I started laughing so hard once the Underworld Breach came out. That was so amazing. Guy was probably on the other side of the game saying "Ok man whatever you wanna do I'm here for it". I love the content, thanks so much Kenobi
This mills good, because it's fairly quick. Slow mill, especially rogues, is horrific to Play against, especially on arena with all the triggers and animations that take so long to play.
Rogues only plays slowly if played by an inexperienced player. I play Rogues regularly (I just enjoy tempo decks a lot) and I'm usually much faster at playing than my opponents because I anticipate what my next moves are and what I would do in response to certain moves by my opponents.
My hate for getting milled aside, I'm actually really happy that this archetype is reasonably good in Modern. Modern Burn players, if you aren't playing Mill, you're doing it wrong. :P
22:10, Vince, two things: 1) Ruin Crab is a 0/3, which means it can safely block the 2/2 Ooze. If you'd done that both turns, you'd have had four more life at the end of the game. Were you worried about land-->spikefield hazard or something? 2) If you had blocked with the crab at any point, you'd have had at least three life left, which is relevant because you had a Surgical Extraction in hand. On that last turn, you could have Surgically Extracted any of their 4-of cards in the graveyard (Twiddle, Dream Grasp, Wishclaw Talisman are all good targets). They had two in the graveyard of each of those, so surgical has a chance at finding the other two that are in the library. If so, your opponent would have 21 cards left in their library, and after drawing for the turn you could activate your Shelldock Isle to cast the Tasha's Hideous Laughter. ...I mean, you still would have died on the combat step immediately after, but you would have died with *dignity*!
You could’ve put Engineered Explosives on 3 against the prison deck, since you had a Swamp, an Island, and Mountains from Blood Moon. It would’ve blown up the Blood Moon, Trinisphere, and both Pyromancers
Hey PK - you should review how you're doing in-video card previews because it's been broken for quite a while and I'm just not sure you've noticed it in the exports. Like at 1:17, the overlay does some weird flickering nonsense and it's been happening in your videos for a while now.
Yeah. Thought I had fixed it by changing an encoder. Then it happened again here. Always happens after I switch back from making a short. Need to figure out if I'm switching back to the wrong settings.
I never had an issue with Mill, especially since I like to kinda grief my opponent with removal spells. Plus, I am building Mono Blue Modern Mill and I am looking forward to playing Blue Burn!
One of my most satisfying moments playing mill was when Mr Bad Attitude (everyone knows this guy) went out and spent $1200 to build Uro Piles to pub stomp and had to watch while all his shiny new luxury cardboard went right in the bin.
I don't understand why people hate mill. Discard is much worse as that is taking resources away from you (cards you already drew that you could then play later). Mill doesn't deny any resources, the random chance you draw a good card is not really changed by the random milling of your library.
Speaking for myself, it's the lack of interaction/counterplay. Trading resources with Liliana feels fair because she can be killed. The Rack can be Blast Zoned or Abrupt Decayed. There's always a way to reverse the damage, even against Burn or Storm, if you manage to find removal, life gain or card advantage in time you could be saved... playing against Mill feels very different. If you don't play blue you often have nothing to counteract their gameplan or get those cards back.
@@busTedOaS I mean there are a myriad of cards that shuffle the graveyard back into the library. Sounds like a way to reverse the damage to me. Not so much with Tasha mind but exiling instead of graveyarding is newer for mill.
@@Earthboundmike yeah you're right, but those cards are straightup blanks in many other matchups, so they end up being sideboard hate. Lifegain, card advantage and even graveyard hate can be found on many great cards that deserve maindeck slots.
@@busTedOaS For one, something like Bala Ged Recovery in green, reanimate in black, Sun Titan in white, Underworld Breach in red, and Snapcaster Mage in blue are all examples of cards you can run in almost any deck that will be good in most cases and are really good against mill. But that's what sideboards are for! Additionally things like hedron crab and other permanents that can be removed end up milling as much as the one off sorceries.
@@RazgrizAce67 Of course, there's a counter to everything. But apart from Snappy those cards are likely to make your deck worse overall unless they're part of your main strategy. Also, most Mill decks run mainboard graveyard hate, so chances are you don't even get to use those. I get that this is what sideboarding is for, but to me it feels extremely binary where you either get a free win via a nonexiled Emrakul or another game with no interaction except for bolting a crab, neither of which is particularly fun to me.
Is Maddening Cacophony really that much better than Glimpse The Unthinkable? I get that the added Black pip makes Glimpse less consistent to cast, but otherwise it's gonna be better because odds are you're not gonna kick Maddening Cacophony, and if you had the Mana to kick it, surely half their library wouldn't be more than casting two mill cards from your hand instead of paying the kicker. Also, I just built this deck. My spicy tech is Scheming Symmetry. Forces them to search for free Archive Trap, and gets you your best card
@@PleasantKenobi I came back to report after playing Modern Mill in paper, Glimpse is just as easy to cast, but is not better because it targets. Maddening Cacophony says each opponent and thus obviously gets around Layline of Sanctity
In multiple recent videos there have been errors (in terms of video editing, not content wise) from both you and the Prof. I am now wondering if you use the same software that had a faulty update? Are you both overworked and it slips through the cracks? Is this leading up to Phyrexians invading RUclips and you both are in the process of being compleated?
woah. what. why would anyone hate mill. it’s such a fun thing to play against. I love getting crabs that are worse than the std. it’s soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
Honestly, it depends on their age and mindset. Noobs trying to improve/ who have a bit of experience with other games can get very frustrated with mill. 12-year-olds, on the other hand, who throw everything together into one 120 card monstrosity don't even notice.
I love that the new mill toy is bad against tron. I play mill but I have a friend who's a tron player who considers it one of his worst matchups and I kinda feel bad
Vince, I love you and your content. I'd donate to your Patreon but I have no disposable income because I buy to many Magic cards. In my will you get my blinged out Maelstrom Wanderer though
As a long-time Mill deck builder (every format except Commander, including Vintage, Extended, Sealed, and Draft), I can honestly say that my least favorite archetypes to play against are discard and countermagic. You made the comment about not even getting to hold it in your hand, but if you never got to see it and think of what you would do with it, you didn't lose as much. Now having it in your hand, and then having it ripped out of it, or worse, denied when you attempted to actually use it... THOSE are the worst.
Even if I win almost every time against mill with giants in standard I still don’t like it. It is so slow and boring and you only wait until they kill themselfes.
I hope he tries to play this deck again now that he knows how it works and has a better idea of how to play it, it was both funny and painful to watch him play some games
Noobs hate mill...because veterans of standard 2022 LOVE having three copies of Tasha's Hideous Laughter annihilating their deck on turn 5. That deck is both good, and incredibly obnoxious to play against.
I admit to hating mill... and I'm a long time player (started just before Kamigawa hit) but part of that may be my ever present dislike of everything that blue does... and this particular card mechanic is super duper blue... I do worry they are going a little TOO far with Mill as of right now... many more cards that read 'mill half the opponents deck' and we may have problems... for now I think it's honestly viable for maybe the first time since the games inception without being TOO viable.
@@Earthboundmike I dunno that mill slows things down anymore. It's gotten to the point where, once it gets going, they can mill you 10-20 cards a turn. If blue had a 'burn' equivalency I'd say Mill is begining to look like it. Consider your card pool a side hp of 60... it no longer takes mill very long to start hitting that pool significantly hard.
12:18 couldn't you play the EE for 3 with red from your mountains and then the swamp and the island? That'd have been pretty good😅
Yeah, I was hoping he'd see the line to wipe out half of his opponents' permanents
Why did he say he couldn’t put it on 3 because of blood moon and trinisphere?
@@Matthew-lu4sf I think he just didn't realize the red mana from blood moon makes his EE being able to be played on 3
It was like the deck being here the perfect card and him being nah let's lose
12:15 "I can't put it on 3" while having Blue, Black and Red mana
Oh fuck! You are right. I am such a fucking dumb dumb. Still didn't notice it in the edit either! :O
4:33 if we draw a push.
What did you say in the deck tech?
There are no pushes in the 75😂
I got a good chuckle out of that
I immediately checked for this comment when he said that. Lol
I started laughing so hard once the Underworld Breach came out. That was so amazing. Guy was probably on the other side of the game saying "Ok man whatever you wanna do I'm here for it". I love the content, thanks so much Kenobi
This mills good, because it's fairly quick. Slow mill, especially rogues, is horrific to Play against, especially on arena with all the triggers and animations that take so long to play.
Rogues only plays slowly if played by an inexperienced player. I play Rogues regularly (I just enjoy tempo decks a lot) and I'm usually much faster at playing than my opponents because I anticipate what my next moves are and what I would do in response to certain moves by my opponents.
My hate for getting milled aside, I'm actually really happy that this archetype is reasonably good in Modern. Modern Burn players, if you aren't playing Mill, you're doing it wrong. :P
22:10, Vince, two things:
1) Ruin Crab is a 0/3, which means it can safely block the 2/2 Ooze. If you'd done that both turns, you'd have had four more life at the end of the game. Were you worried about land-->spikefield hazard or something?
2) If you had blocked with the crab at any point, you'd have had at least three life left, which is relevant because you had a Surgical Extraction in hand.
On that last turn, you could have Surgically Extracted any of their 4-of cards in the graveyard (Twiddle, Dream Grasp, Wishclaw Talisman are all good targets). They had two in the graveyard of each of those, so surgical has a chance at finding the other two that are in the library. If so, your opponent would have 21 cards left in their library, and after drawing for the turn you could activate your Shelldock Isle to cast the Tasha's Hideous Laughter.
...I mean, you still would have died on the combat step immediately after, but you would have died with *dignity*!
Those were some Saffron Olive level punts.
You could’ve put Engineered Explosives on 3 against the prison deck, since you had a Swamp, an Island, and Mountains from Blood Moon. It would’ve blown up the Blood Moon, Trinisphere, and both Pyromancers
Hey PK - you should review how you're doing in-video card previews because it's been broken for quite a while and I'm just not sure you've noticed it in the exports. Like at 1:17, the overlay does some weird flickering nonsense and it's been happening in your videos for a while now.
Yeah. Thought I had fixed it by changing an encoder. Then it happened again here. Always happens after I switch back from making a short. Need to figure out if I'm switching back to the wrong settings.
deck tech no push 2 minutes later im going to draw a bunch of cards because if i draw a push we can kill the copter
I am SO used to playing Push in Mill.
I am here for the gameplay videos!! Keep them coming! Love them (also rants lol)
best extripate target is Thassa's oracle, I think
Lolz that thumbnail got me good. I love it!
I am buying this Monday and have been looking forward to it for a while. Love mill
I never had an issue with Mill, especially since I like to kinda grief my opponent with removal spells. Plus, I am building Mono Blue Modern Mill and I am looking forward to playing Blue Burn!
Loving the gameplay! Keep it up!
I like the crabs, I hate the laughter
(I hate being milled in general but the dumb crabs make me chuckle
I know absolutely nothing about Modern. But it's Magic the Gathering and PleasantKenobi so I clicked on the video. I am happy I made this choice.
One of my most satisfying moments playing mill was when Mr Bad Attitude (everyone knows this guy) went out and spent $1200 to build Uro Piles to pub stomp and had to watch while all his shiny new luxury cardboard went right in the bin.
I don't understand why people hate mill. Discard is much worse as that is taking resources away from you (cards you already drew that you could then play later). Mill doesn't deny any resources, the random chance you draw a good card is not really changed by the random milling of your library.
Speaking for myself, it's the lack of interaction/counterplay. Trading resources with Liliana feels fair because she can be killed. The Rack can be Blast Zoned or Abrupt Decayed. There's always a way to reverse the damage, even against Burn or Storm, if you manage to find removal, life gain or card advantage in time you could be saved... playing against Mill feels very different. If you don't play blue you often have nothing to counteract their gameplan or get those cards back.
@@busTedOaS I mean there are a myriad of cards that shuffle the graveyard back into the library. Sounds like a way to reverse the damage to me. Not so much with Tasha mind but exiling instead of graveyarding is newer for mill.
@@Earthboundmike yeah you're right, but those cards are straightup blanks in many other matchups, so they end up being sideboard hate. Lifegain, card advantage and even graveyard hate can be found on many great cards that deserve maindeck slots.
@@busTedOaS For one, something like Bala Ged Recovery in green, reanimate in black, Sun Titan in white, Underworld Breach in red, and Snapcaster Mage in blue are all examples of cards you can run in almost any deck that will be good in most cases and are really good against mill. But that's what sideboards are for!
Additionally things like hedron crab and other permanents that can be removed end up milling as much as the one off sorceries.
@@RazgrizAce67 Of course, there's a counter to everything. But apart from Snappy those cards are likely to make your deck worse overall unless they're part of your main strategy. Also, most Mill decks run mainboard graveyard hate, so chances are you don't even get to use those. I get that this is what sideboarding is for, but to me it feels extremely binary where you either get a free win via a nonexiled Emrakul or another game with no interaction except for bolting a crab, neither of which is particularly fun to me.
Is Maddening Cacophony really that much better than Glimpse The Unthinkable? I get that the added Black pip makes Glimpse less consistent to cast, but otherwise it's gonna be better because odds are you're not gonna kick Maddening Cacophony, and if you had the Mana to kick it, surely half their library wouldn't be more than casting two mill cards from your hand instead of paying the kicker.
Also, I just built this deck. My spicy tech is Scheming Symmetry. Forces them to search for free Archive Trap, and gets you your best card
I agree.
I feel like the deck should play both to be faster, but idk what you'd cut. Maybe the fogs?
Fogs seem necessary in the current creature heavy meta game.
Drown in the loch would probably be better tbh
@@PleasantKenobi I came back to report after playing Modern Mill in paper, Glimpse is just as easy to cast, but is not better because it targets. Maddening Cacophony says each opponent and thus obviously gets around Layline of Sanctity
In multiple recent videos there have been errors (in terms of video editing, not content wise) from both you and the Prof. I am now wondering if you use the same software that had a faulty update? Are you both overworked and it slips through the cracks? Is this leading up to Phyrexians invading RUclips and you both are in the process of being compleated?
I feel like you would have won the last game with block -> surgical highest cmc card -> Tasha. Very common that it mills 20+ cards.
woah. what. why would anyone hate mill. it’s such a fun thing to play against. I love getting crabs that are worse than the std. it’s soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
mill video: smash that like button
How’s your library looking, lurrus decks? PRETTY GOOD IT DOESNT SEEM
NEXT TIME YOU INVITE C R A B
Mill seems super fun, but definitely requires Leyline of the void in your sideboard
I don't play modern but if i was on mill i'd maindeck maindeck them, cause endurance.
I enjoy mill when its bad not when its good
Tasha's hideous laughter pronunciation as an English man to another triggers me haha
But other wise fantastic content as always!
Teshar's shitty giggle is a good too.
I DIDN"T KNOW THERE WAS A BLACK FOG HOW
As a the milk daddy once said: MILL IS FOR WARRIORS
What is happening at 13:13????
It's mill all right. Deny it if you like but most players regard it as mill. So mill it is.
Honestly, it depends on their age and mindset. Noobs trying to improve/ who have a bit of experience with other games can get very frustrated with mill.
12-year-olds, on the other hand, who throw everything together into one 120 card monstrosity don't even notice.
Modern has gotten so weird over the years :)
I love that the new mill toy is bad against tron. I play mill but I have a friend who's a tron player who considers it one of his worst matchups and I kinda feel bad
Back in my day, only the noobs and scrubs PLAYED mill. funny how things change.
Mill's the best :DDDDD
Vince, I love you and your content. I'd donate to your Patreon but I have no disposable income because I buy to many Magic cards. In my will you get my blinged out Maelstrom Wanderer though
That EE could have been played on three as well. I'm cringing so hard 😂 nice try though PK
Definitely lost to this last night
As a long-time Mill deck builder (every format except Commander, including Vintage, Extended, Sealed, and Draft), I can honestly say that my least favorite archetypes to play against are discard and countermagic. You made the comment about not even getting to hold it in your hand, but if you never got to see it and think of what you would do with it, you didn't lose as much. Now having it in your hand, and then having it ripped out of it, or worse, denied when you attempted to actually use it... THOSE are the worst.
Yea, at least with cards in hand you can fix things. Most stuff isn't playable direct from grave.
I mean they are so similar and yet different. I hate discard, love mill.
Let's play some fucking magic
Noobs hate mill, everybody who hate on mill, will hate on mill. It's not just a noob thing.
Even if I win almost every time against mill with giants in standard I still don’t like it. It is so slow and boring and you only wait until they kill themselfes.
I hope he tries to play this deck again now that he knows how it works and has a better idea of how to play it, it was both funny and painful to watch him play some games
It has been too long since the last Modern Bees deck.
Mill is just blue burn
1:54
I'm dying, I tried to turn on captions and it seems to think that you're speaking in DUTCH.
PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one who sees this.
Noobs hate mill...because veterans of standard 2022 LOVE having three copies of Tasha's Hideous Laughter annihilating their deck on turn 5. That deck is both good, and incredibly obnoxious to play against.
I admit to hating mill... and I'm a long time player (started just before Kamigawa hit) but part of that may be my ever present dislike of everything that blue does... and this particular card mechanic is super duper blue... I do worry they are going a little TOO far with Mill as of right now... many more cards that read 'mill half the opponents deck' and we may have problems... for now I think it's honestly viable for maybe the first time since the games inception without being TOO viable.
it's a way to try and force the game to be slower I think - I'm not sure how that's supposed to work but it's all I got.
@@Earthboundmike I dunno that mill slows things down anymore. It's gotten to the point where, once it gets going, they can mill you 10-20 cards a turn. If blue had a 'burn' equivalency I'd say Mill is begining to look like it. Consider your card pool a side hp of 60... it no longer takes mill very long to start hitting that pool significantly hard.
Now do infect 😂
what's wrong with not liking mill? it's bullshit. oh, and I've been playing since 5th ed.
The opinion that mill is bullshit is usually petulant, and born from ignorance.
Hot take: The only people worse than people who cry about mill, are people who cry about counterspells.
ThrabenU's list is better than this imo
Wth so many slurs
Am I watching Kenobi or MagicAids?
Oh wait, too maybe misplays. It's Kenobi
Please stop with flashing cards with half-opacity. It's really annoying.
What?
mill is terrible and I've been acting for 25 years
Hey hey I’ve played magic for 6 years and I still hate mill
I wish you stopped saying the t's at the endT of any wordT you saidT in this video.
Its so annoying, otherwise love the vid ;)