people thought there would be no night elf mates but they explained why they decided that.
@@Yabuturtle "but often in stories things that were established to be impossible at one point are now possible because of a certain event or thing" yeah but no such thing happened with LF Warlocks. So it's literally you trying so hard to be right while being wrong. Night Elf mages were forbidden by Night Elven society because they were responsible for the Sundering in their eyes. Most Night Elves were ready to kill Arcane users on sight - but the Night Elves had over 10'000 years to deal with their grudges and there are quests and stories in game that explain their slow reintegration into Night Elf society. There is nothing of the sort for LF Warlocks they're literally antithetical to everything the LF stand for and they joined us in Legion so a few years ago not even a decade. There simply is no explanation to be found. Just seems like you don't know shit about the lore honestly.
Being infused with Light doesn't mean you can't wield what you want. They were also already Death Knights. Also like they can wield other stuff as a mage...or like wield shadow if a priest. I think people care to much tbh lol
@@MilkshakeGuruTTVLightforged reject meddling with darkness in their lightforging ritual, anyone who fails that, dies. It doesn't make sense at all and anyone who os fine with it never cared about WoW's lore.
@@Kbelikar Remember when we were told that the light just hurts undead yet they can be priests since vanilla? Sometimes for the sake of gameplay and fun the lore takes a step aside. Nobody wants class restrictions anymore.
@@MilkshakeGuruTTV Light hurts them. That doesnt mean they cant use it. Rejection is rejection, alternative is death. Removing class restrictions makes every race generic and boring copy of each other with no story behind them. But I'm mad most about not even one attempt to justify it. The questline is shit. No wonder old players keep leaving and new players don't stay. You never cared, I don't see a reason why anyone should tatter to your horrible fanfictions and fetishes. I'm Draenei RPer and I will keep ignoring nonsensical characters, lfd locks do not exists to me until I will see satisfaying explanation. Since you don't care about an important aspect of an mmo - worldbuilding, I no longer care about your opinion. Nobody should. I literally want only the explanation...
It would fit in with the Horde fully to allow and embrace the very daemons that supposedly 'corrupted' the Orcs, so I would not be surprised if this happened. The very beings that brought the Horde into existence are not part of it. Ironic, and fitting to anyone that realizes in-universe that the Horde needs to be disbanded for any lasting peace. And that's likely the only reasons Blizzard will never do it. It would be way to on-the-nose to do that, you can't claim to have 'shades of grey' for 'both factions' when one side's routinely pitch-black in the things they do. Adding the Man'ari to their ranks would just be adding another, deeper shade of black.
That would require introducing a new allied race instead of just a custom option. Which is way more work and on top of that they would also need to add new allied race for Alliance to keep it equal.
@@raydafuq3570 But I am ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that ***YOU*** will elaborate for us all on how nine in ten issues on Azeroth is caused by the Alliance, and that we will get a comprehensive elaboration on how evil said Alliance is! ... ... Right? You will elaborate, right? Take your L while you can, troll, and don't bother. Replying now with anything less than said comprehensive outline to prove your claims is going to dig your own grave deeper.
I'm glad that they're opening up race/class combos. Most MMOs let you play whatever you want, and WoW seems outdated by comparison. And let's be real, the old lore doesn't matter anymore since the writers retcon everything every expansion anyway :P
The lore hasn’t really been retconned here. Just contradicted to what has been established. This is even worse. This doesn’t add anything And no not every race should have acces to every class. It makes the races themselves less special and therefore your character less special. It’s why a lot of times those MMO’s failed because they’re wasn’t anything special about it
Would you also be a fan of Daemon Hunters opening their ranks to anyone out there? If not, why not? What's special about Night elves and Blood elves being Illidari? Oh right... everything to do with lore.
They've said that they eventually want every race to be every class, but druid and paladin specifically will be the hardest (And therefor, probably the last class to get that treatment.
@@oluftheexplorer9476 Are you serious? They have to make a new bear, cat, flight, travel, and moonkin form for each race... For paladin they have to make the summon mount for each race, and for shaman they have to make the totems.
@@oluftheexplorer9476 It's the Eredun word for Broken, the corrupted draenei subrace of Akama and Nobundo. As a faction they've been around since Warcraft 3, which is about four year before the draenei we can play as were introduced. They also make much more sense as Alliance rogues, shamans and warlocks than anything blizzard has released so far. It's likely they were intended to be the original look of playable draenei but were scrapped in favor of their prettier brethren. I guarantee that they'd have more of a playerbase than mechagnomes, though.
I see all the fight about the lighforged wielding fel magic. Now lets see what classes lighforged can be Paladin - OK, no worries light wielder. Mage - arcane comes from titans, that are different that the light, and fire/frost that is elemental magic, coming from the elemental planes, but no worries here too. Priest - light and shadow. Shadow magic in a lighforged? Jesus, nvm must be one experimenting, not the whole LF society. Death knight - so a light empowered being can use death magic. "but it's after it died" some may say, good, clever point. Now let's sum this up - a Lighforged Draenei can wield arcane, elemental, light, shadow, death magic. What is left? Fel and nature. Now ppl are arguing about the usage of fel magic, in 1-2 expansions noone will argue about the usage of nature magic by the same race, mark my words 😅
There is a difference between gameplay and lore. The fact you need to have this explained to you after two decades of WoW is shocking. There are LF Shadow Priests for the same reason there are Undead Holy Priests - so that your Undead or LF Priest is actually a playable Priest. ALL UD Priests are Shadow aligned in the lore with Alonsus Faol being the only exception and ALL LF Priests are Holy aligned. No exceptions because X'era would kill anything void touched that isn't Alleria in a heartbeat - she almost killed Alleria too. Fel is even more hated by the Army of the Light. All of those combinations are being introduced for solely gameplay reasons. There is zero lore supporting it.
Player characters aren't exemplars of their race. There is nothing stopping a Lightforged (who has endured eons of trauma under the Light and saw Xe'ra forcibly convert Illidan) from studying darker magics. I mean, if Xe'ra did it to Illidan, who's to say she didn't do it to other beings? Perhaps not all Lightforged went through the trials. And while the trials do allow for one to overcome certain emotions, we have seen with the Sha that these emotions can come back. Cultures aren't monoliths. Lightforged can be warlocks and it's fine.
Except that’s bs. Since we all know that the Lightforged hate the Fel and everything it represents. At the end of the day Illidan is still a night elf empowered by Fel and what she wanted to do was burn the Fel and replace it with the power of the Light.
@@JamailvanWestering Thats not how people work. The faction as a whole can be wholly opposed to something and individuals within it can still have their own opinions on it.
@@JamailvanWestering It may shock you to learn that crime exists despite being illegal. The faction may have no tolerance for something but that doesn't mean individuals within it could never end up doing it. Its really not hard to see how Fel using lightforged could be a thing, frankly its a bit of a plot hole they weren't doing it already, given Xe'ra was technically a fel using Naaru what with corrupting demons and trying to enslave Illidan.
Wrong, every single Lightforged went trough the trials, therefore this is bs, if not, it would be either dead or basic draenei. And they reject darkness in those trials.
What are you talking about? Zandalari can also be warlocks now. There's also a Zandalari woman at Madam Shadow's circus who hints at why Zandalari couldnt be warlocks before.
Before this happens we need to get human shamans since kul tirans and humans are effectively the same race and were even old allies in the 2nd and 3rd war. There were also plenty of human shamans around stormsong valley in BFA which would only make sense if humans were the next one to get a new class.
@@Kenji-117 But aren’t Kul Tirans mixed with Vrykul? I just think if Gnomes can be both Warriors and Priests, why can’t they be Paladins, which are in Theory just Priests in plate armor?
@@alyssumn3884 read up on the lore. I'm sick and tired of explaining people that Undead are antithetical to the Light just as Demons are. The Light destroys those beings. The fact that they're Undead cuts them off from the Light. There are very few exceptions and they're all big lore characters with special stories like Faol and Zeliek. And no Humans didn't use the Light before other races. Draenei did. LF Warlocks are fucking stupid as well they're literally the only race that would never become Warlocks.
@@raydafuq3570 I've read every book and comic. It causes pain but they use it. We've also never had a book fully focused on the Forsaken. Most lore is limited and or not canon. We can agree to disagree without you being a total "I know more than you" person lol
@@raydafuq3570 also humans used light before the Dreanai ever landed here. They may be older and have learned on their planet before but humans learned it long before they got here. Dreanai didn't teach humans how to use the light.
lightforged draenei warlocks are about as contradictory as undead death knights are a double down of being undead. holy fel as a concept sounds like it should be called truelight or divinechaos (shadowfrost, shadowflame, astral, holyfire)
@@jamieenoshima5147 i know the point i was making is that the forsaken are undead, and death knights are also undead. so it is a doubling down of undead. they are undead undead. also it bugs me that death knights are supposed to be undead but have a breath bar when actual undead don't.
@@blackblade99009 the Runeblade makes a Death Knight not being Undead by itself. That's why not every single Forsaken or Scourge Ghoul is a Death Knight...
@@raydafuq3570 that completely jumps over the point I was making, yes not all undead are death knights, but all death knights are undead and as such should follow the rules already set for undead. Much the same way squares are rectangles but rectangles are not squares.
Why I am the only one that think nigh elf, draenei and lightforged draenei is bullshit? Blizzard will always find people to justify this, but it's sad they can twist lore as they see fit without any logic.
Lfd lock doesn't make sense, they rejected meddling with darkness in their lightforging trials, anyone who fails that, dies. I'm RPer and I will ignore them. Anyone who is fine with that never cared about WoW's lore not even in slightest. (Why are you here then?) The questline didn't even tried to justify it. It's a joke.
why people still believe that warcraft lore was ever good is beyond me It was always filled with retcons and muh "gameplay first" nonsense, even the rts games. Sure bits and pieces were alright, but overall it is utterly nonsensical especially nowadays.
Warcraft 3 was good. But Warcraft was originally going to be a Warhammer game. You can see how they've ran out of things to copy. Even the pop culture got ridiculous. Mysterious Zandalari homeland? Just make it Wakanda bcz Carribean accent.
@@MrCarlWaxRaces should be more than skins. You used to be able to say that Draenei were light worshippers. Being a Draenei now means nothing because of the conflicting themes.
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Barbers have built up some pretty impressive alteration abilities over the last 20 years.
FYI. You missed a nice thing at the start of the questline. When you are speaking to-be warlocks (9 of them). The "mage" and the goblin runs away...if you follow them, you can see them being slaugtered by 2 felhounds that just appear from shadows.
D: MANNN SAD I MISSED
I really hope they will add more (and keep adding) class-related quests. It is so nice for immersion.
Considering what a certain Naaru wanted to do to Illidan, it seems logical that Lightforged Draenei Warlocks would exist for the purpose of forcefully converting demons into Lightbound.
Thing is, our presumption was that by imbuing Illidan with light, she would purge all the Gel, cut his connection to it and restore his body to a pre-Fel time. It's not like he gets fel and light. Rather one replaces the other.
Now this BS of being able to control both is just lame and goes against the previously established Lore.
1. Illidan is still a night elf just empowered by fel
2. The Draenei (the chosen children of the Naaru) hate Fel Magic
@@JamailvanWesteringillidan may have been a night elf but has since traded his humanity for demonhood. His metamorphosis was completed upon consumption of the skull of guldan
Alliance and horde races hate each other. Still slay old gods and lich kings together when necessary
@@JamailvanWestering Illidan is a demon. He is way past being just an elf. That's why he was able to be reborn in Legion. Cause even though we slew his body in TBC, he has an immortal demon soul and was still alive in the nether. He himself says so during the DH intro.
@@sindrimyr5351he never says his demon soul, just his immortal soul
52:00 Shivarra have actually been an option for warlocks since Legion as a Glyph that replaced the Succubus, all the Warlock demon glyphs were renamed into grimoires now, they're also account wide so you just need to buy/obtain them once and you get them on all your warlocks.
Warlocks did lose Observer as an option for the felpuppy though sadly.
Also In pandaria before WoD, you also got a tier 90lvl talent that changed your demons into empowered versions, imp to tel imp, voidealker to voidlord, felhunter to observer, succu to shivarra, felguard to wrathguard(?) ( The dual wielding 4 handed felguards) and also your Infernal to abyssal and doomguard to....? I'm afraid I don't remember the name.
@@cultistofdarkness1661the observer was even needed for the fel colour change quest as it's the only being who could read the tome.
classic had undead priest, the priests of classic had Race spell for each that could be on, undeads spell was devowering Plague
Undead only had priest because the shadow spec is very important to them, but of course, that means that holy undead had to be canon. You've pretty much proven that this is a slippery slope.
There was also that one horseman death knight in nax that could use light, so it wasn’t like it was unheard of.
Sir Zeliek was said to be a very special case though in lore, and suffered immense pain when using the light.
But this was back when NPCs were allowed to be stronger than a Random adventurer, and we weren't the Commander Champion Speaker of the Azeroth Horde Dragon Walker...
I think it would be cool for “Light based” skins. Voidwalker becomes Lightwalker for example.
That certainly would make this class/race combo less stupid
Im ready for the light succubus
@@rasmuskjaerpoulsen wouldn’t that be “Light Angel”? Hehehe
The unemployed demons of the burning legion are reduced to circus workers.
Can see the Lightforge being warlock from Nobbles point of view and from a view of the light controls and enslaves demons, so it can work in more than one aspect of the zealotry of lightforged
considering just how zealous ? the lightforged are about their ways i can def see this as a we have learned how to use fel specifically to enslave them in a way a regular race would not do it specifically for how extreme they can be about their mission
Before ask ( before shadowlands bull sh) saw lightforge dredlords so possible have lightforge demons just lightforge forcing light into demon or use fel more experiment see way convert demon more easily that idea i go for
About them bringing back Medan as you said, what if they did bring him back maybe he could be a bard?
Bard’s in DnD are jack of all trade casters capable of harnessing the powers of all magic types in the game pretty much, which would not only be a cool concept for a class but a surprising take on Medan, while simultaneously explaining how the powers of Warcraft can intermingle with each other.
So about bards. Augvokers are amazing. I'm so about support classes right now lol
And you could bring back all the Mary Sue nonsense as stories Medan the Bard just made up about himself.
It may be a controversial take but i would prefer if classes were more restricted than open to everyone... Dont kill class fantasy for f shake.
The two aren't linked. You're just afraid of change.
Thats how it is called nowdays?
Thank god no one asked you what you prefer.
Maybe think this way, in fantasy games like some famous TTRpgs as Dungeons & Dragons, warlocks are sorcerers who draws powers from powerful sources beyond the mortal world, pacts magicans that borrows power from say a powerfull beign. So say a Lightforged Draenei makes a pact with a Naruu - the Draenei been gifted with a small portion of the power the naruu posses but in return subjegate or slay evil creatures such as demon or void creatures.
Its not contraversial, OP. Its totally how it should be but blizz are just chucking away all class and faction fantasy out the window.
I'm sorry Nobbel but i always thought you were younger than you look. you sound like you're closer to 20ish to me. I love all your stories. I took 7 years away from the game and your videos helped me get caught up on Lore! Thank you!!
Fun fact Banehollow is one of the random names given to warcraft 3 dreadlord heroes just like nightsorrow for dk heroes
And he is also the dreadlord from felwood and one of the dreadlords in legion prepatch event i thought he was a random cameo untill this point appearantly he is one the dreadlords we havent killed
Quite a few of the old Warcraft 3 hero names were made into characters. Brutalis, Malice Shade, Sira Moonwarden, the list goes on.
At this point they might as well give us Night Elf paladins and Human druids.
I mean honestly, when Blizzard throws all logic out the window, no point in giving a shit anymore
It was a sad like :(
@@csanadjakab7717 Why? Because I'm right that nothing matters anymore when a super soldier forged from literal light can be/use the very magic they were forged to fight against?
@@oluftheexplorer9476 Yes, and it seems few people cares about consistency in the world of warcraft.
Legion has a Night Elf and BFA had Kul Tiran Druids. They already exist
@@csanadjakab7717 because most people don't know shit about the World of Warcraft. Most people playing today started with Legion or later and have never heard of the RTS games and novels. These are the people wanting Manari and LF Warlocks and Undead and Orc Paladins and Tauren Rogues and all that shit. Because they can't get in their head that there is established lore (that's probably older than them let's be honest here) for immersion that is way more important than childish urges like "lol I wanna play a cow rogue named Beefstab rofl rofl rofl" because let's be honest that's the core of it. People always want what they don't have doesn't matter how little sense it makes and afterwards they cry about WoW feeling unimmersive.
I really wish the Black Harvest title was still around, just hard to get. I wasn't playing when the green fire quest was introduced, so I never had the chance at it. :( Can't be helped I suppose. New warlock quest was real good though! Hoping we see more like it for other classes.
You had YEARS to get it lol
Its ok.
There are those of us who completed and quit before WOD and we were never given the title even if some of us were one the first 7 to beat it on our realm.
When they had GMs the excuse was "well you were playing this character for 3 days since you came back (BFA) so we cant confirm you actually did."
Despite never stepping foot on the timeless isles since coming back they would not budge.
Despite this our conversation went on about how the mechanics of the fight had been changed to make it more doable which was a completely different fight.
As someone who does have the title, I'd be fine with it.
The exclusivity means nothing to me. Same reason I want t3 actually added back in a way that doesn't cost millions and suffer from absolutely DOG rng.
@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL After encountering that issue in BFA I quickly thought about it and realized it's nothing. I know and my friends know I was the 7th ti get it done on my realm
I did get a ton of gold offers to play other people's accounts but I declined.
I can still remember every detail of the fight to this day.
Anyway all good .
Funny lore fact: Initiate Oman has yellow glowing eyes when he starts his warlock career and then throughout the questline gets a green fel eye and turns blind on 1. I wonder if Draenei and Lightforged Draenei go through body changes if they practice fel magic for a longer period of time, this is also how the man'ari came to be.
Did you guys notice the Oman's mount name is a reference to Geralt's horse, Roach?
Thats a neat easteregg right there
If Blizzard actually cared about lore, they could've did something cool with LF warlocks like making their spell effects light themed ("Holyfire", lightbound demon minions, etc.)
But what do I know? After all, all of that alone would most likely cost us a raid tier! 😩
*...Good*
Now they need to do sha-related colors for spells for pandaren warlocks.
Why? They are still using Fel. Shadow Priests makes more sense.
That ^ Plus, the Sha is a regional phenomenon, exclusive to Pandaria.
@@Lupinemancer87 I'd imagine that pandaren warlocks would have learned to control and master their negative emotions at some point. This is a thing that some people have been talking about here, lately. Giving race/class combinations their own spin on what elements they use for their spells and abilities.
How you remembered Sire Denathrius' name near ended me. 🤣
I love the sire denathrius lore
How did you type this comment?
He was considered a bright spot in an otherwise garbage expansion so it makes sense he remembers.
I do got to ask about the NPC mentioning wrestling Kodo in Camp Taurajo. Is that camp rebuild? I remember it was burned down by those Alliance dogs during the cataclysm.
lightforged using fel as a warlock, isn't all that contradictory when you consider that can use the void as a shadow priest, the pure opposite of the light :)
It's about relgious conviction. The Void is the power-opposite to the Light, and effectively any LF'ed using the Void would be considered heresy - We CAN use LF'ed shadow priests ONLY due to mechanics. A LF'ed using FEL MAGIC on the other side is several times worse - literally using the corrupting power that destroyed the majority of their whole species, the very power they fought against for so long.
Any LF'ed using Fel, any Draenei using Fel, any of them being Man'ari for that matter, would be an automatic kill-on-sight order from any and all authorities.
Not that WoW RP'ers would care, we are going to have LOADS of these snow-flakes about when this goes live...
@@tereninsecundus6084 By this logic, warlock should not be playable by ANY race, period. That's why this take is so laughable. Why do you think only LF and Draenei would feel that way? In the eyes of ALL races, warlocks have ALWAYS been the bad guys that nobody likes. Haven't you noticed that all the warlock NPCs have always been hidden away in basements and sewers, or otherwise off to the side by themselves? "That would be heresy!" OK, and? It's *always* been heresy regardless of the race. That's the point.
@@Sharkofspace I know all that perfectly well, and the trops that Warlocks are BUILT on is the desire for power, even darker, evil risky power, in beings perfectly 'corruptible' by such means and such interest.
That kind of desire did not avoid the Draenei, that's how 2/3 of the species turned to become daemons in the first place, and...
The remaining 1/3 created WHOLE CULTURAL ENFORCEMENT MEANS and MADE THE PURPOSE OF THEIR EXISTENCE THE DESTRUCTION OF THAT CORRUPTIVE POWER TO BEGIN WITH.
Humans, elves, Dwarves, Gnomes etc etc. all turning to Fel to get power is nothing new or anything to scoff at, their interactions with the Legion is documented after all, just like the Draenei. What sets the once-natives-of-Argus ASIDE however is the whole-scale devotion AGAINST it from that point onwards. The Lightforged even went so far as to REBUILD THEIR BODIES into weaponized forms devoted to their new, choosen power.
That's why A Lightforged Warlock is such an absolutely absurd, idiotic choice. You make up petty, worthless excuses for why all of that effort and dedication and pure hard-core principled stance that DEFINE them and their history is to be cast aside by whoever feels that inclined.
There should always be limitations based on lore and history, some things that some simply don't do or things they insist on doing. A LF'ed Paladin is 100% to be expected and natural. A Gnomish Warlock is also to be expected. A Gnomish Paladin can easily happen, nothing in lore stops that, but a LF'ed Warlock has significant and meaningful weight behind why it should not happen.
If we take that away we undermine the value of the setting even more. We water down the whole aesthetic of the setting, world, plot, all of it, and for what? One more option for the player to pick in character creator?
It's already absurd enough we would have red-skinned Man'ari PALADINS in the Alliance once that customization is released, and becoming Warlocks is simply to add a class fitting to that customization. A LF'ed Paladin is fitting. A Man'ari Warlock fits too, just not in the Alliance, as if they would ever tolerate that. A LF'ed Warlock fits just as little as a Man'ari Paladin does.
And yet we are going to get both of those absurdities in the Alliance because... well, I guess nothing matters anymore, really. What's Tyralion's opinion on Man'ari and LF'ed Warlocks in the ranks going to be?
Likely just a damn shrug, it's not like a man that became the first Human to be Lightforged, who fought the Legion for thousands of years along all these other people, and is right now the head of the Alliance, is going to have a single thing to say about his closest troops turning to Fel use or letting his sworn enemies join his ranks. Naah, no military leader has EVER been opposed to that, have they?
This is a cheap move on Blizz's side made from a cynical 'more options no matter the cost' viewpoint, and you are fine with this, TOURIST, because you have never given a fuck about the integrity of the setting to the thing you are playing. Why would you? Head empty. No thoughts worth mentioning, it seems.
@@Sharkofspace Believe it or not all that "lore" talk was a thing back when Vanilla came out. Having playable warlocks at all as part of alliance and horde instead of some kind of "burning legion faction" was considered controversial.
@@tereninsecundus6084 Hmm, I might have to read up on more lore, that's rather insightful thanks
So many undead models can equip gear and transmog, with some like northrend skeletons or vrykul zombies being able to display 2d transmog like belts, tabards and bracers. Most skeleton models are at least compatible with 3d parts of non-3d gear(3d pieces on chests, belts, bracers, legs, etc).
DKs could have so much customization to their pets, with so many more undead types to use as well, but I don't see that happening for at LEAST another couple patches. Plus I doubt you'd be able to use your own gear transmog on your undead ever.
Just as a lil note, if you kill Twinkle you get a special imp grimoire :) As a level 60 demo lock you can do if you pop all CDs
OMG. Back when I played before WotLK, I would have loved customizing my demons.
btw one of the appearances comes from the sleeping fel dog.
Banehollow was a dreadlord inside the Felwood and you kill him after Feldan.
I look forward to Void Paladins or even Fel Shadow Priests.
Why is this surprising we literally have confirmation from the Margrave in Shadowlands that confirms that it doesnt matter what energy you use for Necromancy, just changes how the end result looks. Callie being a prime example of this, this was further delved into that you can do this with all forms of magic with all types of energies that we know about. Fel Paladin? Holy Warlock? Possible
Homogenization is awful in all aspects.
Margrave said that "necromancy" just looks different depending on the magic you use, he said nothing about fel paladins being possible, or holy warlocks. A holy warlock wouldn't be a warlock anymore, but a priest, so I am not sure what you're thinking here.
But Margrave might've also said that out of pride and bigotry, not acknowledging the fact that the sort of necromancy the force of Death deals in, entails reanimating people as the Undead, whereas resurrection through the Light or Nature actually brings back not just the soul but the body entire as well, mending it from decomposition.
Unless Blizz is playing fast and loose with the definition of necromancy here, Margrave is a figure in the SL who we're probably never ever going to meet again in the story of WoW. What he says does not necessarily apply to the universe like he himself believes.
Remember how the chronicle series is written by the Titans and they are quite one-sided in their views, and might even be intentionally lying? Yeah.. something to take into account.
@@ekscalybur Which is why LF should be allowed to wield powers other than the Light :)
Just because they explain it doesn't mean it's not dumb
@@shabadabadabada5133not really their dealing is with the lights
"Hey, warlock, over here! Wanna become a warlock?"
I loved the combo of race - class in the Classic WoW. I think that making classes that are designed specifically for one race available for all classes is quite stupid. My opinion. But lore-wise some such as warlock for lightforge draenai could match the lore considering the fact that some draenai went to Sargeras side.
Exactly. it eliminates the reason to play certain races because they had the afinity to practice a certain art of war (for example nightelf druids) Imagine how the game will look like if shaman paladin and druid become available for everyone: alliance will be full of dwarves because of the OP racial and horde is already bloodelf infested... it elminiates the entirety of a RPG to have everything available for every race.
@@Kenji-117 agree with you my friend. I heard the rumor that Blizzard will make all classes available for all races. I think that will break the game. I hope it won't happen though.
The only class in WoW that was ever designed for one single race is Evoker which is the most recent class from latest expansion. No class ever before that was one race only.
@@lost1head but some should've been. Monk makes no sense for anything else than Pandaren.
Title, "NO WAY?!?!? A LIGHTFORGED WARLOCK?!?!?"
in video, "lightforged warlocks are a thing? Yeah I suppose..."
It drives me nuts how all the hunter pets and warlock pets are all the size of a dwarf! Why must my felguard be so tiny?? Warlocks are supposed to control huge badass demons, not tiny lil toys
Was done expansions ago when ppl complained same with spell and hunters weapon noises.
I swear that was the smallest pit lord I've ever seen lol
I think its important to note in order to make the customs more of a time sink they PURPOSLY wiped ALL PLAYERS customs, folks that have had looks since LEGION had them taken. The same system added for druids in BFA, NOTHING was touched, ALL CUSTOMES were kept.
You paid 100 gold total for three glyphs eight years ago. Get over it.
How is buying a grimoire on the AH to unlock the appearance account-wide a time sink?
"that ship sinked a while ago" - Nobbel87 on the death of lore in Warcraft.
Ah yes, lore is when different nations refuse to teach each other their professions despite closely interacting for years.
@@lost1head you know fully well that that's not the reason. The reason is being an established race with culture and traditions. You don't change from that just because you interact with others. The Christians had to force the Pagans to convert by burning their sacred sites even though they interacted for a long time. Draenei would never accept Manari, Draenei would exile every Warlock out of their society, the Lightforged would kill fel or void influenced beings on the spot. Undead can't use the Light without tormenting themselves. It's clear why things are like they are to everyone except people that don't know shit about the lore of Warcraft.
Nobbel trying to be whipped 👀
Remember the opposite of Light is Void, not Fel. It’s weird, certainly, but there shouldn’t be anything in those two powers to suggest they can’t coexist
people are too hung up on the man'ari draenai schism from the past, it's been over 10k years people chill tf out
Problem. Affliction is a void spec not fel.
In older lore Fel and Void were almost interchangeable, both representing "darkness" as opposed to the Light. Death is in the same boat, necromancy being almost exclusively associated with the Fel-originated Scourge up until the druidic version of Death in Battle for Azeroth, and everything about Shadowlands (that also retcons the origin of the Scourge's magic).
The 2016 Chronicle even says the Twisting Nether dimension is something like a merger of Light and Void, where it "bleeds together at the edges". However, many things about the Chronicle have already been re-retconned, so... lol
So this is all pretty new stuff, that still doesn't mesh perfectly with established lore - and 25 000 years of in-universe history of Light and Fel. So there is actually a LOT to suggest they shouldn't be able to co-exist, but it COULD be solved for the sake of their ambition of bringing more classes to more races. All that remains to see is if it's solved in a satisfactory way, and I sadly don't think it will be.
"Happy gas mask noises" Death corps of krieg
Phineas is a hidden Warhammer Skaven, yes, yes...
Night elf paladin or bust😊
I was thinking, while talking to Phineas, was art imitating life or was life imitating art?
I keep getting pyro noises with Initiate Ko.
They're getting Eredar customization next patch. Lore nerds calm your farm.
Man'ari skins are coming, reckon that lightforged might be the one bringing some back in to the fold.
Are these skins coming for lightforged draenei too?
@@mia92baer So far i've only seen them come for regular Dranei
@@MilkshakeGuruTTVand they don't even have green fire on them which implies they are cleansed.
Dude I hadn’t seen one of your videos in a long time I thought you quit and now I found you again and noticed RUclips took you off my subs
D:
@@Nobbel87 terrible but no worries I am subbed again
They could have just made and allied race of the Eredar and had warlocks that way...
To be honest, that would make even less sense than this.
Funny Skyrim east egg me thinks Nobbel.
Idk what everyone is on about. It makes perfect sense that beings infused with the light, who are so dedicated and staunch believers, who spent literally unfathomable amounts of time fighting the Legion, demons, and the forces of Fel, would finally turn to it after defeating their greatest enemy.
Bitter sarcasm aside, sticking around for wow’s story seems pointless. They’ve run out of ideas after nearly two decades and at this point you can either stick around to see it fall apart with new stuff written, or watch as the old lore is rewritten to fit whatever the writer’s whims are for the new expansion.
I get wanting to give more player freedom, but honestly I would have just said “yeah it makes zero sense and from a story point you should kinda just ignore it” over a shoehorned quest line and a terrible npc. (Side tangent, Draenei don’t have last names.)
This.
This whole thing is 100% bullshit from any in-universe point of view. Making up any excuses is idiotic, as is any attempt to rationalize the Alliance allowing Man'ari DAEMONS, the very being that PERSOANLLY ENGINEERED ALL THE SUFFERING THEY HAVE FACED, to JOIN THEM.
Holy shit I capitalize the issues here, but I still think a legion of brain-dead idiots are likely to argue in favor f this idiocy. Blizzard is blatantly out of ideas and give up any semblance of lore consistency just to shill a little more cosmetics or reason to justify another month of subs.
I mean let's be honest. Warlocks started out as the outcasts, loners, and n'er do wells on both factions. You don't really need some big lore organization or event for ANY race to have a few discontent or easily deceived individuals, even Lightforged.
trueee, lore nerds love getting mad for no reason though
@@deeznuttes9340 Sure, anyone getting annoyed at this do so for 'no reason' - I'm sure you can think of a few, but you don't give a shit, so why have an honest take on it, right?
LF'ed using the Fel is as retarded as Gray Knights in 40K lore using Chaos weapons and items to fight daemons. It's retarded on the face of it.
You forgot the part when Lightforged rejected darkness in theri Lightforging trials, and failing trials means death. This is rubbish.
@@Kbelikar Just because you succeed once doesn't mean you succeed always. Nor does it mean mean you'll forever agree with the road ahead, decisions of your superiors, be happy with how you're treated, never question your conviction, etc etc etc. If nothing else, say said Lightforged came across some Eredar who were but small children when Argus was taken over. Rather than putting them down like rabid animals, one might well want to try to use fel to keep them under control, particularly if they were lost family members. There's lots of reasons for any even them to try to fight fel with fel, as were, or fall into corruption.
@@wardenm This is pure cope, The Light can see into future aswell, the person would never become Lightforged, also I'm sure you can use The Light to subdue demons aswell and you know what else you can do? Cleanse them so they are no longer demons. No, still BS and horrible writing. No wonder numbers are still falling down.
Racial class skins with special spell effects should be next
I am Malganis!
I MADE AN OOPSIEEEEEE
Combine Undeath and Light......So Calia
I wish human models could get the scrawny model Phineas had
could do the enlave part the right way, was packed of trolls killing it b 4 people could tag it, folks had to make group and fight over the ONE mob with 40+ people around
Seeing nobbels action bars just full of spells, is kinda triggering my Anxiety imma be honest lol
but Man'ari are the same race so they also have a big reason not to trust it as the legion is their history
Weird doom guard use to have option for old wrath guard model with mouth on belt in ptr eh
Yeah but if xera told them illadin would be the one to save them that could take them into believing more in the light because technically xera wouldn't be wrong. But you think fighting demons for thousands of years would have them abhor it all.
And they should hate it for that reason alone, but Blizzard seems to have forgotten that detail.
cant drain HP on sheilded targets anymore, dose the "damage" to the shield but you no longer get HP
Lightforged Warlocks... To me, that's Blizzard just blatantly ignoring any logic in their own lore. In a Legion audio drama, Turalyon who was Lightforged couldn't even touch Valeera, who was only using Shadow at the time, not even a Void Elf yet. A very violent spark happened.
Based on that information, if a Lightforged Draenei uses any kind of shadow magic, they'd explode!
So this makes no sense! None at all. It's blizzard ignoring their own lore for lord knows what stupid reason.
If Blizz won't follow their own story then I will and I'm just gonna ignore the existence of LF 'Warlocks'. Don't care what headcanon people come up with, it's impossible.
Welcome to Blizzard still trying their best to save what I can pretty much assume is a rotting corpse at this point
Void elves can be priests. How does that make sense
@@twinmama16 It doesnt, just Priest mechanics. Shadow priests exists. Never seen anyone RPing as Void elf Light user. If so, it was High elf.
@@twinmama16 Shadow Priests, it goes without saying that they don't use the Light.
Well good thing warlocks don't use void magic. Go learn the lore first.
Those who complain about lightforged warlock also lost their shit about tauren paladins because they can't imagine paladins being anything else than silver hand churchgoers.
Mm. Even if the classic depiction of the class might not work, it should be common knowledge that theres massive gameplay/story segregation when it comes to classes. A lightforged warlock might be using the Fel very differently to an Orc warlock. Hell, they could even be using the light primarily to control and direct the fel. Just like how Tauren Paladins use the sun and druid abilities rather than the human church spells that we see in game.
The idea that literally nobody in entire species would ever use powers that are freely available is laughable. Frankly the fact that lightforged weren't fielding warlocks already is a bit of a plothole, given they must have needed to get info out of demons from time to time, and they literally had light corrupted demons with them.
@@ASpaceOstrich yeah, Tauren mages are similar. They aren't scholars but direct the forces of nature to help their tribe. The chill of the winter, the warmth of a campfire and the stars of the night sky. I hope that we will see orc paladins one day, drawing their power not from the light but their ancestors and being dressed in ritualistic bone-armor.
While Order is most commonly perceived in reality as arcane magic, on the other hand, Disorder manifests as highly destructive fel magic, a destructive and extremely addictive energy originating as a result of the mutual destruction of Light and Void as they collide on a cosmic scale in the Twisting Nether.[9] Fel is fueled by drawing life from living beings and consuming their souls, utterly destroying them in the process.[9] It requires but an insignificant sacrifice-a living fish or two, a few strands of seaweed-to fuel the magic.
From wowpedia.
Wrong and you pulled that out of your ass. Tauren Paladins were introduced in a time where Blizzard went to extra way to explain how they can be Paladins. They're Sun Druids that worshipü An'She and are more Warriors than Casters. Those who complain about LF Warlock simply know the lore and people like you don't. The fact you actually think Tauren Paladin and LF Warlock is a similar issue speaks volumes about you knowing absolutely nothing about the Warcraft universe.
Can you explain to me why so many people feel the need to voice their opinions about things they don't know anything about? Why? You just love to look like idiots? Is that it?
@@ASpaceOstrich not a plot hole at all. You should read up again what Lightforged Draenei are, what they have been doing for thousands of years and what happened to anyone using Shadow, Void or Fel. X'era neutralized their existence because of heresy. There are no LF Warlocks for the same reason there were no jewish Nazis - it's literally antithetical. Like a Fire Elemental using Water Magic.
lol Get struck one by Twinkle for FIFTEEN TIMES YOUR OWN HEALTH. Something catastrophically bad has happened to you. lolz
The only reason Lightforged are a problem in this case is because they were implemented as a race rather than as a skin specific to certain Draenei classes, same as Mag'har with regular Orcs.
If they were just class skins there would be no inconsistency. As it is, though, we've now got inconsistency on the level of a devout Christian Priest of many decades turning to Satanism after watching a guy with horns desecrate a cross.
We've even got precedence for class-specific skins, by the way. Death Knights all come with unique skin and hair color options that other classes have no access to.
Neat
I found out the hard way on a lvl 68 warlock. Twinkle one shots you
You can beat Twinkle easily enough, trust me.
Just set up your teleport/gateway, keep up Curse of Exhaustion, use Mortal Coil/Shadowfury/Fear if he gets too close for comfort, and use Burning Rush to kite him around the arena.
Probably easiest as Affliction/Destro, since you don't need to worry about pet management and have some instant/fast cast damage with very little buildup, but Demonology should be able to do it as well.
GL
I honestly don't mind and I never liked the idea that certain classes can only be played depending on your race. Maybe it's because I play DND a lot where there are no restrictions 😂 and there can always be a lore explanation because this isn't history, it's fiction lol You can make up anything and if undead can be priests, I don't see why they can't be warlocks
If it's treated like "it's just fiction" then the entire setting doesn't matter because you can just write Goku and John Cena. The restrictions are the bones and the musculature of the series, and those bones are why a bear looks obviously different than a scorpion.
The hard rules that shouldn't be broken are what separate 1 game universe from an other.
Just a super shit tier decision from Blizzard. Another L to pile up.
@@GitGudFox This is lore. Not rules. xD Huge difference there. I don't mind there being changes in lore as long as it makes sense. Yeah normally uncorrupted orcs or draenei couldn't be warlocks, but if there's a reason why they can and it's legitimate, then I don't really mind it because they gave a good explanation. Blood Elves couldn't be warriors either back then and Night Elves couldn't be mages, but that changed.
@@Yabuturtle Like I said, you might as well just add in Goku and John Cena if the lore is so non-vital. Why not just add in Gundam? Sailor Moon too. It's not against the rules.
Just a absolutely retarded logic. The lore is what gives the game its identity. It's what makes it different from other fantasy universes. The rules should be RESPECTING the lore.
There is such a huge difference between a Blood Elf becoming a Warrior and a Light Forged Draenei becoming a Warlock. That's such an incredibly stupid comparison.
@@GitGudFox What you're saying makes zero sense. Nobody is talking about crossovers with characters from completely different universes that would likely never come in contact. You're just exaggerating to the nth degree to make your point. Stories change over time, sometimes for the better or worse, but often in stories things that were established to be impossible at one point are now possible because of a certain event or thing. Stories evolve. If it made the changes and gave no explanation or a really bad or vague one, I could understand. As long as they do explain it then fine. Again people thought there would be no night elf mates but they explained why they decided that.
@@Yabuturtle "but often in stories things that were established to be impossible at one point are now possible because of a certain event or thing" yeah but no such thing happened with LF Warlocks. So it's literally you trying so hard to be right while being wrong. Night Elf mages were forbidden by Night Elven society because they were responsible for the Sundering in their eyes. Most Night Elves were ready to kill Arcane users on sight - but the Night Elves had over 10'000 years to deal with their grudges and there are quests and stories in game that explain their slow reintegration into Night Elf society. There is nothing of the sort for LF Warlocks they're literally antithetical to everything the LF stand for and they joined us in Legion so a few years ago not even a decade. There simply is no explanation to be found. Just seems like you don't know shit about the lore honestly.
until blizzard unlocks football drood their work will never be done!
im still find it irritating that they made lightforged draenei a warlock...
Being infused with Light doesn't mean you can't wield what you want. They were also already Death Knights. Also like they can wield other stuff as a mage...or like wield shadow if a priest. I think people care to much tbh lol
@@MilkshakeGuruTTV
they were better off as a skin option for the already draenei we had, tbh i rather we had the broken instead.
@@MilkshakeGuruTTVLightforged reject meddling with darkness in their lightforging ritual, anyone who fails that, dies. It doesn't make sense at all and anyone who os fine with it never cared about WoW's lore.
@@Kbelikar Remember when we were told that the light just hurts undead yet they can be priests since vanilla?
Sometimes for the sake of gameplay and fun the lore takes a step aside. Nobody wants class restrictions anymore.
@@MilkshakeGuruTTV Light hurts them. That doesnt mean they cant use it.
Rejection is rejection, alternative is death.
Removing class restrictions makes every race generic and boring copy of each other with no story behind them. But I'm mad most about not even one attempt to justify it. The questline is shit. No wonder old players keep leaving and new players don't stay.
You never cared, I don't see a reason why anyone should tatter to your horrible fanfictions and fetishes. I'm Draenei RPer and I will keep ignoring nonsensical characters, lfd locks do not exists to me until I will see satisfaying explanation. Since you don't care about an important aspect of an mmo - worldbuilding, I no longer care about your opinion. Nobody should.
I literally want only the explanation...
These limitations taken off are kinda uhmm?
Yep, stupid and lore breaking.
Why couldn't we just get redeemed Eredar for the horde? lightforged draenei are just fancier alliance draenei
Because those don’t exist ? The Eredar in general hated The Draenei but above all they hated Velen
It would fit in with the Horde fully to allow and embrace the very daemons that supposedly 'corrupted' the Orcs, so I would not be surprised if this happened. The very beings that brought the Horde into existence are not part of it. Ironic, and fitting to anyone that realizes in-universe that the Horde needs to be disbanded for any lasting peace.
And that's likely the only reasons Blizzard will never do it. It would be way to on-the-nose to do that, you can't claim to have 'shades of grey' for 'both factions' when one side's routinely pitch-black in the things they do. Adding the Man'ari to their ranks would just be adding another, deeper shade of black.
That would require introducing a new allied race instead of just a custom option. Which is way more work and on top of that they would also need to add new allied race for Alliance to keep it equal.
@@tereninsecundus6084 you know nothing about how evil the Alliance is. Alliance is literally responsible for 90% of our problems.
@@raydafuq3570 But I am ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT that ***YOU*** will elaborate for us all on how nine in ten issues on Azeroth is caused by the Alliance, and that we will get a comprehensive elaboration on how evil said Alliance is!
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Right? You will elaborate, right?
Take your L while you can, troll, and don't bother. Replying now with anything less than said comprehensive outline to prove your claims is going to dig your own grave deeper.
22:39 Powervomit
Imagine Eredar Paladins
The world did not need more warlocks...
I'm ok with this. I also believe there should have been mag'har orc paladins from day one so take that with a grain of salt.
When Lightforged get Warlocks before Undead get Paladins. Mfw Undead Paladins have actually been in the lore as well as holy priest undead
Both are stupid af.
I'm glad that they're opening up race/class combos. Most MMOs let you play whatever you want, and WoW seems outdated by comparison. And let's be real, the old lore doesn't matter anymore since the writers retcon everything every expansion anyway :P
The lore hasn’t really been retconned here. Just contradicted to what has been established.
This is even worse.
This doesn’t add anything
And no not every race should have acces to every class. It makes the races themselves less special and therefore your character less special.
It’s why a lot of times those MMO’s failed because they’re wasn’t anything special about it
Would you also be a fan of Daemon Hunters opening their ranks to anyone out there? If not, why not? What's special about Night elves and Blood elves being Illidari?
Oh right... everything to do with lore.
What what Mooncluck is a God of warlocks 😂 😂 😂
Be nice if they could do Blood Elf Druids but probably a long shot
They've said that they eventually want every race to be every class, but druid and paladin specifically will be the hardest (And therefor, probably the last class to get that treatment.
@@Sharkofspace Hardest how? Hardest to justify? Sure. Hardest to implement? No.
Please do elaborate
@@oluftheexplorer9476 Are you serious? They have to make a new bear, cat, flight, travel, and moonkin form for each race...
For paladin they have to make the summon mount for each race, and for shaman they have to make the totems.
The light that was killed by the fell was just resurrected so probably had low life...
It's asinine that we're getting playable eredar and lightforged warlocks in the Alliance before Krokul.
Dafuq is a Krokul?
@@oluftheexplorer9476
It's the Eredun word for Broken, the corrupted draenei subrace of Akama and Nobundo.
As a faction they've been around since Warcraft 3, which is about four year before the draenei we can play as were introduced.
They also make much more sense as Alliance rogues, shamans and warlocks than anything blizzard has released so far.
It's likely they were intended to be the original look of playable draenei but were scrapped in favor of their prettier brethren. I guarantee that they'd have more of a playerbase than mechagnomes, though.
I see all the fight about the lighforged wielding fel magic. Now lets see what classes lighforged can be
Paladin - OK, no worries light wielder.
Mage - arcane comes from titans, that are different that the light, and fire/frost that is elemental magic, coming from the elemental planes, but no worries here too.
Priest - light and shadow. Shadow magic in a lighforged? Jesus, nvm must be one experimenting, not the whole LF society.
Death knight - so a light empowered being can use death magic. "but it's after it died" some may say, good, clever point.
Now let's sum this up - a Lighforged Draenei can wield arcane, elemental, light, shadow, death magic. What is left? Fel and nature. Now ppl are arguing about the usage of fel magic, in 1-2 expansions noone will argue about the usage of nature magic by the same race, mark my words 😅
There is a difference between gameplay and lore. The fact you need to have this explained to you after two decades of WoW is shocking. There are LF Shadow Priests for the same reason there are Undead Holy Priests - so that your Undead or LF Priest is actually a playable Priest. ALL UD Priests are Shadow aligned in the lore with Alonsus Faol being the only exception and ALL LF Priests are Holy aligned. No exceptions because X'era would kill anything void touched that isn't Alleria in a heartbeat - she almost killed Alleria too. Fel is even more hated by the Army of the Light. All of those combinations are being introduced for solely gameplay reasons. There is zero lore supporting it.
Better than just adding them, but oof, game cares nothing for its lore, why should I?
Player characters aren't exemplars of their race. There is nothing stopping a Lightforged (who has endured eons of trauma under the Light and saw Xe'ra forcibly convert Illidan) from studying darker magics. I mean, if Xe'ra did it to Illidan, who's to say she didn't do it to other beings? Perhaps not all Lightforged went through the trials. And while the trials do allow for one to overcome certain emotions, we have seen with the Sha that these emotions can come back.
Cultures aren't monoliths. Lightforged can be warlocks and it's fine.
Except that’s bs. Since we all know that the Lightforged hate the Fel and everything it represents.
At the end of the day Illidan is still a night elf empowered by Fel and what she wanted to do was burn the Fel and replace it with the power of the Light.
@@JamailvanWestering Thats not how people work. The faction as a whole can be wholly opposed to something and individuals within it can still have their own opinions on it.
@@ASpaceOstrich yes and when that happens that person gets banned or downright executed
@@JamailvanWestering It may shock you to learn that crime exists despite being illegal. The faction may have no tolerance for something but that doesn't mean individuals within it could never end up doing it. Its really not hard to see how Fel using lightforged could be a thing, frankly its a bit of a plot hole they weren't doing it already, given Xe'ra was technically a fel using Naaru what with corrupting demons and trying to enslave Illidan.
Wrong, every single Lightforged went trough the trials, therefore this is bs, if not, it would be either dead or basic draenei. And they reject darkness in those trials.
I'm done with the lore
Oh sure they get it before the Zandalari who canonically had em that blizzard conveniently forgot
What are you talking about? Zandalari can also be warlocks now. There's also a Zandalari woman at Madam Shadow's circus who hints at why Zandalari couldnt be warlocks before.
@lost1head last time I played was during bfa and didn't keep up with updates as much so I'm fairly our of the loop. But now I know. Good.
Still waiting for the Gnome Paladin.
Before this happens we need to get human shamans since kul tirans and humans are effectively the same race and were even old allies in the 2nd and 3rd war. There were also plenty of human shamans around stormsong valley in BFA which would only make sense if humans were the next one to get a new class.
@@Kenji-117 But aren’t Kul Tirans mixed with Vrykul? I just think if Gnomes can be both Warriors and Priests, why can’t they be Paladins, which are in Theory just Priests in plate armor?
Wouldn't they completely implode? Or at the minimum totally negate their own magic? Weird.
Can we have undead paladins now please?
No. Still makes no sense at all.
@@raydafuq3570 how so? They already found a way to use the light. They did it at humans and did it before other races.
@@alyssumn3884 read up on the lore. I'm sick and tired of explaining people that Undead are antithetical to the Light just as Demons are. The Light destroys those beings. The fact that they're Undead cuts them off from the Light. There are very few exceptions and they're all big lore characters with special stories like Faol and Zeliek. And no Humans didn't use the Light before other races. Draenei did. LF Warlocks are fucking stupid as well they're literally the only race that would never become Warlocks.
@@raydafuq3570 I've read every book and comic. It causes pain but they use it. We've also never had a book fully focused on the Forsaken. Most lore is limited and or not canon. We can agree to disagree without you being a total "I know more than you" person lol
@@raydafuq3570 also humans used light before the Dreanai ever landed here. They may be older and have learned on their planet before but humans learned it long before they got here. Dreanai didn't teach humans how to use the light.
lightforged draenei warlocks are about as contradictory as undead death knights are a double down of being undead. holy fel as a concept sounds like it should be called truelight or divinechaos (shadowfrost, shadowflame, astral, holyfire)
Though the point of Forsaken death knights is they're just humans as forsaken where who decayed longer before being raised.
@@jamieenoshima5147 i know the point i was making is that the forsaken are undead, and death knights are also undead. so it is a doubling down of undead. they are undead undead. also it bugs me that death knights are supposed to be undead but have a breath bar when actual undead don't.
@@blackblade99009 the Runeblade makes a Death Knight not being Undead by itself. That's why not every single Forsaken or Scourge Ghoul is a Death Knight...
@@raydafuq3570 that completely jumps over the point I was making, yes not all undead are death knights, but all death knights are undead and as such should follow the rules already set for undead. Much the same way squares are rectangles but rectangles are not squares.
WoW is now an extremely average DnD setting run by a bad DM.
Why I am the only one that think nigh elf, draenei and lightforged draenei is bullshit?
Blizzard will always find people to justify this, but it's sad they can twist lore as they see fit without any logic.
Lfd lock doesn't make sense, they rejected meddling with darkness in their lightforging trials, anyone who fails that, dies. I'm RPer and I will ignore them. Anyone who is fine with that never cared about WoW's lore not even in slightest. (Why are you here then?) The questline didn't even tried to justify it. It's a joke.
why people still believe that warcraft lore was ever good is beyond me
It was always filled with retcons and muh "gameplay first" nonsense, even the rts games.
Sure bits and pieces were alright, but overall it is utterly nonsensical especially nowadays.
Warcraft 3 was good. But Warcraft was originally going to be a Warhammer game. You can see how they've ran out of things to copy. Even the pop culture got ridiculous. Mysterious Zandalari homeland? Just make it Wakanda bcz Carribean accent.
Tell me you know nothing about Warcraft lore without telling me.
Damn, things are just getting stooopid over there at Acti-Blizz. You're going to be able to identify as anything soon.
the humanity
@@MrCarlWaxRaces should be more than skins. You used to be able to say that Draenei were light worshippers. Being a Draenei now means nothing because of the conflicting themes.
whats with the FEl talk thats new base locks have nothing to do with the FEL
lore that makes no sence.
WoW lore, as well as everything else really, has been a joke since WotLK ended, but now it's just sad lol
Its pretty dumb imo.